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Speaker 1: hope to see you there. I was missing something, so
Speaker 1: I started microdocing and it actually works and it helps
Speaker 1: and for anxiety and depression. It's helped me a lot,
Speaker 1: and that's why I started doing it.
Speaker 2: Psychedelics.
Speaker 3: It's given us a chance to actually connect with ourselves.
Speaker 3: Once we do that, we connect with nature, we connect
Speaker 3: with everybody else and eventually the universe.
Speaker 1: I want this medicine to bring the best out in me,
Speaker 1: to make me a better version of myself, to heal
Speaker 1: my mind body in socas like I want to have
Speaker 1: a good experience, I'm intending that I want to be
Speaker 1: the best self. Happy Monday, guys, how is everyone doing today?
Speaker 1: I hope you guys are doing fabulous espana. I'm really
Speaker 1: looking forward to today's episode because we're going to be
Speaker 1: talking about something I've hinted at over the last few months, microdosing.
Speaker 1: I told you guys how it's changed my life, but
Speaker 1: I haven't really said too much more about it, and
Speaker 1: that's because I wanted to wait until we had a
Speaker 1: perfect guess. So now that we have that person, let's
Speaker 1: dive right into it. This is Cheeky's and Chill. Our
Speaker 1: guest today is Jose Antonio Bardiya. He's an artist, writer
Speaker 1: and the host of two podcasts, Let Squela Cecreta is
Speaker 1: actually part of the family you guys, the Mike Dura
Speaker 1: podcast Network. So welcome to the show. Welcome back, Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. I'm so happy to have you here. Pensent,
Speaker 1: I was like, I need to talk about micro docing
Speaker 1: because I've mentioned it on the podcast a lot, but
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about it yet. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I need someone that's open about this and has an
Speaker 1: open mind and has tried it, so let's talk about it.
Speaker 3: Quick disclosure, I'm not a medical professional or anything, so
Speaker 3: everybody that wants to try this just ask medical professional first.
Speaker 3: But I can give you all of my everything I've
Speaker 3: read from Timothy Leary and the DMT spirit molecule and
Speaker 3: all of these things and my personal experience. Okay, so
Speaker 3: this is incredible. I think it's really important that we.
Speaker 1: Talk about this, yes see. And this is why because
Speaker 1: I think when we had our first conversation here on
Speaker 1: Chiki's and Chill, we touched a little bit about ayahuasca
Speaker 1: A yahaska Okay, a ayahuasca. I still haven't tried it,
Speaker 1: So we talked a little bit about that stuff. So
Speaker 1: that's why I thought about you. And again you guys
Speaker 1: like like Osantonio just said, we are not qualified professionals.
Speaker 1: It's just I wanted to have an open conversation with
Speaker 1: someone that is open about it. And anyways, so let's
Speaker 1: talk about it, Okay. Lampasta said what four or five
Speaker 1: years ago something like that.
Speaker 3: See, yeah, oil me like as an exercise, and I've
Speaker 3: been reading about it and train it and I have
Speaker 3: my journals and it's as therapy because I started I
Speaker 3: did acid when I was younger. It changed my life
Speaker 3: completely LSD and it was a bad trip, but it
Speaker 3: just it confronted me with my ego and it just
Speaker 3: changed the way I.
Speaker 2: Saw the world and my family and myself.
Speaker 3: And when I got older, I said, like, okay, let's
Speaker 3: get into this, but for real, like let's read into it.
Speaker 3: Let's actually use it to further my mind, my spirit
Speaker 3: and you know, control the ego.
Speaker 2: I think that's what this is all about.
Speaker 3: And that's how I started, and that's how I got
Speaker 3: it into psychedelics and microtos and it helped a lot
Speaker 3: because I have I'm not diagnosed, but obviously I have
Speaker 3: like ADHD and dyslexia and all of that stuff.
Speaker 1: He said, obviously, so fun.
Speaker 3: I was born in the eighties, so I was never diagnosed.
Speaker 3: That was good because I was never drugged or anything.
Speaker 3: So I'm where I am thanks to my crazy, bizarre,
Speaker 3: absurd mind.
Speaker 1: To your very beautiful mind, I means you have a
Speaker 1: very expanded just like I can tell you're an intelligent person,
Speaker 1: and I want to talk to you about so many questions.
Speaker 1: I mean, so many questions. I want to talk to
Speaker 1: about so many things. It's it's a beautiful mind. But no, okay,
Speaker 1: Mira Joe John pees So the psychedelics, my brother actually
Speaker 1: was the first one I started doing it, and he
Speaker 1: wanted me to do it with him, like three Christmases ago.
Speaker 1: It can know I'm not ready, Like I just wasn't ready. You.
Speaker 1: I thought it's something bad because I grew up with Oh,
Speaker 1: it's a drug and and you shouldn't and familiar Cristiana,
Speaker 1: I said, exactly, don't meditate, don't do yoga because it
Speaker 1: takes you to a different dimension and you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to see that. And that's I feel like, very like
Speaker 1: religion can be very with Sino Findera Nadia, because I
Speaker 1: respect all religions. There's a lot of beautiful things from
Speaker 1: every religion, you guys. So that's where my thoughts came. Finally,
Speaker 1: I said, I started looking at documentaries on psychedelics on
Speaker 1: LSD on how these things can really heal our body,
Speaker 1: mind and soul literally, So I said, okay, this is
Speaker 1: right up my alley. I like meditating, I like hiking.
Speaker 1: I feel like I was missing something, So I tried
Speaker 1: it and I started microdosing. And a friend of mine
Speaker 1: actually was the one that introduced me, and she gave
Speaker 1: me some. It actually works and it helps, and it
Speaker 1: can exactly, it frees your mind and it can really
Speaker 1: heal you, and you can stop taking in my opinion,
Speaker 1: prescribe medication. I'm not saying that. Obviously you got to
Speaker 1: talk to your doctrine all that stuff, but for anxiety
Speaker 1: and depression, it's helped me a lot, and that's why
Speaker 1: I started doing it. Yet they will, okay, be as
Speaker 1: missus on stage persona. I feel just I don't even
Speaker 1: know how to explain it.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, since you don't care, you're free and
Speaker 3: you're free to care, right, but your fredeo care about
Speaker 3: what really matters, so you can let go of anxiety
Speaker 3: and all of these things. And what you're saying is true.
Speaker 3: There's actually a lot of studies they're using MDMA, psychosybline,
Speaker 3: mushrooms and LSD to cure PTSD and they're having amazing
Speaker 3: results with this. This is science space, but it's hard
Speaker 3: because since they're still illegal in some places. Well it's
Speaker 3: hard to have actual scientific studies when you're managing something illegal, right,
Speaker 3: But I think micro doses are what are we start
Speaker 3: with the beginning, Like a micro dose is about one
Speaker 3: tenth of the regular dose. So let's say you would
Speaker 3: take one gram of mushroom. That would be like the
Speaker 3: norm like for a regular psychedelic trip. So you would
Speaker 3: take one tenth of a gram and that's your micro does.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's why I'm doing massive man's right. Okay,
Speaker 1: so spoke. You could do it in one right, like
Speaker 1: do have a big trip, or you could do micro
Speaker 1: dos in which is I do every two to three days.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's important actually okay. So, and it differs
Speaker 3: in this way with the micro dos. And this is
Speaker 3: what's so beautiful. But you will not trip. You will
Speaker 3: not get the visuals, you will not get all those
Speaker 3: super tingly feelings, you will not talk to the plants,
Speaker 3: and so you only get this feeling of just incredible
Speaker 3: well being. You'll be able to concentrate, you'll be able
Speaker 3: to get your ideas together, and and this this feeling
Speaker 3: of everything's okay, yes, without the tripping part. So that's important.
Speaker 3: You can go on throughout your day like everything is normal.
Speaker 3: Nobody will even be able to tell. Yeah, it's important.
Speaker 3: It's really important that you you have a diary for
Speaker 3: because most people will go like, well, nothing happened, that's
Speaker 3: the point.
Speaker 2: But if you look back and do you think about how.
Speaker 3: Your last week or two weeks, you're gonna be like, well,
Speaker 3: actually I was really happy. I slept well, I wasn't anxious,
Speaker 3: I was really creative.
Speaker 2: And that's when you can really feel like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is actually working for me.
Speaker 1: Yes exactly, yo, Maca. I'm like feeling a little better.
Speaker 1: But I was sick for like two weeks, Metumbo. But
Speaker 1: when I did micro dose during those days, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's just a mental thing, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I started feeling sad again. And the difference that
Speaker 1: I see with micro dosing is that I don't feel
Speaker 1: as sad. I don't feel like I just like you said,
Speaker 1: I just feel like everything's gonna be okay. And I
Speaker 1: set an intention every time. It's not just amas, but
Speaker 1: I set an attention, and I pray, and I pray
Speaker 1: over my medicine and I call it medicine, and I
Speaker 1: drink it with water, and I don't feel anything anymore
Speaker 1: because I think your body gets used to it fairly quickly.
Speaker 1: So if I want to drink instead of two pills,
Speaker 1: I drink three. And I don't know about all the
Speaker 1: grams and stuff like that, you guys, but I just
Speaker 1: know that I micro dose is very all went on.
Speaker 1: I feel more creative and I just feel different, and
Speaker 1: I started doing it again. Yeah you want to say, man,
Speaker 1: and I feel I just feel like better again, not
Speaker 1: saying I see.
Speaker 3: And what it does is I mean, I was telling
Speaker 3: you the important part about giving it one or two
Speaker 3: days before every take so that you can get rid
Speaker 3: of it and then it'll hit you just like the
Speaker 3: first take, because if you take it every day. Although
Speaker 3: there's some people that say, like, take it from Monday
Speaker 3: to Friday and then don't take it Saturday and Sunday,
Speaker 3: the thing is you need to let your body get
Speaker 3: rid of it so you don't build up tolerance, because
Speaker 3: then you'll need three or four or five.
Speaker 2: Then it's not a micro dose anymore.
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with it, but you want to keep
Speaker 3: the micro does at least for your normal settings. Like
Speaker 3: for me, I do LSD and much room micro dos.
Speaker 3: And I found out that for my brain, my brain
Speaker 3: just it works incredibly well with LSD.
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 3: So you know, I work writing, I investigate all the
Speaker 3: true crime and the ghost stuffs and everything, so I'm
Speaker 3: always reading and and the first thing I realized with
Speaker 3: micro dosing is that I could recall names. I'm really
Speaker 3: bad with names. I could recall all the names that
Speaker 3: I just read. I would write five pages and when
Speaker 3: I'm done, I'm like, oh wow, five pages has been
Speaker 3: like two hours. Didn't even feel them because I was
Speaker 3: just like in the zone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, focused, ultra focused.
Speaker 2: Ultra focused.
Speaker 3: But as soon as I wanted to do something else,
Speaker 3: I could do anything or not like adderall or any
Speaker 3: of these things which I've tried, and they do not work.
Speaker 2: With my print day. It's just not good.
Speaker 3: But like the main difference was with LSD was like
Speaker 3: that with mushrooms. With the micro dos, it was just
Speaker 3: exactly the same, except it makes me even more social
Speaker 3: than I am when I always want to talk to
Speaker 3: people and everything, so I'm focused, but then I.
Speaker 2: Need to tell somebody about this. This is incredible. I
Speaker 2: wanted to talk to people.
Speaker 3: So what I do is when I'm working and everything
Speaker 3: I do the LSD micro dos, and when I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go out, when i know I'm gonna be with people
Speaker 3: and everything I do the mushroom melest the macro dos,
Speaker 3: and that that's how it works with my brain just perfectly,
Speaker 3: and I'm always in this incredible mood. And I think
Speaker 3: something really important is that it helps yourself to figure
Speaker 3: these things out. It's not like a chemical that will
Speaker 3: block signals, and as soon as you take the chemical out,
Speaker 3: those signals will come back and so you can't stop anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 3: micro dos will work with neurop plasticity.
Speaker 2: That's what LSD and.
Speaker 3: Mushroom, so you can actually your your brain reworks itself
Speaker 3: and neurons and it helps you think and actually get
Speaker 3: through things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel like it does work like you
Speaker 1: just said, like on a cellular level. It connects things
Speaker 1: that I in my mind. That's what I envision like
Speaker 1: when I've taken more like when I go to a party,
Speaker 1: instead of drinking alcohol, I'll just take like some chocolatitos,
Speaker 1: you know, those mushrooms. And I feel like, like you said,
Speaker 1: I start like start talking about hey, and what do
Speaker 1: you think about the lasstre yas you know, like it
Speaker 1: just just things just to start conversations, and I'm pre social,
Speaker 1: but it's a deeper conversation. Look, I just start like
Speaker 1: like kind of even like a like a psychic in
Speaker 1: a way. You know, do you drink alcohol?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, cool. I was just wondering because now I'm
Speaker 1: like I've been praying when I'm micro docingkitas as ghanas
Speaker 1: tom and I feel like anything that's more natural, like
Speaker 1: like shrooms are are just more healthy, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, for your body, they are.
Speaker 2: But that's something I do.
Speaker 3: I will substitute drinking with with like taking mushrooms. What
Speaker 3: I do is I usually have at least two times
Speaker 3: a month. I'll take a day of the week, like
Speaker 3: a Sunday, and I'll do the full dose. I'll write,
Speaker 3: I'll have my music ready, I'll have I'll start in
Speaker 3: the afternoon at one o'clock.
Speaker 2: It'll last through the night.
Speaker 3: And I always have questions to ask and meditation exercises
Speaker 3: and what you do you want to do when you
Speaker 3: do this is always ask questions, receive answers, and try
Speaker 3: to elevate your mind. Right if if there's something bothering you,
Speaker 3: you can fix it because it'll actually push you, forcing
Speaker 3: you to confront whatever's going on with you. And at
Speaker 3: the same time, that's what they call a bad trip,
Speaker 3: like a bad trip, but what it actually is it
Speaker 3: cycles you with a problem.
Speaker 2: So you'll be like, oh, I'm really scared of this.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm really scared of this.
Speaker 3: I'm really scared of this and it becomes like when
Speaker 3: you read the same word a lot of times and
Speaker 3: then it loses its meaning. So with the bad trip,
Speaker 3: this problem will lose its meaning and then you can
Speaker 3: actually analyze what's actually happening to you. And while you
Speaker 3: were saying that it can reconnect, it make new neurological connections,
Speaker 3: it can also break neurological connections. That's why it's being
Speaker 3: so good at PTSD because.
Speaker 1: When my brother does it, he goes back to like
Speaker 1: things that he needs to heal from his childhood of
Speaker 1: coause and then he he's like I he cries it
Speaker 1: out and then he feels better the next day. You
Speaker 1: don't mean, it's almost like it's it breaks well bad
Speaker 1: habits as well, could break bad habits, but also generational things.
Speaker 2: Totalmente's looks. It's what it's doing.
Speaker 3: It's why it's so it's breaking new grounds in psychology
Speaker 3: and how to ward the brain works. Because we need
Speaker 3: to understand that we grew up with psychedelics millions of
Speaker 3: years ago when we were hominids. You know, there's the
Speaker 3: stone ape theory that says that we probably ate much
Speaker 3: rooms or something, and that helped our brains grow real
Speaker 3: big and start looking at the stars and start doing.
Speaker 2: Art and all of these things.
Speaker 3: So a lot of art, like anthropologists and archaeologists need
Speaker 3: to realize that we were probably high as a species
Speaker 3: when we made a lot of art, and you need
Speaker 3: to look at it through that lens.
Speaker 2: They were trying to tell us something.
Speaker 3: But because they were on rooms, right, and the if
Speaker 3: you're in on trooms, then you can understand it.
Speaker 2: So we shouldn't be afraid of these things.
Speaker 3: We need to understand them and educate people on what
Speaker 3: they can do how to take.
Speaker 2: Them because quand they're they're they're afraid of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not just that they tell us like
Speaker 3: they're drugs, but most people will tell you like, oh no,
Speaker 3: well let's see that's horrible. I took it out a
Speaker 3: rave and it was horrible, Like, well, you shouldn't take
Speaker 3: psychedelics at a party when you don't know what's going
Speaker 3: to happen to you, because it it may turn bad.
Speaker 3: I mean, it won't hurt you, but you will have
Speaker 3: a bad time, and then you will be afraid.
Speaker 1: Of them exactly. So that was my next point because
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people use it as a
Speaker 1: quote unquote party drug, and you can. But the thing
Speaker 1: is if you see it and view it as a medicine,
Speaker 1: these things LSD psychedelics, and you do it on a
Speaker 1: spiritual realm and you do it like like you said,
Speaker 1: That's one thing I want to implement is I want
Speaker 1: to start journaling when I'm microdosing, just because it's like
Speaker 1: I haven't put that into play. But for me personally,
Speaker 1: I feel like you have to prepare yourself, but have
Speaker 1: your music ready, have something to write to a kusamabi
Speaker 1: and muchasidas. You know, like a lot of crazy ideas
Speaker 1: that are I wouldn't have thought about them, to be honest,
Speaker 1: if I wasn't, you know, on shrooms better went on, Yes,
Speaker 1: like you can use it for party, but like jose said,
Speaker 1: you guys, you have to be careful because I feel
Speaker 1: like you need to be in a safe place and
Speaker 1: you need to do it in a way of I'm
Speaker 1: trying to change myself for the better. And sometimes when
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people, you can have and
Speaker 1: you most likely will have a bad trip. So that's
Speaker 1: why I think it's like, oh, it's a party drug
Speaker 1: and this and that, yes and no, so just be mindful.
Speaker 3: I mean I would tell people like, if you're going
Speaker 3: to start to learn how to ride a bike, you
Speaker 3: won't get you won't go mountain biking, as when you're
Speaker 3: starting right, first learn about the bike, how it feels,
Speaker 3: what it does to you, how to control it. Now
Speaker 3: you control the bike, the bike does not control you.
Speaker 3: Then you can take it out to a different kind
Speaker 3: of terrain and everything. It's the same with psychedelics. Use
Speaker 3: it for you, learn what it does to you, let
Speaker 3: it cure you, let it confront you with your fears
Speaker 3: and fix them. Once you know that you can control
Speaker 3: it perfectly it happens, then you can take it outside
Speaker 3: and go a place when you know that you won't
Speaker 3: get overwhelmed by the music or the people, because that's
Speaker 3: usually what happens. You get overwhelmed and you don't have
Speaker 3: a safe space, and you start to panic and you
Speaker 3: get paranoid it and they start looping and that's your
Speaker 3: bad trip. But if you're in your home with somebody
Speaker 3: that knows what they're doing also, and you have your bed,
Speaker 3: if you want to go lie down, take.
Speaker 2: A shower, you have fruit or monkeys, you can go
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 3: Go outside, you know that's how you should always start.
Speaker 3: And even so the main point of psycholotics should always
Speaker 3: be to better yourself.
Speaker 1: Yes, you have to set that mindset to say, yes,
Speaker 1: I want to better myself. That's exactly what I say.
Speaker 1: I want this medicine to bring the best out in me,
Speaker 1: to make me a better version of myself, to heal
Speaker 1: my mind body. And so it's like I want to
Speaker 1: have a good experience. I'm intending that I want to
Speaker 1: be the best self. I don't know if it's because
Speaker 1: I'm doing it now. Check tells this whole right. The
Speaker 1: microdocing or you know, doing like mushrooms has become very popular,
Speaker 1: I should say, for the lack of a better word,
Speaker 1: why do you think that is. Is it just something
Speaker 1: that people have been doing or people are just more
Speaker 1: open to speaking about it.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a combination of things. I mean,
Speaker 3: people have been doing this since long ago. Yeah, like
Speaker 3: micro dosing. Francis Creek, the man who discovered the double
Speaker 3: helicks with from DNA, he was technically micro dosing an
Speaker 3: LSD when he.
Speaker 2: Figured out everything. Yeah, Oh I didn't know that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the guys that made the Internet, they were also
Speaker 3: micro dosing which it was in this great science, but
Speaker 3: they used low levels of mushrooms or LSITY and they
Speaker 3: came up with the Internet and how to connect it
Speaker 3: and everything. So you have no idea how many people
Speaker 3: and great scientists have tried this.
Speaker 1: A lot of professionals.
Speaker 3: It opens their mind. Yeah, like Silicon Valley people use
Speaker 3: this a lot. So besides that we were using it
Speaker 3: right now, I think there's more information. We have the
Speaker 3: Internet and everything, and now it's easier to get. Like
Speaker 3: with LSD and mushrooms, it's hard to get the micro
Speaker 3: dose analyze. It would be one microgram with well a
Speaker 3: little square of paper. You can't cut it into ten parts.
Speaker 3: It's really hard. You need a chemist that sells you
Speaker 3: the micro dose dose is. So now they're coming up
Speaker 3: with this and it's more open and people can.
Speaker 2: Find somebody that they can trust.
Speaker 3: Actually, but they can sell it now with micro dos
Speaker 3: And then there's all these studies and people are talking
Speaker 3: about it and they're more open, and all these fears
Speaker 3: from parents and church and even police officials and everything.
Speaker 3: People are like, wait, this won't kill me.
Speaker 2: You told them.
Speaker 3: It's the same about marijuana and about mushrooms.
Speaker 1: Alcohol. Back in the days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I want to try it, and people are
Speaker 3: more open to try it. And I think the most
Speaker 3: important factor is we're living in a time where there's
Speaker 3: an epidemic of loneliness, of feeling empty, of emptiness. Even
Speaker 3: though we're connected with the internet, with the pandemic that
Speaker 3: happened and everything we are looking for meaning and religion
Speaker 3: is not doing it. Because we know there's more. People
Speaker 3: are opening their minds to what else is there, and
Speaker 3: psychedelics is exactly the thing that you need to get there.
Speaker 3: So people are more open to I want to discover
Speaker 3: myself from the inside and then discover the world and
Speaker 3: religion and everything else. So I think that's really important.
Speaker 3: It's given us a chance to actually connect with ourselves.
Speaker 3: Once we do that, we connect with nature, we connect
Speaker 3: with everybody else and eventually, and that's the point of psychedelics,
Speaker 3: is the freedom of ego and connecting yourself to the
Speaker 3: wholeness of the universe, seeing yourself as a part of
Speaker 3: everything but also as an individual. It sounds conterintuitive, but
Speaker 3: once you figure that out, once your brain can actually
Speaker 3: see that, you have no idea how much freedom it
Speaker 3: brings and how much empathy and love it can give
Speaker 3: you towards everything else.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, oh my gosh, absolutely like it. Just I don't
Speaker 1: even know how to explain it, but I think you
Speaker 1: explained it absolutely perfectly. You feel like I am a
Speaker 1: part of something so much bigger outside of this world
Speaker 1: and you find that it and I can't. I could
Speaker 1: sit here and try to explain it, but until you
Speaker 1: figure it out and feel it yourself, you'll understand what
Speaker 1: I'm saying right now. The it that it. You're part
Speaker 1: of something magical. It's amazing. And that's why I'm telling you, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm so passionate about this, and I just feel that
Speaker 1: this is something that they who's they no say it,
Speaker 1: but there's they that want They want to keep this
Speaker 1: from us because you use a different side of your brain.
Speaker 1: It heals your brain. I feel, it heals your soul
Speaker 1: and you're happier and you're just more creative, and they
Speaker 1: want to suppress us. That's just they None. Let's go
Speaker 1: Cain sa P.
Speaker 3: Yes, but you should totally talk about the conspiracy because
Speaker 3: it's true. It was the CIA that actually made LSD.
Speaker 3: You know, they gave it to everybody. Need to see
Speaker 3: what would happen? See they could control people. They thought
Speaker 3: this is the drug with mk ultra, which was the
Speaker 3: thing that happened. They said, this is a drug where
Speaker 3: we can control people, and it turned out to be
Speaker 3: the complete opposite.
Speaker 2: It would free people. So now you.
Speaker 3: Can't control them because they're like, oh, you need to
Speaker 3: worry about your job and eight to five and blah blah.
Speaker 3: And people who are opened and connected with the universe
Speaker 3: will be like, no, and I don't want to fight
Speaker 3: another human being.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't hate other people?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And stop war? You know. Yeah, that's what happened with
Speaker 2: the hippies.
Speaker 3: Everybody was high on LSD, smoking weed and eating mushrooms
Speaker 3: and they were like, why are we fighting each other?
Speaker 2: Let's just have sex and love each other and work together. Right.
Speaker 3: So the government was like, oh, whoops, don't take it back,
Speaker 3: take it back. We need to make this illegal, the
Speaker 3: Definity ament because there's no overdoses that you don't get violent,
Speaker 3: and it's still it's scheduled as like you know, it's
Speaker 3: on grade on par with like cocaine and heroin, and
Speaker 3: once you see what else does or bush rooms, you're like,
Speaker 3: why is this something that you should fear? And that
Speaker 3: the government is all right about and yeah, that's the conspiracy,
Speaker 3: and I do believe that that's a big part of it.
Speaker 1: Okay. See, look, I think have like take some some
Speaker 1: mushrooms together, ye like, or they're gonna I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I have a social responsibility, but I
Speaker 1: also feel like you just said, I thought, why are
Speaker 1: we not sharing this with the world. Why you know,
Speaker 1: I've been giving it to my grandma, right, and Desa
Speaker 1: is pastillas to help her with that, like prescribe medication,
Speaker 1: and I told her about this gitom tom las and
Speaker 1: she is like so much better now instead of taking
Speaker 1: two of her pills, the prescribed pills, she's taking one.
Speaker 1: And then now she's facing it out like little by
Speaker 1: little she's weaning off of it. So I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I want to share with the world. We need to
Speaker 1: know about this, and I'm hoping that it becomes legal,
Speaker 1: and I think we're not too far from it personally,
Speaker 1: Like mushrooms, what do you think.
Speaker 3: There's a state I don't remember which one that just
Speaker 3: made it legal. I don't know if it was Colorado
Speaker 3: or but they made mushrooms.
Speaker 1: Legal now okay, so ivah, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Just like with the weed.
Speaker 3: But I think we need to educate people, not just
Speaker 3: the ones that are gonna take it, but the ones
Speaker 3: that are still against it, because they're still living in
Speaker 3: this the nineteen eighties with their program and run o'
Speaker 3: reagan and his war against drugs and all this stupid
Speaker 3: stuff and the satanic panic. So we still have a
Speaker 3: lot of people that are against it because they don't
Speaker 3: know what's going on. They think it's as bad as
Speaker 3: heroin or as bad as fentanil.
Speaker 2: And this is a plant.
Speaker 3: This is something that probably gave us cognition or more
Speaker 3: like the cognition that we know of today.
Speaker 2: So we shouldn't be afraid of it.
Speaker 3: We should be studying it and using it to better
Speaker 3: other people in our minds and just the love we
Speaker 3: have for each other.
Speaker 1: Yes, and heal again. Like jos Antonio just said, we
Speaker 1: have to instead of being afraid of something, read on it. Research.
Speaker 1: Knowledge is powered you guys, and Mielo o Sah. Watch
Speaker 1: if you guys are more of like watching things, watch
Speaker 1: there's so many, so many documentaries on Netflix now on YouTube,
Speaker 1: you guys, just to educate yourself exactly.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you knew, but we come
Speaker 3: from the same branch as mushrooms.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know that.
Speaker 3: Humans so way way back back, back back when life
Speaker 3: was starting, one branch turned into mushrooms, and from that
Speaker 3: branch started animals and mammals and a lot of us.
Speaker 2: We're even connected. We're connected in that way.
Speaker 3: And the biggest living entity in our planet is a
Speaker 3: mushroom in the United States. It's it's antomatic. It helps
Speaker 3: trees talk to each other and it communicates, and it's alive.
Speaker 3: So much we can learn from.
Speaker 1: Them, so much can set us. But there is much something,
Speaker 1: so much more powerful than us, you guys. And it's
Speaker 1: in our plants and in our trees, and it's even
Speaker 1: in us of course, and and the mushrooms are just
Speaker 1: I don't know there. There's just so much. Now. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I believe in magic. Absolutely, That's what we have talked
Speaker 1: about last I'm like, yes, I believe in magic, guys.
Speaker 1: It freaking it's there, trust me.
Speaker 2: You know you can see it.
Speaker 1: I can see it now, I swear. It's like I
Speaker 1: don't care, yeah, but I mean it's like I see
Speaker 1: okay yoag like you know, my music and everything. It's
Speaker 1: still a lot of things are still very taboo, and
Speaker 1: I get criticized a lot for talking about certain things
Speaker 1: and talking about this, and it's like you're ruining our youth.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, if you only knew, this is actually
Speaker 1: going to help our future, the future generations. And it's
Speaker 1: when Molos, I feel like forma, we need to share it.
Speaker 1: I need to have people like you that are super
Speaker 1: knowledgeable and know about these things. And you're so open
Speaker 1: minded Likeanta, Like I feel like you're just nit that
Speaker 1: like a beautiful, beautiful mind, and I swear to you,
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. We need to sit down and chill.
Speaker 3: I'll go over you, get you put the rooms in
Speaker 3: the cattle pot, and we just talk and have a
Speaker 3: great psychic experience. Yes, something I love to do is
Speaker 3: I'll take some rooms and then I'll go to the
Speaker 3: l Vivero to the plant store and I'll look at
Speaker 3: the plants.
Speaker 2: I'll buy a lot of plants. I'll come back home, I'll.
Speaker 3: Tend to my garden La ciembro Yes Tolundia and in
Speaker 3: contacta migos plat cando philosophy, and you get into all
Speaker 3: these things and you just appreciate just a day more
Speaker 3: than you'll ever appreciate any other day.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I completely agree. Oh my gosh, it's what your
Speaker 1: third season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's gonna take a whole new approach.
Speaker 3: You know. In the first one it was me talking
Speaker 3: about esoteric stuff and wekas chaos magic, and then the
Speaker 3: second one was me talking to people that know about
Speaker 3: this stuff. I actually have an episode about bushrooms. I
Speaker 3: talk to an expert about psilocybins in the second season,
Speaker 3: and the third one is going to be more about
Speaker 3: analyzing since we wake up like from my microcosm, like
Speaker 3: I wake up, what's waking up?
Speaker 2: What's dreaming? Why do we need to dream?
Speaker 3: And then I'll talk to an expert about that. Then
Speaker 3: my house, what's my house? How does owning property work?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: And I'll talk to an expert, So going about my
Speaker 3: life from the smallest micro things to the macro like
Speaker 3: the universe where are we standing on? So that's going
Speaker 3: to be like the new emphasis on scol SECRETA season three.
Speaker 1: Mean, you guys listen to it. So if I'm and
Speaker 1: if you want to share, please actually please share your
Speaker 1: social media with everyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find me anywhere as El Badiablu and
Speaker 3: well just listen to Legenda's legendarias and Squila.
Speaker 1: Secreta perfect All right, well, thank you so much. And
Speaker 1: you guys, I have a quote Ya Samin, and the
Speaker 1: quote is the body is a self healing organism, so
Speaker 1: it's really about clearing things out of the way so
Speaker 1: the body can heal itself. So I thought it was
Speaker 1: perfect for what we've been talking about. So you guys
Speaker 1: just reiterating, we are not professionals, so we just yes,
Speaker 1: I we're not doctors here. You guys, talk to your doctors.
Speaker 1: Don't stop taking your medication. And you think that mushrooms
Speaker 1: is gonna like, no, go talk to your doctors, do
Speaker 1: your research and if you want to try it, then
Speaker 1: that's on you. I'm just sharing my experience. Chose. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much.
Speaker 2: Itep with a.
Speaker 1: Soon because I want to go. I want to go
Speaker 1: visit you or you come here and no say, but
Speaker 1: we got a chill.
Speaker 2: For sure, see GeSe, it's gonna happen. And thank you
Speaker 2: so much. Ye pray, thank you.
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