WEBVTT - Part One: Julius Streicher: The Other Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, welcome to Behind the Bastards, a podcast where

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<v Speaker 1>I just played a trick on Sophie. I'm Robert Evans.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a show about the worst people in all

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<v Speaker 1>of history and uh, and to help us talk about

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<v Speaker 1>one of the worst people in all of history, one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite Did it happen, Sophie? Did it happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you catch my cunning roosts?

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<v Speaker 2>I asked you the script and it says, ha ha ha, Sophie,

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<v Speaker 2>this was a trick.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, your fake documents. It's not the real script.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was such a shitty thing to do. And that

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<v Speaker 1>laugh on the line was Jake Hanrahan, Jake you are

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing good. I'm doing any buddy, how are you

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<v Speaker 1>doing this week?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Good, I'm good. I'm good.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm moving forward with looking into dead Russians.

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<v Speaker 1>You've taken on the fun job for yourself this year

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<v Speaker 1>of looking into the mysterious accidental deaths and suicides of

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of Russian oligarchs for your hit podcast Sad Oligarch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Mine, and it's it's been really eye open and actually

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<v Speaker 4>like it's it's a lot of work, but it's very

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<v Speaker 4>I mean the coincidence is being stretched to its absolute.

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<v Speaker 3>Limit on what's happening here. Put it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's a super impressive podcast. Really happy to

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<v Speaker 1>have it on the network. You also, Jake, run an

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<v Speaker 1>outfit called Popular Front, which does both a regular podcast

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<v Speaker 1>on conflict all around the world and also has a

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<v Speaker 1>you put out a print journal. I think I'll call

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<v Speaker 1>it a journal because that sounds that sounds I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, magazine, Yeah, yeah, I'm moving forward, and documentaries as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So in other words, Jake, you are kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>good version of the bad guy that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about today, because the guy we're talking about today

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<v Speaker 1>is like the evilist example of like a dude who

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<v Speaker 1>you could technically call a journalist he ran a newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>or a journal or whatever, which was the podcast of

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<v Speaker 1>the of the nineteen thirties and forties. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>know about a fella named Julius Striker?

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, okay, okay, very good. So Striker was, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of the surface level thing that he was,

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<v Speaker 1>and sort of the most prominent thing that he was

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<v Speaker 1>was the dude who ran a newspaper in Weimar, Germany

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<v Speaker 1>called Der Sturmer. So he was like the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>published the primary anti semitic newspaper of like the pre

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi in the Nazi era. He was the only dude

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<v Speaker 1>we executed at Nuremberg who hadn't actually had a government

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<v Speaker 1>position in the Nazi Party. In other words, when they

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<v Speaker 1>killed Striker after the war, they acknowledged like, well, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy wasn't you know, he wasn't a military leader, he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't in the government. He didn't like help start a war,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't like command troops, he didn't run a death camp.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're going to hang him because the propaganda he

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<v Speaker 1>made was an integral part of the Holocaust.

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<v Speaker 4>He should have studied science and he could have been

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<v Speaker 4>sent to America.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if he known how to build a bomb.

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<v Speaker 3>He missed Piper Clip with profession, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, one of the things about Striker is that

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of did He was kind of like that

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<v Speaker 1>level of evil genius in that he figured out a

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<v Speaker 1>way to utilize the news media as a weapon in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that a lot of people today still do.

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<v Speaker 1>Like people are hurting folks right now using a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the tactics that Striker pioneered.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's also smart why did he die though?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, I mean python, the accumulated head injuries

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<v Speaker 1>that he got in street fights in the nineteen thirties

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<v Speaker 1>might have blunted him by the end. You know, some

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<v Speaker 1>of that cte, which I think is an underdiscussed part

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<v Speaker 1>of a lot of the old Nazis right. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>you can only have like so many beer bottles broken

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<v Speaker 1>over your head before you start to yeah, yeah he was,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he was. He was like just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>involved in because he was a big speaker during the

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<v Speaker 1>Weimar era, right, and so you were a big Nazi speaker,

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<v Speaker 1>you get into a shitload of bar fights. But one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that's interesting about Striker is that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is this is getting a little bit outside

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<v Speaker 1>a topic. But if you like spending the time engaging

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<v Speaker 1>with the actual historiography of the like the quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>Holy Land or the the what you know, the lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>of the person who uh has come down to us

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<v Speaker 1>as Jesus Christ, you'll find out that, like there were

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a bunch of Messianic figures like in that

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<v Speaker 1>part of the world in that period of time, people

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<v Speaker 1>claiming to be like Messiah's people claiming to be, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>holy Man. And basically the guy that like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the you get a lot of stories about in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible is like one of a number of dudes who theoretically,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not a believer in Christianity, right, if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe that guy's the son of God, theoretically there

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<v Speaker 1>were probably other dudes that like maybe could have been

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<v Speaker 1>the focus of a big religion if shit had broken

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit differently, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>John the Baptist is worshiped by as I forget the

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<v Speaker 4>name now, but there's a like specific religion in the

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<v Speaker 4>Middle East. Most of them actually don't live in the

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<v Speaker 4>Middle East now as they were persecuted, but yeah, they

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<v Speaker 4>for them, John the Baptist was there Jesus, if.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so Striker is in addition to

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<v Speaker 1>being this very influential propagandist, he's kind of that guy

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<v Speaker 1>for Hitler, as in, if a couple of things had

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<v Speaker 1>broke differently, he could have been the like fearer of

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<v Speaker 1>the fascist party that rose to power. Like, he had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of similarities, and there was a period of

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<v Speaker 1>time where they were kind of seen as rivals for

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<v Speaker 1>like the guy who's going to become the center of

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<v Speaker 1>the of the the far right movement in Bymar, Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's a really interesting dude for a number of there. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's who we're talking about this week. Julius Striker aka

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<v Speaker 1>Jules So. Julius was born February twelfth, eighteen eighty five,

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<v Speaker 1>in a little bitty country town named Fleinhausen, about fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>miles west of the town of Augsburg in Bavaria. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Bavaria is kind of like sometimes I hear people say,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the Texas of Germany. Right, it's traditionally the

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<v Speaker 1>conservative chunk of Germany. It's quite large. It's also like

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<v Speaker 1>heavily Catholic as opposed to kind of the more Protestant

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the country. And his family's Catholic. His dad

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<v Speaker 1>is the town school master in this little bitty town,

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<v Speaker 1>and his dad is, like a lot of folks in

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<v Speaker 1>Bavaria at the time, a big believer in having as

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<v Speaker 1>many babies with his wife as she is capable of surviving.

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<v Speaker 1>So Julius is his ninth kid, which is that's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot a lot of kids to have.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a hell little kids. Yeah, back Denvi was like,

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<v Speaker 3>just keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you gotta like, you gotta make him out. Three

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<v Speaker 1>of them are going to make it to fifteen, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and then then you can die at the right old

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<v Speaker 1>age of thirty eight. Yeah. So the Strikers were a conservative,

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<v Speaker 1>traditional family in a pretty conservative and traditional part of Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>Julius had been born and you could call it he

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<v Speaker 1>was basically born during Germany's kinsinera, right, like Germany is

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<v Speaker 1>like fifteen years old when he turns fifth or when

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<v Speaker 1>he's born, and his family's pretty excited to be a

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<v Speaker 1>part of this new country. So everybody's like, yeah, Germany,

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<v Speaker 1>great idea. This is only gonna only gonna end. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>his mom is kind of a homemaker at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>while his dad is again a school teacher, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>as a very young kid again a lot like Hitler.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a mama's boy. He actually calls his mother the

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<v Speaker 1>fortress of my childhood, so, you know, very much, very

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<v Speaker 1>much tied to his mom, very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Word, Okay, I'm sorry, I love my mom.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the way weird fortress.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, my sweet mother, Like no, she was the fortress,

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<v Speaker 4>like she was the verdun of my childhood.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like, my mom's my favorite person.

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<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, she's a fortress.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah she's Yeah. It's interesting. I mean, Hitler's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the same way, where like the h if you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to like folks who knew the family at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>or like the doctor who took care of her when

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<v Speaker 1>she had cancer, he was like, I've never seen anybody

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<v Speaker 1>who was like so into his mom as this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, not that it's bad to be a mama's boy,

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<v Speaker 1>but an interesting detail for me, this fellas.

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<v Speaker 3>Good to fuck your mom, like, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, yeah, there's a little bit of like that emotionally

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<v Speaker 1>going on, right, Yeah, yeah, a little odd. So in short,

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<v Speaker 1>his early life is characterized by this kind of both

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<v Speaker 1>this comforting sort of feeling of a very stable like family,

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<v Speaker 1>but also this very comforting feeling of like the weight

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<v Speaker 1>of all of this tradition you know that that exists

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<v Speaker 1>in the area he lives in. But despite this, while

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<v Speaker 1>his family's Catholic, while Bavaria's Catholic, he's never super into

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<v Speaker 1>Catholicism as a religion, but he is very culturally Catholic,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the things that he gets out of

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<v Speaker 1>his cultural Catholicism is a pretty rough attitude towards Jewish people,

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<v Speaker 1>not not not great relations between the Catholic Church and

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<v Speaker 1>Judaism in this period at time, Not that he would

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<v Speaker 1>have known any Jewish people growing up right, Julius would

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<v Speaker 1>have only occasionally even met other like Christians who had

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<v Speaker 1>spent time interacting with Jewish citizens of the Reich. There

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<v Speaker 1>were a significant amount of German Jews in like cities.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you would if you grew up in a city,

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<v Speaker 1>you certainly were going to like meet and interact with

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<v Speaker 1>with Jewish Germans. But he's out in the countryside and

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<v Speaker 1>basically everybody's you know, Catholic where he is. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you got a couple of Protestants, Like that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal running into Protestants for his folks, let alone, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>Why why did he hate Jews if he didn't annoyny.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, because he's raised on stories about them and largely

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<v Speaker 1>like really negative propaganda. So the church in his hometown,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the case with hundreds of churches across

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<v Speaker 1>Europe had stained glass reliefs of what's called the Judensao

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<v Speaker 1>j U d E N s A U. You can

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<v Speaker 1>you can look up pictures of this. If you'd like,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Judensao is a pig nursing Jewish babies, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's it's like this it's a racist kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like cartoon or whatever, but this is like literally like

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<v Speaker 1>carved into churches. There were also would have been a

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<v Speaker 1>relative regular talk about what was called the Blood Passover,

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<v Speaker 1>which is this medieval era conspiracy theory that existed up

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<v Speaker 1>until it still exists in some areas that claims that

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<v Speaker 1>like rabbis have to murder Christian children to get their

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<v Speaker 1>blood to make matza, and that's like like fucked up

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<v Speaker 1>and wild and stuff. But these were really common. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff is literally like in there's stained glass reliefs

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<v Speaker 1>of some of these stories. You know, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>thing that goes back a very long time. And some

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<v Speaker 1>of these myths about Jewish people, these like conspiracy theories

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<v Speaker 1>about rabbis and the like, would have been taught to

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<v Speaker 1>him both kind of as a part of his Catholic upbringing,

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<v Speaker 1>but also by adults who kind of these were not

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<v Speaker 1>just literal beliefs, they were also things that adults would

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<v Speaker 1>kind of embellish for kids as like a form of entertainment.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of this mix of the two things,

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<v Speaker 1>but it all contributes to this kind of general miasma

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<v Speaker 1>of bigotry that is culturally the norm. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>not just in Germany. Right, if you're in France around

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, you're kid in Belgian Scandinavia, Kidden, most

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the UK during this period of time, you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting pieces of this. You know, there's differences culturally kind

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<v Speaker 1>of depending on where you are and what your dominant

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<v Speaker 1>religion is. But like this is a big part of why,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when when the Nazis take over in France,

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<v Speaker 1>like one of the logistic problems they have is like

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<v Speaker 1>so many people handing in Jewish neighbors and relatives because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this kind of bigotry is just it's very

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is like, yeah, it's already there, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is you know, it's one of those things where

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<v Speaker 1>as much as we're talking about how much bigotry this

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<v Speaker 1>kid and everyone else in this part of rural Bavaria

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<v Speaker 1>is ingesting, this is also simultaneously a period in which

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish people are making great strides towards equality in Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>Prussia had made Jewish people's citizens for the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>albeit kind of second class citizens. In eighteen twelve as

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<v Speaker 1>a part of the Napoleonic Wars, which is only you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like sixty or so years before Strikers born seventy years

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<v Speaker 1>full civic equality had been granted in eighteen forty eight

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<v Speaker 1>in Prussia, although most states in what became Germany a

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<v Speaker 1>little after that still had some restrictions on Jewish people

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<v Speaker 1>doing things like joining the military until eighteen sixty. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, eighteen seventy is when we have the Franco

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<v Speaker 1>Prussian War, which is what gives us the birth of

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<v Speaker 1>like Germany as a traditional state. So like right before

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<v Speaker 1>the Franco Prussian War, Jews get the right to serve

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<v Speaker 1>in the German military. And then when that war ends

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<v Speaker 1>and Germany is established as an independent nation for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time, one of the things that happens when Germany

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<v Speaker 1>is born is that Jewish people are given full rights

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<v Speaker 1>as subjects of the Kaiser. So it's you've got again

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<v Speaker 1>in this period, you're both you both have this very

0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:39.000
<v Speaker 1>medieval bigotry is still super common, but also you've got

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<v Speaker 1>this very like progressive movement towards recognizing Jewish people as

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<v Speaker 1>the same as anyone else in the country. So both

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<v Speaker 1>of the stuff's happened at the same time his first

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<v Speaker 1>Julius's first direct memory of Jewish Germans came when he

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<v Speaker 1>was about five years old. His mom ordered fabric from

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<v Speaker 1>a shop owned by a Jewish shopkeeper in a town

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<v Speaker 1>near by. The fabric did not meet her expectations for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever region, and because she'd spent so much money on it,

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<v Speaker 1>she got angry. She started crying, and Julius, you know

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<v Speaker 1>who's again about five during this period, recalls, probably from

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<v Speaker 1>the adults around him, hearing that this betrayal of getting

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<v Speaker 1>bad fabric was just like a jew. And in Randall

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<v Speaker 1>Bitework's biography of Striker, he notes the village priest, in

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<v Speaker 1>his regular periods of religious instruction in the school, explained

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<v Speaker 1>how the Jews had fought Christ bitterly, finally crucifying him.

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<v Speaker 1>This was my first inkling that the nature of Jews

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<v Speaker 1>was peculiar. Striker later wrote, So this is kind of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's this again. You've got like this, your

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<v Speaker 1>preacher talking about how Jewish people are responsible for the

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<v Speaker 1>death of Christ, and your mom complaining that like they

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<v Speaker 1>screwed you out of you know, the proper cloth. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of this all encompassing thing. So in this period,

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<v Speaker 1>age fourteen is kind of the start of your adulthood.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when a young man is going to start working

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<v Speaker 1>and apprenticing to learn a trade. Julius actually finished his

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<v Speaker 1>primary school at thirteen and started attending a teacher training

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<v Speaker 1>program where he's like learning how to become a school

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<v Speaker 1>teacher as a as a thirteen year old, which is wild.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's crazy. Imagine going to school tea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you're like eight's he's thirteen. He's like, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't even imagine the things he's seen that kids are hard.

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<v Speaker 3>Fourteen telling me, shit, I'm alone anything. Yeah, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's one of like and you know, it says

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<v Speaker 1>something probably about his dad that of the nine kids

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<v Speaker 1>in the family, five of them following their dad's footsteps

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<v Speaker 1>as teachers, which is not like uncommon. Right, Like, at

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<v Speaker 1>that point in time, you're a coal miner, right, You're

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<v Speaker 1>living in somewhere in the south of England and your

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<v Speaker 1>dad's a coal miner, You're probably going to grow up

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<v Speaker 1>to be a coal miner.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of the same thing with Striker's family and

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<v Speaker 1>being a teacher. He's a he does Okay, he like

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<v Speaker 1>passes everything, but he's he's got kind of mediocre grades,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's starts working as a substitute teacher in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>oh four, having been an indifferent teaching student. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bavarian school system at this point is partly run by

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<v Speaker 1>the Catholic Church, so in villages, the local priest was

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<v Speaker 1>like the administrator of the school, like he would check

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<v Speaker 1>in to see like what the teachers doing, what they're

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<v Speaker 1>teaching kids, whether it's acceptable, and Julius, while he's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of very culturally Catholic, doesn't particularly believe and is kind

0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.000
<v Speaker 1>of oppositional defiant, right, Like he's just reflexively angry at

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who's telling him how to do things. So he

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<v Speaker 1>starts getting into a bunch of fights with the local

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<v Speaker 1>priest as he's starting his career as a teacher. Kind

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<v Speaker 1>Of a lot of this starts when he decides he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to change the starting time for Sunday school classes,

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<v Speaker 1>which is, you know, a part of the school teacher's job,

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<v Speaker 1>and the local priest gets really angry and it gets

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<v Speaker 1>him in trouble with his bosses all that stuff. So

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen oh seven, his kind of reflexive need to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of, I don't know, resist authority causes problems for

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<v Speaker 1>him again because he he has to do his year

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<v Speaker 1>of compulsory military service, which all german Men have to

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<v Speaker 1>do in this period of time. Kind of when you're

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<v Speaker 1>a young adult you have to at some point you

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<v Speaker 1>have some flexibilities to win, but you have to go

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<v Speaker 1>spend a year working as a soldier so that when

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to do a World War one they can

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<v Speaker 1>call everybody up and have them go, you know, do

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<v Speaker 1>a World War one. And he's terrible at this. Like

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<v Speaker 1>his leaders, his officers notice that he like can't be controlled. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>he winds up going to jail for several days because

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<v Speaker 1>like a guy in the lunch Tint makes fun of him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he just beats the absolute piss out of this dude.

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<v Speaker 1>So his superiors are like, this is not a guy,

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<v Speaker 1>like because he's a school teacher. They were considering, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sending him to officer school. But they're like, wow, this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't have this guy do anything, right, He's just

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<v Speaker 1>not like a reliable soldier. So nineteen oh yeah, loose

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<v Speaker 1>cannon kind of an asshole, right, He's just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a giant dick. So nineteen oh eight he goes back

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<v Speaker 1>to teaching, and then the next year he gets in

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<v Speaker 1>trouble when a priest visits his class and says something

0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.239
<v Speaker 1>that Julius disagrees with. So Striker kind of like they

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<v Speaker 1>have this big confrontation, maybe it's kind of gets close

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<v Speaker 1>to blows and he forces the priest to leave, which

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<v Speaker 1>gets him in trouble with the church again, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>like pushed out of that town and eventually like comes

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<v Speaker 1>to find a teaching position in the biggest city near him,

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<v Speaker 1>which is Nuremberg. This is a good thing for him

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<v Speaker 1>because like he doesn't really like the Catholic Church. He's

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<v Speaker 1>pissed at how much of a role they have in

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<v Speaker 1>teaching people. And in Nuremberg there's a lot of Protestants

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<v Speaker 1>and also you know, a growing number of people who

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<v Speaker 1>aren't particularly religious at all, who are like why are

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<v Speaker 1>schools run by the Catholic Church? Like this maybe shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be the way that we do things and are in

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<v Speaker 1>our new modern Germany that's supposed to have some degree

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<v Speaker 1>of pluralism in it, like why are they in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of this? And so he gets along really well with

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<v Speaker 1>his boss in Nuremberg, he starts to like find some success,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, teaching in Nuremberg. You know, it's this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of interesting place in the early nineteen hundreds, it had

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<v Speaker 1>been like majority Protestant up until the turn of the century,

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<v Speaker 1>and that a bunch of Catholics had moved in along

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<v Speaker 1>with eight thousand or so Jewish Germans. And it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things I just talked about how racist his

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<v Speaker 1>upbringing was, But at this period of time in his life,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no evidence from any of his writings at the

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<v Speaker 1>time that he had any particular negative interactions with any

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<v Speaker 1>of his fellow citizens who were Jewish, that he had

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<v Speaker 1>any particular issue. In fact, he seems to have kind

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<v Speaker 1>of been a progressive leftist early on when he moves

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<v Speaker 1>in for the time what you'd call that. When he

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<v Speaker 1>moves to Nuremberg, he sort of was interested in the

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<v Speaker 1>Social Democratic Party, but at that time the government forbade

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<v Speaker 1>state employees from being Social Democrats, so he joined the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrat Party, which was kind of like the center slightly

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<v Speaker 1>liberal option at the time, right, and the Democratic Party's

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<v Speaker 1>primary goal was to end clerical supervision in the schools, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like their big campaign sort of like issue was like,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we don't have priests running all of our schools.

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<v Speaker 1>So Striker was, you know, into this. He joins and

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<v Speaker 1>at some of these early meetings he's doing, he starts

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<v Speaker 1>like speaking up and eventually like actually giving speeches, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of one of those things he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>as a teacher. He's got some experience being up in

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<v Speaker 1>front of an audience, but the first time he gets

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<v Speaker 1>up in front of an audience at a party meeting

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<v Speaker 1>and starts like you know, teaching, kind of going on

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a rant about why he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>like priests being in charge in the schools. He's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of electrifying. Like people, all of the people running this

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<v Speaker 1>party are like, this guy's actually really good at this,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they're like, hey, Julius, what if we had you?

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<v Speaker 1>But what if we hired you in basically as like

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<v Speaker 1>a regular speaker. So you know, when we have party meetings,

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<v Speaker 1>when we're doing like vote drives and stuff to bring

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<v Speaker 1>in more folks to raise money, we can just have

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<v Speaker 1>you get up on stage and start, you know, doing

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<v Speaker 1>your thing. And so that's how he starts. That's like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the birth of this guy's political experience is

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<v Speaker 1>he's just kind of like has this natural gift. And

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<v Speaker 1>in this period, you got to remember, people don't have

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<v Speaker 1>radios really, you know, I think they exist, but not

0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:27.679
<v Speaker 1>a lot of folks really are are listening to the radio.

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<v Speaker 1>There's certainly no television. One of the primary methods of

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<v Speaker 1>entertainment is just like at night, you hear like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this party's doing a thing and they've got some guys

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<v Speaker 1>given speeches, and it's kind of like it's almost like

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<v Speaker 1>go into a comedy show or something or going to

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<v Speaker 1>a concert, right, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Just when you give you a house and listen to

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<v Speaker 4>them or yeah, pook about stuff that sounds pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's usually beer. You know, I think from what

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard, like the cost of attending, because these are

0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:56.480
<v Speaker 1>fundraisers for parties too, is usually about the cost of

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<v Speaker 1>a pint of beer, so it's not that pricey. Working

0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:02.600
<v Speaker 1>class people and afford it. Sometimes there's free food, there's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, you know, it's just like it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of how you go and spend your nights. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>big cultural thing, right, And he just kind of feels

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<v Speaker 1>as he starts giving these speeches and this is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of where you get the problematic elements he the way

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<v Speaker 1>he interprets, you know, it is like you you do

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<v Speaker 1>something you've never done before, and you have kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a knack for it, and you feel like, oh, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this is a thing I should like work more on.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of speaking for him, But instead of just

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<v Speaker 1>being like, yeah, I've got a knack for this, he

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<v Speaker 1>decides that there's this inner voice guiding him, right, Like

0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:40.800
<v Speaker 1>there's this uh yeah, almost spiritual presence inside him that

0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.320
<v Speaker 1>he feels as like teaching him how to how to

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<v Speaker 1>speak to these crowds. And you know, the other problematic

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of this is that like he just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like reflexively. One of the ways he tries to get

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<v Speaker 1>the audience on his side is by like going on

0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:59.639
<v Speaker 1>rants about Jewish people. And he does. He you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's made just like some side jokes. It's not really

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<v Speaker 1>the focus of anything, but he notices that, like the

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish people in the audience aren't laughing when he's making

0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:13.080
<v Speaker 1>racist jokes. Yeah, funny that, And you know, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the folks that he's like working with in this party

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<v Speaker 1>kind of pulls him aside after one of his speeches

0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:22.640
<v Speaker 1>and says, and this is how Striker related it. Later, Striker,

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<v Speaker 1>let me give you some advice. I work in a

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish firm. I've learned to be silent at times when

0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 1>my German heart gladly would have spoken, And often I

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<v Speaker 1>speak when I would rather be silent. The Jews are

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<v Speaker 1>few in number, but great in the economic and political

0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:37.639
<v Speaker 1>power they have achieved, and their power is dangerous. You,

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<v Speaker 1>my dear Striker, are still young and cocky, and don't

0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.800
<v Speaker 1>mince words. I'll but never forget what I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 1>The Jews have great power, and that power is dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>very dangerous. Now you might note that this was again,

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:54.800
<v Speaker 1>this is something he relates this speech, you know, decades later,

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<v Speaker 1>when he's a powerful Nazi, this almost certainly didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of how we can tell that is like, at

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<v Speaker 1>no point does anyone stop him from having a career

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<v Speaker 1>as like a speaker and a racist. You know, there

0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:09.679
<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem to be any sort of like pushback that

0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 1>he actually encounters here. So that's more interesting because that's

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:16.480
<v Speaker 1>how he chooses to like kind of frame his uh,

0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:17.520
<v Speaker 1>his upbringing. Later.

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:21.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, Germany was hardly like a place where

0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.639
<v Speaker 4>you couldn't be outspokenly anti semi back then.

0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:31.719
<v Speaker 1>The Kaiser was right, Yeah, like, yeah, I don't think

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:36.280
<v Speaker 1>nobody's getting like canceled in uh in nineteen ten Germany

0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:38.159
<v Speaker 1>for being a little bit racist, you know.

0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:40.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it was a free for all, you know.

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:43.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you're you're good, You're you're you're fine doing that. Uh.

0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:47.040
<v Speaker 1>It's like a stand up comedy in the nineteen nineties,

0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:50.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, like there's no rules, you can go be

0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Andrew Dice Clay anyway. So the next year, our boy

0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Jewels got married to a woman who had the I've

0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:05.080
<v Speaker 1>never heard this first name before, Kunigund. Yeah, no, I

0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:08.119
<v Speaker 1>haven't heard it before. Interesting name. And her dad she

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 1>comes from. He kind of marries up right, like her

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:14.439
<v Speaker 1>dad's upper middle class. He's like a business owner, whereas

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.400
<v Speaker 1>his dad's kind of like a teacher, which teachers don't

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:20.560
<v Speaker 1>make a lot of money then or now. And they,

0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:25.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, are going want to get to work making babies,

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, creating more Germans. But before they can, a

0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:32.320
<v Speaker 1>historic event occurs that would drastically increase the need for

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:37.200
<v Speaker 1>additional German babies, World War One. So that kind of

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:39.640
<v Speaker 1>gets in the way. He's kind of on the way

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 1>up in his life, right, his career as a teachers

0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:44.600
<v Speaker 1>doing good. He's just gotten married. And then, like a

0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:46.399
<v Speaker 1>lot of young men his age, this is a pretty

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:50.359
<v Speaker 1>universal experience, the war interrupts things. And this is actually

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 1>one of the areas in which he's really different from Hitler, right,

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:56.040
<v Speaker 1>because he's doing really well and then the war hits

0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:58.639
<v Speaker 1>and he's got to like disrupt his life to go

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:02.040
<v Speaker 1>fight in it. Hitler's a fucking disaster, and then World

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:04.320
<v Speaker 1>War One kind of saves him, right, It gives him

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:08.200
<v Speaker 1>something to like, uh, focus his life around. Yeah, he's

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 1>a shit painter. He's making these terrible little postcards in Munich,

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.399
<v Speaker 1>and then he gets to go, uh do something that

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 1>he has an aptitude for. But that is also like,

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, Julius, this is more of a disruption for him.

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:24.080
<v Speaker 1>But Julius also is one of these guys who finds

0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:26.800
<v Speaker 1>out he's kind of got a knack for this. He's

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.159
<v Speaker 1>one of these fellas you hear about people like this.

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:34.120
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes there's this difference between garrison soldiers and combat soldiers, right.

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 1>A garrison soldier is like a guy who can handle

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:42.919
<v Speaker 1>the politics and the sort of like the bullshit that

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 1>you have to eat when you're just like a regular

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:47.359
<v Speaker 1>soldier at peacetime on base and you've got to deal

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:49.920
<v Speaker 1>with like, you know, kind of warming your way through

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 1>the hierarchy and sort of like making shit work within

0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:57.120
<v Speaker 1>the kind of bureaucratic organization that is an army, Right,

0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:01.399
<v Speaker 1>But when it comes time to act actually like shoot

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:05.159
<v Speaker 1>people in a trench, you know, and fight. Different folks

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:07.439
<v Speaker 1>are good at that, who in a lot of cases

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be very good at just like sitting at a

0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 1>base at peacetime and dealing with the bureaucracy of the army.

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:15.400
<v Speaker 1>And Striker is one of those guys, right. He's terrible

0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 1>in peacetime as a soldier. His officers like can't get

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:21.280
<v Speaker 1>him to do anything properly, But as soon as he

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:24.119
<v Speaker 1>starts getting into gunfights, he's really good at it. And

0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 1>he loves combat. He is a frontline trooper, and he's

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 1>one of these guys who war seems to like activate

0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:36.400
<v Speaker 1>something within him. He not only like after his baptism

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:38.399
<v Speaker 1>of fire. He's not one of these guys who is

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:42.119
<v Speaker 1>considers him self traumatized by war. He's not one of

0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 1>these guys who finds the trenches to be a bad place,

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:49.000
<v Speaker 1>and in fact, he starts volunteering for more combat duty.

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 1>He's like, as soon as he gets a taste of fighting,

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I want more of this shit, Like put

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 1>me in coach, I'm ready to go. So he does

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 1>well enough that in nineteen fifteen he gets made an

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:03.440
<v Speaker 1>officer candidate. You know, in peacetime they're like, this guy

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:06.800
<v Speaker 1>cannot be given any kind of responsibility, and then at

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.159
<v Speaker 1>war they're like, actually, this guy's exactly the guy, the

0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 1>dude we need. Yeah, he has no instinct for self preservation.

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:21.160
<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen sixteen Romania declares for the Allies. Everyone's

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of expecting, you know, in World War there's this

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 1>stalemate at the trenches, and then Romania, who's kind of

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.359
<v Speaker 1>like stuck in Germany's flank if you look on a map,

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:32.479
<v Speaker 1>is like, we're going with the Allies, and there's this

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.359
<v Speaker 1>big hope on behalf of the Allies that'll it'll cause

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 1>a breakthrough, you know, in this this Steymide situation. It

0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 1>does not do that, because the Germans take this really

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 1>tiny chunk of their army and just absolutely pants the

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Roman Romanian military, like within a couple of weeks they've

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 1>conquered the country, and Striker is a part of the

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 1>German Army that gets sort of diverted from the Western

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Front to go take over Romania, which gives him his

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:01.960
<v Speaker 1>first taste of like comprehensive victory. Right, this is a

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>really good moment for the German army. Part of why

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 1>this sort of like we got stabbed in the back

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 1>lost cos myth is going to start up later is

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of these soldiers they have this victory

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>in Romania and then this victory on the Eastern Front

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>against Russia, and it doesn't feel to them like they

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:22.720
<v Speaker 1>could have possibly lost the war later, Right, we were

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>just winning everywhere? What happened? Yeah, so you know, Jake

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways are conquering Romania was signing

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 1>the advertisers who support this podcast. They're exactly yeah, it's

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>exactly the same. We are the conquering German Imperial Army

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 1>marching into Bucharest to try and take its oil fields.

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 1>But with I don't know, a food box company or something. Anyway,

0:29:54.720 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 1>here's the ads deal with it. Ah, We're back Jake.

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 1>So nineteen sixteen, he goes into Romania, has a great win,

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 1>and in general, his army career is going good. During

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 1>the war. He has one issue, which is that in

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixteen, he assaults an army medic based on some

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 1>stuff he'll do later. I think it might have been

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:24.479
<v Speaker 1>because the guy was trying to vaccinate him and he

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't want that to happen. He's going to publish a

0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 1>bunch of vaccine related conspiracy theories later when he gets

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 1>his newspaper. We don't know entirely why he like fights

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 1>with this medic, but I think there's a decent chance

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 1>it's related to that. It's just kind of the only

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 1>recurrent conflict that he has with medical personnel in his life.

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 1>But other than that, his service record is really good.

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:49.640
<v Speaker 1>By nineteen eighteen, he's back in France. You know, there's

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:52.240
<v Speaker 1>one last attempt by the Germans to break through the

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 1>enemy lines doesn't quite work out for him. Kaiser abdicates,

0:30:56.440 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 1>the German militaries demobilized. World War One is over. This

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>should have been a good time, because you know, it

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 1>seemed like a bad thing. But as a guy who

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 1>loved the war, Striker does not take this really well.

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 1>And again his perspective is we won every battle. We

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 1>were in you know, when when they declare the armistice,

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm still standing on French soil. How could we lose everything?

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 1>How could that be the And you know a lot

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 1>of German soldiers are going to feel yeah, way, yeah, yeah.

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of what led well set the groundwork for

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 3>World War Two, right, yeah.

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, Jake, this is something I think

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 1>about a lot, like the like my gut, just as

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 1>a person who doesn't like to see people die in

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 1>war is like, well, yeah.

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 3>You're so soft.

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Yeah, get more like Striker, Get more like Striker. Well,

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, you know, if someone had come to

0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 1>me in World War One had been like you should

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>we do like an armistice with the Germans, yeah, I'd

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 1>be like, yeah, whatever, it stops the killing. This is

0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 1>fucking awful. But because of that, the like there's the

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 1>and because like Ludendorf and Hindenberg, who are the generals

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 1>in charge, are able to like they don't want to admit,

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 1>yeah we lost the British and the French and the

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Americans and you know and whatnot. They fought us to

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 1>the point where like we were about to break and

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 1>we had this we had to give up, otherwise the

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>entire army would have shattered, you know, which would have

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>been a calamity for us. They can't admit that, so

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 1>they're like, no, the government stabbed us in the back.

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>We were about to win and then they took it

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 1>from us. And so does that mean like the ethical

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 1>thing would have been like no, no, no, we're not

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>negotiating this. We're gonna fight you guys until you break

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 1>and surrender unconditionally, like, which is like what that is

0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the that is like a moral question that the leaders

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 1>of the Allied countries take with them into World War Two,

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 1>which is why part of why it's such a fucking

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 1>ugly fight and so much like there's this understanding then

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 1>that like, well now maybe we have to just break

0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 1>the fuckers. I don't know, like what moral lesson to

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 1>take out of that.

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just like total brutality.

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, is that like the justified thing to do?

0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Like morally does it save more lives in the long run?

0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:15.479
<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna guess most people are broadly familiar with,

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 1>like you know what goes down next? In Germany, there's

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 1>this immediate wave of like failed rebellions and pushes on

0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the left and right. There's like a number of points

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 1>in which like some right wing or some left wing

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 1>group will try to take over a city or a

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 1>whole region of the country. And you know when this happens,

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>when this is like communists or other kinds of leftists

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 1>to try to like overthrow and establish their own sort

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>of governments and parts of Germany, the kind of forming

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 1>state winds up relying a lot on sort of ad

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>hoc groups of right wing military veterans who form militia

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:56.160
<v Speaker 1>units and go in and just start killing people, right Like,

0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>That's that's how some of these things get put down,

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 1>And so you start to get this sort of culture

0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 1>of we've got these right wing veterans groups, you know,

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>with guns, who are here to like fight the left.

0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:11.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, it really starts as soon as the war ends.

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 1>And obviously alongside this you've got the economy collapsing, prices

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:20.239
<v Speaker 1>for everything skyrocketing, and this is all put on the

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 1>new democratic government of vymar who has to spend several

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:27.760
<v Speaker 1>years trying to wrestle Germany into being a vaguely functional state.

0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:32.239
<v Speaker 1>It's a hard gig being a democratic politician in vymar In,

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 1>like nineteen nineteen one of the worst jobs anybody could

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:39.799
<v Speaker 1>ever get, right, like just trying to trying to make

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Germany work in this period of time. It's a real bummer.

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:46.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a really interesting period though you don't hear

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 4>oh yeah, enough about like the run up, do you

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 4>know what I mean? And it's really interesting time. I

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 4>mean yeah, like very very early doors chaos.

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you have to like have some respect for

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the kind of moral courage, and a lot of them

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 1>get assassinated. Of these early Weimar politicians who are like

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 1>trying to make a because the Czar or not Czar,

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 1>the Kaiser as soon as you know, he loses flees,

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 1>he winds up and fucking Belgium, I think, and these

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>generals basically start pretending like, oh, we didn't lose the war.

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 1>It was like and you're you as some like you know,

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 1>elected Social Democratic leader because the Socdems sort of like

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:28.359
<v Speaker 1>are the first big party in power in Viimar. You're

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 1>like trying to deal with the consequences of all of

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>these like shitty Kaiser dudes, like the Kaiser and his

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 1>generals who had just kind of ruined the country and

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:44.320
<v Speaker 1>then bounced. So I don't know, yeah, it's there's something

0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 1>honorable about trying to do that, but it doesn't work,

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 1>you know. Uh, that is the broad story. So Julius

0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 1>at this point he had been kind of maybe a

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:58.759
<v Speaker 1>little bit on the liberal side of things. You know,

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 1>he was certainly not a leftists, but kind of like

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 1>flirting with some center left ideas before World War One.

0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 1>But by the time he gets back from the front,

0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 1>he is very much into right wing politics.

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 1>A lot of that is there's this this feeling of

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 1>like the brotherhood of the trenches, and the right is

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 1>really successful at sort of talking to these veterans, at

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>telling them that like they were betrayed and they were

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 1>betrayed by these social democrats. And so, you know, he

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 1>takes up work as a teacher again, but he also

0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 1>joins a local anti Semitic political organization. It's kind of

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 1>like a militia that is blaming a lot of Germany's

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>post war problems on the Jews. That's called the Protective

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 1>and Defensive Society. It sounds better in German. Yeah, tons

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:53.640
<v Speaker 1>of every town's got a bunch of them. Now, Striker

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 1>is still kind of you would say, probably like naive

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 1>enough that he anti Semitic politics are very new to him,

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 1>so he's initially kind of just a spectator. He'll show

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 1>up at these speeches or at these political events. He'll

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 1>listen to speeches by people, and like the folks who

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 1>are speaking at events for the Protective and Defensive Society

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:18.000
<v Speaker 1>and other kind of anti Semitic political organizations are often

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 1>quoting from and recommending very specific books right and to Striker,

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:25.759
<v Speaker 1>the most influential of these books, the ones that he

0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:28.879
<v Speaker 1>like buys a copy of and reads and becomes enthralled by,

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:32.879
<v Speaker 1>is called Handbook of the Jewish Question, and it's by

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 1>a fellow named Theodore Fritch. Now Old Theo was a journalist.

0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:41.520
<v Speaker 1>A lot of the early German anti Semites are journalists, right,

0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:44.439
<v Speaker 1>who in the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds work

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 1>for newspapers or published books that are like quote unquote investigations,

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:52.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, into various racist conspiracies. An Old Theo he's

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of active at the end of the eighteen hundreds,

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:58.799
<v Speaker 1>you know. And he's basically he's like one generation or

0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:01.520
<v Speaker 1>so earlier than Julie, and he's Prussian. He'd been a

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:04.840
<v Speaker 1>farmer's kid in the nineteenth century. He's one of these guys,

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 1>like he has seven brothers and sisters, and four of

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 1>them die before they get to adulthood. He winds up

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 1>working in a machine shop as kind of Germany transitions

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 1>to an industrial economy, and in his late twenties he

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:18.840
<v Speaker 1>saved up enough money that he like he founds a

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:23.279
<v Speaker 1>publishing firm and they start by making technical manuals, and

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:25.719
<v Speaker 1>then as soon as they make enough money selling like

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:29.799
<v Speaker 1>technical manuals to companies, he starts putting out a newsletter

0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:34.319
<v Speaker 1>called Anti Semitic Correspondence. Some great titles in this episode,

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:45.359
<v Speaker 1>just like racism Letters again, Yeah, quite a title, right there, Frinch, Yeah, yeah,

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 1>but they were very much of the show not tell

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of Arabat then.

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:55.839
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that was more subtle than that, yeah, right, like, yes,

0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.320
<v Speaker 5>they hadn't figured out how to like put a shine

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:00.359
<v Speaker 5>on it yet, right.

0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:04.000
<v Speaker 1>But Fritch is you know, he's a groundbreaking racist, right,

0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 1>He's with his first generation of like political anti Semites.

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:11.920
<v Speaker 1>He loves Friedrich Nietzsche and he actually, once he starts

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 1>putting out his Anti Semitic Correspondence magazine, he sends Nietzsche

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 1>copies every time he puts out a new edition, and

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Nietzsche not a fan of this shit.

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Y Like, for for.

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.959
<v Speaker 1>Months he's just like these letters, like what the fuck?

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Why am I getting this? Did I sign up for

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 1>this when I was drunk or some ship, Like, I'm

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:33.520
<v Speaker 1>not paying for this.

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:38.640
<v Speaker 4>SAMI has been like misunderstood by basically everyone ever mine,

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:41.320
<v Speaker 4>Like every group can just be like, yeah, it's ycha.

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 3>No.

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Like the shortcut to knowing someone is not talking properly

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 1>about Nietzsche is them saying like I find Nietzsche really inspiring.

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, they're doing it wrong. I hope that.

0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:57.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And it's it's very funny because Nietzsche eventually gets

0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:00.880
<v Speaker 1>so frustrated at getting all of these fucking letters that

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:04.600
<v Speaker 1>he responds and he he kind of being Friedrich Nietzsche.

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:06.480
<v Speaker 1>He responds in this kind of caddy way where he's like,

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:08.960
<v Speaker 1>thank you for giving me a glance at the muddle

0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:11.720
<v Speaker 1>of principles that lie at the heart of this strange movement.

0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Please never send me another fucking letter. I will hurt

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:17.920
<v Speaker 1>you if you do, like like threatens him basically, like

0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:21.120
<v Speaker 1>it's nice to see how weird you people are. Stop

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:25.480
<v Speaker 1>fucking talking to me too. Yeah, yeah, that's the right,

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Like he's pretty unequivocal, like fucking stay away from me.

0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he actually, like he wrote quite a lot.

0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:34.400
<v Speaker 4>I think maybe in I forget what maybe the early

0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 4>part before he wrote like quite extensively on like really

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.600
<v Speaker 4>being against anti Semitism. It's I remember reading about it,

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 4>and a lot of people will have to be like, well,

0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:45.680
<v Speaker 4>Hitler liked him. It's like, yeah, Hitler like dogs, dogs

0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 4>are still good. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's it's kind of like, I don't know,

0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:52.560
<v Speaker 1>like we could. I think the Nietzsche of the modern

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.279
<v Speaker 1>day is like, let let let's say Warhammer, right. A

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:57.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of Nazis into it, a lot of the people

0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:03.040
<v Speaker 1>who write exactly but it's so cool. Yeah, but it's fine. Yeah.

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:06.320
<v Speaker 1>So Fritch wrote Handbook of the Jewish Question, this book

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 1>that our buddy Julius is going to fall in love

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 1>with in eighteen ninety three, which is, you know, if

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about the Holocaust, you hear the term the

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Jewish Question an awful lot. That word is in use

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:21.760
<v Speaker 1>way before the Nazis come to power, right, and Handbook

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 1>of the Jewish Question is you would call it like

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:27.880
<v Speaker 1>a groundbreaking work of racism for its era. Fritch is

0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:29.680
<v Speaker 1>going to say a lot of things in this book

0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:33.400
<v Speaker 1>that become the cornerstone of Nazi politics. He demands a

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:38.120
<v Speaker 1>return to what he calls traditional peasant values. He rails

0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:41.600
<v Speaker 1>against urbanization. He talks a lot about the superiority of

0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the Aryan race. And you know, he also one of

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:48.319
<v Speaker 1>the things that's interesting about the handbook, there's ways in

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:51.520
<v Speaker 1>which it kind of reminds me of like certain things

0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:54.719
<v Speaker 1>on the Internet today, and that it's a it's a

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:57.320
<v Speaker 1>living document. So he doesn't just put out this book

0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:00.399
<v Speaker 1>and like this is the book. It's done. Every like year,

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:03.600
<v Speaker 1>he'll add more to it. He'll update it when things happen,

0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 1>right like as shit happens in the world that he

0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:08.279
<v Speaker 1>thinks plays into these conspiracies, He'll do an update of

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:10.120
<v Speaker 1>the book. I want to quote from a write up

0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 1>by Martin Kitchen in the Journal of Anti Semitism Studies

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:17.359
<v Speaker 1>describing this book. At the time, sundry financial crises from

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 1>the Berlin Stock Exchange collapse in eighteen seventy three to

0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the Great Depression were blamed on Jewish manipulation. Germany's defeat

0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:26.760
<v Speaker 1>in the First World War and the subsequent peace agreements

0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:29.560
<v Speaker 1>were seen as the result of a Franco Jewish conspiracy.

0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Germany is presented as the sole stronghold against a world

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Jewish conspiracy, thereby combining radical anti Semitism with a virulent nationalism, which,

0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:40.759
<v Speaker 1>for all its threadbare scholarship and muddled thinking, was to

0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:46.560
<v Speaker 1>provide the foundations of national socialist racial studies. So that's good.

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:51.359
<v Speaker 4>It's interesting to all that, like all of this shit

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:55.359
<v Speaker 4>was not just I mean, obviously, but it wasn't just

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 4>this brainchild of Hitler and his goons. Now, it was like, yeah,

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:02.440
<v Speaker 4>very prevalent from very many different groups.

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, And that's how you get as far

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:09.839
<v Speaker 1>as we can tell, Hitler's radicalization, like him getting too

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 1>because he becomes keyed into anti Semitic politics before he

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 1>gets like kind of explicitly into like actually like right

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:23.000
<v Speaker 1>wing political stuff. He's brought into that through racism. And

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:27.320
<v Speaker 1>probably the thing that pills him is these basically pieces

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:31.319
<v Speaker 1>of books like like Handbook on the Jewish Question, get

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 1>like mimiographed and hand it out on the street, as

0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:38.400
<v Speaker 1>like zines in pre World War One, you know, Germany,

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:41.400
<v Speaker 1>it really is a lot like like modern zine culture

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:43.600
<v Speaker 1>right where you just kind of have. You've got some

0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:48.280
<v Speaker 1>like weirdos who get really into you know, racism or whatever.

0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:51.200
<v Speaker 1>It's not always racism, sometimes it's cool shit, but they

0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 1>like they'll take clips from books that they like and

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:56.399
<v Speaker 1>they want other people to read, and they'll they'll sort

0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:59.359
<v Speaker 1>of like copy and paste that sort of stuff into

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:02.920
<v Speaker 1>pamphlets handed out on the street. And Hitler, who's basically

0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 1>he's a hobo right for a decent chunk of time

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:07.320
<v Speaker 1>before World War One, he's like homeless on the streets

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:10.120
<v Speaker 1>of Vienna. He'll just pick up these pamphlets that people

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:12.320
<v Speaker 1>like toss out when they're out like drinking or stuff.

0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:14.839
<v Speaker 1>You know, they'll hand him out at meetings and then

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 1>he'll like pick them up in the trash, and because

0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:19.480
<v Speaker 1>he's like a doesn't have a whole lot else to do,

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:21.440
<v Speaker 1>he'll like read them, and then when he falls in

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:23.719
<v Speaker 1>love with them, he'll like read them out to folks

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:26.319
<v Speaker 1>at these homeless hostels that he's staying at a bunch

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:26.760
<v Speaker 1>of times.

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:30.719
<v Speaker 4>Well imagine you know, you're homeless and you sat in

0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:34.839
<v Speaker 4>the shelter there with your pennies and Hitler comes in like.

0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, I have enough problems without a Hitler.

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 4>Right, Like, the reason you're here it's not because of this,

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:46.839
<v Speaker 4>it's because oh my god, yeah it doesn't sound good.

0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:49.960
<v Speaker 4>But I mean my point was that, like sometimes you

0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 4>see people be like, oh well it was it was

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 4>just Hitler's charisma that brought people through. I mean, I

0:44:55.640 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 4>think Hiller's charisma really helped push people toency. But these

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:02.400
<v Speaker 4>ideas were very much there, right.

0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's that's one of the things where like,

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:07.920
<v Speaker 1>obviously the fact that Hitler is Hitler, that he has

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 1>the skills and the talents that he has as a

0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:15.680
<v Speaker 1>plays a role in everything. But like Germany, yeah, exactly,

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 1>and Striker is kind of in the same position Hitler

0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.320
<v Speaker 1>is at this point where like they are both nineteen nineteen,

0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty, starting to give kind of like speeches, get

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 1>into politics, and they're both like showing an aptitude for

0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 1>riling people up, for building movements kind of around themselves.

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:36.680
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I'm getting ahead of myself. So Julius falls

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:39.400
<v Speaker 1>in love with this racist book and it's one of

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:41.560
<v Speaker 1>this This seems to have been the book that kind

0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:43.560
<v Speaker 1>of from this point on, he's not just sort of

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:46.839
<v Speaker 1>a casual normal anti Semite. He's like a dedicated one

0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:50.759
<v Speaker 1>political anti Semitism becomes sort of the center of his worldview.

0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:54.760
<v Speaker 1>So now that he's been sort of pilled, you might say,

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:57.920
<v Speaker 1>he returns to public speaking. He starts showing up first.

0:45:57.920 --> 0:46:00.840
<v Speaker 1>And this is what's interesting to me. He doesn't start

0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:03.800
<v Speaker 1>this new stage of his speaking career by like finding

0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:06.760
<v Speaker 1>a party and then going to like speak at their rallies,

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:08.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of working his way up from inside a political

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 1>party as a speaker. He starts showing up at left

0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:15.440
<v Speaker 1>wing political rallies and heckling the speakers there and getting

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>into arguments with them in public. Right, And this is

0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:21.480
<v Speaker 1>what kind of makes him famous in Nuremberg, Right, Yeah,

0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:24.040
<v Speaker 1>this is not an unfamiliar tactic today. Right, Like he's

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:27.400
<v Speaker 1>a troll, you know, he's very consciously using that as

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:30.000
<v Speaker 1>a tactic in order to build a reputation for himself.

0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Julius is not only a fun speaker, but he's going

0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:35.160
<v Speaker 1>to like show up wherever, you know, these different leftist

0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:38.200
<v Speaker 1>parties are speaking, and he's going to like hassle their speakers,

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:40.319
<v Speaker 1>he's going to argue with them. So maybe you show

0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 1>up just to watch Julius like make fun of this guy,

0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:45.440
<v Speaker 1>just to watch him get into scraps. You know, a

0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:48.080
<v Speaker 1>lot of times he'll start, it'll start as an argument

0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:49.520
<v Speaker 1>between him and this guy, and then there will be

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:50.920
<v Speaker 1>a big because these are at bars, there will be

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:52.960
<v Speaker 1>a big bar brawl, right, so it's like kind of

0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 1>a fun night. Hey, let's you know, Julius is going

0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:57.239
<v Speaker 1>to be heckling this guy down at the whatever bar.

0:46:57.600 --> 0:47:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Let's all show up, you know, we'll we'll cheer I'm on,

0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:02.040
<v Speaker 1>and then we'll get into a scrap with the social

0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Democrats or the communists or whatever.

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:05.120
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:07.480
<v Speaker 4>That's kind of well, for every group that does that,

0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:11.040
<v Speaker 4>there's going to be a couple that go, actually, this

0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:12.720
<v Speaker 4>guy's onto something exactly.

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:14.359
<v Speaker 3>Shit.

0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah too, because like again, people, this is not

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:21.560
<v Speaker 1>a period in which things have solidified. There's a lot

0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:24.800
<v Speaker 1>of folks who go from communists to fascist or fascist

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:28.760
<v Speaker 1>to communist during this sort of period of time because

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.359
<v Speaker 1>they all kind of feel, well, what we're doing, like

0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:34.000
<v Speaker 1>the government isn't working right, but I don't know what,

0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:36.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm on board with I can be convinced.

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:39.320
<v Speaker 1>And you know, Julius by being this really kind of

0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:42.360
<v Speaker 1>charismatic guy who's just sort of like making fun of

0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:46.200
<v Speaker 1>speakers who are less apt than he is at commanding

0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 1>a room. He's building a following for himself, and he's

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:54.640
<v Speaker 1>building support for his kind of politics in Nuremberg, so yeah,

0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:57.759
<v Speaker 1>that's cool. He becomes basically a local celebrity doing this,

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:00.560
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, you know, he's a trigger the Libs

0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:02.919
<v Speaker 1>kind of guy. That's how he starts out. Starts out,

0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:06.600
<v Speaker 1>and he decides at a certain point once he's sort

0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:09.239
<v Speaker 1>of become this guy that people people will show up

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:13.399
<v Speaker 1>at other political party events just to see Julius. When

0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:17.000
<v Speaker 1>he feels like he's got enough of a following, he announces,

0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 1>he puts out like flyers and stuff that he's going

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:22.319
<v Speaker 1>to be giving a dedicated speech himself. And at this

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 1>speech that he does thousands, by the way, two to

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:27.759
<v Speaker 1>four thousand something like that, people show up just to

0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:31.800
<v Speaker 1>see him give this speech, he announces that he's become

0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:36.840
<v Speaker 1>a converted political anti Semite. This causes a bunch of

0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:39.840
<v Speaker 1>right wing political parties to start vuying for his membership

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:42.120
<v Speaker 1>because he's a free agent. Right This is kind of

0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 1>like you've I don't know, I don't know about baseball

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:46.719
<v Speaker 1>to draw a baseball comparison here, but you can you

0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:49.880
<v Speaker 1>can do it at home. He's this like he's really good.

0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:52.400
<v Speaker 1>He's and everybody is kind of like, if we can

0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:54.040
<v Speaker 1>get Julius, you know, that might be the thing that

0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:56.680
<v Speaker 1>makes our party go national. You know, we get this

0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:58.919
<v Speaker 1>guy on our team. Yeah, he's the live wire. Yeah

0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:05.560
<v Speaker 1>he's still he's the straw that stirs the drink. Yeah exactly. Yeah,

0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:07.920
<v Speaker 1>he's the he's the he's the fucking messy of racism.

0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:09.120
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 1>So, of all these parties kind of vying for his membership,

0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:17.359
<v Speaker 1>the one he picks is the German Socialist Party, which,

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:21.320
<v Speaker 1>despite its name, the German Socialist Party is a conservative party,

0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and they're they're into what are called Volcish, which is

0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:29.120
<v Speaker 1>like folk yeah, values, right, and most the DSP is

0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:32.200
<v Speaker 1>not anti Semitism is not a core plank of the

0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:36.480
<v Speaker 1>German Socialist Party, but most members are anti Semitic, and

0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:38.800
<v Speaker 1>so while the party doesn't have a platform on the

0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Jewish question, Striker feels like, well, I can get that added, right,

0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:43.520
<v Speaker 1>this is a place where I can grow. I can

0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:46.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of remake this party in my image in some ways.

0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:49.360
<v Speaker 1>So he helps them run a cast of candidates in

0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:52.080
<v Speaker 1>that year's election. They don't do very well. They get

0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:56.040
<v Speaker 1>basically zero votes nationally and only like one percent to Nuremberg.

0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:59.719
<v Speaker 1>But Striker kind of crucially doesn't give up. He's sort

0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:03.440
<v Speaker 1>of analyzes accurately what the weakness of the DSP is

0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:05.279
<v Speaker 1>and he decides that it's that they do not have

0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:09.040
<v Speaker 1>a dedicated propaganda arm. And in the Vimar era, the

0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:11.880
<v Speaker 1>only way to make a propaganda arm is to establish

0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:14.799
<v Speaker 1>a newspaper. And I want to talk a little bit

0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:18.080
<v Speaker 1>about what a newspaper is in this period of time,

0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:20.640
<v Speaker 1>because today you hear a newspaper, you think like, oh,

0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:24.080
<v Speaker 1>it's a publication that tells you either locally or nationally

0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:27.200
<v Speaker 1>or internationally the news, like what's going on, and you

0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>know you're gonna get some columns on culture and stuff.

0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:34.520
<v Speaker 1>When we think about newspapers in vymar Germany, it's probably

0:50:34.719 --> 0:50:38.640
<v Speaker 1>better to see them as like social media, right, Like

0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:42.200
<v Speaker 1>a newspaper is more like for a political party especially,

0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:45.600
<v Speaker 1>it's more like how today if you're running a political

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:49.440
<v Speaker 1>party or political advocacy group, your your organization is going

0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:51.200
<v Speaker 1>to have They're going to have a YouTube channel maybe

0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:53.239
<v Speaker 1>where they have some creators put out videos. They're going

0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:57.240
<v Speaker 1>to have like a Twitter account. That is kind of

0:50:57.280 --> 0:51:00.520
<v Speaker 1>how newspapers work in Vimar and I you know, one

0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:02.080
<v Speaker 1>of the things that kind of highlights this is that

0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:06.040
<v Speaker 1>when Julius gets more famous, multiple left wing groups will

0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:09.880
<v Speaker 1>start newspapers. Just then the whole purpose of the newspaper

0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:13.560
<v Speaker 1>is updating folks on Julius Striker and attacking him right,

0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:15.080
<v Speaker 1>sort of in the same way that like you'll have

0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:18.000
<v Speaker 1>a Twitter account that's just like tracking what this one

0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:20.080
<v Speaker 1>group of right wingers are doing, or this like one

0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:23.279
<v Speaker 1>political folk that people don't like, you know, it'll be

0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:26.200
<v Speaker 1>dedicated to them. You know, You've got a whole account

0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:29.239
<v Speaker 1>that's just people covering Trump's legal you know, woes on

0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Twitter or whatever. That's the time to how newspapers work.

0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:35.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's actually a really good way of putting it.

0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:39.400
<v Speaker 4>One I've never really thought about before. I read a

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:43.160
<v Speaker 4>while ago like history of like newspaper news media, and yeah,

0:51:43.160 --> 0:51:46.960
<v Speaker 4>it was it's ironic now that like everyone has a

0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:50.320
<v Speaker 4>you know, slight political leaning or a strong political leaning

0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:53.359
<v Speaker 4>or whatever. It's ironic that like, yeah, it's kind of

0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:57.279
<v Speaker 4>not really changed in that respect. Yeah, what I'm saying,

0:51:57.480 --> 0:52:00.480
<v Speaker 4>obviously it's different now, but it started like that and

0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:03.680
<v Speaker 4>it's almost come full Sirkuena with all this chaos that

0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 4>we're seeing.

0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's fascinating in that huh. Yeah, and there

0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:10.000
<v Speaker 1>are you know. I'm actually just going to quote from

0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:12.040
<v Speaker 1>a write up by the US Holocaust Museum on the

0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:16.080
<v Speaker 1>state of the news media in Weimar, Germany. Over forty

0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:19.480
<v Speaker 1>seven hundred daily and weekly newspapers were published annually in Germany,

0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:22.560
<v Speaker 1>more newspapers than in any other industrialized nation, with a

0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:25.640
<v Speaker 1>total circulation of twenty five million. Although Berlin was the

0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:29.960
<v Speaker 1>press capital, small town presses dominated newspapers circulation. Eighty one

0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:33.719
<v Speaker 1>percent of all German newspapers are locally owned. And when

0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:36.319
<v Speaker 1>we talk about these these local newspapers, that's what we're

0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:38.640
<v Speaker 1>talking about is shit like these little papers where it's

0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:40.640
<v Speaker 1>like I'm going to make a newspaper I don't like

0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:42.799
<v Speaker 1>this guy. I'm going to make a newspaper dedicated to

0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:45.160
<v Speaker 1>this guy I hate, you know, Like it's that kind

0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:47.840
<v Speaker 1>of shit a lot of the time. So basically, while

0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the most famous papers are newspapers that are like you know,

0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:55.600
<v Speaker 1>traditional newspapers or magazines or whatever, the majority of papers,

0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:57.919
<v Speaker 1>by number are just like some weirdo with a very

0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:02.000
<v Speaker 1>specific acts to grind in some cases, this again means like, yeah,

0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Striker's going to do this right, Like this is what

0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:08.920
<v Speaker 1>he decides his party's missing. So he establishes his first newspaper.

0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:13.440
<v Speaker 1>It's called Deutsche Socialist, you know, German Socialists, because that's

0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the name of the party. And he had been kind

0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:19.120
<v Speaker 1>of he used their funding to start this newspaper, and

0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:23.320
<v Speaker 1>they wanted a traditional political party paper. But Julius immediately

0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:25.319
<v Speaker 1>goes in his own direction. And I'm going to quote

0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:28.520
<v Speaker 1>from his biographer Randall bite Work here. His goal was

0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:31.360
<v Speaker 1>to provide short articles in simple language that explained to

0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:35.040
<v Speaker 1>a popular audience the intricacies of politics and economics. As

0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:38.920
<v Speaker 1>he reported to the August nineteen twenty dsp National Meeting, gentlemen,

0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:41.360
<v Speaker 1>let us not forget that we want to speak primarily

0:53:41.400 --> 0:53:44.919
<v Speaker 1>to the workers. Brevity is the seasoning. The contents must

0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:48.719
<v Speaker 1>have a popular style. His lead article in newspaper's first

0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:51.280
<v Speaker 1>issue is a good example of his early writing. Addressed

0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:55.319
<v Speaker 1>to communists and socialists, It began by saluting them as brothers. Yes,

0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:58.800
<v Speaker 1>you are brothers, German mothers boor you wan German soil

0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:01.680
<v Speaker 1>the same German blas blood flows in our veins. We

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:04.160
<v Speaker 1>and you have nothing to lose but everything to gain.

0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:07.320
<v Speaker 1>We have the same desire to escape our present misery

0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 1>as fast as possible. We want the same solutions. We

0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:13.520
<v Speaker 1>too want our part of German soil, a small lot

0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:15.759
<v Speaker 1>with a small garden, just like so many others of

0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:18.320
<v Speaker 1>our race. It is the right of being born a German,

0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and we want to be free of the yousurious yoke

0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:24.239
<v Speaker 1>of big money. Later in the article, Striker turned to

0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:28.680
<v Speaker 1>the Jews. Do you really think the Rothschilds, Mendelssohns, black Rotors,

0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:32.080
<v Speaker 1>war Burgs and Cones worry about your poverty. As long

0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:34.920
<v Speaker 1>as the blood brothers of the Mendelssohns and the blike

0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:37.319
<v Speaker 1>Rotors and the Cones are your leaders, As long as

0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:40.040
<v Speaker 1>your party officials are Jewish lackeys, you will be no

0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:42.520
<v Speaker 1>threat to the big money men. As long as you

0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:44.440
<v Speaker 1>yourself do not lead the way, and as long as

0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the black shadow of foreign blood is behind you, you

0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:50.840
<v Speaker 1>will be betrayed and deceived. The black shadow cares for itself,

0:54:51.080 --> 0:54:54.480
<v Speaker 1>not for you. And he's talking about there is like

0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:57.319
<v Speaker 1>this idea that the German army had been betrayed right

0:54:57.400 --> 0:55:00.239
<v Speaker 1>by Jewish people who are foreigners. They're not really oil

0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:02.120
<v Speaker 1>to the state. That's like what he's sort of saying.

0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:04.000
<v Speaker 1>The black's the black shadow, you know.

0:55:04.360 --> 0:55:10.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, ritick really is not changed, not much. No, if

0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:11.560
<v Speaker 4>you think about it, if you if you're talking about

0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:12.959
<v Speaker 4>people that are like pedaling.

0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Hate, yeah, I guess maybe it never needs to, right,

0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:21.400
<v Speaker 1>like maybe yeah, yeah, yeah, it's maybe just like the

0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:24.120
<v Speaker 1>same thing when hate's gonna work, it always kind of

0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:25.080
<v Speaker 1>works the same way.

0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:28.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I mean that's as on the nose as

0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:31.680
<v Speaker 4>like an out and out modern Danio Nazi.

0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:34.799
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's absolutely Yeah. I obviously they're you know,

0:55:35.280 --> 0:55:38.759
<v Speaker 1>following in his footsteps, but uh, you know whose footsteps

0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:45.120
<v Speaker 1>we're following in today? The sponsors No, no, no, the

0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:48.960
<v Speaker 1>blue apron and and and shit, right, Sophie said, yeah,

0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:50.200
<v Speaker 1>who we're getting money from today?

0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:52.439
<v Speaker 2>We're sponsored by HelloFresh. But yeah, close enough.

0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:03.000
<v Speaker 1>We are back, uh, having a good time talking about

0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Julius Striker. So Striker's paper starts to do pretty well.

0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:12.440
<v Speaker 1>It's helping to build a following for the DSP's who's

0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:15.000
<v Speaker 1>not a big party at this point. But the leaders

0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:18.000
<v Speaker 1>of the party are kind of a little worried by

0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:21.600
<v Speaker 1>by this newspaper because for one thing, They're not as

0:56:21.640 --> 0:56:24.959
<v Speaker 1>motivated by anti Semitism as Julius is, so they try

0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:27.440
<v Speaker 1>to rain him in, right. And as soon as they

0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:29.879
<v Speaker 1>try to be like, hey, Julius, you know, maybe maybe

0:56:29.920 --> 0:56:32.279
<v Speaker 1>we focus a little bit more on you know, politics

0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:34.360
<v Speaker 1>and a little bit less on racism, they learned the

0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:37.400
<v Speaker 1>thing that all of these Catholic priests and military officers

0:56:37.440 --> 0:56:39.800
<v Speaker 1>had learned a few years earlier, which is that Julius

0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Striker does not take direction.

0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:42.040
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:44.279
<v Speaker 1>You try to tell this guy to do things, and

0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:48.120
<v Speaker 1>it just pisses him off. And as soon as they

0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:50.880
<v Speaker 1>try to, like, you know, force him to make changes,

0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:53.440
<v Speaker 1>they realize that even though he used their money to

0:56:53.480 --> 0:56:57.680
<v Speaker 1>start this paper, it's his. It's legally his personal property. Right,

0:56:57.840 --> 0:57:01.160
<v Speaker 1>So they actually can't. Right, It's like he started the YouTube,

0:57:01.160 --> 0:57:05.200
<v Speaker 1>accare right, Like, yeah, exactly, he's not. He has a

0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:09.960
<v Speaker 1>certain kind of cunning, right, Yes. So this becomes more

0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:12.560
<v Speaker 1>of a problem as his conspiratorial view of the world

0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:15.600
<v Speaker 1>expands to include the Jesuits, who he sees as a

0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:21.080
<v Speaker 1>shadowy force running world politics. Again, Nuremberg is a pretty

0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:25.120
<v Speaker 1>heavily Catholic town and or I mean, it's not majority

0:57:25.160 --> 0:57:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Catholic Bavaria is a lot of Catholics, and Catholics are

0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:31.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a lot of the core membership of

0:57:31.200 --> 0:57:35.160
<v Speaker 1>the DSP, and they start leaving, you know, because Catholics

0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:39.040
<v Speaker 1>and Jesuits are, you know, the same thing. And it

0:57:39.120 --> 0:57:42.320
<v Speaker 1>pisses them off that he's like accusing these people who

0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:45.040
<v Speaker 1>they respect as being in league with this sort of

0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:50.280
<v Speaker 1>like grand conspiracy. Some like Catholic members of the DSP

0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:54.360
<v Speaker 1>start sending striker letters basically being like, hey, would you

0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:56.920
<v Speaker 1>stop like lumping us all in and maybe maybe we

0:57:56.960 --> 0:57:59.439
<v Speaker 1>don't focus as much as on racism because I might

0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:01.840
<v Speaker 1>not be as to that. And he like, he writes,

0:58:02.200 --> 0:58:04.720
<v Speaker 1>this is a very modern thing. He like starts posting

0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:07.600
<v Speaker 1>pieces of their letters in a column that he writes

0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:11.720
<v Speaker 1>for the newspaper, making the screen. Yeah right, yeah, he's

0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:14.200
<v Speaker 1>doing the way it's very modern.

0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:16.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's crazy.

0:58:16.800 --> 0:58:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's wild.

0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:19.520
<v Speaker 3>Right, So what.

0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:26.720
<v Speaker 4>Exactly to do that than like screenshow Like that's bad enough,

0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:28.120
<v Speaker 4>But to be like now I'm going to cut.

0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:32.600
<v Speaker 1>This, it's also like you have to admit though, like

0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:35.960
<v Speaker 1>that's so far ahead of the time, right, he is

0:58:36.160 --> 0:58:40.080
<v Speaker 1>decades ahead of everyone else, an innovator of just being

0:58:40.240 --> 0:58:43.960
<v Speaker 1>horrible Yeah, so conflicts he starts. You know, he keeps

0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:46.160
<v Speaker 1>getting in a conflict. He's always in conflict with the

0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:49.680
<v Speaker 1>organizers of his parties, you know, because he's his loose cannon.

0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:52.360
<v Speaker 1>But they also need him because he brings crowds. You know,

0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:55.280
<v Speaker 1>he's not just making this newspaper, but when he shows up,

0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:57.560
<v Speaker 1>people show up to listen to him speak who probably

0:58:57.560 --> 0:59:02.040
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't show up to a party meeting otherwise. So, you know,

0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:06.240
<v Speaker 1>the paper grows to a few thousand subscribers, and Julius

0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:08.600
<v Speaker 1>is able to keep his newspaper running at a fraction

0:59:08.720 --> 0:59:11.440
<v Speaker 1>of the cost that a normal publisher would have required

0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:14.040
<v Speaker 1>because he has a secret, which is that he does

0:59:14.040 --> 0:59:16.880
<v Speaker 1>not pay for his newspaper to be printed. He will

0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:19.200
<v Speaker 1>find a new printer, He'll have them print a couple

0:59:19.280 --> 0:59:21.720
<v Speaker 1>of episodes or issues and just be like, yeah, the

0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:24.600
<v Speaker 1>money's coming, the money's coming. The just front us this week, right,

0:59:24.800 --> 0:59:26.720
<v Speaker 1>then we'll pay you back front us this week. And

0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:28.240
<v Speaker 1>then as soon as he hits the point where like

0:59:28.280 --> 0:59:31.640
<v Speaker 1>they're not gonna publish any more papers, he bounces without

0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:34.040
<v Speaker 1>ever having paid his debts, and he finds a new publisher.

0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:37.160
<v Speaker 3>Wow, things that must have been so easy. Buck in

0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:37.600
<v Speaker 3>the diard.

0:59:37.680 --> 0:59:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah there's no internet, right, just.

0:59:40.040 --> 0:59:43.920
<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, I'm gone, Yeah, I'm the wind baby.

0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what are you going to do?

0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:50.160
<v Speaker 3>Send a horse? Yeah.

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:53.520
<v Speaker 1>So nineteen twenty one, he's kind of sandwiched between this

0:59:53.640 --> 0:59:56.840
<v Speaker 1>conservative party that needs him but is uncomfortable with how

0:59:56.920 --> 1:00:01.280
<v Speaker 1>loudly he says the quiet parts, and you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a tough place to be in. But luckily for him

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<v Speaker 1>and unfortunately for everyone else in Europe, the leaders of

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<v Speaker 1>the DSP are also sort of desperate to find a

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<v Speaker 1>way to make themselves more electorally viable. And because even

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<v Speaker 1>with Striker's help, they're not succeeding at becoming like a

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<v Speaker 1>national movement, they decide to start working with another political

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<v Speaker 1>party and the interests of like kind of merging together

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<v Speaker 1>and seeing if that can give them sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>oomph that they need to go national. And the party

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<v Speaker 1>that the German Socialist Party starts talking with about a

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<v Speaker 1>merger is a Munich based right wing party called the

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<v Speaker 1>German Workers Party. Right, so you've got the socialists and

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<v Speaker 1>the workers who are looking at merging together to make

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<v Speaker 1>us socialist workers a national socialist workers party, right, you

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<v Speaker 1>might call it. This is where we get that right.

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<v Speaker 1>The Nazi Party, the National Socialist German Workers Party comes

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<v Speaker 1>out of the German Socialist Party and the German Workers

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<v Speaker 1>Party merging together. Right, This is this is the the

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<v Speaker 1>Reese's pieces that leads us to the Nazis. So in

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<v Speaker 1>May of nineteen twenty one, as sort of the leadership

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<v Speaker 1>of these two groups are talking about merging, one member

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<v Speaker 1>of the German Workers Party reaches out to Striker directly

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, hey, we got this dude named Hitler.

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<v Speaker 1>He's kind of uru, right, He's our guy who gives speeches.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the guy people really like to follow. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler's interested in this you know, absorbing thing. But like,

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<v Speaker 1>we have some issues with like the folks who are

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<v Speaker 1>running our party because Hitler's not This is again Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>in this period is kind of in a similar situation

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<v Speaker 1>to Julius, where the German Workers Party is not founded

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<v Speaker 1>by Hitler. Right, He's actually brought in as a spy

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<v Speaker 1>by the army, like right after the war. He avoids

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<v Speaker 1>getting demobilized and winding up without an income by staying

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<v Speaker 1>in the army, and the thing the army has him

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<v Speaker 1>do is like spy on right wing political parties in Munich,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he shows up at his first German Workers

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<v Speaker 1>Party meeting basically to like see if their plan to

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<v Speaker 1>overthrow the government, and then he gets angry and he

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<v Speaker 1>starts like getting into arguments and he gives a speech

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<v Speaker 1>and people are like, you're actually really good at talking. Hitler,

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<v Speaker 1>And he's similar to Striker in that the dudes who

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<v Speaker 1>had founded the German Workers Party start to have issues

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<v Speaker 1>with him, where they're like, this guy's trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>our party all about himself and like the things that

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<v Speaker 1>we got into are kind of getting lost, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's kind of a tyrant, right, And so they're part

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<v Speaker 1>of what the German Workers Party is hoping is that

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<v Speaker 1>by merging with the German Socialist Party they can kind

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<v Speaker 1>of marginalize Hitler, right, they can they can take, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>push him off to the side and just use him

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<v Speaker 1>for what they think he's good for without letting him

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<v Speaker 1>run everything. And the German Socialist Party is hoping to

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<v Speaker 1>do the same thing with Striker, Right, they're both like

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<v Speaker 1>mirrors of each other in this really weird way, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so, yeah, Hitler is not the kind of dude

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<v Speaker 1>who's going let this happen right, Like he is, he

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<v Speaker 1>has these kind of like honed political instincts, and he sees, well,

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<v Speaker 1>these dudes are trying to edge me out of control

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<v Speaker 1>of the party, right, that's why they want to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of just going ahead with the merger to

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<v Speaker 1>the German Socialist Party, he resigns from the German Workers

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<v Speaker 1>Party in July of nineteen twenty one. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>he resigns it because the DAP and the DSP leadership

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<v Speaker 1>have worked out an agreement that would give them sort

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<v Speaker 1>of power over the fewer in the new merged political party.

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<v Speaker 1>And Hitler's like, look, I'll take my followers and my

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<v Speaker 1>skill for speaking and I'll go somewhere else. I'll make

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<v Speaker 1>a new party, I'll join another party, and like I'll

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<v Speaker 1>fucking crush you guys, Like, that's the option. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to try to like do this without me, or

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to let me back in and give

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<v Speaker 1>me total control? That's the that's the ultimatum he gives them.

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<v Speaker 1>And the leaders of the German Workers Party kind of fold.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they're like well as much which we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want him to be in total control. None of us

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<v Speaker 1>know how to like get a following without him, like

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<v Speaker 1>he's kind of the primary appeal of our party. So

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<v Speaker 1>they let him back in and they make him the

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<v Speaker 1>center of the new German Workers Party, which then merges

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<v Speaker 1>with the German Socialist Party. And that is how Adolf

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler becomes for the first time. You know Hitler, right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is that's where that comes from.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like the original influencer basically.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and yeah. So one of Striker's friends, while

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<v Speaker 1>this is all going down, sends him a warning letter

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<v Speaker 1>being like, hey guys, or hey hey Julius. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler won his power struggle over with the DAP, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're about to merge with our party, and our leaders

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<v Speaker 1>are doing it because they don't like you. They want

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who can do what you do, who can

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<v Speaker 1>bring in you know, followers and stuff, who can like

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<v Speaker 1>give these speeches that attract an audience, and they feel

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<v Speaker 1>like backing Hitler will let us force you out of

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<v Speaker 1>the party. So Striker, when he hears that just go ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>goes ahead and leaves the German Socialist Party. Part of

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<v Speaker 1>why he does this is because his friend, a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Otto Dickle, has formed a breakaway organization called the

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<v Speaker 1>German Working Community, and the idea behind the German Working

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<v Speaker 1>Community is it's like supposed to be the u win

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<v Speaker 1>of like anti Semitic parties, where that we're supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be this over organization and all the right wing parties

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<v Speaker 1>can organize with us to get their anti Semitic policies

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<v Speaker 1>in order. It's all very messy. Dickle, the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>forms this group, is a really fascinating early German fascist.

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<v Speaker 1>People don't talk about him a lot anymore, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting. In the nineteen thirties, he's kind of this

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<v Speaker 1>like proto libertarian, like from this point where he's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like similar to a lot of the early Nazis,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to become like a lasi faire capitalist. But

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen twenty one he's very much in line with

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of shit Hitler and Striker are selling. And

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<v Speaker 1>he writes this book called Resurgence of the West, which

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<v Speaker 1>is interesting in part because it sort of predicts the

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<v Speaker 1>war that Hitler is going to unleash a few years

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<v Speaker 1>later on continental Europe. And I'm going to quote from

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<v Speaker 1>that book now because it's interesting how much Dickle sort

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<v Speaker 1>of sees coming many a time acquaintances.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, it's what dickus seas.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on, man.

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<v Speaker 1>No see, I'm so mature that I didn't even I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even notice the come down.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, sorry to no No.

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<v Speaker 1>Many a time acquaintances have told me that I see

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<v Speaker 1>the world differently from them. That is true, who sees

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<v Speaker 1>it correctly? Men of science, with their mechanistic thinking will

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<v Speaker 1>certainly attack me, will carp and criticize. We'll discover some

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<v Speaker 1>errors and ridicule me. Let them. But if in the

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<v Speaker 1>immediate future, perhaps even before this book is published, events

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<v Speaker 1>take place in Russia as I have foretold, If social

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<v Speaker 1>ferment begins in France, which is heading for the most

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<v Speaker 1>uncompromising imperialism, and as I fear in England too, if

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<v Speaker 1>the German people, overwhelmed by despair, is gripped by the

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<v Speaker 1>irresistible force of national resurgence, then I can only wish

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<v Speaker 1>it be men who see his eye. So men who

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<v Speaker 1>comprehend the meaning of the World War and of the

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<v Speaker 1>contemporary events through their bold action, and can create a

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<v Speaker 1>free German people on its own soil. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of folks who sort of see where

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<v Speaker 1>the winds are blowing or at least are hoping to

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<v Speaker 1>help blow the wind in that direction. And Dickle's one

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<v Speaker 1>of them. And Dickle, you know, for this this German

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<v Speaker 1>anti Semitic sort of un that he's going to create,

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<v Speaker 1>he picks as a logo for it, a little thing

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<v Speaker 1>you might recognize as the swastika. Now this is not

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<v Speaker 1>a weird thing. At the time. Knowledge of the swastika

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<v Speaker 1>had come to Germany primarily through the work of a

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<v Speaker 1>bumbling archaeologist named Heinrich Schleimann, who is the He's the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who like finds Troy by sort of destroying most

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<v Speaker 1>of the artifacts of Troy because he doesn't realize initially

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<v Speaker 1>where he's digging and like what he's churning through to

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<v Speaker 1>get to what he thinks is the ruins of Troy.

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<v Speaker 1>But some of the stuff that he does found find

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<v Speaker 1>from Troy is like pottery and shit that's like covered

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<v Speaker 1>in swastikas. Right now, swastika is We're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>get into the history of the swastika yet, although I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'll probably do an episode on that, but like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the oldest thing that people have ever drawn that's

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<v Speaker 1>like not a super basic shape. It occurs all over

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<v Speaker 1>the world. There are swastikas all throughout, like ancient you know, India.

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<v Speaker 1>The swastika goes back and I think some of the

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<v Speaker 1>oldest ones in Europe are like in Ukraine they found

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<v Speaker 1>swastikas that are fifteen thousand years old. The Navajo people

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<v Speaker 1>in the American Southwest have been using swastikas for again,

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<v Speaker 1>god knows how long, all sorts of different things. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting. In nineteen forty, when like we start gearing

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<v Speaker 1>up for World War two, the Navajo and a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of other Indigenous American tribes have a meeting and like

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<v Speaker 1>announce that we're giving up the swastika, this like ancient

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<v Speaker 1>religious symbol for us as a result of how the

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<v Speaker 1>Nazis have polluted it, which is fat That's such like

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<v Speaker 1>a strange because there's nothing wrong with the swastika inherently, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's nothing like racist about the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>the Navajo were like putting this in stuff, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>God knows how many thousands of years back.

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<v Speaker 3>Right they were like one day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one day, this ship hit in Germany.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, it's like there's a famous far I can't

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<v Speaker 4>remember where it is, but it's before Hitler, and there's

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<v Speaker 4>like this a girl's like hockey team like that, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like a young girls they're like ten, and on the

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<v Speaker 4>front of all that jump puts, they've got this huge swastika. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>without context, it's like Jesus Christ, what's that? But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it was quite Yeah, like you said it was, it

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<v Speaker 4>was a pretty common symbol.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean the Girls Club, which is what you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, is like this large organization for young girls

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<v Speaker 1>in the US. There, their magazine, one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>popular women's magazines in the United States, is called the Swastika.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's just everywhere you know, up there's all these

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<v Speaker 1>wild stories too, of like Americans in kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>twenties and thirties when there's all the street fighting between

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<v Speaker 1>Nazis and communists, like American journalists sparticularly like women journalists

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<v Speaker 1>who will like come to Germany to report on the

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<v Speaker 1>unrest and they'll have like a swastika ring or a necklace,

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<v Speaker 1>and like some communists that they're like you know, talking with,

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<v Speaker 1>will be like you might not want to wear that.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, that means a real different thing.

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<v Speaker 3>To es now, same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's very awkward, but it's not weird, right that

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<v Speaker 1>this dude Dickle adopts the swastika. This is starting to

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<v Speaker 1>happen all throughout you know, Germany. It's happened with the

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi Party and stuff. I think it actually goes back

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<v Speaker 1>a bit further than that too, because I think the

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<v Speaker 1>first right wing militants to wear the swastikas are in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen nineteen. One of these early anti communist veterans militias

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<v Speaker 1>have swastik but that is because it like this is

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<v Speaker 1>also interesting in World War One there are there are

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<v Speaker 1>US military units and German military units with swastikas, Like

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<v Speaker 1>theoretically who might have fought each other both under the

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<v Speaker 1>swastika just because it's like a good luck symbol. Weird stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, the the kind of the the first Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>or fascist, i should say, thought leader to start using

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<v Speaker 1>the swastika was the head of an organization called the

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<v Speaker 1>Wotan Lodge. And the Wotan Lodge is this early German

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<v Speaker 1>nationalist secret society. It starts before World War One, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of the guys who runs it is our friend

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<v Speaker 1>Theodore Fritch. Right, Theodore Fritch is a very you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's he's the kind of fascist nerd that still existed.

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<v Speaker 1>That his pseudonym is Thor, Like, that's the name that

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<v Speaker 1>Fritch writes on for under for his like Wotan Lodge,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, columns and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Wotan shit has just been cringe from day one there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, from the fucking jump right, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of how crins they are. The thing that the

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<v Speaker 1>Wotanists do is they dress up like knights and vikings,

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<v Speaker 1>they wear like horned helmets, they carry out these candlelit ceremonies.

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<v Speaker 1>Well they're where they'll like march in the shape of

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<v Speaker 1>a swastika, and a lot of like Nazi rituals get

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<v Speaker 1>based on this stuff. Because after World War One, the

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<v Speaker 1>Wotan Lodge gets renamed to the Tulas Society. Right, these

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<v Speaker 1>are the bad guys from hell Boy, you know if

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<v Speaker 1>you've seen the hell Boy movie. Yeah yeah, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these guys become some of the first Nazis.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen eighteen, control of the Tullas Society passes

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<v Speaker 1>from Fritch to a dude named Baron Rudolph von Sebatandorf. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>first off, that's his like fascist and name, Baron Rudolph

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<v Speaker 1>bon sabatandor Von.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, wo, was he born like Rhodesia.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like that's a guy. Indiana Jones punches. That is

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<v Speaker 1>like a stereotypical Nazi name, Like, yeah, well it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>part of why it's stereotypical, is that is not at

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<v Speaker 1>all his real name. So oh right, yeah, that's like

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<v Speaker 1>yeah Vaughan. Obviously he's calling himself a baron. Vaughn is

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<v Speaker 1>like a signifier in Old Germany that you're a noble. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>The actual guy who calls himself Baron Vaughan Sebotandorf is

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<v Speaker 1>not a noble of any kind. He was born Adam Glower.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the uh right, which is.

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<v Speaker 3>I barely would go with the Vaughan name then Marcelfa.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a much cooler name. Yeah, And rather than

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<v Speaker 1>being a baron, he is the son of a train engineer.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got kind of this weird life. As a young adult,

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<v Speaker 1>he like moves to Turkey, he becomes an Ottoman citizen,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, when he becomes an Ottoman citizen, he like

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<v Speaker 1>lies and tells them that my name is Baron Heinrich Subotandorf,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Turks are like, yeah, I guess if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to. So he he fights for the Ottomans in

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<v Speaker 1>the First Balkan War and then he returns to Germany

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<v Speaker 1>to become a wizard and a fascist. And he is

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<v Speaker 1>like he's in a like I said, he's a wizard,

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<v Speaker 1>he's an ocultist. You know, he's into this. Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>like a he's like an ocult guy. He's doing like

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<v Speaker 1>magical rituals. And he's also like a Nazi racist. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a few of these guys. That's a big thing

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<v Speaker 1>for the Tulist society. So yeah, he's like pretend noble

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<v Speaker 1>who makes himself into like an occult figure on the far.

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<v Speaker 4>Right' it's funny like Viking stuff. If you're a Viking

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<v Speaker 4>and you're actually doing that, like the Viking ship like

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<v Speaker 4>they did. Yeah, and you look like a Viking, you're

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<v Speaker 4>coolest fuck right. Any time after that that you dress

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<v Speaker 4>like a Viking, it's like the cringiest thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's weird. It's one or the other, you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>Yah, there is no like, there's no like medium speed

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<v Speaker 1>for those, there's no middle of the road king.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they are the coolest dude ever or they need

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<v Speaker 1>to be tossed into the ocean.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, not that, like you know, pillage and mud of

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<v Speaker 4>the Vikings did was cool, but they look cool, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think can be cool and still bad. It's like pirates.

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<v Speaker 1>Pirates are cool. Didn't always do good stuff, but always cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean Vincent from Biker Mice. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>yeah yeahh bad but cool. Bad but cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the In a book called The Swastika Symbol

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<v Speaker 1>Beyond Redemption, author and historian Stephen Heller writes that Subatandorf,

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<v Speaker 1>as the new leader of the Tula Society, quote pledged

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<v Speaker 1>his loyalty to Germany, the swastika and destruction of the enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>In one of his speeches, he introduced an additional symbolic

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<v Speaker 1>icon to the language of Volkish occultism, the r Run,

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<v Speaker 1>which signifies Aryan primal fire, the son and the Eagle.

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<v Speaker 1>And the eagle, he announced, is the symbol of the Aryans.

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<v Speaker 1>In order to depict the eagle's capacity for self immolation

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<v Speaker 1>by fire, it is colored red. From today on, our

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<v Speaker 1>symbol is the red eagle, which warns us that we

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<v Speaker 1>must die in order to live. So Subotandorf also the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing that he brings in that you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>recognize is this very particular kind of like straight armed

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<v Speaker 1>salute called the Zighil, which is going to become the

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<v Speaker 1>primary Nazi salute. And he is also Subotanorf, is the

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<v Speaker 1>guy the primary idea that is noteworthy that he comes

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<v Speaker 1>up with. It's called the feurer Prinzip, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>leader principle or leader cult, which is the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>if we are going to have a successful right wing party,

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<v Speaker 1>anti democratic party in this country, it needs to be

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<v Speaker 1>bound to a single leader almost like a religion, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like a messiah, you know. And the thing Subotanorf phrases it,

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<v Speaker 1>calls it a messiah. He's like, we are waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>We on the German right are waiting for our messiah.

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<v Speaker 1>So all of these folks. Part of why these parties

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<v Speaker 1>they don't like Striker, they don't really like Hitler the leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>but they can't get rid of them, right, is because

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<v Speaker 1>there's this building sense all throughout the twenties in German

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<v Speaker 1>right wing politics that we're waiting, we're looking to see

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<v Speaker 1>which of these guys is going to become the messiah

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<v Speaker 1>right and by early nineteen twenty one, if you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out who is our fewer, Right, the two

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<v Speaker 1>guys who are primarily going to be on your radar

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<v Speaker 1>are Adolf Hitler and Julius Striker. And when you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the DAP sort of yields to Hitler and agrees to

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<v Speaker 1>give him, you know, control over the party. They're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>we think Hitler's the guy who's going to win. And

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<v Speaker 1>when Dickle forms the German working Community and brings in

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<v Speaker 1>his friend Julia Striker, he's kind of betting that Striker

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<v Speaker 1>might be the guy to fill this role. Dicklan Streiko,

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<v Speaker 1>Dickolan Striker, Yeah, little Dick, Dick Striker.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's great.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, it's not like a good yeah, detective

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<v Speaker 4>Dick Streiko.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go. So, yeah, that's where we are

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<v Speaker 1>as Part one closes out. Jake, how you doing? How

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<v Speaker 1>you feeling about this whole tale?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's super interesting considering how long ago this was,

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<v Speaker 4>how many direct kind of similarities there are to the

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<v Speaker 4>modern day file press.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's part of why the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>keeps coming to me is I like read this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is like, oh, I guess everything that's happened with social

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<v Speaker 1>media isn't really surprising, like this all happened with like

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<v Speaker 1>newspapers and shit back in the day. It's it's the

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<v Speaker 1>same as it ever was in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly, I've never actually thought of it like that. When

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<v Speaker 4>you said that, it's so true. It's like almost like

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<v Speaker 4>the original purpose of the newspapers was how social media

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<v Speaker 4>is mostly used now, let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, the idea, like we think of

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<v Speaker 1>a newspaper kind of as this like edifice that provides

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<v Speaker 1>information about the world to people. But the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>newspapers primarily did early on was both like a tool

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<v Speaker 1>for people to get out, you know, disinformation, but also

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<v Speaker 1>just like a wave for folks to bitch at each other, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's the same thing that Twitter is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a big part of tweet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Jake, you got anything to plug?

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