1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Oh boy, welcome to Behind the Bastards, a podcast where 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: I just played a trick on Sophie. I'm Robert Evans. 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: This is a show about the worst people in all 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: of history and uh, and to help us talk about 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: one of the worst people in all of history, one 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: of my favorite Did it happen, Sophie? Did it happen? 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: Did you catch my cunning roosts? 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: I asked you the script and it says, ha ha ha, Sophie, 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: this was a trick. 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: Uh, your fake documents. It's not the real script. 11 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 3: I know, I know. 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: It was such a shitty thing to do. And that 13 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: laugh on the line was Jake Hanrahan, Jake you are 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: I'm doing good. I'm doing any buddy, how are you 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: doing this week? 16 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? Good, I'm good. I'm good. 17 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 4: I'm moving forward with looking into dead Russians. 18 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: You've taken on the fun job for yourself this year 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: of looking into the mysterious accidental deaths and suicides of 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of Russian oligarchs for your hit podcast Sad Oligarch. 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 3: Yeah. 22 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 4: Mine, and it's it's been really eye open and actually 23 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 4: like it's it's a lot of work, but it's very 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 4: I mean the coincidence is being stretched to its absolute. 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: Limit on what's happening here. Put it that way. 26 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a super impressive podcast. Really happy to 27 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: have it on the network. You also, Jake, run an 28 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: outfit called Popular Front, which does both a regular podcast 29 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: on conflict all around the world and also has a 30 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: you put out a print journal. I think I'll call 31 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: it a journal because that sounds that sounds I mean. 32 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, magazine, Yeah, yeah, I'm moving forward, and documentaries as well. 33 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 34 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: So in other words, Jake, you are kind of a 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: good version of the bad guy that we're going to 36 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: talk about today, because the guy we're talking about today 37 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: is like the evilist example of like a dude who 38 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: you could technically call a journalist he ran a newspaper 39 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: or a journal or whatever, which was the podcast of 40 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: the of the nineteen thirties and forties. What do you 41 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: know about a fella named Julius Striker? 42 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 3: Nothing? 43 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: Actually, okay, okay, very good. So Striker was, I mean 44 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: the kind of the surface level thing that he was, 45 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: and sort of the most prominent thing that he was 46 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: was the dude who ran a newspaper in Weimar, Germany 47 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: called Der Sturmer. So he was like the guy who 48 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: published the primary anti semitic newspaper of like the pre 49 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: Nazi in the Nazi era. He was the only dude 50 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: we executed at Nuremberg who hadn't actually had a government 51 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: position in the Nazi Party. In other words, when they 52 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: killed Striker after the war, they acknowledged like, well, this 53 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: guy wasn't you know, he wasn't a military leader, he 54 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: wasn't in the government. He didn't like help start a war, 55 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: he didn't like command troops, he didn't run a death camp. 56 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: But we're going to hang him because the propaganda he 57 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: made was an integral part of the Holocaust. 58 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 4: He should have studied science and he could have been 59 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 4: sent to America. 60 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, if he known how to build a bomb. 61 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: He missed Piper Clip with profession, you know. 62 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things about Striker is that 63 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: he kind of did He was kind of like that 64 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: level of evil genius in that he figured out a 65 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: way to utilize the news media as a weapon in 66 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: a way that a lot of people today still do. 67 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: Like people are hurting folks right now using a lot 68 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: of the tactics that Striker pioneered. 69 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: But he's also smart why did he die though? 70 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I mean python, the accumulated head injuries 71 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: that he got in street fights in the nineteen thirties 72 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: might have blunted him by the end. You know, some 73 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: of that cte, which I think is an underdiscussed part 74 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: of a lot of the old Nazis right. You can't 75 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: you can only have like so many beer bottles broken 76 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: over your head before you start to yeah, yeah he was, 77 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: I mean he was. He was like just kind of 78 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: involved in because he was a big speaker during the 79 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: Weimar era, right, and so you were a big Nazi speaker, 80 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: you get into a shitload of bar fights. But one 81 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: of the things that's interesting about Striker is that, like, 82 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: so this is this is getting a little bit outside 83 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: a topic. But if you like spending the time engaging 84 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: with the actual historiography of the like the quote unquote 85 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: Holy Land or the the what you know, the lifetime 86 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: of the person who uh has come down to us 87 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: as Jesus Christ, you'll find out that, like there were 88 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: sort of a bunch of Messianic figures like in that 89 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: part of the world in that period of time, people 90 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: claiming to be like Messiah's people claiming to be, you know, 91 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: holy Man. And basically the guy that like, you know, 92 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: the you get a lot of stories about in the 93 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: Bible is like one of a number of dudes who theoretically, 94 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: if you're not a believer in Christianity, right, if you 95 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: don't believe that guy's the son of God, theoretically there 96 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: were probably other dudes that like maybe could have been 97 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: the focus of a big religion if shit had broken 98 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: a little bit differently, right, Yeah. 99 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 4: John the Baptist is worshiped by as I forget the 100 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 4: name now, but there's a like specific religion in the 101 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 4: Middle East. Most of them actually don't live in the 102 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 4: Middle East now as they were persecuted, but yeah, they 103 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 4: for them, John the Baptist was there Jesus, if. 104 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. 105 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so Striker is in addition to 106 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: being this very influential propagandist, he's kind of that guy 107 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: for Hitler, as in, if a couple of things had 108 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: broke differently, he could have been the like fearer of 109 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: the fascist party that rose to power. Like, he had 110 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: a lot of similarities, and there was a period of 111 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: time where they were kind of seen as rivals for 112 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: like the guy who's going to become the center of 113 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: the of the the far right movement in Bymar, Germany. 114 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: So he's a really interesting dude for a number of there. So, yeah, 115 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: that's who we're talking about this week. Julius Striker aka 116 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: Jules So. Julius was born February twelfth, eighteen eighty five, 117 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: in a little bitty country town named Fleinhausen, about fifteen 118 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: miles west of the town of Augsburg in Bavaria. Now 119 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: Bavaria is kind of like sometimes I hear people say, 120 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: it's like the Texas of Germany. Right, it's traditionally the 121 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: conservative chunk of Germany. It's quite large. It's also like 122 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: heavily Catholic as opposed to kind of the more Protestant 123 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: parts of the country. And his family's Catholic. His dad 124 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: is the town school master in this little bitty town, 125 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: and his dad is, like a lot of folks in 126 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: Bavaria at the time, a big believer in having as 127 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: many babies with his wife as she is capable of surviving. 128 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: So Julius is his ninth kid, which is that's a 129 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: lot a lot of kids to have. 130 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: That's a hell little kids. Yeah, back Denvi was like, 131 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 3: just keep going. 132 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta like, you gotta make him out. Three 133 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: of them are going to make it to fifteen, you know, 134 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: and then then you can die at the right old 135 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: age of thirty eight. Yeah. So the Strikers were a conservative, 136 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: traditional family in a pretty conservative and traditional part of Germany. 137 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: Julius had been born and you could call it he 138 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: was basically born during Germany's kinsinera, right, like Germany is 139 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: like fifteen years old when he turns fifth or when 140 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: he's born, and his family's pretty excited to be a 141 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: part of this new country. So everybody's like, yeah, Germany, 142 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: great idea. This is only gonna only gonna end. Well, 143 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: his mom is kind of a homemaker at the time, 144 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: while his dad is again a school teacher, and he's 145 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: as a very young kid again a lot like Hitler. 146 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: He's a mama's boy. He actually calls his mother the 147 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: fortress of my childhood, so, you know, very much, very 148 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: much tied to his mom, very much. 149 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: Word, Okay, I'm sorry, I love my mom. 150 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: That's the way weird fortress. 151 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, my sweet mother, Like no, she was the fortress, 152 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 4: like she was the verdun of my childhood. 153 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: That's like, my mom's my favorite person. 154 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: No, yeah, she's a fortress. 155 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: Yeah she's Yeah. It's interesting. I mean, Hitler's kind of 156 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: the same way, where like the h if you listen 157 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: to like folks who knew the family at the time, 158 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: or like the doctor who took care of her when 159 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: she had cancer, he was like, I've never seen anybody 160 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: who was like so into his mom as this guy. 161 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: You know, not that it's bad to be a mama's boy, 162 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: but an interesting detail for me, this fellas. 163 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 3: Good to fuck your mom, like, you. 164 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, there's a little bit of like that emotionally 165 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: going on, right, Yeah, yeah, a little odd. So in short, 166 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: his early life is characterized by this kind of both 167 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: this comforting sort of feeling of a very stable like family, 168 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: but also this very comforting feeling of like the weight 169 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: of all of this tradition you know that that exists 170 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: in the area he lives in. But despite this, while 171 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: his family's Catholic, while Bavaria's Catholic, he's never super into 172 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: Catholicism as a religion, but he is very culturally Catholic, 173 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: and one of the things that he gets out of 174 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: his cultural Catholicism is a pretty rough attitude towards Jewish people, 175 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: not not not great relations between the Catholic Church and 176 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: Judaism in this period at time, Not that he would 177 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: have known any Jewish people growing up right, Julius would 178 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: have only occasionally even met other like Christians who had 179 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: spent time interacting with Jewish citizens of the Reich. There 180 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: were a significant amount of German Jews in like cities. 181 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: You know, you would if you grew up in a city, 182 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: you certainly were going to like meet and interact with 183 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: with Jewish Germans. But he's out in the countryside and 184 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: basically everybody's you know, Catholic where he is. You know, 185 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: you got a couple of Protestants, Like that's kind of 186 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: a big deal running into Protestants for his folks, let alone, Like. 187 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: Why why did he hate Jews if he didn't annoyny. 188 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: Well, because he's raised on stories about them and largely 189 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: like really negative propaganda. So the church in his hometown, 190 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: and this is the case with hundreds of churches across 191 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: Europe had stained glass reliefs of what's called the Judensao 192 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: j U d E N s A U. You can 193 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: you can look up pictures of this. If you'd like, 194 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: and the Judensao is a pig nursing Jewish babies, right, 195 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: Like that's it's like this it's a racist kind of 196 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: like cartoon or whatever, but this is like literally like 197 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: carved into churches. There were also would have been a 198 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: relative regular talk about what was called the Blood Passover, 199 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: which is this medieval era conspiracy theory that existed up 200 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: until it still exists in some areas that claims that 201 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: like rabbis have to murder Christian children to get their 202 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: blood to make matza, and that's like like fucked up 203 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: and wild and stuff. But these were really common. Again, 204 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: this stuff is literally like in there's stained glass reliefs 205 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: of some of these stories. You know, this is a 206 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: thing that goes back a very long time. And some 207 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: of these myths about Jewish people, these like conspiracy theories 208 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: about rabbis and the like, would have been taught to 209 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: him both kind of as a part of his Catholic upbringing, 210 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: but also by adults who kind of these were not 211 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: just literal beliefs, they were also things that adults would 212 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: kind of embellish for kids as like a form of entertainment. 213 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: So it's kind of this mix of the two things, 214 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: but it all contributes to this kind of general miasma 215 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: of bigotry that is culturally the norm. And this is 216 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: not just in Germany. Right, if you're in France around 217 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: the same time, you're kid in Belgian Scandinavia, Kidden, most 218 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: parts of the UK during this period of time, you're 219 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: getting pieces of this. You know, there's differences culturally kind 220 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: of depending on where you are and what your dominant 221 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: religion is. But like this is a big part of why, 222 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, when when the Nazis take over in France, 223 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: like one of the logistic problems they have is like 224 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: so many people handing in Jewish neighbors and relatives because 225 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, this kind of bigotry is just it's very 226 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: I mean, this is like, yeah, it's already there, and 227 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: this is you know, it's one of those things where 228 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: as much as we're talking about how much bigotry this 229 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: kid and everyone else in this part of rural Bavaria 230 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: is ingesting, this is also simultaneously a period in which 231 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: Jewish people are making great strides towards equality in Germany. 232 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: Prussia had made Jewish people's citizens for the first time, 233 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: albeit kind of second class citizens. In eighteen twelve as 234 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: a part of the Napoleonic Wars, which is only you know, 235 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: like sixty or so years before Strikers born seventy years 236 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: full civic equality had been granted in eighteen forty eight 237 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: in Prussia, although most states in what became Germany a 238 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 1: little after that still had some restrictions on Jewish people 239 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: doing things like joining the military until eighteen sixty. And 240 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: you know, eighteen seventy is when we have the Franco 241 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: Prussian War, which is what gives us the birth of 242 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: like Germany as a traditional state. So like right before 243 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: the Franco Prussian War, Jews get the right to serve 244 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: in the German military. And then when that war ends 245 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: and Germany is established as an independent nation for the 246 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: first time, one of the things that happens when Germany 247 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: is born is that Jewish people are given full rights 248 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: as subjects of the Kaiser. So it's you've got again 249 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: in this period, you're both you both have this very 250 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: medieval bigotry is still super common, but also you've got 251 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: this very like progressive movement towards recognizing Jewish people as 252 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: the same as anyone else in the country. So both 253 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: of the stuff's happened at the same time his first 254 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: Julius's first direct memory of Jewish Germans came when he 255 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: was about five years old. His mom ordered fabric from 256 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: a shop owned by a Jewish shopkeeper in a town 257 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: near by. The fabric did not meet her expectations for 258 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: whatever region, and because she'd spent so much money on it, 259 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: she got angry. She started crying, and Julius, you know 260 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: who's again about five during this period, recalls, probably from 261 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: the adults around him, hearing that this betrayal of getting 262 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: bad fabric was just like a jew. And in Randall 263 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: Bitework's biography of Striker, he notes the village priest, in 264 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: his regular periods of religious instruction in the school, explained 265 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: how the Jews had fought Christ bitterly, finally crucifying him. 266 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: This was my first inkling that the nature of Jews 267 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: was peculiar. Striker later wrote, So this is kind of, 268 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's this again. You've got like this, your 269 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: preacher talking about how Jewish people are responsible for the 270 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: death of Christ, and your mom complaining that like they 271 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: screwed you out of you know, the proper cloth. It's 272 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: just kind of this all encompassing thing. So in this period, 273 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: age fourteen is kind of the start of your adulthood. 274 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: That's when a young man is going to start working 275 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: and apprenticing to learn a trade. Julius actually finished his 276 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: primary school at thirteen and started attending a teacher training 277 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: program where he's like learning how to become a school 278 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: teacher as a as a thirteen year old, which is wild. 279 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. Imagine going to school tea. 280 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're like eight's he's thirteen. He's like, I 281 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: can't even imagine the things he's seen that kids are hard. 282 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: Fourteen telling me, shit, I'm alone anything. Yeah, it's funny. 283 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: So he's one of like and you know, it says 284 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: something probably about his dad that of the nine kids 285 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: in the family, five of them following their dad's footsteps 286 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: as teachers, which is not like uncommon. Right, Like, at 287 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: that point in time, you're a coal miner, right, You're 288 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: living in somewhere in the south of England and your 289 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: dad's a coal miner, You're probably going to grow up 290 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: to be a coal miner. 291 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 3: You know. 292 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: It's kind of the same thing with Striker's family and 293 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: being a teacher. He's a he does Okay, he like 294 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: passes everything, but he's he's got kind of mediocre grades, 295 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: and he's starts working as a substitute teacher in nineteen 296 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: oh four, having been an indifferent teaching student. Now, the 297 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: Bavarian school system at this point is partly run by 298 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church, so in villages, the local priest was 299 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: like the administrator of the school, like he would check 300 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: in to see like what the teachers doing, what they're 301 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: teaching kids, whether it's acceptable, and Julius, while he's kind 302 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: of very culturally Catholic, doesn't particularly believe and is kind 303 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: of oppositional defiant, right, Like he's just reflexively angry at 304 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: anyone who's telling him how to do things. So he 305 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: starts getting into a bunch of fights with the local 306 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: priest as he's starting his career as a teacher. Kind 307 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: Of a lot of this starts when he decides he 308 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: wants to change the starting time for Sunday school classes, 309 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: which is, you know, a part of the school teacher's job, 310 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: and the local priest gets really angry and it gets 311 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: him in trouble with his bosses all that stuff. So 312 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: in nineteen oh seven, his kind of reflexive need to 313 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: sort of, I don't know, resist authority causes problems for 314 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: him again because he he has to do his year 315 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: of compulsory military service, which all german Men have to 316 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: do in this period of time. Kind of when you're 317 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: a young adult you have to at some point you 318 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: have some flexibilities to win, but you have to go 319 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: spend a year working as a soldier so that when 320 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: it's time to do a World War one they can 321 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: call everybody up and have them go, you know, do 322 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: a World War one. And he's terrible at this. Like 323 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: his leaders, his officers notice that he like can't be controlled. Basically, 324 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: he winds up going to jail for several days because 325 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: like a guy in the lunch Tint makes fun of him, 326 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: and he just beats the absolute piss out of this dude. 327 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: So his superiors are like, this is not a guy, 328 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: like because he's a school teacher. They were considering, you know, 329 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: sending him to officer school. But they're like, wow, this guy. 330 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: We can't have this guy do anything, right, He's just 331 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: not like a reliable soldier. So nineteen oh yeah, loose 332 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: cannon kind of an asshole, right, He's just kind of 333 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: a giant dick. So nineteen oh eight he goes back 334 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: to teaching, and then the next year he gets in 335 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: trouble when a priest visits his class and says something 336 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,239 Speaker 1: that Julius disagrees with. So Striker kind of like they 337 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: have this big confrontation, maybe it's kind of gets close 338 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: to blows and he forces the priest to leave, which 339 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: gets him in trouble with the church again, and he's 340 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: like pushed out of that town and eventually like comes 341 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: to find a teaching position in the biggest city near him, 342 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: which is Nuremberg. This is a good thing for him 343 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: because like he doesn't really like the Catholic Church. He's 344 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: pissed at how much of a role they have in 345 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: teaching people. And in Nuremberg there's a lot of Protestants 346 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: and also you know, a growing number of people who 347 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: aren't particularly religious at all, who are like why are 348 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: schools run by the Catholic Church? Like this maybe shouldn't 349 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: be the way that we do things and are in 350 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: our new modern Germany that's supposed to have some degree 351 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: of pluralism in it, like why are they in charge 352 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 1: of this? And so he gets along really well with 353 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: his boss in Nuremberg, he starts to like find some success, 354 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, teaching in Nuremberg. You know, it's this kind 355 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: of interesting place in the early nineteen hundreds, it had 356 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 1: been like majority Protestant up until the turn of the century, 357 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: and that a bunch of Catholics had moved in along 358 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: with eight thousand or so Jewish Germans. And it's one 359 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: of those things I just talked about how racist his 360 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: upbringing was, But at this period of time in his life, 361 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: there's no evidence from any of his writings at the 362 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: time that he had any particular negative interactions with any 363 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: of his fellow citizens who were Jewish, that he had 364 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: any particular issue. In fact, he seems to have kind 365 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: of been a progressive leftist early on when he moves 366 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: in for the time what you'd call that. When he 367 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: moves to Nuremberg, he sort of was interested in the 368 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: Social Democratic Party, but at that time the government forbade 369 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: state employees from being Social Democrats, so he joined the 370 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: Democrat Party, which was kind of like the center slightly 371 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: liberal option at the time, right, and the Democratic Party's 372 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: primary goal was to end clerical supervision in the schools, right, 373 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 1: like their big campaign sort of like issue was like, 374 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 1: maybe we don't have priests running all of our schools. 375 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: So Striker was, you know, into this. He joins and 376 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: at some of these early meetings he's doing, he starts 377 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: like speaking up and eventually like actually giving speeches, and 378 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of one of those things he doesn't have 379 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 1: as a teacher. He's got some experience being up in 380 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: front of an audience, but the first time he gets 381 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: up in front of an audience at a party meeting 382 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: and starts like you know, teaching, kind of going on 383 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: a little bit of a rant about why he doesn't 384 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: like priests being in charge in the schools. He's kind 385 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: of electrifying. Like people, all of the people running this 386 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: party are like, this guy's actually really good at this, 387 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: and so they're like, hey, Julius, what if we had you? 388 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: But what if we hired you in basically as like 389 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: a regular speaker. So you know, when we have party meetings, 390 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: when we're doing like vote drives and stuff to bring 391 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: in more folks to raise money, we can just have 392 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: you get up on stage and start, you know, doing 393 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: your thing. And so that's how he starts. That's like 394 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: kind of the birth of this guy's political experience is 395 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: he's just kind of like has this natural gift. And 396 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: in this period, you got to remember, people don't have 397 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: radios really, you know, I think they exist, but not 398 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: a lot of folks really are are listening to the radio. 399 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: There's certainly no television. One of the primary methods of 400 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: entertainment is just like at night, you hear like, oh, 401 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: this party's doing a thing and they've got some guys 402 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: given speeches, and it's kind of like it's almost like 403 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: go into a comedy show or something or going to 404 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: a concert, right, you know. 405 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 4: Just when you give you a house and listen to 406 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 4: them or yeah, pook about stuff that sounds pretty interesting. 407 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's usually beer. You know, I think from what 408 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: I've heard, like the cost of attending, because these are 409 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: fundraisers for parties too, is usually about the cost of 410 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: a pint of beer, so it's not that pricey. Working 411 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: class people and afford it. Sometimes there's free food, there's 412 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, it's just like it's kind 413 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: of how you go and spend your nights. It's a 414 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 1: big cultural thing, right, And he just kind of feels 415 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: as he starts giving these speeches and this is sort 416 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: of where you get the problematic elements he the way 417 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: he interprets, you know, it is like you you do 418 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: something you've never done before, and you have kind of 419 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: a knack for it, and you feel like, oh, wow, 420 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: maybe this is a thing I should like work more on. 421 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: That's kind of speaking for him, But instead of just 422 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: being like, yeah, I've got a knack for this, he 423 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: decides that there's this inner voice guiding him, right, Like 424 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: there's this uh yeah, almost spiritual presence inside him that 425 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: he feels as like teaching him how to how to 426 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: speak to these crowds. And you know, the other problematic 427 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: aspect of this is that like he just kind of 428 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: like reflexively. One of the ways he tries to get 429 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 1: the audience on his side is by like going on 430 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: rants about Jewish people. And he does. He you know, 431 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: he's made just like some side jokes. It's not really 432 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: the focus of anything, but he notices that, like the 433 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: Jewish people in the audience aren't laughing when he's making 434 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: racist jokes. Yeah, funny that, And you know, one of 435 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: the folks that he's like working with in this party 436 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: kind of pulls him aside after one of his speeches 437 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: and says, and this is how Striker related it. Later, Striker, 438 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: let me give you some advice. I work in a 439 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: Jewish firm. I've learned to be silent at times when 440 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: my German heart gladly would have spoken, And often I 441 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: speak when I would rather be silent. The Jews are 442 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: few in number, but great in the economic and political 443 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: power they have achieved, and their power is dangerous. You, 444 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: my dear Striker, are still young and cocky, and don't 445 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: mince words. I'll but never forget what I'm telling you. 446 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: The Jews have great power, and that power is dangerous, 447 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: very dangerous. Now you might note that this was again, 448 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: this is something he relates this speech, you know, decades later, 449 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: when he's a powerful Nazi, this almost certainly didn't happen. 450 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: Part of how we can tell that is like, at 451 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: no point does anyone stop him from having a career 452 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: as like a speaker and a racist. You know, there 453 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be any sort of like pushback that 454 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: he actually encounters here. So that's more interesting because that's 455 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: how he chooses to like kind of frame his uh, 456 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: his upbringing. Later. 457 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Germany was hardly like a place where 458 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 4: you couldn't be outspokenly anti semi back then. 459 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 1: The Kaiser was right, Yeah, like, yeah, I don't think 460 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: nobody's getting like canceled in uh in nineteen ten Germany 461 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: for being a little bit racist, you know. 462 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was a free for all, you know. 463 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're you're good, You're you're you're fine doing that. Uh. 464 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: It's like a stand up comedy in the nineteen nineties, 465 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: you know, like there's no rules, you can go be 466 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: Andrew Dice Clay anyway. So the next year, our boy 467 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: Jewels got married to a woman who had the I've 468 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: never heard this first name before, Kunigund. Yeah, no, I 469 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: haven't heard it before. Interesting name. And her dad she 470 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: comes from. He kind of marries up right, like her 471 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: dad's upper middle class. He's like a business owner, whereas 472 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: his dad's kind of like a teacher, which teachers don't 473 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: make a lot of money then or now. And they, 474 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, are going want to get to work making babies, 475 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: you know, creating more Germans. But before they can, a 476 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: historic event occurs that would drastically increase the need for 477 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: additional German babies, World War One. So that kind of 478 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: gets in the way. He's kind of on the way 479 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: up in his life, right, his career as a teachers 480 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: doing good. He's just gotten married. And then, like a 481 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: lot of young men his age, this is a pretty 482 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: universal experience, the war interrupts things. And this is actually 483 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: one of the areas in which he's really different from Hitler, right, 484 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: because he's doing really well and then the war hits 485 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: and he's got to like disrupt his life to go 486 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: fight in it. Hitler's a fucking disaster, and then World 487 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: War One kind of saves him, right, It gives him 488 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: something to like, uh, focus his life around. Yeah, he's 489 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: a shit painter. He's making these terrible little postcards in Munich, 490 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: and then he gets to go, uh do something that 491 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: he has an aptitude for. But that is also like, 492 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, Julius, this is more of a disruption for him. 493 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: But Julius also is one of these guys who finds 494 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: out he's kind of got a knack for this. He's 495 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: one of these fellas you hear about people like this. 496 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: Sometimes there's this difference between garrison soldiers and combat soldiers, right. 497 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: A garrison soldier is like a guy who can handle 498 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: the politics and the sort of like the bullshit that 499 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: you have to eat when you're just like a regular 500 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: soldier at peacetime on base and you've got to deal 501 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: with like, you know, kind of warming your way through 502 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: the hierarchy and sort of like making shit work within 503 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: the kind of bureaucratic organization that is an army, Right, 504 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: But when it comes time to act actually like shoot 505 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: people in a trench, you know, and fight. Different folks 506 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: are good at that, who in a lot of cases 507 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't be very good at just like sitting at a 508 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: base at peacetime and dealing with the bureaucracy of the army. 509 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: And Striker is one of those guys, right. He's terrible 510 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: in peacetime as a soldier. His officers like can't get 511 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: him to do anything properly, But as soon as he 512 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: starts getting into gunfights, he's really good at it. And 513 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: he loves combat. He is a frontline trooper, and he's 514 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: one of these guys who war seems to like activate 515 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: something within him. He not only like after his baptism 516 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: of fire. He's not one of these guys who is 517 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: considers him self traumatized by war. He's not one of 518 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: these guys who finds the trenches to be a bad place, 519 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: and in fact, he starts volunteering for more combat duty. 520 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: He's like, as soon as he gets a taste of fighting, 521 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: he's like, I want more of this shit, Like put 522 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: me in coach, I'm ready to go. So he does 523 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: well enough that in nineteen fifteen he gets made an 524 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: officer candidate. You know, in peacetime they're like, this guy 525 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: cannot be given any kind of responsibility, and then at 526 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: war they're like, actually, this guy's exactly the guy, the 527 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: dude we need. Yeah, he has no instinct for self preservation. 528 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: So in nineteen sixteen Romania declares for the Allies. Everyone's 529 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: kind of expecting, you know, in World War there's this 530 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: stalemate at the trenches, and then Romania, who's kind of 531 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: like stuck in Germany's flank if you look on a map, 532 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,479 Speaker 1: is like, we're going with the Allies, and there's this 533 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: big hope on behalf of the Allies that'll it'll cause 534 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: a breakthrough, you know, in this this Steymide situation. It 535 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: does not do that, because the Germans take this really 536 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: tiny chunk of their army and just absolutely pants the 537 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: Roman Romanian military, like within a couple of weeks they've 538 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: conquered the country, and Striker is a part of the 539 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: German Army that gets sort of diverted from the Western 540 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: Front to go take over Romania, which gives him his 541 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: first taste of like comprehensive victory. Right, this is a 542 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: really good moment for the German army. Part of why 543 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: this sort of like we got stabbed in the back 544 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: lost cos myth is going to start up later is 545 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: because a lot of these soldiers they have this victory 546 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: in Romania and then this victory on the Eastern Front 547 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: against Russia, and it doesn't feel to them like they 548 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: could have possibly lost the war later, Right, we were 549 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: just winning everywhere? What happened? Yeah, so you know, Jake 550 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways are conquering Romania was signing 551 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: the advertisers who support this podcast. They're exactly yeah, it's 552 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: exactly the same. We are the conquering German Imperial Army 553 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: marching into Bucharest to try and take its oil fields. 554 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: But with I don't know, a food box company or something. Anyway, 555 00:29:54,720 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: here's the ads deal with it. Ah, We're back Jake. 556 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: So nineteen sixteen, he goes into Romania, has a great win, 557 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: and in general, his army career is going good. During 558 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: the war. He has one issue, which is that in 559 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: nineteen sixteen, he assaults an army medic based on some 560 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: stuff he'll do later. I think it might have been 561 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,479 Speaker 1: because the guy was trying to vaccinate him and he 562 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: didn't want that to happen. He's going to publish a 563 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: bunch of vaccine related conspiracy theories later when he gets 564 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: his newspaper. We don't know entirely why he like fights 565 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: with this medic, but I think there's a decent chance 566 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: it's related to that. It's just kind of the only 567 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: recurrent conflict that he has with medical personnel in his life. 568 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: But other than that, his service record is really good. 569 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: By nineteen eighteen, he's back in France. You know, there's 570 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: one last attempt by the Germans to break through the 571 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: enemy lines doesn't quite work out for him. Kaiser abdicates, 572 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: the German militaries demobilized. World War One is over. This 573 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: should have been a good time, because you know, it 574 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: seemed like a bad thing. But as a guy who 575 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: loved the war, Striker does not take this really well. 576 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: And again his perspective is we won every battle. We 577 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: were in you know, when when they declare the armistice, 578 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: I'm still standing on French soil. How could we lose everything? 579 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 3: Right? 580 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: How could that be the And you know a lot 581 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: of German soldiers are going to feel yeah, way, yeah, yeah. 582 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 3: It's kind of what led well set the groundwork for 583 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 3: World War Two, right, yeah. 584 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: And I don't know, Jake, this is something I think 585 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: about a lot, like the like my gut, just as 586 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: a person who doesn't like to see people die in 587 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: war is like, well, yeah. 588 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 3: You're so soft. 589 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, get more like Striker, Get more like Striker. Well, 590 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, if someone had come to 591 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: me in World War One had been like you should 592 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: we do like an armistice with the Germans, yeah, I'd 593 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, whatever, it stops the killing. This is 594 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: fucking awful. But because of that, the like there's the 595 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: and because like Ludendorf and Hindenberg, who are the generals 596 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: in charge, are able to like they don't want to admit, 597 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: yeah we lost the British and the French and the 598 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: Americans and you know and whatnot. They fought us to 599 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: the point where like we were about to break and 600 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: we had this we had to give up, otherwise the 601 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: entire army would have shattered, you know, which would have 602 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: been a calamity for us. They can't admit that, so 603 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: they're like, no, the government stabbed us in the back. 604 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: We were about to win and then they took it 605 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: from us. And so does that mean like the ethical 606 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: thing would have been like no, no, no, we're not 607 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: negotiating this. We're gonna fight you guys until you break 608 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: and surrender unconditionally, like, which is like what that is 609 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: the that is like a moral question that the leaders 610 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: of the Allied countries take with them into World War Two, 611 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: which is why part of why it's such a fucking 612 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: ugly fight and so much like there's this understanding then 613 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: that like, well now maybe we have to just break 614 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: the fuckers. I don't know, like what moral lesson to 615 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: take out of that. 616 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like total brutality. 617 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, is that like the justified thing to do? 618 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: Like morally does it save more lives in the long run? 619 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna guess most people are broadly familiar with, 620 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: like you know what goes down next? In Germany, there's 621 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: this immediate wave of like failed rebellions and pushes on 622 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: the left and right. There's like a number of points 623 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: in which like some right wing or some left wing 624 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: group will try to take over a city or a 625 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: whole region of the country. And you know when this happens, 626 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: when this is like communists or other kinds of leftists 627 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: to try to like overthrow and establish their own sort 628 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: of governments and parts of Germany, the kind of forming 629 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: state winds up relying a lot on sort of ad 630 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: hoc groups of right wing military veterans who form militia 631 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: units and go in and just start killing people, right Like, 632 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: That's that's how some of these things get put down, 633 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: And so you start to get this sort of culture 634 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: of we've got these right wing veterans groups, you know, 635 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: with guns, who are here to like fight the left. 636 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: You know, it really starts as soon as the war ends. 637 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: And obviously alongside this you've got the economy collapsing, prices 638 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: for everything skyrocketing, and this is all put on the 639 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: new democratic government of vymar who has to spend several 640 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: years trying to wrestle Germany into being a vaguely functional state. 641 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: It's a hard gig being a democratic politician in vymar In, 642 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: like nineteen nineteen one of the worst jobs anybody could 643 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: ever get, right, like just trying to trying to make 644 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: Germany work in this period of time. It's a real bummer. 645 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really interesting period though you don't hear 646 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 4: oh yeah, enough about like the run up, do you 647 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 4: know what I mean? And it's really interesting time. I 648 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 4: mean yeah, like very very early doors chaos. 649 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have to like have some respect for 650 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: the kind of moral courage, and a lot of them 651 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: get assassinated. Of these early Weimar politicians who are like 652 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: trying to make a because the Czar or not Czar, 653 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: the Kaiser as soon as you know, he loses flees, 654 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: he winds up and fucking Belgium, I think, and these 655 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: generals basically start pretending like, oh, we didn't lose the war. 656 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: It was like and you're you as some like you know, 657 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: elected Social Democratic leader because the Socdems sort of like 658 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: are the first big party in power in Viimar. You're 659 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: like trying to deal with the consequences of all of 660 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: these like shitty Kaiser dudes, like the Kaiser and his 661 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: generals who had just kind of ruined the country and 662 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 1: then bounced. So I don't know, yeah, it's there's something 663 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: honorable about trying to do that, but it doesn't work, 664 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: you know. Uh, that is the broad story. So Julius 665 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: at this point he had been kind of maybe a 666 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: little bit on the liberal side of things. You know, 667 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: he was certainly not a leftists, but kind of like 668 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: flirting with some center left ideas before World War One. 669 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: But by the time he gets back from the front, 670 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: he is very much into right wing politics. 671 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 3: You know. 672 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: A lot of that is there's this this feeling of 673 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: like the brotherhood of the trenches, and the right is 674 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: really successful at sort of talking to these veterans, at 675 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: telling them that like they were betrayed and they were 676 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: betrayed by these social democrats. And so, you know, he 677 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: takes up work as a teacher again, but he also 678 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: joins a local anti Semitic political organization. It's kind of 679 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: like a militia that is blaming a lot of Germany's 680 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: post war problems on the Jews. That's called the Protective 681 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: and Defensive Society. It sounds better in German. Yeah, tons 682 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: of every town's got a bunch of them. Now, Striker 683 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: is still kind of you would say, probably like naive 684 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: enough that he anti Semitic politics are very new to him, 685 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: so he's initially kind of just a spectator. He'll show 686 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: up at these speeches or at these political events. He'll 687 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: listen to speeches by people, and like the folks who 688 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: are speaking at events for the Protective and Defensive Society 689 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: and other kind of anti Semitic political organizations are often 690 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: quoting from and recommending very specific books right and to Striker, 691 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: the most influential of these books, the ones that he 692 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 1: like buys a copy of and reads and becomes enthralled by, 693 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: is called Handbook of the Jewish Question, and it's by 694 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: a fellow named Theodore Fritch. Now Old Theo was a journalist. 695 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: A lot of the early German anti Semites are journalists, right, 696 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,439 Speaker 1: who in the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds work 697 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: for newspapers or published books that are like quote unquote investigations, 698 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,399 Speaker 1: you know, into various racist conspiracies. An Old Theo he's 699 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: kind of active at the end of the eighteen hundreds, 700 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: you know. And he's basically he's like one generation or 701 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: so earlier than Julie, and he's Prussian. He'd been a 702 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 1: farmer's kid in the nineteenth century. He's one of these guys, 703 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: like he has seven brothers and sisters, and four of 704 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: them die before they get to adulthood. He winds up 705 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: working in a machine shop as kind of Germany transitions 706 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: to an industrial economy, and in his late twenties he 707 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: saved up enough money that he like he founds a 708 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: publishing firm and they start by making technical manuals, and 709 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: then as soon as they make enough money selling like 710 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: technical manuals to companies, he starts putting out a newsletter 711 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: called Anti Semitic Correspondence. Some great titles in this episode, 712 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: just like racism Letters again, Yeah, quite a title, right there, Frinch, Yeah, yeah, 713 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: but they were very much of the show not tell 714 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: you know, sort of Arabat then. 715 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:55,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was more subtle than that, yeah, right, like, yes, 716 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 5: they hadn't figured out how to like put a shine 717 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 5: on it yet, right. 718 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 3: Yeah. 719 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: But Fritch is you know, he's a groundbreaking racist, right, 720 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: He's with his first generation of like political anti Semites. 721 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: He loves Friedrich Nietzsche and he actually, once he starts 722 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: putting out his Anti Semitic Correspondence magazine, he sends Nietzsche 723 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: copies every time he puts out a new edition, and 724 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,280 Speaker 1: Nietzsche not a fan of this shit. 725 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 3: Y Like, for for. 726 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,959 Speaker 1: Months he's just like these letters, like what the fuck? 727 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: Why am I getting this? Did I sign up for 728 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: this when I was drunk or some ship, Like, I'm 729 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: not paying for this. 730 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 4: SAMI has been like misunderstood by basically everyone ever mine, 731 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 4: Like every group can just be like, yeah, it's ycha. 732 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 3: No. 733 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: Like the shortcut to knowing someone is not talking properly 734 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: about Nietzsche is them saying like I find Nietzsche really inspiring. 735 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 3: Yeah right, they're doing it wrong. I hope that. 736 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's it's very funny because Nietzsche eventually gets 737 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: so frustrated at getting all of these fucking letters that 738 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: he responds and he he kind of being Friedrich Nietzsche. 739 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: He responds in this kind of caddy way where he's like, 740 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: thank you for giving me a glance at the muddle 741 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,720 Speaker 1: of principles that lie at the heart of this strange movement. 742 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: Please never send me another fucking letter. I will hurt 743 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: you if you do, like like threatens him basically, like 744 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: it's nice to see how weird you people are. Stop 745 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: fucking talking to me too. Yeah, yeah, that's the right, 746 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: Like he's pretty unequivocal, like fucking stay away from me. 747 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, he actually, like he wrote quite a lot. 748 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 4: I think maybe in I forget what maybe the early 749 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 4: part before he wrote like quite extensively on like really 750 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 4: being against anti Semitism. It's I remember reading about it, 751 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 4: and a lot of people will have to be like, well, 752 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 4: Hitler liked him. It's like, yeah, Hitler like dogs, dogs 753 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 4: are still good. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 754 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's kind of like, I don't know, 755 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: like we could. I think the Nietzsche of the modern 756 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: day is like, let let let's say Warhammer, right. A 757 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: lot of Nazis into it, a lot of the people 758 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: who write exactly but it's so cool. Yeah, but it's fine. Yeah. 759 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 1: So Fritch wrote Handbook of the Jewish Question, this book 760 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: that our buddy Julius is going to fall in love 761 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: with in eighteen ninety three, which is, you know, if 762 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: you're talking about the Holocaust, you hear the term the 763 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: Jewish Question an awful lot. That word is in use 764 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,760 Speaker 1: way before the Nazis come to power, right, and Handbook 765 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: of the Jewish Question is you would call it like 766 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: a groundbreaking work of racism for its era. Fritch is 767 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: going to say a lot of things in this book 768 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: that become the cornerstone of Nazi politics. He demands a 769 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: return to what he calls traditional peasant values. He rails 770 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: against urbanization. He talks a lot about the superiority of 771 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: the Aryan race. And you know, he also one of 772 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: the things that's interesting about the handbook, there's ways in 773 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: which it kind of reminds me of like certain things 774 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: on the Internet today, and that it's a it's a 775 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 1: living document. So he doesn't just put out this book 776 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,399 Speaker 1: and like this is the book. It's done. Every like year, 777 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: he'll add more to it. He'll update it when things happen, 778 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: right like as shit happens in the world that he 779 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: thinks plays into these conspiracies, He'll do an update of 780 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: the book. I want to quote from a write up 781 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: by Martin Kitchen in the Journal of Anti Semitism Studies 782 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: describing this book. At the time, sundry financial crises from 783 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 1: the Berlin Stock Exchange collapse in eighteen seventy three to 784 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: the Great Depression were blamed on Jewish manipulation. Germany's defeat 785 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,760 Speaker 1: in the First World War and the subsequent peace agreements 786 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: were seen as the result of a Franco Jewish conspiracy. 787 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: Germany is presented as the sole stronghold against a world 788 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: Jewish conspiracy, thereby combining radical anti Semitism with a virulent nationalism, which, 789 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: for all its threadbare scholarship and muddled thinking, was to 790 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: provide the foundations of national socialist racial studies. So that's good. 791 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,359 Speaker 4: It's interesting to all that, like all of this shit 792 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,359 Speaker 4: was not just I mean, obviously, but it wasn't just 793 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 4: this brainchild of Hitler and his goons. Now, it was like, yeah, 794 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 4: very prevalent from very many different groups. 795 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, And that's how you get as far 796 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 1: as we can tell, Hitler's radicalization, like him getting too 797 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: because he becomes keyed into anti Semitic politics before he 798 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: gets like kind of explicitly into like actually like right 799 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: wing political stuff. He's brought into that through racism. And 800 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,320 Speaker 1: probably the thing that pills him is these basically pieces 801 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 1: of books like like Handbook on the Jewish Question, get 802 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: like mimiographed and hand it out on the street, as 803 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: like zines in pre World War One, you know, Germany, 804 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: it really is a lot like like modern zine culture 805 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 1: right where you just kind of have. You've got some 806 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,280 Speaker 1: like weirdos who get really into you know, racism or whatever. 807 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: It's not always racism, sometimes it's cool shit, but they 808 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 1: like they'll take clips from books that they like and 809 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,399 Speaker 1: they want other people to read, and they'll they'll sort 810 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,359 Speaker 1: of like copy and paste that sort of stuff into 811 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 1: pamphlets handed out on the street. And Hitler, who's basically 812 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: he's a hobo right for a decent chunk of time 813 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,320 Speaker 1: before World War One, he's like homeless on the streets 814 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: of Vienna. He'll just pick up these pamphlets that people 815 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,320 Speaker 1: like toss out when they're out like drinking or stuff. 816 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,839 Speaker 1: You know, they'll hand him out at meetings and then 817 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: he'll like pick them up in the trash, and because 818 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: he's like a doesn't have a whole lot else to do, 819 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 1: he'll like read them, and then when he falls in 820 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 1: love with them, he'll like read them out to folks 821 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 1: at these homeless hostels that he's staying at a bunch 822 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:26,760 Speaker 1: of times. 823 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 4: Well imagine you know, you're homeless and you sat in 824 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,839 Speaker 4: the shelter there with your pennies and Hitler comes in like. 825 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, I have enough problems without a Hitler. 826 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 4: Right, Like, the reason you're here it's not because of this, 827 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,839 Speaker 4: it's because oh my god, yeah it doesn't sound good. 828 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 4: But I mean my point was that, like sometimes you 829 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 4: see people be like, oh well it was it was 830 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 4: just Hitler's charisma that brought people through. I mean, I 831 00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 4: think Hiller's charisma really helped push people toency. But these 832 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 4: ideas were very much there, right. 833 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that's one of the things where like, 834 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 1: obviously the fact that Hitler is Hitler, that he has 835 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: the skills and the talents that he has as a 836 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 1: plays a role in everything. But like Germany, yeah, exactly, 837 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: and Striker is kind of in the same position Hitler 838 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,320 Speaker 1: is at this point where like they are both nineteen nineteen, 839 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty, starting to give kind of like speeches, get 840 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: into politics, and they're both like showing an aptitude for 841 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 1: riling people up, for building movements kind of around themselves. 842 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm getting ahead of myself. So Julius falls 843 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: in love with this racist book and it's one of 844 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 1: this This seems to have been the book that kind 845 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 1: of from this point on, he's not just sort of 846 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,839 Speaker 1: a casual normal anti Semite. He's like a dedicated one 847 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,759 Speaker 1: political anti Semitism becomes sort of the center of his worldview. 848 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,760 Speaker 1: So now that he's been sort of pilled, you might say, 849 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 1: he returns to public speaking. He starts showing up first. 850 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 1: And this is what's interesting to me. He doesn't start 851 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,800 Speaker 1: this new stage of his speaking career by like finding 852 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,760 Speaker 1: a party and then going to like speak at their rallies, 853 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,720 Speaker 1: kind of working his way up from inside a political 854 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: party as a speaker. He starts showing up at left 855 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: wing political rallies and heckling the speakers there and getting 856 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 1: into arguments with them in public. Right, And this is 857 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 1: what kind of makes him famous in Nuremberg, Right, Yeah, 858 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: this is not an unfamiliar tactic today. Right, Like he's 859 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 1: a troll, you know, he's very consciously using that as 860 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: a tactic in order to build a reputation for himself. 861 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: Julius is not only a fun speaker, but he's going 862 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: to like show up wherever, you know, these different leftist 863 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: parties are speaking, and he's going to like hassle their speakers, 864 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: he's going to argue with them. So maybe you show 865 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: up just to watch Julius like make fun of this guy, 866 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: just to watch him get into scraps. You know, a 867 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: lot of times he'll start, it'll start as an argument 868 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: between him and this guy, and then there will be 869 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:50,920 Speaker 1: a big because these are at bars, there will be 870 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 1: a big bar brawl, right, so it's like kind of 871 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,920 Speaker 1: a fun night. Hey, let's you know, Julius is going 872 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 1: to be heckling this guy down at the whatever bar. 873 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,320 Speaker 1: Let's all show up, you know, we'll we'll cheer I'm on, 874 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: and then we'll get into a scrap with the social 875 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,840 Speaker 1: Democrats or the communists or whatever. 876 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 3: You know. 877 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 4: That's kind of well, for every group that does that, 878 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 4: there's going to be a couple that go, actually, this 879 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,720 Speaker 4: guy's onto something exactly. 880 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:14,359 Speaker 3: Shit. 881 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:19,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah too, because like again, people, this is not 882 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 1: a period in which things have solidified. There's a lot 883 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,800 Speaker 1: of folks who go from communists to fascist or fascist 884 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,760 Speaker 1: to communist during this sort of period of time because 885 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,359 Speaker 1: they all kind of feel, well, what we're doing, like 886 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: the government isn't working right, but I don't know what, 887 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm on board with I can be convinced. 888 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,320 Speaker 1: And you know, Julius by being this really kind of 889 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,360 Speaker 1: charismatic guy who's just sort of like making fun of 890 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 1: speakers who are less apt than he is at commanding 891 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,440 Speaker 1: a room. He's building a following for himself, and he's 892 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 1: building support for his kind of politics in Nuremberg, so yeah, 893 00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: that's cool. He becomes basically a local celebrity doing this, 894 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, he's a trigger the Libs 895 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,919 Speaker 1: kind of guy. That's how he starts out. Starts out, 896 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,600 Speaker 1: and he decides at a certain point once he's sort 897 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,239 Speaker 1: of become this guy that people people will show up 898 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,399 Speaker 1: at other political party events just to see Julius. When 899 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: he feels like he's got enough of a following, he announces, 900 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: he puts out like flyers and stuff that he's going 901 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,319 Speaker 1: to be giving a dedicated speech himself. And at this 902 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 1: speech that he does thousands, by the way, two to 903 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,759 Speaker 1: four thousand something like that, people show up just to 904 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,800 Speaker 1: see him give this speech, he announces that he's become 905 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,840 Speaker 1: a converted political anti Semite. This causes a bunch of 906 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,840 Speaker 1: right wing political parties to start vuying for his membership 907 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 1: because he's a free agent. Right This is kind of 908 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: like you've I don't know, I don't know about baseball 909 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: to draw a baseball comparison here, but you can you 910 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,880 Speaker 1: can do it at home. He's this like he's really good. 911 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 1: He's and everybody is kind of like, if we can 912 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 1: get Julius, you know, that might be the thing that 913 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 1: makes our party go national. You know, we get this 914 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,919 Speaker 1: guy on our team. Yeah, he's the live wire. Yeah 915 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: he's still he's the straw that stirs the drink. Yeah exactly. Yeah, 916 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,920 Speaker 1: he's the he's the he's the fucking messy of racism. 917 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 3: Right. 918 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 1: So, of all these parties kind of vying for his membership, 919 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,359 Speaker 1: the one he picks is the German Socialist Party, which, 920 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,320 Speaker 1: despite its name, the German Socialist Party is a conservative party, 921 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,920 Speaker 1: and they're they're into what are called Volcish, which is 922 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 1: like folk yeah, values, right, and most the DSP is 923 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: not anti Semitism is not a core plank of the 924 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,480 Speaker 1: German Socialist Party, but most members are anti Semitic, and 925 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,800 Speaker 1: so while the party doesn't have a platform on the 926 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 1: Jewish question, Striker feels like, well, I can get that added, right, 927 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 1: this is a place where I can grow. I can 928 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,880 Speaker 1: kind of remake this party in my image in some ways. 929 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,360 Speaker 1: So he helps them run a cast of candidates in 930 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: that year's election. They don't do very well. They get 931 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: basically zero votes nationally and only like one percent to Nuremberg. 932 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 1: But Striker kind of crucially doesn't give up. He's sort 933 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: of analyzes accurately what the weakness of the DSP is 934 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,279 Speaker 1: and he decides that it's that they do not have 935 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 1: a dedicated propaganda arm. And in the Vimar era, the 936 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,880 Speaker 1: only way to make a propaganda arm is to establish 937 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,799 Speaker 1: a newspaper. And I want to talk a little bit 938 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,080 Speaker 1: about what a newspaper is in this period of time, 939 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,640 Speaker 1: because today you hear a newspaper, you think like, oh, 940 00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,080 Speaker 1: it's a publication that tells you either locally or nationally 941 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 1: or internationally the news, like what's going on, and you 942 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,400 Speaker 1: know you're gonna get some columns on culture and stuff. 943 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,520 Speaker 1: When we think about newspapers in vymar Germany, it's probably 944 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,640 Speaker 1: better to see them as like social media, right, Like 945 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,200 Speaker 1: a newspaper is more like for a political party especially, 946 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 1: it's more like how today if you're running a political 947 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,440 Speaker 1: party or political advocacy group, your your organization is going 948 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,200 Speaker 1: to have They're going to have a YouTube channel maybe 949 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,239 Speaker 1: where they have some creators put out videos. They're going 950 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,240 Speaker 1: to have like a Twitter account. That is kind of 951 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,520 Speaker 1: how newspapers work in Vimar and I you know, one 952 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,080 Speaker 1: of the things that kind of highlights this is that 953 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 1: when Julius gets more famous, multiple left wing groups will 954 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,880 Speaker 1: start newspapers. Just then the whole purpose of the newspaper 955 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 1: is updating folks on Julius Striker and attacking him right, 956 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: sort of in the same way that like you'll have 957 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: a Twitter account that's just like tracking what this one 958 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,080 Speaker 1: group of right wingers are doing, or this like one 959 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,279 Speaker 1: political folk that people don't like, you know, it'll be 960 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 1: dedicated to them. You know, You've got a whole account 961 00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,239 Speaker 1: that's just people covering Trump's legal you know, woes on 962 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 1: Twitter or whatever. That's the time to how newspapers work. 963 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually a really good way of putting it. 964 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,400 Speaker 4: One I've never really thought about before. I read a 965 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,160 Speaker 4: while ago like history of like newspaper news media, and yeah, 966 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,960 Speaker 4: it was it's ironic now that like everyone has a 967 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,320 Speaker 4: you know, slight political leaning or a strong political leaning 968 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,359 Speaker 4: or whatever. It's ironic that like, yeah, it's kind of 969 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,279 Speaker 4: not really changed in that respect. Yeah, what I'm saying, 970 00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,480 Speaker 4: obviously it's different now, but it started like that and 971 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,680 Speaker 4: it's almost come full Sirkuena with all this chaos that 972 00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 4: we're seeing. 973 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's fascinating in that huh. Yeah, and there 974 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,000 Speaker 1: are you know. I'm actually just going to quote from 975 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,040 Speaker 1: a write up by the US Holocaust Museum on the 976 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,080 Speaker 1: state of the news media in Weimar, Germany. Over forty 977 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,480 Speaker 1: seven hundred daily and weekly newspapers were published annually in Germany, 978 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 1: more newspapers than in any other industrialized nation, with a 979 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: total circulation of twenty five million. Although Berlin was the 980 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,960 Speaker 1: press capital, small town presses dominated newspapers circulation. Eighty one 981 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,719 Speaker 1: percent of all German newspapers are locally owned. And when 982 00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,319 Speaker 1: we talk about these these local newspapers, that's what we're 983 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 1: talking about is shit like these little papers where it's 984 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 1: like I'm going to make a newspaper I don't like 985 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,799 Speaker 1: this guy. I'm going to make a newspaper dedicated to 986 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,160 Speaker 1: this guy I hate, you know, Like it's that kind 987 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,840 Speaker 1: of shit a lot of the time. So basically, while 988 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,960 Speaker 1: the most famous papers are newspapers that are like you know, 989 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,600 Speaker 1: traditional newspapers or magazines or whatever, the majority of papers, 990 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,919 Speaker 1: by number are just like some weirdo with a very 991 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:02,000 Speaker 1: specific acts to grind in some cases, this again means like, yeah, 992 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,680 Speaker 1: Striker's going to do this right, Like this is what 993 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,920 Speaker 1: he decides his party's missing. So he establishes his first newspaper. 994 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,440 Speaker 1: It's called Deutsche Socialist, you know, German Socialists, because that's 995 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 1: the name of the party. And he had been kind 996 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,120 Speaker 1: of he used their funding to start this newspaper, and 997 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,320 Speaker 1: they wanted a traditional political party paper. But Julius immediately 998 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,319 Speaker 1: goes in his own direction. And I'm going to quote 999 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 1: from his biographer Randall bite Work here. His goal was 1000 00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,360 Speaker 1: to provide short articles in simple language that explained to 1001 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,040 Speaker 1: a popular audience the intricacies of politics and economics. As 1002 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,920 Speaker 1: he reported to the August nineteen twenty dsp National Meeting, gentlemen, 1003 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,360 Speaker 1: let us not forget that we want to speak primarily 1004 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,919 Speaker 1: to the workers. Brevity is the seasoning. The contents must 1005 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,719 Speaker 1: have a popular style. His lead article in newspaper's first 1006 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,280 Speaker 1: issue is a good example of his early writing. Addressed 1007 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,319 Speaker 1: to communists and socialists, It began by saluting them as brothers. Yes, 1008 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,800 Speaker 1: you are brothers, German mothers boor you wan German soil 1009 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,680 Speaker 1: the same German blas blood flows in our veins. We 1010 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,160 Speaker 1: and you have nothing to lose but everything to gain. 1011 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,320 Speaker 1: We have the same desire to escape our present misery 1012 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,520 Speaker 1: as fast as possible. We want the same solutions. We 1013 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 1: too want our part of German soil, a small lot 1014 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,759 Speaker 1: with a small garden, just like so many others of 1015 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,320 Speaker 1: our race. It is the right of being born a German, 1016 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,000 Speaker 1: and we want to be free of the yousurious yoke 1017 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,239 Speaker 1: of big money. Later in the article, Striker turned to 1018 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,680 Speaker 1: the Jews. Do you really think the Rothschilds, Mendelssohns, black Rotors, 1019 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,080 Speaker 1: war Burgs and Cones worry about your poverty. As long 1020 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,920 Speaker 1: as the blood brothers of the Mendelssohns and the blike 1021 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,319 Speaker 1: Rotors and the Cones are your leaders, As long as 1022 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 1: your party officials are Jewish lackeys, you will be no 1023 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,520 Speaker 1: threat to the big money men. As long as you 1024 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,440 Speaker 1: yourself do not lead the way, and as long as 1025 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,000 Speaker 1: the black shadow of foreign blood is behind you, you 1026 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,840 Speaker 1: will be betrayed and deceived. The black shadow cares for itself, 1027 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,480 Speaker 1: not for you. And he's talking about there is like 1028 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,319 Speaker 1: this idea that the German army had been betrayed right 1029 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,239 Speaker 1: by Jewish people who are foreigners. They're not really oil 1030 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,120 Speaker 1: to the state. That's like what he's sort of saying. 1031 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,000 Speaker 1: The black's the black shadow, you know. 1032 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, ritick really is not changed, not much. No, if 1033 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,560 Speaker 4: you think about it, if you if you're talking about 1034 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:12,959 Speaker 4: people that are like pedaling. 1035 00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,480 Speaker 1: Hate, yeah, I guess maybe it never needs to, right, 1036 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,400 Speaker 1: like maybe yeah, yeah, yeah, it's maybe just like the 1037 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,120 Speaker 1: same thing when hate's gonna work, it always kind of 1038 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,080 Speaker 1: works the same way. 1039 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean that's as on the nose as 1040 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,680 Speaker 4: like an out and out modern Danio Nazi. 1041 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,799 Speaker 1: I guess it's absolutely Yeah. I obviously they're you know, 1042 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,759 Speaker 1: following in his footsteps, but uh, you know whose footsteps 1043 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:45,120 Speaker 1: we're following in today? The sponsors No, no, no, the 1044 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,960 Speaker 1: blue apron and and and shit, right, Sophie said, yeah, 1045 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,200 Speaker 1: who we're getting money from today? 1046 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,439 Speaker 2: We're sponsored by HelloFresh. But yeah, close enough. 1047 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:03,000 Speaker 1: We are back, uh, having a good time talking about 1048 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:08,719 Speaker 1: Julius Striker. So Striker's paper starts to do pretty well. 1049 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,440 Speaker 1: It's helping to build a following for the DSP's who's 1050 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,000 Speaker 1: not a big party at this point. But the leaders 1051 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,000 Speaker 1: of the party are kind of a little worried by 1052 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,600 Speaker 1: by this newspaper because for one thing, They're not as 1053 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,959 Speaker 1: motivated by anti Semitism as Julius is, so they try 1054 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,440 Speaker 1: to rain him in, right. And as soon as they 1055 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,879 Speaker 1: try to be like, hey, Julius, you know, maybe maybe 1056 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,279 Speaker 1: we focus a little bit more on you know, politics 1057 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,360 Speaker 1: and a little bit less on racism, they learned the 1058 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,400 Speaker 1: thing that all of these Catholic priests and military officers 1059 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,800 Speaker 1: had learned a few years earlier, which is that Julius 1060 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,600 Speaker 1: Striker does not take direction. 1061 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:42,040 Speaker 3: Right. 1062 00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,279 Speaker 1: You try to tell this guy to do things, and 1063 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,120 Speaker 1: it just pisses him off. And as soon as they 1064 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,880 Speaker 1: try to, like, you know, force him to make changes, 1065 00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,440 Speaker 1: they realize that even though he used their money to 1066 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 1: start this paper, it's his. It's legally his personal property. Right, 1067 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,160 Speaker 1: So they actually can't. Right, It's like he started the YouTube, 1068 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,200 Speaker 1: accare right, Like, yeah, exactly, he's not. He has a 1069 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:09,960 Speaker 1: certain kind of cunning, right, Yes. So this becomes more 1070 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,560 Speaker 1: of a problem as his conspiratorial view of the world 1071 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,600 Speaker 1: expands to include the Jesuits, who he sees as a 1072 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:21,080 Speaker 1: shadowy force running world politics. Again, Nuremberg is a pretty 1073 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:25,120 Speaker 1: heavily Catholic town and or I mean, it's not majority 1074 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,600 Speaker 1: Catholic Bavaria is a lot of Catholics, and Catholics are 1075 00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,160 Speaker 1: kind of like a lot of the core membership of 1076 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,160 Speaker 1: the DSP, and they start leaving, you know, because Catholics 1077 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:39,040 Speaker 1: and Jesuits are, you know, the same thing. And it 1078 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,320 Speaker 1: pisses them off that he's like accusing these people who 1079 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,040 Speaker 1: they respect as being in league with this sort of 1080 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:50,280 Speaker 1: like grand conspiracy. Some like Catholic members of the DSP 1081 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,360 Speaker 1: start sending striker letters basically being like, hey, would you 1082 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,920 Speaker 1: stop like lumping us all in and maybe maybe we 1083 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,439 Speaker 1: don't focus as much as on racism because I might 1084 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,840 Speaker 1: not be as to that. And he like, he writes, 1085 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,720 Speaker 1: this is a very modern thing. He like starts posting 1086 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,600 Speaker 1: pieces of their letters in a column that he writes 1087 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,720 Speaker 1: for the newspaper, making the screen. Yeah right, yeah, he's 1088 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,200 Speaker 1: doing the way it's very modern. 1089 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,600 Speaker 3: Yeah that's crazy. 1090 00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:17,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wild. 1091 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,520 Speaker 3: Right, So what. 1092 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:26,720 Speaker 4: Exactly to do that than like screenshow Like that's bad enough, 1093 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,120 Speaker 4: But to be like now I'm going to cut. 1094 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,600 Speaker 1: This, it's also like you have to admit though, like 1095 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,960 Speaker 1: that's so far ahead of the time, right, he is 1096 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:40,080 Speaker 1: decades ahead of everyone else, an innovator of just being 1097 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,960 Speaker 1: horrible Yeah, so conflicts he starts. You know, he keeps 1098 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,160 Speaker 1: getting in a conflict. He's always in conflict with the 1099 00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,680 Speaker 1: organizers of his parties, you know, because he's his loose cannon. 1100 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,360 Speaker 1: But they also need him because he brings crowds. You know, 1101 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,280 Speaker 1: he's not just making this newspaper, but when he shows up, 1102 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,560 Speaker 1: people show up to listen to him speak who probably 1103 00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:02,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't show up to a party meeting otherwise. So, you know, 1104 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,240 Speaker 1: the paper grows to a few thousand subscribers, and Julius 1105 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,600 Speaker 1: is able to keep his newspaper running at a fraction 1106 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,440 Speaker 1: of the cost that a normal publisher would have required 1107 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,040 Speaker 1: because he has a secret, which is that he does 1108 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,880 Speaker 1: not pay for his newspaper to be printed. He will 1109 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,200 Speaker 1: find a new printer, He'll have them print a couple 1110 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,720 Speaker 1: of episodes or issues and just be like, yeah, the 1111 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,600 Speaker 1: money's coming, the money's coming. The just front us this week, right, 1112 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,720 Speaker 1: then we'll pay you back front us this week. And 1113 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,240 Speaker 1: then as soon as he hits the point where like 1114 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,640 Speaker 1: they're not gonna publish any more papers, he bounces without 1115 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,040 Speaker 1: ever having paid his debts, and he finds a new publisher. 1116 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,160 Speaker 3: Wow, things that must have been so easy. Buck in 1117 00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:37,600 Speaker 3: the diard. 1118 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,080 Speaker 1: Yeah there's no internet, right, just. 1119 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,920 Speaker 4: Like yeah, I'm gone, Yeah, I'm the wind baby. 1120 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you going to do? 1121 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:50,160 Speaker 3: Send a horse? Yeah. 1122 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,520 Speaker 1: So nineteen twenty one, he's kind of sandwiched between this 1123 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,840 Speaker 1: conservative party that needs him but is uncomfortable with how 1124 00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,280 Speaker 1: loudly he says the quiet parts, and you know, that's 1125 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,280 Speaker 1: a tough place to be in. But luckily for him 1126 01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,720 Speaker 1: and unfortunately for everyone else in Europe, the leaders of 1127 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,480 Speaker 1: the DSP are also sort of desperate to find a 1128 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,439 Speaker 1: way to make themselves more electorally viable. And because even 1129 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,280 Speaker 1: with Striker's help, they're not succeeding at becoming like a 1130 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,680 Speaker 1: national movement, they decide to start working with another political 1131 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,360 Speaker 1: party and the interests of like kind of merging together 1132 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,200 Speaker 1: and seeing if that can give them sort of the 1133 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,160 Speaker 1: oomph that they need to go national. And the party 1134 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,200 Speaker 1: that the German Socialist Party starts talking with about a 1135 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,440 Speaker 1: merger is a Munich based right wing party called the 1136 01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:40,960 Speaker 1: German Workers Party. Right, so you've got the socialists and 1137 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,080 Speaker 1: the workers who are looking at merging together to make 1138 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:48,720 Speaker 1: us socialist workers a national socialist workers party, right, you 1139 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,000 Speaker 1: might call it. This is where we get that right. 1140 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,600 Speaker 1: The Nazi Party, the National Socialist German Workers Party comes 1141 01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,200 Speaker 1: out of the German Socialist Party and the German Workers 1142 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,000 Speaker 1: Party merging together. Right, This is this is the the 1143 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:06,320 Speaker 1: Reese's pieces that leads us to the Nazis. So in 1144 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,080 Speaker 1: May of nineteen twenty one, as sort of the leadership 1145 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,919 Speaker 1: of these two groups are talking about merging, one member 1146 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,920 Speaker 1: of the German Workers Party reaches out to Striker directly 1147 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,880 Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, we got this dude named Hitler. 1148 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,640 Speaker 1: He's kind of uru, right, He's our guy who gives speeches. 1149 01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,880 Speaker 1: He's the guy people really like to follow. And you know, 1150 01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,520 Speaker 1: Hitler's interested in this you know, absorbing thing. But like, 1151 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,040 Speaker 1: we have some issues with like the folks who are 1152 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,080 Speaker 1: running our party because Hitler's not This is again Hitler 1153 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,800 Speaker 1: in this period is kind of in a similar situation 1154 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,440 Speaker 1: to Julius, where the German Workers Party is not founded 1155 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,280 Speaker 1: by Hitler. Right, He's actually brought in as a spy 1156 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,520 Speaker 1: by the army, like right after the war. He avoids 1157 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,280 Speaker 1: getting demobilized and winding up without an income by staying 1158 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,520 Speaker 1: in the army, and the thing the army has him 1159 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,920 Speaker 1: do is like spy on right wing political parties in Munich, 1160 01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,320 Speaker 1: and so he shows up at his first German Workers 1161 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,280 Speaker 1: Party meeting basically to like see if their plan to 1162 01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,800 Speaker 1: overthrow the government, and then he gets angry and he 1163 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,160 Speaker 1: starts like getting into arguments and he gives a speech 1164 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,560 Speaker 1: and people are like, you're actually really good at talking. Hitler, 1165 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,040 Speaker 1: And he's similar to Striker in that the dudes who 1166 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,400 Speaker 1: had founded the German Workers Party start to have issues 1167 01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,439 Speaker 1: with him, where they're like, this guy's trying to make 1168 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,160 Speaker 1: our party all about himself and like the things that 1169 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,240 Speaker 1: we got into are kind of getting lost, and he's 1170 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,760 Speaker 1: he's kind of a tyrant, right, And so they're part 1171 01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,040 Speaker 1: of what the German Workers Party is hoping is that 1172 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,120 Speaker 1: by merging with the German Socialist Party they can kind 1173 01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,920 Speaker 1: of marginalize Hitler, right, they can they can take, you know, 1174 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,000 Speaker 1: push him off to the side and just use him 1175 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,280 Speaker 1: for what they think he's good for without letting him 1176 01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:45,640 Speaker 1: run everything. And the German Socialist Party is hoping to 1177 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,000 Speaker 1: do the same thing with Striker, Right, they're both like 1178 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,720 Speaker 1: mirrors of each other in this really weird way, right, 1179 01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:59,520 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, Hitler is not the kind of dude 1180 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,840 Speaker 1: who's going let this happen right, Like he is, he 1181 01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:07,040 Speaker 1: has these kind of like honed political instincts, and he sees, well, 1182 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,800 Speaker 1: these dudes are trying to edge me out of control 1183 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,960 Speaker 1: of the party, right, that's why they want to do this. 1184 01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,240 Speaker 1: So instead of just going ahead with the merger to 1185 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,200 Speaker 1: the German Socialist Party, he resigns from the German Workers 1186 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,920 Speaker 1: Party in July of nineteen twenty one. And this is 1187 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:27,000 Speaker 1: he resigns it because the DAP and the DSP leadership 1188 01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,200 Speaker 1: have worked out an agreement that would give them sort 1189 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,480 Speaker 1: of power over the fewer in the new merged political party. 1190 01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,440 Speaker 1: And Hitler's like, look, I'll take my followers and my 1191 01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,880 Speaker 1: skill for speaking and I'll go somewhere else. I'll make 1192 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,720 Speaker 1: a new party, I'll join another party, and like I'll 1193 01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,320 Speaker 1: fucking crush you guys, Like, that's the option. Do you 1194 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,360 Speaker 1: want to try to like do this without me, or 1195 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,000 Speaker 1: do you want to let me back in and give 1196 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:54,360 Speaker 1: me total control? That's the that's the ultimatum he gives them. 1197 01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,720 Speaker 1: And the leaders of the German Workers Party kind of fold. 1198 01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,600 Speaker 1: You know, they're like well as much which we didn't 1199 01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,120 Speaker 1: want him to be in total control. None of us 1200 01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,280 Speaker 1: know how to like get a following without him, like 1201 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,280 Speaker 1: he's kind of the primary appeal of our party. So 1202 01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,760 Speaker 1: they let him back in and they make him the 1203 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,000 Speaker 1: center of the new German Workers Party, which then merges 1204 01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,880 Speaker 1: with the German Socialist Party. And that is how Adolf 1205 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,200 Speaker 1: Hitler becomes for the first time. You know Hitler, right, 1206 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,200 Speaker 1: this is that's where that comes from. 1207 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:28,800 Speaker 3: He was like the original influencer basically. 1208 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:34,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and yeah. So one of Striker's friends, while 1209 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,520 Speaker 1: this is all going down, sends him a warning letter 1210 01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,720 Speaker 1: being like, hey guys, or hey hey Julius. You know, 1211 01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,160 Speaker 1: Hitler won his power struggle over with the DAP, and 1212 01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,360 Speaker 1: they're about to merge with our party, and our leaders 1213 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,600 Speaker 1: are doing it because they don't like you. They want 1214 01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,560 Speaker 1: a guy who can do what you do, who can 1215 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,840 Speaker 1: bring in you know, followers and stuff, who can like 1216 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,000 Speaker 1: give these speeches that attract an audience, and they feel 1217 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:02,240 Speaker 1: like backing Hitler will let us force you out of 1218 01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,520 Speaker 1: the party. So Striker, when he hears that just go ahead, 1219 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,880 Speaker 1: goes ahead and leaves the German Socialist Party. Part of 1220 01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,600 Speaker 1: why he does this is because his friend, a guy 1221 01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:15,360 Speaker 1: named Otto Dickle, has formed a breakaway organization called the 1222 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,040 Speaker 1: German Working Community, and the idea behind the German Working 1223 01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,240 Speaker 1: Community is it's like supposed to be the u win 1224 01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:25,000 Speaker 1: of like anti Semitic parties, where that we're supposed to 1225 01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,560 Speaker 1: be this over organization and all the right wing parties 1226 01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,440 Speaker 1: can organize with us to get their anti Semitic policies 1227 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,240 Speaker 1: in order. It's all very messy. Dickle, the guy who 1228 01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:38,000 Speaker 1: forms this group, is a really fascinating early German fascist. 1229 01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,280 Speaker 1: People don't talk about him a lot anymore, but he's 1230 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,080 Speaker 1: really interesting. In the nineteen thirties, he's kind of this 1231 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:47,080 Speaker 1: like proto libertarian, like from this point where he's sort 1232 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,880 Speaker 1: of like similar to a lot of the early Nazis, 1233 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,520 Speaker 1: he's going to become like a lasi faire capitalist. But 1234 01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,360 Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty one he's very much in line with 1235 01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,440 Speaker 1: the kind of shit Hitler and Striker are selling. And 1236 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,680 Speaker 1: he writes this book called Resurgence of the West, which 1237 01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,640 Speaker 1: is interesting in part because it sort of predicts the 1238 01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,120 Speaker 1: war that Hitler is going to unleash a few years 1239 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,640 Speaker 1: later on continental Europe. And I'm going to quote from 1240 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,160 Speaker 1: that book now because it's interesting how much Dickle sort 1241 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,920 Speaker 1: of sees coming many a time acquaintances. 1242 01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,600 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, it's what dickus seas. 1243 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:22,919 Speaker 3: Come on, man. 1244 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,960 Speaker 1: No see, I'm so mature that I didn't even I 1245 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,200 Speaker 1: didn't even notice the come down. 1246 01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,400 Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry to no No. 1247 01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,080 Speaker 1: Many a time acquaintances have told me that I see 1248 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,800 Speaker 1: the world differently from them. That is true, who sees 1249 01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,800 Speaker 1: it correctly? Men of science, with their mechanistic thinking will 1250 01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,680 Speaker 1: certainly attack me, will carp and criticize. We'll discover some 1251 01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,080 Speaker 1: errors and ridicule me. Let them. But if in the 1252 01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,040 Speaker 1: immediate future, perhaps even before this book is published, events 1253 01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,680 Speaker 1: take place in Russia as I have foretold, If social 1254 01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,760 Speaker 1: ferment begins in France, which is heading for the most 1255 01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,440 Speaker 1: uncompromising imperialism, and as I fear in England too, if 1256 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,040 Speaker 1: the German people, overwhelmed by despair, is gripped by the 1257 01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,720 Speaker 1: irresistible force of national resurgence, then I can only wish 1258 01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,200 Speaker 1: it be men who see his eye. So men who 1259 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,440 Speaker 1: comprehend the meaning of the World War and of the 1260 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,280 Speaker 1: contemporary events through their bold action, and can create a 1261 01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,400 Speaker 1: free German people on its own soil. So you know, 1262 01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot of folks who sort of see where 1263 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,200 Speaker 1: the winds are blowing or at least are hoping to 1264 01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,480 Speaker 1: help blow the wind in that direction. And Dickle's one 1265 01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,320 Speaker 1: of them. And Dickle, you know, for this this German 1266 01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,960 Speaker 1: anti Semitic sort of un that he's going to create, 1267 01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,919 Speaker 1: he picks as a logo for it, a little thing 1268 01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,800 Speaker 1: you might recognize as the swastika. Now this is not 1269 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,960 Speaker 1: a weird thing. At the time. Knowledge of the swastika 1270 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,080 Speaker 1: had come to Germany primarily through the work of a 1271 01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,760 Speaker 1: bumbling archaeologist named Heinrich Schleimann, who is the He's the 1272 01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,640 Speaker 1: guy who like finds Troy by sort of destroying most 1273 01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,320 Speaker 1: of the artifacts of Troy because he doesn't realize initially 1274 01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,800 Speaker 1: where he's digging and like what he's churning through to 1275 01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,440 Speaker 1: get to what he thinks is the ruins of Troy. 1276 01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,160 Speaker 1: But some of the stuff that he does found find 1277 01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,600 Speaker 1: from Troy is like pottery and shit that's like covered 1278 01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:13,800 Speaker 1: in swastikas. Right now, swastika is We're not going to 1279 01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,960 Speaker 1: get into the history of the swastika yet, although I 1280 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,800 Speaker 1: think I'll probably do an episode on that, but like 1281 01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:23,639 Speaker 1: maybe the oldest thing that people have ever drawn that's 1282 01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,800 Speaker 1: like not a super basic shape. It occurs all over 1283 01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:33,000 Speaker 1: the world. There are swastikas all throughout, like ancient you know, India. 1284 01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,280 Speaker 1: The swastika goes back and I think some of the 1285 01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,800 Speaker 1: oldest ones in Europe are like in Ukraine they found 1286 01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:43,559 Speaker 1: swastikas that are fifteen thousand years old. The Navajo people 1287 01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,080 Speaker 1: in the American Southwest have been using swastikas for again, 1288 01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,320 Speaker 1: god knows how long, all sorts of different things. Actually, 1289 01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:53,320 Speaker 1: it's interesting. In nineteen forty, when like we start gearing 1290 01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,920 Speaker 1: up for World War two, the Navajo and a couple 1291 01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:02,200 Speaker 1: of other Indigenous American tribes have a meeting and like 1292 01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:06,240 Speaker 1: announce that we're giving up the swastika, this like ancient 1293 01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,240 Speaker 1: religious symbol for us as a result of how the 1294 01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,800 Speaker 1: Nazis have polluted it, which is fat That's such like 1295 01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:17,200 Speaker 1: a strange because there's nothing wrong with the swastika inherently, right, Like, 1296 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing like racist about the fact that 1297 01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,240 Speaker 1: the Navajo were like putting this in stuff, you know, 1298 01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,320 Speaker 1: God knows how many thousands of years back. 1299 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,439 Speaker 3: Right they were like one day. 1300 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, one day, this ship hit in Germany. 1301 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,680 Speaker 4: But yeah, it's like there's a famous far I can't 1302 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,400 Speaker 4: remember where it is, but it's before Hitler, and there's 1303 01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:40,360 Speaker 4: like this a girl's like hockey team like that, you know, 1304 01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,840 Speaker 4: like a young girls they're like ten, and on the 1305 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,479 Speaker 4: front of all that jump puts, they've got this huge swastika. Yeah, 1306 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,519 Speaker 4: without context, it's like Jesus Christ, what's that? But yeah, 1307 01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,320 Speaker 4: it was quite Yeah, like you said it was, it 1308 01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:52,479 Speaker 4: was a pretty common symbol. 1309 01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:54,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Girls Club, which is what you're 1310 01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,559 Speaker 1: talking about, is like this large organization for young girls 1311 01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,720 Speaker 1: in the US. There, their magazine, one of the most 1312 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,440 Speaker 1: popular women's magazines in the United States, is called the Swastika. 1313 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:09,920 Speaker 1: Like it's just everywhere you know, up there's all these 1314 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,519 Speaker 1: wild stories too, of like Americans in kind of the 1315 01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,840 Speaker 1: twenties and thirties when there's all the street fighting between 1316 01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:19,160 Speaker 1: Nazis and communists, like American journalists sparticularly like women journalists 1317 01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,080 Speaker 1: who will like come to Germany to report on the 1318 01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,080 Speaker 1: unrest and they'll have like a swastika ring or a necklace, 1319 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,640 Speaker 1: and like some communists that they're like you know, talking with, 1320 01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,280 Speaker 1: will be like you might not want to wear that. 1321 01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,240 Speaker 1: You're like, that means a real different thing. 1322 01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:33,479 Speaker 3: To es now, same thing. 1323 01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very awkward, but it's not weird, right that 1324 01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,800 Speaker 1: this dude Dickle adopts the swastika. This is starting to 1325 01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,400 Speaker 1: happen all throughout you know, Germany. It's happened with the 1326 01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:49,519 Speaker 1: Nazi Party and stuff. I think it actually goes back 1327 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,240 Speaker 1: a bit further than that too, because I think the 1328 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,280 Speaker 1: first right wing militants to wear the swastikas are in 1329 01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:58,920 Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen. One of these early anti communist veterans militias 1330 01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,200 Speaker 1: have swastik but that is because it like this is 1331 01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,960 Speaker 1: also interesting in World War One there are there are 1332 01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,920 Speaker 1: US military units and German military units with swastikas, Like 1333 01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,840 Speaker 1: theoretically who might have fought each other both under the 1334 01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,920 Speaker 1: swastika just because it's like a good luck symbol. Weird stuff, 1335 01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:21,679 Speaker 1: But yeah, the the kind of the the first Nazi 1336 01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,679 Speaker 1: or fascist, i should say, thought leader to start using 1337 01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,200 Speaker 1: the swastika was the head of an organization called the 1338 01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:32,519 Speaker 1: Wotan Lodge. And the Wotan Lodge is this early German 1339 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:37,040 Speaker 1: nationalist secret society. It starts before World War One, and 1340 01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,840 Speaker 1: one of the guys who runs it is our friend 1341 01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:43,240 Speaker 1: Theodore Fritch. Right, Theodore Fritch is a very you know, 1342 01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,559 Speaker 1: he's he's he's the kind of fascist nerd that still existed. 1343 01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,320 Speaker 1: That his pseudonym is Thor, Like, that's the name that 1344 01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:53,479 Speaker 1: Fritch writes on for under for his like Wotan Lodge, 1345 01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:54,960 Speaker 1: you know, columns and stuff. 1346 01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,400 Speaker 3: Wotan shit has just been cringe from day one there. 1347 01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:02,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, from the fucking jump right, and you know, 1348 01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:04,840 Speaker 1: speaking of how crins they are. The thing that the 1349 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,959 Speaker 1: Wotanists do is they dress up like knights and vikings, 1350 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,200 Speaker 1: they wear like horned helmets, they carry out these candlelit ceremonies. 1351 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,320 Speaker 1: Well they're where they'll like march in the shape of 1352 01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:16,599 Speaker 1: a swastika, and a lot of like Nazi rituals get 1353 01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,880 Speaker 1: based on this stuff. Because after World War One, the 1354 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:24,960 Speaker 1: Wotan Lodge gets renamed to the Tulas Society. Right, these 1355 01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,880 Speaker 1: are the bad guys from hell Boy, you know if 1356 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,800 Speaker 1: you've seen the hell Boy movie. Yeah yeah, and a 1357 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,000 Speaker 1: lot of these guys become some of the first Nazis. 1358 01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:32,240 Speaker 3: Right. 1359 01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,679 Speaker 1: So in nineteen eighteen, control of the Tullas Society passes 1360 01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:41,759 Speaker 1: from Fritch to a dude named Baron Rudolph von Sebatandorf. Now, 1361 01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:46,280 Speaker 1: first off, that's his like fascist and name, Baron Rudolph 1362 01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,120 Speaker 1: bon sabatandor Von. 1363 01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,520 Speaker 3: Like, wo, was he born like Rhodesia. 1364 01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's a guy. Indiana Jones punches. That is 1365 01:12:54,479 --> 01:13:00,679 Speaker 1: like a stereotypical Nazi name, Like, yeah, well it's it's 1366 01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:02,720 Speaker 1: part of why it's stereotypical, is that is not at 1367 01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,680 Speaker 1: all his real name. So oh right, yeah, that's like 1368 01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,680 Speaker 1: yeah Vaughan. Obviously he's calling himself a baron. Vaughn is 1369 01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:13,800 Speaker 1: like a signifier in Old Germany that you're a noble. Right, 1370 01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,920 Speaker 1: The actual guy who calls himself Baron Vaughan Sebotandorf is 1371 01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,040 Speaker 1: not a noble of any kind. He was born Adam Glower. 1372 01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,280 Speaker 1: He's the uh right, which is. 1373 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,320 Speaker 3: I barely would go with the Vaughan name then Marcelfa. 1374 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a much cooler name. Yeah, And rather than 1375 01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,839 Speaker 1: being a baron, he is the son of a train engineer. 1376 01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,679 Speaker 1: He's got kind of this weird life. As a young adult, 1377 01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,479 Speaker 1: he like moves to Turkey, he becomes an Ottoman citizen, 1378 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,800 Speaker 1: and like, when he becomes an Ottoman citizen, he like 1379 01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,720 Speaker 1: lies and tells them that my name is Baron Heinrich Subotandorf, 1380 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,920 Speaker 1: and the Turks are like, yeah, I guess if you 1381 01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,559 Speaker 1: want to. So he he fights for the Ottomans in 1382 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,240 Speaker 1: the First Balkan War and then he returns to Germany 1383 01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,479 Speaker 1: to become a wizard and a fascist. And he is 1384 01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,000 Speaker 1: like he's in a like I said, he's a wizard, 1385 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,519 Speaker 1: he's an ocultist. You know, he's into this. Yeah, he's 1386 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,640 Speaker 1: like a he's like an ocult guy. He's doing like 1387 01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,559 Speaker 1: magical rituals. And he's also like a Nazi racist. You know, 1388 01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,439 Speaker 1: there's a few of these guys. That's a big thing 1389 01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:16,519 Speaker 1: for the Tulist society. So yeah, he's like pretend noble 1390 01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,200 Speaker 1: who makes himself into like an occult figure on the far. 1391 01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:24,439 Speaker 4: Right' it's funny like Viking stuff. If you're a Viking 1392 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,320 Speaker 4: and you're actually doing that, like the Viking ship like 1393 01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,920 Speaker 4: they did. Yeah, and you look like a Viking, you're 1394 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,559 Speaker 4: coolest fuck right. Any time after that that you dress 1395 01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,000 Speaker 4: like a Viking, it's like the cringiest thing. 1396 01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,120 Speaker 3: It's weird. It's one or the other, you know what. 1397 01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:42,360 Speaker 1: Yah, there is no like, there's no like medium speed 1398 01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:46,120 Speaker 1: for those, there's no middle of the road king. 1399 01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:47,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1400 01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, they are the coolest dude ever or they need 1401 01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,120 Speaker 1: to be tossed into the ocean. 1402 01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, not that, like you know, pillage and mud of 1403 01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,160 Speaker 4: the Vikings did was cool, but they look cool, you know. 1404 01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:57,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1405 01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,120 Speaker 1: I think can be cool and still bad. It's like pirates. 1406 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,799 Speaker 1: Pirates are cool. Didn't always do good stuff, but always cool. 1407 01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:13,760 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean Vincent from Biker Mice. Oh 1408 01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:17,200 Speaker 4: yeah yeahh bad but cool. Bad but cool. 1409 01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:17,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1410 01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,759 Speaker 1: So in the In a book called The Swastika Symbol 1411 01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:27,600 Speaker 1: Beyond Redemption, author and historian Stephen Heller writes that Subatandorf, 1412 01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,799 Speaker 1: as the new leader of the Tula Society, quote pledged 1413 01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,080 Speaker 1: his loyalty to Germany, the swastika and destruction of the enemy. 1414 01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,920 Speaker 1: In one of his speeches, he introduced an additional symbolic 1415 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,240 Speaker 1: icon to the language of Volkish occultism, the r Run, 1416 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:44,120 Speaker 1: which signifies Aryan primal fire, the son and the Eagle. 1417 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,200 Speaker 1: And the eagle, he announced, is the symbol of the Aryans. 1418 01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,280 Speaker 1: In order to depict the eagle's capacity for self immolation 1419 01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,559 Speaker 1: by fire, it is colored red. From today on, our 1420 01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,080 Speaker 1: symbol is the red eagle, which warns us that we 1421 01:15:56,160 --> 01:16:01,320 Speaker 1: must die in order to live. So Subotandorf also the 1422 01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:02,920 Speaker 1: other thing that he brings in that you're going to 1423 01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,160 Speaker 1: recognize is this very particular kind of like straight armed 1424 01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:09,280 Speaker 1: salute called the Zighil, which is going to become the 1425 01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,640 Speaker 1: primary Nazi salute. And he is also Subotanorf, is the 1426 01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:16,080 Speaker 1: guy the primary idea that is noteworthy that he comes 1427 01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,720 Speaker 1: up with. It's called the feurer Prinzip, which is the 1428 01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,479 Speaker 1: leader principle or leader cult, which is the idea that 1429 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:26,320 Speaker 1: if we are going to have a successful right wing party, 1430 01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,760 Speaker 1: anti democratic party in this country, it needs to be 1431 01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:33,760 Speaker 1: bound to a single leader almost like a religion, right, 1432 01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:37,240 Speaker 1: like a messiah, you know. And the thing Subotanorf phrases it, 1433 01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,040 Speaker 1: calls it a messiah. He's like, we are waiting for 1434 01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,880 Speaker 1: We on the German right are waiting for our messiah. 1435 01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:48,200 Speaker 1: So all of these folks. Part of why these parties 1436 01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,720 Speaker 1: they don't like Striker, they don't really like Hitler the leadership, 1437 01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,280 Speaker 1: but they can't get rid of them, right, is because 1438 01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:58,679 Speaker 1: there's this building sense all throughout the twenties in German 1439 01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,080 Speaker 1: right wing politics that we're waiting, we're looking to see 1440 01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,560 Speaker 1: which of these guys is going to become the messiah 1441 01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,479 Speaker 1: right and by early nineteen twenty one, if you're trying 1442 01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,559 Speaker 1: to figure out who is our fewer, Right, the two 1443 01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,960 Speaker 1: guys who are primarily going to be on your radar 1444 01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,880 Speaker 1: are Adolf Hitler and Julius Striker. And when you know, 1445 01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:21,320 Speaker 1: the DAP sort of yields to Hitler and agrees to 1446 01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,920 Speaker 1: give him, you know, control over the party. They're saying, 1447 01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,320 Speaker 1: we think Hitler's the guy who's going to win. And 1448 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,400 Speaker 1: when Dickle forms the German working Community and brings in 1449 01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,559 Speaker 1: his friend Julia Striker, he's kind of betting that Striker 1450 01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,680 Speaker 1: might be the guy to fill this role. Dicklan Streiko, 1451 01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:40,200 Speaker 1: Dickolan Striker, Yeah, little Dick, Dick Striker. 1452 01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:41,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great. 1453 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,720 Speaker 4: I don't know, it's not like a good yeah, detective 1454 01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:46,160 Speaker 4: Dick Streiko. 1455 01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. So, yeah, that's where we are 1456 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,880 Speaker 1: as Part one closes out. Jake, how you doing? How 1457 01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,639 Speaker 1: you feeling about this whole tale? 1458 01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,800 Speaker 4: I mean, it's super interesting considering how long ago this was, 1459 01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:04,800 Speaker 4: how many direct kind of similarities there are to the 1460 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,719 Speaker 4: modern day file press. 1461 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:06,960 Speaker 3: You know. 1462 01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's part of why the thing that 1463 01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,240 Speaker 1: keeps coming to me is I like read this stuff 1464 01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,280 Speaker 1: is like, oh, I guess everything that's happened with social 1465 01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:17,880 Speaker 1: media isn't really surprising, like this all happened with like 1466 01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,920 Speaker 1: newspapers and shit back in the day. It's it's the 1467 01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,720 Speaker 1: same as it ever was in a lot of ways. 1468 01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,400 Speaker 4: Honestly, I've never actually thought of it like that. When 1469 01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,240 Speaker 4: you said that, it's so true. It's like almost like 1470 01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:32,800 Speaker 4: the original purpose of the newspapers was how social media 1471 01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,599 Speaker 4: is mostly used now, let's be honest. 1472 01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, the idea, like we think of 1473 01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,400 Speaker 1: a newspaper kind of as this like edifice that provides 1474 01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,200 Speaker 1: information about the world to people. But the thing that 1475 01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:48,439 Speaker 1: newspapers primarily did early on was both like a tool 1476 01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,639 Speaker 1: for people to get out, you know, disinformation, but also 1477 01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:55,840 Speaker 1: just like a wave for folks to bitch at each other, right, Like, 1478 01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,559 Speaker 1: like it's the same thing that Twitter is, you know, 1479 01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,000 Speaker 1: that was a big part of tweet. 1480 01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:00,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1481 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Jake, you got anything to plug? 1482 01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:08,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, Hopefully people that listen this, I think they'll 1483 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:10,960 Speaker 4: be interested in a new project that we got going 1484 01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:17,479 Speaker 4: are sad Oligarch. It's an investigative podcast series about the 1485 01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:22,240 Speaker 4: fact that a dozen rich Russians have died in the 1486 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:27,200 Speaker 4: last nine months. Many of them died in suspicious circumstances. 1487 01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,559 Speaker 4: Many of them have direct links to the Kremlin. Essentially, 1488 01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:34,600 Speaker 4: we're trying to answer the question who is killing rich Russians? 1489 01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,479 Speaker 4: And each episode is kind of it's like, you know, 1490 01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,240 Speaker 4: it's true crime, but the way that I would do it. 1491 01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,479 Speaker 4: And it's a lot of research, a lot of actual 1492 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:49,559 Speaker 4: you know, investigative journalism, not drama, you know, not Netflix 1493 01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,120 Speaker 4: drama type stuff. 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