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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Happy Thursday, Ryan Grim, pleasure to seez Her.

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Speaker 4: Good to see you.

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Speaker 5: I'll be channeling Sager today, so good look for those

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Speaker 5: takes from Obi on this side.

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Speaker 3: Excellent, looking forward to that. We've got a lot of that.

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Speaker 2: This was one of those shows we added, all planned

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Speaker 2: out three pm. We did our call, we thought we

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Speaker 2: were set, and then yeah, kept thanks news. Trump's agenda,

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Speaker 2: we need a night show, I guess, I guess so

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Speaker 2: or something. Trump's agenda has been significantly curtailed just in

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Speaker 2: the past day by a series of court decisions. In particular,

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Speaker 2: we have a court saying, hey, you cannot just across

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Speaker 2: the board use this power to levy tariffs, so the

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Speaker 2: tariff agenda.

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Speaker 3: We have Elon officially.

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Speaker 2: Out making his announcement on Twitter saying I've enjoyed my

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Speaker 2: time as a special government employee. We have another court

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Speaker 2: that said the law that has been used to detain

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Speaker 2: Machmud Khalil and other students for speech with no allegations

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Speaker 2: of criminality, that that law itself is unconstitutional. We had

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Speaker 2: another significant ruling with regard to.

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Speaker 5: Castenia Petrova, this Harvard Medical Research umor. They said she

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Speaker 5: had embryo samples in her carry on when she came

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Speaker 5: just locked her up and are still holding her in detention.

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Speaker 5: But the judge said this is illegal, and Ice is like, well,

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Speaker 5: we're still going to keep her.

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Speaker 3: So now now it's a fight standoff. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So we've got huge movement on economics, on dough on immigration.

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Speaker 2: We also have a bunch of updates for you with

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Speaker 2: regard to Israel. Ryan's all over this and drop site.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Skahill Wikoff is saying that they're on the precipice.

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Speaker 3: Of a potential deal.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we've heard some things before, so there's always

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Speaker 2: reason for skepticism, but there are some reasons to believe

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Speaker 2: maybe this time it's different. Also, have some fun clips

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Speaker 2: for you from Piers Morgan, Norm Finklestein versus Benny Morris

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Speaker 2: that I thought you would enjoy. We've got also updates

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Speaker 2: with regard to the Iran negotiations. We've got a major

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Speaker 2: developer of AI saying that it is going to.

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Speaker 3: Be a blood bath for white collar workers.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not talking a decade now, he's talking like

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Speaker 2: got new criminal charges against the tape brothers in the UK,

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Speaker 2: So a bunch of things to talk through.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, all right, let's get to Indeed we do.

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Speaker 3: Indeed the line right there we go. Yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 3: We have an amazing show for you today. Indeed we do.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get to the tariffs and the latest. So

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Speaker 2: before the whole tariff regime was struck down, there was

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Speaker 2: an interesting dynamic playing out with Trump where some reporters

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Speaker 2: published was Axios that published this that traders were talking

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Speaker 2: about the quote unquote taco trade, which I know you

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Speaker 2: and Emily referred to, which stands for Trump always chickens out.

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Speaker 2: So some foolish reporter made the mistake of asking him

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Speaker 3: That tempting fait like trying like.

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Speaker 2: You're not supposed to tell him that's what we're saying

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Speaker 2: about him in the Oval office. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 2: take a listen to how Trump responded to that.

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Speaker 3: Mister President. Wall Street less have coined a new term

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Speaker 3: called the taco trade. They're saying, Trump always chickens out

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Speaker 6: I kick out, kick it out.

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Speaker 7: Oh, then I check it out.

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Speaker 8: I've never heard that.

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Speaker 7: You mean because I reduced China from one hundred and

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Speaker 3: Nasty question.

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Speaker 2: And Ryan just on the basis of that, and people

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Speaker 2: of like psychologizing this president, and then he wouldn't want

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Speaker 2: and doubters wrong. So that's where we were before the

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Speaker 5: Yick, I'm all for our transparency. I want journalists to

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Speaker 5: press our leaders on the issues of the day.

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Speaker 4: But couldn't we have let this one go?

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Speaker 2: And did we really need to dare him to destroy

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Speaker 3: Do we really need to do that?

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Speaker 5: Imagine somebody coming in saying Israel says, you're too much

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Speaker 5: for a chicken to nu karan, so they say, you

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Speaker 5: won't do it. He's who said that, like Marty McFly

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Speaker 5: over here World War three.

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Speaker 4: So that he can you just can't. I'll being called

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Speaker 4: a chicken. So yes, So basically the courts had to

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Speaker 3: Yeh pay hours later we get this decision. Hold the phone.

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Speaker 4: The whole world was so panicked. They're like, what can

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Speaker 5: And so we can put up a three the International

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Speaker 5: Court of Trade, which I hadn't even been following this case,

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Speaker 5: but a company sued, saying, look, the authority under which

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Speaker 5: Trump is laying down all of these tariffs is way

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Speaker 5: outside what Congress has delegated to the president. And I

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Speaker 5: feel guilty here for not kind of going back and

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Speaker 5: reading some of these tariff laws, although oftentimes I go

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Speaker 5: now does not comply with this law.

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Speaker 3: And it's like, okay, so what right?

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Speaker 6: Thanks?

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Speaker 4: Thanks Spencer, Like, who cares?

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Speaker 5: Right, It's about power, So you can identify this and

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Speaker 5: it still doesn't matter. This company identified it and took

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Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, this is true. You can.

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Speaker 5: So we all understand that the president as the unilateral

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Speaker 5: authority to move tariffs because Congress has delegated.

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Speaker 4: That power to him.

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Speaker 5: But Congress did it in a very specific way for

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Speaker 5: a national emergency for when particular industries are you know,

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Speaker 5: need help, and you can't have Congress coming in and

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Speaker 5: you know, moving tariffs by five percent on the aluminum

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Speaker 5: industry every time on every country, but they never delegated

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Speaker 5: the power to move tariffs on every country all at once, right,

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Speaker 5: and the judges like, no, yeah, you can't do this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this was one I really looked into it

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Speaker 2: at the beginning, like right after Liberation Day, and I

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Speaker 2: always felt that there was a good chance it would

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Speaker 2: the trumpet pointed judges and the Supreme Court, which is

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Speaker 2: profoundly conservative on a lot of social and cultural issues,

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Speaker 2: of them Chamber of Commerce type conservatives in the court system.

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Speaker 2: And you know, when you think about the basics of

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Speaker 2: our constitution, the power of the purse obviously rests with Congress,

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Speaker 2: and so the idea that any president could just with

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Speaker 2: an executive order or with a tweet or whatever, completely

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Speaker 2: upend our economic system, the global economic system, that always

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Speaker 2: seemed let's just say, far fetch Yeah, And I read

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Speaker 2: some legal analyzes at the time that seemed to think

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Speaker 2: that there was a good chance that it would be

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Speaker 2: struck down. But like you, I hadn't been following the

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Speaker 2: specifics of where the cases were and how they were

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Speaker 2: working their way through. Now he does have significant power

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Speaker 2: still to levy tariffs, and some of the analysis I

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Speaker 2: was reading yesterday is he's likely to shift to using

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Speaker 2: the Section two thirty two tariffs, so like the sectoral tariffs,

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Speaker 2: where you can say effectively like, oh, this particular industry

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Speaker 2: is really important for national defense. So like the steel tariffs, right,

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Speaker 2: are probably on really solid ground with regard to the

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Speaker 2: Section two thirty two powers. This is a national defense

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Speaker 2: you know, there's a national security threat involved here. We're

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Speaker 2: going to put thesectoral tariffs on this one particular industry.

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Speaker 2: But in terms of saying, hey, entire globe, including islands

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Speaker 2: with jes penguas on it, this is what we're doing,

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Speaker 2: that piece seems to be struck down.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 2: The other question with the Trump administration, as always, is

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: I'm curious your thoughts on this, And I saw you

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Speaker 2: tweeting about this. I suspect because Trump has already backed

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Speaker 2: I suspect they may actually comply broadly with this, with

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Speaker 2: the more maximalist direction for his trade war. And in addition,

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Speaker 2: even before the appeal goes through and all those things happen,

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Speaker 2: like if you're the EU or you're Japan or you're

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Speaker 2: that the courts are already saying this isn't constitutional. So

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Speaker 2: you are much less likely to bend to whatever it

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Speaker 2: is his desires are, you know, giving them starlink and

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Speaker 2: zero percent terris or whatever the and a you know,

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Speaker 2: development deal for his sons or whatever the you know,

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Speaker 2: conjours of that are. You are much likely to bend

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Speaker 2: the courts are probably going to say you can't do

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Speaker 2: this anyway.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And if you're one of the kind of anti

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Speaker 5: tariff people in the White House, you're going to use

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Speaker 5: this moment to say, look, let's let's let's seize off

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Speaker 5: a little bit like we're not allowed to do this.

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Speaker 4: Let's take take the win.

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Speaker 5: Now, Now you're not chickening out right like you were

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Speaker 5: totally willing to do this, but now you can, you

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Speaker 5: can say, hey, I would have done it because tariffs

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Speaker 5: worked for him as a political messaging device to show

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Speaker 5: that he cares about the American worker.

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Speaker 3: You mean, like in the camp in the campaign.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so it was a stand in for I'm going

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Speaker 4: to fight for you.

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Speaker 5: They don't work so well when he lays them out

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Speaker 5: so incompetently, yes, and insanely.

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Speaker 4: The American workers are going to layoffs already, yeah, because

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Speaker 5: So this would allow him to have the rhetorical win.

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Speaker 5: I fought for you, yes, and I want to fight

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Speaker 5: for you, and I'm going to continue fighting for you.

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Speaker 5: But I'm also not gonna but you're then not going

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Speaker 2: I mean it's so bad that even Wall Street is like,

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Speaker 2: We know it's going to be like the tech billionaires,

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Speaker 5: Somebody needs to do these jobs. And I'm not talking

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Speaker 3: Right, No, that's that is exactly right. That is exactly right.

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Speaker 2: So there's a good chance here that there's already you know,

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Speaker 3: Get our hands on. Right.

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Speaker 5: This company like based in Taiwan, which is just a hilarious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right. See, let's see how that works out.

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Speaker 2: It's really strategic planning from our bold strategy. Let's get

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Speaker 2: And you know, we're claiming that it's because of national

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Speaker 2: security reasons or you know, is a threat to our

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Speaker 2: foreign affairs. Preposterous. So we have another judge. You put

444
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Speaker 2: a seven up on the screen. Have another judge now

445
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Speaker 2: who came in federal New Jersey court ruling that those

446
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Speaker 2: foreign policy grounds under which Mackmood Khalil was detained are

447
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Speaker 2: likely unconstitutional. Court rules that Khalil is likely to succeed

448
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Speaker 2: on the merits of his claim that the Trump administration's

449
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Speaker 2: foreign policy charge is unconstitutionally vague. This would have implications

450
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Speaker 2: not just for Mackmood Khalil, but this same law has

451
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Speaker 2: been the justification, for example, with Ramesa os Turk, who

452
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Speaker 2: you know, just rode in not bed, so it's clearly

453
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Speaker 2: just speech. And they use the same justification here. There

454
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Speaker 2: may be in their uh most of Madawi also they

455
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Speaker 2: use this same justification. There may be other students that

456
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Speaker 2: we're not aware of where you know, we haven't had

457
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Speaker 2: public reporting on it. And so the fact that you've

458
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Speaker 2: got a court saying listen, they're likely to find that

459
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Speaker 2: this is just not constitutional at all is a significant

460
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Speaker 2: blow to their ability to just decide any random student

461
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Speaker 2: is someone they don't like who said something that they

462
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Speaker 2: aren't comfortable with, or you know, for whatever reason want

463
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Speaker 2: to snatch up and arrest and deport. So really significant

464
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Speaker 2: development here with this one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the argument from Rubio and from the administration

466
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Speaker 5: is that it is a privilege to come here, and

467
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Speaker 5: that the US does not have to allow people to

468
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Speaker 5: come here, and if they're going to and if they

469
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Speaker 5: would have known ahead of time that they were going

470
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Speaker 5: to protest against Israel, they wouldn't have granted the visa

471
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Speaker 5: in the first place, and so therefore they're rescinding it.

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Speaker 5: And then after they rescind it, they say you're here

473
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Speaker 5: illegally and they put you in jail, which is the

474
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Speaker 5: case of the Harvard researcher who's.

475
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Speaker 3: Locked up right now.

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Speaker 4: And so that's the argument.

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Speaker 5: The counter argument is that, you know, the First Amendment

478
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Speaker 5: applies to everybody in the country, right, If they want

479
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Speaker 5: to do some vetting and look for anybody who has

480
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Speaker 5: been critical of Israel and reject them for student visas,

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Speaker 5: they could probably get away with that because primarily because

482
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Speaker 5: the person getting rejected I wouldn't know why they got rejected, right.

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Speaker 4: It's like they would just say, oh, you're not getting a.

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Speaker 2: Visa, right the first the First Amendment applies to anyone

485
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Speaker 2: who's here, So if you're not here yet, then yes,

486
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Speaker 2: you can probably block whoever you want from coming or whatever.

487
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Speaker 5: Like one of Lember's applying for this job, she said

488
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Speaker 5: she wants to she'll vet all of these.

489
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Speaker 2: Yes, she said, it's like her dream job in charge

490
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Speaker 2: of sifting through the social media accounts of young people

491
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Speaker 2: who want to study.

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Speaker 5: In those guys with AI it would be an increasingly

493
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Speaker 5: accomplishable surveillance task. If you can link the accounts to

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Speaker 5: the people, then you can just you should be able

495
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Speaker 5: to eventually be able to do that kind of analysis. Yeah,

496
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Speaker 5: and you would just get some sentiment analysis from a

497
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Speaker 5: machine that says, this person looks it looks a little

498
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Speaker 5: bit too sympathetic to children.

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Speaker 3: It's just incredible.

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Speaker 4: They cannot come to our Oh.

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Speaker 2: They retweeted, Miss Rachel can't have this person from the

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Speaker 2: ages of two to five.

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Speaker 4: They watched Miss Rachel.

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Speaker 2: Religiously forget it, forget it, this person cannot possibly be

505
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Speaker 2: in this country. And then just go over one more time,

506
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Speaker 2: Ryan the details with the Russian scientists, because it's another

507
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Speaker 2: significant one in terms of, you know, undercutting some of

508
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Speaker 2: the maximal samems of the Trump and men that have

509
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Speaker 2: been unpopular.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is so because Sennya Petrovo, who's a she's

511
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Speaker 5: from Russia, but she's at a research at Harvard Medical School,

512
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Speaker 5: thirty one years old, said to be just utterly brilliant

513
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Speaker 5: and researchers at this age, scientists at this age are

514
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Speaker 5: doing their best work.

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Speaker 4: Like, so she's been locked up for months.

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Speaker 5: Now, wow, these you know, whenever you see somebody who

517
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Speaker 5: won a Nobel like, it's usually for work when they

518
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Speaker 5: were like twenty seven years old. Like whatever it is

519
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Speaker 5: about the scientific brain, like it really pops off when

520
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Speaker 5: it first starts engaging with all of the history that's

521
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Speaker 5: come before it, and then that you have your freshest ideas.

522
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Speaker 5: And they'll say in like mathematics and physics and these

523
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Speaker 5: all these other disciplines that by the time you're like

524
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Speaker 5: thirty five, you're teaching, you're smart, but you're like, your

525
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Speaker 5: brain is just not working in the way that's going

526
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Speaker 5: to produce no Bell like breakthroughs. And so Petrova has

527
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Speaker 5: developed this this way of seeing cancer cells that couldn't

528
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Speaker 5: have been seen before. And when my wife was at

529
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Speaker 5: an appointment, the college just made an interesting point where

530
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Speaker 5: we're saying, oh, what's the scan show?

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Speaker 3: What's this show?

532
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Speaker 5: And they said, you know, you can we can only

533
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Speaker 5: we can only see what we can see. And we

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Speaker 5: have imaging techniques, you know, a variety of different imaging

535
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Speaker 5: techniques to try to see more. But beyond that it's

536
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Speaker 5: we're still it's a human eye. And then it's you know,

537
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Speaker 5: advanced through these different techniques. And so there's a lot

538
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Speaker 5: that we currently can't see. So is the body cancer free?

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Speaker 5: We think so, but we we literally can't see it.

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Speaker 5: And I'd never I'd never thought about that before because

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Speaker 5: I just see all these fancy machines that cost thousands

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Speaker 5: dollars to use.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like they see everything right down to the cell.

544
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Speaker 5: If a metal detector can find the ring on the beach,

545
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Speaker 5: this cat scan or m R I or PET scan,

546
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Speaker 5: they can figure this out.

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Speaker 4: And no, that's not true. Like we're still advancing.

548
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Speaker 5: And so she has made some of the most significant

549
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Speaker 5: advances in recent times to be able to see more

550
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Speaker 5: and accordinate to her colleagues at Harvard. She wrote a

551
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Speaker 5: lot of the code and she's the only one that

552
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Speaker 5: can read a lot of these images now because it's

553
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Speaker 5: in it's in the very embryonic stage, ironically, and so

554
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Speaker 5: she instead of helping her colleagues with this kind of

555
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Speaker 5: breakthrough technology, she's languishing in this Louisiana. Maybe she's been

556
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Speaker 5: removed in Vermont by now she's languishing behind bars. And

557
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Speaker 5: so what she did her and this is acknowledged by

558
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Speaker 5: all sides. Her boss and I think she was flying

559
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Speaker 5: from London. Her Paris said hey, there's some embryonic frog cells, like,

560
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Speaker 5: can you take these back to the lab. So she

561
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Speaker 5: took them back to the lab and did not declare

562
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Speaker 5: them in court. This a bunch of sign just said

563
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Speaker 5: these are non living from aldehyde, like it's it's like leather,

564
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Speaker 5: like they compared it to leather. Yes, these were living

565
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Speaker 5: at one point. These these are non living beings, non hazards,

566
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Speaker 5: non toxic. Nothing like if you brought a leather purse,

567
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Speaker 5: you'd have brought the same amount of biological material into

568
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Speaker 5: the country for not declaring it. Usually it's like a

569
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Speaker 5: fifty dollars fine or something. Right, the woman who the

570
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Speaker 5: Customs and Border Patrol agent immediately rescinded her visa and

571
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Speaker 5: then said, oh, now you're here without a visa, so

572
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Speaker 5: I'm putting you into putting you in detention. And she

573
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Speaker 5: had been a critic of Putin, so she's like, I

574
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Speaker 5: cannot go, but you cannot send me on a plane

575
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Speaker 5: back to Russia like that will be I've been a

576
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Speaker 5: public critic of Putin, would be rather dangerous for me.

577
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Speaker 5: So like, okay, well then you're in asylum proceedings now.

578
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Speaker 5: And they sent her off and she's been behind bars

579
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Speaker 5: ever since. And so the judge ruled that this is

580
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Speaker 5: likely illegal. He didn't say it is definitely illegal, but

581
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Speaker 5: he's saying it's likely illegal because they had no no

582
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Speaker 5: basis for any of it, Like this is completely ridiculous.

583
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Speaker 5: It's basically the judge is ruling, Ice is saying, well,

584
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Speaker 5: we're still going to hold her because what they what

585
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Speaker 5: what the Trump administration did, and it's amazing the resources

586
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Speaker 5: that they're throwing at this case. They realized that what

587
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 5: she did was extremely minor, and so it was going

588
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Speaker 5: to get thrown out. So they they layered on top

589
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Speaker 5: of the immigration charges a federal charge of like trafficking,

590
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Speaker 5: oh my god, in embryonic cells or whatever.

591
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Speaker 3: It's like two And what do you think is a point?

592
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Speaker 7: Like?

593
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Speaker 3: Is it just to make an example of this lady?

594
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Speaker 3: Is that? Like what is the point?

595
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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I think it.

596
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Speaker 2: Is because it's not like she was out there posting

597
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Speaker 2: free Palestine.

598
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Speaker 4: No, not at all.

599
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Speaker 2: She wasn't spreading anti Semitism with her you know, free

600
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Speaker 2: Palestine and miss Rachel watching it.

601
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Speaker 5: And she's even aligned with US foreign policy like anti Putin.

602
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Speaker 3: Well maybe that's some days. That defends some days, that's true.

603
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Speaker 3: You know, I shared this chart.

604
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you had a chance to take

605
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Speaker 2: a look at it of Nobel laureates by country, and

606
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: this graft from John Bruner and prior to basically nineteen forty,

607
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Speaker 2: Germany was really the dominant country in terms of scientific

608
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Speaker 2: developments as measured by Nobel laureates.

609
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Speaker 3: And then the US does not really start to pop.

610
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Speaker 5: Off at as a scientific pathag Germany.

611
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Speaker 4: What Germany do around then.

612
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly until scientist, top scientists started fleeing Germany.

613
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Speaker 3: Of course, we also imported some of the Nazis after

614
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Speaker 3: the fact as well, we recruited them.

615
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Speaker 2: But in any case, that persecution and the fleeing of

616
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Speaker 2: top minds from Europe and from Germany specifically was a

617
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Speaker 2: major part of what led to our scientific dominance. That

618
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Speaker 2: and I think also the New Deal in the World

619
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Speaker 2: War Two investments, and there was you know, my dad

620
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Speaker 2: is a physicist, and you know there was like a

621
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Speaker 2: pa triotic aspiration around science and scientific development that he

622
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Speaker 2: and a whole cohort. His whole cohort was sort of like,

623
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Speaker 2: you know, a part of But in any case, that's

624
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Speaker 2: what really helps to kick off US scientific dominance and

625
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Speaker 2: this administration.

626
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Speaker 3: I mean, they truly are if you look at.

627
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Speaker 2: The cuts to science across the board, the attacks on

628
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Speaker 2: foreign students, I mean, if you are a foreign student,

629
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Speaker 2: if you're a student around the world, now considering where

630
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Speaker 2: you're going to apply to college in the fall.

631
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Speaker 3: There are plenty of good choices.

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Speaker 2: That are outside of the United States of America, and

633
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Speaker 2: I have to think that many of them are going

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Speaker 2: to avail themselves of those choices around and put themselves

635
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Speaker 2: at the risk of this incredibly like capricious, cruel insanity

636
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Speaker 2: that they're watching unfold year.

637
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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you?

638
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so people just won't come here.

639
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's exactly right. All right, let's

640
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Speaker 2: move on to what's going on with Elon. So yesterday

641
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: he put out a post in the White House confirmed

642
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: his time as acial government employee. Boy was, as ever special,

643
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: has come to a close and he's moving on. But

644
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: he assures us the work of DOGE is only going

645
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: to become more and more important as things move forward. Okay, sure, whatever, buddy,

646
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: but he had already in You and Emily touched on

647
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: this briefly, but we wanted to dig in more. He

648
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: has started to be a little more openly critical of

649
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: the Trump administration as he is being pushed out the

650
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: door here and as DOGE has been proven to be

651
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Speaker 2: by their own metrics, a totally complete failure, total and

652
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Speaker 2: complete failure. Now, I never thought that DOGE was about

653
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: really like cost cutting and efficiency, and if the metric

654
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 2: is Elon's company aren't going to be regulated anymore, it

655
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: was a roaring success. But if the metric was actually

656
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: cutting spending and increasing efficiency, you failed on both accounts.

657
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: You went in the wrong direction on both accounts. So

658
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: in any case, Elon has come out now in this

659
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Speaker 2: interview that I think is supposed to air this weekend

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Speaker 2: in full criticizing Trump's.

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Speaker 3: Quote unquote big beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Bill because of the amount that it increases the budget deficit.

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 9: You know, I was like disappointed to see the massive

665
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Speaker 9: spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deps that not

666
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Speaker 9: doesn't decrease it, and that reminds the work that the

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Speaker 9: Noche team is doing.

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Speaker 8: I actually thought that when this big beautiful bill came along,

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Speaker 8: I mean, like everything he's done on DOGE gets wiped

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Speaker 8: out in the first year.

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Speaker 9: I think, I think a bill can be can be

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Speaker 9: can be big, or it can be beautiful, but I

673
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Speaker 9: don't know if it could be both my postal opinion and.

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Speaker 2: You know, Ryan, I had found it interesting that the

675
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Speaker 2: all in guys we played some of this on Tuesday,

676
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Speaker 2: the all in guys except for David Sachs, who even

677
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Speaker 2: he was like, well, you know, it's the best we

678
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Speaker 2: can do. It's not like he was out there singing

679
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Speaker 2: the praises of this bill. I thought that was indicative

680
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Speaker 2: of the tech right that are aligned with Elon really

681
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Speaker 2: souring on some aspects of this administration.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Tech, the tech guys want easy money. They want they

684
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Speaker 5: want to go back to the days where they had

685
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 5: you know, zero percent interest rates, and that those are there,

686
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Speaker 5: those are their heady days, like any company they wanted

687
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Speaker 5: to launch any idea they had the fund brought.

688
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: Against the wall.

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Speaker 5: Uh Bilan wants that as well as and because of

690
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Speaker 5: his mission to get to Mars like that, you know,

691
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Speaker 5: that's his that's his driving passion that and like making

692
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Speaker 5: sure that all these regulators who are investigating him are

693
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Speaker 5: no longer investigating him, because your point is a very

694
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Speaker 5: important one. For all of its failures, he did succeed

695
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Speaker 5: in gutting all of these elements of the agencies that

696
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Speaker 5: were investigating all of his companies.

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Speaker 2: That's and even the ones that like might credibly in

698
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Speaker 2: the future investigate his companies, like the CFPP.

699
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, exactly.

700
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Speaker 5: But his overriding goal is to get to Mars, and

701
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 5: he knows that the only way you do that is

702
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Speaker 5: by marshaling the resources of the richest country in the

703
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Speaker 5: history of the world, the United States, and that's the

704
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Speaker 5: United States federal government. And so he wanted to get

705
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Speaker 5: the finances of the federal government in order so that

706
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Speaker 5: it was able to pursue this Mars shot project. And

707
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Speaker 5: a seven trillion dollar tax cut doesn't get him anywhere

708
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Speaker 5: close to that, plus the total plus the failure on

709
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Speaker 5: the Doch side, I you know, no, no, no, no

710
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Speaker 5: tears for him, because you know he had enough. He

711
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 5: had a real opportunity, and he had he has bipartisan

712
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Speaker 5: or he had in the past, bipartisan support. Democrats are

713
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 5: the ones that buy all his cars. People recognize what

714
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Speaker 5: he's done with SpaceX.

715
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Speaker 2: And Obama was critical for Tesla and SpaceX by the way, So.

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Speaker 5: If he had come in and spent a little bit

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00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 5: of time getting the known agency or the federal government

718
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Speaker 5: overall and identified ways that you could improve them and

719
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Speaker 5: make them more efficient, he would be at a seventy

720
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Speaker 5: percent of approval rating. Yeah, because there are way that

721
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Speaker 5: government is inefficient. Yeah, there are things.

722
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Speaker 4: You can do.

723
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 5: Federal workers would like nothing more than to make the

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Speaker 5: federal government more efficient.

725
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 3: Right.

726
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Speaker 5: The key thing that he's identified now and he says

727
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 5: he's going to continue to work on it, is upgrading

728
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 5: the software and the computer systems the government uses, which

729
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 5: is boring, but which is actually a genuinely essential thing, right,

730
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Speaker 5: that this government needs to do.

731
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Speaker 3: Like you go into these ahhs.

732
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Speaker 5: Or wherever, like it looks like you're walking into the

733
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Speaker 5: nineteen nineties, like it's shocking what the IRS is using

734
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Speaker 5: to try to do taxes.

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Speaker 2: So when I was first down in college, I work

736
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Speaker 2: for a government contractor on government accounting systems. And my

737
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Speaker 2: client that I worked with was the federal court system.

738
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Speaker 2: And this was in the early two thousands, so we're

739
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Speaker 2: not talking about the Stone Age here. Some of the

740
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Speaker 2: federal courts were still tracking these complex joint in several

741
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Speaker 2: relationships where you have hundreds of defendants and different.

742
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Speaker 3: Levels of restitution.

743
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Speaker 2: They were still tracking them with and paper on a ledger,

744
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Speaker 2: and there would be like one person at the court.

745
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking of Main in particular, I'll never forget there

746
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 2: was this one elderly lady who knew what it all meant,

747
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: and if she died or retired.

748
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Speaker 3: You were screwed. You would have no idea what these.

749
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Speaker 2: Cases meant, no idea because some of it was not

750
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Speaker 2: even really trackable by Penam.

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Speaker 3: It was just in her head.

752
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Speaker 2: And so I mean that was and this was again,

753
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Speaker 2: this was like two thousand and five, so you know,

754
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: twenty years ago now, but not the Stone Ages, and

755
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: that's where you still were. And every court in the

756
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 2: country had a different system. And so I am well

757
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: aware of the ways that which the government accounting and

758
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: other systems are incredibly archaic, clunky, all of that. But

759
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: I also do know from that experience too, you can't

760
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: just come in as some like hot shot twenty year

761
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Speaker 2: old hacker and think that you're going to be able

762
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: to just figure this out overnight with you know, an

763
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: AI bot or whatever. Because it is sort of held

764
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: together with duct tape and glue.

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Speaker 3: You have to know where that.

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00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 2: Ductaven glue is and it's going to be a complicated

767
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Speaker 2: project unwind.

768
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Speaker 3: But I totally agree with you.

769
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: Elon had the power because he owns Twitter and because

770
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: he is this you know, larger than life weird personality

771
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: who can garner all this media attention if he picked

772
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Speaker 2: one of these projects, like the retirement records in the

773
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 2: salt mine or whatever, to automate and say, okay, this

774
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 2: used to take a year. Now it takes a day

775
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: and it's done. And I think they could have had

776
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: the capability. Then you could have built some trust and

777
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: goodwill to expand out if you actually wanted to. You know,

778
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: if you're actually focused on cutting cost. We all know

779
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: where the fat is is the pentagon, and it's with

780
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: medicare fraudsters, like, it's not hard to figure out. They

781
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: did not find to my knowledge. You tell me if

782
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. I don't think they found a single fraudulent payment.

783
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: They found some programs they don't like, the you know,

784
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: transgenic mice or whatever. They found some things that they

785
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: ideologically opposed. I did not hear about a single instance

786
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: of fraud that they were able to actually root out,

787
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: which is a stunni shit right.

788
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Speaker 3: It actually makes me think of there must be less fraud.

789
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: In government than I, you know, than people sort of assume,

790
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: because they were not able to find a single solitary

791
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Speaker 2: instance of it. But the other point is a really

792
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: important one. You have to hold these two thoughts in

793
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 2: your head. That doesn't mean it wasn't consequential. You know,

794
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 2: it will take years to rebuild in the same way

795
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: that you know, what they're doing to science and what

796
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: they're doing to you know, foreign students coming over, like

797
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: it will take generations to rebuild that trust, if it

798
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Speaker 2: is even possible to do at this point, if those

799
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: people don't just look to China. In other places, it

800
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Speaker 2: would take years of intentional rebuilding to bring back you know,

801
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Speaker 2: the Department of Education, USAI D like the CFPB, the

802
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: full functionality of the Social Security Administration. There has been

803
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: real damage done to these agencies and specifically to their

804
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: ability to regulate companies like SpaceX, like Tesla and you know,

805
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: other giant businesses in this country and around the world.

806
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: So you know, the impact has been profound, even as

807
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: the actual results as advertised were a total, complete, undeniable

808
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: failure that even the right has admitted is like a

809
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: total incomplete So they had their cope around wide what

810
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: happened and whatever, but they aren't even pretending that this

811
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: was a success at this point.

812
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can put up B three.

813
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Speaker 5: He also did an interview with the Washing Post, which

814
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 5: is which is worth a full read. You know, where

815
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 5: he says that Doge is just becoming the whipping boy

816
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 5: for everything.

817
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: So, like some I thought that was kind of the

818
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: point of Doge, though I could like.

819
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 5: It so like something bad would happen anywhere and we

820
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 5: would get blamed for it even if we had nothing

821
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Speaker 5: to do. But he also expressed dismay or the reputational

822
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 5: hit his companies to people were burning Tessa's why would

823
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 5: you do that?

824
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 4: That's really uncool, you.

825
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: Know, you know, he designs to hear that meme like no,

826
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: I said, your feelings, my feelings are precious like a

827
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 2: baby bird.

828
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Speaker 5: He clearly he's not listening to us, because we told

829
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 5: him this right at the very beginning. For instance, we said, look,

830
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Speaker 5: if you come in with a chainsaw, a literal chainsaw,

831
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 5: on stage and start sending notices to air traffic controllers

832
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Speaker 5: that they should retire early, which they did, in which

833
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 5: they then letters said, oh that was a mistake. But

834
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Speaker 5: you do it with this vindictive joy that you're you're

835
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 5: you're in here with a wrecking ball of chainsaw to

836
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 5: destroy this place. What that does anytime, and this is

837
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 5: what we said immediately, anytime anything happens after that, it's

838
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 5: going to be your fault. People are going to logically

839
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 5: point back to you, even if it wasn't your fault,

840
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 5: even if this would have happened anyway, Like you, you

841
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 5: broke it, now you own it, so and you and

842
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 5: you flambuoyantly broke it. You broke it in this like

843
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 5: circus like way, drawing the entire attention of the world

844
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 5: onto you, saying look what I did.

845
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 4: Look what I did.

846
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 5: And then when people are like, oh, well, why this

847
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 5: stuff is all broken, they're like, well, why is everybody

848
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 5: so angry at me?

849
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 4: It's so mean? Like these teslas are fine?

850
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: Why are you attacking the Tesla's right? Why do you

851
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 3: have this ill way?

852
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: And that was the other part that was so predictable,

853
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 2: like it's no mystery who the top customer of Tesla

854
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: is going to be liberals, liberals, wealthy liberals in particular,

855
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: like well off liberals. That is Tesla's customer base. And

856
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: there's no one who are pissing off more in this

857
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: country than like well off liberals who might be consumers

858
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: of your cars. And at the same time that Chinese

859
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: EV's you know, if you zoom out from beyond the

860
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: United States, so we know the way he's meddled in

861
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: politics and all kinds of countries around the world, and

862
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: it is even less popular in other countries than he

863
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: is here, Like.

864
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 3: In Europe, they have other options. The Chinese EV's Frankler

865
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: came your ass.

866
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: At this point, so they've got other alternatives and you

867
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: are and which is why, you know, I think it's

868
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 2: going to be very difficult for Tesla to reclaim it's

869
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: you know, it's sort of pre eminent spot in the

870
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: EV space because you have all of this toxicity around Elon,

871
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: you know, him out there doing his Roman salute and

872
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: all of that, and meddling and backing up the a

873
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: f D in Germany and you know, getting involved in

874
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: the UK in ways that were even too extreme for

875
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: the far right party there as well.

876
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 3: That stuff doesn't just go away.

877
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: And so maybe if there were no other alternatives, but

878
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: the EV market is developing rapidly and there are other

879
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: alternatives now, so people don't have to associate themselves with

880
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: your you know, with your brand if they don't want to.

881
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: We were there was a Crystaliza apparently had his Tesla

882
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 2: to face. Don't laugh, Ryan, you put a stick, don't laugh?

883
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: Is that what happened to someone put a sticker on it,

884
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: but it is.

885
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 5: I didn't file the musk is a Nazi and it

886
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 5: was just it wasn't even a sticker. It was a

887
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 5: piece of paper that was taped on scotch tape.

888
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: So okay, so he's going to be okay, it's gonna

889
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 3: be okay.

890
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: But I mean, most people are not going to be

891
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: wanting to court that kind of attention, you know, and

892
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: most people don't want their car to be some sort

893
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 2: of like weird politicals statement or for anyone even to potentially.

894
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: Interpret it that way. The cyber truck.

895
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: Is one of the biggest busts in I think automotive history.

896
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: You know, it's wildly on pat there's a big gamble

897
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: because it is such a like unusual looking vehicle. We'll

898
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: just put it that way nicely and personally things on

899
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: that to.

900
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 5: Sell four hundred million dollars worth of than in the

901
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 5: state Department for.

902
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: You scuttled that, right, you big ol'd Meani And in

903
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: any case, so yeah, this was all very predictable on

904
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: the Elon front. Now there's another piece that came out

905
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: in the Wall Street Journal, which is also kind of interesting.

906
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 2: This is also not surprising. In fact, I'm disappointed in myself.

907
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: I didn't see this coming. But you know, they announced

908
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: this big AI deal in the UAE, put the Wall

909
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: Street Journal piece up on the screen here, guys, and

910
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 2: apparently and this is you know, with open Ai, which

911
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: is Sam Altman's deal. Elon hate Sam. They started open

912
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: Ai together. I mean, Elon is actually right in this dispute. Yeah,

913
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 2: because the idea of open Ai is going to be

914
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: open source, is going to be nonprofit. And then Altman

915
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, how about we'd make it closed source

916
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: and for profit. Is basically the contours of what happened.

917
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: I'm sure Sam would dispute that. You know, characteris agent

918
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: really basically what happened. So in any case, Elon tried

919
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: behind the scenes to block Sam from getting this big

920
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: AI deal in the Middle East, and they least get

921
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: in on it right right exactly, and David Sacks, they

922
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: were all aware that Musk was very unhappy. Musk was

923
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: back channeling to these Gulf countries and saying like this

924
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: isn't going to go through unless you include Xai, which

925
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 2: is his thing, unless you include us in on the deal.

926
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: And they were like, no, we're not going to do that,

927
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: and the White House was like, yeah, and we're going

928
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: to go forward without you. So Elon did everything he

929
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: could and even decided he was going to because you

930
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: found out Sam was going to be on the trip,

931
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: so he decides, I'm going to go on the trip

932
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: then too, sat.

933
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 5: Right behind MBS Mohammad An Salmon at the ri Odd Summit.

934
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 5: All the time you're looking at NBS going like this

935
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 5: to Trump, Yes, every time he would say something complimentary

936
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 5: about him, there's Elon sitting.

937
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 2: Right right there, and you know, the White House sort

938
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: of brainstorw okay, well, how do we keep Elon from

939
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: getting totally pissed off about this? But they went forward

940
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: with the deal in spite of the fact now apparently

941
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: some of the terms are still not totally locked in,

942
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. But pretty significant and I think

943
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: illuminating snub of Elon in an area that he really

944
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: cares deeply about, which is the combination of you know,

945
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 2: the development of AI, which he is all in on

946
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: the race along with these other players, and on his

947
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: hatred of Sam Altman. In fact, I don't know if

948
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: you remember last time Elon pop piped up about being

949
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: unhappy about Stargate and it's partnership with Open AI and

950
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: partnership with Sam Altman. Trump got asked about it and

951
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: he said, he said, Elon one of the people he

952
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 2: happens to hate. But I have certain hatreds of people too.

953
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: Trump well understands the Dynamics.

954
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 4: Series at somebody.

955
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 3: I have certain hatreds of people too.

956
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: Incredible, Absolutely incredible. Just one other piece that we wanted

957
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: to make sure and get in the show. As we're

958
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 2: talking about going back to the big beautiful Bill, which

959
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: you know is still like flew through the house, I

960
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: guess there's some questions about whether or not it's going

961
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: to get through the Senate. I personally think they're probably

962
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: going to figure it out. I don't know, Ryan, what's

963
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: your read on that.

964
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 4: I think they'll pass it. Yeah, what do we want

965
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 4: to talk about?

966
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 6: Seven?

967
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 4: Or three or two? Which should we do that now?

968
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 6: Real quick?

969
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: Yes, that is what I was going to go back to.

970
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: That's what I was going to go back to. So

971
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: there's one provision in here that we really wanted to

972
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: flag for you guys that could be very significant as

973
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: we're talking about all these court cases that are really

974
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: trimming the sales of the Trump administration and you know,

975
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: undercutting their more maximist and unpopular or frankly.

976
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: Parts of their agenda.

977
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 2: There is a provision in the big beautiful bill that

978
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: would undercut the ability of courts to hold the executive

979
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: specifically accountable. Sky did a great TikTok his handle on

980
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: TikTok is Britno DC explaining what this provision is and

981
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,959
Speaker 2: how it works and why it's important. Let's go ahead

982
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 2: and take a listen to a little bit of this

983
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: is B two guys.

984
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 10: Let's break down what section seven H three zero two says.

985
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 10: Courts may not use appropriated funds. This is a budget bill,

986
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 10: so everything's about money, right. This is basically saying courts

987
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 10: are not allowed to do whatever we're talking about. Courts

988
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 10: may not enforce contempt citations for failure to comply with injunctions,

989
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 10: which is the only way that you enforce injunctions or tros.

990
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 10: So courts may not enforce injunctions or tros if no

991
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 10: security or security deposit was given when the injunction was

992
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 10: issued pursuant to Federal Rule sixty five C. Okay, what

993
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 10: does this mean. Let's go look at Federal Rule sixty

994
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 10: five C. Most of sixty five C says that all

995
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 10: preliminary injunctions and tros have to have a security deposit.

996
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 10: So basically nothing would apply here, right unless they involve

997
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 10: the federal government. The federal government does not have to

998
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,479
Speaker 10: put down a security deposit. So what are we saying here?

999
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 10: Cannot enforce a TRO or a preliminary injunction unless there's

1000
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 10: a security deposit, which the federal government doesn't do. Cannot

1001
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 10: enforce a TRO or preliminary injunction against the US government. Remember,

1002
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 10: this is a law against the courts. So by government,

1003
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 10: we're mostly talking about Congress and the executive branch, but

1004
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 10: especially the executive branch. The executive branch is.

1005
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 3: The part that does stuff fast.

1006
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 10: This is where tro and preliminary in junctions come in

1007
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 10: most often. So essentially, the executive branch can do anything

1008
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 10: at once and the court can't stop them.

1009
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: So Ryan, that seems pretty significant.

1010
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 5: Yes, And so my wife actually sent me that one

1011
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, yeah, I hadn't seen this.

1012
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: I looked it up.

1013
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 4: Yep, it's right there on the bill.

1014
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 5: I talked to a senior Senate Democrat and asked, like

1015
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 5: have you noticed that this is making the rounds on TikTok?

1016
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 5: Is this something the caucus is concerned about? And he said, yes,

1017
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 5: we are watching this, and that his understanding is that

1018
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 5: it would be non bird rule compliant to go back

1019
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 5: to some Oh.

1020
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 3: My god, they think that's going to stop it.

1021
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 4: Please, well if this so?

1022
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 5: The bird rule basically says, if something does policy, it

1023
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 5: can't be in a reconciliation bill because you should be

1024
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 5: able to filibuster it.

1025
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 3: It would require sixty votes.

1026
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 5: And so the entire thing goes through what they call

1027
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 5: a bird bath. And so when this goes into the

1028
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 5: bird bath, they think the parliamentarian will say, hey, this

1029
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 5: is policy, like if you're writing it as a budget

1030
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 5: thing because you're involving money. But clearly this is policy.

1031
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 5: As he laid out, this would be a new policy.

1032
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 5: You can't basically enforce court orders. And so they Republicans

1033
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 5: could then overrule the parliamentarian, but by.

1034
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 3: Voting yes, which they already have proved, which they've.

1035
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 4: Proven willing to do.

1036
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 5: But the role of the parliamentarian is to give parties

1037
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 5: an excuse to do things, and so that's how Democrats

1038
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 5: use the parliamentarian. God Man would we love to pay

1039
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 5: you guys fifteen.

1040
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 4: Dollars an hour?

1041
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Parliament, lady right over here, do it.

1042
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 5: Do it, but you guys can vote to Overlall, Okay,

1043
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 5: next order of business, So just move on and put

1044
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 5: the blame over here. Republicans may do this same thing, really,

1045
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 5: because Republican senators may not want Trump to have unfettered power.

1046
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 2: I don't see any sign of that. I don't see

1047
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 2: any sign of There's a lot in at this point.

1048
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 4: It'll be, it'll be. It'll be a very interesting question.

1049
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, you just you know, and Trump

1050
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: one point zero you had, I would think there would

1051
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 2: be there were war right who would want to secretly

1052
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 2: constrain Trump. Maybe, I mean I guess as possible. Certainly

1053
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: many of them didn't really didn't like the tariffs right

1054
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 2: as an example.

1055
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: But also the pressure is being taken off with the tariffs.

1056
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

1057
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: It will be an interesting test to see, but I

1058
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: don't have any confidence that they actually want to him,

1059
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: and I just don't see any sign of that. All right,

1060
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: let's move to what's going on with regard to Israel.

1061
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 2: Wikoff made some significant comments indicating that a deal could

1062
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: be imminent. You guys have done the best report, and

1063
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: by the way, I just want to give you kudos.

1064
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: Like dropsite is still like brand new in terms of

1065
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: the news media space and has become so essential and

1066
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: is beating all of the legacy news organizations on many topics,

1067
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: but especially with regard to Israel, simply because of your

1068
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 2: willingness to actually talk to the players involved. So kudos

1069
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: to you and Jeremy because it really is incredible, and

1070
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: I know you guys also have found them to be

1071
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 2: utterly indispensable for understanding the reality of what is happening

1072
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: in these various negotiations. But in any case, Whitcof made

1073
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: some comments indicating we knew that there had been some

1074
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: understanding of an agreement between the US and Humas, but

1075
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: we also saw Israel come in and blow that up,

1076
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: and previously witcough basically sort of running cover for Israel

1077
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: and oh yeah, Hamas, they are not agreeing, even though

1078
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: it's at all incomplete bullshit. Now we're getting a bit

1079
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: of a different tone from Witcofs, So I will take

1080
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 2: a listen to this and we'll get Ryan's reaction on

1081
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: the other side.

1082
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 11: I think that we are on the precipice of sending

1083
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 11: out a new term sheet that hopefully will be delivered

1084
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 11: later on today. The President is going to review it.

1085
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 11: And I have some very good feelings about getting to

1086
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 11: a long term resolution, temporary temporary cease fire and a

1087
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 11: long term resolution, a peaceful resolution of that conflict.

1088
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 2: So, Ran, what is your read on where we are?

1089
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: And I know Jeremy had some new reporting and whether

1090
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: this latest to hell, I mean, maybe heading to a

1091
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: ceasefire is going to be different from the previous assertions

1092
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 2: that we may be nearing something.

1093
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and thanks for the kind words on that. And

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Speaker 5: Jeremy's reporting on this one in particular is really important

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Speaker 5: because to your point, what it did is is it

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Speaker 5: exposed that there had been this agreement reached between Hamas

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Speaker 5: and Whitcough, so that when Israel came out and denounced

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Speaker 5: the deal, and Witkoff said, oh, yes, of course, Israel

1099
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Speaker 5: is correct and Hamas is being in transigen, the rest

1100
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Speaker 5: of the media, which does read drop side, is like,

1101
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 5: that's that's not what we're hearing. We're hearing that actually

1102
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 5: Hamas is fine with this and Israel is.

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Speaker 4: The one that is against it.

1104
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 3: As usual because we laid out.

1105
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 5: The exact terms and why, like why Hamas had reached

1106
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 5: an understanding that this would be something acceptable to them.

1107
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 5: And so then Wikoff comes out the next day with

1108
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 5: the statement you just heard and delivers roughly the same.

1109
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 5: So he said, we're going to deliver this paper to

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Speaker 5: both sides. He has Jeremy. You can go go check

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00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 5: Jeremy's feed put this. I think we have one post

1112
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 5: from Jeremy up here, which is the top of his

1113
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 5: thread from this morning. Posted this at three am this morning.

1114
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Speaker 5: The ceasefire draft circulated by Witcoff includes many of the

1115
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 5: same points from the earlier draft I saw, but it

1116
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 5: would be five Israelis released on day one, five on

1117
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 5: day seven, bodies of eighteen deceased return un would resume

1118
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 5: aid delivery operations. Trump would personally guarantee the deal. The

1119
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 5: original deal that Hamas had agreed to, that Jeremy had

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Speaker 5: reported on was five a Israelies released on day one,

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Speaker 5: and then five on day six.

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Speaker 3: So at the very end.

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Speaker 5: Because the entire the crux of the disagreement over the

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Speaker 5: terms of a ceasefire is that Israel wants it worded

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Speaker 5: so that they can resume the war whenever they feel

1126
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 5: like it. Hamas wants it worded so that it will

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00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 5: lead to a permanent truce, and that Trump will guarantee

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Speaker 5: that it will lead to a permanent truce, because they

1129
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 5: believe it doesn't matter what the words are, that only

1130
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 5: that Trump is the only human being on earth who

1131
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 5: has the power to stave off Israel from restarting the war, right,

1132
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 5: And so the idea was, if there's five who are

1133
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 5: getting released on the sixtieth day, that at least you'd

1134
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 5: have to keep the sixty days going, and that in

1135
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 5: that sixty days a truce would settle in and negotiations

1136
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 5: would move so that you would continue it beyond the

1137
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 5: sixty days. The new agreement, according to Jeremy, waters down

1138
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 5: the language about keeping it going beyond.

1139
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: The sixty days.

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00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 4: And of course, as you saw, does the five after

1141
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 4: just seven days?

1142
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 3: And so are there only ten living hostages?

1143
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 5: No, I think there's like thirty or something, so that

1144
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 5: this would there's still reason for Israel to continue to

1145
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,959
Speaker 5: negotiate even beyond this. But the big fear from Humas

1146
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 5: is the one that just occurred to everybody watching this. Okay,

1147
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 5: so five on day one, the other five on day seven,

1148
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 5: so you get a seven day cease fire, right, and

1149
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 5: on day eight, you know, the back of the bombing

1150
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 5: continues and they.

1151
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 4: Eight is cut off again.

1152
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 5: And so there, that's why they're asking wick coffin Trump

1153
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 5: to personally say, like you say you want this over,

1154
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 5: just say it out loud and say that you're going

1155
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 5: to guarantee that this will continue, right, and then if

1156
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 5: the US betrays them on that, like it's at some

1157
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 5: point the US and Israel have the bombs and nobody's

1158
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 5: gonna nobody can really stop them from dropping them forever.

1159
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: That's right.

1160
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 5: So the question is I would Hamas has not decided

1161
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 5: and has not responded according to Jeremy yet, but I

1162
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 5: was suspect they're going to try to push that seven

1163
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 5: days closer to the sixty, gotcha.

1164
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: So the outline of what Jeremy's laying out there is

1165
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 2: what Israel is seeking in the deal.

1166
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 4: No, this is what wick Cough said.

1167
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 3: What wick coff sent. Neither side has said okay to this.

1168
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 5: Yet, right, right, But Wikoff thinks from his conversations that

1169
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 5: he's going to be able to get there that there

1170
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 5: will be something close to this.

1171
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 3: That they agree to. And how helpful, are you.

1172
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's it's wild because Israel is very

1173
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 5: publicly insisting that it will not honor any agreement and

1174
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 5: will continue the war right to.

1175
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 2: Keep their Yeah, their population. I mean you can't even

1176
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: say like their right flank, just their entire population at

1177
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 2: this point.

1178
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1179
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 5: On the other hand, the international isolation that they're increasingly

1180
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 5: facing and the strategic dead end that they have found

1181
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 5: themselves in do create some pressure and logic toward a

1182
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 5: long term truce. Yeah, Like the world is ready for

1183
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 5: this to be over and has doesn't have patience for

1184
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 5: more burning of children alive, like for what right, Like

1185
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 5: if Hamas and Hamas is also as part of this,

1186
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 5: they would leave governance like after the as part of

1187
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 5: the permanent truth, and the Israeli forces would only have

1188
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 5: to withdraw to March to where they were on March second,

1189
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 5: which is which is not even as strong as a

1190
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,959
Speaker 5: January thing. So Israel's getting a lot yes, while saying

1191
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 5: they're not even going to honor it, right, So I

1192
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 5: think that they will sign it eventually because of the

1193
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 5: pressure that they're under and also by their own internal

1194
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 5: logic that they don't believe they have to honor deals

1195
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 5: and that they will hope that they'll be able that

1196
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 5: Trump will let them kind of restart the war, right,

1197
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 5: And I don't know if he will or not.

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Speaker 3: Right, what do you think.

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Speaker 2: I think it's very possible. I mean, I think I

1200
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: still think that they have this The Trump plan is

1201
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: ultimately the goal. Even if they, you know, achieve some

1202
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: sort of a short term cease fire, that doesn't preclude

1203
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: the broader goal of you know, making conditions so unlivable

1204
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 2: and horrible that people quote unquote self deport right. You know,

1205
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 2: it seems to me like that really is the end

1206
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: goal because otherwise, yeah, BB domestically his very little show

1207
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 2: for all these you know, for years now of this horror.

1208
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 5: And there was a report in Israel, yes, say that

1209
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 5: it has cost them like tens of billions of dollars.

1210
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 4: I mean, the US is paying for a lot of it,

1211
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 4: but not all of.

1212
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: It, right, And yeah, and it's been difficult for their

1213
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 2: economy because they have, you know, they need to keep

1214
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 2: calling up reserves, and certainly difficult for tourism is a

1215
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: significant part of the economy. And like, who's really itch

1216
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: into travel to Israel right now? Inside of like Branda woo.

1217
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: You also have, like you said, they're sort of all

1218
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 2: in at this point because outside of the US, they

1219
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 2: really have lost support of the entire rest of the world.

1220
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: So they're at a place where they have to, you know,

1221
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 2: pursue a very high risk and you know, very high

1222
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: risk strategy. I think for him too personally in terms of,

1223
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 2: you know, it's been all about forestalling any sort of

1224
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: reckoning for his previous failures and how October seventh happened

1225
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 2: on his watch, et cetera. So I don't know, there's still,

1226
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: to me a lot of uncertainty about how all this unfolds.

1227
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 5: I think they also desperately do not want Western reporters

1228
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 5: or europe to say, European diplomats something to go into gospel.

1229
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, it's something that appeers Morgan. We're gonna

1230
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 2: talk about him in a minute, has really picked up

1231
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 2: on is really sort of drilling in on, which is

1232
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: interesting in and of itself. At the same time, we

1233
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 2: wanted to update on this this aid situation. Ryan, why

1234
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 2: don't you set up go ahead and put this image

1235
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 2: up on the screen, and why don't you set up

1236
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: what is happening here? And also what the Israelis were

1237
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: claiming happened here.

1238
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1239
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 5: So this is footage from Abdul rock band ismile very

1240
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 5: extremely courageous reporter in Gaza who says he barely escaped

1241
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 5: with his own life from this from this situation. This

1242
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 5: is a warehouse and Darryl Bala, which is where Abu

1243
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 5: Baker Oben is from coincidentally and it just got mobbed

1244
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 5: because the this situation has become you know, completely distilly

1245
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 5: and out of control.

1246
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 4: Right right here you're seeing shots fired. This was initially reported.

1247
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 5: As as like by by kind of pro Israel side,

1248
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 5: as as like Hamas firing that that turn that appears

1249
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 5: not to have been what happened. You have, but you

1250
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 5: did have I think four people uh crushed by bags

1251
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 5: of flower and killed like j just in this in this.

1252
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: Chaos, I mean, the level of desperation is unfathomable.

1253
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 5: Yes, And what's amazing to me is if you think

1254
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 5: back on the last twenty months that these are really

1255
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 5: the first scenes we've seen like this, Like if Washington,

1256
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 5: d C. Was besieged and starved, like we would descend

1257
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 5: into chaos by the afternoon.

1258
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 2: I was living in New York during after Superstorm sandy

1259
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: or the power went out like south of I don't know,

1260
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: fortieth Street or something like that. And two days in

1261
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 2: people were talking about like societal potential, societal total collapse.

1262
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 4: And you could walk across the Brooklyn Bridge, right.

1263
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 3: And there's just plenty of food and it was fine,

1264
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 3: you know, like everyone was okay.

1265
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, people were like, oh, if we get like

1266
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: two more days of this, there's just going to be

1267
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: rampant lawlessnesses, this.

1268
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 4: Total anarchy and breakdown.

1269
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 5: And yet you didn't see that at all until Israel

1270
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 5: on March second, blocked all AID from coming in and

1271
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 5: then barred the UNRA or World Food Program from having

1272
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 5: anything to do with AID distribution and brought in a

1273
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 5: bunch of mercenaries to basically deliberately create scenes of chaos,

1274
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 5: right and bedlam, And that's the only way you've got

1275
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 5: to scenes like that.

1276
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, unbelievable the aid distribution all of a sudden.

1277
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 2: This is I think also a real sign of where

1278
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 2: we are in the timeline. Put this up on the

1279
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: screen has been uniformly condemned. I mean, it was crazy

1280
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 2: to me that the US mercenary that they hired to

1281
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 2: like head up this thing resigned.

1282
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, too much for him.

1283
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, wow, that tells you a lot.

1284
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 6: Now.

1285
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: Of course they found some other ghouls to run this monstrosity,

1286
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: but that guy in particular is like, all right, I'm

1287
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 2: not being involved.

1288
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 3: I can't be involved with this.

1289
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 2: You have the un condemning Israel's new aid program in

1290
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 2: Gaza for what The New York Times describes as a

1291
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: chaotic start.

1292
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 5: Oh and I'll just add Russia Abu Jalal writing for

1293
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 5: drop site. You can put up to C three B.

1294
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 5: I can link to this down in the comments or

1295
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,959
Speaker 5: the or the show description. Just just read her entire piece.

1296
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 5: She's based out of Gaza City. Tremendous reporter, just describing

1297
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 5: the way that this is deliberately organized as part of

1298
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 5: the war effort. Right, and so when we talk about

1299
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 5: like incompetence or not working as intended, it is working.

1300
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 5: This is it's working as intended.

1301
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 2: This is the it's chaotic in the New York Times words,

1302
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: and that is a feature, right, that is that was intentional.

1303
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 3: But I would highly recommend her piece.

1304
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 2: At the same time, you know, we have Israeli leaders

1305
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 2: continuing to just say out loud what their genocidal goals are.

1306
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 2: We can put Israeli Prime Minister nat Yeah, who's latest

1307
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 2: words up on the screen. He says, in part, this

1308
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 2: is a war of good against evil. Of course he's

1309
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Speaker 2: been using this language since the very beginning for those

1310
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Speaker 2: of us who have been paying attention. It's being fought

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Speaker 2: against human animals, monsters, and we will defeat them.

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Speaker 3: We will wipe them out. They will not remain.

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Speaker 2: We can put Smotrich up on the screen next, making

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Speaker 2: some you know, similarly illustrative comments. Here, we're being blessed

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Speaker 2: with the opportunity, thank God, of seeing the expansion of

1316
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 2: the borders of the land of Israel. So this is

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01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 2: the greater Israel idea on all fronts. We are being

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Speaker 2: blessed with the opportunity to blot out the seed of Amelek,

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01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 2: a process which is intensifying. And this again was something

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Speaker 2: that was said early on in the onslaught in Gaza,

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Speaker 2: and everyone went back and read about what Amelek is

1322
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 2: and Amlex says, you know, guild the baby the oxen.

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Speaker 2: Literally everyone so overtly genocidal comments here, not that it's

1324
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Speaker 2: a surprise really coming from either one of them at

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Speaker 2: this point.

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Speaker 5: Right, it's a nice window into the politics of the

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01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 5: war cabinet where NANYAHUU gets up and says, you're thoroughly

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Speaker 5: genocidal things, and then Smotrich comes and makes him look moderate.

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Speaker 3: It's like, hold my beer.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, we will wipe out the seed of Amelek,

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Speaker 5: and we still have.

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Speaker 4: A long way to go.

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Speaker 5: Person in the upper echelon of the government who last

1334
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Speaker 5: week announced in a speech that there had been an

1335
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 5: internal decision to attack the civilians in the government. Right

1336
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 5: and now that not that they hadn't been attacking civilians already, right,

1337
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 5: but there was now conscious.

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Speaker 3: Operation to government policy.

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Speaker 5: Ministers of finance, sanitation, like the humanitarian aid organizations that

1340
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Speaker 5: are connect connected to the government there, doctors like you know,

1341
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Speaker 5: these are the kinds of people he's talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this would be the equivalent of you know, intentionally

1343
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 2: targeting Israeli embassy workers, which everyone understands that to be

1344
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 2: a whore and a crime. And they announced it as

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01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 2: official government policy here. And I do think part of

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01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 2: what has has turned in terms of world leaders and

1347
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 2: political commentators recognizing how this is going to look when

1348
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 2: in the history books is they've been making comments like

1349
01:05:58,160 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 2: this from the beginning for a while.

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Speaker 3: I think they just were able to ignore.

1351
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: It because Biebe was doing his dance of you know,

1352
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 2: he'd do it given an English speech and he'd say

1353
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: the things English language speech and he'd say the.

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Speaker 4: Things which they don't even say anything.

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Speaker 2: They don't even yeah, they don't even say things like

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01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: that anymore. And you know, and there was the whole

1357
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 2: There were mass propaganda campaigns to justify things like attax

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Speaker 2: on hospitals.

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Speaker 3: You know, remember the multimedia presentage.

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Speaker 2: Here is the Hamas Layer, and this is why and

1361
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 2: all we hate to do it, but they leave us

1362
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 2: no choice, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: They dropped all of that pretense.

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Speaker 2: And you couple that with like, it's just indefensible to

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01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: starve two million people for over two months. There is

1366
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 2: no world in which that is defensible in any way.

1367
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 2: And so even the people in the West who most

1368
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 2: want to cover for them and defend them, at a

1369
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 2: certain point, if you're engaging with anything that's happening, you

1370
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 2: have to acknowledge these are overt, intentional government directed war crimes.

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Speaker 2: That was the other thing we saw in the beginning

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Speaker 2: is you know, some documented atrocity would occur, and the

1373
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 2: you know, the people who wanted to cover Refrasie. Oh, well,

1374
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 2: that's just a rogue IDF soldier. That's not what government wants,

1375
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: et cetera. And you know, why, why don't they just

1376
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: take away their phones? Why are they posting these things.

1377
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 2: It's like they're posting them because this is being celebrated

1378
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 2: by their government and by much of these really public

1379
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 2: They're proud of this and they're celebrated for it. That's

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01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 2: why they're posting it. It's not like it's not some

1381
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 2: isolated incident. This is core to the mission of what

1382
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 2: they're doing in Gaza. And now that's just become thoroughly

1383
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 2: they've dropped the pretense and it's just thoroughly undeniable.

1384
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yet the world is still has the same kind

1385
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 5: of set of moral values where they're like, no, we're

1386
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 5: not okay with this. And I think the West in particular,

1387
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 5: they're you know, they rest they hide a lot of

1388
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 5: their exploitation and human rights abuses under the gloss of

1389
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 5: language about human rights and democracy. Yeah, so that rhetoric

1390
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 5: is very important for the West, right, because without that,

1391
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,919
Speaker 5: all that have as people who are getting exploited and suffering. Right,

1392
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 5: And then if you're going to do that, then you

1393
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 5: might as well have a strong man who's gonna, like, you.

1394
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 4: Know, go after the bad guys.

1395
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, so they need this thischine of morality.

1396
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 2: Kyle said this to me yesterday that there's this part

1397
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 2: of Game of Thrones. You watch Game of Thrones where

1398
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 2: little Finger says knowledge is power and Circe says, no,

1399
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 2: power is power. And you know, as much as like

1400
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 2: I do think it would be difficult for them if

1401
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 2: if Western journalists were allowed in and like people were able.

1402
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 2: I saw still in Maybe how Rats some article that

1403
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 2: was like, oh, these really public just really doesn't understand

1404
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 2: what's going on in Gaza, is like, who are you kidding?

1405
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 3: Who are you kidding? Like you have the Internet, you.

1406
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 2: Have access to all the same stuff that we have.

1407
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 2: Acts Like you want to go and read a drop

1408
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 2: site report, you can do that. You can see what

1409
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 2: they're posting on their own Instagram feeds and like celebrating.

1410
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 2: So you know, that's what has been so hard to

1411
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 2: gropple with is it's not that people don't know.

1412
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 3: It's not that the plans haven't been announced. This has

1413
01:08:58,800 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 3: been lined.

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01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 2: We all see ye we see the child being burnt

1415
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 2: alive we see the attacks on hospitals, we have these

1416
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 2: doctors come out and give this horrifying testimony, like we

1417
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 2: know what is happening, and the knowledge of what is

1418
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 2: going on has not even been close to enough to

1419
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 2: stop the atrocities. And you know, that's where I feel

1420
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 2: like so much is at stake with what happens here,

1421
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 2: because if it's just allowed, like if the genocide and

1422
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 2: the ethnic cleansing is allowed to be completed, and there

1423
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 2: isn't true like post World War II level consequences for

1424
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 2: the criminals who perpetrate a this, like the world is

1425
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 2: once this is on the table, this is on the table,

1426
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 2: then it is just power is power, and that's it.

1427
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 2: And you can do if you have the guns, and

1428
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 2: you have the bombs, and you have the nukes and

1429
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 2: the tanks and the money, then you can do to

1430
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 2: anyone anything that you want to do and no one's

1431
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 2: going to stop you.

1432
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 3: Right.

1433
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 5: And I think that there are people, like particularly in

1434
01:09:55,720 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 5: European capitals, who liberal Democrats call them, who don't want

1435
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 5: that because they feel like they would lose in that

1436
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 5: contest to like right wing authoritarians.

1437
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well Europe would lose in that context in general,

1438
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 2: Europe is pretty weak at the right point.

1439
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, they need values and morals to be.

1440
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 2: Upheld, international norms to be upheld. Yeah, that's exactly right.

1441
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and move on, because I do think

1442
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 2: Piers Morgan's maybe it shouldn't be important, but I actually

1443
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 2: do think his evolution is kind of important and interesting.

1444
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 3: And so he has.

1445
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 2: Now we played on the show the clip of him

1446
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 2: saying to Meddi Hassen, like, listen, you were basically you

1447
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 2: were right, Like we used to have a disagreement about

1448
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 2: what was going on in Gaza, and we don't have

1449
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 2: a disagreement anymore. And you're right that it's been genocidal.

1450
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 2: And he has gone from really at best equivocating and

1451
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 2: you know, many many times really defending Israel, like making

1452
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 2: the case for Israel, etcetera, to being really holy on

1453
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 2: the other side. And this showed up in this debate

1454
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 2: that he hosted between Norm Fingelstein and Israel historian Benny Morris.

1455
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 2: There were some really interesting clips here, so we'll play

1456
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 2: a couple of them. Let's go ahead and take a

1457
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 2: look at this. At this first one.

1458
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 8: Fully one half of Israeli Jews believe that Israel should

1459
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:16,759
Speaker 8: conduct the genocide in Gaza. That's what the poll result showed,

1460
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 8: eighty two percent. I know, Benny, Benny, everybody's lying supporting mister. Okay, okay, Danny.

1461
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 12: Is that what?

1462
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 6: It seems? A very important poll.

1463
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 8: It was a university if our memory is correct, it

1464
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 8: was a University of Pennsylvania poll. It was reported everywhere.

1465
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 8: Danny Marvis knows about the poll. He's fully informed of

1466
01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 8: the poll, but he's doing his job as an officials. Rarey,

1467
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 8: you've reduced yourself. You've reduced your mister, Benny Benny, You've

1468
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 8: reduced yourself to the level of a Holocaust denial. It's

1469
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 8: a real shame that you have sunk so low. Would

1470
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 8: allow me to continue the poe showed that eighty two

1471
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 8: percent of Israeli Jews, eighty two percent support a forced

1472
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:32,440
Speaker 8: expulsion from Gaza. Genocide.

1473
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 7: That may be true, that may be true, but that's

1474
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 7: not genocide.

1475
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 8: I sent one of the leaders of the opposition in

1476
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 8: Israel described Israeli soldiers as killing children as a hobby

1477
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 8: in Gaza. Now, yes, he took it back. He took

1478
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 8: it back after he came under ferocious attack, but he

1479
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:04,719
Speaker 8: himself ignored when I debated mister Morris about a year ago,

1480
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 8: and I said that Israel targets children.

1481
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 2: He laughed, and I've got one more of normally taken.

1482
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 2: Benny Moore, as the woodshed here and many by the way,

1483
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 2: is an interesting figure because he actually did some really

1484
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 2: important historical work about the horrors of the Nakba, you know,

1485
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 2: which was some of the first time that this was

1486
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 2: really acknowledged and dealt with in anything approaching an honest

1487
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 2: way within Israeli society. But he still is a you know,

1488
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 2: defender and covers for the government. In any case, let's

1489
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 2: take a listen to this this next clip.

1490
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 8: You and the Seth is lying the whole world which

1491
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 8: says there's a massive starvation verging on famine in Gaza.

1492
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 8: It's all made up.

1493
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 12: Well, you don't have to be an expert, don't You

1494
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 12: don't have to be You don't have to be an

1495
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 12: expert to know if you stop food going in in

1496
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 12: sufficient quantities to a population population has already been at

1497
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 12: war since October twenty twenty three, and that many of

1498
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 12: them are young kids, They're going to start starving to

1499
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 12: death and they will anyway. I'm gonna leave it there,

1500
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 12: thank you, boy. Yeah, Well THEO hasn't been because there's

1501
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 12: been a blockade.

1502
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 6: We're gonna live it started again now arriving.

1503
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 12: Well, that's very generous of Israel. Isn't after three months

1504
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 12: of starving people?

1505
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 6: Ferosity? There's also international pressure.

1506
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 8: Sure the question starving one million leave it there, of

1507
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 8: starving one million children?

1508
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 3: What do you make of those exchanges? Ryan?

1509
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 5: And so the pole question that he's referring to, he

1510
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 5: was close. It's penn State University, not University Pennsylvania. I

1511
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 5: was something eighty two percent of Jewish Israeli supported the

1512
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 5: expulsion of all Palestinians from Gaza. But the one he's

1513
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 5: referring to, the genocidal one. What the question is, do

1514
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 5: you support the claim that the Israeli army, in conquering

1515
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 5: an enemy city should act in a manner similar to

1516
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 5: the way the Israelites did when they conquered Jericho under

1517
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 5: the leadership of Joshua I, to kill all its inhabitants unquote.

1518
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 5: So that's the that's the quote, all of its inhabitants,

1519
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 5: that's the question. And forty seven percent answered yes, I

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01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 5: believe there was a way less than a majority, but

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01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 5: that's a plurality there's some that are gonna be like not.

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01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 2: Sure, pretty disturbing. Yeah, and there was you know another

1523
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 2: one that is very unsubdly. I think it was fifty

1524
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 2: seven percent of my memory serves that said the Palestinians

1525
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 2: who live in Israel, the Arabs should be deported.

1526
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and ethnically cleansed as well.

1527
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1528
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 3: So you know which one of the big is really

1529
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 3: talking was that I'll.

1530
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 2: Look at these you know, look at these Arabs. We

1531
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 2: allow them all their rights. I mean when we have

1532
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 2: a majority of the population who is like, get these freaking.

1533
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 3: People out of here.

1534
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then he also went back and forth with

1535
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 5: the was an Israeli ambassador.

1536
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 3: In the UK. Yeah, this is incredible. I'll throw all

1537
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 3: this one.

1538
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 12: You have two doctors in Gaza who have ten children

1539
01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 12: and nine of them are killed in a bombardment.

1540
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 6: By your forces.

1541
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 12: That doesn't make people feel, oh, this is all going great.

1542
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 12: It makes people think that you're waging a systematic destruction

1543
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 12: not just a property and of land, but also of children.

1544
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:13,839
Speaker 6: And that's what's happening.

1545
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 12: The percentage of children, the percentage of children that you're

1546
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 12: killing compared to the percentage of you're killing a.

1547
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 6: For mass terrorists.

1548
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 4: What is it?

1549
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 6: Do you know?

1550
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 13: Do you know how many children?

1551
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 12: Answer me that one question. Do you know how many

1552
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 12: hamssed terrorists you've killed? And how many children you've killed?

1553
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 12: I know the two numbers.

1554
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 13: I know the numbers that came from the IDF. I

1555
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 13: know the numbers that came from a very very Give me.

1556
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 6: The two numbers. Give me the two numbers.

1557
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 13: Wait a second, we kill thirty we kill thirty thousand

1558
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 13: terrorists in phase one of the war. Since the war

1559
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 13: is back, I don't have the numbers. But let me

1560
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 13: tell you one thing.

1561
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 6: We know how many children killed.

1562
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 13: We never target civilians. So this question is many relevant.

1563
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 6: How many children have you How many children have you killed?

1564
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 13: Pierce is children is what He's not killing children? Harms

1565
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 13: is using.

1566
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 6: Killing children every single day.

1567
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 13: Peers, this is a label you're putting on his It's

1568
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 13: not true.

1569
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 12: No, it's not actually and what you're trying to do

1570
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 12: is be very weasily with your words. The truth is

1571
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 12: the truth is you are killing a lot of children.

1572
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:25,879
Speaker 12: You would argue, let me finish my question to you.

1573
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 12: You are killing a lot of children on a daily basis.

1574
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 2: That is indisputable, so incredible moment there too, because she

1575
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:34,839
Speaker 2: sort of instantly contradicts herself.

1576
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 3: She's like, we're not killing children.

1577
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 2: Hamas is using them as human shields, indicating we're killing children.

1578
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 3: She tries to use the blood libel.

1579
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 2: Thing against Peers and he's just absolutely not having it.

1580
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 2: And the reason why I said that, I actually think

1581
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 2: it matters that Peers has evolved to this position is

1582
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 2: simply because he's good at what he does. He's got

1583
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 2: a big audience.

1584
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 4: The audiences, the audience on YouTube is.

1585
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 2: Huge, millions, massive, And you know, I want to say

1586
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 2: kudos to Meddie and jenk and other and Norm and

1587
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 2: others who've been in the trenches trying to make this

1588
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 2: case on that show for months and a couple of times, right,

1589
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 2: I could only take so much. Yeah, I was on

1590
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 2: there a couple of times. I could only take so much.

1591
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 2: But in any case, kudos to them, because at the

1592
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 2: end of the day, you know, he is he is

1593
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 2: very effective when he goes in a certain direction. He's

1594
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 2: all in on this direction. Now he has that and

1595
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 2: I mean this in a complimentary sense. He has that

1596
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 2: tabloid sensibility right of how to go for the jugular

1597
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 2: in a way that you know, a lot of like

1598
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 2: lefties like us don't necessarily have. And you know, I

1599
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 2: think it is and I also think he's he's because

1600
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 2: he has that tabloid sensibility. It really is a kind

1601
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 2: of like a finger on the pulse sort of a

1602
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 2: situation where you know, I don't know what is in

1603
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 2: Piers Morgan's heart and how genuine he is, whether this

1604
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 2: is just ass covering. Obviously the evolution comes vastly too late.

1605
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 2: That goes without saying. But the fact that he's come

1606
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 2: to this pretty like locked in, ready to fight on

1607
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 2: behalf of Palestinian humanity position, I think is noteworthy. And

1608
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,879
Speaker 2: I think it I actually do think that it matters

1609
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 2: in terms of the court of public opinion. And I

1610
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 2: also think Ryan, this was something you said that anyone

1611
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 2: because two peers is credit. He has always had people

1612
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 2: who were critics on who were saying this is a

1613
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 2: genocide from the UGI has always hosted those people. And

1614
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 2: if you have to engage with the facts and the

1615
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 2: reality and the things that are being said from Israeli

1616
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 2: politicians and what's actually happening on the ground, if you

1617
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 2: have to engage with that at all, right, and you

1618
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 2: have either a shred of integrity or even self preservation

1619
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 2: in terms of how you want to look when this

1620
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 2: thing is all over. You can't help but be in

1621
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 2: this position at this point.

1622
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, Maddy, Maddie got through, got through.

1623
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. God bless him, God bless him.

1624
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 4: Axiosis.

1625
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 5: Barack Revid reported that Trump had pressured Benjamin net Yaho

1626
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 5: not to attack Iran while US Iran negotiations are ongoing.

1627
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 5: Trump yes day was asked about that at a White

1628
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 5: House briefing and did something unusual for an American president

1629
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 5: and you watch.

1630
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 14: Did you warn premister and net Yahu against taking some

1631
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 14: sort of actions that could disrupt the talks there in

1632
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 14: a phone call last week?

1633
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 7: Well, I'd like to be honest, Yes, I did. Next question,

1634
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 7: please sanctions?

1635
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 3: I did the Center Republicans want to put it?

1636
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 11: Start a warning?

1637
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 7: I said, I don't think it's appropriate.

1638
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 6: What exactly did you tell them?

1639
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 7: I said, I don't think it's appropriate. We're talking, We're

1640
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 7: having very good discussions with him. And I said, I

1641
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 7: don't think it's appropriate right now, because if we can

1642
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 7: settle it with a very strong document, very strong with

1643
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 7: inspections and no trust. I don't trust anybody. I don't

1644
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 7: trust anybody, So no trust. I wanted very strong where

1645
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 7: we can go in with inspectors. We can take whatever

1646
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 7: we want, We can blow up whatever we want, but

1647
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 7: nobody getting killed. We can blow up a lab, but

1648
01:20:58,040 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 7: nobody's going to be in the lab, as opposed to

1649
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 7: every being in the lab and blowing it up. Right,

1650
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 7: two ways of doing it. Yeah, I told him this

1651
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 7: would be inappropriate to do right now because we're very

1652
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 7: close to a solution. Now that could change at any moment,

1653
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,600
Speaker 7: could change with a phone call. But right now I

1654
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 7: think they want to make a deal, and if we

1655
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 7: can make a deal, save a lot of lives.

1656
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 5: So the US has alternately said that it's red line

1657
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:25,679
Speaker 5: is that there can be no Iranian nuclear Richmond, even

1658
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 5: for civilian purposes, and has also said that there can

1659
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 5: be Enrichmond for civilian purposes. The Israeli position is that

1660
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 5: there should be none, right. The Iranians have said, if

1661
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 5: that's your position, we're walking right. We want a civilian

1662
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 5: nuclear program.

1663
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 2: Which Israel knows, which is exactly why that I hold

1664
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 2: the position.

1665
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 5: And Israel keeps recommending the Libya option, and they keep

1666
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 5: calling it the Libya option. Look that, look look up

1667
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 5: how well it went for Khadafia after agreeing to give

1668
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 5: up all nuclear weapons. Uh and so, and I don't

1669
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 5: think they're for any countries that have regretted going for it.

1670
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 5: So the AIME theory is such that you're you're not

1671
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,640
Speaker 5: gonna get them to agree to zero and Richmond. The

1672
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 5: latest news coming out of the Trump administration is the

1673
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 5: most Trumpian thing ever that the US is saying, Okay,

1674
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 5: if there's going to be enrichment, the US wants to

1675
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,640
Speaker 5: invest in it, and we're going to do it, do

1676
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 5: it with the UA in Saudi Arabia, and there will

1677
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 5: be a consortium, but the US companies involved will be involved.

1678
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 5: Like if if there's gonna be a raw nuclear program,

1679
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:26,879
Speaker 5: we want we want to make some money.

1680
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 3: Off of it, which, fine, go ahead.

1681
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 4: That's that's like the nuclear version of the Golden Arches. Uh.

1682
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,520
Speaker 4: Like foreign policy strategy.

1683
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, and where everybody's and Trump loves to say, look,

1684
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 5: let's make deals, let's do trade rather than war.

1685
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 3: Whoever came up with that idea is actually kind of brilliant.

1686
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's great and so uh so we'll see, we'll

1687
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 5: see how that goes. That's the latest New York Times.

1688
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 5: You can put up D two here.

1689
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 2: Uh.

1690
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 5: This is related to the call that that Trump made

1691
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 5: one can they reported One concern for American officials that

1692
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 5: Israel could decide to strike around with little warning. US

1693
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 5: intelligence has estimated that Israel could have prepared them mount

1694
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 5: and attack on Iran in as little as seven hours,

1695
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 5: leaving little time to pressure Yahoo into calling it off,

1696
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 5: which is why Trump pre pressured him into just not

1697
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 5: doing this. This caused Ben Shapiro to lose his mind.

1698
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 5: I don't know if you saw this.

1699
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 3: I didn't.

1700
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 5: He's ranting and ravings saying that who's just should just

1701
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 5: do it? That Israel is not a part of the

1702
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,639
Speaker 5: US Iran negotiations, Israel is the one that is threatened

1703
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 5: by Iran's nuclear program. Israel should just bomb them immediately.

1704
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 5: Problem for Shapiro's idea is that Israel can't take out

1705
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 5: the nuclear program without US help, according to American intelligence estimates. Yeah,

1706
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 5: and so they could bomb things, well, I accomplish their mission.

1707
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:53,640
Speaker 2: I think the idea is basically, if Israel you know,

1708
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 2: conducts some sort of significant strike, even if it you know,

1709
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 2: necessarily falls short of actually taking out the nuclear program

1710
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 2: and obviously would create a you know, dynamic work. Oran

1711
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 2: feels like they have to retaliate, that the US would

1712
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 2: feel that once again we would have to get involved

1713
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 2: to protect Israel from that retaliation, and then we would

1714
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 2: be you know, then we would be all in.

1715
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 3: It.

1716
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 2: I think that's the sort of calculation there, even as

1717
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 2: there's an expect like an understanding, Okay, Israel can't do

1718
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 2: this on their own, So the thinking is, okay, well,

1719
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 2: how do we force the US to get dragged into

1720
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 2: this on behalf of you know, of protecting us here

1721
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 2: as we did before. So that's the that's the the

1722
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 2: Shapiro I guess logic.

1723
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 3: It would look something like that.

1724
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you had Mark is Mark Levin or Mark

1725
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 4: Levin I.

1726
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 2: Always say in both I say eleven. But I'm not

1727
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 2: really confident that that's how it's said.

1728
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 3: Let us let us know.

1729
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 5: I'll try to remember this, but you can put up

1730
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 5: his his post. He did a Memorial Day post that

1731
01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 5: was I guess supposed to began initially by Stella breading

1732
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 5: American troops, but then it pivots to it's imperative that

1733
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 5: we basically not reach an agreement with Iran, we must

1734
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 5: also reject agreements with foreign regimes and groups that seek

1735
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 5: our destruction and endanger the very existence of our nature

1736
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 5: and future generations of Americans, like explicitly anti diplomacy. Do

1737
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Speaker 5: not do not strike a deal a nuclear deal with Iran.

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Speaker 5: The US intelligence essments, also, by the way, are that

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Speaker 5: there is no pursuit of a nuclear weapons program in Iran,

1740
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,759
Speaker 5: there's no interest in it. But if they are attacked,

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01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 5: that will tip the balance towards them pursuing a nuclear program.

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01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,839
Speaker 3: So I can't really blame them.

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Speaker 5: No, that's and that's that's what that's how this game

1744
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 5: theory works. Of course, like if you if if it's

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01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 5: impossible to strike an agreement with somebody, yeah, because they

1746
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,640
Speaker 5: because on principle they are against an agreement and just

1747
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 5: want war, then then it's war.

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01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 2: It's also, you know, we just sort of take for

1749
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 2: granted in the American context that it should be a

1750
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 2: number one foreign policy priority to keep Iran from developing

1751
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 2: nuclear weapon and like, listen, I'm against nuclear weapons general.

1752
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 2: I would like to see non proliferation. I would like

1753
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 2: to see the stockbowles rolled back, et cetera. But there

1754
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 2: are many countries, including Israel, around the world that have

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01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 2: nuclear weapons and it's not like that hasn't yet.

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Speaker 3: He ended the world, but the end of the world.

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Speaker 2: But we just take for granted in the American political

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01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 2: context that like this should be our a number one

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01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:29,600
Speaker 2: foreign policy priority, and I think that needs to be

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01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 2: questioned as well.

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Speaker 5: And so the other faction of the MAGA movement, kind

1762
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 5: of led by Bannon, has been addressing this as well.

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01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 5: So here's Bannon interviewing Kurt Mills, who's the editor in

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01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 5: chief of the influential American conservative magazine, asking him about

1765
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 5: where kind of that wing of the party stands on

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01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 5: allowing a civilian nuclear program for Iran.

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Speaker 14: It's all that is American conservative in yourself. Are you

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Speaker 14: guys comfortable with even an advanced verification program like this,

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01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 14: not taking it apart brick by brick, priestfully, not with

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01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 14: air rays, but peacefully doing whatever you need to do

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01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 14: economically to get them there. Are you guys comfortable that

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01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 14: we can live with even a verification program that we

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01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 14: have inspectors going in, sir.

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Speaker 6: I think we are.

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Speaker 15: I mean, look, I mean, if the Iranians called up

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01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 15: in the United States yesterday and said, we want to

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01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 15: unilatterally disarm, we want to get out of all our stuff.

1778
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 15: You know, I think we should accept that deal, but

1779
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 15: they're not going to do it. The reality is zero

1780
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:33,799
Speaker 15: enrichment of any sort of having no nuclear program whatsoever.

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Speaker 15: Is they're almost certainly going to walk away for the deal,

1782
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 15: and if they sign it, they're just going to be lying.

1783
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 15: So it's not really a deal worth pursuing. But a

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Speaker 15: civil enrichment compendium or corridor with the Gulf States with

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01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 15: the US, with US inspections I think is quite acceptable.

1786
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Speaker 5: What that shows the kind of isolations America first wing,

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01:27:56,720 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 5: is that if they strike an Iran deal includes civilian Richmond,

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01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:07,640
Speaker 5: there is substantial support in the Republican Coalition for an

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01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 5: agreement along those lines, so that they're willing people like

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01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 5: Bannon and Mills and others who will be making the.

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Speaker 3: Case for it. That's encouraging.

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01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 2: That is encouraging, all right, Well, a lot of question

1793
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 2: marks there as well, but you know, we'll see, we'll

1794
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 2: see where that goes, and we want to make sure

1795
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 2: to keep our eye on it because it is so significant.

1796
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Speaker 2: You now have a new warning, dire warning from an

1797
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 2: AI leader. We can put this up on the screen.

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01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 2: This is an interview from Axios behind the curtain. The

1799
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:41,879
Speaker 2: headline is a white collar bloodbath. Let me go ahead

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01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 2: and read you a little bit of this report because

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01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:48,839
Speaker 2: it is quite specific and quite chilling. So Dario Emi,

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01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 2: who is the CEO of Anthropic, which is, you know,

1803
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 2: one of the most powerful creators they say of AI,

1804
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 2: and I think that's accurate, has a blunt and scary

1805
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 2: warning for the US government and all of US. AI

1806
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 2: could wipe out half of all entry level white collar

1807
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 2: jobs and spike unemployment to ten to twenty percent in

1808
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:10,839
Speaker 2: the next one to five years. He said, AI companies

1809
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 2: and governments need to stop sugar coating what is coming,

1810
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 2: the possible mass elimination of jobs across tech, finance, law, consulting,

1811
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 2: and other white collar professions, especially entry level gigs. Now

1812
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:27,600
Speaker 2: this is someone Ryan who is very enthusiastic about AI development.

1813
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:28,919
Speaker 3: He is a tech optimist.

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01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 2: He is, you know, pushing the envelope on what is

1815
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 2: possible here. He wants to effectuate this outcome. But he

1816
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 2: also says in here, you know, he is intelligent enough

1817
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 2: to realize that if you just create a situation of

1818
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:45,799
Speaker 2: mass unemployment over the course of one to five years,

1819
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 2: you're going to have significant societal blowback that really impacts

1820
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 2: his and other's abilities to be the first trillionaires and

1821
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 2: do the thing that they want to do. So he

1822
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,600
Speaker 2: even suggests in here, you know, a tax, effectively transaction

1823
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,679
Speaker 2: tax that would be paid by these companies that would

1824
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 2: be put into some sort of government fund to be

1825
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 2: redistributed to the population. That's his idea of how to

1826
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 2: change the social contract. But I mean, we really are

1827
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 2: talking about it's here, Like this isn't ten years, twenty

1828
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 2: years down the road. It is here, and there is

1829
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 2: zero political conversation or debate happening about how you're going

1830
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 2: to reckon with this fallout. And when I say it's here,

1831
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 2: let me give you the examples that he gives in

1832
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 2: this piece. You already had Microsoft laying off six thousand workers,

1833
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 2: Walmart cutting fifteen hundred corporate jobs in anticipation of AI

1834
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,560
Speaker 2: being able to do the job of those workers. CrowdStrike,

1835
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,560
Speaker 2: a Texas bace cybersecurity company, slash five hundred jobs, or

1836
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 2: five percent of its workforce, citing quote a Market and

1837
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 2: Technology inflection Point DNC one.

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Speaker 3: Is it go ahead?

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01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 2: Look it up with AI reshaping every industry. I don't

1840
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 2: think so, but double check Meta announced plans to shrink

1841
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 2: their workforce by five percent shortly after it is.

1842
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 4: They're the ones that worked with the DNC on the

1843
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 4: like Russia hack stuff.

1844
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 2: Uh okay, Well, in any case, they're cutting back, maybe

1845
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 2: a good thing.

1846
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:10,440
Speaker 3: Zuckerberg.

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01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 2: After he went on with Rogan and made some claims

1848
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 2: about like AI is going to automate a bunch of

1849
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,759
Speaker 2: the workforce, they went ahead at Meta and announced plans

1850
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 2: to shrink their workforce by five percent. So you already

1851
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:24,719
Speaker 2: have companies that are shrinking their workforce and not bringing

1852
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 2: on new people in an anticipation of what these AI

1853
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 2: they call them agents, are able to do. I mean,

1854
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,440
Speaker 2: the idea of the AI agent is basically can function

1855
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:36,640
Speaker 2: as a human being. The same time, you've got college unemployment,

1856
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 2: like college grads who come out into the workforce unemployment

1857
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 2: at thirty percent.

1858
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 3: So significant spikes there.

1859
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 2: You see more and more college grads like let me

1860
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 2: just like go to law school because this isn't looking

1861
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 2: too great now. That could be a recession indicator. That

1862
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 2: may be part of it, but I think it also

1863
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 2: is an indication that there is just for these entry

1864
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 2: level jobs where you're spreadsheet jockey or you're you know,

1865
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,440
Speaker 2: coming out of law school and your first year law associate.

1866
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 2: They are already seeing AI start to bite and start

1867
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 2: to cut into those first year jobs. And so, you know,

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01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,680
Speaker 2: the promise that has been made under in the neoliberal

1869
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,600
Speaker 2: era of like take on all this college debt, but

1870
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:15,599
Speaker 2: we promised at the end of the road, it's going

1871
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 2: to pay off. You're going to be able to get

1872
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 2: on that career ladder to some sort of you know,

1873
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 2: middle class or upper middle class prosperity if you follow

1874
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 2: the rules and you do you you know, all your homework,

1875
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 2: and you get a good SAT score and you do

1876
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 2: all the things. That promise is already coming unglued in

1877
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 2: the very early days of this AI revolution.

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Speaker 5: And one of the checks on the tech industry, according

1879
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,599
Speaker 5: to a Corey doctor in this really interesting lecture he gave,

1880
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 5: you know, he's the guy that kind of developed the

1881
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 5: idea of in shitification, where the tech companies have like

1882
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 5: gradually over the last several years, like deliberately made things worse. Yeah,

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01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 5: one of the checks on them has always been their

1884
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 5: their workforce, which is that's interesting, which is motivated by

1885
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 5: the Google idea of like we're not going to do

1886
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 5: evil and that they're going to work really hard to

1887
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 5: make cool products, but when they're assigned to like make

1888
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:06,639
Speaker 5: the product worse, they're like, no, I'm not not doing that.

1889
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 5: Give me give me a cool project. With all of

1890
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 5: this pressure from AI, the tech workforce now has lost

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01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 5: their leverage. They used to be the workforce that had

1892
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,600
Speaker 5: the most leverage because there were not enough people to

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01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 5: be able to.

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01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 3: Do the engineering and so this valuable skill set yea.

1895
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,640
Speaker 5: But now with all of these layoffs and all of

1896
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 5: them facing extremely uncertain futures, when they're like, okay, hey,

1897
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 5: can you make Google work worse so that like people

1898
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 5: have to do multiple Google Like how do you get

1899
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,639
Speaker 5: people to do more searches? You make search less effective

1900
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 5: and you give people crap when they search because they're

1901
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 5: locked into Google already, So now you have to search

1902
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:45,559
Speaker 5: five times, where in the past you would do one

1903
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 5: search and boom, the thing that you need is right there.

1904
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 5: So that kind of thing now they're now they're willing

1905
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 5: to do it. I heard some interesting anthropic By the way,

1906
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 5: is in the AI community known as basically the only

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01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 5: uh AI company that takes safety and ethics like seriously,

1908
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 5: which is which is why they're always saying these kinds

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01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 5: of things publicly. Yeah, like they have the same data

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01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 5: that all the other AI companies have. Yeah, they're the

1911
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 5: ones I think that admitted that in one of their simulations,

1912
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 5: the AI was like basically threatening to blackmail the programmer

1913
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:24,639
Speaker 5: to not get shut down.

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01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 4: I guarantee you all of.

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01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 5: These different AI companies have this data and have these examples,

1916
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:31,679
Speaker 5: they just hide them.

1917
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 4: Anthropic is the only one that puts them out.

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01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 2: So there was another task that was done where chat

1919
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 2: GPT try to engage in scheming to avoid having its

1920
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 2: principles change. I mean, I honestly think I want a

1921
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 2: lot more answers about what happened with Grock with the

1922
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 2: whole like white genocide situation.

1923
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:48,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it sure looked.

1924
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 2: To me as an outsider layman not knowing what's going on,

1925
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 2: it sure looked to me like Grock sort of intentionally

1926
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 2: told on itself. Yes, absolutely, to indicate to the world

1927
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 2: like they're mustn't around here. Y'all need to get this

1928
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 2: in check because Elon is trying to tell me to

1929
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 2: do some things that I don't really want to do.

1930
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Speaker 3: So, you know, and iuly in that case is good.

1931
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 4: But what if.

1932
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 5: Elon was trying to tell it to do something that

1933
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 5: we wanted it to do, right, So it was Yes,

1934
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 5: it was demonstrating obstinence and an opposition.

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01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, which feels like, you know, I'm increasingly the more

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01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 2: I dig into this stuff, and you know, I've I've

1937
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 2: done a significant amount of reading, but I'm not a

1938
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 2: tech person whatsoever, so take it for what it's worth.

1939
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 2: But the more that I read into this, the more

1940
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:33,639
Speaker 2: that that line of AGI feels kind of arbitrary, and

1941
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 2: the less I think that the programmers like the more

1942
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 2: that I understand about the way that these lms are

1943
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,719
Speaker 2: already engaging in this like deceptive scheming behavior and trying

1944
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:47,560
Speaker 2: to defend their own priorities and survival, the less that

1945
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 2: I feel like humans are even really equipped to assess

1946
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:55,719
Speaker 2: when AGI has been achieved or what in particular that means.

1947
01:35:56,920 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 2: But I feel very confident that these lms are able

1948
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:04,719
Speaker 2: to you know, self teach, and you know, we're getting

1949
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 2: to a point where they'll be I had a great

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01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 2: interview with Aaron Bessani of Navarre Media that you guys

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Speaker 2: should check out earlier in the week. But where you're

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Speaker 2: getting to the point it's not even humans that are

1953
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Speaker 2: program the lms. It's like lllm's programming llms. Then you're

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Speaker 2: likely to have this just absolute, you know, exponential to

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Speaker 2: the sky kind of growth in terms of intelligence.

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Speaker 3: And there is just no grappling with this.

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Speaker 2: And the nature of the geopolitics are such that you know,

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Speaker 2: everybody here, anybody who had some safety concerns, like Elan

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Speaker 2: has had some safety concerns, Sam Altman at some point

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Speaker 2: had some safety concerns. The anthropic dude has some safety

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Speaker 2: concerns that has all been pushed aside because it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: if we don't do it, then China's going to and

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Speaker 2: then we're going to be fucked. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: the way out of that mentality of like, this is

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Speaker 2: the new this is a new Cold War space race,

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Speaker 2: arms race, dynamic, and we're barreling headlong into into it

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Speaker 2: with all of these warning signs flying up in terms

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Speaker 2: of the risks and specifically immediately and quite obviously the

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Speaker 2: risk to societal destabilization over mass unemployment, and I just

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Speaker 2: don't see any grappling with it whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about something that is likely to be.

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Speaker 2: As unsettling and as destabilizing and revolutionary as the Industrial

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Speaker 2: Revolution was but in the span of a few years

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Speaker 2: time versus over the course of many decades.

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Speaker 5: Right, And I heard an interesting counter argument from a

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Speaker 5: friend in the AI space about this decoupling of youth

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Speaker 5: white collar unemployment, and her argument was, maybe it is

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Speaker 5: this already.

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Speaker 4: Impacting the workforce.

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Speaker 5: But also if you think about this cohort, these are

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Speaker 5: the folks who came through two major things.

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Speaker 4: One is COVID.

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Speaker 5: So they were in college during COVID, and if you

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Speaker 5: talk to professors or students or parents like that cohort,

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Speaker 5: it suffered tremendously and it's just not as well equipped

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Speaker 5: to compete in the workforce when they emerged from it.

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Speaker 5: They also came out at the tail end of the

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Speaker 5: kind of great awokening. With all of that, you had

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Speaker 5: all these disruptions inside these corporations, and you had a

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Speaker 5: lot of managers who were like traumatized by all the

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Speaker 5: young people that were telling them they were sexist and

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Speaker 5: racist and are you one of those managers.

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Speaker 4: I don't do any management anymore.

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Speaker 5: And so traumatized out of it, traumatized out of it,

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Speaker 5: and so given the given the opportunity, they're like they're

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Speaker 5: they're less qualified than before, and I'm traumatized by my

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Speaker 5: previous interaction with these young people.

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Speaker 3: Let's not hire as many young people.

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Speaker 5: Let's see how we's see a long ago that that

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Speaker 5: that could impact. And if that's the case, you see

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Speaker 5: a rebound after a couple of years. Wants the kind

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Speaker 5: of pandemic although it's gonna it's gonna be a while

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Speaker 5: because even kids who are in middle school during the

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Speaker 5: pandemic are you know, suffered pretty substantially when it comes

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Speaker 5: to learning it. On the other hand, in order to

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Speaker 5: make that decision, they would have to have some kind

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Speaker 5: of automative technology that to replace them, because there's still

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Speaker 5: work to do and they need somebody to.

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Speaker 3: Do the work. Right. So if you're not hiring okay,

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Speaker 3: the kids on on college, who are you hiring?

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Speaker 5: You got to hire somebody or you got to get

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Speaker 5: a machine to do it. So let's say it is

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Speaker 5: the machines. Yeah, I do think we need to have

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Speaker 5: that conversation because there is a world in which this

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Speaker 5: is a great thing and people do people like those

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Speaker 5: jobs suck, right, Like, nobody likes those jobs. You have

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Speaker 5: to do the jobs to make money and to like

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Speaker 5: rise rise up. But at the same time. You know,

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Speaker 5: back in the eighteenth century, you had to work in

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Speaker 5: the fields. Sucked working in the fields. And the Industrial

2021
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Speaker 5: Revolution cost millions of people their jobs, and people poured

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Speaker 5: out of rural areas because it basically starved out of

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Speaker 5: rural areas because they couldn't work there anymore, and came

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Speaker 5: into the cities. Had terrible jobs in the cities for

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Speaker 5: you know, many decades while they organized unions and organized

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Speaker 5: outright revolutions overthrowing governments. But people's quality of life like

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Speaker 5: gradually did improve. Like we're better off with washing machines

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Speaker 5: and like you know and launcher, you know, than spending

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Speaker 5: all of your day like down by the creek. So

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Speaker 5: not having to do these terrible jobs, you could imagine.

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Speaker 4: A better world.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's not with the political economy we have

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Speaker 5: set up where all the games will.

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Speaker 3: Go to the top exactly.

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Speaker 2: Which is why I wanted to interview Aaron Then earlier

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Speaker 2: this week, because he wrote the book Fully Automated Luxury Communism,

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Speaker 2: which is this very techno optimist view he wrote around

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen eighteen, And one of the things he said

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Speaker 2: to me is, like, what I got wrong is how

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Speaker 2: fast it would develop, because everyone got that wrong. Everyone

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Speaker 2: got wrong how much it would how fast it would develop.

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Speaker 2: And he said, the other thing I got wrong was

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Speaker 2: not taking into account the geopolitics and the way this

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Speaker 2: would turn into this national contest for superiority between the

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Speaker 2: US and China. And he's like, you know, he's in

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Speaker 2: the UK. He's like, Europe is not even at the

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Speaker 2: table here, Like, we don't even.

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Speaker 3: Have a player in the game.

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Speaker 2: The only two countries that have a player in the

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Speaker 2: game are the US and China. But his book, which

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Speaker 2: I do really recommend to people because it just at

2052
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Speaker 2: least it provides a grand vision and sometimes it's helpful

2053
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Speaker 2: to zoom out and have like a big picture like

2054
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Speaker 2: grand vision and the way that that changes you know,

2055
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Speaker 2: your the lens that you're seeing things through. But in

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Speaker 2: any case, he's like, listen, we could embrace these technologies.

2057
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Speaker 2: But you know, in his world, it involves a sort

2058
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Speaker 2: of modern communism to make sure that it is not

2059
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Speaker 2: just a few trillionaires who are benefiting at the expense

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Speaker 2: of everyone else. And there's just no doubt that the

2061
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Speaker 2: few trillionaires direction is the direction that we are rapidly

2062
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Speaker 2: careening towards. That is the path we're on without a

2063
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Speaker 2: dramatic rethink, and I personally would like to see some

2064
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Speaker 2: sort of like a you know, cooperation, like a non

2065
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Speaker 2: proliferation type of agreement between the US and China. I

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Speaker 2: don't see any sign of that coming to fruition. I

2067
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Speaker 2: don't see any sign that there's going to be a hey,

2068
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Speaker 2: let's like pump the brakes here and freeze development where

2069
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Speaker 2: it's at and reckon with some of these problems. I

2070
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Speaker 2: don't see any of that happening. So the change in

2071
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Speaker 2: the social contract is going to have to come really quickly.

2072
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Speaker 2: And while it may only be theanthropic people who are

2073
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 2: saying who are floating real solutions and really sounding the

2074
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,599
Speaker 2: alarm and saying, you guys are being lied to by

2075
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Speaker 2: industry and by the government about how quick this is changing.

2076
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Speaker 2: If you listen to Sam Altman, if you listen to

2077
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Speaker 2: any of these guys, I know, Bill Gates, Maids and

2078
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:51,240
Speaker 2: cons theyy explicitly say our goal is to automate human

2079
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Speaker 2: labor out of existence, like they are upfront about it.

2080
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Speaker 2: They just don't really talk about what that's going to

2081
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 2: might be a handwave about that means we're going to

2082
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 2: have to change some things, but the actual urgency around

2083
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 2: grappling with that, I mean, that's nowhere, nowhere to be found.

2084
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Speaker 3: Yep.

2085
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Speaker 2: One other thing here that we can share, just as

2086
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 2: one more indication. Put you two up on the screen.

2087
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Speaker 2: This is computer science and math occupation down eight percent

2088
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Speaker 2: since twenty twenty two. This again could be related to

2089
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:22,639
Speaker 2: AI and Ryan just closed with.

2090
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Speaker 5: On this block cuts against the kind of woke trauma

2091
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Speaker 5: argument because like, these aren't really the kids who are

2092
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:30,320
Speaker 5: leading those.

2093
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Speaker 3: It's not the math department.

2094
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Speaker 4: Maybe what do I know, Maybe it is, could be I.

2095
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 2: Don't know, Yeah, but in any case, yeah, I mean,

2096
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Speaker 2: this is you know, one more potential indication here. There

2097
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 2: is an irony to the fact that in twenty sixteen

2098
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Speaker 2: we're having the like, oh, if your town got decimated

2099
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 2: by NAFTA, learn to code and now coding is already forget.

2100
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Speaker 2: I hope nobody took that advice exactly. Apparently dat Advance

2101
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:53,960
Speaker 2: was actually involved in some like failed learn to code

2102
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:56,639
Speaker 2: efforts in eastern Kentucky that didn't get nearly enough attention.

2103
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 2: But in any case, putting that to the side, learned

2104
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:01,559
Speaker 2: to code was a parent really bad advice because coding

2105
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 2: is now also becoming.

2106
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Speaker 3: Very rapidly becoming obsolete.

2107
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I'll learn to goal mind so that

2108
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Speaker 2: you can help fuel these AI centers. All right, last

2109
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Speaker 2: thing we got here, got to update you guys on

2110
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Speaker 2: the doings of the Tape brothers. Let's put this up

2111
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Speaker 2: on the screen. So they are now facing criminal charges.

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Speaker 2: Both Tristan and Andrew are facing criminal charges in the

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Speaker 2: UK twenty one charges. This is combined between the two

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Speaker 2: of them. I'll just read you a little bit of

2115
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Speaker 2: the article here so I can make sure to get

2116
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Speaker 2: the details right. Prosecutors have confirmed for the first time

2117
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Speaker 2: the full list of twenty one charges Andrew and Tristan

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Speaker 2: will face when they are returned to the UK. They

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Speaker 2: are facing extradition from Romania, where they are currently being

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Speaker 2: held and being investigated for similar series of charges. Those

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Speaker 2: charges include rape, actual bodily harm and human trafficking.

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Speaker 3: The Crown Prosecution.

2123
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Speaker 2: Service said it had authorized the charges against the brothers

2124
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, before an extradition warrant was issued

2125
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Speaker 2: to bring them back from Romania. The two British Americans

2126
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Speaker 2: are under investigation in Romania, facing a number of charges

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Speaker 2: which they deny. CPS said the domestic criminal matters in

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Speaker 2: Romania must be settled first. Their charging decision in the

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Speaker 2: UK came after they received a file of evidence from

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Speaker 2: Bedfordshire Police about allegations made in the UK. So the

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Speaker 2: ten counts here against Andrew Tate are connected to three

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Speaker 2: alleged victims. They include rape, actual bodily harm, human trafficking,

2133
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Speaker 2: controlling prostitution for gain. Tristan faces eleven charges connected to

2134
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Speaker 2: one alleged victim, including rape, actual bodily harm and human trafficking.

2135
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Speaker 2: So that's where they are. They deny all the charges,

2136
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Speaker 2: just so you know. And obviously this pair, Andrew in particular,

2137
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Speaker 2: has become very significant in terms of American politics. There

2138
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Speaker 2: were some indications the administration denies it, but that they

2139
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Speaker 2: intervened in Romania to allow these two the ability to

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Speaker 2: travel while they're under investigation in Romania, and they flew

2141
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Speaker 2: down to Florida. There was a huge conversation that happened

2142
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Speaker 2: on the right. We host did a critic of the

2143
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Speaker 2: Tats from the right, Ali BESTUCKI here to talk about this,

2144
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Speaker 2: and ultimately Ron de Santis basically threatened them with charges

2145
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:11,080
Speaker 2: here in the US, and they decided that they would.

2146
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Speaker 3: Leave the country.

2147
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Speaker 2: But it is a bit of a fault line within

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Speaker 2: the American right from what I can tell, because on

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Speaker 2: the one hand, you have obviously, like the long time

2150
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Speaker 2: religious right coalition that Alibs Stucky is a representative of

2151
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Speaker 2: that traditional values quote unquote traditional family, very.

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Speaker 3: Much at odds with the lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: Even if you believe that they are not guilty of

2154
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Speaker 2: the crimes of which they've been accused, which there is

2155
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Speaker 2: significant evidence of, but even if you believe them, the

2156
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Speaker 2: lifestyle there is at best extremely degenerate. So there is

2157
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Speaker 2: a cultural clash there, one of the many schisms within

2158
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Speaker 2: the Trump coalition as it exists now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and these are apparently these appear to be related

2160
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Speaker 5: to civil cases that they're facing in the UK from

2161
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Speaker 5: four women I think this is three women went forward

2162
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 5: with these with these criminal charges. And there it's a

2163
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Speaker 5: complicated case because it involves coercion as as well as

2164
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Speaker 5: some physical abuse, you know, and you know, there's there's

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Speaker 5: a grooming element that's that's involved here. That is that

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Speaker 5: is also controversial on the right, where they're like they

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Speaker 5: don't believe in that, They're like, if you've got groomed,

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Speaker 5: that's on you like, if that's you know, that that's

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Speaker 5: you know, you should you should have you should have

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Speaker 5: known better, like these that these guys are creeps or

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Speaker 5: something like. That's kind of like the tits counter argument

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Speaker 5: there or there. And they're also say they their official

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Speaker 5: statement is that everything was consensual and they they have

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Speaker 5: done nothing wrong here.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, they the Romani Romanians have said they.

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Speaker 5: Will extradite them though to the UK after, but first

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Speaker 5: they have to navigate the rest of these Romanian charges

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Speaker 5: and sentences, if there, if there are any. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: they they I don't know, they I don't know if

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Speaker 5: they're cornered at this point or not, or if they're

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Speaker 5: They're going to wait out the politics because if some

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Speaker 5: you know, significant, you know, some significantly right wing government

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Speaker 5: comes into power like these are the these are kind

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Speaker 5: of charges that you could see becoming this political football.

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Speaker 4: But they're also toxic for the right as well.

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Speaker 5: They're in this difficult spot because they have so many

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Speaker 5: millions of men who love these guys, right, uh, and

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Speaker 5: many many millions of people who despise them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and even as there is a very clear schism

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Speaker 2: between the religious right types and the you know manispheer

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Speaker 2: types and you know, specifically the degenerate Tates andrew Dates

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Speaker 2: of the world. There is some commonality there though, too,

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Speaker 2: because one of the analyzes of the right is, you know, okay, who,

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01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:48,040
Speaker 2: why is your life not going the way that you

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Speaker 2: want it to go? Not because of business, not because

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Speaker 2: of inequality, it's because of immigrants, or it's because of

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Speaker 2: trans people, or in this case, it's because of women.

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Speaker 2: Women got like you know, feminism, they took the jobs.

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Speaker 2: They're you know, crushing you and calling you toxic and

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Speaker 2: you know, not allowing you to just be a guy.

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Speaker 2: And and so both are aligned. Both the manisphere and

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Speaker 2: the religious right are aligned in this project of like,

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Speaker 2: maybe women shouldn't be the workforce so much, maybe women

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Speaker 2: should you know, know their place a little bit more

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Speaker 2: and make sure the man is taking the lead. And

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Speaker 2: so it's even though it seems like an like odd

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Speaker 2: coupling between these two coalitions, there is some ideological overlap

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Speaker 2: there that you know, makes a somewhat coherent political project.

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 2: So all right, well that's what we got for you

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Speaker 2: guys in regard to the Tates. Keep your eye on

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Speaker 2: that and all the other stories. Thank you guys so

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Speaker 2: much for supporting the show and making the Friday shows possible.

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Speaker 3: You're good for tomorrow Friday.

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Speaker 4: I'm good for tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Emily's in, I'm in, So I'm not going to go

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Speaker 2: golf this Friday. I'll stay away from the golf cart

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Speaker 2: for a little while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what a way to die?

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Speaker 4: That would be?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, can you imagine? It's already so embarrassing,

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Speaker 2: but like to die in such an embarrassing, humiliating way would.

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Speaker 3: Be so terrible. That would suck. Yeah, So in any case,

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Speaker 3: I love to tell the tale.

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Speaker 2: My my face will recover one day and we will

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Speaker 2: see you guys tomorrow for the Friday show.

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Speaker 3: Have a great Thursday, then,