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Speaker 1: Hi, I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 2: a sibling.

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Speaker 1: Raivalry, No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 2: Revelry.

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Speaker 1: That's good. Hi.

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Speaker 3: Hey, so we can go through all the pleasantries and hey,

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Speaker 3: hell are you and you know, talk about our day

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Speaker 3: and the kids. But this, this guest that is coming

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Speaker 3: up made me feel like I do nothing in my life.

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Speaker 2: He's changing the world.

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Speaker 1: He's so fascinating.

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Speaker 4: Damn Dan Putner.

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Speaker 5: He is the Blue Zones specialist. He created the Blue Zones.

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Speaker 1: I love Dan.

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Speaker 5: He's actually been an old friend of Mom's for a

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Speaker 5: while and then and then him and I kind of

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Speaker 5: connected outside actually of Mom. But I've done a bunch

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Speaker 5: of lives with him, really helping him amplify his books that.

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Speaker 1: I just love.

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Speaker 5: I love what he's out in the world trying to

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Speaker 5: do for people and for to educate people on food

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Speaker 5: and longevity.

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Speaker 4: This guy, so those for those.

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Speaker 3: Who don't know, just to explain what the blue zones are, well, he's.

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Speaker 1: Going to explain what the blue zones are. So I

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Speaker 1: don't want to like bleed, you know, but.

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Speaker 5: You know there's certain people that you meet that you're like,

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Speaker 5: I want to do what you do he took. It's

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Speaker 5: like the ekey guy stuff, which will which we will

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Speaker 5: get to on another episode this season. But you know,

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Speaker 5: people who actually are living their passion and that's what

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Speaker 5: Dan is doing. And he just was researching happiness and

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Speaker 5: longevity in different places in the world and how people

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Speaker 5: you know, what they what, what what makes them tick

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Speaker 5: for so long and then out of this came his

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Speaker 5: life work. And he's just super cool too, like you

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Speaker 5: know what, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's the other thing. He's just cool.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he he makes you feel like it's not

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Speaker 3: hard as you think. I got the cookbook and I've

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Speaker 2: It was amazing. I mean, it's really fun fun to do.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: He's got these cookbooks basically that they give you recipes

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Speaker 3: based on these places where these blue songs are, where

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Speaker 3: these people live the longest.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's an award winning journalist.

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Speaker 5: I mean, so he does these books, but he also

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Speaker 5: is like he really is a great journalist, right he's

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Speaker 5: got three Genis World records too, which is.

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Speaker 1: All so crazy. Get into the ass I is everything.

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Speaker 5: We didn't talk about his minnestrone soup, so before we

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Speaker 5: get into this episode, I want to plug that for him.

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Speaker 5: I feel like, because we should all be eating minnestrone

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Speaker 5: soup every day, and he's got his recipe in one

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Speaker 5: of his books, and but like stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Like we're not eating enough beans.

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Speaker 5: These are the things that are were like so good

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Speaker 5: for us, more plant based. He gets into it. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you're going to love this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to.

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Speaker 3: If you want to learn how to live forever, check this.

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Speaker 3: Check this episode out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Hello, how are you good?

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Speaker 2: To see you?

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Speaker 1: So good to see you. I was thinking I was

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Speaker 1: just with all. I'm like all ofver.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, Mom and I were friendly with

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Speaker 5: Dan and you finally now to meet another piece of

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Speaker 4: I feel like was filled out. Now.

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Speaker 5: Well I'm excited because I'm Dan, you know, I'm I'm

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Speaker 5: a huge fan of your work.

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Speaker 1: Oliver now gets to like get in on this.

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Speaker 2: I have one pitch before we start.

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Speaker 3: We've got the We've got the blue zones right, which

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Speaker 5: I like the turqoise zone, Like what's that?

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Speaker 4: That's all here? The Atlantic Ocean.

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Speaker 2: That's right, you lucky man.

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Speaker 5: You're right though, Oliver So Dan, For for those who

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Speaker 4: So I've been an explorer my whole life for National

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Speaker 4: Why blue Because the demographer or the research that we

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Speaker 6: Oliver is like Sardinia, Greece, okay landa Alanda.

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Speaker 3: So there's different criteria basically to establish these blue zones. Right,

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Speaker 3: is still probably the most you know read article, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is however long ago you wrote that

439
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Speaker 3: and the New.

440
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Speaker 2: York Times piece.

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Speaker 3: It just sort of shows that there is an appetite

442
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Speaker 3: for it.

443
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Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily mean.

444
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Speaker 3: That people are going to follow it, but people but

445
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 3: there is a real appetite, no pun intended for better

446
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 3: a better way of living, to sort of find yours,

447
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: to find your longevity.

448
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, it's just hot, It's just.

449
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Speaker 3: It's It can be very, very difficult, you know, as

450
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Speaker 3: far as resources go, even to sort of start something

451
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: like this.

452
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Speaker 4: Yes, but the cost of doing nothing is so high.

453
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 4: You know, about six hundred and eighty thousand Americans will

454
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Speaker 4: die prematurely this year for meeting the standard American diet.

455
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Speaker 4: And to put that perspective, in the last decade, we've

456
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Speaker 4: learned we've lost more Americans to the standard American diet

457
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 4: than we've lost to all wars combined since World War One.

458
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Speaker 4: So you know where I mean, we can in my opinion,

459
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Speaker 4: we should be spending a much bigger chunk of our

460
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Speaker 4: budget on getting keeping people healthy. That yeah, I.

461
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Speaker 5: Think if you just keep it simple, the hard part

462
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Speaker 5: is for people, I think, to understand what the steps

463
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Speaker 5: is to take. I always find when people are asking

464
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 5: and you kind of deliver the you know, more of

465
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 5: a plant based diet and having more social interaction and

466
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 5: living in places where you can walk all the time,

467
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Speaker 5: it feels done. It feels daunting for people to try

468
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 5: to take those steps, right, But we also know that

469
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Speaker 5: the second you just start doing little bits that you

470
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 5: become more and more you You start to become lighter

471
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 5: on your feet, you feel better, You start shedding away

472
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 5: pounds that aren't about vanity, that actually are about you know,

473
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 5: your you know, you start to literally your mental capacity

474
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 5: starts to clear. You start to become less down, less depressed,

475
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 5: and then and then you start getting more and more

476
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Speaker 5: and more into it. You know. It's the baby steps

477
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 5: that I think are the hardest part for people in

478
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Speaker 5: America because they're so used to one thinking that fast

479
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 5: food is the is the more inexpensive way to live.

480
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 5: They feel like they don't have the time to prepare

481
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Speaker 5: for their week for food for their family, and it

482
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Speaker 5: takes effort.

483
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Speaker 3: But isn't that the truth though? I mean, isn't fast

484
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: food cheaper and it is harder to sort of take

485
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Speaker 3: the time to prepare the good stuff of all that day?

486
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Speaker 1: I would argue, no, Yeah.

487
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Speaker 4: And I'll tell you why. You know, I just finished

488
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Speaker 4: this big media tour with the Blue Zones American Kitchen,

489
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 4: which I actually i'm kind of still on. That's one

490
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Speaker 4: hundred recipes to live to one hundred. The vast majority

491
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 4: of those costs less than two dollars of serving. You

492
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 4: can assemble them in fifteen to twenty minutes in an instapot.

493
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 4: So when you think about the time it takes you

494
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Speaker 4: to get in your car, drive to Burger Canyon wherever

495
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 4: you eat your fast food restaurant in line, wait, order

496
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 4: that food, and then drive back, it actually takes you

497
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 4: less time to assemble it. So I can give you

498
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 4: twenty meals that you can assemble in twenty minutes in

499
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 4: your own home with an instapot under two dollars of serving.

500
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Speaker 4: And I argue the very best investment you can make

501
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,479
Speaker 4: in your family's health is to get your hands out

502
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 4: a whole food, plant based cookbook. It can be Bluezonds

503
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 4: or there's lots of other ones. Page through it until

504
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 4: you find a dozen restaurants recipes that you think that

505
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 4: your family would like and make them together. I know

506
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 4: your family cooks and so forth together, But once you

507
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 4: find a handful that you actually like, my job is older.

508
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 4: You're you'll gravitate and these recipes taste way better than

509
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 4: a burger, and you feel a lot better fifteen minutes later,

510
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 4: which if you pay attention to that. You know, it

511
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 4: sells it on itself and it's completely affordable with you

512
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 4: know the Remember people in blue zones, they're not unlike us.

513
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Speaker 4: They don't have a ton of time. They like to

514
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 4: eat delicious food and by the way, they were poor.

515
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 4: They eat peasant foods, but they know how to combine

516
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Speaker 4: them to make them taste delicious.

517
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Speaker 3: Now, what about what about just the genetics behind sort

518
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: of what your body can you know, break down, you know,

519
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 3: as far as some of these food groups go. For instance,

520
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: like my wife, she can't eat keen wish, can't eat

521
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Speaker 3: certain grains because it really messes with her stomach, you know,

522
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Speaker 3: I mean, how do you take that into account when

523
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Speaker 3: you were saying, when we were saying, like this is

524
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Speaker 3: the way and this is the diet if in fact

525
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Speaker 3: some of these foods disagree with your makeup.

526
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Speaker 5: I have something to say about that, which is it's

527
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Speaker 5: probably honestly, the fact that she can't break down quemoa

528
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 5: has something to do with her gut and it being

529
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Speaker 5: a leaky gut. I think she needs to re kind

530
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Speaker 5: of structure her microbiomes so that her gut and her

531
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Speaker 5: can actually digest those things. I don't think that's the

532
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Speaker 5: function of her genetics. It's a function of.

533
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Speaker 3: There's also food allergies, and you.

534
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Speaker 1: Know, right right, well, I guess dan it is.

535
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Speaker 4: You should get an egg under them. And I'll tell

536
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Speaker 4: you what. Our microbial the one hundred troll eight or

537
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 4: so that curate in our gut. By the way, it's

538
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 4: our biggest organ It weighs between six and eight pounds,

539
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 4: so way bigger than anything else. And that is the

540
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Speaker 4: machinery that allows us to digest plant based food. And

541
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Speaker 4: it relies on fiber. If you feed your gut fiber,

542
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 4: it will produce something called short chain fatty acids, which,

543
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 4: once into your bloodstream, lower inflammation, fine tune your immune

544
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 4: system and actually sort of text your brain to release

545
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 4: feel good hormone. It's incredibly powerful. Standard American diet is

546
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 4: almost completely devoid of fiber. Only about twenty percent of

547
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 4: Americans don't get enough fiber. So what happens, and here's

548
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 4: where the chicken and any conundrum comes in. If you're

549
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 4: not feeding your gut fiber, that the bacteria that thrives

550
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 4: on fiber, they start turning to the mucous membrane on

551
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 4: the inside of your intestines and thin the walls between

552
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 4: your you know, your your your wasted and your blood stream.

553
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 4: So that's how in many cases leaky bou syndrome comes

554
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 4: to into play because people aren't eat enough fiber. You

555
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 4: can't just all of a sudden plunge a bunch of

556
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: fiber down that tube, say the way of quene Waw.

557
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 4: You have to build back up to it, and then

558
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: the bacteria that is used to a consuming fiber starts

559
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 4: to regenerate itself, and then the machinery is now ready

560
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 4: for a high fiber diet. And it only takes a

561
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 4: week or two. But you can't start big. You have

562
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 4: to start small, couple of tablespoons and then work your

563
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: way up to a cup of quinoa or a cup

564
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 4: of beans.

565
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, our bodies are really amazing how they can heal

566
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 5: themselves if we give them the time. And the microbiome

567
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 5: is a whole other podcast that is like, you know,

568
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 5: I know this doctor, he's out of Stanford Research in

569
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 5: one of the top sort of microbiome researchers and Larry

570
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 5: and he I love what he said. He goes, I

571
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 5: go what is the microbiome and he's like, it's ten

572
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 5: thousand galaxies. There's so much to our microbiome and understanding it,

573
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 5: and they're only like scratching the surface really of it

574
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 5: right now. But what we do know is that that

575
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 5: is like key to any inflammation in our system and

576
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 5: how we break anything down that's coming that we're eating,

577
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 5: and that we can actually you know, kind of.

578
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Speaker 1: We can't restructure, We can't put that.

579
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 5: We can't restructure our microbiome, you know, but we can

580
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 5: support it, and so we so in order to be

581
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 5: able to do that, there's all these things that you

582
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 5: can do. And I think that's part of what goes

583
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 5: on with a lot of people have a hard time

584
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 5: following strict diets because you kind of have to you

585
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 5: have to take the effort to do something really drastic

586
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 5: that feels drastic, but actually when you're doing it, it's

587
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 5: not that hard. But like it feels it's just habits,

588
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 5: isn't it like these habits.

589
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 3: Like do you believe in diets like to all these

590
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: different diets or is this all just kind of bullshit?

591
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: You know?

592
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: Like my friend's on the keyto and he lost like

593
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: a billion pounds and I feel amazing, and I can

594
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: eat all these fats you know, like, where do you

595
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: land on all these diets?

596
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 4: I did a fairly deep diet for this and for

597
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 4: National Geographic and neither me nor my team of researchers

598
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 4: could find any diet that worked for more than two

599
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 4: percent of the population after years, So they appear to

600
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 4: be very successful in the short run. Like sure, if

601
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 4: you eat a keto diet, which is essentially high fat,

602
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 4: high protein, no carbohydrates, you will lose weight, but your

603
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 4: body goes into something called katosis, which is very hard

604
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 4: on your liver and your your kidneys. And if I guarantee,

605
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 4: if you started one hundred people on a keto diet today,

606
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: you'll have about one left in two years. So the

607
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 4: important thing to realize when it comes to longevity that

608
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 4: unless it's something you're going to do for decades, don't

609
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 4: waste your time because it's you can't it's not going

610
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,959
Speaker 4: to have any impact on how long you live forty

611
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 4: years down the road. That's why we look for things

612
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 4: that are going to exert in luence for years or decades,

613
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 4: because that that's what works. Diets are good. You know,

614
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 4: if you if you need to squeeze into a dress,

615
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 4: which I'm guessing you don't have to do very often, Oliver,

616
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 4: but the party every Halloween, you.

617
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: Know, every Halloween and Saturday night.

618
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 4: That's for other podcasts. But yes, they work for that

619
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 4: if you know you need to drop ten pounds to

620
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 4: get no dress. But it's not a long term strategy,

621
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 4: never has been, probably never will be.

622
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Speaker 2: And what about intermittent fasting.

623
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Speaker 4: It works if you could stick with it again, It's

624
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Speaker 4: another thing that it's it's the big right now, it's

625
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 4: the number one diet in the country. But check back

626
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 4: in three years. I'll bet there'll be something that displaces.

627
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 4: But the intermitted fasting is a responsible way. I actually

628
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 4: at the beginning of the year, I went on a

629
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Speaker 4: six day no food fast, water only, which I think

630
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 4: is one of the you know, if you're healthy, ideally

631
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 4: under the supervision of the doctor's absolutely the best thing

632
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 4: you can do to lose weight, reboot your immune system.

633
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: Many cases of reverse auti immune diseases, and you know,

634
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 4: it's something humans have been doing throughout history, not by choice,

635
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 4: but in every blue zone. You know, they went through

636
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 4: periods of famine and epigenetically I believe uh they've benefited

637
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 4: from it.

638
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 5: Six days with just water, just water, ye I mean

639
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 5: clearly you probably didn't.

640
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Speaker 1: You have to like not do much.

641
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 5: You had to just where you you didn't exercise much

642
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 5: and just kind of chilled out right.

643
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 4: I went to h h to Wahaka to be pass

644
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 4: and a ten days silent meditation, and I spent this

645
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 4: first six days ineed. I just meditated for eleven hours

646
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 4: a day. Oh man, it's the absolute best woman to

647
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 4: start a year. You know, it's sold like I big

648
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 4: wasted time, but no better way to defragment the you know,

649
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 4: mental hard drive and get clarity for the future and concentration.

650
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 4: And you know, before I did it, I was bald

651
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 4: and weighed three hundred pounds and look could.

652
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: Be So when was the last time you were When

653
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: was the last time you were drunk? Like hammered?

654
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 4: I drink, but I I don't Hammered is not a

655
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 4: good investment for me anymore.

656
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657
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Speaker 2: Like I'm drunk.

658
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659
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660
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Speaker 4: red wine. I like the occasional tequila or two. But

661
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662
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665
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666
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Speaker 1: I have I have a question.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we talk a lot about the Blue Zones

692
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Speaker 5: and everything, but I kind of I mean, I want

693
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Speaker 5: to know.

694
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Speaker 1: A little bit more about what.

695
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Speaker 5: Got you, how you started your career. I mean, I

696
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Speaker 5: where did you grow up?

697
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 4: I grew up in Saint Paul, Minnesota. And then my

698
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 4: it was my dad there walk my dad comes all

699
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 4: my Blue Zone kitchen books. Dad came here for a second.

700
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 4: My dad was born on a farm, and I make

701
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 4: him come with me on all these the Blue Zone

702
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: cookbook and he tastes every recipe and if he did,

703
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 4: he just ditched me. If he gives it a thumbs down,

704
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 4: it doesn't go into the cookbook. If he gives it

705
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Speaker 4: a thumbs up. You know, we know Middle of Merkho

706
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Speaker 4: like it.

707
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Speaker 7: But that's my dad used to take us into the

708
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Speaker 7: Boundary Waters Canoe area for two weeks at a time,

709
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Speaker 7: and we paddled in and portaged and we lived in

710
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Speaker 7: the wilderness.

711
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Speaker 4: You know, when other kids we're going to Disney World,

712
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Speaker 4: we were in the middle of the hinterland and the

713
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Speaker 4: border of Canada. And then when I graduated from the university,

714
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Speaker 4: at time when most people are doing useful and productive things,

715
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Speaker 4: I set a world record for biking from Alaska to Argentina,

716
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Speaker 4: a second world record for biking around the world, and

717
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Speaker 4: a third world record for biking across Africa, which included

718
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Speaker 4: the Sahara Desert and then across the Congo. And we

719
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Speaker 4: did that unsupported.

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Speaker 2: That's instant supported.

721
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Speaker 4: Yeah, just four guys and a bike and pons.

722
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Speaker 1: Wow did you document this?

723
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Speaker 4: Yeah? In fact, I have one documentary that won a

724
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Speaker 4: local Emmy Award called Africa Trek. But this was before

725
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 4: you know, there was good documentation, and you know, it

726
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 4: was mostly just to set a record.

727
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Speaker 3: And I mean that some of those hardship hardship moments

728
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Speaker 3: must have been gnarly. I mean, I mean, I can't

729
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Speaker 3: imagine some of the things that you went through to

730
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Speaker 3: where you said, I can't. I gotta throw the talent,

731
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Speaker 3: but just kept persevering in elements like that.

732
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Speaker 4: Valaria, dysenteri, intestinal worms, hepatitis. Yeah, I'm a walking sideist.

733
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Speaker 5: You're just one of those guys. I know those guys. Dan,

734
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Speaker 5: When what I mean? Did you always know you wanted

735
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Speaker 5: to be an explorer? Was that always like when you

736
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 5: were a little kid. Was that is that where that happened?

737
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Speaker 5: Was it in the wilderness where you were like, this

738
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Speaker 5: is who this is what I always want to do

739
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Speaker 5: is explore.

740
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Speaker 4: I wanted to be a fireman when I was a kid,

741
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: and and and then I got involved in business. I

742
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 4: almost went to law school. I got into a bunch

743
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Speaker 4: of the law schools, but then had some psilocybin mushrooms

744
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 4: may or made out of accidentally falling into my mouth

745
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 4: and the time of my life, and I had this

746
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 4: very clear epimphany of at twenty four that I wasn't

747
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Speaker 4: going to go into the law school and I went

748
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 4: and lived in Europe. I raced bikes in Europe in

749
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Speaker 4: my early twenties.

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Speaker 1: There's Dad, there's dad. He's coming back wrong.

751
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Speaker 4: Here for a second. So yeah, so IM say so

752
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Speaker 4: my dad comes with me on all the expeditions.

753
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Speaker 5: Hi.

754
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 4: So he's visiting me from Minnesota and they came. They

755
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 4: came down for a week to experience some Miami. But

756
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 4: my dad had a root seller. He grew up in

757
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Speaker 4: a on a farm with without toilets, without electricity. They

758
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 4: used to crank a radio.

759
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

760
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Speaker 4: His Christmas gip was like an orange. And one year

761
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Speaker 4: he worked all summer long in a field to earn

762
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Speaker 4: a nickel to buy a cracker jack so he could

763
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Speaker 4: get Oh, I get a tender. It didn't have a

764
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 4: toy in there. What did you Roger? So fifty years

765
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Speaker 4: later I sent a complaint to Crackerjacks.

766
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Speaker 2: He sent me a case of cracker Jacks. It's amazing.

767
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Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's so nice to meet you. We

768
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Speaker 5: love your son. I uh and and I was just

769
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Speaker 5: getting into like why Dan, isn't it why he wanted

770
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Speaker 5: to be an explorer. But then he was explaining how

771
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Speaker 5: you guys lived in the wilderness, and it sounded sounds

772
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Speaker 5: kind of idyllic.

773
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 4: Actually it was actually actually he was wondering what he

774
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 4: could do, was grumbling because he was bored, and his

775
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 4: mother said, go outside and ride your bike.

776
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he took it to Africa.

777
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Speaker 4: Let our research in a Hawaii.

778
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Speaker 2: That's great. I want to be your dad.

779
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so nice to meet you.

780
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 2: Thank you. Nice to meet you.

781
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Speaker 4: He's going out to the beach now.

782
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Speaker 1: I mean, no, wonder where you get this?

783
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm very lucky.

784
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Speaker 1: You're so lucky.

785
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Speaker 3: I wait, I want to go back though, hold on,

786
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Speaker 3: I want to go back to the mushroom trips verified

787
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Speaker 3: by the way that.

788
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Speaker 4: Was just here.

789
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Speaker 3: But but but you know, aside from that, how do

790
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Speaker 3: you feel about sort of the psilocybin experience that is

791
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 3: sort of sweeping the world right now and what sort

792
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: of psychedelics might do to one's brain. Obviously, you know,

793
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 3: allegedly it had an impact on a direction that you

794
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Speaker 3: were going to go allegedly.

795
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, I think it used as medicine. It's

796
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 4: been around, you know. I like to look at what

797
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 4: humans have been doing for most of you know, the

798
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Speaker 4: human experience and shaman in Mexico and Central America and

799
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 4: the Amazon they've been using these plant medicines as medicine,

800
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: not as a recreation uh drop shrooms and going party,

801
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 4: but a diagnosed disease. We we we've been with shaman

802
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 4: as they did that I do believe, and I do

803
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 4: believe episodically, it does increase brain activity and capacity, sort

804
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 4: of like becoming a supercomputer for a while, you know,

805
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 4: your neural activity goes up exponentially. I do believe in

806
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 4: that window you have an opportunity to have a realizations

807
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 4: about yourself and your life that you don't have when

808
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 4: you're just uh programming programmatically going through life. But that said,

809
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 4: I would say, if if you really want an epiphany

810
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 4: about yourself and clarity, it's much better to do, say

811
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 4: a ten day silent meditation. I recommend be passion of

812
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 4: because it's structured and there's no they don't try to

813
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 4: convert you, and there's no religious trappings to it. It's

814
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 4: just pure. And you also, you know, most people, and

815
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Speaker 4: this has been catalog but or confirmed, that our attention

816
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 4: spans have dropped by about seventy five percent since the

817
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 4: advent of the handheld phone, and.

818
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Speaker 2: It's only going to get worse.

819
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, there's a very famous article donn

820
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 4: in the Journal of Science, which is one of the

821
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 4: top science journal lead author was a Harvard guy named

822
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 4: Dan Gilbert, that shows that a wandering mind is an

823
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 4: unhappy mind. So the beauty of a ten day silent

824
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 4: meditations you not only have the time for your subconscious

825
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 4: to collate things and for you to get clarity, but

826
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 4: also you emerge with great concentration and attention span that

827
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 4: you can maintain. It's something that's something you know psilocybin

828
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 4: won't do for you, or LSD won't do.

829
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Speaker 5: I find that, you know, I like project myself into

830
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 5: a ten day silent meditation thing where I just feel like,

831
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 5: three of those days I'll just cry. Oh my god,

832
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 5: I can't even imagine, like it must be such a release,

833
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 5: because you know, sometime when you're especially me and my brain,

834
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 5: you know, I'm so ruled by my head and I

835
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 5: and for me to like actually let go of that,

836
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 5: of the of it, the wandering or the constantly thinking

837
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 5: about things, or I would just need to cry.

838
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Speaker 1: And I would think that a lot of people do that.

839
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 4: They tell you day three and day eight, you're gonna cry,

840
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 4: and I'm like, bullshit, I'm not going to cruy. Sure enough,

841
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 4: molling you push things down. You don't even realize the

842
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 4: things you pushed out, and that it might be day

843
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 4: three or day eight, all of a sudden it comes

844
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 4: up and you see it again and you can't run

845
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 4: from it. You can't you know, dive into your phone

846
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 4: or get busy. You're it's just you, and that's that's

847
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 4: when you work things out. I mean, there's an incredible

848
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 4: amount of wisdom in your body that we just don't

849
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 4: pay attention to, that that ten days of silence will

850
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 4: will out.

851
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: Wow, amazing.

852
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 3: Let's let's talk about We've talked about sort of food

853
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 3: in the blue zone, you know what I mean. But

854
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 3: obviously longevity has a lot to do with stresses and

855
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: what happiness means to you and how you wake up

856
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: and live your life, know just from minute to minute,

857
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: hour to hour, and what stress can actually do. Stress

858
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: seems like the number one killer, honestly, and well we

859
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 3: all have it, you know. And how does that play

860
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 3: out within the blue zones as far as just that

861
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: waking up every day and having a purpose and living happy.

862
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Speaker 1: Didn't you do Blue Zones on happiness?

863
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

864
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wrote a cover story for Geographic on happiness,

865
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Speaker 4: and I have a book called The Blue Zones of Happiness.

866
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 4: And indeed, if you can people who are in the

867
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Speaker 4: top quintile or the top twenty percent of happiness live

868
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Speaker 4: about six years longer than people are at the bottom.

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Speaker 4: So if you can manage your life to be happy,

870
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,919
Speaker 4: you're quite right. So then you start asking yourself. Okay, Oliver,

871
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 4: you bring up a good point. Stress, I would not

872
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 4: say it's number one. I'd say it's the number two.

873
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 4: I think our diet is the number one killer right now.

874
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 4: But I agree with you stress. So then you start

875
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 4: to say, well, how do I reduce stress? Okay, dependable

876
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 4: ways to reduce stress. Our sleep eight hours, take a

877
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 4: nap actually lowers cortisol levels. Owning a dog. Every time

878
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 4: you pet a dog, your cortisol levels go down. Social interaction,

879
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 4: so you start asking yourself, well, how do I get

880
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 4: more of that in? And it's proactively surrounding yourself with

881
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 4: people who you like. There's a lot of existential stress

882
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 4: in America of people waking up and not knowing what

883
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 4: they're gonna do with their lives, not knowing what I

884
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 4: love to do, what my passions are, and what my

885
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 4: responsibilities are to my community. So taking the time to

886
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 4: get clear on those three things and make sure if

887
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 4: it's not your job, there's a volunteer outlet for the

888
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 4: very dependable way to release stress. You know, even if

889
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 4: you're going and walking dogs at the Humanian Society or

890
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 4: feeding people at homeless kitchens. That works. Takes effort, big

891
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 4: payoff on lowering stress. People who garden bikes, for example,

892
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 4: you know the little hard in LA but most of America,

893
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 4: where we're right around the corner is spring planning to garden.

894
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 4: Cortisol levels have been measured. A garden as a nudge

895
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 4: you get out there every day to plant or weed

896
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 4: or harvest or water. That lowerst cortisol levels and stress.

897
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 4: So once again, it has to do with setting up

898
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 4: your life. So you kind of unconsciously are napping. You

899
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 4: have a dog, so your pet a dog. You have

900
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 4: a garden, so I gotta go weed. You've cultivated a

901
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 4: great sense of friendships, belonging to a faith. These are

902
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 4: all things that work. They're episodic, they're long lasting, and

903
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 4: they work.

904
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That's interesting. How do you feel like you

905
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: happiness is personal?

906
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: I guess, Oliver from what Dan just said.

907
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 5: How I want to know from like one to ten,

908
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 5: how hard you're judging yourself right now?

909
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: I'm not.

910
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 3: I just think this whole idea that they say money

911
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 3: doesn't buy you happiness. Bullshit. I just back up the

912
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: brink struck and I'm gonna I'll be happy. I'm a

913
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 3: happy guy. I financial finances for me is the biggest

914
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 3: stressor in my life. I've got an amazing wife, I've

915
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 3: got amazing kids. I feel like I'm a talented person.

916
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: I work, I'm this, I'm this, But money putting the

917
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 3: kids through school, you know, living year to year, not

918
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 3: you know, big paycheck to paycheck. In a way, even

919
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 3: though I do make a good living, if I won

920
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 3: that one point three billion dollar lottery, it would take

921
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 3: a lot of stress out of my life, you know

922
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: what I mean. But other than that, what resonated with me, sorry,

923
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 3: is is the give back I worked up to. I

924
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 3: was voluntary at the children's hospital many years ago, and

925
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 3: it was just an amazing experience for me. And it's

926
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 3: it makes you sort of step way outside of your

927
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 3: head and it's no longer about you anymore. And that's

928
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: something that in my New Year's Resolutions with something that

929
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 3: I needed to get back to.

930
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 4: Anyway, the thing about money. You need money for what

931
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 4: you need money, and it has statistically speaking, a big

932
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 4: influence on your happiness for food, shelter, healthcare, education, mobility,

933
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 4: if you don't like where you're living, to move education.

934
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 4: But then at about one hundred and fifty thousand dollars

935
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 4: a year, and granted this is a US average, well

936
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 4: it's actually not even a US average. That's covered New

937
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 4: York and LA average. Maybe where you guys live in

938
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 4: LA is a little bit more. But after that, incremental

939
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 4: dollar does not bring incremental happiness. In other words, is

940
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 4: the flattening of the curve. And in fact, billion tend

941
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 4: to be less happy than millionaires. And you know, perhaps

942
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 4: the explanation of that is, to become a billionaire, you

943
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 4: often have to have done unsavory things to get where

944
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 4: you want, but you also have more stuff in your

945
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 4: life to worry about. You have often a big you know,

946
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 4: investments you're worrying about. You have more things to take

947
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 4: care of. You tend to have a partner in life

948
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 4: who's more demanding, and there's plenty of evidence to show

949
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 4: that after a while, you know, let's just say two

950
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars a year. I don't know what you make,

951
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 4: but you're if you're living in Iowa right now, listening

952
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 4: to this, it's more like seventy five thousand dollars a year.

953
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 4: After you make that amount of money, you're much better

954
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 4: off shifting your focus to other things statistically speaking, for happiness,

955
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 4: and those things are the one. The most important thing

956
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 4: for happiness are your social connections. Having friends who you

957
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 4: can count on on a bad day, with whom you

958
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 4: can have meaningful conversations, who exert a healthy influence on

959
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 4: your behaviors. That is the number one thing you can

960
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 4: do for happiness. The number two, statistically speaking is your health.

961
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 4: You could be a billionaire, but if you're overweighted and diabetic,

962
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 4: forget it. You're better off being broken and fit. And

963
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 4: then I would say the third most important thing that's

964
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 4: going to influence your happiness, and this is disruptive, but

965
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 4: it's where do you live? Yeah, you know, you take

966
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 4: unhappy people in places like Moldavia and Southeast Asian Africa

967
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 4: and you bring them to Denmark or Canada, and there's

968
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 4: big data behind this. Within one year, their sex doesn't change,

969
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 4: their age doesn't change much, the marital state of the religion,

970
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 4: almost nothing changes except where they live, and may start

971
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 4: reporting the happiest level of their adoptive home, which often

972
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 4: represents a doubling of happiness. There's nothing you can do

973
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 4: to double your happiness that I know of other than moving.

974
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 3: And oh huge, yes, god, that's so big. Especially for

975
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 3: me personally. My home is extremely important to me, and

976
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 3: I love where I live. I'm sort of over La.

977
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 3: But you get where you don't what I'm in Brentwood, Okay,

978
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 3: I be living in La. Yeah, but you get me

979
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 3: into the mountains or somewhere in nature and I'm like,

980
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 3: holy shit, like this is it? Nothing else matters anymore,

981
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 3: you know. And as far as money goes for me,

982
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 3: I am exactly what you said. I don't need to

983
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 3: have yachts and planes. Yeah, it would be nice for me.

984
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 3: It's more about that threshold. It's what you're talking about.

985
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 3: It's being able to every year just be comfortable and

986
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 3: know that it's all paid for. And as an actor,

987
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 3: someone in the in the arts, in this business, it's

988
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 3: feast or famine, you know. So you're making a ton

989
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 3: of money and you created a lifestyle for yourself, then

990
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: that job is gone. Now you have to maintain the life,

991
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 3: lifestyle that you have created when you were at your

992
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 3: highest and so that's where the stressors come in for me.

993
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 3: But as far as what you're talking about is where

994
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 3: you dwell, that resonates with me big time because you

995
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: can feel I can feel an actual physical shift in

996
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 3: my being when I am in a place, especially Colorado,

997
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 3: that just you know, it just changes my cells.

998
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: It feels like, you know.

999
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 4: The statistically happiest place in California is Saluis Obispo. Mm hmm.

1000
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 4: People there report a higher level of happiness than anywhere

1001
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 4: else in California. I think Stockton's worst, But.

1002
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 5: We wasn't San Luis Obispo where we had pause seventieth Yeah, yeah,

1003
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 5: that was it.

1004
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that's where Josh Algra lives, so I

1005
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 2: don't know. He might be lowering that curve, but that's

1006
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: a friend of ours, that friend of ours.

1007
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 3: Funny but slow is amazing.

1008
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: I mean it is beautiful there, It's awesome.

1009
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1010
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: I felt that way too when we were driving up there. Sometimes.

1011
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: I remember Danny and I took a hike.

1012
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 5: When he proposed to me, and literally as he was

1013
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 5: trying to get the ring behind me, I was saying

1014
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 5: to him, as I was looking at the ocean, why

1015
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 5: don't we live on the ocean, like why don't we

1016
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 5: I had this whole thing of like, I mean, we

1017
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 5: kind of do live on the ocean, but like, why

1018
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 5: am I why do we not live where we want

1019
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 5: to live, like where we really want to live? And

1020
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 5: then I turned around and my focus changed.

1021
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, but the thing is, like there are factors,

1022
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: you know.

1023
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to make this all about myself,

1024
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 3: but I'm talking about myself.

1025
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: My kids. You know, they love LA. They want to

1026
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: be in LA.

1027
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 3: They don't want to move anywhere, you know, and I

1028
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 3: have to respect that, you know. I know they have

1029
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 3: their friends and they have their life and they're happy.

1030
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 3: I don't want to pull them out of that, you

1031
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So it's just a timing situation.

1032
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 3: I will get out of LA at some point.

1033
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1034
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: Well, sacrifice.

1035
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes you make your kids do things that it'll

1036
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 4: want to do, and color intuitively, they're thankful for it

1037
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 4: at the end.

1038
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 2: Yes.

1039
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I also think too. You know, there's also great

1040
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 5: comfort for me. I realized that I don't really like

1041
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 5: being in one place all the time either, you know.

1042
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: I like to travel, I like to see the world.

1043
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 5: I like to be in different places, and like you know,

1044
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 5: and this idea that like there's one place for me

1045
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 5: to be. You know, I kind of I kind of

1046
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 5: find that I find more happiness when I get rid

1047
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 5: of that construct. Yeah, you know that if I if

1048
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 5: you do have again the means to be able to

1049
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 5: do that, then that might be what makes you happier

1050
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 5: than just having.

1051
00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: One home, you know, one place, one abode.

1052
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 5: That you you know, like we all have different lifestyles.

1053
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so true.

1054
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 3: It's like you're talking about sort of economic status definitely

1055
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 3: changes your what your ability is to.

1056
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I think that way.

1057
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 5: But I also think there's another thing, Like I think

1058
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 5: if I didn't even if I didn't have the economic

1059
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 5: status that I do, that I'd still figure out a

1060
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 5: way to get to the places that I want to be.

1061
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 5: That I'd get on like the cheap, very ticket to

1062
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 5: get somewhere and go stay in a friend's.

1063
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: You know, couch.

1064
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 5: Like I still feel like there's a mentality, Like everyone

1065
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 5: has their own thing that makes them happy. Some people

1066
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 5: are more searchers and like to explore more, and some

1067
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 5: people like to feel more grounded and are more rooted

1068
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 5: in their domesticity. And you know, I think what brings you.

1069
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: You know, what what can bring.

1070
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 5: Happiness is really like you know and Dan you said it,

1071
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 5: it's creating the environment that.

1072
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: It's the environment you choose to be in.

1073
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 4: The whole point behind the blue zone of the blue

1074
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 4: zones of happiness. It turns out what most people think

1075
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 4: brings happiness is misguided or just plain wrong. And the

1076
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 4: approach we took was not anecdotal. There are these vast databases,

1077
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 4: the Gallop Whirldpole, the eurobaromer, the Latino barometers, and you

1078
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 4: combine them together and it represents about ninety five percent

1079
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 4: of the human population, tens of millions of data points.

1080
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 4: And through this sort of mathematical overture called regression analysis,

1081
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 4: these surveys ask people two different ways how happy they are, so,

1082
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 4: how they assess their life as a whole, and how

1083
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 4: they've been feeling lately, So they get a number for that,

1084
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 4: and then they ask seventy five other questions about your value,

1085
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 4: what you do with your life, how much money you make,

1086
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 4: your religiosity, your marital standard, your age. And through this

1087
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 4: regression analysis or through correlation, they can find out exactly

1088
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 4: what characteristics travel with people who say they're happy, and

1089
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 4: what are the characteristics that travel with people who say

1090
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 4: they're not unhappy and very clear in situations emerge. So,

1091
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 4: for example, we know that having children has a very

1092
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 4: positive impact on how you evaluate your life, something called

1093
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 4: life satisfaction, but it has a negative impact on how

1094
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 4: you experience your life. Your happiness actually goes down having children,

1095
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 4: So it's a two edged sort a. You know, we

1096
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 4: tend to think we're going to be happier in our

1097
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 4: twenties and thirties, and actually age is what's called a

1098
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 4: U shaped curve. We are pretty happy in our twenties

1099
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 4: and thirties. The worst years are when we're in our

1100
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 4: forties and fifties. But then happiness increases again and it

1101
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 4: continues to rise into your hundreds as long as you

1102
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 4: keep your health, so actually getting older, you get happier.

1103
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 4: The speech spot, as I mentioned before for income is

1104
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 4: about one hundred and fifty grand a year if you

1105
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 4: live on the coast, at about ninety grand a year

1106
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 4: if you live inside. Married people or people want to

1107
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 4: commit a relationship are happier than single single people across

1108
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 4: the board of healthy people are happier than non healthy people.

1109
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 4: Religious people tend to be slightly happier than non religious people.

1110
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 4: So when you see the data, it gives you a

1111
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 4: really good It's a little bit like Vegas. It tells

1112
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 4: you how to add aces and jokers to your hand

1113
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 4: if you're playing Blackjacket. It's not a guarantee, but you

1114
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 4: can see the things that, over time are likely to

1115
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 4: produce greater head happiness.

1116
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 3: What is what makes you happy? Like, where are you

1117
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 3: in your sweet spot?

1118
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 4: I'm very clear, So it's no coincidence that I have.

1119
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 4: By the way, if you live on the water and

1120
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 4: you control for all other variables, you're about ten percent happier.

1121
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 4: So your gut was right, Kate. I mean people live

1122
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 4: on the water, whether it's the river, lake or a notion.

1123
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 4: So oh, you know, I have three places. They're all

1124
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 4: on the water, ones on the ocean, ones on it,

1125
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 4: and two of them are lakes. People who live in

1126
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 4: walkable communities across the border are happier than people who

1127
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 4: live in rural areas or suburbs. So I live in

1128
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 4: very walkable areas. I'm very intentional about the people I

1129
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 4: surround myself with. I'm very when I find somebody who's

1130
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 4: a good soul, who makes me happy and who's healthy.

1131
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 4: I proactively bring them into my circle. And likewise, I

1132
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 4: have triage and number of people in the last decade

1133
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 4: and you know, I don't dump them, but they just

1134
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 4: don't hear from me as much. If they need help,

1135
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 4: I'm there to help. So I prioritize my social There's

1136
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 4: not a day that goes by where I don't do

1137
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 4: something physical because I know health is or you know,

1138
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 4: I do something every day, but something I like, I'm

1139
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 4: on a current quest for a partner I wish I had,

1140
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 4: you know, I wish I had a partner, but I

1141
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 4: don't right now, and I know that would stack the

1142
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 4: deck in favor of happiness.

1143
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: And you know, I have some ideas, Dan, we'll talk

1144
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: about this time.

1145
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 4: We'll talk about.

1146
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna ask the.

1147
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask the other other side of that question,

1148
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 3: which is like, where do you think you could be better?

1149
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, because we're all sort of

1150
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 3: striving to be better as humans.

1151
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 2: You know, where where do you think you can be better?

1152
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 4: I could volunteer more, quite honestly, and I could be

1153
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 4: you know, I have the same gene you do, Kate,

1154
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 4: and that sorry of nomadic you know, often want to

1155
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 4: be elsewhere, and I'm always elsewhere, So I would say, actually,

1156
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 4: if if I could stay put a little bit more,

1157
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 4: I think I'd be a little bit better off.

1158
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 5: I love this, Okay, Jos, This is amazing for anyone listening,

1159
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 5: and I love hearing what brings you happiness. But I

1160
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 5: think for anyone listening that finds these things really challenging

1161
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 5: for them and feels daunted by the process of changing

1162
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 5: their lifestyle, what would be the top three things that

1163
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 5: you'd say to start doing that are simple and easy

1164
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 5: that could get them on a good path to being healthier,

1165
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 5: more and have better long.

1166
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 4: One beyond a shadow of adell start with the blank

1167
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 4: screen or blank piece of paper and write down in

1168
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 4: the names, and you're the five closest people to you

1169
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 4: number one. If you don't have five closest people, that's

1170
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 4: your number one focus is to make friends with somebody,

1171
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 4: and that if your friends, you know, smoke or drink

1172
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 4: too much or sit a moron, you know, eat chips

1173
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 4: and watch TV for fun, then I would start thinking

1174
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 4: about cur rating, proactively adding healthy, happy people to your

1175
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 4: media social service. I know that's completely different way to

1176
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 4: think about it, but there is a mount of research

1177
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 4: that shows friends number one have a measurable impact on

1178
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 4: our happiness and our health, and number two, friends are

1179
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 4: long term adventures we tend to have. I've been friends

1180
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 4: with your mom for a decade for you, so we're

1181
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 4: still number two. I would if you don't have a

1182
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 4: dog and a dog easy. Dogs need to be walked

1183
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 4: every day. Therefore, guess who else gets walked every day?

1184
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 4: The human walking gets you ninety percent of training for

1185
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 4: a marathon. If you can get out forty five minutes

1186
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 4: a day, man, you're ahead of eighty percent of Americans.

1187
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 4: So super easy. And then get get a plant based

1188
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 4: cook and pick a dozen recipes and cook them over

1189
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 4: the next one and find a handful you'll like. You're

1190
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 4: never gonna move towards a healthier dialist. Hey, you know

1191
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 4: how to cook it. Two you know you like it,

1192
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 4: and three your family it's gonna like it too, So

1193
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 4: cook it with your family that you know. I know

1194
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 4: these aren't things your other places, but but I know

1195
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 4: they work, all.

1196
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: Right, Dan, I always love talking to you.

1197
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 5: I'm so happy you got Allie, got a chance to

1198
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 5: meet you.

1199
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: And how it's by or do you feel right now?

1200
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1201
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean are you moving. You're moving, You're moving back to.

1202
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 2: As the plant. Yeah. Well, I mean, look, I do

1203
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 2: a lot.

1204
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 3: The only thing I do I drink too much and

1205
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 3: I smoke cigarettes, you know what I mean, Like I

1206
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 3: need to stop doing that. I move my body every day.

1207
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 3: I mean, whether I'm on my mountain bike or even

1208
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 3: walking or whatever. Like I am physical. I'm just skiing

1209
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 3: for three days, you know, I'm physical. And then it's

1210
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 3: about finding a practice. It's it's not for me. Religion

1211
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 3: is a funny thing, but more of a faith and

1212
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 3: spirituality is something that I definitely need to do.

1213
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 2: And then being more charitable, you know.

1214
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 3: I mean, these are things that are definitely coming up

1215
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 3: and it's one hundred percent inspiring. It gives you motivation

1216
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 3: in this moment to say, okay, it's time to get better.

1217
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 2: And and of course, I mean without a doubt.

1218
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 1: I love it. I feel inspired.

1219
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to like go, I'm going to go

1220
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 5: na Amio horange Kio for thirty minutes. But I also

1221
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 5: feel like that there is something about the church of

1222
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 5: it all, like like.

1223
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: Finding that community.

1224
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 5: You know, it doesn't have to be a sure you know,

1225
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 5: but whatever that community is of people that even if

1226
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 5: it's like sound bowls, like people like loving to do

1227
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 5: you know, gathering and doing sound bowl meditations and like that.

1228
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: You know, that's that can be your church, you know.

1229
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, But it's also it's also so specific. Like

1230
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 3: you know, we have friends like an Angine Arland who

1231
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 3: are dedicating their lives to sort of health and and

1232
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 3: biohacking and all of that, and they're clean and they

1233
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 3: don't do anything that is fun. To me, I love

1234
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 3: the indulgences of life, you know what I mean. I

1235
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 3: love to drink and I love cigarettes. It's fun. And

1236
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 3: I love my weed and traveling and eat indulgent crazy

1237
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 3: food and like, to me, that is happiness.

1238
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 2: There's a part of it, you know what I mean.

1239
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 2: So I could never live the.

1240
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 3: Lifestyle that they live. I'd end up like losing my mind.

1241
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 2: You know.

1242
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 4: Wait, wait a minute. In blue zones, they party, they

1243
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 4: drink every day, they indulgent food. It just doesn't happen

1244
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 4: to be you know, bone marrow and pork belly. Right.

1245
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 4: And by the way, here's something courageous. Well, I hate

1246
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 4: to tell you, smokers are less happy than non smokers.

1247
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 4: So in the long run, curb the smoke can have it.

1248
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 4: I hate say al it wou'd be a good idea, but.

1249
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 2: People, I'm going to and not that.

1250
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 4: We did get a survey, as it's in the New

1251
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 4: York Times piece I wrote called the Island where People

1252
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 4: Forget to Die. We found that about eighty percent of

1253
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 4: the ninety year olds who are still having sex every day,

1254
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 4: by the way, or twice a week, they used to smoke,

1255
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 4: and they smoking and they still were able to live

1256
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 4: a long life, but they quit smoking. So yeah, that's

1257
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 4: one thing I'd love to see you.

1258
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1259
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 5: I have to say this because I loved just I

1260
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:40,919
Speaker 5: used to love to smoke, and quitting smoking completely changed

1261
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 5: my life and I and I could pinpoint what it was.

1262
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:45,520
Speaker 1: It took me away.

1263
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 5: From the people that I loved. I'd walk away. I

1264
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,839
Speaker 5: became all all I wanted to do is be alone.

1265
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:55,520
Speaker 5: And so the things that I would normally do, cooking, crafting,

1266
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 5: the things that.

1267
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,560
Speaker 1: I really loved to do, I wasn't doing.

1268
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 5: Because I was hiding from my family and it actually

1269
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 5: made me unhappy. And when I quit smoking and then

1270
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 5: was able to get past the hard part of quitting smoking,

1271
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 5: I realize every things become more abundant, you do more.

1272
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 5: You're more active, not just active like Phis I could,

1273
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 5: like I could run like five miles and just smoke

1274
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 5: a cigarette.

1275
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 1: I was one of those. But I but I too,

1276
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: But I still it's more about the things that I

1277
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: am focusing on. Period.

1278
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, you just feel better. You wake up

1279
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 2: just feeling better.

1280
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 3: But hold on real quick, then then we're going to

1281
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 3: go because we forgot to talk about sex.

1282
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:37,759
Speaker 2: Because sex is massive.

1283
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 3: Like, I just feel like that is such a huge

1284
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 3: part of my life too. I'm a very sexually active, insane,

1285
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 3: crazy person.

1286
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 2: Rose, But like you know, yeah, you're you're much grosser.

1287
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 4: Well, if you're over fifty and you're a mean sex

1288
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 4: at least twice a week, you're about half the rate

1289
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 4: immortality of your friends are not getting it. So it's

1290
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's psychosomatic or if it's a

1291
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 4: selection bias, but having sex is definitely part of the longevity.

1292
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 4: Longevity formula. And as I said, these this one population

1293
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 4: we were able to follow until they're ninety five, most

1294
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 4: of them, over eighty percent of them, we're still having

1295
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 4: sex twice a week.

1296
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 2: Wow, it's amazing, you know.

1297
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 1: Without with.

1298
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:29,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, with no viagra.

1299
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 3: I mean they needed it, they needed a shoehorn to

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Speaker 3: get it in there.

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Speaker 4: But like it's you eat a plant based diet, you

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Speaker 4: need a plant based diet. You don't need viagra. It's yeah,

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Speaker 4: people ain't the fatty crappy diet, junk food, sugar, too

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Speaker 4: much meat, cheese, and eggs. Their oprahs get clogged and

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Speaker 4: so to keep blood vessels that you know, sort of.

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Speaker 2: Make it go up and down.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is fascinating and real.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 2: Dan, we love you, all right, Dan, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: All right, thank you, bye, guys.

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Speaker 3: Sibling Revelry is executive produced by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 5: Producer is Alison, President, editor is Josh Wendish. Music by

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Speaker 5: Mark Hudson aka Uncle Mark.

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