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Speaker 1: I'm Lisaakazawa.

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Speaker 2: Join me on season two of Stars and Stars with Lisa,

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Speaker 2: where I sit down with some of the most exciting

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Speaker 2: stars of our time to find out what their birth

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Speaker 2: chart reveals about their life's purpose, their relationships, and their challenges.

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Speaker 2: Winner of the Signal Award for Most Inspirational Podcast, Stars

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Speaker 2: and Stars will help you make sense of today's complicated times.

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Speaker 2: Even if you're an astrology skeptic. You can listen to

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Speaker 2: Stars and Stars with Lisa wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget to follow the show so you never miss

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Speaker 2: an episode.

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Speaker 3: Hoi Ramos, pa Ramos, what's up?

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Speaker 4: We're together?

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Speaker 5: We never thought it was going to be something like this, No,

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Speaker 5: but it's so true.

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Speaker 6: Earlier this month, I got to sit down with two

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Speaker 6: of my favorite people, Ramos and his daughter, Paula. Ramos Portier,

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Speaker 6: of course, is a renowned journalist and author, and he

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Speaker 6: was the prime time evening anchor at Univision for four

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Speaker 6: decades before leaving the network last year. Baola, his daughter,

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Speaker 6: is also an award winning journalist and author. She's a

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Speaker 6: contributor for MSNBC and Telemundo, and now they have joined

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Speaker 6: forces in a new English language podcast called The Moment.

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Speaker 6: In it, Portie remains the inquisitive and tough interviewer that

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Speaker 6: Latino audiences grew to know and trust from his Univision days.

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Speaker 6: Here's Porte with the Democratic New York City mayoral candidate

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Speaker 6: Zoran Mandani in the first interview of The Moment, took

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Speaker 6: place in mid September.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that Miguel Dias canel in a dictator.

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Speaker 3: I haven't thought much about Miguel Dias.

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Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: I think mostly about these five boroughs and how we

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Speaker 3: can actually deliver affordability for New Yorkers.

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Speaker 5: What do you think Nicola Maduro is a dictator in Venezuela.

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Speaker 4: I think he has done many a horrible thing.

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Speaker 5: But again, do you do you think it's important that

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Speaker 5: you say that they are dictators and that people understand

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Speaker 5: here in New York that you are not aligned with them.

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Speaker 6: And Paula brings her sharp analysis to every conversation like

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Speaker 6: this one she and Jorge had with Anthony Romero, the

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Speaker 6: executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union.

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Speaker 7: I think we spent so much time talking about rightly

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Speaker 7: so Venezuela and migrants, but I'm even thinking about the

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Speaker 7: larger picture right.

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Speaker 1: Between ICE and CBP.

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Speaker 7: They've deported over two hundred and fifty thousand people already

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Speaker 7: just in the first seven months of this administration. Many

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Speaker 1: And so I'm thinking about them.

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Speaker 7: Right and I'm thinking about what justice looks like for them,

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Speaker 7: but more than anything, what accountability looks like for ICE,

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Speaker 7: Like who's to be held accountable for those people.

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Speaker 6: It's the first time that Paula and Jorge, father and

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Speaker 4: Many many years ago.

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Speaker 5: We wanted to do it, but back then we thought

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Speaker 5: we wanted to do a TV show or a documentary.

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Speaker 5: And then time has passed and we and we're moving.

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Speaker 5: We're transitioning from legacy media towards something completely different.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, you know.

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Speaker 1: What what Maria Jossa oh is new.

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Speaker 7: This was the way, that's the magic of Maria knew

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Speaker 7: years ago that we would all somehow end up here.

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Speaker 3: From media.

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Speaker 6: I'm Maria Josa today a conversation with journalists and father

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Speaker 6: daughter duo Jorge and Paula Planos. We talk about what

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Speaker 6: it's like working together in a new medium for the

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Speaker 6: first time, Why neutrality is failing journalists in the second

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Speaker 6: Trump administration, and the importance of making up for lost

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Speaker 6: family time and warning to listeners. This episode includes audio

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Speaker 6: of people in distress. So you know, you and I

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Speaker 6: have never actually talked about this, but it must be

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Speaker 6: that we have mental telepathy, because when you retired from

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Speaker 6: never retire, and I have always been saying this. It's that, like,

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Speaker 6: what do you mean retire from being a journal Is that?

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Speaker 6: How do you retire from doing the work that we do?

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Speaker 6: So I just want to know, like, what how did

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you just can't retire.

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Speaker 5: And I knew that after I left the TV network

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Speaker 6: About Were you like absolutely that? What was your immediate line?

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think I think even even before this year,

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Speaker 7: I think we've always played with the idea of doing

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Speaker 7: is is getting that audience that grew up watching my dad, right, Like,

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Speaker 7: is there a way to converge all those people at

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Speaker 7: And I think it's an open question, mark, right, can

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Speaker 6: You said that working with your dad in this situation

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Speaker 6: was a way to take back time. Now that really

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Speaker 6: struck me because, as you know, you're the daughter of

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering, is that what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's it's part of that, right.

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Speaker 7: I think for anyone who has parents that are journalists,

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Speaker 7: And I have learned later in life myself as a

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Speaker 7: to talk about, you know, the things that we couldn't

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Speaker 7: like it's a privilege, it's amazing.

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Speaker 5: When I was younger, I was I always read at

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Speaker 5: that's exactly what we're trying trying to do the other day.

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Speaker 5: Or show me a note that made me made me

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Speaker 5: cry when when when she was traveling by herself from

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Speaker 5: that made me incredibly proud. And now is what I find.

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Speaker 5: So it's very cheesy, and we could see to the westo.

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Speaker 5: But but what I find really interesting is that now

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Speaker 5: I can say, well, I'm the father of Paula Ramos

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Speaker 4: So the roles have changed.

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Speaker 7: Hm.

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Speaker 6: I can't believe that you actually just said that your

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Speaker 4: For thirty eight years, I couldn't do that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I was I was never paid to cry

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Speaker 4: That was not that was not my role.

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Speaker 5: And now that I have a podcast, that I have

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Speaker 5: a show in Spanish on digital media. I can do

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Speaker 5: whatever I want, but politically it's necessary enough to be

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Speaker 5: completely open, because I think we have to denounce what's

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Speaker 5: happening with immigrants right now, how they're being separated from

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Speaker 5: it would have been almost impossible to do before.

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Speaker 6: So I'm wondering about how you feel about doing journalism

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Speaker 6: at this precise moment. Or you just said there's there's

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Speaker 6: nothing to hold back. You feel a kind of urgency

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Speaker 6: to say what you have to say, and I kind

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Speaker 6: of feel like, you know what this administration has created

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Speaker 6: such havoc, that all the rules have been broken, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Sometimes if we are neutral, I think we might

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Speaker 5: don't question those who are in power, I don't think

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Speaker 5: you're doing your job as a journalist, and I think

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Speaker 5: that's the big difference nowadays.

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Speaker 4: Just to report both sides is not enough.

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Speaker 5: What we are seeing every single day with the race,

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Speaker 5: you get your hand, No, not family being separated. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I'm completely approached by the by the children. The kind

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Speaker 5: and the imgrant community is huge. So I think neutrality

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Speaker 3: Power.

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Speaker 6: What's it like to hear your dad say as a

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it speaks to the time we're in.

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Speaker 7: But I think particularly with my dad, and I remember

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Speaker 7: vividly recognizing where this country was headed, the moment when

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Speaker 7: conference with Donald Trump. Excuse me, sit down, you weren't

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Speaker 1: I saw the fear that you had.

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Speaker 7: No, it wasn't the fear in your because of your life, dad,

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Speaker 7: but it was kind of the fear of recognizing that

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Speaker 7: because of someone called Donald Trump that was kicking you out.

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Speaker 7: And so I think I think the time that we're

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Speaker 7: because now we're suddenly fighting for a democracy and.

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Speaker 1: No one asked us to be here, No, but we

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Speaker 1: have to do this. And because now we're.

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Speaker 7: Suddenly fighting about the First Amendment and we're fighting about

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Speaker 7: very it's very, very dangerous to be silence and neutral.

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Speaker 6: Coming up on Latino USA. What is today's most important story?

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Speaker 6: For Jorge Ramos and his daughter Baula.

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Speaker 7: This is the decline of the American dream, right, this

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Speaker 7: is the turning point.

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Speaker 3: Stay with us. Hey, we're back.

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Speaker 6: I'm speaking with Jorge and Baula Ramos for the break.

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Speaker 4: So when Paula was.

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Speaker 5: You saw something when that ship happened, nobody believed that,

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Speaker 6: Yes, Hey, we're back with my conversation with Jorge and

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Speaker 6: If you had to say, what is the biggest story

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the most important thing is the threat to democracy.

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Speaker 4: I truly believe it that we still have many freedoms.

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Speaker 5: It's so interesting that you mentioned that, because that's one

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Speaker 5: Well, Paula is much libre you No, I think she's

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Speaker 4: Juan and I think she has the free that I

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