1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: What up, guys. So before we kick off today's episode, 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: I have a special and exciting announcement. On August seventeenth, 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: We'll be hosting a live taping of Cheeky's and Chill 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, presented by Kellogg's. It's a part of 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: the Micuntura Podcast Networks Anniversary. So head over to stage 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: pilot dot com slash Mike Ultura again stage pilot dot 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: com slash Micultura to purchase tickets and for streaming info. Okay, 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: hope to see you there. I was missing something, so 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: I started microdocing and it actually works and it helps 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: and for anxiety and depression. It's helped me a lot, 11 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: and that's why I started doing it. 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 2: Psychedelics. 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 3: It's given us a chance to actually connect with ourselves. 14 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: Once we do that, we connect with nature, we connect 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: with everybody else and eventually the universe. 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: I want this medicine to bring the best out in me, 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: to make me a better version of myself, to heal 18 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: my mind body in socas like I want to have 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: a good experience, I'm intending that I want to be 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: the best self. Happy Monday, guys, how is everyone doing today? 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: I hope you guys are doing fabulous espana. I'm really 22 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: looking forward to today's episode because we're going to be 23 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: talking about something I've hinted at over the last few months, microdosing. 24 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: I told you guys how it's changed my life, but 25 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: I haven't really said too much more about it, and 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: that's because I wanted to wait until we had a 27 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,279 Speaker 1: perfect guess. So now that we have that person, let's 28 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: dive right into it. This is Cheeky's and Chill. Our 29 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: guest today is Jose Antonio Bardiya. He's an artist, writer 30 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: and the host of two podcasts, Let Squela Cecreta is 31 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: actually part of the family you guys, the Mike Dura 32 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: podcast Network. So welcome to the show. Welcome back, Thank 33 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: you so much. I'm so happy to have you here. Pensent, 34 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: I was like, I need to talk about micro docing 35 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: because I've mentioned it on the podcast a lot, but 36 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: I don't know enough about it yet. So I was like, 37 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: I need someone that's open about this and has an 38 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: open mind and has tried it, so let's talk about it. 39 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: Quick disclosure, I'm not a medical professional or anything, so 40 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: everybody that wants to try this just ask medical professional first. 41 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: But I can give you all of my everything I've 42 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 3: read from Timothy Leary and the DMT spirit molecule and 43 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: all of these things and my personal experience. Okay, so 44 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: this is incredible. I think it's really important that we. 45 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: Talk about this, yes see. And this is why because 46 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: I think when we had our first conversation here on 47 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: Chiki's and Chill, we touched a little bit about ayahuasca 48 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: A yahaska Okay, a ayahuasca. I still haven't tried it, 49 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: So we talked a little bit about that stuff. So 50 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: that's why I thought about you. And again you guys 51 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: like like Osantonio just said, we are not qualified professionals. 52 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: It's just I wanted to have an open conversation with 53 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: someone that is open about it. And anyways, so let's 54 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: talk about it, Okay. Lampasta said what four or five 55 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: years ago something like that. 56 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 3: See, yeah, oil me like as an exercise, and I've 57 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: been reading about it and train it and I have 58 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: my journals and it's as therapy because I started I 59 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: did acid when I was younger. It changed my life 60 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 3: completely LSD and it was a bad trip, but it 61 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: just it confronted me with my ego and it just 62 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: changed the way I. 63 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: Saw the world and my family and myself. 64 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 3: And when I got older, I said, like, okay, let's 65 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: get into this, but for real, like let's read into it. 66 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: Let's actually use it to further my mind, my spirit 67 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 3: and you know, control the ego. 68 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: I think that's what this is all about. 69 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 3: And that's how I started, and that's how I got 70 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: it into psychedelics and microtos and it helped a lot 71 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: because I have I'm not diagnosed, but obviously I have 72 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: like ADHD and dyslexia and all of that stuff. 73 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: He said, obviously, so fun. 74 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: I was born in the eighties, so I was never diagnosed. 75 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 3: That was good because I was never drugged or anything. 76 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: So I'm where I am thanks to my crazy, bizarre, 77 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 3: absurd mind. 78 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: To your very beautiful mind, I means you have a 79 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: very expanded just like I can tell you're an intelligent person, 80 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: and I want to talk to you about so many questions. 81 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: I mean, so many questions. I want to talk to 82 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: about so many things. It's it's a beautiful mind. But no, okay, 83 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,799 Speaker 1: Mira Joe John pees So the psychedelics, my brother actually 84 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: was the first one I started doing it, and he 85 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: wanted me to do it with him, like three Christmases ago. 86 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: It can know I'm not ready, Like I just wasn't ready. You. 87 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: I thought it's something bad because I grew up with Oh, 88 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: it's a drug and and you shouldn't and familiar Cristiana, 89 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: I said, exactly, don't meditate, don't do yoga because it 90 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 1: takes you to a different dimension and you're not supposed 91 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: to see that. And that's I feel like, very like 92 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: religion can be very with Sino Findera Nadia, because I 93 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: respect all religions. There's a lot of beautiful things from 94 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: every religion, you guys. So that's where my thoughts came. Finally, 95 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: I said, I started looking at documentaries on psychedelics on 96 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: LSD on how these things can really heal our body, 97 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: mind and soul literally, So I said, okay, this is 98 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: right up my alley. I like meditating, I like hiking. 99 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 1: I feel like I was missing something, So I tried 100 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: it and I started microdosing. And a friend of mine 101 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: actually was the one that introduced me, and she gave 102 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: me some. It actually works and it helps, and it 103 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 1: can exactly, it frees your mind and it can really 104 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: heal you, and you can stop taking in my opinion, 105 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: prescribe medication. I'm not saying that. Obviously you got to 106 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: talk to your doctrine all that stuff, but for anxiety 107 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: and depression, it's helped me a lot, and that's why 108 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: I started doing it. Yet they will, okay, be as 109 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: missus on stage persona. I feel just I don't even 110 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: know how to explain it. 111 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: But I'm like, since you don't care, you're free and 112 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 3: you're free to care, right, but your fredeo care about 113 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 3: what really matters, so you can let go of anxiety 114 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 3: and all of these things. And what you're saying is true. 115 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 3: There's actually a lot of studies they're using MDMA, psychosybline, 116 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: mushrooms and LSD to cure PTSD and they're having amazing 117 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 3: results with this. This is science space, but it's hard 118 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 3: because since they're still illegal in some places. Well it's 119 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: hard to have actual scientific studies when you're managing something illegal, right, 120 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 3: But I think micro doses are what are we start 121 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 3: with the beginning, Like a micro dose is about one 122 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: tenth of the regular dose. So let's say you would 123 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 3: take one gram of mushroom. That would be like the 124 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 3: norm like for a regular psychedelic trip. So you would 125 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: take one tenth of a gram and that's your micro does. 126 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: Okay, So that's why I'm doing massive man's right. Okay, 127 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: so spoke. You could do it in one right, like 128 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: do have a big trip, or you could do micro 129 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: dos in which is I do every two to three days. 130 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: Yes, and that's important actually okay. So, and it differs 131 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 3: in this way with the micro dos. And this is 132 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: what's so beautiful. But you will not trip. You will 133 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: not get the visuals, you will not get all those 134 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 3: super tingly feelings, you will not talk to the plants, 135 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: and so you only get this feeling of just incredible 136 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: well being. You'll be able to concentrate, you'll be able 137 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: to get your ideas together, and and this this feeling 138 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: of everything's okay, yes, without the tripping part. So that's important. 139 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: You can go on throughout your day like everything is normal. 140 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: Nobody will even be able to tell. Yeah, it's important. 141 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: It's really important that you you have a diary for 142 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 3: because most people will go like, well, nothing happened, that's 143 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 3: the point. 144 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: But if you look back and do you think about how. 145 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: Your last week or two weeks, you're gonna be like, well, 146 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: actually I was really happy. I slept well, I wasn't anxious, 147 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: I was really creative. 148 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: And that's when you can really feel like, oh, this 149 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: is actually working for me. 150 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: Yes exactly, yo, Maca. I'm like feeling a little better. 151 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: But I was sick for like two weeks, Metumbo. But 152 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: when I did micro dose during those days, and I 153 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: don't know if it's just a mental thing, I don't know, 154 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: but I started feeling sad again. And the difference that 155 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: I see with micro dosing is that I don't feel 156 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: as sad. I don't feel like I just like you said, 157 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: I just feel like everything's gonna be okay. And I 158 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: set an intention every time. It's not just amas, but 159 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: I set an attention, and I pray, and I pray 160 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: over my medicine and I call it medicine, and I 161 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: drink it with water, and I don't feel anything anymore 162 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: because I think your body gets used to it fairly quickly. 163 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: So if I want to drink instead of two pills, 164 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: I drink three. And I don't know about all the 165 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: grams and stuff like that, you guys, but I just 166 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: know that I micro dose is very all went on. 167 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: I feel more creative and I just feel different, and 168 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: I started doing it again. Yeah you want to say, man, 169 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: and I feel I just feel like better again, not 170 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: saying I see. 171 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 3: And what it does is I mean, I was telling 172 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 3: you the important part about giving it one or two 173 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: days before every take so that you can get rid 174 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: of it and then it'll hit you just like the 175 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 3: first take, because if you take it every day. Although 176 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: there's some people that say, like, take it from Monday 177 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 3: to Friday and then don't take it Saturday and Sunday, 178 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 3: the thing is you need to let your body get 179 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 3: rid of it so you don't build up tolerance, because 180 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: then you'll need three or four or five. 181 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: Then it's not a micro dose anymore. 182 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with it, but you want to keep 183 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 3: the micro does at least for your normal settings. Like 184 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: for me, I do LSD and much room micro dos. 185 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 3: And I found out that for my brain, my brain 186 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: just it works incredibly well with LSD. 187 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: I see. 188 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: So you know, I work writing, I investigate all the 189 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: true crime and the ghost stuffs and everything, so I'm 190 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 3: always reading and and the first thing I realized with 191 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: micro dosing is that I could recall names. I'm really 192 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: bad with names. I could recall all the names that 193 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: I just read. I would write five pages and when 194 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 3: I'm done, I'm like, oh wow, five pages has been 195 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 3: like two hours. Didn't even feel them because I was 196 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 3: just like in the zone. 197 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, focused, ultra focused. 198 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: Ultra focused. 199 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 3: But as soon as I wanted to do something else, 200 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: I could do anything or not like adderall or any 201 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: of these things which I've tried, and they do not work. 202 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 2: With my print day. It's just not good. 203 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 3: But like the main difference was with LSD was like 204 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 3: that with mushrooms. With the micro dos, it was just 205 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: exactly the same, except it makes me even more social 206 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 3: than I am when I always want to talk to 207 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: people and everything, so I'm focused, but then I. 208 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: Need to tell somebody about this. This is incredible. I 209 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: wanted to talk to people. 210 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: So what I do is when I'm working and everything 211 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: I do the LSD micro dos, and when I'm gonna 212 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: go out, when i know I'm gonna be with people 213 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: and everything I do the mushroom melest the macro dos, 214 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 3: and that that's how it works with my brain just perfectly, 215 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 3: and I'm always in this incredible mood. And I think 216 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: something really important is that it helps yourself to figure 217 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: these things out. It's not like a chemical that will 218 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 3: block signals, and as soon as you take the chemical out, 219 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: those signals will come back and so you can't stop anymore. Yeah, 220 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: micro dos will work with neurop plasticity. 221 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: That's what LSD and. 222 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: Mushroom, so you can actually your your brain reworks itself 223 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: and neurons and it helps you think and actually get 224 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 3: through things. 225 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel like it does work like you 226 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: just said, like on a cellular level. It connects things 227 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: that I in my mind. That's what I envision like 228 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: when I've taken more like when I go to a party, 229 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: instead of drinking alcohol, I'll just take like some chocolatitos, 230 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: you know, those mushrooms. And I feel like, like you said, 231 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: I start like start talking about hey, and what do 232 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: you think about the lasstre yas you know, like it 233 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: just just things just to start conversations, and I'm pre social, 234 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: but it's a deeper conversation. Look, I just start like 235 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: like kind of even like a like a psychic in 236 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: a way. You know, do you drink alcohol? 237 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? 238 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, cool. I was just wondering because now I'm 239 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: like I've been praying when I'm micro docingkitas as ghanas 240 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: tom and I feel like anything that's more natural, like 241 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: like shrooms are are just more healthy, you know what 242 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: I mean, for your body, they are. 243 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: But that's something I do. 244 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 3: I will substitute drinking with with like taking mushrooms. What 245 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: I do is I usually have at least two times 246 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 3: a month. I'll take a day of the week, like 247 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: a Sunday, and I'll do the full dose. I'll write, 248 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: I'll have my music ready, I'll have I'll start in 249 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: the afternoon at one o'clock. 250 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: It'll last through the night. 251 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 3: And I always have questions to ask and meditation exercises 252 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: and what you do you want to do when you 253 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: do this is always ask questions, receive answers, and try 254 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 3: to elevate your mind. Right if if there's something bothering you, 255 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 3: you can fix it because it'll actually push you, forcing 256 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 3: you to confront whatever's going on with you. And at 257 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: the same time, that's what they call a bad trip, 258 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 3: like a bad trip, but what it actually is it 259 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: cycles you with a problem. 260 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: So you'll be like, oh, I'm really scared of this. 261 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: Oh I'm really scared of this. 262 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 3: I'm really scared of this and it becomes like when 263 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 3: you read the same word a lot of times and 264 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 3: then it loses its meaning. So with the bad trip, 265 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 3: this problem will lose its meaning and then you can 266 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 3: actually analyze what's actually happening to you. And while you 267 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 3: were saying that it can reconnect, it make new neurological connections, 268 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: it can also break neurological connections. That's why it's being 269 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 3: so good at PTSD because. 270 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: When my brother does it, he goes back to like 271 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: things that he needs to heal from his childhood of 272 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: coause and then he he's like I he cries it 273 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: out and then he feels better the next day. You 274 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: don't mean, it's almost like it's it breaks well bad 275 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: habits as well, could break bad habits, but also generational things. 276 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: Totalmente's looks. It's what it's doing. 277 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 3: It's why it's so it's breaking new grounds in psychology 278 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 3: and how to ward the brain works. Because we need 279 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: to understand that we grew up with psychedelics millions of 280 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: years ago when we were hominids. You know, there's the 281 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 3: stone ape theory that says that we probably ate much 282 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: rooms or something, and that helped our brains grow real 283 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: big and start looking at the stars and start doing. 284 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: Art and all of these things. 285 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: So a lot of art, like anthropologists and archaeologists need 286 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: to realize that we were probably high as a species 287 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: when we made a lot of art, and you need 288 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 3: to look at it through that lens. 289 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: They were trying to tell us something. 290 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: But because they were on rooms, right, and the if 291 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: you're in on trooms, then you can understand it. 292 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: So we shouldn't be afraid of these things. 293 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: We need to understand them and educate people on what 294 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: they can do how to take. 295 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: Them because quand they're they're they're afraid of it. 296 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not just that they tell us like 297 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 3: they're drugs, but most people will tell you like, oh no, 298 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: well let's see that's horrible. I took it out a 299 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: rave and it was horrible, Like, well, you shouldn't take 300 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: psychedelics at a party when you don't know what's going 301 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 3: to happen to you, because it it may turn bad. 302 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 3: I mean, it won't hurt you, but you will have 303 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 3: a bad time, and then you will be afraid. 304 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: Of them exactly. So that was my next point because 305 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people use it as a 306 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: quote unquote party drug, and you can. But the thing 307 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: is if you see it and view it as a medicine, 308 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: these things LSD psychedelics, and you do it on a 309 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: spiritual realm and you do it like like you said, 310 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: That's one thing I want to implement is I want 311 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: to start journaling when I'm microdosing, just because it's like 312 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: I haven't put that into play. But for me personally, 313 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: I feel like you have to prepare yourself, but have 314 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: your music ready, have something to write to a kusamabi 315 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: and muchasidas. You know, like a lot of crazy ideas 316 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: that are I wouldn't have thought about them, to be honest, 317 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: if I wasn't, you know, on shrooms better went on, Yes, 318 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: like you can use it for party, but like jose said, 319 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: you guys, you have to be careful because I feel 320 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: like you need to be in a safe place and 321 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: you need to do it in a way of I'm 322 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: trying to change myself for the better. And sometimes when 323 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people, you can have and 324 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: you most likely will have a bad trip. So that's 325 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: why I think it's like, oh, it's a party drug 326 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: and this and that, yes and no, so just be mindful. 327 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 3: I mean I would tell people like, if you're going 328 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 3: to start to learn how to ride a bike, you 329 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: won't get you won't go mountain biking, as when you're 330 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: starting right, first learn about the bike, how it feels, 331 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 3: what it does to you, how to control it. Now 332 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 3: you control the bike, the bike does not control you. 333 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: Then you can take it out to a different kind 334 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 3: of terrain and everything. It's the same with psychedelics. Use 335 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 3: it for you, learn what it does to you, let 336 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: it cure you, let it confront you with your fears 337 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 3: and fix them. Once you know that you can control 338 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: it perfectly it happens, then you can take it outside 339 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 3: and go a place when you know that you won't 340 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 3: get overwhelmed by the music or the people, because that's 341 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 3: usually what happens. You get overwhelmed and you don't have 342 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 3: a safe space, and you start to panic and you 343 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 3: get paranoid it and they start looping and that's your 344 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 3: bad trip. But if you're in your home with somebody 345 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: that knows what they're doing also, and you have your bed, 346 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 3: if you want to go lie down, take. 347 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 2: A shower, you have fruit or monkeys, you can go 348 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: with that. 349 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 3: Go outside, you know that's how you should always start. 350 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 3: And even so the main point of psycholotics should always 351 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 3: be to better yourself. 352 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: Yes, you have to set that mindset to say, yes, 353 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: I want to better myself. That's exactly what I say. 354 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: I want this medicine to bring the best out in me, 355 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: to make me a better version of myself, to heal 356 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: my mind body. And so it's like I want to 357 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: have a good experience. I'm intending that I want to 358 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: be the best self. I don't know if it's because 359 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: I'm doing it now. Check tells this whole right. The 360 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: microdocing or you know, doing like mushrooms has become very popular, 361 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: I should say, for the lack of a better word, 362 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: why do you think that is. Is it just something 363 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: that people have been doing or people are just more 364 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: open to speaking about it. 365 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a combination of things. I mean, 366 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 3: people have been doing this since long ago. Yeah, like 367 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 3: micro dosing. Francis Creek, the man who discovered the double 368 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 3: helicks with from DNA, he was technically micro dosing an 369 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 3: LSD when he. 370 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: Figured out everything. Yeah, Oh I didn't know that. Yeah. 371 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 3: And the guys that made the Internet, they were also 372 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 3: micro dosing which it was in this great science, but 373 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 3: they used low levels of mushrooms or LSITY and they 374 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: came up with the Internet and how to connect it 375 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 3: and everything. So you have no idea how many people 376 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 3: and great scientists have tried this. 377 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: A lot of professionals. 378 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 3: It opens their mind. Yeah, like Silicon Valley people use 379 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 3: this a lot. So besides that we were using it 380 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 3: right now, I think there's more information. We have the 381 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 3: Internet and everything, and now it's easier to get. Like 382 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 3: with LSD and mushrooms, it's hard to get the micro 383 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 3: dose analyze. It would be one microgram with well a 384 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: little square of paper. You can't cut it into ten parts. 385 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 3: It's really hard. You need a chemist that sells you 386 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 3: the micro dose dose is. So now they're coming up 387 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 3: with this and it's more open and people can. 388 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 2: Find somebody that they can trust. 389 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: Actually, but they can sell it now with micro dos 390 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 3: And then there's all these studies and people are talking 391 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 3: about it and they're more open, and all these fears 392 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 3: from parents and church and even police officials and everything. 393 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 3: People are like, wait, this won't kill me. 394 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 2: You told them. 395 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 3: It's the same about marijuana and about mushrooms. 396 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: Alcohol. Back in the days. 397 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I want to try it, and people are 398 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 3: more open to try it. And I think the most 399 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: important factor is we're living in a time where there's 400 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 3: an epidemic of loneliness, of feeling empty, of emptiness. Even 401 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 3: though we're connected with the internet, with the pandemic that 402 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 3: happened and everything we are looking for meaning and religion 403 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: is not doing it. Because we know there's more. People 404 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 3: are opening their minds to what else is there, and 405 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: psychedelics is exactly the thing that you need to get there. 406 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 3: So people are more open to I want to discover 407 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 3: myself from the inside and then discover the world and 408 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 3: religion and everything else. So I think that's really important. 409 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 3: It's given us a chance to actually connect with ourselves. 410 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: Once we do that, we connect with nature, we connect 411 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 3: with everybody else and eventually, and that's the point of psychedelics, 412 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 3: is the freedom of ego and connecting yourself to the 413 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 3: wholeness of the universe, seeing yourself as a part of 414 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 3: everything but also as an individual. It sounds conterintuitive, but 415 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 3: once you figure that out, once your brain can actually 416 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: see that, you have no idea how much freedom it 417 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 3: brings and how much empathy and love it can give 418 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: you towards everything else. 419 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely, oh my gosh, absolutely like it. Just I don't 420 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: even know how to explain it, but I think you 421 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: explained it absolutely perfectly. You feel like I am a 422 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: part of something so much bigger outside of this world 423 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: and you find that it and I can't. I could 424 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: sit here and try to explain it, but until you 425 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: figure it out and feel it yourself, you'll understand what 426 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: I'm saying right now. The it that it. You're part 427 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: of something magical. It's amazing. And that's why I'm telling you, guys, 428 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: I'm so passionate about this, and I just feel that 429 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: this is something that they who's they no say it, 430 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: but there's they that want They want to keep this 431 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: from us because you use a different side of your brain. 432 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: It heals your brain. I feel, it heals your soul 433 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: and you're happier and you're just more creative, and they 434 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: want to suppress us. That's just they None. Let's go 435 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: Cain sa P. 436 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 3: Yes, but you should totally talk about the conspiracy because 437 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 3: it's true. It was the CIA that actually made LSD. 438 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 3: You know, they gave it to everybody. Need to see 439 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 3: what would happen? See they could control people. They thought 440 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 3: this is the drug with mk ultra, which was the 441 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 3: thing that happened. They said, this is a drug where 442 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 3: we can control people, and it turned out to be 443 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 3: the complete opposite. 444 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: It would free people. So now you. 445 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 3: Can't control them because they're like, oh, you need to 446 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 3: worry about your job and eight to five and blah blah. 447 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 3: And people who are opened and connected with the universe 448 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 3: will be like, no, and I don't want to fight 449 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 3: another human being. 450 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 2: Why wouldn't hate other people? 451 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: Right? 452 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: And stop war? You know. Yeah, that's what happened with 453 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 2: the hippies. 454 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 3: Everybody was high on LSD, smoking weed and eating mushrooms 455 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 3: and they were like, why are we fighting each other? 456 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 2: Let's just have sex and love each other and work together. Right. 457 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 3: So the government was like, oh, whoops, don't take it back, 458 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 3: take it back. We need to make this illegal, the 459 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 3: Definity ament because there's no overdoses that you don't get violent, 460 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 3: and it's still it's scheduled as like you know, it's 461 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 3: on grade on par with like cocaine and heroin, and 462 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 3: once you see what else does or bush rooms, you're like, 463 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 3: why is this something that you should fear? And that 464 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 3: the government is all right about and yeah, that's the conspiracy, 465 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 3: and I do believe that that's a big part of it. 466 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: Okay. See, look, I think have like take some some 467 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: mushrooms together, ye like, or they're gonna I don't know. 468 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I have a social responsibility, but I 469 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: also feel like you just said, I thought, why are 470 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: we not sharing this with the world. Why you know, 471 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: I've been giving it to my grandma, right, and Desa 472 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: is pastillas to help her with that, like prescribe medication, 473 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: and I told her about this gitom tom las and 474 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: she is like so much better now instead of taking 475 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: two of her pills, the prescribed pills, she's taking one. 476 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: And then now she's facing it out like little by 477 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: little she's weaning off of it. So I'm just like, 478 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: I want to share with the world. We need to 479 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: know about this, and I'm hoping that it becomes legal, 480 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,479 Speaker 1: and I think we're not too far from it personally, 481 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: Like mushrooms, what do you think. 482 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 3: There's a state I don't remember which one that just 483 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 3: made it legal. I don't know if it was Colorado 484 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 3: or but they made mushrooms. 485 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: Legal now okay, so ivah, Yeah. 486 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 2: Just like with the weed. 487 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: But I think we need to educate people, not just 488 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 3: the ones that are gonna take it, but the ones 489 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 3: that are still against it, because they're still living in 490 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 3: this the nineteen eighties with their program and run o' 491 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 3: reagan and his war against drugs and all this stupid 492 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 3: stuff and the satanic panic. So we still have a 493 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 3: lot of people that are against it because they don't 494 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 3: know what's going on. They think it's as bad as 495 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 3: heroin or as bad as fentanil. 496 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 2: And this is a plant. 497 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 3: This is something that probably gave us cognition or more 498 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 3: like the cognition that we know of today. 499 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 2: So we shouldn't be afraid of it. 500 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 3: We should be studying it and using it to better 501 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 3: other people in our minds and just the love we 502 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 3: have for each other. 503 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: Yes, and heal again. Like jos Antonio just said, we 504 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: have to instead of being afraid of something, read on it. Research. 505 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: Knowledge is powered you guys, and Mielo o Sah. Watch 506 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: if you guys are more of like watching things, watch 507 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: there's so many, so many documentaries on Netflix now on YouTube, 508 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: you guys, just to educate yourself exactly. 509 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: And I don't know if you knew, but we come 510 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 3: from the same branch as mushrooms. 511 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know that. 512 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 3: Humans so way way back back, back back when life 513 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 3: was starting, one branch turned into mushrooms, and from that 514 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 3: branch started animals and mammals and a lot of us. 515 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 2: We're even connected. We're connected in that way. 516 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 3: And the biggest living entity in our planet is a 517 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 3: mushroom in the United States. It's it's antomatic. It helps 518 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 3: trees talk to each other and it communicates, and it's alive. 519 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: So much we can learn from. 520 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: Them, so much can set us. But there is much something, 521 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: so much more powerful than us, you guys. And it's 522 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: in our plants and in our trees, and it's even 523 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: in us of course, and and the mushrooms are just 524 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: I don't know there. There's just so much. Now. I'm like, 525 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: I believe in magic. Absolutely, That's what we have talked 526 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: about last I'm like, yes, I believe in magic, guys. 527 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: It freaking it's there, trust me. 528 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: You know you can see it. 529 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: I can see it now, I swear. It's like I 530 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: don't care, yeah, but I mean it's like I see 531 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: okay yoag like you know, my music and everything. It's 532 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: still a lot of things are still very taboo, and 533 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: I get criticized a lot for talking about certain things 534 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: and talking about this, and it's like you're ruining our youth. 535 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: But I'm like, if you only knew, this is actually 536 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: going to help our future, the future generations. And it's 537 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: when Molos, I feel like forma, we need to share it. 538 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: I need to have people like you that are super 539 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: knowledgeable and know about these things. And you're so open 540 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: minded Likeanta, Like I feel like you're just nit that 541 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: like a beautiful, beautiful mind, and I swear to you, 542 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. We need to sit down and chill. 543 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: I'll go over you, get you put the rooms in 544 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 3: the cattle pot, and we just talk and have a 545 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 3: great psychic experience. Yes, something I love to do is 546 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 3: I'll take some rooms and then I'll go to the 547 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 3: l Vivero to the plant store and I'll look at 548 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 3: the plants. 549 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 2: I'll buy a lot of plants. I'll come back home, I'll. 550 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 3: Tend to my garden La ciembro Yes Tolundia and in 551 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:33,719 Speaker 3: contacta migos plat cando philosophy, and you get into all 552 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 3: these things and you just appreciate just a day more 553 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 3: than you'll ever appreciate any other day. 554 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I completely agree. Oh my gosh, it's what your 555 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: third season. 556 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's gonna take a whole new approach. 557 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 3: You know. In the first one it was me talking 558 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 3: about esoteric stuff and wekas chaos magic, and then the 559 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 3: second one was me talking to people that know about 560 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 3: this stuff. I actually have an episode about bushrooms. I 561 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: talk to an expert about psilocybins in the second season, 562 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 3: and the third one is going to be more about 563 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 3: analyzing since we wake up like from my microcosm, like 564 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 3: I wake up, what's waking up? 565 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: What's dreaming? Why do we need to dream? 566 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 3: And then I'll talk to an expert about that. Then 567 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 3: my house, what's my house? How does owning property work? 568 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: Right? 569 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 3: And I'll talk to an expert, So going about my 570 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 3: life from the smallest micro things to the macro like 571 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 3: the universe where are we standing on? So that's going 572 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 3: to be like the new emphasis on scol SECRETA season three. 573 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: Mean, you guys listen to it. So if I'm and 574 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: if you want to share, please actually please share your 575 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: social media with everyone. 576 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find me anywhere as El Badiablu and 577 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 3: well just listen to Legenda's legendarias and Squila. 578 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: Secreta perfect All right, well, thank you so much. And 579 00:28:54,640 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: you guys, I have a quote Ya Samin, and the 580 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: quote is the body is a self healing organism, so 581 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: it's really about clearing things out of the way so 582 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: the body can heal itself. So I thought it was 583 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: perfect for what we've been talking about. So you guys 584 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: just reiterating, we are not professionals, so we just yes, 585 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: I we're not doctors here. You guys, talk to your doctors. 586 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: Don't stop taking your medication. And you think that mushrooms 587 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: is gonna like, no, go talk to your doctors, do 588 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: your research and if you want to try it, then 589 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: that's on you. I'm just sharing my experience. Chose. Thank 590 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: you so much. 591 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 2: Itep with a. 592 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: Soon because I want to go. I want to go 593 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: visit you or you come here and no say, but 594 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: we got a chill. 595 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 2: For sure, see GeSe, it's gonna happen. And thank you 596 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: so much. Ye pray, thank you. 597 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: Los Guierto. Do you need advice on love, relationships, health emails? 598 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to share with you that my Cheeky's 599 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: and Chill podcast will have an extra episode drop each week. 600 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: I'll be answering all your questions. Just leave me a 601 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: voice message first time Monday. 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