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Speaker 1: Cool media.

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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 2: of the week that just happened is here in one

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Speaker 2: convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to

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Speaker 2: listen to in a long stretch if you want. If

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Speaker 2: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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Speaker 2: you can make your own decisions.

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Speaker 3: Welcome it could happen here. A podcast that is in

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Speaker 3: many cases about organizing. I AnGR host MEA Wong and

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Speaker 3: with me is one of the most experienced organizers I know,

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Speaker 3: Margaret Kiljoy.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, hi, I'm a little out of practice, but

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Speaker 4: I have done it a lot.

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Speaker 3: You know, Margaret says this and also has been doing

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Speaker 3: shit for like one bazillion years. This is and I

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Speaker 3: will say this, the sign of you that you are

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Speaker 3: running into a good organizer is when you talk to

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Speaker 3: them about their organizing and they immediately start downplaying it.

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Speaker 3: That's when you know you haven't captured a good organizer.

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Speaker 3: If they started immediately going, I'm the best fucking organizer

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Speaker 3: in the world. Run like hell, this is an asshole

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Speaker 3: who sucks. Somebody's like, ah, like I did this a

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Speaker 3: million years ago, I'm not good at it. Yeah it

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Speaker 3: did matter, blah blah blah blah. Very good organizer, thank you. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I remember once I went to a thing wait that

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Speaker 4: kind of turfy people who are coming through and we

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Speaker 4: didn't totally know that right away, and their their pitch

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Speaker 4: about why they were such a good experienced organizers, as

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Speaker 4: one of them was like, and this person has been

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Speaker 4: organizing for more than three years, and it was just like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: every person you are giving this talk to has done

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Speaker 4: this for at least three times as.

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Speaker 3: Long as that.

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Speaker 4: And don't get me wrong, if you're listening and you've

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Speaker 4: been organizing for three years, you've learned a lot.

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to tell you you're a bad organizer.

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Speaker 4: You might be a better organizer and someone's been doing

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Speaker 4: it longer, but don't use that as your selling point.

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Speaker 3: Oh anyway, that's very funny. Yeah, So okay, this episode,

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Speaker 3: we are asking you a very very important question. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you want to change something about the world. I don't

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Speaker 3: know what that thing is that is up that is

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Speaker 3: for you to determine the question that you need to

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Speaker 3: be asking is are you organizing because you want to

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Speaker 3: feel cool? Or are you organizing because you want whatever

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Speaker 3: you're doing to fucking work? And if you want you're

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Speaker 3: organizing to work, literally no matter what it is, you

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Speaker 3: actually need to listen to this episode and you need

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Speaker 3: to have some rudimental knowledge of the thing we are

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Speaker 3: about to talk about, because if you do not, your

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Speaker 3: organizing will fail. If you cannot do this, the thing

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk about in this episode, if you

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Speaker 3: cannot do this, everything else you know, all of your experience,

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Speaker 3: all of your knowledge, all of your passion, all of

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Speaker 3: it is fucking useless because the actual work of organizing

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Speaker 3: is incredibly unglamorous. It is un sexy, a lot of

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Speaker 3: it is very time consuming, a lot of it is

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Speaker 3: not cool. It is you sitting there and talking to

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Speaker 3: a bunch of people. Yeah, And if you want your

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Speaker 3: this kind of like groundwork, logistical work, because if you don't,

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Speaker 3: it won't work. So what we are going to teach

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Speaker 3: you the very very very very basics of in this

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Speaker 3: episode is a social technology that has been developed over

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Speaker 3: the course of literal centuries of movements. Right, this is

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Speaker 3: something that has been passed down and refined, like through

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Speaker 3: generations and generations of organizers. I mean, I could do

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Speaker 3: a genealogy of this. A lot of the modern stuff

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Speaker 3: sort of came through the Quakers, moved through the civil

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Speaker 3: rights movements, moved through the anti war movements, moved through

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Speaker 3: like in Vietnam, moved to a whole bunch of other movements.

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Speaker 3: Like to be passed out to you today, this is

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Speaker 3: a complicated social technology. It does not sound complicated. If

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Speaker 4: I really like this way of phrasing it, that it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's one of these things where you know

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Speaker 3: to fucking run a meeting, complete disaster there. Organizing didn't work. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: you have to be able to do this, And it

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Speaker 3: doesn't really matter. You know, we're not gonna get that

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Speaker 3: and like, you know, like and I think that like

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Speaker 3: a structure. There's so many different structures you can use.

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Speaker 3: going to explain some to me. But like there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of different ways to do this, and the important way,

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Speaker 3: Like there are ways that I think are better or worse, right,

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Speaker 3: which is the whole secret of all organizing. Like that

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Speaker 3: is what organizing is is you actually have to say,

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Speaker 3: not only do I want something to get done, but

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Speaker 3: and like that kind of undergirting thing of figuring out

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Speaker 3: that's the part of organizing that as you're saying, it's

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Speaker 3: like nothing works without it, because it is like half

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Speaker 3: it so like, you know, I have a little bit

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Speaker 3: of respect to that. But also you need to have

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a when you sit around with your

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Speaker 4: actually named someone. Yeah you know, I mean somewhere, there's

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Speaker 3: Somewhere, but shout outs to someone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, if you're listening to someone, congratulations you're a

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Speaker 3: But like my friend, don't ask their name was don't ask.

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Speaker 4: It's great anyway, whatever, but but someone needs to get

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Also shout out also to everyone who has been in

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Speaker 4: I try really hard, but anyway, whatever.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, okay, okay. So this largely is going to

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Speaker 3: be like how to run a meeting? What a one.

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Speaker 3: We're going to start at like zero zero zero, which

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Speaker 3: people use churches sometimes like queer centers, union halls, parks.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not trying to say you're bad for having

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Speaker 3: which is this has jumping the gun a little bit,

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Speaker 3: but I need to put in here. Do not use

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Speaker 3: Robert rules of Order. One of the things you will

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Speaker 3: of Orders, which is this old, like incredibly elaborate set

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Speaker 3: of parliamentary procedures. Do not use them. They suck. And

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Speaker 3: this gets into before we can even talk about what

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Speaker 3: really really do not want your meetings to get bogged

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Speaker 3: parliamentary procedure. And this is a problem for any meeting

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Speaker 4: you can learn about yourself by going into these meetings

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Speaker 4: and learning about your own habits and what you've been

437
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Speaker 4: and culturated to do. And it shouldn't be about shaming

438
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Speaker 4: people around this as long as people are able to

439
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Speaker 4: like kind of get called in and listen to it.

440
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Speaker 4: And one of the things that I think when you

441
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Speaker 4: teach the meeting, at the beginning of the meeting, you

442
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Speaker 4: also explain some of this social stuff and you say, like,

443
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Speaker 4: you know, we believe in a step up step back thing.

444
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Speaker 4: If you're someone who generally feels comfortable talking in large groups,

445
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Speaker 4: you to step back a little bit. And if you're

446
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Speaker 4: not someone who generally feels comfortable expressing your opinion in groups,

447
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Speaker 4: we invite you to step up. Do you know what

448
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Speaker 4: also needs to learn to step up? Is I actually

449
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Speaker 4: think we don't get enough advertising in our lives. I

450
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Speaker 4: think that the people who are afraid to take up

451
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Speaker 4: space are the people who pay a lot of money

452
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Speaker 4: block All right, babe, isn't consensus, here's ads.

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Speaker 3: We are back. I think this is also you know,

454
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Speaker 3: as we've talked about sort of in some way in

455
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Speaker 3: a lot of ways, like how important the role the

456
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Speaker 3: facilitator is. This is a role you need to rotate

457
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Speaker 3: because that is a role. It's like those are skills

458
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Speaker 3: that everyone needs. Like if everyone knows did you just

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Speaker 3: do the I did?

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Speaker 4: I did I don't know whether people still do it

461
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Speaker 4: metal hands versus twinkle fingers.

462
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Speaker 3: Sorry, okay, this is completely unfortunately podcasting is an audio medium.

463
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Speaker 3: So all of you just missed me losing my mind

464
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Speaker 3: because Margaret, Margaret did one of my hand signs for agreement.

465
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Speaker 3: It's like, shit, God damn it.

466
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Speaker 4: Okay, we're talking about meetings that just came naturally.

467
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Speaker 3: Well, we'll get the hand signes later, but like you know,

468
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Speaker 3: you actually do you all of these things should be

469
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Speaker 3: road hitting, and you should be teaching everyone to be

470
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Speaker 3: able to do all of the facilitation roles because a okay,

471
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Speaker 3: there's there's lots of reasons for this, right one. Facilitation

472
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Speaker 3: in particular can be kind of dangerous because there's a

473
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Speaker 3: real risk of someone who is facilitating deciding that they

474
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Speaker 3: are the leader and they're going to steer how everything

475
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Speaker 3: goes and there and they're going to make their decisions.

476
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Speaker 3: And by rotating that around, it becomes a lot easier

477
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Speaker 3: to not have that happen. Yeah, and also doing a

478
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Speaker 3: role makes you a more active participant in the meeting.

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Speaker 3: A lot of times it depends on the role obviously,

480
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Speaker 3: but like it's a way to get people to keep

481
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Speaker 3: everyone in gain the thing. That's a good point. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: This is I stole this from my friend, who is

483
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Speaker 3: going to remain nameless. But if you're out there, I

484
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Speaker 3: love you. Your friend's name is nameless, I understand. Yeah,

485
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Speaker 3: friend's name is the nameless child.

486
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Speaker 4: To somewhere there's someone whose name is the whole lost

487
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Speaker 4: kid and anyway whatever, anyway, okay.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah. But the other thing about it, right is

489
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Speaker 3: the more everyone knows about these skills, the more effective

490
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Speaker 3: of a participant, and the more effective you can be

491
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Speaker 3: making decisions in the meeting like that, the more everyone

492
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Speaker 3: understands how the process works and knows how to do

493
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Speaker 3: it and knows how to because like being in a

494
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Speaker 3: meeting and being in community with other people and making

495
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Speaker 3: decisions together is a skill and we don't have it.

496
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Speaker 3: There's this great David Graeber, the anthropologist David Graeber, who

497
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Speaker 3: actually spent a lot of time like writing about these

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Speaker 3: meetings in a way that doesn't usually happen, as like

499
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Speaker 3: as as an anthropologist. Yeah yeah, as an anthropologist, right,

500
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Speaker 3: because he was both both an activist and an anthropologist.

501
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Speaker 3: And he has this great line where he says, American

502
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Speaker 3: they are great at communism and terrible at democracy, which

503
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Speaker 3: is that they're really really good at like doing things

504
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Speaker 3: each according to their need and from each according through ability.

505
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Speaker 3: Like if you try to organize a barbecue, everyone can

506
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Speaker 3: do the things to do the barbecue, but no one

507
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Speaker 3: knows how to make decisions together, because that's a skill.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And the more you're rotating through all the roles and

510
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Speaker 3: the more you understand how everything works, the more you understand,

511
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Speaker 3: you know, how to do the facilitation stuff of like

512
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Speaker 3: getting everyone to figure out what the thing that they

513
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Speaker 3: want is and how to express that and how to

514
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Speaker 3: like how to work together. The more you understand that

515
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Speaker 3: as like a person who's not facilitating, the more you

516
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Speaker 3: can understand like how to actually do democracy. Yeah, and

517
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Speaker 3: it rules.

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Speaker 4: And it's also the fact that like if you are

519
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Speaker 4: indispensable to your group, you've actually failed your group. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: especially when you're talking about stuff like activism, that has

521
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Speaker 4: a certain risk. If you are the only medic in

522
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Speaker 4: your affinity group, that is a problem because if you

523
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Speaker 4: get arrested, now there's no medic. If you're the only

524
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Speaker 4: facilitator who is a very skilled facilitator. Happens when you're

525
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Speaker 4: sick or in jail, and you all have a very

526
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Speaker 4: intense meeting that you have to do, and you need

527
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Speaker 4: a skilled facilitator. Not that everyone needs to be equal

528
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Speaker 4: in all skills within in a given group, but you

529
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Speaker 4: you need to learn to If you are very good

530
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Speaker 4: at something, your job is to make someone else very

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Speaker 4: good at it too.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing both for meetings in the way it

533
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Speaker 3: was explained to me, and this is a more kind

534
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Speaker 3: of I don't know what term beat us for, but

535
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Speaker 3: it was taught to me as your job is to

536
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Speaker 3: organize yourself out of a job. Yeah, totally. Okay, So

537
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Speaker 3: we're going to move on to the second roll, which

538
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Speaker 3: is the stack taker. So okay, the stack this when

539
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Speaker 3: I first started talking about this as a social technology,

540
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Speaker 3: the thing I specifically met was the stack, and then

541
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Speaker 3: eventually I was like, no, it's actually the whole process is.

542
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Speaker 3: But the stack very very simple invention, but if you

543
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Speaker 3: don't have it, it's a disaster. The stack, as we

544
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Speaker 3: said before, is just literally a list of names of

545
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Speaker 3: who's going to talk in what order. Someone raises their hand,

546
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Speaker 3: they could add to the stack.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 3: That is very simple. It is also absolutely crucial to

549
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Speaker 3: making sure a meeting runs at all. Most groups tend

550
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Speaker 3: to use some variation of what's called a progressive stack,

551
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Speaker 3: where you know, this is part of we were talking

552
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Speaker 3: about earlier, like step forward and step back, But when

553
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Speaker 3: you're compiling a stack, you want to have the people

554
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Speaker 3: who speak less in front. And this works sort of

555
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Speaker 3: in two ways, right. One is it's okay, so if

556
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Speaker 3: there's someone who's not like a cis white dude and

557
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Speaker 3: who was trying to say something, you probably want them

558
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Speaker 3: to say something because they are less likely to be

559
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Speaker 3: the one who says something, yeah, just because of the

560
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Speaker 3: way that sort of whiteness is structure, because of the

561
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Speaker 3: way that like masculinity structure, because of the way that

562
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Speaker 3: these things work. So you want to give opportunities to

563
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Speaker 3: speak to people who like don't usually get heard. And

564
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Speaker 3: then also if someone just like hasn't been talking in

565
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Speaker 3: a meeting and they want to say something, and that's

566
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Speaker 3: also a part of the sort of facilitation. And sometimes

567
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Speaker 3: I know this is the thing that like a role

568
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Speaker 3: I've seen passed out between a bunch of different roles,

569
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Speaker 3: and I guess everyone kind of has a responsibility to

570
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Speaker 3: do this. But if there's someone in a meeting who

571
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Speaker 3: has not been saying anything. It's generally a good idea

572
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Speaker 3: to be like, hey are you okay? And also like

573
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: more important lead to some extent than there are you okay?

574
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Speaker 3: Of like what do you think about this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, although I do think that there's a little bit

576
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Speaker 4: of a like some people don't want to specifically be

577
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Speaker 4: called on in that way. Yeah, and so that's kind

578
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Speaker 4: of a like learning to read the room skill definitely

579
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Speaker 4: about when you want to encourage people to step up

580
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Speaker 4: versus other people are like no, I don't have anything

581
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Speaker 4: particular to say, and I don't want to get you know,

582
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Speaker 4: singled out. I think that in smaller meetings sometimes the

583
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Speaker 4: facilitator can keep stack. Larger meetings, that's a terrible plan.

584
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's large meetings you need to you can't.

585
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been both to be doing it, Yeah, because

586
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 4: you need someone keeping track of who's raising their hands

587
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Speaker 4: when and things like that. Sometimes you're actually even writing

588
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Speaker 4: the stack on a whiteboard so people can see.

589
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you've like a piece of paper. Yeah.

590
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Speaker 4: I have been in meetings that sort of self facilitate

591
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Speaker 4: fairly effectively in smaller groups, where a thing that people

592
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Speaker 4: can do is if they have a thing they want

593
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Speaker 4: to say, they hold up one finger and they keep

594
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Speaker 4: that finger up, and if someone else is something that

595
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 4: they want to say, they put up two fingers, and

596
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Speaker 4: then if someone else is something they want to say,

597
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 4: they put up three fingers. And so you can have

598
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Speaker 4: this method by which people track their own stack. But

599
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Speaker 4: this is a small group thing. This is not a

600
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Speaker 4: and this is a people who know each other and

601
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Speaker 4: know how to do the balancing that we're talking about

602
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Speaker 4: about making sure everyone gets heard.

603
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think part of this also it's important

604
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Speaker 3: to remember, is like this is like one oh one,

605
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Speaker 3: oh yeah sorry, as an advanced skill kind of And

606
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Speaker 3: I'm introducing some things that are probably more advanced than

607
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Speaker 3: one on one, like like like they're like, okay, figuring

608
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Speaker 3: out why someone is uncomfortable talking on a like this

609
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 3: person wants to talk, doesn't feel comfortable to and if

610
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: you ask them, they will say something. And this person

611
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: doesn't feel comfortable talking because they don't want to talk.

612
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Speaker 3: That's kind of a more advanced thing. Fair enough, I

613
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Speaker 3: guess we should talk about hand gestures here, which is

614
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Speaker 3: that Okay, over the course of these beings, one of

615
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Speaker 3: over the course of like movements one of the things

616
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Speaker 3: that is built up is hand gestured because they can

617
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Speaker 3: be a very effective way of, you know, someone expressing

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Speaker 3: something without having to talk over someone else. This is

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Speaker 3: I don't know, this is the one on one I'm

620
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Speaker 3: not going to teach hand gestures because everyone has different ones,

621
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Speaker 3: and there are some that are pretty universal. But like

622
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Speaker 3: the number of different gestures I've seen for like direct

623
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Speaker 3: response and ship like it is the thing that like,

624
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: like hand gestures can work and can be really Yeah,

625
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Speaker 3: you're doing one of the head you're doing one of

626
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Speaker 3: the make a triangle in your hands. Fuck, I forgot

627
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Speaker 3: about point a process. Oh no, well there's all of

628
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 3: this very very complicated stuff. It's not that complicated, but

629
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Speaker 3: like like point up process sucks like that, she's actually complicated.

630
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Speaker 4: I'm actually derailing again. I'm so sorry. This is an example.

631
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Speaker 4: If there was a facilitator in this call, they would

632
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Speaker 4: be making me shut up.

633
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Speaker 6: That is what's happening.

634
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Speaker 3: Yeah no, but but but this is actually like this

635
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Speaker 3: this this is this is the one time I've ever

636
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: wished there was like videos you could see the hand

637
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: gestures because like the thing about this, right is, once

638
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Speaker 3: you are good at meetings and like if you have

639
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: people who do this and you talk about what the

640
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: handjesters are beforehand, that's also important. You can't even if

641
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: if you're very good at meetings and you're still listening

642
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: to this episode for some reason. I mean, I don't

643
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: know it's a good episode, but like, you can't assume

644
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: that everyone knows what your hand gestures are. Yeah, and

645
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: sometimes people have different hand gestures for different things. Sometimes

646
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Speaker 3: you have contextual hand gestures for like like there are

647
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Speaker 3: like okay, like you're if you are trying to meet

648
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Speaker 3: in the dark. Yeah, your your hand gestures don't work right.

649
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Speaker 3: This is also stolen from another friend, right, Like sometimes

650
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: you need to use snaps for that, because so that

651
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Speaker 3: you can hear, right, Like what all of us is

652
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Speaker 3: to say that like the stuff with hand gestures, it

653
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Speaker 3: can make your meetings a lot more effective. This is

654
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Speaker 3: the thing you can do if everyone in the group

655
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Speaker 3: understands how they work. I'm not gonna be like teaching

656
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Speaker 3: you sets of hand gestures here because I can't guarantee

657
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 3: that any gesture I teach you will be the one

658
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: that people use. Can I can?

659
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Speaker 4: I though, like speed run the concepts of some of them,

660
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 4: because I think they are useful to understand. Yeah, yeah,

661
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 4: because it's hard to imagine when you amagine meetings. I

662
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 4: think about this a lot because I write meetings into fiction,

663
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,479
Speaker 4: which is a very hard thing to do and make

664
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 4: them entertaining, because they're also hard to be entertained and

665
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 4: by when you're in them, unless they're contentious. But there

666
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 4: are certain things that you learn derail meetings, and there

667
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 4: are ways in which by using hand gestures you can

668
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 4: avoid having more people speak, And the single most important

669
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 4: and common one is a way of saying I agree,

670
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 4: and so that way people when they really want to

671
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 4: say something but they're not on stack and they get

672
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 4: really frustrated, they can do that hand gesture, which you

673
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 4: know is very easy to make fun of. You know,

674
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 4: when I was coming up, it was twinkle fingers, where

675
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 4: you waggle your fingers, and then we were like punk,

676
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 4: so we did metal fingers instead, which was literally the

677
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 4: same thing but reverse kind of like the look that

678
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 4: you do when you really like music, and it's actually

679
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 4: sort of like mimicking playing a guitar. And so that's

680
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 4: a very important concept. And sometimes people use snaps, although

681
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 4: sometimes people prefer not audio and other people prefer audio.

682
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's likely and that's a that's possure.

683
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: While I was talking about like like that's that's dependent

684
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 3: on who's in the room and what the room is

685
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: and like.

686
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 4: But I think that a a I agree without needing

687
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 4: to say anything is essential.

688
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.

689
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 4: Other ones to just know of is that there are

690
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 4: things like people will say like please move this along.

691
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 3: It's a way of saying, hey.

692
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 4: Facilitator, please shut this person up usually, or can we

693
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 4: talk about something else. There's ones that are direct response,

694
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 4: which is saying I would like to jump stack because

695
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 4: this person has just insulted the honor of my family

696
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 4: or whatever, and it's like it's up to the facilitator

697
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 4: to decide whether to do these. Another one is point

698
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 4: of process, which is saying like, hey, I actually don't

699
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 4: want to talk about the thing we're talking about. I

700
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 4: want to talk about how the meeting is going. Meetings

701
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 4: get real meta and it's real frustrating anyway, So it's

702
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 4: worth knowing that that this is part of the technology.

703
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 4: It seems cringey from the outside, but like, are other options.

704
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 4: I mean, there are other technologies about decision making that

705
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 4: people have developed. But like, actually, I mean democratic lives

706
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 4: in which we all have a say in our decisions

707
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 4: sometimes means that we go to meetings and uh, and

708
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 4: we can actually kind of learn to I'm talking shit

709
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 4: on meetings, but that's meetings are also a ways to

710
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 4: get to know your friends and express yourself and get

711
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 4: things done.

712
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, as much as I've been talking about

713
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: being boring, like, I've had things that were technically organizing

714
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: meetings that were like some of the most transformational experiences

715
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: in my life totally because me and a bunch of

716
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: people who you know, a bunch of people really close

717
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: to me, like came together and we figured out how

718
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: to do something, and there is a beauty there that

719
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: is and this is personal to why it's hard to

720
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 3: talk about these things, right because like the technical process

721
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: of it, like the technical description of what we're saying,

722
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: is at the same time being used to do something

723
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: that can only be described in stead of poetic terms. Yeah, Like,

724
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: the the actual experience of like you and a bunch

725
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: of other people coming together to do something and figure

726
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: out how to do it and fucking doing it is

727
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: it is a transit active creation. Yeah, And these are

728
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: like you know, yeah, like it doesn't like the fucking

729
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: hammers and shovels and like fucking slide rules that you

730
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 3: use to construct something don't look very pretty. And then

731
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: at the end of it, you've built something together and

732
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 3: it's beautiful.

733
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

734
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: No, it's it's the other side of the coin of

735
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: the first time you watch the police run away from you.

736
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 4: It is a way of coming together with other people

737
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: to accomplish something and make something powerful. Is meetings, and

738
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: it is also it's interesting because we talk about how

739
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 4: men will often take up too much space in meetings.

740
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 4: This is not a universal thing anytime we say this

741
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 4: kind of thing, but it is actually often feminized labor

742
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 4: because it's this invisibilized labor that happens behind the scenes

743
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 4: that is not as sexy, right, and is about just

744
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 4: actually hearing people out. It is like conflict resolution speed run. Anyway,

745
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 4: I accidentally went off on the meta of meetings also.

746
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 3: But no, it's good. Well, and I think there's a

747
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 3: new important thing here too, because like we're talking about

748
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: the politics of like meetings themselves, right of like the

749
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 3: the you know, the actual political angle of what it

750
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: means to have a democracy, where what democracy means you

751
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 3: make decisions together. Yeah, and this is something there's there's

752
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: also a very important actual procedural meeting note here, which

753
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: is that one of the things you will learn over

754
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: the course of doing meetings is that a lot of

755
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: times people wage battles over the content of political ideology

756
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 3: in the form of fighting over how a meeting works. Yeah, totally.

757
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 3: And you can see this everywhere from like your fucking

758
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: local organizing meeting and people yelling about who's on stack

759
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 3: or whatever, all the way up to like, you know,

760
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: when like when like the Democrats are saying that, like

761
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: like in Congress that like the parliament the budget parliamentarian

762
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: won't let them like raise the minimum wage. That's what

763
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: they're doing. They're using an argument over procedure to like

764
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 3: disguise the fact that what they're really arguing about is,

765
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: like it is an actual political argument.

766
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

767
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, but this is also a thing where like the

768
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: way you structure a meeting is political. It doesn't seem

769
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: like it, right, but you can have a meeting where,

770
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: you know, it's like the fucking plentipotentiary meeting of like

771
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 3: the executive committee of I don't know, the People's Congress,

772
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: the Chinese companies, party or whatever. Those are not the

773
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: right words. I'm on five hours of sleep. But you

774
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 3: can have a meeting where it's just like, yeah, the

775
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 3: way the meeting works is one guy stands out there

776
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: and he gives a speech and he tells everyone what

777
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: to say and then everyone votes.

778
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 5: Yes.

779
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way you can do a meeting, right,

780
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: And that's political and it fucking sucks. And we're trying

781
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 3: to teach you how to do a meeting where, you know,

782
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 3: we do democracy, where everyone comes together and we like

783
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: do a thing. Yeah, and we will get to more

784
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: roles next week. This was originally planned to be one episode.

785
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: It is not one episode. It is now two episodes.

786
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 3: But the upside is that we solved a bunch of

787
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: the fundamental logistical problems about how to build a free society.

788
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 3: So stay tuned for that, stay tuned for more roles

789
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: you want in your meetings. And yes, they could happen here.

790
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: And thank you Mark for coming on the show. Welcome

791
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: to it could happen here a podcast about organizing. I

792
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: am your host, Mia Long And in a moment we

793
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: will be continuing our episode about how to run a meeting,

794
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 3: which is one of the fundamental tools of building democracy

795
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: and free societies. Here we go, okay, so other roles.

796
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 3: So we talked about that. That was a long digression

797
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: about the concept of a stack taker, which is at

798
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 3: a very simple level. You write the names down, you

799
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 3: call the names in order. Yep. Yeah, we're gonna move

800
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 3: on to some of the other ones. Those are like

801
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: the two I don't know if most important is the

802
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: right word. Funnily enough, stack takers not the one I

803
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: thought that digression was going to happen on that was.

804
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 3: I thought that was gonna be the last one we're

805
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: gonna get to. But oh no taker, Oh no, no, no, no, no, no,

806
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 3: no, no no, this is vibes checker.

807
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 4: Oh shit, the vibes checker is okay, okay, okay, please continue.

808
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: Okay, let's do timekeeper. Timekeeper extremely important person. You want

809
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 3: someone with like a watch or something, and the timekeeper's

810
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: job is to give people reminders of like how much

811
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 3: time things are taking. So you know a thing you

812
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: can do is like, okay, so we know we have

813
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: this much time allocated for something, right, so we have

814
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: twenty minutes to talk about this, okay, So like ten

815
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 3: minutes and you go, we have ten minutes left, we

816
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: have five minutes left, we have like fifteen minutes left. Yeah,

817
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: this is really important. And at the end of it,

818
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: the timekeeper's job is to go like, hey, this is

819
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: our allotted time. Do we want to keep talking about

820
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: this and use more time or do we want to

821
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: move on? Yeah, And that's a really important role. It's

822
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: also kind of why you want to generally have like

823
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 3: an idea of how long you want to talk about

824
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: something in the agenda. It's also worth noting that like

825
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: this is all guidelines, right, Like these are role.

826
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 4: MIA's guidelines of order. Is that what you're calling this?

827
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 3: Oh god, no, we'll take it. We'll take you.

828
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 5: What more?

829
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: Digression digression, which is that the anarchy symbol, the A

830
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,959
Speaker 3: with the circle around it is from a per dawned

831
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: phrase that's the circle is actually an o because the

832
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: original thing was anarchy. The original saying is anarchy is

833
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: the mother of order. Yeah, and that's that's where that

834
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: comes from. So I was gonna make it like me

835
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: a's MEA's like procedure disorder whatever joke, but it's like no, no, no,

836
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: this is actually like anarchy is order. Baby.

837
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 4: I believe in an organized society. I just believe in

838
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 4: an organically organized society. That is from the to use

839
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 4: the Zapatista phrase from the bottom and the left.

840
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: Yep, okay, So that that's timekeeper the note taker. Sometimes

841
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: you need to decide whether you want notes of your meeting. Yeah,

842
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: it depends on how crime you are. Yeah. I hear

843
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: this all the time from people making jokes about the

844
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: scene for the Wire that I've never seen the wire,

845
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: but everone's making jokes as the scene for the Wire

846
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: where guy goes, are you taking notes of the criminal continency?

847
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: So okay, are are you going to have a note taker?

848
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,959
Speaker 3: And then secondly, like, okay, the note taker takes notes

849
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: on what's being talked about. I actually this is also

850
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: mea going into a little bit more advance stuff. I

851
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: actually like the practice of kind of rotating this throughout

852
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 3: the meeting because the problem with being the note taker.

853
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: So if you're the timekeeper, right, you can be involved

854
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 3: in the conversation. Stack taker is also hard to but

855
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: the thing about the note taker, and you know, if

856
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: you get good enough at this, you can rotate all

857
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 3: of these roles during the meeting so that everyone has

858
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: a chance to participate, so you don't just have a

859
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 3: group of people who perpetually can't be in a meeting.

860
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: And so note taker is a thing that you can

861
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 3: pretty easily just like pass to someone else and be like, hey,

862
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 3: you're not the note taker. So the person who's being

863
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: the note taker can like say.

864
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 4: Things yeah, although okay, So there's two weird funny things

865
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 4: about this one. Sometimes people who tend not to want

866
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 4: to talk much in a meeting but also maybe have

867
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Speaker 4: an attention span where they would prefer to be doing

868
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 4: something at all times prefer to be notea yeah. But famously,

869
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 4: the International Workingman's Association or whatever, the the First International

870
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 4: was an organization of a lot of different stripes of leftists.

871
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 4: And someone went to someone's friend's apartment. This anarchists went

872
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 4: to this anarchist friends apartment and was like, Hey, I

873
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 4: want to invite my friend to this meeting. And this

874
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 4: guy answers the door and his name's Carl Marx, and

875
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 4: he's like, oh, well, did so and so's not here,

876
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 4: and he's like, all right, well you can come too.

877
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 4: So an anarchist invites Marx to the International. I don't

878
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 4: have my notes in front of me, don't at me.

879
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 4: But then Marx goes and he becomes the note taker,

880
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 4: and by means of that takes a minority position which

881
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 4: within the group and makes it the majority position by

882
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 4: controlling the way that a lot of the media and

883
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 4: expression and stuff around this was because Marx was a

884
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 4: good writer and for better or worse, I have my

885
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: opinion about whether it's for better or worse, And so

886
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: there's a power within note taker that it actually is

887
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 4: a reason to rotate this task.

888
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: Yeah. On the other hand, if you're like not worried.

889
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 4: About that, you can just have a person who's like,

890
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 4: I just really want to be the one who takes notes.

891
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 4: It really depends on everything's going to be contextual. I

892
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 4: just wanted to tell that story about Marx.

893
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: No, like this is this is the story of how

894
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 3: Marx became Marx by taking a note taking job and

895
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: then becoming the person who could wh would write the

896
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 3: declarations for the organization. Yeah, we should note like this

897
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: is also kind of how Stalent took power was by

898
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: being the person in the back of the room he

899
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: didn't say anything and keeping track of what everyone was

900
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: doing and saying, and you being able to manipulate like

901
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: the inner workings of these sort of parliamentary procedures that

902
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 3: the Bolsheviks reusing.

903
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 4: That's what the Robert not of the rules of order,

904
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 4: but of the behind the bassards was saying about, Oh,

905
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 4: the Cambodia man, the horrible de man and killed everyone.

906
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: Oh Paul Pott was that he he was the quiet

907
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 4: guy at the back.

908
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: Yep, same kind of guy can be extremely dangerous. The

909
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: guy who says everything all the time can be dangerous.

910
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: Quiet person also can be very dangerous and just never

911
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 3: trust anyone. That's the answer. Wait now, oh, hold on,

912
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 3: hopefully we're not producing pullpot in these meetings. Okay. So

913
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 3: the last like official role that I want to talk about,

914
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 3: and there's a lot, there's like a million other roles

915
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: that people use. I want to talk about the vibes checker.

916
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: So this is the one that's kind of not obvious

917
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: from like the name, but the vibe checker is someone

918
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: who actually has a really really important role. And your

919
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: role is to figure out like, is everyone in the

920
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: group okay, does this meeting feel okay?

921
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 5: Yeah?

922
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: And is just something we need to do about it?

923
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 3: And some of this is like okay, everyone is clearly

924
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 3: really tired, let's go get lunch. And that's like a

925
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 3: pretty easy sort of vibe checker thing. But then also

926
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: like I don't know, this is partially a facilitation job.

927
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, if someone says something racist in

928
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: a meeting and a bunch of people are uncomfortable, it's

929
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 3: like now you're suddenly glad you have the person whose

930
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: job it is to be like, hey, what the fuck like,

931
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: And that's also that's like obviously like that's a blatant

932
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: enough thing that everyone can be like hold on, hold on,

933
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: like don't like say a slur or whatever. But like,

934
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: you know, the vibe checker's job is if there's a

935
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: lot of people who are uncomfortable with something or if

936
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 3: something like they're kind of there, if something is going wrong,

937
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: or if people are checked out, or if like stuff's happening.

938
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 3: Sometimes this is behind the scene things. Sometimes this is

939
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: like explicit, like you make it, you bring it to

940
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: the group to be like, hey, this is okay, we

941
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: need to address this. Yeah kind of thing. I don't know.

942
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: It's a hard role to sort of like explain. It's fuzzy, yeah, I.

943
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 4: Mean, but it's it's in the name how are the

944
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 4: vibes And vibe is a fuzzy word, and you know

945
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 4: it's the word that people are going to interpret in

946
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 4: different ways.

947
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like I as a very sort of materialist,

948
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 3: godless atheist, I it's like, okay, this is how people

949
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: are feeling.

950
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 5: Right.

951
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 3: People also take this in sort of more new agy directions.

952
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 3: People take it in like but like you know, like

953
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: the important thing about this is right you can feel

954
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 3: in a meeting when it's really tense or when things

955
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: like just weird, everything feels off. Everyone is like kissed

956
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 3: off or tired or like just grossed out or like

957
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: you know, and that's this person's job. This is why

958
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 3: I'm putting it in here because it's it's one of

959
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: these roles that like I deally, I guess this person

960
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: doesn't do anything for a whole meeting, but they're just

961
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 3: they're sort of watching it. I mean, like it it

962
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: can't be good at the interviewing, but like it's especially

963
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: important if something is going wrong in ways the group

964
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: isn't addressing totally.

965
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 4: It is good to have someone who's ready to step

966
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 4: up and say, yeah, this is this is what's going on.

967
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: Can I make a pitch for another role. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

968
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 3: I don't have a name for this role.

969
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 4: The very first activist meeting I went to when the

970
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 4: world was young, during the ultra globalization movement. I went

971
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 4: into a meeting for New York City indie media and

972
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 4: I had no idea what was happening. But it was

973
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 4: a public, open meeting and I was a young activist

974
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 4: anarchist or whatever. And I went to this thing and

975
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 4: someone sat next to me, knew that I was new,

976
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 4: and sat next to me and explain what the fuck

977
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 4: was happening.

978
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: That's a good role.

979
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 4: And I don't know if I would have become an

980
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 4: activist if that person hadn't done that, because I went

981
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 4: in and it was the middle of a contentious meeting

982
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 4: about people talking about some stuff that was pretty important,

983
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 4: and I had no idea what was happening, and someone

984
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 4: explained it to me. I think it is very important

985
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 4: to have someone know who is new and help them

986
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 4: feel comfortable. You could call it like an usher if

987
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 4: I was going to have a word, But that's like,

988
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 4: because I'm really into this idea that our movements don't

989
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 4: need gatekeepers, we need ushers. We need people to help

990
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 4: people figure out find their seats and figure out how

991
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 4: to plug in onboarding. But then the other thing I

992
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 4: want to say is that with roles, the larger and

993
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 4: more formal a meeting, the more likely you need these

994
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 4: to be formalized roles. But I also think that these

995
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 4: as generalized skills can be dispersed through Like I think

996
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 4: that a lot of groups, especially if they're kind of

997
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 4: comfortable with each other, you maybe have a rotating facility.

998
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 4: You maybe have a stack taker, and you maybe are

999
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 4: like who's taking notes right now, But stuff like timekeeper

1000
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 4: and vibes check might be a thing that everyone feels

1001
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 4: empowered to do. I think that understanding these as roles

1002
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 4: is different than saying at the top of the meeting,

1003
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 4: this is the way it is done. You must assign

1004
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 4: these things. It is always contextual based on the meeting.

1005
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, the range inside of the meeting structure of like

1006
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 3: how formal and informal it is changes a lot. And

1007
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 3: that yeah, that like changes you know, that changes the roles,

1008
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: That changes how all of this stuff works totally. And

1009
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 3: that's one of the most important things about this is

1010
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 3: like being flexible, because the point of a meeting is

1011
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 3: not everyone followed the exact parliamentary procedures. The point of

1012
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 3: a meeting is we did the thing we came there

1013
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 3: to do, or sometimes we did we did a different thing, right,

1014
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 3: But it's like we all did something together and that

1015
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 3: thing happened, but we figured out how to make that

1016
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 3: thing happen. And that's the actual important part. The content

1017
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 3: the meeting is what's important. Not all of the structure

1018
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 3: is to enable the content. It's not the other way

1019
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 3: around it. Yeah, totally, right, totally and like yeah, I

1020
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: don't know, like if you have a timekeeper and someone

1021
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 3: does sen, they're doing time stuff too, right, Like that's

1022
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: a significantly better result.

1023
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 5: Then.

1024
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just kept talking, So.

1025
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 4: Okay, can I make one more pitch about the thing

1026
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 4: that's important at a meeting?

1027
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1028
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Food.

1029
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 4: I think that it's not always going to be appropriate

1030
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 4: in every specific situation, and there's a lot of things

1031
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 4: around dietary restrictions and all of these things, but making

1032
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 4: the meeting feel like a place that is worth going

1033
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 4: to and a thing that like I think food is

1034
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 4: basically like hosting and good hospitality and these sort of

1035
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 4: again invisibilized feminine labor things goes a really long way

1036
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 4: towards making everyone feel comfortable. It also helps people's attend

1037
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 4: spans and blood sugar, like whether every meeting's a pot

1038
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 4: luck or whether everyone just brings snacks, or whether it's

1039
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 4: at someone's house and they're like, fuck ya, I'm hosting.

1040
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 4: I'm going to make a bunch of food and you

1041
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 4: know whatever it is.

1042
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been theorizing this for a while that like

1043
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 3: we need because like obviously a lot of this technology

1044
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: has been worked out already, but also we have so

1045
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: much further to go in order to like be able

1046
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 3: to make decisions together in a free society, and like,

1047
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: I think we need to just have an initiative of

1048
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: like how do we make meetings fucking rip. One of

1049
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 3: my ideas has always been, like you have a meeting

1050
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 3: that's just like the standing barbecue meeting that happens like

1051
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 3: every like it's like the endless meeting, and it's like, okay,

1052
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 3: you have it at like yeah this time, and there's

1053
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 3: just like a barbecue and everyone does barbecue.

1054
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 4: Stuff and yeah, it's just a standing thing where if

1055
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 4: you want to come and like and then okay, just

1056
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 4: to keep talking about some of the stuff childcare, childcare,

1057
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 4: you think when you mentioned at the beginning being like

1058
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 4: making sure that the space is accessible to everyone. And

1059
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 4: there's a lot of stuff that gets forgotten about. In particular,

1060
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 4: I would say that single parents are often forgotten about,

1061
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 4: and I think that having or parents in general, or

1062
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 4: children in general are often forgotten about. And I think

1063
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 4: that having a plan in place for accessibility of all

1064
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 4: kinds of different people often includes childcare.

1065
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 3: I used to do this. Oh that's cool. Yeah, that's

1066
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: like one of the things that I did for some meetings,

1067
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 3: and like, yeah, there are like meetings that happened. They're

1068
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: like tens meetings that happened because like people stayed and

1069
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: played with everyone's kids. It was a good time.

1070
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 4: And yeah, there's also this idea where sometimes meetings people

1071
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 4: can come in and out of the society that I

1072
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 4: want to live in has neighborhood assemblies that then move

1073
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 4: up to larger structures and make decisions right. And in

1074
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 4: those there's also this thing where it's like you don't

1075
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: always have to go to meetings. Yeah, there's a thing

1076
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 4: that about democracy that people don't quite always get, which

1077
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 4: is that sometimes the most beautiful thing we can do

1078
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 4: for each other is give our agency freely to other

1079
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 4: people to make decisions for us that we trust. Working

1080
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 4: groups are actually a good, big part of this where

1081
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't actually want to have a say

1082
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 4: in every single decision that affects me. I want to

1083
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 4: be able to have a say in every single decision

1084
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 4: that affects me. Anyway, I'm again going kind of meta

1085
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 4: on this.

1086
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 3: Sorry, no, no, both this is important, right, you know.

1087
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 3: And also, like doing the childcare was part of that,

1088
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: because like, yeah, it meant like, you know, I was

1089
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 3: kind of I was like trusting my people in the

1090
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 3: group to like do the meeting without me while I

1091
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: was just sort of like taking care of like just

1092
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 3: taking care of kids. And that was a really beautiful

1093
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: thing and it worked really well. It fucking ripped.

1094
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can build multi generational movements, which are

1095
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 4: the only movements that accomplish That's not true.

1096
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 3: Sudden movements also accomplish things.

1097
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 4: But when I look at some of the real high

1098
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 4: water marks from the bottom and the left organizing around

1099
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 4: the world, you're talking about people who are drawn from

1100
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 4: hundreds of years of radical legacies, or at least a

1101
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 4: couple of generations.

1102
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of generations, I don't know, I don't have

1103
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: a good pivot into this. But okay, so we've been

1104
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 3: talking a lot of about a lot of the technology

1105
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 3: that's been used for meetings. I want to talk about

1106
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: a couple of other kinds of meetings that you can have.

1107
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 3: When I originally was writing this, I was like, Oh,

1108
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 3: I could fit this whole, this whole section of how

1109
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 3: to run a meeting. This will be like, this will

1110
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 3: be like twenty minutes, and I can have twenty minutes

1111
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 3: about like the spokes councils, of twenty minutes about general assemblies.

1112
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 3: And we're not like an hour. We're not This is

1113
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 3: like this episode in market On and we have not

1114
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 3: even started talking. So okay, that's going to be another

1115
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 3: The general assembly episode is going to be another episode

1116
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: completely in and of itself. But I do want to

1117
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 3: talk about spokes councils because this is the thing that

1118
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 3: I've been finding really really useful that I think people

1119
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 3: just don't know about anymore. And because people have lost

1120
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 3: the knowledge of this, a really valuable organizational tactic has

1121
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 3: been lost. So okay, the thing that a meeting is

1122
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: there to do is so a group of people can

1123
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 3: come together and make decisions. But how do you make

1124
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 3: decisions between groups or and this is also often more

1125
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 3: important less than having like because you know a lot

1126
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 3: of spokes countles are usually supposed to be like we're

1127
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 3: all making like we're all sort of like this is

1128
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: like a binding decision handed down by like spokes council. Right,

1129
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 3: this is also a really useful coordinating tool. Yeah, and

1130
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 3: this is what it's you know, what it's like actually

1131
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 3: designed for is how do you get groups to sort

1132
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 3: of talk to each other and work with each other

1133
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: in a way that also lets them continue to be

1134
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 3: like their own groups and not you know, a sort

1135
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 3: of like subservient to the larger coalition.

1136
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1137
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, the answer to this turns out

1138
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 3: as a technology that was developed. Actually don't know the

1139
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 3: history of the spokest council. I mean it's been around

1140
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 3: for like a long time. I don't either, like at

1141
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: least like thirty forty years in anarchist circles, but it

1142
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 3: has really made it out of them. And so spokes

1143
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 3: council is a meeting of groups, and so it's it's

1144
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: it's a meeting of spokespeople.

1145
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 5: Right.

1146
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: So your group sends like one or two people to

1147
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: a thing. You send like a couple of people and

1148
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: all of the other groups send some people and you

1149
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: come talk about a thing. Yeah, And this is really

1150
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 3: useful for a number of reasons. One, it's a way

1151
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: for different kinds of groups to interface with each other

1152
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 3: in ways that they usually don't. So this can be

1153
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 3: anything from like an affinity group to like an NGO

1154
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 3: to like a union. Ye, it can scale between different

1155
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 3: kinds of things. It can theoretically you can do this

1156
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 3: with like you you're like fucking spokes council could theoretically

1157
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 3: send a person to another spokes council totally right, And

1158
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 3: this is you know, we'll get more to this a second, right,

1159
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 3: but like, like, like, this is a way for a

1160
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 3: bunch of different types of organizations to come together and

1161
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 3: do something. And it's a way for them to coordinate

1162
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 3: with each other. It's way for other share information. It's

1163
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 3: a way for them to and this is like one

1164
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 3: of the sort of secrets of organizing is that, like

1165
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 3: actual organizing is built through personal relationships with people knowing

1166
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: each other. And so this is a way for like

1167
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 3: people to like meet each other and get to do things.

1168
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: There are different kinds of these. A traditional one is like, Okay,

1169
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 3: there's like a thing happening right, Like, there is a

1170
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 3: there is a giant protest, and like a bunch of

1171
00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: people who are going to be a bunch of the

1172
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 3: different groups and organizations in diffinity groups and whatever we're

1173
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 3: going to be at this thing come together and they're like, Okay,

1174
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 3: how what are we doing? How are we going to

1175
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 3: sort of do this and how do we coordinate this

1176
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 3: with each other?

1177
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1178
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 3: And yeah, Mark, I assume you've been in like a

1179
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 3: million of these.

1180
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 5: You know.

1181
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 4: I have been in a lot of spokes Council meetings.

1182
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 4: I've been in a fewer of them, and I think

1183
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 4: you're right, there's been a bit of a drop off.

1184
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny.

1185
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 4: When we were talking earlier, I was like, oh, I

1186
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 4: haven't done this in a while. I actually do go

1187
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 4: to meetings every week, but I like, but I used

1188
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 4: to go to meetings specifically for direct action protests, and

1189
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 4: that is a thing that I used to have more

1190
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 4: direct experience with. Yeah, and so I don't want to

1191
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 4: be like all people stop doing it because I don't

1192
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 4: totally know because I'm not totally plugged in. But I

1193
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 4: do think the alder globalization movement of like nineteen ninety

1194
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 4: nine to two thousand and three or so, is where

1195
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 4: a lot of modern protest tactics and stuff were developed,

1196
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 4: or rather it came to a head. The tactics have

1197
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 4: been developed for decades by various different groups. Yeah, and

1198
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 4: actually a lot of the technologies around spokes, councils and stuff,

1199
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 4: they come from a lot of different sources, including I

1200
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 4: think anarchists and the Spanish Civil War, but I'm not

1201
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 4: one hundred percent certain about that. But a lot of

1202
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 4: the alter globalization movement stuff comes from the zappoutisas in Chiapas.

1203
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 3: I know you didn't ask for history lesson and I'll

1204
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 3: speed run it. No, no, no, no, this is good though.

1205
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 4: You know, the folks in Chiapas and the Zapatisas have

1206
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 4: developed a lot of different ideas about how to have

1207
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 4: bottom up democracy, and they've been moving through different ones.

1208
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 4: They actually moved to a more decentralized model than they

1209
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 4: were doing about two years ago, in twenty twenty three.

1210
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 4: But they went around the world and built organizations by

1211
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 4: saying everyone, send your people, We're getting together, the People's

1212
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 4: Global Alliance like all of these like you know, Global South,

1213
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 4: and were putting in air quotes. Here we're getting together

1214
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 4: and we're building direct action movements together, and that is

1215
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 4: where the ault globalization movement comes from, at least as

1216
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 4: much as anything else. And some of that is that

1217
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 4: technology of saying, send your representatives and do this thing.

1218
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 4: But it's interesting because in some ways it's actually just

1219
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 4: an upside down version of parliamentary democracy, right, where theoretically

1220
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 4: we elect a politician and they go speak for us.

1221
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 3: They don't.

1222
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 4: That is the concept behind a democracy, right, And so

1223
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 4: theoretically you can send a delegate, and there's two ways

1224
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 4: of doing it. There's a decision making larger body and

1225
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 4: there's a coordinating larger body. And if you want to

1226
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 4: maintain every group's autonomy, it is a coordinating body. You

1227
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 4: get together and at the spokes council you say, the

1228
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 4: ten people I represent who will remain nameless, are all

1229
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 4: willing to get arrested tomorrow, and we're all willing to

1230
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 4: lock ourselves down. And someone else will say, we don't

1231
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 4: want to get arrested. The fourteen people that I'm representing

1232
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 4: kind of want to break shit. And then other people

1233
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 4: will be like, the fifteen people that I represent kind

1234
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 4: of wish you all wouldn't break shit, and you can

1235
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 4: get together and coordinate, and then the breakshit people can

1236
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 4: be like, oh, okay, well we'll make sure we break

1237
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 4: shit somewhere else than where you are and all of

1238
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 4: this stuff. And whereas a decision making body would get

1239
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 4: together and your spoke would have a mandate from your group,

1240
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 4: they would be empowered to make decisions for everyone, knowing

1241
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 4: that the decision has to be within a certain framework.

1242
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 4: And then basically when they're done, you'd be like, Okay,

1243
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 4: you did or didn't succeed at your mandate. We're going

1244
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 4: to send someone else next time, or whatever. So there's

1245
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 4: two different ways of doing spokes council meetings. I think

1246
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 4: one of the reasons that they fell out of favor

1247
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 4: is that by and large, open organizing of direct action

1248
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 4: has diminished in the movement because it may or may

1249
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 4: not be legal to show up somewhere and say, well,

1250
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 4: the fifteen people I represent want to break shit, or

1251
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 4: even the fifteen people that I represent want to lock

1252
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 4: ourselves down into big puppets with lock boxes right and

1253
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 4: disrupt global trade. Because of the ramping up of repression,

1254
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 4: people have backed off of certain types of open organizing Yeah,

1255
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 4: I have opinions about that, but that's kind.

1256
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 3: Of I'm actually not trying to tell anyone what to

1257
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 3: do about it.

1258
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 4: But so I think that that's part of why the

1259
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 4: spokes Council has a little bit demas and I actually

1260
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 4: think that we just need to adapt the spokes Council

1261
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 4: to the modern context. And I'm sure people do still

1262
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 4: do them.

1263
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: So this is where we're getting this is this is

1264
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 3: what I'm calling them via technology, which is there have

1265
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 3: been spokes councils recently that are not like that are

1266
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: not this, that are using the idea of the spokes

1267
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 3: Council but are kind of a different thing. Okay, because

1268
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 3: there's another thing that you can do with this organizational form,

1269
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 3: right of everyone sends their delegates together or whatever, like

1270
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 3: everyone sends their like spokespeople and everyone meets each other.

1271
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: You can also do this for like not planning a

1272
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 3: direct action. Yeah, totally. And you can do this as

1273
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 3: a way to get all of the different organizations and

1274
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 3: like affinity groups and shit in a city talking to

1275
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 3: each other. Yeah, and this turns out to be extremely useful.

1276
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1277
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 3: I've seen this a lot recently in sort of trans organizing,

1278
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 3: where like all the trans different groups of the city

1279
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 3: will be like, fuck it, we're showing up to a thing. Yeah,

1280
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 3: this is a different thing that we will be talking

1281
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 3: hopefully to some people who run this soon. This was

1282
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 3: originally supposedly part of this episode before I realized that

1283
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 3: it was impossible to fit this into this episode, which

1284
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 3: is had two episodes. But there's a really really cool

1285
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 3: thing in Portland that was called the Trans General Assembly,

1286
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,959
Speaker 3: where they people were just like fuck it, were running

1287
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 3: a general assembly for like all of the trans people come.

1288
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 3: You can say things and everyone meets at the end,

1289
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 3: and that was awesome. But you can do this on

1290
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 3: a very very on a targeted level with like Okay,

1291
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: I know a bunch of different orgs that like, for example, okay,

1292
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 3: we need we need to coordinate a response to like

1293
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 3: the situation of trans people in the US. Yeah, So

1294
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 3: you can go through all of your networks. You can

1295
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 3: be like, okay, I know this person who is in

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Speaker 3: this org that does this thing right, and you can

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Speaker 3: bring all of those resources together and then you can

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Speaker 3: turn that into a spokes council. That's not quite the

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Speaker 3: same thing exactly as as the kind of like direct

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Speaker 3: actions spokes constles that have been organized.

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Speaker 4: Right, it is closer to a general assembly maybe, but

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Speaker 4: maybe that's a pedantic difference or semantic difference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of is, but it's well, so okay.

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Speaker 3: The way I've been conceiving of it is like, if

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Speaker 3: you're specifically getting people together who are there as organizations,

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Speaker 3: it's a spokes council. Yeah, totally. If they're there as themselves,

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Speaker 3: it's a general assembly. Oh that makes sense, even even

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Speaker 3: if they are sort of like representing a thing. But

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Speaker 3: like yeah, like like the scopes and who shows up

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Speaker 3: to them were very different, I think. Oh, and there's

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Speaker 3: also fishballs. Well, what's a fishball? Actually, I've heard this

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Speaker 3: one before.

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Speaker 4: A fish bull is a spokes council where everyone can

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Speaker 4: come and only the spoke can speak. Hm, so you

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Speaker 4: can look in on the fish Oh that's what that's called.

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Speaker 4: Interesting Okay, Yeah, anyway, which is a way to do it.

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Speaker 4: It maintains transparency. It's a way to have a still

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Speaker 4: open meeting, but only but if only one person from

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Speaker 4: the group has empowered to speak, then it's not a

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Speaker 4: nightmare of trying to have six thousand people in a

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Speaker 4: room talk.

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Speaker 3: The basic beating technology all these things can be used

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Speaker 3: for a whole bunch of different things in a whole

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Speaker 3: bunch of different ways that like we haven't thought of yet.

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Speaker 4: You could arrange trash pick up in a neighborhood. You

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Speaker 4: can make the government obsolete with meetings and spokes councils

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Speaker 4: and general assemblies and federations and all of these levels

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Speaker 4: of bottom up organizing. And there are places in the

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Speaker 4: world where people have done this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know, if we want to close on

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Speaker 3: sort of like this is the political angle of this, right,

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Speaker 3: Like a free society is one that is structured like this,

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Speaker 3: where a bunch of where things happen by people coming

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Speaker 3: together to do them. Yeah. Right, And you can take

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Speaker 3: the sort of like I don't know, I guess you'd

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Speaker 3: call it the workerri'st angle of like I don't know,

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Speaker 3: we need to run a waste treatment plant, yeah right.

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Speaker 3: So the way the race treatment plant is run is

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Speaker 3: that the people who do waste treatment have their own

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Speaker 3: like workers counselor or whatever, and they decide how they're

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Speaker 3: going to do it and they go do it. Right.

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Speaker 4: Almost every I would say, every real revolution and revolution

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Speaker 4: utionary movement in history is doing a version of this.

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Speaker 4: You can even look at the Soviet concept. The Soviet

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Speaker 4: was the decision making body, it was the assembly and

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Speaker 4: all power to the Soviets with this slogan that literally

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Speaker 4: was inverted by the Bolsheviks, where the entire idea was

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Speaker 4: a democratic but revolutionary movement. And this happens constantly even

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Speaker 4: when societies break down on some level naturally and a

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Speaker 4: ton not all, a ton of indigenous societies, this is

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Speaker 4: the default model. And so you know in Chiapas with

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Speaker 4: the Zapatistas, what happened was is that you had this

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Speaker 4: like Marxist Leninist army and they were like, oh, we're

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Speaker 4: going to do this thing this way, and the indigenous

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Speaker 4: people who lived in Chapas were like, that's not how

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Speaker 4: we do things.

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Speaker 3: And they're like, this is how we do things.

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Speaker 4: And then those Appatistas, who are good people, were like,

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Speaker 4: you're right, that's how we do things, you know, and

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Speaker 4: they like built up this model. And you have a

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Speaker 4: similar thing happening with the area called Rojeva in north

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Speaker 4: east Syria, where like basically people were like, actually, the

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Speaker 4: indigenous Kurdish model of doing things is much more this

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Speaker 4: egalitarian method and democratic method.

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Speaker 3: And then okay.

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Speaker 4: And the other thing is you can do it in

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Speaker 4: the workers's model, but there's also people who've messed around

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Speaker 4: with it and done things like you know what, maybe

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Speaker 4: the school isn't run by the teachers. Maybe the school

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Speaker 4: is run by the teachers, the parents and the students,

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Speaker 4: you know. And maybe the food distribution center is a

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Speaker 4: combination of the workers of the food distribution center and

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Speaker 4: the people who make use of it. So maybe the

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Speaker 4: trash pickup is both the workers and the people who

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Speaker 4: need the services. But the specifics almost they do matter,

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Speaker 4: and we can but we don't know. We don't know

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Speaker 4: the actual formulation. But this is the core of bottom

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Speaker 4: left organizing and it is a beautiful thing. And it

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Speaker 4: is funny how it all comes down to meetings and

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Speaker 4: making sure that there's food and childcare and not one

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Speaker 4: person taking up all the time, which is really hard

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Speaker 4: when you podcast for a living.

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Speaker 3: I will tell you that. Yeah, but this is like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I have had to learn to shut the

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Speaker 3: fuck up in meetings. Yeah, me to, but doing it

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01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 3: has made meetings better. It's great. You can learn to

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01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 3: shut the fuck up. Someone else says the thing and

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01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 3: you don't have to say yeah. But then also, I

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01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 3: do want to put this out right, the things that

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Speaker 3: we're describing here, Right, it's okay, like how do you

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01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 3: do to beat or you need food, you need child care,

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01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 3: you need structure that make sure one person isn't running

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Speaker 3: the thing. This is the entire political situation of the

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Speaker 3: modern United States, right. We are trying to get food,

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Speaker 3: we are trying to get childcare, we are trying to

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Speaker 3: have a place to do our thing, and we're trying

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Speaker 3: to have to not be ruled by like a fucking king. Totally. Again,

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Speaker 3: this all seems like very very basic, like shit, right,

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Speaker 3: But if you don't have this, and this is a

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Speaker 3: problem that the US has constantly, your protest movements, it's

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01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 3: like most Americans don't have a democratic tradition, right, and

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01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 3: so when shit happens and there's suddenly riots and they're

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01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 3: suddenly like mass protest movements break out, Right, people don't

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01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 3: know how to make democratic decisions, so they don't, right,

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01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 3: and that means that nobody's talking to each other. That

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01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 3: means that everyone is locked in these very small circles

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01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 3: of extremely violent paranoia. That sucks. And we can avoid

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01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 3: that by knowing how to do democracy. Because that's fundamentally

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Speaker 3: what running and meeting is. This is what democracy looks like. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And I also want to say one more thing. This

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Speaker 3: is a podcast and would that would probably could I

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01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 3: could have used the facilitator, especially on my end right now,

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01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 3: because unmedicated mia is a fucking trip. But like you know,

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Speaker 3: when we talk about sort of are how do you

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Speaker 3: apply this to your sort of broad vision of society?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: And it's like, okay, anarchists, how do you run USAID?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: Because like, yeah, like the destructure of USAID is going

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Speaker 3: to kill an unbelievable number of people because people are

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Speaker 3: getting HIV vaccines right right. And the way you run

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Speaker 3: that is the way that you run a meeting.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 3: The workers who produce ye to act, who are the

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Speaker 3: people who actually figure out how to make an HIV vaccine,

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Speaker 3: distribute it, distribute information about it. Those people form fucking

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Speaker 3: form fucking councils, and they form fucking meeting groups. They

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Speaker 3: and they work in collaboration with the people who need them,

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01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 3: and that is how you build a society, right. It's

1430
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 3: like David Gabor's thing was was like the ultimate hidden

1431
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 3: truth of this world is that it is something we

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01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 3: make and we could just as easily make differently. And

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Speaker 3: when he says something we make, he was talking about

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Speaker 3: in a more abstract sense, but like we do literally

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01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 3: make it. Like all of this stuff is the product

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01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 3: of stuff that we did, right, Like we all physically

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01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 3: built every aspect of this world, right, everything, Everything that

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01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 3: you see and touch and hear right now are things

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01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 3: that we designed and engineered and built. And we don't

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01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 3: lose the capacity when we cease to be ruled. We

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01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 3: can still do that. And as long as we have

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Speaker 3: the ability to do democracy right and we have the

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01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 3: ability to make decisions with each other, we can fucking

1444
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 3: do those things. And we can do them for each

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Speaker 3: other and not for a king.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like people ask, how would you make a

1447
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 4: distributed insulin in anarchist society or an anti capitalist society

1448
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 4: or a bottom up society, And you're like, well, we

1449
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 4: know how to make and distribute insulin, and we just

1450
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 4: need to change some of the social technologies that are

1451
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 4: doing it. And I think we could probably do it

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01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 4: better because it's currently not working great, you know. And

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Speaker 4: my other like go to quote I love the graver

1454
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 4: quote is the Derudi quote anarchist general in Spanish of war.

1455
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 4: Probably didn't actually say this. It was probably a journalist

1456
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 4: put these words in his mouth, but we're not actually certain.

1457
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 4: And he says like the boot I'm paraphrasing the BOUCHOAISI

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01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 4: can blast and ruin the world on their way out

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01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 4: of history. That's fine. Yeah, we the workers built all

1460
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 4: of these cities. We can build, we know how to

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01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 4: do that.

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Speaker 3: The part of that always stuck with me is like,

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Speaker 3: I think the exact quote that I got was we

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Speaker 3: are not in the least afraid of ruins.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Ever, the ones who built this world and we'll do

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01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 3: it again. Yeah and yeah. So I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know these these episodes are gonna be called.

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Speaker 4: But if they're called, the answer as meetings comma, Sorry,

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know who is good end to be

1472
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 3: the provisional title right now is the most important organizing skill?

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01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 3: You don't know, because unfortunately we do need people to

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01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 3: click on this and they won't. If it's a meaning

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Speaker 3: things as.

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Speaker 4: Well, then that's the monster at the end of the book,

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01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 4: is that, Uh, it's meetings all the way down.

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01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Margaret, thanks for thanks for talking with me about

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01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 3: the actual fundamental building blocks and tools of democratic life.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, thanks for having me and thanks for talking about

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01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 3: this stuff. Yeah, and this has been It can happen here.

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01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 3: You can go out in your community and you can

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01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 3: do these things. You can force pos councils, you can

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01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 3: form assemblies, you can go work with the people around

1486
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 3: you to do things, and you can use structures to

1487
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 3: do it, and you can change the world. The secret

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01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 3: is to really begin.

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, ah, welcome back to It could happen here.

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Speaker 2: A podcast that is normally about the terrors, but today

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01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 2: today we're talking about I mean, technically still the terrors,

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01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 2: but we're talking about a more fun part of the terrors.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about the liver King. Thank God, Thank God.

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01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 6: Gods and kings, two things we famously appreciate on this podcast.

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01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: With me today is James Stout and Meil Wong. What

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01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 2: do y'all know about the liver King? I thought you

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01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 2: were gonna give us cool titles.

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01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 6: Just if we could just go back and you could

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01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 6: each give us some kind of some kind of nobility

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Speaker 6: and of food stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, James, you are the tea leaf salad that

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01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 2: made you really say that one time.

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Speaker 3: King's true.

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Speaker 6: I think that Tea leave settle room me Atina.

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01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good to him.

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01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 6: It made me subject.

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01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 3: And I you know, you and I haven'ty and a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of meals together. We need to do more of that, right,

1509
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 2: we need to do more of that. You're the You're

1510
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 2: the I have not eaten many meals with me yet,

1511
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 2: but hopefully will Queen. Incredible, incredible, incredible. Now, the Liver

1512
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 2: King is the King of liver, as you're all, I'm

1513
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 2: certain well aware, and I did.

1514
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 3: We did a bastards.

1515
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: This was a live episode I did a couple of

1516
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 2: years ago with doctor cave Hoda. And in case you're

1517
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 2: not aware, the Liver King is a guy who like

1518
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 2: three two or three years ago started to get really

1519
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 2: famous very suddenly and obtained millions of followers I think

1520
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 2: up to like six at one point on Instagram.

1521
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 3: By getting super jacked.

1522
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 2: He was this huge, shredded guy, or he's not he's

1523
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 2: not actually very tall, but he was shredded and he

1524
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 2: would He was always perpetually shirtless, usually wearing very little

1525
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 2: and talking about his different primal rules how mainly you

1526
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 2: need to eat nothing but liver and testicles, often raw,

1527
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 2: and that's all you need to do in order to

1528
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 2: get huge. That and then you can just lift hundreds

1529
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 2: and hundreds of pounds and you'll get swollen and gigantic.

1530
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 2: Totally natty because we're just we're supposed to eat like

1531
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 2: primal cavemen who only ate testicles and livers. Enough the

1532
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 2: rest now accepting the how none of this is accurate.

1533
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 2: It came out very soon after that because the liver King,

1534
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 2: prior to becoming the liver King, had been a series

1535
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 2: of petty grifters of lower nobility and had written an

1536
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 2: email to a guy who was like an expert on

1537
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: performance enhancing drugs, asking like what kind of regiment he

1538
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 2: could take in order to get the size that he

1539
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 2: eventually became. Anyway, it came out that he's been spending

1540
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 2: like thirteen thousand dollars a month on steroids like that.

1541
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 2: That's how he got huge. It's not the testicles, it's

1542
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 2: not the livers. It's not these absurd videos of him

1543
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 2: eating different organ meats or making his kids eat different

1544
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: organ meats. It's not his his weird workout tactics. It's

1545
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 2: the fact that he's taking thirteen thousand dollars worth of

1546
01:12:59,080 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 2: gear a month.

1547
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 3: Right now.

1548
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 2: One of the first people to call him out before

1549
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 2: this came out was Joe Rogan who saw the And

1550
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 2: you know, I'll give Joe Rogan credit for one thing.

1551
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 3: He knows when someone's on steroids. Yeah, So Joe.

1552
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 2: Rogan had called him out initially, being like, there's no

1553
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 2: way this guy's natural, right, Like, he's taking fucking steroids.

1554
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 2: It's very obvious now, to be fair, everyone knew that

1555
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,839
Speaker 2: because it's very like, I don't.

1556
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 3: Know shit about steroids. And I looked at that guy,

1557
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 3: like his belly button pushes out.

1558
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 6: Yes, isn't like Robert's not talking about an AUTI no, No,

1559
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 6: I'm talking about it's.

1560
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 3: A Gulf bowl. So it's protrusion, like the Organs are

1561
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 3: trying to escape. This man is so clearly eighty percent

1562
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 3: steroids volume. That is the highest volume of steroids to

1563
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 3: body mass that has ever existent.

1564
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nuts stuff. So he lost a shitload of

1565
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 2: his followers and he's still got like three million on Instagram,

1566
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 2: but his videos, he's lucky to get a couple of

1567
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 2: thousand like likes and share these days on an Instagram video.

1568
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 2: And you know, before that all came out, he was

1569
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 2: doing much more he had to do Ama Kolpa. He

1570
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 2: claims he's all natty now and he has just over

1571
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, just continually degraded.

1572
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:11,640
Speaker 3: Right now.

1573
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 2: This guy's business, which he made millions doing, or one

1574
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 2: of his businesses was selling different supplements. He's very expensive supplements.

1575
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 2: And he's built kind of a little cult at his

1576
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 2: compound in Texas around you know, listening to fucking dance

1577
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: music from the mid aunts a lot of like Mike

1578
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 2: Posnor remixes and weird shit rands about being a caveman

1579
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: and like pulling trapped your equipment and shit. He likes

1580
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: to always walk around with fucking a with a plate

1581
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 2: carrier on which he calls his exoskeleton in order to like,

1582
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 2: you know, build up muscle.

1583
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 3: Mass or whatever. And anyway, he's he's continually.

1584
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 2: Degenerated to the point where those of us who call

1585
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 2: ourselves liver king watchers have all kind of been saying

1586
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 2: for a while now, Oh, he's not just on gear anymore,

1587
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 2: like he's doing he's he he's doing other drugs and

1588
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 2: they have had they are really having a negative effect

1589
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 2: on his mental health. Yeah, he doesn't seem well, He

1590
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 2: does not seem well, so I'm gonna put a video

1591
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 2: play video on. This is a video that started at all.

1592
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 2: He started a couple of weeks ago, increasingly threatening Joe Rogan.

1593
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 2: And he doesn't live that far away from Austin. He

1594
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 2: started posting a series of videos trying to threaten Joe

1595
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 2: Rogan to a fight, and I'm gonna I'm gonna post

1596
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 2: to you the one. This is kind of like the

1597
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 2: key video that gets this series of events started. It's

1598
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 2: the video that is the inciting incident video for everything

1599
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 2: that's happening now, right, So that's that's what I'm gonna

1600
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 2: play for you guys. You see the Instagram. Okay, So

1601
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,560
Speaker 2: in this video, listeners, you're gonna hear him talk. In

1602
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 2: this video, he's got again like music playing in the background.

1603
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 2: He's wearing a badly taxidermide wolfhead that's like a cap

1604
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 2: over his icular head.

1605
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 5: It's like.

1606
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 3: He's shirtless.

1607
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 2: He's wearing shorts and as one user noted in the comments,

1608
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 2: his pants are vibrating as he talks and he is

1609
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 2: carrying in each hand. He has a gold plated AR

1610
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,560
Speaker 2: fifteen shirt barreled rifle with a fucking.

1611
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 3: Blast for yes, in my entire life. I have never

1612
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 3: seen a man look less intimidating well, holding a gun,

1613
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 3: wearing a wolf pelt. Two guns, Man, two guns, the

1614
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 3: second gun. Two guns. Yeah, holy ship, you blunder buds.

1615
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 2: Those are two gold plated AR fifteen SBRs.

1616
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 6: With a gold eotech on talking in case he hadn't

1617
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 6: spent enough money.

1618
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I think a gold wood on the other.

1619
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm gonna listen to this man, Joe Rogan,

1620
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 2: I'm calling you out.

1621
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 5: My name is Leberty Man to man, I'm picking a

1622
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 5: fight with you. Yeah, I have still training. If you

1623
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 5: just to your black belt, you should just man tell me.

1624
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 5: But I'm picking a fight with you. Fund rule. Whatever

1625
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 5: you want me to wait, I'll wait. I'll wait one night,

1626
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 5: this morning, I'll wait. I'm you whenever you're ready, whenever

1627
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 5: you're ready to go at my brains.

1628
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 2: And then he get starts dancing, So I'm on a

1629
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 2: vibration blate. By the way, that's a healthy man. That's

1630
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 2: a guy who's doing well. Right, we can all agree.

1631
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 6: It's a literally buzzy.

1632
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 3: I saw a video one time where someone was reacting

1633
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 3: to a Drake video and his response was those are

1634
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 3: the least intimidating goons I've ever seen in my entire life.

1635
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 3: And that is the entire vibe of watching him trying

1636
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 3: to like brain a place. It's something else, it's it's

1637
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 3: it is special. Uh, it is special.

1638
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 2: And if you couldn't quite make out the audio over whatever,

1639
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 2: the fuck that music was what he says, and that

1640
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 2: is Joe Rogan. I'm calling you out. My name's Liver King,

1641
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 2: man the man. I'm picking a fight with you. I

1642
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 2: have no training in jiu jitsu. You're a black belt.

1643
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 2: You should just dismantle me. But I'm picking a fight

1644
01:17:59,680 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 2: with you.

1645
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 3: Your rules. I'll come to you whenever you're ready.

1646
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 6: Holding the AARs does give that a slightly slightly more

1647
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 6: terroristic threatn vibe?

1648
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 3: Right, why are the ars?

1649
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 2: Because he goes on to say at another post, you

1650
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 2: never come across something like this willing to die, hoping

1651
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 2: that you'll choke me out, because that's a dream come true,

1652
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 2: which makes it sound.

1653
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 3: Like a sex thing. Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes

1654
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 3: it sound like a sex thing.

1655
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1656
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 6: He closed out Pride months so.

1657
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 2: This video comes out and then Liver King starts making

1658
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:34,719
Speaker 2: a series of videos in Austin, Right, he drives to Austin.

1659
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 2: He's making videos on the way. He makes videos when

1660
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 2: he gets there, and he keeps saying he wants to

1661
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 2: fight Joe Rogan. Now he's just saying he wants to

1662
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 2: fight him.

1663
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 3: Right, He's not.

1664
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 2: Saying I'm going to kill you. He's not saying like

1665
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 2: I'm going to assault you. He's like he's asking for

1666
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 2: a consensual fight. But he's also posing with weapons, and

1667
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 2: he has now traveled to Austin and he's clearly unwell.

1668
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 2: So Joe Rogan has a security team. He's got a

1669
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 2: bunch of like former operators and shit that he pays

1670
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 2: to watch over his security and whatnot and sometimes go

1671
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 2: on his podcast if I'm not mistaken, And they do

1672
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 2: their job, which is, oh, there's a guy threatening our boss,

1673
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 2: holding guns and photos and he's traveled to Austin.

1674
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 3: We'll probably call the cops, which probably do something about this.

1675
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 3: So they give.

1676
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 2: A call to the police and they're like, hey, we

1677
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,799
Speaker 2: consider this to be like numerous threats, right, he's traveled

1678
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 2: to Austin, Like this seems like a guy who might

1679
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 2: actually act seriously on his threats.

1680
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 3: We're concerned about this.

1681
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 2: So the police wind up talking to Joe Rogan himself,

1682
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,919
Speaker 2: and Rogan says, yeah, I was, you know, my security

1683
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 2: team told me about this. I consider these to be threats, like,

1684
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 2: and I'm willing to file a police report.

1685
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 6: Right.

1686
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 2: He tells the police that Brian Johnson has a drug issue,

1687
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 2: which is, again it's weird to be like, yeah, Joe

1688
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 2: Rogan so far not wrong about an AFIS, And he's like,

1689
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 2: he's unstable, he probably needs help, which again probably accurate. Right,

1690
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think there's much to argue

1691
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 2: with here. So the police side these crossed the line

1692
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 2: into terroristic threats and they file charges. The Liver King

1693
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 2: is arrested. He's not in jail long. He's released within

1694
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 2: a day on twenty thousand dollars bond. There's a restraining order.

1695
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 2: He's not allowed to have guns anymore for a while.

1696
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 2: He's got to stay two hundred yards away from Rogan.

1697
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 2: So the Liver King does exactly what a guy like

1698
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 2: the you'd expect a guy like the Liver King to do,

1699
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 2: right in the wake of something like this happening, which is,

1700
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 2: he immediately gets out of jail and starts making more videos.

1701
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 2: Right of course, Yeah, from his hotel room in Austin.

1702
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 2: And again, these are just the videos of a really

1703
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 2: healthy guy who's doing well, whose brain is not has

1704
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 2: not liquefied, and isn't coming out of his ears, just

1705
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 2: a man who seems healthy.

1706
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 5: Thank you for all the prayers.

1707
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 8: By the way, people praying for me, you should also

1708
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:51,799
Speaker 8: pray for yourself.

1709
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 5: Pray for your family.

1710
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 9: Lock that down, fifth bump pound, lock it down.

1711
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:55,560
Speaker 3: You should do all that.

1712
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 8: I am going to the Capitol. I'm already in the Capital,

1713
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 8: but We're going to like capital capital, the location, and

1714
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 8: I've been given the gift of a restraining order just recently.

1715
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 5: And so if.

1716
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 8: Anybody knows, if someone else whose first name rhymes with blow,

1717
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 8: whose last name is Rogan, I'm not.

1718
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 9: Allowed to say it for a copyright, I might sue

1719
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 9: you about it. I'm not allowed to laugh. I'll see

1720
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 9: you have put you in Joe on that one too.

1721
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 2: Okay, So first off, he starts this, he admits in

1722
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 2: another video he falls a little earlier, that he hasn't

1723
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 2: slept in days, and he hasn't been eating, and he

1724
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 2: is slurring his words.

1725
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 3: At the start of this. He is not well.

1726
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 2: I don't think he's sober but it could just be

1727
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 2: sleep deprivation and the fact that something else is awry

1728
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 2: and he's like going to the capitol. He says, he

1729
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 2: wants to go to the capital to like start a

1730
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: legal precedent. He says, Liver King v. Joe Rogan is

1731
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 2: going to be like one of the great legal battles

1732
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 2: of our centurion terms of setting press, what kind of

1733
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 2: resident it's gonna be the new dread Scott. I gotta

1734
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 2: play you guys another video from right after his arrest

1735
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 2: in terms of like seeing how well this man is doing.

1736
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 2: This is the one where he talks about having not

1737
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 2: slept the days. It's gonna zoom it on his eyes

1738
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 2: and I need you to look at his pupils, Okay,

1739
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 2: because this is this seems like a man who's had

1740
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 2: a serious head injury to me because his his one

1741
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 2: of his pupils is a very different size from the others.

1742
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 5: Good born in prime.

1743
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 10: Oh wow, from the Vibration play that the greatest home

1744
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 10: state in the world.

1745
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 8: Often Texas.

1746
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 5: Texas is the state.

1747
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 8: Just to be clear, bags under my eyes haven't slept

1748
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 8: a whole lot and it's been an amazing gift.

1749
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 3: Uh what do you what do you see there people

1750
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 3: with medical training.

1751
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, the human I shouldn't do that. That is like, yeah,

1752
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 6: then I'm supposed to look like that.

1753
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 3: That's one of the bad side, like twenty times bigger

1754
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 3: than the other people. It's bad.

1755
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 2: Like it's if I cared about this man, I would

1756
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 2: get him to a hospital immediately.

1757
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to be clear, I don't.

1758
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 6: I kind of wonder the liver a filtering organ, right,

1759
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 6: it takes the bad stuff out.

1760
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 3: I feel like if that's all you eat, you're going

1761
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 3: to concentrate the bad You're going to poisoning. She almost

1762
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 3: certainly did do someone like slip him a bear liver

1763
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 3: or something polar bear liver, Like what's going on here? Yeah?

1764
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he went up the food chain until he

1765
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 6: ate that wolf's liver and then put it on his head.

1766
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1767
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 2: It's very unclear to me. Is he actually eating that

1768
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 2: much liver? Like there's videos where he does, but like

1769
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 2: on a daily basis. He's also taking gear, so maybe

1770
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 2: he has a normal diet in order to like, you know,

1771
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 2: outside of it and this is just for show. There's

1772
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:02,640
Speaker 2: been a lot of feorizing about that and we just

1773
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 2: don't know. But either way, I think it's safe to

1774
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 2: say this is a sick man, right, this is not

1775
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:08,879
Speaker 2: a well person.

1776
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 5: Yea.

1777
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 6: His Instagram comments are not helping. Just give this man

1778
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 6: a gun immediately. Keep trying to fight Joe Rogan. But

1779
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 6: I believe you can do it right now.

1780
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,640
Speaker 3: If someone is putting out a casting call for deranged

1781
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 3: man and like profit in the desert, he looks exactly

1782
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 3: like that.

1783
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely the incredible added before we went completely looks amazing.

1784
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 3: He looks incredible.

1785
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's got like two fun his haism can like.

1786
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 3: He looks like if you know the.

1787
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 6: Mural of John Brown, John Brown is like joke, That's

1788
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 6: what he looks like.

1789
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 3: He does.

1790
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 6: Different vibes.

1791
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 2: Speaking of different vibes, let's change off the vibes and

1792
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:54,480
Speaker 2: play some hands.

1793
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 3: And we're back.

1794
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 2: So, friends, I got to play you this next video,

1795
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:10,679
Speaker 2: which is after he gets out of jail, he goes

1796
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:12,879
Speaker 2: to the Capitol, And this is him going through security

1797
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 2: at the Capitol as.

1798
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 3: Best I can tell, and he is.

1799
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 2: He's wearing like fucking waiting length pants, like pants that

1800
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 2: cut off just below your knee, so like they're high

1801
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 2: water smoke pants. He's wearing like a sleeveless green hoodie.

1802
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 2: And he has the hood up over his head, and

1803
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 2: then he's wearing a plate carrier and he's trying to

1804
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 2: It's just it's just really funny. It's just two ladies

1805
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 2: and like security informs. They're letting him try to go through.

1806
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 2: And I think this proves that he's If he was

1807
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 2: wearing ceramic plates, I don't think it would set off

1808
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 2: the metal detective. He's got be wearing those cheap AR

1809
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 2: five hundred metal plates. While yeah, yeah, I mean it's possible.

1810
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 2: This doesn't look like just a weight vest. That looks

1811
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 2: like just a normal plate carrier, although it'syeah, it's a.

1812
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 6: Five eleven TAC Tech.

1813
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it looks like yeah, Carr, So I think

1814
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 2: you just got AAR five hundred plates in there.

1815
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 6: Of course, I mean they're probably just white plates. They

1816
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 6: may it may not even be a five.

1817
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 2: They may may not even be dying. He tells them

1818
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 2: it's his exoskeleton, so he has to keep it on.

1819
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 2: I don't think he gets in wearing this. Oh man,

1820
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 2: I love I love the liver cake.

1821
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 3: I was really not expecting him to turn into a lobster.

1822
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 3: But apparently that's where we're at.

1823
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 6: Now, that's where we're at Yeah, you're right, given his radness.

1824
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 2: So there's one more video from his time in Austin

1825
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 2: before we'll get back to the Liver King compound and

1826
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 2: see the liver Queen a little little oh no that

1827
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 2: that person is.

1828
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 6: Going through like the mental health equipment of the Q

1829
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 6: course right now, watching their one source of income.

1830
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

1831
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 2: I have to hope if you're the liver queen, you

1832
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 2: have pretty good like insurance for the liver King.

1833
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, you hope.

1834
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 6: So I don't know how long they've been living monarch together,

1835
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 6: whether she was with him before he went completely fucking bongers, or.

1836
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 3: I don't know how much time there was before that happened,

1837
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 3: to be honest. Was it an arranged marriage like previous monarchies.

1838
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's actually from the Lung family, but they had

1839
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 6: to marry her off to forge alliance. I'm gonna have

1840
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 6: to demand that we watch is Lk's back vulnerable if

1841
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:39,560
Speaker 6: he only stands to strike, because I need to see that.

1842
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 2: There's a lot of Liver King fighting videos, and okay,

1843
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 2: none of them are are all that impressive.

1844
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 6: So one way, he fights like a horse sized duck

1845
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:51,839
Speaker 6: or one hundred duck sized horses.

1846
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 2: There's a video where he goes hunting with his kid

1847
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 2: and he's talking about how it's like a prival experience.

1848
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 2: But all that happens is he pays a guy to

1849
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 2: take him into the woods. It's like forty feet away

1850
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 2: from a deer, and then they just shoot the deer

1851
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:08,680
Speaker 2: outside where his Native American guy is like, okay, you

1852
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 2: can shoot it now.

1853
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 3: It's really funny. It's pretty good. Okay what.

1854
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 2: He's just cram walking like a gorilla down like the

1855
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 2: hull of his hotel.

1856
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 3: It's beautiful stuff. It's good.

1857
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 4: Somebody.

1858
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 2: Now he's doing fake martial ice booths and it comes

1859
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 2: out of the duor straight.

1860
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1861
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just turned his girl and crab walk that

1862
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 2: he does is like fist pump. He has like a

1863
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 2: little chant that he makes people say, lock it down.

1864
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 2: He pays to me wearing an ankle monitor. Yeah, he

1865
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 2: is wearing an ankle monitor. Yes, that's my favorite part

1866
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:55,679
Speaker 2: of the video. He does have to wear an ankle monitor.

1867
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 3: Now someone's coming.

1868
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 6: To it's not an ancestral ankle monitor.

1869
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 3: That is not a normal crowd walk. I don't know

1870
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 3: how to describe what that is. It genuinely defies description.

1871
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 3: It is the weird, weird forms a bush. I've ever

1872
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 3: seen the cube of undertake imagine if Rita was drunk.

1873
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 3: So we're gonna go back.

1874
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 2: To ads real quick, and then when we come back,

1875
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 2: we're going to finally see the Liver Queen and him

1876
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 2: back in his compound talking to his fellow friends about

1877
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 2: how how things are really good, how he wanted to

1878
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 2: get arrested for threatening Joe Rogan, how it's blessing to

1879
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 2: have a restraining order against him and to not be

1880
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 2: able to be in possession of his guns anymore. And

1881
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 2: we're back, and I'm gonna play that video for you

1882
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 2: guys once again. So he is standing in the yard

1883
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 2: of the Liver King compound. His wife is drinking a

1884
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 2: glass of wine next to him, and Appointed this kind

1885
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 2: of reluctantly takes his hand. They are listening to a

1886
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 2: like I think it's a I think you'd call it

1887
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 2: a trance remix of Mike Posner's I Took a Bill

1888
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 2: in a Pisa, So I don't know what it's just

1889
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 2: blasting over the yard. As he talks, he rants about

1890
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 2: his arrest.

1891
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 5: There's zero race, there's zero I really understand. I really

1892
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 5: get it, really and I'm not asking for it. I

1893
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 5: don't need it. But it's it's hard.

1894
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 10: It's the hardest parts over, the hardest parts over, that's great,

1895
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 10: that's really good.

1896
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:52,679
Speaker 2: The hardest parts over getting arrested. His wife really doesn't

1897
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:53,679
Speaker 2: want to take his hand.

1898
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 5: He has a.

1899
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 6: Caffea draped around his shoulders, a tactical caffa.

1900
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 2: He's where a tactical cafea. He loves his tactical kafea. Okay,

1901
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 2: it's good stuff.

1902
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:08,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's just doing he's just doing really really healthy.

1903
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1904
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:12,639
Speaker 6: He seems to have like added mag pouches for this one,

1905
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 6: which he suggests that he removed them his trip to

1906
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:15,839
Speaker 6: the capital.

1907
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,839
Speaker 3: He to remove the mag pouches to go to the capitol.

1908
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 6: So he already throwed it through And so I bet

1909
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 6: I could wear it if I take the mag pouches off.

1910
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeahinating fish, it's incredible fish.

1911
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 6: It looks like he's taken so many steroids and he

1912
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 6: is literally inflated and they are trying to get out.

1913
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1914
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1915
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 2: So in this last video that we're going to play,

1916
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 2: he's sitting on a throne. He's got a throat, he

1917
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,640
Speaker 2: talks about how he thinks the throne is silly now

1918
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 2: and how he wouldn't have liked past liver King, and

1919
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 2: how people talk about how he's lost it and he

1920
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:52,560
Speaker 2: thinks that's a compliment because I think he's making a

1921
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 2: point about ego death here, but it's not very coherent.

1922
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 2: So here's the liver King talking about how it's good

1923
01:31:58,160 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 2: to lose your mind.

1924
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:03,719
Speaker 9: Walking through the foyer and I saw these old thrones

1925
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 9: and I just kind of laughed, and I was like,

1926
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 9: oh god, you know, kind of a little bit embarrassed.

1927
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 9: And I thought, oh, you know what, I don't think

1928
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 9: I made a video today. I said I was going to,

1929
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 9: so I better, I better deliver on it. But it

1930
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:23,600
Speaker 9: was Sunday, Family Day, God's Day, Capital g Day, and

1931
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 9: we did that then, Man, it was that was good.

1932
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:30,679
Speaker 9: And so I'm walking by this one, this throne, old throne,

1933
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 9: and I thought.

1934
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 8: Buffalo is real.

1935
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:35,160
Speaker 9: That's that's legit. That's gonna stay. But I thought, oh

1936
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:40,560
Speaker 9: my god, you know the predecessor me, I would have

1937
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 9: hated me too. I read some comments today or yesterday,

1938
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 9: and I saw he's losing it a lot. And this

1939
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 9: is says it on my desk, lose yourself.

1940
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 8: That is like when you actually lose yourself though, and

1941
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 8: you lose the ego, you can't really tell people, you know,

1942
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 8: because then it's like, hey, yeah, I actually shed my

1943
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 8: ego and now I'm better.

1944
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:16,679
Speaker 5: You know, that's the ego talking.

1945
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 8: So if other people are seeing it, whoa thank you,

1946
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 8: thank you, or I can also go back to the egomaniac.

1947
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Speaker 2: So here's the thing, folks, the new DSM that's coming out,

1948
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 2: I think they're going to increase the age at which

1949
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 2: you could be diagnosed as a schizophrenic for the male

1950
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 2: up to like forty or something like that.

1951
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Speaker 3: And boy, howdy, no, real, truly like real Ross putin

1952
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 3: vibes from this one. He's got like a hood on.

1953
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 2: He really is obsessed with because he's his hair. He's

1954
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 2: got less and less of it every day.

1955
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 6: That'll happen if you put the testosterone, would you're taking

1956
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 6: nothing but pure test yes?

1957
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1958
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, when you pour a testosterone on your Syrian the morning.

1959
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1960
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's that's my update for everyone on the

1961
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 2: liver King. He's doing well. I'll be shocked if he's

1962
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 2: alive at a year.

1963
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 6: What a fantastic man.

1964
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 2: He's got kids, but he also makes the meat raw testicle,

1965
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 2: so I don't know if they're going to be worse off.

1966
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that he's probably one of

1967
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 6: those rare station intervene moments.

1968
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, something should have something should be done here.

1969
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah it is. It doesn't seem like a healthy guy.

1970
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 6: I know, if you should eat just organ meats.

1971
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 3: No, Apparently, like eating a diet that is entirely consists

1972
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 3: of raw organs, random pharmaceuticals and gear makes you like

1973
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 3: talk exactly the same as like a nineteen year old

1974
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 3: art student. Yeah, like another enough kennemine to like traquilize

1975
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 3: a horse. These are apparently equivalent states of being.

1976
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 5: This is what I've learned from this. Yeah.

1977
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think kenymine is one possible explanation because some

1978
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:57,759
Speaker 2: of his some of his behavior is definitely like ketamine goaded.

1979
01:34:58,439 --> 01:34:58,639
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1980
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 2: But I also think there's a good chance that this

1981
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 2: is just like he's been abusing drugs for such a

1982
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 2: long period of time that he's just suffering permanent brain

1983
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 2: damage now at this point, right like he's he's not

1984
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 2: able to like he's not very cogent anymore. And I

1985
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 2: don't know, I feel like the people who are still

1986
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 2: around him are largely taking advantage of him for money,

1987
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 2: Like he was good at making money at one point,

1988
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:28,720
Speaker 2: they're still cash flooding in and that's that's kind of

1989
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 2: what's happening here. But on the other hand, like this

1990
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 2: is this guy made his own hell, he made his

1991
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 2: own bed. He's getting exactly what he wants. Yeah, he

1992
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 2: liked people about the health, which is a pretty fucked

1993
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 2: up thing to do. Like, yeah, I didn't have a

1994
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 2: lot of sympathy for the living King. No, I don't

1995
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 2: have a lot of sympathy for the liver King anyway,

1996
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 2: any questions about the Liver King before we roll out?

1997
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 6: I mean so many, Robert, more than you can ever imagine.

1998
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 3: But okay, on on a scale of like point oh

1999
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 3: one to one, Godafi, how or is golden rs?

2000
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,680
Speaker 2: I mean they're golden ars. Like they're fine, like they are,

2001
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 2: like they're definitely like dictator great ars.

2002
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 3: I'll give them that.

2003
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 2: Like if if you if you saw that and like

2004
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 2: some fucking junta leader, you know, carrying it around and

2005
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,640
Speaker 2: screaming about executing his enemies, you'd be like, yeah, that

2006
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 2: fits that said, I do think if you are going

2007
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 2: to be carrying a gold plated weapon. An AR is

2008
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 2: just inherently less impressive than an AK forty seven, like

2009
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 2: a golden a golden a AK forty seven says something

2010
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 2: about you, and a golden AR just says that you

2011
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 2: have like fifteen thousand dollars to light on fire for

2012
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 2: no good reason, whereas a gold plate at AK forty

2013
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 2: seven says you've probably mixed cocaine and gunpowder, you know. Yeah, well, yeah,

2014
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 2: that's some advice for LIVI king for free. Yeah, you

2015
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 2: have to you have to be sending positive messages out

2016
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 2: into the world with your apparel, exactly, exactly.

2017
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 6: Yeah's just why I'm wearing the duppiest wolf. You guys

2018
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:02,520
Speaker 6: have to just find the fucking wolf. Like the indignity

2019
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 6: of it being killed is not it's final indignity, as

2020
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 6: it turns out.

2021
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's that's as bad as it can go

2022
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 3: for a wolf.

2023
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:14,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty much. You go from the top of the

2024
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 6: food chain to this guy's bolding hu crania. Yeah, I know,

2025
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:23,560
Speaker 6: have a fucking vegetable everyone, That's what I have for you.

2026
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have have vegetables. Eat more vegetables. We haven't

2027
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 3: talked about how he squawks.

2028
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 6: He doesn't squat with the body, squats with the ragh.

2029
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2030
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 3: Now we forgot to mention that that is very funny.

2031
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, God, everyone go on this. It's a terrible fucking

2032
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 6: time to be I've gone into Instagram.

2033
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 3: It's funny. Yeah, it's really funny.

2034
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 2: Have some fun, enjoy the liver Kings Instagram while he's

2035
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:52,639
Speaker 2: still alive for another like four to six months.

2036
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 3: I'm not taking any pleasure in this. I don't want

2037
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 3: him to die.

2038
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at a man and being like, well,

2039
01:37:57,200 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 2: that's not gonna last much longer.

2040
01:37:58,760 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2041
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 6: It is like watching a car without breaks. Yeah, traveling

2042
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 6: down hill.

2043
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 3: Let's speed. Yeah, all right, everyone, have a good night.

2044
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:07,719
Speaker 5: Trim.

2045
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 13: This is it could Happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly

2046
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 13: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

2047
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 13: and what it means for you. I'm Garson Davis. Today

2048
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 13: I am joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and later

2049
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Speaker 13: a special report by Robert Evans. This episode, we are

2050
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:49,280
Speaker 13: covering the week of June twenty fifth to July second.

2051
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 13: It is the end of Pride month. It was Canada Day.

2052
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 13: Fourth of July is coming up. I will say no

2053
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 13: one in our team wished me a happy Canada Day,

2054
01:38:57,560 --> 01:38:58,839
Speaker 13: not that I noticed.

2055
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:02,639
Speaker 3: That's correct. I hate the Trump administration because I can't

2056
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 3: do my death the Canada jokes anymore.

2057
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 13: It sucks terrible Canada. Welcome to the Resistance. I'm gonna

2058
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 13: start with a brief news round up because there's been

2059
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 13: so many news stories this past week that we cannot

2060
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 13: do big sections on all of them. We already have

2061
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 13: three main stories, but there's some mini stories that I

2062
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 13: didn't want to get forgotten. I'm gonna start by talking

2063
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 13: about the Supreme Court, which has now limited the ability

2064
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 13: of lower court judges to use nationwide injunctions. So now

2065
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:36,720
Speaker 13: Trump's order to end a birthright citizenship can be enforced,

2066
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 13: if even temporarily, for those who are not affiliated with

2067
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:45,720
Speaker 13: the actual court cases on the constitutionality of ending birthright citizenship.

2068
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:49,000
Speaker 13: What this means on a broader scale is that Trump's

2069
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 13: very obviously illegal executive orders can now be enforced in

2070
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 13: a lot of states because the injunctions that judges are

2071
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 13: putting on only apply to the people in those specific cases,

2072
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:03,599
Speaker 13: so enforcement of the orders can start before the final

2073
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 13: order on if it's legal or not gets gets issued.

2074
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 13: So this is really bad because it will cause some intense,

2075
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 13: if temporary, like short term headaches for many people who's

2076
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:21,720
Speaker 13: now citizenship is in a big question mark. But this

2077
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:25,439
Speaker 13: also affects many other cases regarding judge's ability to actually

2078
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 13: issue injunctions that affect things across the whole country.

2079
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is some sort of like weird hack shit

2080
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 3: you can do where like there's been some stuff the

2081
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 3: judges have been trying to do and to be like

2082
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 3: everyone in the country is a plaintive or whatever the fuck. Yeah,

2083
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 3: and I don't know how long that's gonna hold up,

2084
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:46,760
Speaker 3: and and like the fuck thing about this is again

2085
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 3: it's just like what this means is shroup administration can

2086
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:54,400
Speaker 3: kind of do whatever the fuck they want and it's

2087
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 3: just legal until this free court like looks at it,

2088
01:40:57,560 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 3: and that's completely unhinged.

2089
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:03,640
Speaker 13: Yeah, Agreediously, illegal orders can now be enforced for a

2090
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 13: period of months to years, as the court cases eventually

2091
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 13: will churn their way up to the Supreme Court.

2092
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:11,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is a particularly egregious one too, because

2093
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 3: the birthday citizenship is so obviously it's just literally in

2094
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 3: the constitution. It's literally the Constitution just says, if you're

2095
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 3: born here, you're a citizen.

2096
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, well it says that section of the Amendment that

2097
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:25,679
Speaker 6: is under question is subject to the authority thereof which

2098
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 6: is what is being litigated here. There is a section

2099
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 6: there that I guess is perceived by some people to

2100
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 6: be debateable. It doesn't seem very debatable to me, right, No,

2101
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:37,800
Speaker 6: it's completely insane. It's like unhinged shit. Like it's like,

2102
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:40,600
Speaker 6: it's like stuff you wouldn't have seen even from like

2103
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:45,559
Speaker 6: unhinged conservative legal cranks fifteen years ago. You absolutely would

2104
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 6: have seen this particular case.

2105
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, well I guess the absolute most unhinged baby, but

2106
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,560
Speaker 3: like you wouldn't have seen even like, I don't know,

2107
01:41:54,479 --> 01:41:58,240
Speaker 3: the normal person on Fox News kind of unhinged arguing

2108
01:41:58,320 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 3: this even like fifteen years ago.

2109
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 6: And now this was like on the blogs that have,

2110
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 6: you know, the GeoCities era web design.

2111
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

2112
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 13: Trying to restrict and quantify citizenship is going to be

2113
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:12,559
Speaker 13: probably the main theme of this episode, as we will

2114
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 13: get to in the future, and if even temporarily, trying

2115
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 13: to strip the citizenship of already thousands, one hundred thousands

2116
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:21,240
Speaker 13: of people who are who live in this country is

2117
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 13: incredibly worrying considering the massive amount of increased funding that

2118
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 13: ICE is about to receive. Speaking of ICE, second little

2119
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 13: mini story in explosive ICE raid in Huntington Park, California. Yeah,

2120
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 13: or attack and ICE agents used explosives to breach and

2121
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:38,720
Speaker 13: raid the home of US citizens. A drone was sent

2122
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:41,639
Speaker 13: into the home after explosives shattered the windows, sending glass

2123
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:44,000
Speaker 13: yards flying into the home occupied by a mother and

2124
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:46,880
Speaker 13: two young children. The target of the raid was not

2125
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 13: in the home. Border Patrol was looking for a man

2126
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:53,200
Speaker 13: that got into a car accident during a previous ICE raid,

2127
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:55,280
Speaker 13: who was questioned at the scene and was allowed to leave.

2128
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 13: But now the DHS alleges the man was obstructing the

2129
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 13: actions of ICE when he rammed his car into a

2130
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 13: vehicle carrying CBP agents, though witnesses at the scene say

2131
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 13: that the FEDS break checked, leading to a rear ending.

2132
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 13: The man turned himself in on Friday after the raid.

2133
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 13: So what actually happened here is that ICE caused a

2134
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:19,240
Speaker 13: car accident and in response, they blew up the home

2135
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 13: of US citizens.

2136
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, they dynamically breached, Yeah, at home with a

2137
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 6: little child in right, like you see in the video.

2138
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 13: Two young kids. I think, like a six year old

2139
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:29,680
Speaker 13: and a two year old.

2140
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:32,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, you see them presumably the mother of the two mother, Yeah,

2141
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 6: with the child in her arms leaving.

2142
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 13: They sent a fucking drone in there. They're acting the

2143
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 13: house full of like active combatants. You have like dozens

2144
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:43,599
Speaker 13: dozens of people in military fatigues raiding this home.

2145
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:45,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, except that they didn't do it in such a

2146
01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 6: fashion as you would if you if you were actually worried, right,

2147
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,559
Speaker 6: Like they didn't. There wasn't a flashbang, right that they breached,

2148
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:52,760
Speaker 6: stood around for a while, sent a drone in. They

2149
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,920
Speaker 6: didn't dynamically breach in a dynamic way right like they

2150
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:58,000
Speaker 6: would if they were expecting a real threat.

2151
01:43:58,200 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 3: No, they just wanted to blow up this person's fucking

2152
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 3: house because they were pissed off that they that that

2153
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Speaker 3: they caused a car accident. Yes, these are These are

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01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 3: the tiniest fucking baby secret police I have ever seen

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01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:12,080
Speaker 3: in my entire goddamn life. Fucking Christ.

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Speaker 13: It runs me of that one like picture of like

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01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 13: a police raid in the nineties that conservatives used to

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01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:20,800
Speaker 13: use in terms of like like the government's taking over

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01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 13: of this, of this of this, like you know, retro

2160
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:27,400
Speaker 13: nineties swat cop like pointing a gun at like a family.

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01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:29,519
Speaker 13: It's like hiding in like a closet. And the Elian

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01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 13: Gonzales ray, do you mean yeah? And how much this

2163
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:35,560
Speaker 13: was used as like fear of like federal overreach, like

2164
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 13: used by conservatives and now this is like their entire

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01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:41,840
Speaker 13: platform is raiding the home of US citizens.

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01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:43,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty worth noting.

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01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:46,960
Speaker 6: I believe Huntington part that mayor has directed their police

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01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:51,400
Speaker 6: to enforce the California law which requires law enforcement offices

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01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:52,560
Speaker 6: to identify themselves.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 6: It's been very common to the ICE agents refuse to

2172
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:58,680
Speaker 6: identify themselves and wear masks, right, And I believe this

2173
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 6: was passed by their count and then their mayor, whose

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Speaker 6: name is Arturo Flores, released statement calling the ICE abductions

2175
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:11,560
Speaker 6: mass abductions and directing his police to intervene if what

2176
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 6: was happening was unlawful or unauthorized. And I can't help

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01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:19,000
Speaker 6: but think that that is why we saw this happen here, right,

2178
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 6: I think it may not be so m sicar crash

2179
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Speaker 6: as a chance to do something in this city, which

2180
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 6: has yeah, been one of the very few that has

2181
01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 6: taken meaningful action to prevent.

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01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 13: This absolutely because people don't like ice. There's new ice

2183
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 13: approval ratings that came out by Quinnipiac on a June

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01:45:35,479 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 13: twenty fourth, twenty five net approval of ice negative seventeen percent,

2185
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:44,920
Speaker 13: Democrats negative eighty Independence negative thirty two. This is this

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01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:47,759
Speaker 13: centrist position, independence negative thirty two percent.

2187
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:50,720
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you've got like bushadmin staff as saying abolish eyes.

2188
01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 6: It's a win for me.

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01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, GOP is up sixty but that's it. This

2190
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 13: is like the centrist position now. And also sixty percent

2191
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,639
Speaker 13: is nearly just half the GOP. Like, people don't like ice.

2192
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:02,160
Speaker 13: The majority of people in this country don't like ice

2193
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 13: negative seventeen percent. Yeah, candidates that need to run on

2194
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 13: abolishing ice. This is like one of the most important

2195
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:11,440
Speaker 13: issues facing the country right now, and they are wildly unpopular,

2196
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:14,760
Speaker 13: including for independence. For this is this set abolishing ice

2197
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:16,160
Speaker 13: should be the centrist position.

2198
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, well but this but this is this is sort

2199
01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:21,000
Speaker 3: of the problem, right, which is that the Democrats did this, like, well,

2200
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 3: a least some of them, at least AOC did so

2201
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 3: some of that. A Democratic wave ran on that in

2202
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, and then the Democrats were just like each

2203
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:29,760
Speaker 3: shit we're never going to do that again. And like

2204
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,479
Speaker 3: AOC never fucking mentioned it again. Like they all came

2205
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:33,880
Speaker 3: into power and we're like, Okay, we got to deal

2206
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:36,080
Speaker 3: with super border crackdown. Shit. It's like they need to

2207
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:37,560
Speaker 3: they fucking need to do this.

2208
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:39,880
Speaker 13: Yeah, but people should bring it back. I think that

2209
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 13: the data here is in support. Yeah, and like ICE

2210
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:44,680
Speaker 13: is younger than I am. ICE is younger than all

2211
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:47,040
Speaker 13: of us, Like yeah, ICE is a is a fucking

2212
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:48,120
Speaker 13: fake agency.

2213
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:50,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, and DHS is younger than most of us.

2214
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:50,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2215
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:52,600
Speaker 13: I like the ICE as an agency should be like

2216
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:54,880
Speaker 13: disappear and we should like try to be forgiven for

2217
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 13: it over the course of hundreds of years.

2218
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:59,200
Speaker 6: Like yeah, Yeah, people want to learn more about the

2219
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:01,639
Speaker 6: history of DHS. I did a series about title forty

2220
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:04,080
Speaker 6: two where I talk about it a whole lot.

2221
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 13: Speaking of agencies that shouldn't exist. The BBC cut the

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01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:12,799
Speaker 13: feed of the glass Frey Music Festival during Kneecap's performance

2223
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 13: to block pro Palestinian messaging, but they failed to stop

2224
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:21,759
Speaker 13: Bob Villain from leading a death to the idf chant.

2225
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 3: Bob Dylan.

2226
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 13: Villain what.

2227
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:31,799
Speaker 3: Bob Dylan based on Villain.

2228
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 13: They are a punk rap group and they were leading

2229
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:39,599
Speaker 13: death to the IDF chance broadcast live on the stage.

2230
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:42,720
Speaker 13: Both of these music groups, Kneecap and Bob Villain, are

2231
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 13: now an investigation by the British police from their political

2232
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:50,479
Speaker 13: comments at this music festival, and the US State Department

2233
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 13: has revoked Bob Villain's work visa ahead of an upcoming

2234
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 13: US tour as punishment for criticizing the military of a

2235
01:47:58,120 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 13: foreign country. The Party of Free Speed each strikes once again.

2236
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:04,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do want to say that, like as as

2237
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 6: a consumer of Glastonbrie music festival content, right, I guess

2238
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 6: as a British process Yeah, and at the target like

2239
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 6: age demographic, I guess what this has overshadowed is the

2240
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 6: massive amount of support for the Palestinian cause that you saw. Like,

2241
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:19,680
Speaker 6: go watch a glaston Bree video and you will not

2242
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 6: not see Palestinian flagged in the crowd most of them.

2243
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:25,960
Speaker 6: You will hear the artists acknowledging that there is a

2244
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 6: genocide in Palestine.

2245
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 5: Right.

2246
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:31,200
Speaker 6: I don't know if anyone at the BBC is familiar

2247
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:33,320
Speaker 6: with Bob Villain, Like, I'm sure they've played their music,

2248
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:35,519
Speaker 6: but whoever made the choice to stream them and not

2249
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:38,880
Speaker 6: stream Kneecap clearly had not done like a fucking like

2250
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:43,240
Speaker 6: a Wikipedia level research, because you know what you're getting

2251
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 6: into with these guys, Like both the people in the

2252
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:47,839
Speaker 6: band are called Bobby Villain, right, No, that's sirs, staging

2253
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,080
Speaker 6: that they use in order to have a little bit

2254
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:53,040
Speaker 6: of privacy. But there's an interview with him a while

2255
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:55,000
Speaker 6: ago where he's like, Yeah, I just like pisching people

2256
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:56,680
Speaker 6: off because it's the only thing that brings me joy

2257
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:58,040
Speaker 6: in this miserable fucking country.

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01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:01,880
Speaker 8: Ah. Incredible.

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01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:04,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, they've been very aspoken about a large number of

2260
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:05,320
Speaker 6: things that the.

2261
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:07,439
Speaker 3: British police have been going completely unhinged with this too.

2262
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 3: The Parliament's currently I don't know what the result. I

2263
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:12,120
Speaker 3: think they may have voted to do it already. They've

2264
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:14,400
Speaker 3: been trying to vote to make it illegal for like

2265
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 3: Palestinian action to exist after they did it after they

2266
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:20,479
Speaker 3: did a pretty big action at a Britis Din action year. Yeah,

2267
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:22,800
Speaker 3: after Parson Action did a pretty big like action at

2268
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:26,600
Speaker 3: a like fucking British arms manufacturer that's also Israel. So

2269
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 3: they're going so unhinged on all of this shit.

2270
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:33,799
Speaker 13: And they've been going after Kneecap for years. There's multiple

2271
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:37,719
Speaker 13: investigations into Kneecap. Now you should check out Neecaps new movie.

2272
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:41,280
Speaker 13: It's pretty good for our first main story. I guess

2273
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 13: I'll throw to James to discuss denaturalization.

2274
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:49,240
Speaker 6: Yeah so yeah, a less exciting than Glassery music festival.

2275
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,679
Speaker 6: So the naturalization if you're not familiar, rate the movement

2276
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 6: of US citizenship from people who became US citizeners at

2277
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:59,240
Speaker 6: some point in their life. The DOJ has issued instructions

2278
01:49:59,320 --> 01:50:03,439
Speaker 6: to its Civil Division employees to pursue denaturalization proceedings against

2279
01:50:03,479 --> 01:50:06,640
Speaker 6: naturalized US citizens quote in all cases permitted by law

2280
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:07,879
Speaker 6: and supported by the evidence.

2281
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:10,880
Speaker 3: It goes on to lists some categories.

2282
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 6: These include some of the things you might expect, including

2283
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:17,280
Speaker 6: being in access to terrorism and organized crime, people who

2284
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:20,720
Speaker 6: engaged in war crimes, people who committed violent crimes or

2285
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:24,640
Speaker 6: failed to disclose felonies on their application for naturalization. But

2286
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 6: they also include fraud both against private individuals and against Medicaid, Medicare,

2287
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:34,599
Speaker 6: and the pay Check Protection Plan maybe program, the PPP

2288
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:39,800
Speaker 6: COVID era government bailout right. The last one, however, is

2289
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 6: the most concerning. Quote any cases referred to the Civil

2290
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:46,520
Speaker 6: Division that the Division considers officially important to pursue.

2291
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 13: Any cases that area found to be sufficient sufficiently important.

2292
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:58,519
Speaker 6: Just people aren't familiar rates. Civil and criminal law are distinct. Right,

2293
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 6: civil law has a lower burden of proof and crucially,

2294
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:07,000
Speaker 6: the accused person is not entitled to legal representation. In addition,

2295
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:10,280
Speaker 6: this could have trickle down effects. Right, children of naturalized

2296
01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:14,800
Speaker 6: citizens are also citizens, so their citizenship derives from their

2297
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:17,400
Speaker 6: parent citizenship. So it's possible that children who are not

2298
01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:21,719
Speaker 6: even accused of doing anything wrong could be the natural

2299
01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:26,639
Speaker 6: or not naturalized, de citizenized and left stateless. Right, many

2300
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 6: of these children will not be dual nationals. This is

2301
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:33,120
Speaker 6: another big problem with like ending birthright citizenship. Yeah, so

2302
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:35,680
Speaker 6: it will lead people so like this is something that

2303
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:38,360
Speaker 6: I do feel like, much like I feel like in

2304
01:51:38,439 --> 01:51:41,280
Speaker 6: the UK people should have pushed back against the government

2305
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:44,760
Speaker 6: prosecuting people for saying shit that was fucking hateful and

2306
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:48,519
Speaker 6: disgusting about migrants when there was a stabbing attack last year.

2307
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:51,120
Speaker 6: I still feel people should have pushed back because it's

2308
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:53,000
Speaker 6: not a good situation when the government gets to decide

2309
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:56,400
Speaker 6: what you can and can't think. Likewise, in this instance,

2310
01:51:57,120 --> 01:52:00,160
Speaker 6: nations in the global North have been leaving people who

2311
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 6: fought for the or people who are accused of fighting

2312
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:04,519
Speaker 6: for the Islamic state or joining the Islamic state. Stateless

2313
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 6: for a long time, and I think that was a

2314
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:09,320
Speaker 6: bad precedent and they were able to As we'll get

2315
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:13,920
Speaker 6: into they will always use an odious person as the

2316
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 6: first example, right to set the precedent and then go

2317
01:52:16,479 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 6: from there.

2318
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:17,080
Speaker 5: Yep.

2319
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:20,560
Speaker 6: So in the odious person example in this case is

2320
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 6: someone called Elliott Duke. They have been denaturalized. Duke was

2321
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:27,080
Speaker 6: a UK citizen served in the United States military. While

2322
01:52:27,200 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 6: serving in Germany, they received and distributed child sex abuse material,

2323
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:37,960
Speaker 6: according to the DOJ. They were later contacted by the

2324
01:52:38,120 --> 01:52:41,599
Speaker 6: FBI about this and prosecuted. The DOJ stated that their

2325
01:52:41,680 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 6: case was identified as part of Operation Prison Lookout, which

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01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:49,479
Speaker 6: aims to identify sex offenders who have naturalized. I haven't

2327
01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:51,840
Speaker 6: seen any reporting on Prison Lookout. It's in the press release,

2328
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:53,599
Speaker 6: but I think maybe people don't read to the bottom.

2329
01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 6: But it appears that the DOJ this case has been

2330
01:52:56,560 --> 01:52:58,680
Speaker 6: going on for months. The Duke case, right, and so

2331
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:02,280
Speaker 6: the DOJ as early as February this year was looking

2332
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 6: through prosecution records to find and find naturalized citizens who

2333
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:10,439
Speaker 6: have been convicted of sex crimes. Duke was not able

2334
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:13,519
Speaker 6: to get an attorney to represent them. They also it

2335
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:17,400
Speaker 6: appears to renounce a UK citizenship, and it's not very

2336
01:53:17,479 --> 01:53:21,280
Speaker 6: clear what happens now, right, like in another stateless person cases,

2337
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:26,080
Speaker 6: where does this person go? Denaturalization has been used before,

2338
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 6: right that The time when the United States did the

2339
01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 6: most denaturalization was during the Second Red Scare second rates

2340
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 6: gay kay and McCarthyism.

2341
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:35,559
Speaker 13: Right, and oh boy, are they trying to bring it back.

2342
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:40,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, twenty thousand cases a year in the McCarthy era.

2343
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:44,320
Speaker 6: For references, stats I could find suggest about twenty five

2344
01:53:44,479 --> 01:53:49,280
Speaker 6: million naturalized citizens in the United States both Obama. Obama

2345
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:53,120
Speaker 6: had something called Operation Janus identified people who were eligible

2346
01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 6: for denaturalization, and Trump one also at higher rates of denaturalization,

2347
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:01,120
Speaker 6: but nothing on this McCarthy eras scale. Right, people will

2348
01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:04,559
Speaker 6: be familiar with the naturalization also before that, that happened.

2349
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:06,000
Speaker 3: To Emma Goldman for example.

2350
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:06,559
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2351
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:08,679
Speaker 13: One other story from this week that's kind of related

2352
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 13: is it was announced that whol to check the citizenship

2353
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:16,960
Speaker 13: status of all Americans. This is the first time we've

2354
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:20,479
Speaker 13: had a centralized tool like this, or we've attempted to

2355
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:23,400
Speaker 13: the US has for a while has resisted creating like

2356
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:26,439
Speaker 13: a dossier of like official citizens because this is like

2357
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:29,280
Speaker 13: a kind of problematic thing to have. There's a lot

2358
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:32,600
Speaker 13: of issues with this concept. Actually verifying that this list

2359
01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 13: is accurate is very tricky. You have to add people

2360
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:37,440
Speaker 13: who have been naturalized how they've been naturalized. There's other

2361
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:41,879
Speaker 13: people who acquire citizenship through other means than the standard

2362
01:54:41,960 --> 01:54:45,360
Speaker 13: like naturalization process, like including like through through your parents.

2363
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 13: There's the Child Citizenship Act of two thousand where if

2364
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:50,880
Speaker 13: one of your parents is a US citizen and you

2365
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:53,640
Speaker 13: are not a US citizen, but you live with your

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01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:57,080
Speaker 13: US citizen parent while being a legal permanent resident, that

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01:54:57,280 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 13: then gives you automatic citizenship. But you don't need to

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01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:02,960
Speaker 13: apply for the naturalization process. So this is like a

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01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:05,520
Speaker 13: really weird thing to prove. You have to apply for

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01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:08,720
Speaker 13: a certificate or apply for a passport as proof of citizenship.

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Speaker 13: How would those cases be added to this list? This

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01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:15,240
Speaker 13: is an incredibly problematic thing to have, and it's going

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01:55:15,320 --> 01:55:17,760
Speaker 13: to be used mainly just to hunt people down and

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Speaker 13: try to deport them.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, massive information security risk.

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01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:26,520
Speaker 13: It's really problematic and tied in with these other denaturalization programs.

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Speaker 13: It's a really worrying sign of where things are going

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Speaker 13: to be going.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, talking of worrying signs, this is a worrying sign

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Speaker 6: that we have to pivot to advertisements.

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Speaker 13: All right, we are back, James. You do have one

2382
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:55,280
Speaker 13: piece of good news in the immigration front, Well, I

2383
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:57,760
Speaker 13: do you, Garson. I've gotta hate you some bad news first, buddy.

2384
01:55:57,880 --> 01:55:58,960
Speaker 13: That's the way this show works.

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01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:01,040
Speaker 6: That's how we do it here. Cool Zone Media.

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01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 3: It can happen here.

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Speaker 6: Special Immigrant Defenders Law Center i llegal nonprofit says one

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01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:11,160
Speaker 6: of their clients, Julie Calderon, was abducted by armed men

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Speaker 6: in Los Angeles and taken to Santy Cedro. People are

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01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:16,080
Speaker 6: not familiar. Santit Caedro is the border that you might

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01:56:16,160 --> 01:56:19,840
Speaker 6: call San Diego border, right, the town that actually has

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01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:23,160
Speaker 6: the physical excess of Tijuana. Santi Suedro. The city of

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01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:25,840
Speaker 6: San Diego also has some land down there. She was

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01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:28,720
Speaker 6: told at Santi Sudro that she was to sign voluntary

2395
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 6: deportation papers. She very reasonably refused to ask to see

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01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:34,760
Speaker 6: a Laura and a judge, and at this point she

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Speaker 6: was taken and returned to the armed men. And it's

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Speaker 6: now being detained in a warehouse with no beds, blankets,

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Speaker 6: or food. She was able to make a call to

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01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 6: her family from a blocked number. She described the people

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01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:50,360
Speaker 6: as bounty hunters, and at this point she said she

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01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:54,920
Speaker 6: has not seen any uniformed offices in her detention right.

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01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:57,000
Speaker 6: She's being detained in an area where men and women

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01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:59,280
Speaker 6: are mixed, which is not usual in border patrol attention,

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01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:02,320
Speaker 6: and according to Deaf. According to im Deaf, she has

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01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:04,240
Speaker 6: not been able to shower and the only water source

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01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:08,840
Speaker 6: is a sink. The Mexican Consulate has been informed and

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Speaker 6: thinks that she might now be in the O Ti

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01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:14,920
Speaker 6: Meca Dettention Center, but because she's not showing up on

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01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:17,600
Speaker 6: the ice detainee locator, they don't know that for sure,

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01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:21,280
Speaker 6: and they are therefore still a little bit unclear on

2412
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,840
Speaker 6: where this lady has gone. I have seen reports of

2413
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:26,440
Speaker 6: bounty hunters, many of you have sent them to me.

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01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:29,000
Speaker 6: I have seen none that I find to be credible

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01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:34,400
Speaker 6: before this. IM Deaf are an established group. They are

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01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:38,760
Speaker 6: not people who I've found to be prone to making

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01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:41,040
Speaker 6: things up or exaggerating like I trust.

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01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 3: Them as a source. And this is deeply, deeply worrying.

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01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:48,680
Speaker 6: I don't know why it's not getting more coverage other

2420
01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:51,720
Speaker 6: than most people on the migration and border beat perhaps

2421
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:55,520
Speaker 6: don't speak Spanish or have actually just turned up on

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01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:57,200
Speaker 6: this beat a few weeks ago and have have no

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01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 6: notion of like who the actors and these groups are,

2424
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:04,880
Speaker 6: and they tend to go off government press releases. This

2425
01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:07,880
Speaker 6: is like shit that we haven't seen in the United

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Speaker 6: States since I know, the Fugitive Slave Act.

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Speaker 3: Like it's appalling. Yeah, this is like the most just actual,

2428
01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:17,360
Speaker 3: straight up nineteen thirty is Nazi shit that we've seen

2429
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:18,320
Speaker 3: from them.

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Speaker 6: Like, yes, it's hideous, Yeah, it's happening here in San Diego,

2431
01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:29,200
Speaker 6: but it's also of course like as Californian as we

2432
01:58:29,240 --> 01:58:33,720
Speaker 6: are entering this time with the most cowardly and like

2433
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:36,440
Speaker 6: pathetic governor that we've had in a long time, like

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01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:38,640
Speaker 6: Arnolds Tortenego is a Republican, But I bad you'd have

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01:58:38,680 --> 01:58:41,880
Speaker 6: handled this better than Nuisance, who is just a slime ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the fact that Newsom isn't like like, if

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01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:47,280
Speaker 3: this was happening in fucking Illinois, Pritscrew would have swat

2438
01:58:47,400 --> 01:58:50,840
Speaker 3: teams like these, these these people would be like dead

2439
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:55,879
Speaker 3: right now, but like this is this is completely fucking unhinged.

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01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:59,440
Speaker 13: Yeah, no, this is the fuck. Yeah, James, I was,

2441
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:01,560
Speaker 13: I was muster good news after the break.

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01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:05,200
Speaker 3: You're right, Garrison and I do have some lucky you.

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01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:10,440
Speaker 6: Finally, a judge has ordered that Trump's sweeping asylum ban

2444
01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:15,480
Speaker 6: exceeds his authority as president and granted broad class protection.

2445
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:18,160
Speaker 6: So we're going to see, like literally this happened maybe

2446
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:21,520
Speaker 6: thirty minutes before before we started recording. I'm going to

2447
01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:24,320
Speaker 6: read over the court documents I've linked them in the

2448
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:27,520
Speaker 6: notes here until what this means. But it suggests that

2449
01:59:27,960 --> 01:59:31,480
Speaker 6: Trump's authority under the Immigration Naturalization Act doesn't allow him

2450
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:34,520
Speaker 6: to just say we're not doing asylum anymore, and therefore

2451
01:59:34,680 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 6: that could mean that it's possible for people to once

2452
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:40,960
Speaker 6: again apply for asylum in the United States. I don't

2453
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:44,120
Speaker 6: know how that will look. The Biden administration had great

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01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:48,800
Speaker 6: success dating asylum through CBP one right and making it

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01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:52,240
Speaker 6: practically impossible for many people, people who have darker skin,

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01:59:52,360 --> 01:59:55,200
Speaker 6: people who don't have fancy as cell phone, people don't

2457
01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:56,960
Speaker 6: have access to Wi Fi et cetera, et cetera, to

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01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 6: apply for asylum. That was a Biden administration. The people

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01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:03,160
Speaker 6: who we're supposed to think of good they were terrible

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02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:06,600
Speaker 6: for migrants, but they did they got that, they got

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02:00:06,640 --> 02:00:10,600
Speaker 6: that through, right. So what we'll see from the Trump administration,

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Speaker 6: I don't imagine we will see a return to like

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Speaker 6: regular title light asylum processing as we saw like the

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02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:19,560
Speaker 6: last time we saw it, I guess within the Obama area,

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02:00:19,640 --> 02:00:20,480
Speaker 6: and that was pretty bad.

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02:00:21,200 --> 02:00:23,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know what we'll see.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, all right, now I'm going to throw two Robert

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02:00:25,880 --> 02:00:28,960
Speaker 13: Evans for a special report on the Diddy trial.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Robert here. I guess I'm a resident p

2470
02:00:32,360 --> 02:00:34,920
Speaker 2: Didy expert because I did the Bastards episodes on him.

2471
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:37,040
Speaker 2: Just felt like it was appropriate to give y'all a

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02:00:37,120 --> 02:00:40,440
Speaker 2: brief update. So on the day that we record this,

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Speaker 2: which is Wednesday, the second of July, Sean Diddy Combs

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02:00:46,200 --> 02:00:48,880
Speaker 2: was found guilty on two of the five charges in

2475
02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:52,440
Speaker 2: his trial. He was being charged with racketeering, conspiracy and

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02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:55,880
Speaker 2: sex trafficking, and he was not found guilty of racketeering,

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02:00:55,880 --> 02:00:59,360
Speaker 2: conspiracy or of both sex trafficking accounts, each of which

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02:00:59,400 --> 02:01:02,800
Speaker 2: carried fifty near mandatory minimums, but he was found guilty

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02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:06,240
Speaker 2: on two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution. These

2480
02:01:06,280 --> 02:01:08,520
Speaker 2: were for one for a woman who was pudent into Jane,

2481
02:01:08,600 --> 02:01:12,880
Speaker 2: and one for his former partner, Cassie Ventura. So you know,

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02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:16,960
Speaker 2: this is not what people who understand the case had

2483
02:01:17,080 --> 02:01:21,680
Speaker 2: hoped entirely, right, Like, this is not ideal, It's not nothing,

2484
02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:23,400
Speaker 2: but it's not ideal.

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02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:25,920
Speaker 3: Now, if you can't like why did this happen? Right?

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02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:29,000
Speaker 2: Why didn't he get convicted on these higher charges he

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02:01:29,040 --> 02:01:32,160
Speaker 2: was absolutely guilty of? And it's because the prosecutors focked up, Right,

2488
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:35,720
Speaker 2: there were a number of different felony charges they could

2489
02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:38,240
Speaker 2: have gone after him for that were less difficult to

2490
02:01:38,280 --> 02:01:40,600
Speaker 2: prove than racketeering and sex trafficking and did he had

2491
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Speaker 2: good lawyers?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:43,440
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of weirdness about, like, well, they

2494
02:01:43,480 --> 02:01:45,440
Speaker 2: didn't go after him for the guns and drugs that

2495
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:47,800
Speaker 2: he had both at his properties, or for a number

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Speaker 2: of the other things that they could have done after him.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is because prosecutors have to make choices

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02:01:52,200 --> 02:01:55,120
Speaker 2: as to like what to charge someone with, and they

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02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:56,920
Speaker 2: tried for some of the harder stuff that was always

2500
02:01:56,920 --> 02:01:59,240
Speaker 2: going to be a little more difficult to prove. Now,

2501
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Speaker 2: the two charge he's been convicted on, he could do

2502
02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:03,200
Speaker 2: up to twenty years each shows up to a maximum

2503
02:02:03,240 --> 02:02:05,280
Speaker 2: ten year sentence, so he could get sentenced to do

2504
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:08,360
Speaker 2: ten years for each. Prosecutors have said that they're looking

2505
02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:10,320
Speaker 2: for a four to five year prison sentence, which I

2506
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:13,760
Speaker 2: think is much too light. Twenty years would be I

2507
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:17,200
Speaker 2: would say, like, okay, that's that's a serious punishment.

2508
02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:18,720
Speaker 3: Anything over it. You know, ten years are over.

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02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:20,680
Speaker 2: I would say, that's still at least you know, we

2510
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:22,280
Speaker 2: can say it's not all the things he should have

2511
02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:24,280
Speaker 2: been convicted on, but that's not You can't know. No

2512
02:02:24,280 --> 02:02:26,320
Speaker 2: one's going to spit it ten years in prison, especially

2513
02:02:26,360 --> 02:02:28,240
Speaker 2: at his age. He's in his mid fifties right now.

2514
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:31,960
Speaker 2: But four or five years, you know, I wouldn't quite

2515
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:33,560
Speaker 2: say that's a slap on the wrist, but it's not

2516
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:37,160
Speaker 2: nearly what is deserved here right now. You do with

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02:02:37,480 --> 02:02:39,640
Speaker 2: federal sentences like this, tend to serve a lot more

2518
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:41,200
Speaker 2: of this. This is not a hope and he'll be

2519
02:02:41,240 --> 02:02:43,840
Speaker 2: out in a year kind of situation. One of the

2520
02:02:43,880 --> 02:02:46,200
Speaker 2: things that's kind of worth noting here is that he

2521
02:02:46,360 --> 02:02:48,920
Speaker 2: and his team did ask for bail while he waited

2522
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:51,840
Speaker 2: for because next week he's going to they're going to

2523
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:54,200
Speaker 2: like set up when he's going to get sentenced. Right,

2524
02:02:54,840 --> 02:02:56,840
Speaker 2: So that doesn't mean he'll be sentenced next week, but

2525
02:02:56,920 --> 02:02:58,640
Speaker 2: they'll be scheduling as sentencing next week.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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02:02:58,880 --> 02:03:02,200
Speaker 2: The legal system moves pretty slow. And his team asked

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02:03:02,240 --> 02:03:04,400
Speaker 2: for bail. There's evidence that he had people like setting

2529
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:08,480
Speaker 2: up getting extra security up around his primary home and

2530
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:10,200
Speaker 2: they were kind of expecting him to be able to

2531
02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:13,120
Speaker 2: go home today. That's not going to happen. The judge

2532
02:03:13,280 --> 02:03:15,680
Speaker 2: has denied his bail. This is after one of his

2533
02:03:15,800 --> 02:03:19,480
Speaker 2: accusers basically said, hey, I think this guy is really dangerous.

2534
02:03:19,480 --> 02:03:22,560
Speaker 2: He has a history of going after his accusers. I

2535
02:03:22,600 --> 02:03:24,919
Speaker 2: don't feel safe with him out, you know, before sentencing,

2536
02:03:25,480 --> 02:03:27,880
Speaker 2: and that's maybe a good sign that maybe the judge

2537
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:30,040
Speaker 2: will go further than the prosecutors. So though I don't

2538
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:33,040
Speaker 2: know if that's likely. Again, I'll be like, Okay, well,

2539
02:03:33,040 --> 02:03:35,760
Speaker 2: at least this is serious. If he gets ten years

2540
02:03:35,960 --> 02:03:38,320
Speaker 2: or something like that. If it is four or five,

2541
02:03:38,440 --> 02:03:41,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to be pretty frustrated. But you know that's

2542
02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:43,879
Speaker 2: the case. This is we are talking about a billionaire

2543
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:47,480
Speaker 2: going to core here, so any serious prison sentence is

2544
02:03:48,240 --> 02:03:50,080
Speaker 2: more than you usually would expect. And this is a

2545
02:03:50,120 --> 02:03:52,360
Speaker 2: guy who's been used to living with kind of impunity

2546
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:55,800
Speaker 2: for a while, and if he spends years in prison,

2547
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:59,600
Speaker 2: either way, it's not totally impunity. But yeah, not ideal.

2548
02:04:00,120 --> 02:04:02,720
Speaker 2: That's the situation as it stands right now with P Diddy.

2549
02:04:02,920 --> 02:04:05,360
Speaker 2: You know, we'll see again next week. They're going to

2550
02:04:05,400 --> 02:04:09,400
Speaker 2: schedule his sentencing, so yeah, we'll see how things shake out.

2551
02:04:10,360 --> 02:04:12,880
Speaker 13: Now we'll pass over to me to discuss our second

2552
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:18,520
Speaker 13: main story this episode, the formerly named One Big Beautiful Bill.

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02:04:19,080 --> 02:04:23,480
Speaker 3: Oh God. So actually reading through this, I refuse to

2554
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:25,800
Speaker 3: call this anything over in the genocide budget because this

2555
02:04:26,200 --> 02:04:29,720
Speaker 3: budget what is designed to do is a genocide and

2556
02:04:29,960 --> 02:04:32,320
Speaker 3: that's not an exaggeration.

2557
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:35,280
Speaker 13: Well, there's multiple types of killing included in this bill,

2558
02:04:35,400 --> 02:04:38,480
Speaker 13: not just genocide. Yeah, the medicare cuts, I think that's true.

2559
02:04:38,480 --> 02:04:40,840
Speaker 13: Aren't aren't technically genocide, but they but they could lead

2560
02:04:40,920 --> 02:04:43,720
Speaker 13: to mass death, So we should be we should be inclusive.

2561
02:04:44,160 --> 02:04:45,760
Speaker 13: We should be inclusive of all the types of death.

2562
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:48,200
Speaker 13: I think we'll get into the medicaid shit later. We

2563
02:04:48,360 --> 02:04:51,520
Speaker 13: need to start with the mass deportation. We want to

2564
02:04:51,560 --> 02:04:53,240
Speaker 13: do an ethnic cleansing. We want you to just simply

2565
02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:55,200
Speaker 13: wipe out entire people as you'll live in the US

2566
02:04:56,120 --> 02:04:59,360
Speaker 13: and like fucking dig depots them from this country. Right,

2567
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:02,040
Speaker 13: And by we you mean the bill, not you Mia

2568
02:05:02,160 --> 02:05:03,680
Speaker 13: Wong or US school zone media.

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02:05:03,800 --> 02:05:05,480
Speaker 3: Yeah no, by yeah, by bye bye, We I mean

2570
02:05:05,480 --> 02:05:07,520
Speaker 3: the Republican Party who fucking wrote this bill?

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Speaker 6: Okay, just checking.

2572
02:05:08,720 --> 02:05:10,720
Speaker 3: So, okay, what is actually in this So there's a

2573
02:05:10,840 --> 02:05:13,880
Speaker 3: very good writeup of this from the American Immigration Council

2574
02:05:14,240 --> 02:05:17,160
Speaker 3: and a lot of the stuff is from there. Okay.

2575
02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:20,640
Speaker 3: So across homeland security and government affairs, the judiciary, and

2576
02:05:20,760 --> 02:05:24,080
Speaker 3: the military. The version of the budget that just passed

2577
02:05:24,120 --> 02:05:29,640
Speaker 3: the Senate allocates one hundred and seventy billion dollars to

2578
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:32,760
Speaker 3: their fucking unhinged deportation ship. This would be the third

2579
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:36,400
Speaker 3: largest military budget in the world. It is thirty percent

2580
02:05:36,600 --> 02:05:39,760
Speaker 3: larger than the military budget of Russia, which is currently

2581
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:43,680
Speaker 3: fighting an active, full scale ground war. Right. This is

2582
02:05:43,720 --> 02:05:45,800
Speaker 3: a genocide budget. They are trying to get one hundred

2583
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:48,600
Speaker 3: and seventy billion dollars for all of their board enforcement

2584
02:05:48,640 --> 02:05:51,440
Speaker 3: shit because they want to do a genocide. They're trying

2585
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:54,000
Speaker 3: to remove entire peoples from the United States, and to

2586
02:05:54,120 --> 02:05:56,840
Speaker 3: do that they need this kind of money. Yeah, so

2587
02:05:57,040 --> 02:05:58,560
Speaker 3: let's let's let's break down a little bit of where

2588
02:05:58,600 --> 02:06:00,720
Speaker 3: this money's fucking going We're gonna do a longer thing.

2589
02:06:00,760 --> 02:06:03,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do a longer episode about this thing, probably Tuesday,

2590
02:06:04,480 --> 02:06:07,040
Speaker 3: like everything else in this budget, but this needs to

2591
02:06:07,160 --> 02:06:12,120
Speaker 3: be understood. They're running forty five billion dollars specifically for

2592
02:06:12,240 --> 02:06:16,160
Speaker 3: immigration detention, and, as the American Immigration Council points out,

2593
02:06:16,760 --> 02:06:20,760
Speaker 3: that is at minimum five and a half billion more

2594
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:24,960
Speaker 3: dollars per year than the entire budget of the entire

2595
02:06:25,080 --> 02:06:31,920
Speaker 3: federal prison system. Yeah, what the shit? That's again at minimum,

2596
02:06:31,960 --> 02:06:33,800
Speaker 3: that's it's like fourteen it's like fourteen and a half

2597
02:06:33,800 --> 02:06:40,600
Speaker 3: billion at minimum for detention, just just framgration attention. Again, significantly,

2598
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:44,400
Speaker 3: like over fifty percent larger than the budget for the

2599
02:06:44,640 --> 02:06:47,040
Speaker 3: fucking entire federal prison system. They want to put into this.

2600
02:06:47,600 --> 02:06:49,960
Speaker 3: They're also giving out three point five billion dollars to

2601
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:52,640
Speaker 3: state and local government spent on working with ICE. The

2602
02:06:52,720 --> 02:06:55,320
Speaker 3: American Immgration Council estimates this could be one hundred and

2603
02:06:55,320 --> 02:06:58,720
Speaker 3: twenty five thousand holding beds for people, which is and

2604
02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:02,040
Speaker 3: I quote, only just a bit below the current population

2605
02:07:02,160 --> 02:07:03,840
Speaker 3: of the entire federal prison system.

2606
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:05,960
Speaker 13: They basically want to create a whole new prison system

2607
02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:07,280
Speaker 13: just for immigrants.

2608
02:07:07,400 --> 02:07:09,520
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and again and again, and I cannot emphasize

2609
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:12,080
Speaker 3: this enough. The United States has one of the largest

2610
02:07:12,080 --> 02:07:16,240
Speaker 3: prison systems on Earth, and they want to the the largest.

2611
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:21,040
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's technically smaller than the Chinese. Actually,

2612
02:07:21,080 --> 02:07:22,640
Speaker 3: let let let me actually pull the numbers up. Yeah,

2613
02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:26,240
Speaker 3: I think it's technically for America per capita. Yeah, it's

2614
02:07:26,280 --> 02:07:28,640
Speaker 3: like it's like there's like no contest. Yeah. Well, the

2615
02:07:28,640 --> 02:07:31,160
Speaker 3: statistics are weird because there's countries that have like a

2616
02:07:31,240 --> 02:07:33,720
Speaker 3: really really small number of people, sure like in terms

2617
02:07:33,760 --> 02:07:36,520
Speaker 3: of like large countries or major countries for major companies,

2618
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:38,800
Speaker 3: not even close. Yeah, not even close. And then now

2619
02:07:38,840 --> 02:07:41,120
Speaker 3: obviously that's also kind of like state prisons, but like

2620
02:07:41,200 --> 02:07:43,120
Speaker 3: still with the far federal prison systm is still like

2621
02:07:44,200 --> 02:07:47,240
Speaker 3: unfathomably massive. Yeah, and they basically want to double the

2622
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:50,840
Speaker 3: size of its specifically just to fucking do this, just

2623
02:07:51,040 --> 02:07:54,160
Speaker 3: just to do these deportations. There's thirty billion dollars in

2624
02:07:54,280 --> 02:07:58,280
Speaker 3: this for direct deportations and just like the higher ten

2625
02:07:58,360 --> 02:08:00,000
Speaker 3: thousands more ICE agents.

2626
02:07:59,720 --> 02:08:02,480
Speaker 13: Which Trump's also been calling for in executive orders.

2627
02:08:02,600 --> 02:08:05,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is forty eight billion dollars for building the

2628
02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:09,520
Speaker 3: wall and like border inflict physical border enforcement infrastructure. There's

2629
02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:14,280
Speaker 3: an additional five billion dollars for checkpoints and like border patrol,

2630
02:08:14,640 --> 02:08:18,000
Speaker 3: like facilities, not posts, and shit. There's also about fifteen

2631
02:08:18,080 --> 02:08:21,320
Speaker 3: billion dollars for states to do deportation.

2632
02:08:21,400 --> 02:08:21,600
Speaker 5: Shit.

2633
02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:24,960
Speaker 3: There's so much unhinged anti immigrant shit in this bill

2634
02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:26,520
Speaker 3: that like, again, I can't, we don't have time to

2635
02:08:26,520 --> 02:08:26,920
Speaker 3: get into it.

2636
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:27,160
Speaker 5: Yere.

2637
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:29,440
Speaker 3: This is going to be a full episode on fucking Tuesday.

2638
02:08:29,920 --> 02:08:32,160
Speaker 13: This is why you have people like Steven Miller trying

2639
02:08:32,200 --> 02:08:35,120
Speaker 13: to rally the whole party in support of this bill,

2640
02:08:35,160 --> 02:08:39,040
Speaker 13: which massively raises the deficit, something that Elon's been complaining

2641
02:08:39,080 --> 02:08:40,480
Speaker 13: about quite famously.

2642
02:08:40,680 --> 02:08:42,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, five trillion dollar hole in the budget. It doesn't matter.

2643
02:08:43,200 --> 02:08:46,240
Speaker 13: Now there's all these Republican congressmen who constantly complain about

2644
02:08:46,720 --> 02:08:50,520
Speaker 13: the federal debt, who are totally fine increasing the federal

2645
02:08:50,640 --> 02:08:56,120
Speaker 13: debt massively, people compromising their fiscal conservatism yep, in support

2646
02:08:56,160 --> 02:08:58,120
Speaker 13: of a bill that furthers the United States as a

2647
02:08:58,160 --> 02:09:01,160
Speaker 13: white supremacist penal colony. And at the end of there's

2648
02:09:01,160 --> 02:09:03,080
Speaker 13: the congressmen vote against it, then that will be used

2649
02:09:03,120 --> 02:09:06,440
Speaker 13: against them in future elections. Being flanked from further on

2650
02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:09,480
Speaker 13: the right with attack ads claiming that these senators failed

2651
02:09:09,560 --> 02:09:12,840
Speaker 13: to round up the illegals in not voting for the

2652
02:09:12,920 --> 02:09:14,120
Speaker 13: big beautiful budget bill.

2653
02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:16,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I want to point this out, like they're

2654
02:09:16,720 --> 02:09:20,000
Speaker 3: not gonna stop at immigrants. I need to make this

2655
02:09:20,160 --> 02:09:21,080
Speaker 3: incredibly clear.

2656
02:09:21,320 --> 02:09:23,240
Speaker 13: Once you have this infrastructure, you have to use it.

2657
02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:23,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2658
02:09:24,040 --> 02:09:26,240
Speaker 3: Okay, Look like the people on the on like the

2659
02:09:26,360 --> 02:09:28,520
Speaker 3: furthest left of the US have talked about for a

2660
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:30,000
Speaker 3: long time, but this is a country that is built

2661
02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:34,880
Speaker 3: on genocide, right. This is an apparatus that is designed

2662
02:09:35,080 --> 02:09:41,240
Speaker 3: to turn the US specifically into a machine to and again,

2663
02:09:41,680 --> 02:09:42,920
Speaker 3: and I need to point this out. The definition of

2664
02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:46,320
Speaker 3: genocide includes like like removing people from a place, right, Like,

2665
02:09:46,440 --> 02:09:48,920
Speaker 3: that is a genocide. If you force a bunch of

2666
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:51,480
Speaker 3: people to if you fucking round them up, put them

2667
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:54,440
Speaker 3: into camps, and then fucking send them somewhere else, that's

2668
02:09:54,440 --> 02:09:55,960
Speaker 3: a genocide. That is what they are trying to do.

2669
02:09:56,480 --> 02:09:59,560
Speaker 3: Like Laura Lumer has been talking today about like the

2670
02:09:59,680 --> 02:10:01,960
Speaker 3: numbers she was citing with sixty five million people, which

2671
02:10:01,960 --> 02:10:04,040
Speaker 3: is just every Latino person in the entire US. Yeah,

2672
02:10:04,080 --> 02:10:05,000
Speaker 3: that's Latino people.

2673
02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:06,160
Speaker 6: That's what she's talking about.

2674
02:10:06,080 --> 02:10:09,080
Speaker 13: Specifically talking about how she wants to feed them to alligators,

2675
02:10:09,120 --> 02:10:10,080
Speaker 13: which we'll talk about later.

2676
02:10:10,200 --> 02:10:12,880
Speaker 6: Yes, the context of the number was feeding them to allegates.

2677
02:10:13,000 --> 02:10:15,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, So, like Trump has been joking for

2678
02:10:15,160 --> 02:10:17,840
Speaker 3: a long time about how if Stephen Miller got his way,

2679
02:10:17,840 --> 02:10:19,520
Speaker 3: there would be like one hundred and fifteen million people

2680
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:21,320
Speaker 3: in this cushion and they would all look like Stephen Miller,

2681
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:24,720
Speaker 3: like that's where they're going. And that's not like, oh,

2682
02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:26,920
Speaker 3: this is blah blah blah. You're like, this is the

2683
02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:29,000
Speaker 3: infrastructure for them to be able to do this. And

2684
02:10:29,160 --> 02:10:33,640
Speaker 3: so like, killing this fucking bill is unbelievably important. We're

2685
02:10:33,640 --> 02:10:35,840
Speaker 3: going to get into more of the fucking unhinshit in here.

2686
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:38,120
Speaker 3: But like they only passed it by one vote in

2687
02:10:38,200 --> 02:10:40,840
Speaker 3: the House last time. Yeah, and because of the way

2688
02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:45,120
Speaker 3: that that reconciliation works, right, if anything changes in the

2689
02:10:45,160 --> 02:10:46,720
Speaker 3: House version of the bill, it has to go back

2690
02:10:46,760 --> 02:10:49,280
Speaker 3: to the Senate, where they also only barely passed it

2691
02:10:49,720 --> 02:10:51,800
Speaker 3: by like buying off Susan Collins.

2692
02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:53,480
Speaker 13: It was a fifty to fifty split.

2693
02:10:53,800 --> 02:10:57,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, in this Senate. Yeah, with like Makowski voting for it,

2694
02:10:58,040 --> 02:10:58,680
Speaker 6: for example.

2695
02:10:59,120 --> 02:11:02,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like you know, on the one hand, being

2696
02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:05,440
Speaker 3: able to pass this bill is precarious. On the other hand,

2697
02:11:05,680 --> 02:11:09,160
Speaker 3: if they do it. That limits the window for which

2698
02:11:09,200 --> 02:11:12,280
Speaker 3: we have to like make ice nonfunctional a lot because

2699
02:11:12,280 --> 02:11:13,920
Speaker 3: as they ramp up this capacity. It's going to take

2700
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:15,280
Speaker 3: them a while to ramp up this capacity, right, even

2701
02:11:15,280 --> 02:11:17,960
Speaker 3: if this passes, But like they haven't had the capacity

2702
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:19,680
Speaker 3: to do the genocide they've been trying to do, right,

2703
02:11:20,520 --> 02:11:22,520
Speaker 3: this will give it to them with this, with this

2704
02:11:22,640 --> 02:11:25,800
Speaker 3: amount of resources. Yeah, with the third largest military budget

2705
02:11:25,840 --> 02:11:27,960
Speaker 3: in the world, they can do this kind of shit,

2706
02:11:28,720 --> 02:11:30,400
Speaker 3: and we have to stop them before they get there.

2707
02:11:30,680 --> 02:11:33,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like this is one of those call everyone you

2708
02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:37,640
Speaker 6: can in Congress situations, like not always a big call

2709
02:11:37,640 --> 02:11:38,360
Speaker 6: your ramp person.

2710
02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to get to at the end of this,

2711
02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:45,880
Speaker 3: like how we've actually met. We've gotten provisions killed from

2712
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:47,360
Speaker 3: this bill already. We're going to get to that later.

2713
02:11:47,680 --> 02:11:51,040
Speaker 3: We also need to talk about the Medicaid shit, because Garrison,

2714
02:11:51,080 --> 02:11:52,320
Speaker 3: you were saying, Oh, I don't think this can be

2715
02:11:52,360 --> 02:11:54,919
Speaker 3: considered the genocide, but it's so killing. I actually disagree

2716
02:11:54,960 --> 02:11:59,040
Speaker 3: with that, because, Okay, let's explain what's going on with Medicaid.

2717
02:11:59,120 --> 02:12:01,280
Speaker 3: They want to do a brillion dollars of cuts. I

2718
02:12:01,320 --> 02:12:03,960
Speaker 3: think it's like just slightly under a trillion or maybe

2719
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:06,480
Speaker 3: it's actually a trillion dollars of cuts over the next

2720
02:12:06,520 --> 02:12:09,560
Speaker 3: ten years to Medicaid. They want to put an eighty

2721
02:12:09,600 --> 02:12:13,120
Speaker 3: hour a month work requirement from Medicaid and food stamps. Now,

2722
02:12:13,360 --> 02:12:16,680
Speaker 3: if you are disabled, right, this is just like a

2723
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:19,960
Speaker 3: fuck you die proposal because there are a lot of

2724
02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:21,920
Speaker 3: people who fucking can't work eighty hours in a month,

2725
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:24,240
Speaker 3: and this is just like literally each hit and die.

2726
02:12:24,920 --> 02:12:25,040
Speaker 5: Right.

2727
02:12:25,640 --> 02:12:28,880
Speaker 3: They're also expanding this shit the work requirements to They

2728
02:12:28,920 --> 02:12:31,400
Speaker 3: want these work requirements to apply to people who have

2729
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:35,280
Speaker 3: children ages thirteen and older. So if you are trying

2730
02:12:35,280 --> 02:12:37,760
Speaker 3: to like raise a child, fuck you eat shit and die.

2731
02:12:38,320 --> 02:12:41,640
Speaker 3: And again also like this is both Medicaid and SNAP,

2732
02:12:42,240 --> 02:12:45,760
Speaker 3: so this is a targeted The estimates by the CBO,

2733
02:12:46,040 --> 02:12:48,720
Speaker 3: this is per PBS, the Correctional Bunchet Office estimates that

2734
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:52,680
Speaker 3: it will by twenty to thirty four, eighteen point eight

2735
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:56,840
Speaker 3: million people will be uninsured from this. It will get

2736
02:12:56,920 --> 02:13:00,160
Speaker 3: three million people off of food stamps at a lot

2737
02:13:00,160 --> 02:13:01,720
Speaker 3: of those people are just going to be disabled and

2738
02:13:02,080 --> 02:13:04,560
Speaker 3: unbelievable numbers people of those people are going to fucking die,

2739
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:07,840
Speaker 3: And that's the point of this, right. Also, it's going

2740
02:13:07,920 --> 02:13:10,280
Speaker 3: to be just hideous for trans people who use Medicaid

2741
02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:13,320
Speaker 3: and SNAP at enormous rates because disabled and trans people

2742
02:13:13,360 --> 02:13:16,480
Speaker 3: are like the two poorest populations in the US. It's

2743
02:13:16,880 --> 02:13:17,720
Speaker 3: fucking hideous.

2744
02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:21,680
Speaker 13: These systems are already so hard to get in on

2745
02:13:21,880 --> 02:13:24,800
Speaker 13: and stay on, like both, like both SNAP and Medicaid,

2746
02:13:25,120 --> 02:13:30,040
Speaker 13: requires substantial revisions and reforms to make them easier to access.

2747
02:13:30,360 --> 02:13:33,000
Speaker 13: To strengthen the infrastructure capacity of these things to get

2748
02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:35,520
Speaker 13: more people on them, they need more funding. This is

2749
02:13:36,240 --> 02:13:39,320
Speaker 13: basically trying to take an already kind of dying system

2750
02:13:39,400 --> 02:13:41,000
Speaker 13: and just take it out of back and shoot it

2751
02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:41,440
Speaker 13: in the head.

2752
02:13:41,600 --> 02:13:41,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2753
02:13:42,040 --> 02:13:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, and they intentionally just want it to be

2754
02:13:44,640 --> 02:13:46,800
Speaker 3: like harder and more frustrating and shitty to use, Like

2755
02:13:47,000 --> 02:13:49,040
Speaker 3: they literally rolled back that part of this bill is

2756
02:13:49,120 --> 02:13:51,000
Speaker 3: rolling back a bunch of reforms that Biden made to

2757
02:13:51,040 --> 02:13:53,480
Speaker 3: make it like slightly easier to get on. Yeah, and

2758
02:13:53,600 --> 02:13:55,320
Speaker 3: this is just going like, yeah, fuck you. This is

2759
02:13:55,360 --> 02:13:59,680
Speaker 3: going to be an absolute fucking catastrophe, not just because

2760
02:14:00,120 --> 02:14:02,440
Speaker 3: of the people that it immediately affects, although it is

2761
02:14:02,520 --> 02:14:05,280
Speaker 3: again going to kill unbelievable numbers of people. The other

2762
02:14:05,400 --> 02:14:07,360
Speaker 3: thing with this is that this is going to fucking

2763
02:14:07,400 --> 02:14:11,240
Speaker 3: annihilate rural hospitals, because rural hospitals get a huge amount

2764
02:14:11,360 --> 02:14:15,160
Speaker 3: of their money for Medicaid. And you know, there's a

2765
02:14:15,240 --> 02:14:17,360
Speaker 3: very good Kaiser Family Foundation report where they talk about

2766
02:14:17,360 --> 02:14:19,560
Speaker 3: how like, yeah, one in four people in rural areas

2767
02:14:19,680 --> 02:14:23,880
Speaker 3: get their health insurance from Medicaid, and it's estimated one

2768
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:28,080
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty five billion dollars decrease in in money

2769
02:14:28,120 --> 02:14:30,160
Speaker 3: to hospitals and rural regions over the course of a decade.

2770
02:14:30,520 --> 02:14:33,760
Speaker 3: Those hospitals are already closing. Those hospitals are fucking gone.

2771
02:14:33,880 --> 02:14:37,040
Speaker 3: Like the this if this fucking passes as is and

2772
02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:38,640
Speaker 3: there is a provision in there, I that's like, oh,

2773
02:14:38,680 --> 02:14:41,560
Speaker 3: we're gonna spend fifty billion dollars on like to give

2774
02:14:41,600 --> 02:14:43,720
Speaker 3: money to royal hospitals. That's not enough. That's like that's

2775
02:14:43,720 --> 02:14:45,760
Speaker 3: a third of the amount that they're getting cut by, right,

2776
02:14:46,160 --> 02:14:48,240
Speaker 3: like and even and even if those hospitals are open,

2777
02:14:48,360 --> 02:14:49,560
Speaker 3: how the fuck are people going to pay for the

2778
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:52,480
Speaker 3: treatments because they're now kickoff Medicaid. But this is going

2779
02:14:52,520 --> 02:14:57,080
Speaker 3: to fucking just absolutely eviscerate like the tiny remains of

2780
02:14:57,160 --> 02:14:59,840
Speaker 3: our rural healthcare system, which is a complete fucking shymbolic mess.

2781
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:02,720
Speaker 3: This is just going to fucking liquidate it. It is

2782
02:15:02,800 --> 02:15:05,560
Speaker 3: going to cause mass suffering and death on a scale

2783
02:15:05,680 --> 02:15:07,840
Speaker 3: that like we are going to look back at the

2784
02:15:07,880 --> 02:15:11,240
Speaker 3: height of the opioid crisis and like in fucking nostalgia

2785
02:15:11,560 --> 02:15:13,880
Speaker 3: because we're going to have the opioid crisis and this

2786
02:15:14,120 --> 02:15:18,400
Speaker 3: at the same time. So it's real, real, fucking bad.

2787
02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:20,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna mention a couple of other things that are

2788
02:15:20,040 --> 02:15:23,160
Speaker 3: in It's like, there's two points to this bill, right.

2789
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Speaker 3: One of the two points of it is to do

2790
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Speaker 3: is to again just like technically cleanse every non much

2791
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Speaker 3: person from the US. The second point of this bill

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02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:33,040
Speaker 3: is to give corporations four point five trillion dollars in

2793
02:15:33,120 --> 02:15:36,720
Speaker 3: tax cuts. It's mostly for rich people. That shit sucks.

2794
02:15:37,600 --> 02:15:40,600
Speaker 3: That's like the buy in for like the business people

2795
02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:43,080
Speaker 3: is you get these tax cuts. They also want to

2796
02:15:43,200 --> 02:15:45,640
Speaker 3: end the tax credit for electric cars because their response

2797
02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:48,760
Speaker 3: to climate change is fuck you die now again. As

2798
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:51,400
Speaker 3: I mentioned, this only passed in the House by one

2799
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Speaker 3: vote last time, and that was actually a less extreme

2800
02:15:53,600 --> 02:15:56,080
Speaker 3: version of the Well, okay, there were some there's some

2801
02:15:56,120 --> 02:15:57,520
Speaker 3: more union shit in it that we'll talk about in

2802
02:15:57,560 --> 02:16:00,200
Speaker 3: the other episode in the House version of it, but

2803
02:16:00,280 --> 02:16:03,200
Speaker 3: this only passed in the House by one vote, and

2804
02:16:03,280 --> 02:16:05,600
Speaker 3: it only passed by one vote because three Democrats died

2805
02:16:05,600 --> 02:16:09,880
Speaker 3: in office. Great system's great, So things going great. However, Comma,

2806
02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:12,920
Speaker 3: it is possible to like, like, it is possible to

2807
02:16:13,000 --> 02:16:15,320
Speaker 3: beat these people. It is possible to get shit cut

2808
02:16:15,400 --> 02:16:18,680
Speaker 3: from this fucking bill. To end on a positive note

2809
02:16:18,720 --> 02:16:21,080
Speaker 3: on this, we talked a bit last we.

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Speaker 13: Maybe last week, two weeks ago, one recent executive disorder.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're talked about I think it's on two

2812
02:16:28,120 --> 02:16:30,440
Speaker 3: different months now about how we beat the fucking ban

2813
02:16:30,600 --> 02:16:32,640
Speaker 3: on using Medicaid for trans healthcare. And by we, I

2814
02:16:32,760 --> 02:16:36,080
Speaker 3: mean a combination of trans journalists like Maddie Castigan, Bia Levine,

2815
02:16:36,240 --> 02:16:39,560
Speaker 3: David Forbes, or like resident trans policy analyst Kurvin Green.

2816
02:16:39,800 --> 02:16:41,880
Speaker 3: I did some work on it, not like a huge amount,

2817
02:16:41,959 --> 02:16:43,840
Speaker 3: but like, I don't know, like it a little bit.

2818
02:16:44,480 --> 02:16:46,440
Speaker 3: A lot of like local queer orgs did a bunch

2819
02:16:46,480 --> 02:16:50,279
Speaker 3: of really good work on this, and like quite frankly,

2820
02:16:50,400 --> 02:16:52,400
Speaker 3: like the other people who killed this as every single

2821
02:16:52,440 --> 02:16:54,400
Speaker 3: one of you who like fucking called and emailed and

2822
02:16:54,400 --> 02:16:58,080
Speaker 3: harasser senator like Ron Whiten, there was like there was

2823
02:16:58,160 --> 02:17:00,520
Speaker 3: there was there was queer orgs like lobbying directly, and

2824
02:17:00,560 --> 02:17:03,680
Speaker 3: then also his office got fucking flooded by shit from

2825
02:17:03,879 --> 02:17:07,920
Speaker 3: like you who went and like screamed at them until

2826
02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:11,280
Speaker 3: they stopped doing this. And because of that, we got

2827
02:17:11,320 --> 02:17:13,240
Speaker 3: this thing killed from the fucking bill, and the Republicans

2828
02:17:13,280 --> 02:17:16,200
Speaker 3: are so mad about it that like they could theoretically

2829
02:17:16,320 --> 02:17:17,800
Speaker 3: re add it to the House one and there is

2830
02:17:17,840 --> 02:17:19,720
Speaker 3: a chance where they get so mad that they readd

2831
02:17:19,760 --> 02:17:21,760
Speaker 3: this to the House bill, and then that causes the

2832
02:17:21,800 --> 02:17:23,640
Speaker 3: House bill to fail in the Senate because if they

2833
02:17:23,760 --> 02:17:26,440
Speaker 3: readd this into the House build then reconciliation fails and

2834
02:17:26,440 --> 02:17:28,280
Speaker 3: they had to go back to the Senate again. So

2835
02:17:28,560 --> 02:17:30,440
Speaker 3: you know, it is possible to fucking beat these people.

2836
02:17:31,040 --> 02:17:33,280
Speaker 3: And it's also important to understand that this was not

2837
02:17:33,440 --> 02:17:37,680
Speaker 3: done by like the giant national like gating, like huge

2838
02:17:37,800 --> 02:17:42,360
Speaker 3: nonprofit like Human Rights Commission, bullshit council stuff. They did

2839
02:17:42,400 --> 02:17:44,400
Speaker 3: a little bit of stuff on the fucking trailing end.

2840
02:17:44,520 --> 02:17:49,080
Speaker 3: This was accomplished almost entirely by a combination of non

2841
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:52,000
Speaker 3: white and working class trans journalists and organizers and just

2842
02:17:52,160 --> 02:17:54,640
Speaker 3: like a bunch of random fucking people who were like,

2843
02:17:54,760 --> 02:17:58,880
Speaker 3: each shit, fuck you get this out, and you know

2844
02:17:59,320 --> 02:18:01,880
Speaker 3: on a thing that would have killed unbelievab numbers of transpeople.

2845
02:18:01,879 --> 02:18:04,240
Speaker 3: We fought the Republican Party and we beat them, So

2846
02:18:04,920 --> 02:18:08,400
Speaker 3: this can be done. And this bill is not guaranteed

2847
02:18:08,680 --> 02:18:12,000
Speaker 3: to fucking pass. The bill can still be it can

2848
02:18:12,040 --> 02:18:14,520
Speaker 3: still be killed. Yeah, yeah, like it is.

2849
02:18:14,640 --> 02:18:14,880
Speaker 5: It is.

2850
02:18:15,320 --> 02:18:18,800
Speaker 3: It is devastating enough to like rural healthcare that even

2851
02:18:18,920 --> 02:18:22,199
Speaker 3: Republican senators are talking about not wanting to cut Medicaid.

2852
02:18:22,680 --> 02:18:25,640
Speaker 13: So it's a very unpopular bill. And when you tell

2853
02:18:26,200 --> 02:18:28,920
Speaker 13: just regular Republicans about the details of the bill, they

2854
02:18:29,320 --> 02:18:31,640
Speaker 13: don't like it. You can hey, they're being like the

2855
02:18:31,720 --> 02:18:35,120
Speaker 13: Republican media machine is being so selective and how they're

2856
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:38,000
Speaker 13: talking about the bill, because if you discuss the way

2857
02:18:38,120 --> 02:18:41,560
Speaker 13: that it just rips the heart out of Medicaid, that's

2858
02:18:41,840 --> 02:18:46,000
Speaker 13: not what most older Republicans want because they actually also

2859
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:48,520
Speaker 13: rely on Medicaid. So it's it's a it is a

2860
02:18:48,560 --> 02:18:51,400
Speaker 13: pretty unpopular bill, and the more people learn about the bill,

2861
02:18:51,680 --> 02:18:53,640
Speaker 13: the more they dislike it. And you can you can

2862
02:18:53,680 --> 02:18:54,480
Speaker 13: see stats on this.

2863
02:18:54,800 --> 02:18:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and the the unhinge thing about this right

2864
02:18:57,520 --> 02:18:59,880
Speaker 3: is that even with limited information most Republicans have about this,

2865
02:19:00,200 --> 02:19:02,760
Speaker 3: it still has like a twenty to thirty percent approval

2866
02:19:02,840 --> 02:19:06,720
Speaker 3: rating it's so unpopular even in the low information environment

2867
02:19:06,760 --> 02:19:08,959
Speaker 3: we're currently in. It it's like a twenty to thirty

2868
02:19:08,959 --> 02:19:11,279
Speaker 3: percent of proof rating. I think if everyone actually understood

2869
02:19:11,280 --> 02:19:12,600
Speaker 3: what was in the bill, I think it's roof rating

2870
02:19:12,600 --> 02:19:15,560
Speaker 3: would fucking drop even further. Yeah, nobody wants this, except

2871
02:19:15,720 --> 02:19:18,240
Speaker 3: except for like the overt genocide people.

2872
02:19:18,760 --> 02:19:22,120
Speaker 6: So most people, if they're not personally harmed, will know

2873
02:19:22,200 --> 02:19:23,600
Speaker 6: someone who's being personally harmed.

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02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:24,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2875
02:19:24,959 --> 02:19:28,440
Speaker 13: Do you know what is popular, James Uh? I can

2876
02:19:28,520 --> 02:19:32,240
Speaker 13: guess the products and services that support this podcast beautiful.

2877
02:19:32,640 --> 02:19:48,440
Speaker 3: Ooh you know what else is extremely popular? It is

2878
02:19:48,680 --> 02:19:51,280
Speaker 3: my hit theme song about tariffs. Let's fucking go.

2879
02:19:52,080 --> 02:20:01,840
Speaker 6: Sarry Ropy jazz rocky jazz Bart Sorry lacking.

2880
02:20:03,560 --> 02:20:06,840
Speaker 3: Rocking jazz rocking jazz bo.

2881
02:20:08,360 --> 02:20:08,600
Speaker 5: Mia.

2882
02:20:09,080 --> 02:20:10,680
Speaker 13: What do we have for tariff talk this week?

2883
02:20:10,879 --> 02:20:13,760
Speaker 3: So this is an important week for tariffs. Next week

2884
02:20:13,800 --> 02:20:17,800
Speaker 3: will be the really really critical one. So next allegedly, allegedly,

2885
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:20,240
Speaker 3: we'll see he's skeptical. So so next week, all of

2886
02:20:20,320 --> 02:20:22,720
Speaker 3: the tariffs on every other country in the world from

2887
02:20:22,840 --> 02:20:25,600
Speaker 3: the Liberation Day tarif tariffs are supposed to like come off.

2888
02:20:25,760 --> 02:20:26,760
Speaker 3: We're gonna see what happens.

2889
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Speaker 13: I've i've i've become, it could happen. Here's biggest tariff denier.

2890
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Speaker 13: I'm I'm the tariff denier conspiracy theorist.

2891
02:20:32,760 --> 02:20:35,720
Speaker 3: Well, so here's the Okay, So, so the Trump Minstration

2892
02:20:36,280 --> 02:20:38,760
Speaker 3: is claiming that they cut a deal with Vietnam again

2893
02:20:38,800 --> 02:20:40,600
Speaker 3: as a kind of recording on Wednesday. I haven't actually

2894
02:20:40,600 --> 02:20:44,000
Speaker 3: seen anything from like Vietnam confirming this. It's just worry about.

2895
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:48,040
Speaker 3: It's totally real. Who fucking knows. So the deal that

2896
02:20:48,160 --> 02:20:51,320
Speaker 3: he's saying is that Vietnam is going to levy or

2897
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:53,560
Speaker 3: you actually going to levey a twenty percent tariff on

2898
02:20:53,600 --> 02:20:56,000
Speaker 3: all goods from Vietnam and a forty percent tariff on

2899
02:20:56,080 --> 02:20:58,840
Speaker 3: goods that are produced elsewhere and moved through Vietnam. Now,

2900
02:20:59,400 --> 02:21:01,480
Speaker 3: I know we're used to like looking at like one

2901
02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:04,800
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty percent tariffs, but I cannot emphasize enough

2902
02:21:04,840 --> 02:21:06,680
Speaker 3: that a like a twenty percent teriffs on good on

2903
02:21:06,720 --> 02:21:09,920
Speaker 3: goods from Vietnam is also just fucking ruinous. Most terriiff

2904
02:21:09,959 --> 02:21:12,359
Speaker 3: coverage on Vietnam focuses on the fact that like companies

2905
02:21:12,400 --> 02:21:15,480
Speaker 3: like Nintendo, for example, deliberately move production to Vietnam to

2906
02:21:15,520 --> 02:21:18,800
Speaker 3: avoid tariffs on China. Now coverage is like this because

2907
02:21:18,800 --> 02:21:23,640
Speaker 3: all of these people fucking learned about Vietnam producing things

2908
02:21:23,879 --> 02:21:27,000
Speaker 3: like a week ago, they missed a decade of capital

2909
02:21:27,080 --> 02:21:29,400
Speaker 3: flight along. I mean it's a decade and a half

2910
02:21:29,480 --> 02:21:31,480
Speaker 3: released like twenty and eleven. A bunch of Trainese capital

2911
02:21:31,520 --> 02:21:33,600
Speaker 3: has been flowing into Vietnam, like down to the maycount delta.

2912
02:21:34,200 --> 02:21:36,400
Speaker 3: So these tariffs are not just affecting the ability of

2913
02:21:36,600 --> 02:21:39,560
Speaker 3: China to evade the terariffs on it by like moving

2914
02:21:40,080 --> 02:21:41,800
Speaker 3: products to other countries, which has been a lot of

2915
02:21:41,879 --> 02:21:44,720
Speaker 3: what's been keeping the inflation from just fucking exploding has

2916
02:21:44,800 --> 02:21:47,640
Speaker 3: been the ability of producers to rout goods through places

2917
02:21:47,680 --> 02:21:50,360
Speaker 3: like Vietnam. This is also hitting one of the world's

2918
02:21:50,400 --> 02:21:53,200
Speaker 3: largest manufacturing hubs right and at developing manufacturing hub that

2919
02:21:53,240 --> 02:21:55,320
Speaker 3: has very good infrastructure, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera

2920
02:21:55,560 --> 02:21:58,080
Speaker 3: that capital from China had been moving to. This is

2921
02:21:58,520 --> 02:22:02,160
Speaker 3: still even this twenty percent terariff on Vietnam is like catastrophic. Yeah,

2922
02:22:02,520 --> 02:22:05,240
Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens next week if the rest

2923
02:22:05,280 --> 02:22:07,720
Speaker 3: of the turf tariffs kick in. I don't know what's

2924
02:22:07,760 --> 02:22:10,039
Speaker 3: going to happen. Who fucking knows. I've been leaning towards

2925
02:22:10,080 --> 02:22:13,760
Speaker 3: I think they will. But yeah, even even this stuff

2926
02:22:13,959 --> 02:22:16,800
Speaker 3: is really fucking bad and we're gonna start seeing the

2927
02:22:16,840 --> 02:22:19,480
Speaker 3: impacts of it. But yeah, this has been tariff talk.

2928
02:22:19,800 --> 02:22:23,120
Speaker 13: There's there's enough skepticism in the market about the tariffs

2929
02:22:23,160 --> 02:22:26,600
Speaker 13: in general that so far, not not not all, but

2930
02:22:26,760 --> 02:22:29,680
Speaker 13: but most corporations have been eating the tariffs in this

2931
02:22:29,800 --> 02:22:33,440
Speaker 13: short term. Not all like famously, like like like Walmart

2932
02:22:33,520 --> 02:22:36,360
Speaker 13: like has been has been raising some prices, but a

2933
02:22:36,400 --> 02:22:40,000
Speaker 13: bunch of corporations have been eating the eating the costs

2934
02:22:40,440 --> 02:22:42,640
Speaker 13: because they do not think these will these will be

2935
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:45,959
Speaker 13: largely effective like long term, and I mean this will

2936
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:49,040
Speaker 13: slowly change, especially as as more of these start like

2937
02:22:49,520 --> 02:22:51,840
Speaker 13: being taken into effect on like a rolling basis. We'll

2938
02:22:51,879 --> 02:22:54,200
Speaker 13: probably see corporations adjust to this, and we'll see the

2939
02:22:54,320 --> 02:22:56,520
Speaker 13: market adjust to this. Yeah, but I think that's that's

2940
02:22:56,560 --> 02:23:00,879
Speaker 13: part of why maybe people haven't been seeing the massive

2941
02:23:01,000 --> 02:23:04,720
Speaker 13: price hikes that were expected back, you know, like two

2942
02:23:04,800 --> 02:23:05,240
Speaker 13: months ago.

2943
02:23:05,720 --> 02:23:05,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2944
02:23:06,120 --> 02:23:08,280
Speaker 3: Well, and I think also again the important thing here

2945
02:23:08,480 --> 02:23:10,480
Speaker 3: is what this is going to do to logistics firms,

2946
02:23:10,600 --> 02:23:15,040
Speaker 3: which have very very low margins, and right now they've

2947
02:23:15,080 --> 02:23:19,240
Speaker 3: been surviving by just running shit through other places. But like, again,

2948
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:22,360
Speaker 3: if this is if twenty percent is the rate on Vietnam,

2949
02:23:22,560 --> 02:23:24,760
Speaker 3: plus there's now a massive vicent of not to run

2950
02:23:24,800 --> 02:23:30,439
Speaker 3: goods through Vietnam. That's really bad because that like kneecaps

2951
02:23:30,560 --> 02:23:34,160
Speaker 3: the evasion tools people have been using. Yeah, so we'll

2952
02:23:34,200 --> 02:23:34,800
Speaker 3: see what happens.

2953
02:23:34,920 --> 02:23:36,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, wait for me and come into place.

2954
02:23:37,160 --> 02:23:41,280
Speaker 13: Yeah yeah, let's talk about Alligator Alcatraz.

2955
02:23:42,600 --> 02:23:43,920
Speaker 3: So fucking god.

2956
02:23:44,480 --> 02:23:47,920
Speaker 13: Florida's new immigration detention center has opened this Wednesday. It's

2957
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:50,960
Speaker 13: built on a remote airport with aircraft hangars outfitted with

2958
02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:54,400
Speaker 13: cages and bunk beds to incarcerate between three to five

2959
02:23:54,520 --> 02:23:57,520
Speaker 13: thousand people. The facility is surrounded by a mote of

2960
02:23:57,879 --> 02:24:03,560
Speaker 13: alligators and pythons. They're calling it to Alligator Alcatraz. It

2961
02:24:03,720 --> 02:24:05,920
Speaker 13: was designed to be the most efficient deportation machine in

2962
02:24:05,959 --> 02:24:09,800
Speaker 13: the country. National Guard members will act as immigration judges

2963
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:13,880
Speaker 13: on site to speed up deportation proceedings. I'm going to

2964
02:24:13,920 --> 02:24:18,520
Speaker 13: play a short clip here apologize for hearing DeSantis.

2965
02:24:18,920 --> 02:24:21,160
Speaker 11: I mean this is going to be Illegals will come in,

2966
02:24:21,240 --> 02:24:25,000
Speaker 11: they'll be processed, There'll be places for them to be housed.

2967
02:24:25,520 --> 02:24:28,760
Speaker 11: You'll have an ability for food, you'll be an ability

2968
02:24:28,840 --> 02:24:32,680
Speaker 11: for them to consult legal rights. If they have that

2969
02:24:33,120 --> 02:24:34,599
Speaker 11: because there is a process.

2970
02:24:34,240 --> 02:24:35,000
Speaker 3: That's involved with this.

2971
02:24:35,440 --> 02:24:38,040
Speaker 13: So the Florida Attorney General has called this a quote

2972
02:24:38,320 --> 02:24:43,800
Speaker 13: one stop shop for immigration enforcement. Come in, get your process,

2973
02:24:43,959 --> 02:24:48,760
Speaker 13: and fly out unquote Jesus. So immigrants will be flown here.

2974
02:24:48,959 --> 02:24:52,200
Speaker 13: They will have some degree of due process here, not

2975
02:24:52,520 --> 02:24:56,720
Speaker 13: really real due process, but enough nope to fast track

2976
02:24:56,840 --> 02:25:01,640
Speaker 13: their deportation. Stay basically at this facilit like less than

2977
02:25:01,680 --> 02:25:03,760
Speaker 13: a week, and get deported from it. It has a

2978
02:25:03,840 --> 02:25:06,760
Speaker 13: working airports. They want to start running thousands of people

2979
02:25:07,280 --> 02:25:10,960
Speaker 13: through his facility basically every week. Trump toured the facility

2980
02:25:11,000 --> 02:25:15,120
Speaker 13: on Tuesday and he said, quote Biden wanted me in here. Okay,

2981
02:25:15,520 --> 02:25:18,080
Speaker 13: he wanted me didn't work out that way, but he

2982
02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:20,840
Speaker 13: wanted me in here, that son of a bitch unquote,

2983
02:25:21,360 --> 02:25:23,520
Speaker 13: which is an insane thing to say, and but it

2984
02:25:23,600 --> 02:25:28,240
Speaker 13: gives you an actual look into why the current Trump

2985
02:25:28,480 --> 02:25:32,039
Speaker 13: administration and like like why Trump term two point zero

2986
02:25:32,640 --> 02:25:34,720
Speaker 13: is kind of different from one point no, because it's

2987
02:25:34,800 --> 02:25:38,920
Speaker 13: purely built on this like this like animosity. It's built

2988
02:25:38,959 --> 02:25:42,080
Speaker 13: on this idea that Trump thinks that the entire like

2989
02:25:42,600 --> 02:25:45,400
Speaker 13: entire world conspired against him to lock him up, and

2990
02:25:45,520 --> 02:25:48,160
Speaker 13: somehow he beat them and now he's getting his revenge

2991
02:25:48,200 --> 02:25:51,039
Speaker 13: on the entire world, right, This is what's that. That's

2992
02:25:51,080 --> 02:25:54,400
Speaker 13: how he's governing. It's because Biden wanted to send him

2993
02:25:54,440 --> 02:25:56,800
Speaker 13: to the alligator Alcatraz, but he was able to beat him,

2994
02:25:57,320 --> 02:26:00,600
Speaker 13: and now he's going to get revenge on everyone who's

2995
02:26:00,640 --> 02:26:02,640
Speaker 13: tried to stop him. And that's how he's running the

2996
02:26:02,680 --> 02:26:04,720
Speaker 13: country because that's the thing that he's obsessed with. He

2997
02:26:04,800 --> 02:26:07,000
Speaker 13: can't stop talking about Biden. He brings up Biden fucking

2998
02:26:07,080 --> 02:26:11,080
Speaker 13: every day because it's not about what Biden actually did.

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02:26:11,160 --> 02:26:15,000
Speaker 13: It's this like symbol of like everyone who's tried to

3000
02:26:15,120 --> 02:26:17,560
Speaker 13: like tried to beat me, everyone who's tried to like

3001
02:26:17,640 --> 02:26:20,760
Speaker 13: lock me up. Now I get to take my revenge

3002
02:26:20,760 --> 02:26:22,720
Speaker 13: out on them. They wanted to disappear me to this

3003
02:26:22,760 --> 02:26:26,240
Speaker 13: alligator concentration camp, which no they didn't because this thing

3004
02:26:26,280 --> 02:26:29,000
Speaker 13: fucking didn't exist a week ago. Like this, this facility

3005
02:26:29,080 --> 02:26:31,160
Speaker 13: was built in the last eight days. It's going to

3006
02:26:31,240 --> 02:26:35,520
Speaker 13: cost four hundred and fifty million dollars annually to operate.

3007
02:26:36,040 --> 02:26:38,280
Speaker 13: I remember when I went to the Charlie Kirk event

3008
02:26:38,520 --> 02:26:40,920
Speaker 13: in Atlanta, they're talking about like how much money we're

3009
02:26:40,920 --> 02:26:43,960
Speaker 13: spending to give immigrants like free cell phones and to

3010
02:26:44,560 --> 02:26:47,600
Speaker 13: give them housing. Meanwhile, you have not only this this

3011
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:51,879
Speaker 13: bill that massively massively increases the deficit in ways we've

3012
02:26:51,920 --> 02:26:54,520
Speaker 13: never seen before. Plus on the local level, you have

3013
02:26:54,560 --> 02:26:58,120
Speaker 13: four hundred million dollars a year for these deportation facilities.

3014
02:26:58,520 --> 02:27:01,320
Speaker 13: And this facility specifically built on the Florida Everglades. It's

3015
02:27:01,400 --> 02:27:04,359
Speaker 13: not hurricane proof, of course, after one day of operating,

3016
02:27:04,400 --> 02:27:07,960
Speaker 13: they've already had flooding issues. This is an incredibly dangerous facility.

3017
02:27:08,400 --> 02:27:11,560
Speaker 13: It could lead to a natural disaster, could kill thousands

3018
02:27:11,600 --> 02:27:14,160
Speaker 13: of people here. And currently the state of Florida is

3019
02:27:14,320 --> 02:27:18,280
Speaker 13: selling alligator Alcatraz merchandise on their website.

3020
02:27:18,400 --> 02:27:20,440
Speaker 3: So always a grift as well, so you.

3021
02:27:20,560 --> 02:27:24,440
Speaker 13: Can get deportation merchandise, you can get concentration camp merchandise.

3022
02:27:25,000 --> 02:27:27,120
Speaker 13: This is the this is the soul of the of

3023
02:27:27,200 --> 02:27:32,959
Speaker 13: the Republican Party. For our last main story tonight, let's

3024
02:27:33,000 --> 02:27:35,360
Speaker 13: talk about how Trump and the Democrats are trying to

3025
02:27:35,440 --> 02:27:39,800
Speaker 13: stop the domentum. Because ranked choice voting has now been completed.

3026
02:27:39,920 --> 02:27:44,360
Speaker 13: Zoron has defeated Cuomo fifty six to forty four, twelve

3027
02:27:44,440 --> 02:27:47,640
Speaker 13: points which were talied in just the third round of

3028
02:27:47,840 --> 02:27:51,040
Speaker 13: ranked choice voting. The other tallies will come out like eventually,

3029
02:27:51,160 --> 02:27:53,480
Speaker 13: but this is like the last like legitimate tally because

3030
02:27:53,520 --> 02:27:56,760
Speaker 13: of like the elimination rules. Zoron got one hundred and

3031
02:27:56,959 --> 02:27:59,280
Speaker 13: fifty thousand more votes than Eric Adams one with in

3032
02:27:59,360 --> 02:28:04,680
Speaker 13: twenty twenty one, like phenomenal sweeps. It's wild, like we've

3033
02:28:04,680 --> 02:28:09,480
Speaker 13: never seen anything like this. Commy summer, Baby, let's go so.

3034
02:28:10,360 --> 02:28:13,800
Speaker 13: Republican Representative Andy Ogles of Tennessee sent a letter to

3035
02:28:13,840 --> 02:28:18,560
Speaker 13: Attorney General Pam Bondi asking to investigate Mamdani for denaturalization

3036
02:28:18,840 --> 02:28:22,560
Speaker 13: on the grounds that he obtained citizenship through misrepresentation or

3037
02:28:22,680 --> 02:28:27,040
Speaker 13: concealing material support for terrorism. I'm going to read this

3038
02:28:27,200 --> 02:28:31,400
Speaker 13: disgusting quote from Ogles because I think people should hear it. Quote, Zoron,

3039
02:28:31,720 --> 02:28:36,119
Speaker 13: little Mohammed Dani is an anti Semitic, socialist communist will

3040
02:28:36,120 --> 02:28:38,080
Speaker 13: destroy the great City of New York. He needs to

3041
02:28:38,120 --> 02:28:40,320
Speaker 13: be deported, which is why I'm calling for him to

3042
02:28:40,320 --> 02:28:43,240
Speaker 13: be the subject to denaturalization proceedings.

3043
02:28:43,640 --> 02:28:46,480
Speaker 6: This is a guy who who would be petrified if

3044
02:28:46,520 --> 02:28:48,400
Speaker 6: he ever had to walk around New York because seeing

3045
02:28:48,440 --> 02:28:51,280
Speaker 6: brown people is very scary when you know this kind

3046
02:28:51,320 --> 02:28:51,680
Speaker 6: of person.

3047
02:28:52,560 --> 02:28:56,920
Speaker 13: Zoron's been facing this huge wave of egregious like islamophobic attacks,

3048
02:28:56,959 --> 02:29:00,440
Speaker 13: including from the gimies of his own party. On a

3049
02:29:00,560 --> 02:29:04,560
Speaker 13: radio show, Democrat New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand falsely claimed

3050
02:29:04,600 --> 02:29:07,400
Speaker 13: that Mam Donnie had made references in support of quote

3051
02:29:07,440 --> 02:29:10,880
Speaker 13: unquote global Jihad. Outrageous stuff.

3052
02:29:11,000 --> 02:29:11,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3053
02:29:11,480 --> 02:29:14,920
Speaker 13: On Monday, she apologized for these comments in a private

3054
02:29:15,000 --> 02:29:18,600
Speaker 13: call to Mamdani and expressed that she believes that Zorn

3055
02:29:18,760 --> 02:29:21,400
Speaker 13: is sincere when he says he wants to protect all

3056
02:29:21,480 --> 02:29:26,520
Speaker 13: New Yorkers and combat anti Semitism, but fucking, fucking gross stuff.

3057
02:29:26,840 --> 02:29:30,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it was so hideous, it's like two thousand

3058
02:29:30,440 --> 02:29:31,200
Speaker 3: and three level.

3059
02:29:31,320 --> 02:29:32,960
Speaker 13: It's. Yeah, it's really bad.

3060
02:29:33,160 --> 02:29:35,240
Speaker 3: Wait, you know, it's considerably worse than that.

3061
02:29:35,440 --> 02:29:38,480
Speaker 6: Like Bush gave the islamis the Fabric of America speech

3062
02:29:38,520 --> 02:29:41,440
Speaker 6: in two thousand and one. Yeah, Like we now have

3063
02:29:41,800 --> 02:29:45,879
Speaker 6: Democrats just knee jerking to fuck them all their terrorists.

3064
02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:47,800
Speaker 13: Like in their own party, and like many top New

3065
02:29:47,879 --> 02:29:50,640
Speaker 13: York Democrats have still refused to endorse the now like

3066
02:29:50,800 --> 02:29:56,080
Speaker 13: Democratic nominee, including Governor Kathy Hochel, House Minority Leader Hakim Jeffries,

3067
02:29:56,080 --> 02:29:57,120
Speaker 13: and Sonather Chuck Schumer.

3068
02:29:57,320 --> 02:30:00,600
Speaker 6: Jeffries posted in support of him today, some of them.

3069
02:30:00,520 --> 02:30:03,560
Speaker 13: Have expressed like support of him, specifically support against Islama

3070
02:30:03,600 --> 02:30:07,879
Speaker 13: public attacks, but have explicitly refused to endorse him as

3071
02:30:07,920 --> 02:30:11,240
Speaker 13: a nominee, which is like it's vote blue no matter

3072
02:30:11,320 --> 02:30:14,920
Speaker 13: who until you have like a Muslim democratic socialist and

3073
02:30:15,040 --> 02:30:17,440
Speaker 13: it's like we have to discuss, Like, you know, there's

3074
02:30:17,480 --> 02:30:21,080
Speaker 13: some we have some skeptical things about his candidacy and

3075
02:30:21,440 --> 02:30:23,080
Speaker 13: his ability to keep New Yorker safe.

3076
02:30:23,160 --> 02:30:26,960
Speaker 6: You're like, oh boy, yeah, yeah, you voted for the

3077
02:30:27,040 --> 02:30:29,080
Speaker 6: three people who die. You endorsed the three people who

3078
02:30:29,200 --> 02:30:31,800
Speaker 6: died in office. I guess like since the last election

3079
02:30:31,959 --> 02:30:38,119
Speaker 6: in the House, like now, the attacks have continued. On Monday,

3080
02:30:38,200 --> 02:30:41,800
Speaker 6: Fox News supporter Peter Doucy asked White House pre Secretary

3081
02:30:41,879 --> 02:30:48,279
Speaker 6: Caroline Levitt about deporting Zoran. Let's play the clip, Peter thak.

3082
02:30:48,200 --> 02:30:52,640
Speaker 10: Caroline, does President Trump want Zoran Mamdani deported?

3083
02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:55,800
Speaker 14: I haven't heard him say that. I haven't heard him

3084
02:30:55,840 --> 02:30:58,360
Speaker 14: call for that, but certainly he does not want this

3085
02:30:58,879 --> 02:31:01,440
Speaker 14: individual to be a I was just speaking to him

3086
02:31:01,520 --> 02:31:06,080
Speaker 14: about it and his radical policies that will completely crush

3087
02:31:06,240 --> 02:31:08,400
Speaker 14: New York City, which is obviously a city that the

3088
02:31:08,440 --> 02:31:10,000
Speaker 14: President holds near and dear to his heart.

3089
02:31:10,160 --> 02:31:12,720
Speaker 10: There's this Congressman Annie Ogles. He wants the Attorney General

3090
02:31:12,760 --> 02:31:17,160
Speaker 10: Bondi to explore denaturalization proceedings because he thinks Mom Donnie

3091
02:31:18,080 --> 02:31:23,119
Speaker 10: could have misrepresented or concealed material support for terrorism based

3092
02:31:23,160 --> 02:31:26,760
Speaker 10: on rap lyrics. He wrote in twenty seventeen. Does President

3093
02:31:26,800 --> 02:31:29,520
Speaker 10: Trump think this is a worthwhile use of the Attorney

3094
02:31:29,560 --> 02:31:30,160
Speaker 10: General's time?

3095
02:31:30,560 --> 02:31:32,440
Speaker 14: Well, I'll let the President speak to that. I have

3096
02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:34,959
Speaker 14: not seen those claims, but surely if they are true,

3097
02:31:35,040 --> 02:31:36,760
Speaker 14: it's something that should be investigated.

3098
02:31:37,120 --> 02:31:37,160
Speaker 10: It.

3099
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:40,240
Speaker 6: It's ridiculous to suggest that you could wrap your material

3100
02:31:40,280 --> 02:31:42,680
Speaker 6: support for terrorism. That they have to prove that you

3101
02:31:43,360 --> 02:31:47,160
Speaker 6: materially supportated group which he is listed to FTO.

3102
02:31:47,840 --> 02:31:48,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3103
02:31:48,800 --> 02:31:53,199
Speaker 13: Then on Tuesday day later, Trump himself attacked Zoran, threatening

3104
02:31:53,320 --> 02:31:56,320
Speaker 13: to arrest him if he interferes with ICE.

3105
02:31:57,520 --> 02:31:59,560
Speaker 12: Your beloved New York City may well be led by

3106
02:31:59,600 --> 02:32:05,160
Speaker 12: a commmunists soon, Zorhan Mundami, who in his nomination speech

3107
02:32:05,280 --> 02:32:08,200
Speaker 12: said he will defy ICE and will not allow ICE

3108
02:32:08,280 --> 02:32:10,520
Speaker 12: to arrest criminal aliens in New York City.

3109
02:32:10,840 --> 02:32:13,759
Speaker 3: Your message to communist Zorhan Mundami.

3110
02:32:13,480 --> 02:32:16,880
Speaker 7: Well, then we'll have to arrest him. Look, we don't

3111
02:32:16,879 --> 02:32:19,120
Speaker 7: need a communist in this country. But if we have one,

3112
02:32:19,120 --> 02:32:21,160
Speaker 7: I'm going to be watching over them very carefully on

3113
02:32:21,280 --> 02:32:22,160
Speaker 7: behalf of the nation.

3114
02:32:23,360 --> 02:32:26,959
Speaker 13: Later, Trump suggested that Zoron quote unquote may be here

3115
02:32:27,240 --> 02:32:31,200
Speaker 13: illegally and that the Trump administration would be looking into that,

3116
02:32:31,640 --> 02:32:36,840
Speaker 13: while in the same clip praising the now independent nominee

3117
02:32:37,040 --> 02:32:39,279
Speaker 13: and current mayor Eric Adams.

3118
02:32:39,480 --> 02:32:43,200
Speaker 7: Independent running mayor Adams, who's a very good person. I

3119
02:32:43,320 --> 02:32:45,040
Speaker 7: helped him out a little bit. He had a problem

3120
02:32:45,120 --> 02:32:47,520
Speaker 7: and he was unfairly hurt.

3121
02:32:47,440 --> 02:32:48,160
Speaker 5: Over this question.

3122
02:32:48,400 --> 02:32:51,240
Speaker 7: He made a statement to the effect that this is

3123
02:32:51,360 --> 02:32:54,160
Speaker 7: terrible New York City can have all these immigrants come in,

3124
02:32:54,879 --> 02:32:57,160
Speaker 7: and like he was indicted the following day.

3125
02:32:57,640 --> 02:33:02,280
Speaker 3: Just clearly admitting to corruption. He had a little problem,

3126
02:33:02,400 --> 02:33:03,360
Speaker 3: and I helped him out.

3127
02:33:03,560 --> 02:33:08,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, just a little problem with accepting massive payments

3128
02:33:08,440 --> 02:33:11,320
Speaker 6: from Turkey to fucking corrupt his whole city.

3129
02:33:12,280 --> 02:33:14,640
Speaker 3: And I want to say here too, like I was

3130
02:33:14,760 --> 02:33:18,360
Speaker 3: watching just like Trump openly targeting Tom Donnie, like all

3131
02:33:18,440 --> 02:33:20,960
Speaker 3: of the Democrats who are attacking him are just on

3132
02:33:21,120 --> 02:33:22,600
Speaker 3: the side of Trump here. And this has been a

3133
02:33:22,600 --> 02:33:25,400
Speaker 3: significant problem the entire administration is that one of Trump's

3134
02:33:25,440 --> 02:33:30,119
Speaker 3: like core basis of support is like sitting democratic fucking legislatures.

3135
02:33:30,160 --> 02:33:33,280
Speaker 3: It's like fucking Chuck Schumer. Yeah, like all of these people.

3136
02:33:33,520 --> 02:33:35,720
Speaker 13: Yeah, they're working with Trump rhetorically on all.

3137
02:33:35,640 --> 02:33:37,960
Speaker 3: Of this and sometimes literally with like Schumer voting for

3138
02:33:38,040 --> 02:33:43,080
Speaker 3: the original like budget resolution shit. Like they're just they're

3139
02:33:43,160 --> 02:33:44,440
Speaker 3: just actively collaborating.

3140
02:33:45,000 --> 02:33:49,000
Speaker 13: On Tuesday, is or unreleased a statement regarding Trump's comments, saying, quote,

3141
02:33:49,120 --> 02:33:51,040
Speaker 13: the President of the United States just threatened to have

3142
02:33:51,160 --> 02:33:53,720
Speaker 13: me arrested, stripped of my citizenship, and put in a

3143
02:33:53,800 --> 02:33:56,240
Speaker 13: detention camp, and deport it. Not because they have broken

3144
02:33:56,240 --> 02:33:58,560
Speaker 13: any law, but because I will refuse to let ice

3145
02:33:58,680 --> 02:34:01,959
Speaker 13: terrorize our city. Don't just represent an attack on our democracy,

3146
02:34:01,959 --> 02:34:03,520
Speaker 13: but an attempt to send a message to every New

3147
02:34:03,600 --> 02:34:05,800
Speaker 13: Yorker who refuses to hide in the shadows. If you

3148
02:34:05,879 --> 02:34:07,880
Speaker 13: speak up, they will come for you. We will not

3149
02:34:08,000 --> 02:34:11,680
Speaker 13: accept this intimidation. That Trump included praise for Eric Adams

3150
02:34:11,760 --> 02:34:15,039
Speaker 13: and his authoritarian threats is unsurprising but highlights the urgency

3151
02:34:15,080 --> 02:34:17,600
Speaker 13: of bringing an end to this mayor's time in City

3152
02:34:17,640 --> 02:34:20,400
Speaker 13: Hall at the very moment when mega Republicans are attempting

3153
02:34:20,440 --> 02:34:22,600
Speaker 13: to destroy the social safety net, take millions of New

3154
02:34:22,640 --> 02:34:26,000
Speaker 13: Yorkers off healthcare, and enrich their billionaire donors. At the

3155
02:34:26,040 --> 02:34:28,400
Speaker 13: expense of working families. It is a scandal that Eric

3156
02:34:28,400 --> 02:34:32,920
Speaker 13: Adams echoes this president's division, distraction and hate. Voters will

3157
02:34:33,000 --> 02:34:36,720
Speaker 13: resoundingly reject it. In November, unquote and former mayor of

3158
02:34:36,720 --> 02:34:40,440
Speaker 13: Build a Blasio came out in support of Zoran, saying, quote,

3159
02:34:40,520 --> 02:34:42,600
Speaker 13: Donald Trump will have to go through a lot of

3160
02:34:42,720 --> 02:34:45,240
Speaker 13: us first. If he wants to arrest a Zor Mamdani,

3161
02:34:45,520 --> 02:34:47,880
Speaker 13: We New Yorkers will put a human shield around him

3162
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:50,840
Speaker 13: if we need to. No one gets to intimidate us.

3163
02:34:51,120 --> 02:34:54,080
Speaker 3: Build a Blasio. If you get arrested doing the human shield,

3164
02:34:54,720 --> 02:34:57,240
Speaker 3: we will forgive you for one of your many crimes.

3165
02:34:59,240 --> 02:34:59,440
Speaker 6: Yeah.

3166
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:01,480
Speaker 3: I w off for rest Bill.

3167
02:35:01,680 --> 02:35:04,160
Speaker 13: Good for Bill, But no, everyone needs to do this,

3168
02:35:04,600 --> 02:35:06,840
Speaker 13: Like everyone needs to get behind him right now. If

3169
02:35:06,840 --> 02:35:09,320
Speaker 13: he's gonna be the target of this like denaturalization, push

3170
02:35:09,640 --> 02:35:12,360
Speaker 13: for this. Yeah, if he becomes like the symbol of

3171
02:35:12,440 --> 02:35:15,840
Speaker 13: everything that Trump hates, Like Democrats need to fall in

3172
02:35:15,959 --> 02:35:19,400
Speaker 13: line fucking right now. And you can't be attacking this

3173
02:35:19,520 --> 02:35:23,199
Speaker 13: guy for like innate isamophobia. Yeah, it's it's it's outrageous.

3174
02:35:23,720 --> 02:35:23,879
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3175
02:35:23,959 --> 02:35:26,680
Speaker 6: He also has made one of the funniest music videos

3176
02:35:26,720 --> 02:35:29,720
Speaker 6: I have ever seen. There's some good stuff it's video

3177
02:35:29,720 --> 02:35:31,920
Speaker 6: about how much he loves his grandmother with Mada Jeoffrey,

3178
02:35:31,959 --> 02:35:32,880
Speaker 6: and it is outstanding.

3179
02:35:33,320 --> 02:35:35,400
Speaker 13: Now we do have some good news to close this

3180
02:35:35,480 --> 02:35:38,480
Speaker 13: episode on, including the return of the Stinky Musk segment.

3181
02:35:38,959 --> 02:35:43,000
Speaker 13: In Pennsylvania, Tesla turned into train tracks and drove into

3182
02:35:43,040 --> 02:35:47,280
Speaker 13: an un drove into an oncoming train. It's okay, people

3183
02:35:47,360 --> 02:35:49,200
Speaker 13: were able to exit the car before the grass. But

3184
02:35:49,720 --> 02:35:52,160
Speaker 13: great stuff, great stuff in the self driving car department.

3185
02:35:52,360 --> 02:35:54,320
Speaker 6: Oh good, and Trump.

3186
02:35:54,320 --> 02:35:58,600
Speaker 13: Truthed on Monday, quote Elon might get more subsidy than

3187
02:35:58,680 --> 02:36:04,360
Speaker 13: any human being in histree by far. And without subsidies,

3188
02:36:04,400 --> 02:36:06,800
Speaker 13: Elon would probably have to close up shop and head

3189
02:36:06,879 --> 02:36:10,600
Speaker 13: back home to South Africa. No more rocket lunches, satellites

3190
02:36:10,600 --> 02:36:13,720
Speaker 13: are electric car production, and our country would save a fortune.

3191
02:36:14,000 --> 02:36:16,560
Speaker 13: Perhaps we should have Doge take a good, hard look

3192
02:36:16,600 --> 02:36:19,520
Speaker 13: at this big money to be saved. And then on

3193
02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:21,920
Speaker 13: July first, on his way to Alligator Alcatraz, Trump was

3194
02:36:22,000 --> 02:36:24,200
Speaker 13: questioned again about Elon and said, quote, We'll have to

3195
02:36:24,240 --> 02:36:27,400
Speaker 13: take a look. We might have to put Doge on Elon.

3196
02:36:27,760 --> 02:36:30,720
Speaker 13: You know what that Doge is, that monster that might

3197
02:36:30,840 --> 02:36:33,920
Speaker 13: have to go back and eat Elon. Wouldn't that be terrible?

3198
02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:36,960
Speaker 13: He gets a lot of subsidies. Elon responded to this

3199
02:36:37,160 --> 02:36:40,920
Speaker 13: on X the Everything app quote so tempting to escalate

3200
02:36:41,000 --> 02:36:44,520
Speaker 13: this so so tempting, but I will refrain for now.

3201
02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:47,160
Speaker 3: I will say Musk has also been talking about four

3202
02:36:47,240 --> 02:36:48,959
Speaker 3: by a new party if this budget bill.

3203
02:36:48,879 --> 02:36:51,720
Speaker 13: Passes, so god, I hope so would be the funniest thing.

3204
02:36:53,520 --> 02:36:55,240
Speaker 13: What other good news do we have to end on here?

3205
02:36:55,680 --> 02:36:58,720
Speaker 13: I think the other good news was the the Asylum

3206
02:36:58,840 --> 02:37:01,120
Speaker 13: van getting Star up to the coach. Oh we already

3207
02:37:01,120 --> 02:37:01,680
Speaker 13: did that, good news.

3208
02:37:01,760 --> 02:37:02,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, we already did that.

3209
02:37:03,040 --> 02:37:04,200
Speaker 3: Oh that that's it?

3210
02:37:04,320 --> 02:37:04,480
Speaker 5: Then?

3211
02:37:04,560 --> 02:37:09,520
Speaker 13: Yeah, mm hmmm, all right. Well, people like ED being

3212
02:37:09,600 --> 02:37:12,720
Speaker 13: an hour long. I've been the longer, the better.

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Speaker 6: It's one thing they say about ED.

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Speaker 13: It goes without saying James, we reported the news.

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Speaker 3: We reported the news.

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Speaker 2: Hey, We'll be back Monday with more episodes every week

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Speaker 2: from now until the heat death of the universe.

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Speaker 3: It could happen.

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Speaker 13: Here is a production of cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website

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Speaker 1: fool zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever.

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Speaker 1: You listen to podcasts. You can now find sources for

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Speaker 1: it could happen here, listed directly in episode descriptions. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening,