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Speaker 2: That for me. I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 3: be happy. You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 1: Edith Steak is that woo woo? And Dan and Tye.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the solid verbal Boys and girls. My

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Speaker 4: name is ty Hildebrand, joining me as always over there

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Speaker 4: in beautiful Chicago, Illinois, the one, the only Dan Rubinstein, Sir.

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good.

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Speaker 3: It actually has been pretty beautiful. It's been sunny, and

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Speaker 3: in the sixties and seventies, we went over to the lake.

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Speaker 3: doing pretty good. I'm very excited for this show. With

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Speaker 3: the draft ahead, I always get very annoyed at the

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Speaker 3: all the articles that come out that say or the

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Speaker 3: tweets and people saying, ah see, stars don't matter. This

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Speaker 3: this two star got drafted number eight overall, when obviously

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Speaker 3: the math would indicate differently that you're far more likely

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Speaker 3: blue chip athlete, just because there are fewer of them

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Speaker 3: and the percentages are in your favor that way. But

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Speaker 3: I like to know individual stories at the same time,

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Speaker 3: why guys get passed over as you know high school recruits,

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Speaker 3: and what is behind the tape and the numbers and

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Speaker 3: the history of these guys as recruits. I'm fascinated by

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Speaker 3: all of this because, as I'm sure Brandon will point out,

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Speaker 3: if NFL gms and scouts were in charge of vetting

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Speaker 3: all actual important positions in life, we'd be living in

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Speaker 3: a much better way.

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Speaker 1: Well, they do their homework.

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Speaker 4: They do their homework because it's an investment in their future,

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Speaker 4: especially if you're picking high up in the draft. It

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Speaker 4: really does have a domino effect. So we wanted to

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Speaker 4: bring Brandon on this is Our Like Before They were

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Speaker 4: Stars kind of show, because Brandon's evaluated all these kids.

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Speaker 4: Perhaps he can give us a little bit of insight

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Speaker 4: into their college career as we saw it as fans,

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Speaker 4: what he projects forward into their NFL career. It is

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Speaker 4: the month of April now, and as we forge ahead,

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Speaker 4: there's going to be a lot of talk in football

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Speaker 4: circles about the NFL Draft. That's just the way it is,

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Speaker 4: whether you're an NFL fan or not. There is a

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Speaker 4: connection into college football, and this is something that I

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Speaker 4: maybe don't have any bent towards the NFL who like

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Speaker 4: to follow along, like to look at mock drafts like

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Speaker 4: the enter pools, because there is that college football tie

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Speaker 4: in some of our favorite players moving on getting to

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Speaker 4: who you're rooting for? Like, this is a fan as

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Speaker 4: somebody who's rated these guys out, Who are you rooting

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Speaker 4: He's been around them, he's been around them, all of them.

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Speaker 4: Who are you rooting for just on a personal human

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Speaker 4: level to succeed at the next level more so than

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Speaker 4: maybe some others given your affiliation. So yeah, he definitely

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Speaker 4: brings a unique insight that I don't think we've ever

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Speaker 4: why we're doing some bonus stuff. We've got an off

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Speaker 3: Because we had talked about doing kids sports movies from

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Speaker 3: the nineties. Is that a preference? Or is kids game

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I want to take it in from the verbowler at

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Speaker 4: soliverable at gmail dot com, reach out in social or

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Speaker 4: through Patreon. I desperately wanted to go on where in

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Speaker 4: the world is Carmen san Diego? Desperately desperately that show

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Speaker 1: Going on a game show as.

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Speaker 3: A kid, So a couple game shows as a kid too,

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Speaker 3: as a legitimate kid. Yeah, legitimate kid, right, okay, legitimate kid.

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Speaker 3: Brandon Hoffman, National recruiting editor from twenty four to seven,

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Speaker 3: Sports stopping on by. Let's have a listen, all right,

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Speaker 3: Dan joining us Now we have them on a couple

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Speaker 4: Frankly, it's not enough. It's our friend, Brandan Hoffman from

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Speaker 4: twenty four to seven and tour a high school time

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Speaker 4: to talk about all things recruiting. This show is isn't

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Speaker 4: What kind of I don't know, foreshadowing is out there.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that you saw that some of the others out

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Speaker 4: we thought we'd bring you on here again. The month

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Speaker 4: are you though, before we get any further, what are

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a unique kind of year for me,

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Speaker 5: But hey, it's good. I waited a long time to

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Speaker 4: So one thing I wanted to always ask you as

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Speaker 4: that's my point exactly, But I'm wondering, like to what

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Speaker 2: To be completely frank with you, I will have talked

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Speaker 2: You know who? What did his high school coaches think?

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Speaker 2: What did you think him as a high schooler? What

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Speaker 5: What'd you think of them then? Well, you know, how

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Speaker 4: The follow up question then, is based on that advice

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Speaker 5: I see my advice is always accurate.

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Speaker 2: The NFL team it up all the time.

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Speaker 2: When NFL games are screwing this thing up. Some of

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Speaker 2: And so it's fascinating that all the intel that they have,

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Speaker 3: One of the fascinating things because we do get those stories.

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Speaker 3: We do get those stories where you know, JJ Watt

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Speaker 1: What is the.

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Speaker 3: Percentage of time that you would say you and the

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Speaker 3: twenty four to seven whatever ESPN rival community just full on,

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Speaker 3: flat out miss on a guy. And how much of

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Speaker 3: it it is like circumstantial, Like we didn't think he

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would say that more and more, we're

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Speaker 2: becoming much more accurate. We're having much better hits and

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Speaker 2: went to Georgia, basically drove him a good twenty five

437
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Speaker 2: thirty yards off the field. It was kind of like

438
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,680
Speaker 2: watching the blind style of Michael Ower drove the kid

439
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 2: off the field. So this really happened, and it happened

440
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 2: in a day and age where everybody had their cameras

441
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 2: out and the cliff probably had over.

442
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 5: A million views.

443
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 2: And what I remember the most vividly about the play

444
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 2: is in this day, they's a lot of kids was sold.

445
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 2: If they get did dirty, they'll go on Twitter, they'll

446
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,200
Speaker 2: get combative. Devonte Smith to go down after the practice

447
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 2: to talk to do some interviews, and he looked at

448
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 2: John Garcias, who I worked at the time, and he said,

449
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 2: first me, he says, how bad is it? And John goes,

450
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 2: it's pretty bad. He's like, is it viral yet? And

451
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 2: John goes, it's really viral and DeVante just goes, damn

452
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,719
Speaker 2: and he laughed. He says, all right, let's see the interview,

453
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: like he just took the lot. Well. A year later,

454
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 2: Devonte Smith is going to torture Richard's account and his

455
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 2: dreams for the rest of his life because he gets

456
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 2: the walk off touchdown to be Jordia to win the

457
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 2: national championship three years later as arguably, you know, the

458
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 2: greatest season, if not one of the greatest careers ever

459
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Speaker 2: for a collegiate receiver. And to think about, like the

460
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 2: last time we saw this guy as a high schooler

461
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,479
Speaker 2: was him getting thrown over the side of a bench

462
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 2: on the sidelines to winning a Heisman trophy, winning a

463
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Speaker 2: national championship. You know, it's been fun to watch it

464
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 2: because of the way he handled it. He handled it

465
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Speaker 2: so graciously. So those are two guys that I've always

466
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Speaker 2: and that twenty seventeen class, you know, he also have

467
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Speaker 2: Jaln Phillips and the roller coaster his career.

468
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Speaker 1: You're stealing my thunder. That was my next question.

469
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll let you ask the question. But he's

470
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Speaker 2: another one that twenty seventeen class. Quite some stories that

471
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 2: interesting recruitment, interesting roller coaster of a career that all time.

472
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: Then that's still with the likes that they're going to

473
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Speaker 2: be gone on Thursday night.

474
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Speaker 4: So you bring up Jalen Phillips right now, I'm looking

475
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Speaker 4: at one of the mock drafts. He's a first round pick.

476
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Speaker 4: I think according to is this CBS, yeh, CBS, they've

477
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 4: got him going in the twenties. I think to the

478
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 4: Saints maybe. But Jalen Phillips, like you said, loaded class

479
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 4: a few years back, I believe, was the number one

480
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 4: overall recruit per the twenty four to seven historical rankings.

481
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 4: He's one of the top fifty best recruits of all time.

482
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 4: So clearly a que who came in with a lot

483
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 4: of acclaim but had a bit of a journey to

484
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 4: get to this state, right signed with UCLA, eventually catches

485
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Speaker 4: on with Miami, has a pretty good year. You know,

486
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Speaker 4: I hate to ask the talk about question, but talk

487
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 4: about Jalen Phillips and the journey that he's been on

488
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 4: that brought him to Where is that now where I

489
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 4: guess he's realizing that full potential.

490
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, one of the most fascinating side

491
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Speaker 2: notes about Jalen Phillips is I believe he is the

492
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Speaker 2: only player in the twenty four seven Sports compositive history

493
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 2: who was not named the number one player by any

494
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: of the media outlets that covered recruiting. And that's what's

495
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 2: interesting is you look at the guys who had been

496
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 2: the number one composite player in the years before the

497
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 2: years after, they were all ranked number one by at

498
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: least one of the four. At the time when Jalen

499
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 2: Filos was named the composite number one, there were four

500
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Speaker 2: recruiting sites Scalps, which is where I was at the time,

501
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven from that now, ESPN and Rivals,

502
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: and neither of those for sites had him as their

503
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: number one player, but all force sites had him up

504
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 2: high enough. And there was such a difference in who

505
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 2: was ranked number one at the Xagia Hair was number

506
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: one at Scout. I want to say cam Akers might

507
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: have been number one at ESPN, and so there was

508
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: this wise kind of opinion on who the actual number

509
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 2: one player was by all four sites. To get Jalen

510
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: Phillips ends up the number one composite players. So fast

511
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: forward him get into the UCLA. He starts in their

512
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: season opener against Texas A and m has a couple

513
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: of players. I think he had a couple tackles for loss,

514
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 2: a couple of hurries and shows some splashes really early

515
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: on that he was going to be a special player.

516
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: Then I want to say about least three or four

517
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 2: he sprained his ankle and was never really the stain.

518
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: Jim Morrig gets fired at the end of the year.

519
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly comes in. Jalen Phillison's having another injury. He

520
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: suffers and I want to say, like a scooter kind

521
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: of accident at UCLA that destroys his wrist. He leaves

522
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 2: Ucla on basically he was retired from football. The talk

523
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: at the time that he was retiring from football may

524
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: stay at UCLA. Ultimately decided to pursue a career in music,

525
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 2: ended up at Miami and completely was re vitalized in

526
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: Nanny as a defense to the point where he's now

527
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: going to be a first rounder most likely. Still, yeah,

528
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: he won't be the number one overall pick, but he's

529
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 2: essentially a hit, a five star going in the first round.

530
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: And all it took was a change of scenery, you know.

531
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Speaker 2: And I remember when he picked Ucla. At the time,

532
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: he seemed like a lot for Stanford. That was the

533
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 2: spring of his junior year and his recruitment was picking out.

534
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: Stanford was just coming off the Christian McCaffrey Rose Bowl

535
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: win over Iowa. You know, they were once again the

536
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: hot team out in the Pac twelve.

537
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 5: They had won.

538
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: Gosh what, their third Pac twelve title in about four years.

539
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: At that point he was a four point zero student

540
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: and he still didn't beat Stanford for those kind of guys. Ever,

541
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 2: with Jim Mora and David Shot and Glen Phillis decided

542
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: pretty early on he wanted to.

543
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Speaker 5: Go to UCLA for his dad went. So he was

544
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 5: a legacy to some extent.

545
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Speaker 2: But you know, for him to come around full circle

546
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 2: after it looked like he was walking away from the

547
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: game of football to then being the dominant player that

548
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: we all saw in high school. This guy then he

549
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: played linebackers, He's put out wide play receiver, he could

550
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: play outside of the end, he put his hands down

551
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: play a three second. He played just about everywhere. I

552
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: think he had like a five or six bag game

553
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: at one point at Redland Sally. And now you know,

554
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 2: he ends up revitalizing under many dias and you know

555
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: he's a success story. But it's not like he's a

556
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: guy who outplayed his ranking. He more than I guess,

557
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: more than anything, lived up to the ranking. It just

558
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: took a hell of a journey to get there.

559
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Speaker 4: You know who the nub well, I know you know

560
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 4: the answer. The number two player in the twenty seventeen class.

561
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Speaker 2: I want to say it was Nagie Harris.

562
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Speaker 1: It was Naji Harris.

563
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Speaker 4: Naji Harris also on our list here of guys to

564
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 4: ask about, because look, he's obviously been a fixture, he's

565
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 4: been a standout performer at Alabama, was the number two

566
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Speaker 4: overall recruit in that twenty seventeen class. And weirdly, I

567
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 4: don't know if it's because running backs often get devalued

568
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 4: a bit as we go into the NFL Draft. I

569
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 4: don't know if it's because he played on just such

570
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 4: a cast of all stars at Alabama. I don't know

571
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 4: what it is, but Naji Harris has fallen into like

572
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 4: the second round here per some of these mock drafts.

573
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 4: I don't feel like I've heard a lot of him

574
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 4: over the last couple months, really, not any of the

575
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 4: running backs, because so much has been focused on quarterbacks.

576
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: And wide receivers.

577
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: But I remember talking to you shortly after Naji Harris

578
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 4: was signed on at Alabama, and you were gung ho

579
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 4: on Naji, gung ho on him. And it wasn't until

580
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 4: last year, maybe this year, when we saw more of

581
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 4: him that we got to see as college football fans

582
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 4: that dynamic of having incredible moves and elusiveness with the power,

583
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Speaker 4: and I guess maybe like the closest analog to an

584
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: Alabama running back in the NFL having crazy success at

585
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 4: least currently is someone like a Derreck Henry. This is

586
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 4: a guy who's a different back. He's maybe not as

587
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 4: powerful as Henry, but he probably has better moves.

588
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: Not only that, I think Nagie Harris is one of

589
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: the best pass catching running backs that I've seen in

590
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 2: the last five to seven years, And that was something

591
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: about him that I always really appreciated that when you're

592
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: an elite player, when you're even an elite back, seven

593
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: on seven is not necessarily a great avenue for inside

594
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: linebackers and running backs to show what they do their

595
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: bet You know, linebackers are inside guys. They're the ones

596
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 2: that shut down running games. They're the ones that get

597
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: into the backfield, and maybe they're not as good in

598
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: pass cotvergs with running backs. Hey, I'm the guy that

599
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 2: takes the hand off and runs over people, you know,

600
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: but I'm not used to the ball being thrown to me.

601
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: I'm used to being put in my bread basket and

602
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: then I run but now he did a ton of

603
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: seven on seven just so he can improve as a

604
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: pass catcher, can really be a weapon as a receiver.

605
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: But when you watched him run the ball, I mean

606
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: it was a treat. Guys just could not bring him

607
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: down in the open field. I mean, if you were

608
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: an elite open field tack where he'd make you look

609
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: like an average field tack where because he would either

610
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: run over you, run around you, run through you, or

611
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: might do a way of finding doing all three at

612
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 2: the same time. And I was convinced early on. I mean,

613
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: I think he might have been when at the old

614
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: scout dot Com rankings day, if he might have been

615
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,239
Speaker 2: on wire to wire number one. When we saw him

616
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: as a freshman, you could just tell he was special.

617
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: And what I think kind of helped open the doors

618
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: of why we thought he was going to be silly

619
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: lead is you know he was coming out his freshman

620
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 2: year was Joe Mixon's senior year. Joe Mixon was one

621
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: of the top backs out West. Leonard Fournette was also

622
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: in that class, and you looked at it, he was

623
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: kind of a combination of Fournette and Nixon in terms

624
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: of just the all around game that he had, and

625
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: then he doesn't put up video game members at a

626
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: pretty high level in northern California, commits surly to Alabama.

627
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: There were other schools that kept trying, but he doubled

628
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: down and stuck with Alabama. Then, you know, his senior year,

629
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Speaker 2: his junior year as Derrick Henry Heiland Trophy when he

630
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: sees and then at senior year he comes out and

631
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: puts up more big numbers. And there was a big

632
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: debate at that time who would better gamer camp makers

633
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: even out west, Who's better Cam or Steed of car

634
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Speaker 2: And you know, I think Cam Lakers was criminally underused

635
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: at Florida State. But I think Nage his career played

636
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: out exactly as he thought it.

637
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 5: Was going to be.

638
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 2: He knew going to Alabama that unless you were at

639
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: Mika Fitzpatrick or even a Joan and Williams, there was

640
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: a hard chance that it was going to be hard

641
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: for a true freshman to come in and be the starter,

642
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: especially with so many established players. And you know, Josh

643
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 2: Jacobs was there. I want to say both Scarborough may

644
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: have come back four year or maybe he left before that,

645
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: but there was you know, a little bit of a blood

646
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: of backs in Alabama's back of Damien Harris is there

647
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: as well, and it just took him time. He stayed

648
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: the course, and you know he's going to go down

649
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: historically as one of the most productive backs in that

650
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Speaker 2: SEC history.

651
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Speaker 5: But like you said, the running back position has been so.

652
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Speaker 2: Devalued over the years that he may not be fully appreciated.

653
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: Comes the draft, he's probably going to be, you know,

654
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: one of the top two or three backs pick, but

655
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: it might not be until they too. But I don't

656
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: think that say away from the fact that he was

657
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: every bit elite running back and the elite player we

658
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: thought he would be, and I think Nick Samon got

659
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: exactly what we thought. And hey, Derek Henry went the

660
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: second round. I think there are a lot of NFL

661
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: gms that would have loved and had that one.

662
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: That it's a good transition because you mentioned both Najia

663
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: Harris and before DeVante Smith, guys who really have shown

664
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: themselves to be impressive, not just on the field, but

665
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: you hear them speak, you see there you learn more

666
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: about their stories. Najia Harris, I think has become more

667
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: outspoken these past few months, and DeVante Smith has certainly

668
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: carried himself really impressively. Who are the guys at or

669
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: near the top of the draft just from interacting with

670
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: them as humans that you're rooting for because you firmly

671
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: believe they have a strong head on their shoulders and

672
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: that you know they end up in the right situation

673
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: that they're you know, their maturity will shine through with

674
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 3: It's a very difficult thing to be an NFL player sometimes.

675
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: Who are you rooting for as humans that's being talked

676
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 3: about at or near the top?

677
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this be a little bit of a

678
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: cop out because he's going to be the number one

679
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: pick in the draft and lets something crazy happened. But

680
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: you know the attention that was thrust on Trevor Lawrence,

681
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: it wasn't one of those where you know, he was

682
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: the golden child, you know at a young age like

683
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: Lebron when he's on the cover of magazines. But I

684
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: mean he was pretty quickly identified as the number one

685
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: player in that class, and you know, Scott we had

686
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: him as our number one player. Twenty four seven did

687
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: as well.

688
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 5: There was a little bit of a dip after the opening.

689
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: Where twenty four seven, who we hadn't merged with at

690
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: the time put Justin Fields at number one before ultimately

691
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: studying on Trevor Lawrence. But I mean between the long hair,

692
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: the just kind of the sunshine label that he was given,

693
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: but just the expectations of what Trevor Lawrence was able

694
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: to do, and you know, to really see what he

695
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: became symbolic of college football over the last year and

696
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: being so adamant about getting these guys to play, and

697
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: Justin Fields too. I mean, it's almost a cost out

698
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: to say those are the two that you really root for,

699
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: But the reality is those two.

700
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 5: Are going to be intertwined forever.

701
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: And you look at what both those guys meant to

702
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: the game of college football the last two three years,

703
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: and you know, each of them played for a national championship. Uh,

704
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: you know, won one a national championship. They're both just

705
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: the special players that they were one and two and

706
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: you know there's a chance they can go one and

707
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: two now. But it's more than what they did on

708
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: the field. It's what they did off the field and

709
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: the attention that they brought to the game and for

710
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: their peers and for their teammates. Those are two guys

711
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: that just really root for and you know, they're going

712
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: to be successful because like Kirk kerb Street, I mean,

713
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: the whispers, it happens every year. There's always some agents

714
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: in those rogues and tries to start, you know, knocking

715
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: off one of the quarterbacks or a scout does it.

716
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: But the whispers about Justin Field's and the work effic

717
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: that's not at all anything that I've ever heard coming

718
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: out of high school, coming out of college, either of

719
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: his collegiate stops, and you know Trevor Lawrence too. I mean,

720
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: just both those guys. They meant so much to the game.

721
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 2: Those are guys that are easy to root for, and

722
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: they're super talented players on top of it. And you know,

723
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: give me a chance to talk to Trevor Lawrence at

724
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: the Opening I remember he at the time when he

725
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: had come to the Opening Finals, he had just committed

726
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: the clumbs in a couple of weeks before, and I

727
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: just kind of did a sidebar review. I was a

728
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: guy who wasn't a familiar face because I was covering

729
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: just the webs of the time, and you know, just

730
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: talking to him, you realize the kid just loved football.

731
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: He just wanted to be there, and he didn't care

732
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: that he was a number one player. He didn't feel

733
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: like he needed every rep and every throw, and he

734
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: was fine sharing the duty on his seven on seventeen

735
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 2: And even at that event, Justin Field went just nuts.

736
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: I mean, he was by far the best player after

737
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 2: the opening that particular event and won the Elite eleven,

738
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: won the ninety seven on, and you know, both of them,

739
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: they were competitors, but Trevor Lawrence wasn't the guy that

740
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: said I need to take every rest, screw this other

741
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: kid on my team. I don't know who the other

742
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: kid he was, but it was kind of like, hey,

743
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: we both earned our spot here, we both should have

744
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: the opportunity to play, and just you know, you see

745
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: things like that and you realize that these guys are

746
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: good teammates, These are guys you want to go to

747
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: battle with. And I think both those guys are players

748
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: that you really root for. I mean, I already talked

749
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: about Devonte Smith and just the way he handled the

750
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: whole Richard Accounty always earned him bonus points. But I

751
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: just think the expectations of what Justin Field and Trevor

752
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: Lawrence were supposed to do in college and what they

753
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: were supposed to do now going to the NFL, you

754
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: can't help but root for those guys.

755
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 4: I wanted to get your take. You mentioned justin fields.

756
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 4: One of the bits of criticism that I've seen floating

757
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 4: around now as we get closer to the draft is

758
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 4: that he locks onto his primary receivers too much. I

759
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 4: forget what the stat was and who did it. I'm

760
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 4: probably batching this, but something like seventy percent of the

761
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 4: time he is zeroed in on his primary receiver. And

762
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 4: some have pointed out that they think that's that's important

763
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 4: to note because you go to the NFL need to

764
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 4: be better with your progressions. When someone like you hears that,

765
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 4: how do you react to it?

766
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 2: You know, I think it's a classic case of what

767
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: every Scot deals with. You got to find something. You

768
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: got to find a knock on everybody. Everybody. There's no

769
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: p player, there's no perfect prospect. You have to find

770
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: what their inability is, or what their area of weaknesses,

771
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 2: or what the area they need to improve is.

772
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 5: And I think that's the one that e'sn given.

773
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, that's not necessarily one you want to have a

774
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: quarterback begin it. Maybe you want to say out, well,

775
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: he takes too many risks. You know, maybe he throws

776
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: a few too many interceptions because you've got such a

777
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: strong arm that he tries to force these at times

778
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 2: because you know that's the only speed he knows how

779
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: to throw at. But the whole progressions things, I think

780
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: that is something that ends up becoming your red flag

781
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: for some people. But I think it's unfair. I think

782
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: when you have a receiver lack, a Crystal Lave or

783
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: a Garrett Wilson at Ohio State, you lost the end

784
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: of those primary receivers because you know you've got a

785
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: mismatch on offense every single time. If I've got Chris Olave,

786
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: who's going to blow by every defensive back just about

787
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: that he lines up again, I'm going to find it.

788
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: Yet maybe he is the primary siver. You know, people

789
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of those same knocks without Sam

790
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: Darnold at USC being a guy that locked on the

791
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: February receiver. When you look at USC's office going back

792
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: to when Clay Helson was there, they always had one

793
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: receiver who was kind of the guy who got the

794
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: majority of the touching. And I think if you look

795
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: at the Alabama and the LSUS in the last few years,

796
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: where you have four or five elite pass catchers and

797
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: tied ends, then maybe Burrow and Tua aren't getting that

798
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: as much because they're able to spread the field a

799
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: little bit more that they have weapons. Ohio State's got

800
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: a fantastic receiver room, but it was pretty top heavy

801
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: this year with the Lave and with Garrett Wilson. They

802
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: have a lot of really good young talent. But you know,

803
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: Jackson Giba, Julian Fleming, Gee, Scott Junior, none of those

804
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: guys really emerged his true freshmen. You know, Jeremy Rutger

805
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: didn't seem to get utilized much until the the ballgames,

806
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: until the National Championship game. But a lot of it

807
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: it's not so much he lost his premiary receivers. I've

808
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: got the best receiver on the field. I've got a mismatch.

809
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 2: I'm going for him and I'm gonna throw him open.

810
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: I think that's something, you know, It's funny when I

811
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: talk to some of the NFL scouts and I know

812
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: that say that they see the back gets overplayed a lot,

813
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: that it's something that some people are just looking for

814
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: a reason, you know, And how are you determining the

815
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: eyes when you're watching the All twenty two from five

816
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: hundred feet away, How are you able to determine who

817
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: his eyes are on? I mean, the eyes aren't that

818
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: crystal clear. It's one of those where it kind of

819
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: becomes the Every year we hear the buzzwords of the

820
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: draft are different. Oh, I watched the tape taste the

821
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: one thing. It's like the fax machine at letter of Intent.

822
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: Nobody's watching tape anymore. Okay, we're all watching digital video.

823
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: But it becomes the cool buzzword, and so that becomes

824
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: the cool buzzword. Knock is Oh, he watched on to Well,

825
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: if you have mismatches, you're going to exploit them. And

826
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 2: I think that's what he did more than any thing,

827
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: is he's found his primary receiver. And I watched enough

828
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: adjustment fields as a high schooler in the last couple

829
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: of years of Ohio State to see when he needed

830
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,959
Speaker 2: to spread the field. He spread the field just fun.

831
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: But when Chris Delator was blowing by an eb that's

832
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 2: who he walked into and looked at the success that

833
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: brought him.

834
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 5: It brought up six points almost every time.

835
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's and that's the thing, right, Like,

836
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 4: did he have to go to a different receiver or

837
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 4: with primary guys open.

838
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: It's also what he's asked to do too.

839
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 5: Write Well, it's.

840
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: Funny you bring that up, because I remembered talking to

841
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: a Fact twelve head coach one time, and they were

842
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 2: talking about the grading system that some media outlets will

843
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: do the day after the game, and they'll say, oh, well,

844
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: you know he was the leading you know, the leading

845
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: defensive end of the country because he graded out of

846
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: a ninety eight percent and the coach is saying, well,

847
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: we did our internal grade. He rted out as like

848
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 2: a seventy six percent. He missed so many blocks or

849
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: he missed you know this play and that It's like

850
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: they're just looking at the end result. We're looking down

851
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: at what player assignment was, what was he whether he

852
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: askin to do, what do we need him to do?

853
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: What is he expected to do? And he did not

854
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: do the play right at all? What the end results

855
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: ended up being that he fell backwards on to defensive

856
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: end or you know, the running back trip and the

857
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 2: look like the outside linebacker made the tackle for locks

858
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: in the backfield when he did everything wrong. Leaning up

859
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 2: to that place remind me of you know, a teammate

860
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: in high school who had I think like nine or

861
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: ten interceptions one year. And normally you have your coach audience,

862
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: and that's a lot of the receptions our coaches sweet

863
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: of your nine interceptions. One time you actually did the

864
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: right seat. And that's what people don't understand is what

865
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: the coaches are asking and what the fans and the

866
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: scouts as seem often are that's the different.

867
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: One thing that you slipped into an earlier answer was

868
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: that you had I think it was Darrell Scott the

869
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 3: lowest ranked of any of the recruiting analysts or services

870
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: when he was the number one running back.

871
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: And I love that.

872
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: I love throwing in your own personal take. So when

873
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: you look at this year's class, is there a player,

874
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: so this is this year's draft class, is there a

875
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: player that you remember, you know, standing on the table

876
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: for saying there's no way this guy is a three star,

877
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 3: this guy is going to have a great career that

878
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 3: you can now say I told you so. As he

879
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 3: appears to be a you know, a top fifty sixty prospect.

880
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 3: Who is your I told you so from this year's class?

881
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 3: That maybe you you didn't win that argument when you

882
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: were evaluating well.

883
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: I ultimately won the argument, but it was kind of

884
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: a kind of a risk at first. And this is

885
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: one that I think you'll like, Dan. It's Javon Hollands.

886
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: You know, Javon Holland. At Scout. We were the first

887
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: ones to make him a four star. Everybody else had

888
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: him as a three star. He got invited to the

889
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: Opening Finals, didn't get invited to the Army All American Bowls,

890
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: didn't get invited to the under Arma All American Game,

891
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: gets invited to Polynesian Bowl, And it was probably our

892
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: MVP throughout that full weekend. He was a player that

893
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: as a sophomore, as a junior, you know, he could

894
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: have been a wide receiver at the next level. And

895
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 2: it was actually at about a two day event in

896
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: Las Vegas that I saw him. At the Adidas Regionals

897
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: or Addis National seven on seven, he had a touchdown

898
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: catch playing receiver. In fact that it was Carson Straw,

899
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: who's now the quarterback in Nevada, was the quarterback of

900
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: that team, and it took Javan about four strides to

901
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: get himself open on this post for a touchdown. And

902
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: it came a play after his team got the ball

903
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: back where he was lined up on the right side

904
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: of the field, went to go provide safety help to

905
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 2: the left side, flipped his hips, did a clear strength

906
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: back to the left side of the field to pick

907
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: off a pass in that same game. Then he comes

908
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: out in the roads like a forty five yard post

909
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: for a touchdown, and we already had it as a

910
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: four star, but nobody else did. And I just kept thinking, like,

911
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: I don't care what side of the ball this kid plays.

912
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: This kid's going to be a special player in college.

913
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: And he ended up starting I want to say it

914
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: started pretty quickly into his freshman year at Oregon. Obviously

915
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: was a huge part of their Roosevelt team as a sophomore.

916
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: I didn't play the last year, but he was a

917
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: player that I remember going early on and thinking that,

918
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: you know, man, this kid is just a special football player.

919
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: I just need to figure out what the heck he's

920
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: going to play. I think we originally rate him as

921
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: a receiver, then we said athlete before we finally settled

922
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: on dB and see what he did at Oregon was

923
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: never really a surprise us because we thought early and

924
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: I remember thinking, you know, after the week he had

925
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: fallen Agenbolle and you know, Jaban the nicest kid. But

926
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: he even said to beginning fall an Asian Bowl League,

927
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: you know, I want to make the other AFSCAR games,

928
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: regret that they didn't invite me, and then he goes

929
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: out and back to up the entire week. So he's

930
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: a player that.

931
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 5: I still think too.

932
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: You know, his best football may still be ahead of him. Uh,

933
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: just a versatile defensive back that could play really if

934
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 2: he even played corner, he could, if he could play

935
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: a free, he could play a strong, he could play

936
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: you know, just about any spot in the secondary. And

937
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: I think he's going to have a hell of a career.

938
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 3: Is there anybody that you were worried about that they

939
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 3: were going to get lost in the shuffle? And it's

940
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: sort of been a pleasant surprise that they were able

941
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: to pop in college. You know, maybe it was you know,

942
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: injury concerns in high school. Maybe it was you know,

943
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 3: transferring a bunch or grades that like they just had

944
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 3: a tough seeming road to success going from high school

945
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: to college. Who is now considered to be a top

946
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 3: level talent. That just a pleasant surprise for you.

947
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't say he's so much as

948
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: a surprise as the kid just run every ounce ability

949
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: out of his body. And again, I'm gonna go back

950
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: to the state of Oregon this time, but I'm going

951
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: to go back to Elijah Molden. You know, Elijah Moulding

952
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: was a phenomenal high school football player. I mean as

953
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 2: good of a high school football player as you did

954
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: ever imagine. I remember see him as a sophomore at

955
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 2: West Lynne going to watch him play as a running back,

956
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: and you know, he wasn't the biggest guy, wasn't necessarily

957
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,479
Speaker 2: the fastest kid out there. His dad a trainer half

958
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: the ax abilities as a former first round or played

959
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: at Oregon, played in the NFL. But with Elijah, you know,

960
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: he was a great player, but he wasn't considered one

961
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: of the elite players nationally. And even if you look

962
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 2: at the co owners that were in that class out West,

963
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: you know you had Darnay Holmes, who started a couple

964
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: of games for the New York Giants this year. You

965
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: had uh Jaylon Johnson, who was probably the best corner

966
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: in that class in terms of what he did a

967
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: U T. I C. He was either late first round

968
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: or early second rounder by the Bears. You know, you

969
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: also had Diamere lean Or at Oregon that same class,

970
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: so there were some really good dvs. Jeff Kudah Sean

971
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: Wade were also in that class. So there's a lot

972
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: of good natural vs. A lot of good West Coast TVs.

973
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: And I remember this thing with Elijah Molden is it

974
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: was always a three team race in his recruitment. It

975
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: was Stanford, Washington, and Oregon, and obviously Oregon had all

976
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: the family ties. Stanford again, just like with Jale and Philip,

977
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 2: if you look at that Stanford class, they really reaped

978
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: the benefits of that twenty sixteen rose Bow win over Iowa.

979
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 5: And I remember going to the.

980
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: Game the night before the Oregon Washington game when that

981
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: week Elijah had been admitted into Stanford and Jimmy Lake

982
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: was at the Wash or at the the West Wind

983
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: Tiger game. And about a week or two later, I

984
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: think Elijah committed to Washington and it was kind of

985
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,959
Speaker 2: a surprise. It was like, if he doesn't go to Oregon,

986
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: he's going to stamfyf doesn't go to Stampley, He's going

987
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: to Oregon. And he picked Washington ended up really being

988
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 2: h you know, probably their defensive NDP in the last

989
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: couple of years. And a guy that I think you

990
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: could sneak into the second round. It's not higher, but

991
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 2: was just a phenomenal player and a player that was

992
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 2: a good really I would say, a great high school player,

993
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: a good prospect who just made himself that much better

994
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: of a player. And again, one of the great families

995
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 2: that you'll ever meet. I think he's one of eight

996
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: kids and just the most tight knit close to the family,

997
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: just wonderful people. And then you watch Elijah Mobile on

998
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: the field, and I mean, the kid is out there

999
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 2: just destroying people, and he really just outplays kind of

1000
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: what his body does because he's just he works his

1001
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: ass off. As a lack of a better term about

1002
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: to say that.

1003
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 4: Governed by the FCC here, Brandon, even if it's not true,

1004
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 4: you can say it. Final question, as I look up

1005
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 4: and down the draft board, here there are two notable cornerbacks,

1006
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 4: Patrick Sirtan Santi Samuel. I'm not so much asking a

1007
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 4: question as I am for advice. I remember both of

1008
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 4: their fathers playing in the NFL, Brandon, and I wonder,

1009
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 4: in your particular line of work, how you avoid just

1010
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 4: this perennial feeling that we're really getting old seeing these

1011
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 4: names out there the intense march of time.

1012
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, especially when these guys that are

1013
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 2: the dads are younger than I am. You know, it's

1014
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: one thing that there are guys that were.

1015
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 5: Like my age, when these dads.

1016
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: Are a couple of years you know, the man, I'm like, wait,

1017
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: you know, wasn't I watching Antline Winfield playing college when

1018
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 2: I was in college and now I'm watching his son

1019
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: Fred Taylor and I were the same graduating year, and

1020
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: I think, I tell then, well, I'm my oldest and

1021
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: the junior in high school, you know, than Taylor I

1022
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,479
Speaker 2: think was eight nine classes ago. Ray Lewis is another

1023
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: one that was my age. I run into that all

1024
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: the time now, Like there's guys I'm sing, how in

1025
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: the world do you have a college aged kid or

1026
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: you know, a recruit or a kid that is going

1027
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: to be in the NFL like I saw were you

1028
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: just playing like two weeks ago? And it's just it's fascinating.

1029
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 2: But again that that's something that you know, it speaks

1030
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 2: to kind of a larger thing too. One thing that

1031
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: I would say we sometimes get lulled into It's not

1032
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 2: so much that we're old. It's sometimes like, oh, well,

1033
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: he's the offspring of so and so he's going to

1034
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: be really good. And I've said, I've told this story

1035
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: for years and it's one of the biggest bells that

1036
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 2: I've ever taken. And I remember saying on a local

1037
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 2: radio stition on signing day, I'm really going to regret

1038
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: naming Nick, making Nick Montana a four star and making

1039
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: Sean mann In a three star. I probably should have

1040
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: put those two.

1041
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 5: But I did.

1042
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: And boy, the next four years become prophetic to me.

1043
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 2: As Sean Mannin threw for over ten thousand yards in Fontana.

1044
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 2: Last we saw with throwing like eighty seven pick sixes

1045
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: for Tulane, you know, and we're seeing it now too.

1046
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: Where you've got a lot of legacies, a lot of

1047
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: guys that are the son of former NFL players, some

1048
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 2: are former NFL stars, and you think they're going to

1049
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 2: be every bit as good as their dad who were stars,

1050
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: and maybe they're just average football players. They're just good,

1051
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: solid football players, not the elite. Then you have the

1052
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: occasional kids where like a Patrick Sustent, where the younger

1053
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: one might be better than dad, you know, where there

1054
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: are cases where the youngster is even better.

1055
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: The ultimate backup is better than the starter.

1056
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 5: Exactly exactly.

1057
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 2: And so that's why it's so important to ignore the

1058
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: name and really just dive into who the player is

1059
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 2: and what kind of player he is and making sure

1060
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: that's what you're evaluating on, rather than just because they

1061
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: have the elite bloodline.

1062
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 5: And I think, you know.

1063
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: Maggie Johnston and Michael Jordan's kids probably weren't that great

1064
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: and now we're you know, thank god, I don't have

1065
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 2: to do basketball rankings, and I'm going to evaluate Browny

1066
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 2: James over the next couple of years because I can

1067
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: only imagine how polarizing that's going to be.

1068
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 5: But hey, Archie Manning, we.

1069
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: Got the nephew and the son of a Manning and

1070
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: the grandson of the Manning, and we got three years

1071
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: of m So we'll see if he's you know, Eli

1072
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: or Peyton, or if he's you know, Nick Montana or

1073
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: Jack Olway. With all due respect to Nick Montana and

1074
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: Jack Olway.

1075
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 3: So I think, ty, if what I'm hearing, if there's

1076
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 3: subtext to what Brandon is saying, is if you would

1077
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: like to have superstar athletes for children. It's cool if

1078
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: you at one point were, but maybe try to convince

1079
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 3: a strong athletic woman to have children.

1080
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if that's I mean, isn't Steph Curry's mom was

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Speaker 3: like a terrific athlete?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Does it? It helps if not? Is the most important thing.

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Speaker 2: He was in a who was our guy at LSU

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Speaker 2: a couple of years ago whose mom was a OBJ

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Speaker 2: I should know that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, world class sprinter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes moms the one carrying all the athleticism

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Speaker 2: and dad's just carrying the last name, or you know,

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Speaker 2: it's the dad's Like most dads, they're taking all the

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Speaker 2: credit in the world when the reality is mom really

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Speaker 2: did a good job of doing everything. That's right.

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Speaker 4: It works, all right.

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Speaker 1: It's a good way to go out, ty, good way

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Speaker 1: to go out.

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Speaker 4: Brandon Hoffman check him out, National recruiting editor for twenty

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Speaker 4: four to seven Sports. Also the founder and executive director

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Speaker 4: of the Avery Huffman DIPG Foundation. Go and check that

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Speaker 4: out at every strong DIPG. Longtime friend, Brandon, always great

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Speaker 4: to have you on. We'll talk soon, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, thanks. Bella has always enjoyed talking Shot down memory lane.

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Speaker 4: All right, Daniel, that is Brandon Huffman again, longtime friend

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Speaker 4: of the show. Always gracious with this time. You texted

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Speaker 4: him mere minutes before he came on the air with us,

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00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 4: so always want to come on and share his insight.

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Speaker 4: And we're glad he did.

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Speaker 1: The best, the absolute best.

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Speaker 3: And I will say this, and I was thinking about

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Speaker 3: this a couple of days ago as I was reading

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Speaker 3: a bunch of draft stuff, just because I'm always curious.

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Speaker 3: It's not what we do. We are not draft analysts,

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Speaker 3: we are not NFL people, but there's a certain amount

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Speaker 3: of curiosity I'm sure with college football fans about how

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00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 3: the NFL values certain players and guys that we've been

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Speaker 3: fans of for a long time where they're going to

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Speaker 3: go in the draft. But the draft broadcast itself is fascinating, oh,

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Speaker 3: because you think about love it the number. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: last year's was particularly fascinating because it was all remote,

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Speaker 3: but just in terms of the number of clips that

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Speaker 3: have to be available at any given moment based on

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Speaker 3: who is drafted. And you know, every analyst has to

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Speaker 3: have thorough opinions and evaluations and projections for every guy

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Speaker 3: that's taken and how do they fit in with the team,

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Speaker 3: What were they like in college? What do they you know,

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Speaker 3: do they change position? Like every single minute detail has

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Speaker 3: to be covered and covered quickly. So I think what

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Speaker 3: we need to do is come up with some sort

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Speaker 3: of fantasy things for the draft that we just love.

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Speaker 1: We'll come up with.

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Speaker 3: The fantasy things for the draft, and you can draft

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Speaker 3: your own squad of like, you know, five things depending

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Speaker 3: on you know, when they happen, how they happen. Something

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Speaker 3: I love that is absolutely going to make its way

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Speaker 3: in there is the Endomicansu played soccer memorial clip where

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Speaker 3: it's a it's a it's a clearly very old clip

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Speaker 3: of a prospect playing another sport athleticism absolutely to show

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Speaker 3: his athleticism. Or remember there was a I think he

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Speaker 3: was a nose tackle I forget his name. His name

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Speaker 3: escapes me at Wisconsin who was there was like a

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Speaker 3: viral clip of him doing a backflip on the.

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Speaker 1: Beach like that.

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Speaker 3: The non highlight video roles that happened during the draft,

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Speaker 3: not a lot of like improv guys, here's here's this

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Speaker 3: nose tackle in an improv class, but playing another sport

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Speaker 3: or doing something freakishly athletic. I do live for that,

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Speaker 3: because then it kind of throws off the host and

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Speaker 3: analysts saying like, oh, I mean that's pretty cool. It

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Speaker 3: throws them off a little bit in their talking points.

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Speaker 3: So any any clip of you know, a shot put

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Speaker 3: or track and field or swimming or basketball. You know, oh,

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Speaker 3: a big one is an offensive lineman dunking, dunking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they got the ups. They love that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. The other one, the other flip side of that,

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Speaker 4: is the Miles Garrett Honorary Concert Pianist Award, where.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I think that's Joey Harrington time.

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Speaker 4: Well, right, whoever it is, you've always got, like the

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Speaker 4: guy who can speak six languages, or somebody who's really

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Speaker 4: good at chess, or you know John Erschall.

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Speaker 3: They make the guys fluent in other languages, say something

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Speaker 3: about like welcome to the twenty twenty one NFL draft.

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Speaker 1: In you know, Farcia or Mandarin. Always good.

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Speaker 4: Well, we'll get to that. We appreciate everyone stopping on.

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Speaker 4: I none more so though, than Brandon Huffman, our guest

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Speaker 4: of honor on this Yere's show. Solid Verbal dot Com

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Speaker 4: is the website going out there yellow boxes where you

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Speaker 4: can put your email address. We'll start sending emails as

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Speaker 4: we get a little bit closer to the year, keep

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Speaker 4: you up to date with what's going on. Also, verballers

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Speaker 4: dot com is a Patreon where we're posting some fun

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Speaker 4: bonus stuff here throughout the offseason. Dan so I got

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Speaker 4: tame for that guy there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 4: for myself, Tie hillde Brand. Thank you so much for downloading,

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Speaker 4: for listening, for supporting. We will touch base again on Thursday.

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Speaker 4: In the meantime, stay solid, peace,