Speaker 1: In today's episode of The Command Center Podcast, we are
Speaker 1: talking trades montege Chase. We're breaking down those Is it
Speaker 1: a good trade, is it a bad trade? And we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about what it means moving forward, right, and
Speaker 1: then we got a segment. It's a lot of fun. Man,
Speaker 1: Haters are gonna hate, hate, hate. Hey, Seal get Jay,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Command Center Podcast.
Speaker 2: I have logan Paulson.
Speaker 1: Here were Santanamos with a big chain on today?
Speaker 2: Yes, and Fred.
Speaker 1: Smooth with a couple of jealous with a coup of that.
Speaker 1: Joseph decaf or caffeinated.
Speaker 3: Is caffeinated And I've wondered how do you decaffeinate coffee beans?
Speaker 2: I don't know. But tree that has no.
Speaker 1: Cat I don't think that's how they do it. But
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll have to if you know how they do it,
Speaker 1: please leave a comment. That's always helpful for our distilling
Speaker 1: what's truth and fiction with Fred. So, but yeah, Halloween
Speaker 1: was yesterday. What did you guys?
Speaker 2: Do you think I did nothing?
Speaker 1: You were you were hyping up Halloween.
Speaker 3: I went out to parties this weekend, but for this Tuesday,
Speaker 3: no I did nothing.
Speaker 4: I handed out candy and I do experiments.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a nerve, so I put like all
Speaker 3: the nerdy I've been a nerd like I'm like, I
Speaker 3: literally like put a big basket of candy right there,
Speaker 3: and then I put on the other side like funions
Speaker 3: and tato chips and other stuff.
Speaker 4: I want to see who grabs what, and you would
Speaker 4: be shocked.
Speaker 2: I mean I went for the chips.
Speaker 3: ND I had to lit crackers with the cheese in
Speaker 3: there because that's how it was getting from the other
Speaker 3: houses with candy. So when they see this switch up,
Speaker 3: my candy bowl stayed full. Really yeah, I gotta I
Speaker 3: got Yeah, my candy bowl stayed full while the others
Speaker 3: got taken.
Speaker 1: Do you go out at all or no? Just what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, do you like go to the neighborhood
Speaker 1: or I go.
Speaker 2: With the neighborhood.
Speaker 3: I walk around and you know, because people know who
Speaker 3: you are, I be handed out football courts.
Speaker 2: Sometime I'm looking like a jerk. Hand here you go, kid, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what is your what does your son do? Did you
Speaker 2: go with this? Boys?
Speaker 3: And my son is eighteen years old, he's not kicking
Speaker 3: it with pops on Halloween.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like what they do now,
Speaker 1: like they go, they probably go.
Speaker 3: They went hung out of it, like I hop like
Speaker 3: they got it and I hoped people house, Yeah, steal
Speaker 3: people candy bag stuff like that tall.
Speaker 2: Paper on your tree.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't do nothing. I went to the gym I
Speaker 2: want to l a fitness and got a nice little.
Speaker 1: Lot about l A fitness like on Halloween, him and
Speaker 1: Frankenstein's pack.
Speaker 2: Really Yeah, people think about their weight more than they
Speaker 2: think about these candy and these kids. Man, I mean
Speaker 2: honestly thought. Man, I was planning on doing something every year.
Speaker 2: I said, I'm gonna do something Halloween, and like what is.
Speaker 1: A grown person doing?
Speaker 2: Allow? Because I got kid dressed up and act like
Speaker 2: I'm trying dress up. I would probably go to like
Speaker 2: a lounge of a party, but I knew we had
Speaker 2: to get our ass up earlier to day. Like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to like other like parties in DC.
Speaker 3: Yeah, DC is big on Halloween. Like when I was
Speaker 3: in I was in DC Saturday, I was literally driving around.
Speaker 3: Frankenstein passed me like like riding the school like it.
Speaker 2: DC is lit apart.
Speaker 3: So then you had to go five you old costume
Speaker 3: so you can get in where you fit in.
Speaker 4: So I just went to the party as Fred Smooth.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's awesome man, thank you. Well, yeah, we do
Speaker 1: like the bowl of candy out, you know, we leave
Speaker 1: it out. And like I was leaving, just my kids
Speaker 1: were getting ready for my daughter wanted to start trigger
Speaker 1: tinging like five o'clock yesterday. Yeah, it was like, sonny out,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are we doing? And uh so the
Speaker 1: first people came by our house and this little neighbor kid,
Speaker 1: we know, oh the buckets right there. He goes up
Speaker 1: there and I just hear them, just take the whole thing.
Speaker 4: First kid, And that's why you have to police them.
Speaker 4: And that's why I give him options.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I was like, hey, man, just
Speaker 1: put some of that back. He's like, you know, he's
Speaker 1: like six. He's like, I don't know, No, IM not
Speaker 1: trying to share this. I want it all all right.
Speaker 1: So we got a lot of stuff to talk about today.
Speaker 1: We got to do a little recap of the Philly game.
Speaker 1: But I think the main thing we got to talk about,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, it is the trade man.
Speaker 4: When did in the NFL turned to the NBA trade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like when did this start?
Speaker 4: Like last year was the best, Yeah, last year was
Speaker 4: a big deal.
Speaker 1: This one was a little bit more location.
Speaker 3: Dude, But I still felt like the energy was there,
Speaker 3: Like it felt like for the first time, like a
Speaker 3: lot of players didn't know if they was gonna be
Speaker 3: on their tea.
Speaker 2: It's a good point, which.
Speaker 4: That's kind of NBA is shut.
Speaker 3: That ain't really NFL like they let you finish out
Speaker 3: the year before. And I think maybe because they're doing
Speaker 3: the contracts a little different now, they willing to let
Speaker 3: go of these contracts.
Speaker 4: And I think the team that really.
Speaker 3: Feel like they got a chance to win the Super Bowl,
Speaker 3: they putting the pedal to the medal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they ain't just waiting back no more.
Speaker 1: You see that, And I think, like, let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: I think with San Francisco, for example, you know, giving
Speaker 1: up a third round pick or a compensitory third round pick,
Speaker 1: which means they have a compensitory pick from their coach
Speaker 1: Ryan I believe in maybe one other player, Jason, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure exactly playing that a.
Speaker 2: Little more compensitory pick.
Speaker 3: They get a pick because of they replace it if
Speaker 3: you lose something.
Speaker 4: They replace it with a pick. Let's just say if
Speaker 4: we lost montig.
Speaker 1: So we got a compensitory pick for Brandon Shriff.
Speaker 2: Yeah we did.
Speaker 1: So he goes and he gets paid a certain amount
Speaker 1: of money by a different team, and he's considered like
Speaker 1: a cornerstone.
Speaker 2: Piece, you know.
Speaker 1: So what they do is they have like kind of
Speaker 1: flux picks at the end of the round, and so
Speaker 1: you get one of those third round flux picks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so trying to understand the compensatory part of
Speaker 2: that pick, like, Okay, you either getting a pick or not.
Speaker 4: No, you're gonna get it.
Speaker 1: They're basically like extra picks that the league allocates, and
Speaker 1: I think you can get a compensory third, fourth, fifth,
Speaker 1: or sixth, maybe seventh even too.
Speaker 3: So now I think about it, the third round, I
Speaker 3: have thirty five picks in it, thirty six picks instead
Speaker 3: of the thirty two.
Speaker 1: And so that's why this is kind of this is
Speaker 1: a little bit weird. I think a lot of fans
Speaker 1: are maybe upset about it because that compensatory even though
Speaker 1: it's a third round pick, it's a compensatory pick, which
Speaker 1: means it's one of the last picks of the third Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's going to be so essentially it plays like a
Speaker 1: fourth round like this. Last year we had two compensatory
Speaker 1: fourth round yes, yeah, and they basically play like fifth
Speaker 1: round picks. So you know, I just wanted to get
Speaker 1: your kind of initial thoughts on that and see see
Speaker 1: how you guys felt, because there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are not feeling too positive about it.
Speaker 4: What I think the way they not feeling feeling good
Speaker 4: about is the fact that he was the number one
Speaker 4: two pick.
Speaker 3: I think you can't think about that he was the
Speaker 3: number two pick four years ago.
Speaker 1: And this is what just just a little housekeeping note there.
Speaker 1: They're gonna get a couple of compenstory picks, ones for
Speaker 1: the coach, ones for Mike McGlinchey, and then Ray Karthon
Speaker 1: is the other one. They're they're gonna three compensitory picks
Speaker 1: and players that have left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
Speaker 3: I think they just mad because they felt like we
Speaker 3: put more in than we got back.
Speaker 2: I mean we did, but.
Speaker 3: Guess what, that's the draft. I'm not tell people this
Speaker 3: all the time. I don't care if you got the
Speaker 3: first pick, ten pick, ain't no guarantees and Draga not
Speaker 3: one guarantee and sometimes it ain't the player, it's the place.
Speaker 3: And when I think about Chase, it makes me go
Speaker 3: back to when I was coming out. If I would
Speaker 3: have got drafted by the Saints, my career would have
Speaker 3: started off rocket too, because I was too close to Mississippi,
Speaker 3: too close to my family, too close to home.
Speaker 4: Maybe this is a blessing in.
Speaker 3: Disguise for this guy to actually reach his peak.
Speaker 4: And it's humbling. It's humbling to get traded.
Speaker 1: I think that's and you've been and Tenny, you were
Speaker 1: talking about this a little bit too with your time
Speaker 1: in New York, and I just wonder if you want
Speaker 1: to bring some of that to the podcast.
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing that you know so so I
Speaker 2: get what the fans are talking about, which is a
Speaker 2: bunch of hoopla. And sorry fans, hoopla. I think it's
Speaker 2: a hoopla because I feel like we can't one minute
Speaker 2: be on the fence saying that none of these guys
Speaker 2: deserve to be here, and then the next minute being
Speaker 2: mad when they get shipped out.
Speaker 4: I say, you're not gonna pay them, And.
Speaker 2: Then we can't be on the fence of saying that. Okay,
Speaker 2: when the season o with everybody gone. But then ask
Speaker 2: the question of why we're doing it now. Look, at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, things change drastically sometimes and
Speaker 2: whatever for whatever reason, both of these guys sweat and
Speaker 2: pay I mean and Chase, what's going to be potentially
Speaker 2: got guys that we have to pay twenty plus mire
Speaker 2: you need one day and they're here and we have
Speaker 2: other guys on the team that can fit fill in
Speaker 2: those spots and go out there and play productively. So
Speaker 2: when you have that kind of debt and you feel
Speaker 2: like you can get more for these guys, now you
Speaker 2: have to make those moves. You understand, like I'd rather
Speaker 2: see us make moves and get picks then sit here
Speaker 2: and say we go hold on to these guys and
Speaker 2: at the end of the year, both of them not
Speaker 2: going nothing, getting nothing from them. But on the flip
Speaker 2: side of all that, when I look at what transpired
Speaker 2: with Chase, I think it's great. I think it's great
Speaker 2: for him because one, he's a DC guy. It's tough
Speaker 2: to play home. I talked about, you know, when I
Speaker 2: was in Miami as a collegiate ball player, it was
Speaker 2: tough to be santannamau Mouth. At the same time, I
Speaker 2: was trying to.
Speaker 1: Can you talk about that a little bit, like when
Speaker 1: you say it's tough to be santannamaus you got people
Speaker 1: around you, you got family around you, Like what.
Speaker 2: First of all, I was trying to be Santantamous. You know,
Speaker 2: I was trying to make that name a household name.
Speaker 2: He wasn't there yet. But in order for me to
Speaker 2: make that name a household name, I experimented. I had
Speaker 2: time to experiment. I said to myself, I'm gonna scrap
Speaker 2: everything that I'm doing, partying girls, whatever it may have been,
Speaker 2: anything that it was, I was gonna scrap it because
Speaker 2: I wanted to become a household name. I wanted to
Speaker 2: be that guy on Saturdays that people came to the
Speaker 2: stadium winning at number six and saying, oh, we're finna
Speaker 2: see the show. And it happened. It worked, And so
Speaker 2: when I saw my transformation that okay, damn. When I
Speaker 2: stopped hanging out, when I stopped doing going back to
Speaker 2: the hood, stop going home bgal, Yep, that was the
Speaker 2: biggest thing. When I stopped showing my face out started
Speaker 2: just strictly and I wasn't doing nothing different. When I
Speaker 2: was locally around the campus. I just stayed away from
Speaker 2: all the things that were made say that Tanner was
Speaker 2: out tonight, Tanner was doing this, I just stayed away
Speaker 2: from it, and my game risen. So when I look
Speaker 2: at what Chase had going on here, and I didn't
Speaker 2: even know half of the stuff that Chase was doing,
Speaker 2: but just hearing the rumors and the rumblings and just
Speaker 2: knowing how hard it's and difficult it is to live
Speaker 2: up to playing here and being a household name, already
Speaker 2: being a professional, having everything that you can possibly want
Speaker 2: and need, and still having to go out there and
Speaker 2: play the game. It was difficult. So I just felt
Speaker 2: like it was gonna be a better move for him.
Speaker 2: Or not knowing it was gonna happen this soon, I
Speaker 2: thought in the future we would see this guy go elsewhere.
Speaker 2: But being that it was done the other day, I
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be great for us career after.
Speaker 4: You're gonna be beneficial to him.
Speaker 3: And I think, me meeting Tanna in college, the one
Speaker 3: thing I can give him the way he.
Speaker 4: Acts now is how he act then.
Speaker 2: He was very mature for his age, and then why.
Speaker 3: We call him old man because he just had this
Speaker 3: all right, But everybody can't self checked, theyself like think
Speaker 3: about it. So we're talking about Santana at eighteen, nineteen twenty,
Speaker 3: we're talking about Chase at twenty four. So it's hard
Speaker 3: to say, you know what, and we talking about Miami. Man,
Speaker 3: I want to, but they ain't gonna work for me.
Speaker 3: You know, it's hard to self identify that, and sometimes people.
Speaker 4: Need to take that out of your hand.
Speaker 3: And I thought it was a burden on Chase being
Speaker 3: here with family friends around the corner, like and expectation
Speaker 3: played at the math supposed to be God's gift to defense,
Speaker 3: and once you don't live up to that, you're gonna have.
Speaker 2: You hate us.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have people say, oh, he hate this, he
Speaker 3: hain't this. I always felt like he was a good player.
Speaker 3: I just felt like the person got in the way
Speaker 3: of the player.
Speaker 2: But also too with all that that extra or added
Speaker 2: stress of trying to be him, live up or live
Speaker 2: up to who they expect him to be. It's the team,
Speaker 2: you know how many expectations it is for the Redskins,
Speaker 2: for the Commanders to be the Redskins again, like to
Speaker 2: be that that one franchise that everybody wants to be
Speaker 2: it's hard and it's so much hooplog going on around
Speaker 2: this team alone. Then you add that, yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: too much. So I look at it like, man, it
Speaker 2: was great for the kid man. I think it's great
Speaker 2: for him to get away and go out there and
Speaker 2: be with all he can be. But I just think
Speaker 2: when it comes to what you're hearing, hey, it's other
Speaker 2: guys we know in this league all too well that
Speaker 2: it's the next man you know, and the show much
Speaker 2: go on. So I'm looking for now, regardless of what
Speaker 2: happened in the trade atmosphere, I'm looking for now for
Speaker 2: all these guys who played before to now finally get
Speaker 2: a chance to go out there and be the guys
Speaker 2: that they want or they were trying to be. This
Speaker 2: guy's now for to beat the stars.
Speaker 4: They now get that chance to star.
Speaker 2: That's my show. Ye ye, let me go out here
Speaker 2: and see what y'all.
Speaker 3: Well, y'all shocked that Monte has had more value, Like
Speaker 3: more people was at the Montes than they were Chase.
Speaker 1: Not really for me, for me personally, No, I think
Speaker 1: the reason is like Montese has just been if you
Speaker 1: just look at play, just been more consistent. He's been healthier,
Speaker 1: He's like an established commodity. I think he plays in
Speaker 1: the context of the defense a little bit better than
Speaker 1: Chase does. That's just watching film, you know. So I
Speaker 1: would just say, like it makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 1: and like the fact that he was getting all the calls,
Speaker 1: and I think that there was like a big pull
Speaker 1: within the organization to try and keep him. But one
Speaker 1: of the things is you get like a second round
Speaker 1: pick from.
Speaker 2: The Bears, it's really a first round that's a first
Speaker 2: round pick.
Speaker 1: I mean that's going to be like, what is that
Speaker 1: probably the thirty. Like that's that's a huge deal when
Speaker 1: you're trying to build for next year, that pick, that
Speaker 1: second round pick becomes excellent trade value in terms of
Speaker 1: moving around. So I think it doesn't surprise me with Montes.
Speaker 1: He's just been more consistent. He's been healthier, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people value the health of those players.
Speaker 4: Quite that's ability is availability.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's just been a super consistent guy. Right,
Speaker 1: So I look at that and I just say that
Speaker 1: while everything about Montese, I would have thought they would
Speaker 1: have tried to keep him. I would have thought they
Speaker 1: would have tried to pay him up to probably. It's
Speaker 1: just that what the pairs offered is like it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of crazy, and I don't say crazy, but it's like.
Speaker 3: No, I understand it benefited the Bears and it benefited us.
Speaker 3: But also you were talking about a front four a
Speaker 3: first round, and that you knew from drafting him you
Speaker 3: won't gonna be to sign themll so they go to
Speaker 3: realistic part of.
Speaker 4: This is a GM. Think about it.
Speaker 3: If they if they did reach their peak, you're still
Speaker 3: gonna be to play them all like you just especially
Speaker 3: if they asly as they do. Like I thought negotiating
Speaker 3: when you negotiate, and I thought, all right, I think
Speaker 3: swear would be the easiest one to negotiate and say,
Speaker 3: you know, listen, Letsten, let's find a point. Let me
Speaker 3: just pay you what I paid the run pay it's
Speaker 3: call it a day. But there's still a lot of money.
Speaker 3: And now you're talking about having five picks here at
Speaker 3: high peaks and ninety million dollars of camp room. Like
Speaker 3: you can literally reshape this whole roster if you want,
Speaker 3: But it also allows you to pay the cam curls
Speaker 3: of the work. It allows you to keep the nucleus together.
Speaker 1: Well it's it's gonna be a different nucleus than I
Speaker 1: think maybe a lot of fans identified. But you know,
Speaker 1: camp Curll is a big part of this defense definitely,
Speaker 1: and get and be able to pay him and you know,
Speaker 1: possibly Saint Juces in a couple of years. Whoever it is, right,
Speaker 1: whoever you gonna do, or maybe go find someone in
Speaker 1: free agency that you're looking for.
Speaker 2: You'll pick it a little in free agency.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And so I think like obviously the Montees one
Speaker 1: makes it makes more sense to me from an organizational standpoint.
Speaker 1: I think it makes more sense to fans. I think
Speaker 1: fans see the chase thing and they're like a a
Speaker 1: compensatory third round, so basically a fourth round. Is this
Speaker 1: good value for him?
Speaker 2: Well is it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And let's talk about that a little bit because
Speaker 1: it's like he could walk at the end of the year,
Speaker 1: you could pay him, and so yeah, like do you
Speaker 1: think that that is Like what would you say to
Speaker 1: a fan, It's like the value is not there.
Speaker 3: Come down and understand when you trade me in car,
Speaker 3: when you're training in the car with smiles on it,
Speaker 3: they usually give you what they want to give you
Speaker 3: at the dealership, Right, but you're still gonna get your
Speaker 3: new car because that your old kuys of down payment
Speaker 3: on your new car.
Speaker 4: So our down payment was a first fourth round pick.
Speaker 3: And what you don't know is what that fourth round
Speaker 3: pick gonna turn Who.
Speaker 2: Is gonna turn to? That's what I was saying, man,
Speaker 2: I mean, you really don't understand. You don't know what
Speaker 2: the draft are going to have, you know, there for
Speaker 2: you around that time, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: you can't really just jump the gun and say, well,
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be nobody valuable at that pick. Come on,
Speaker 2: George picks you. That's talent. That's talent everywhere throughout the draft,
Speaker 2: and you can't look at it. And then you told
Speaker 2: you also got to think about what is the value
Speaker 2: of that player right now? Yeah, I'm not hearing to
Speaker 2: say that that Chase it's only a compensatory third third
Speaker 2: round pick value wise. But if you look at the injury,
Speaker 2: you don't know what you're really getting, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. You look at what he you know he
Speaker 2: went through here as far as the injury and and
Speaker 2: all the things that have to happen to his knee
Speaker 2: for it to get back to normal. San fran don't
Speaker 2: know what they're picking up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So they have a bunch of I guess you could
Speaker 2: say optimism and optimism and what player that's going to
Speaker 2: become Right now, Chase is he was drafted to be
Speaker 2: more Julius Peppers, Like right now he's in.
Speaker 3: The jadevia on Clowney Ram You remember Clowney first pick
Speaker 3: came out and everybody thought he was gonna be amazing
Speaker 3: God's gift to the past rushing. Well, right now, if
Speaker 3: you had to slot Chase.
Speaker 4: Who is he?
Speaker 3: Terreil Suggs, this guy, he's Clowney right now, in which
Speaker 3: Clowney has played some good but he ain't lived up
Speaker 3: to the height of Clowney. And I think that's where
Speaker 3: Chase at right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think again, Tanny, you talked about the injury,
Speaker 1: you talked about the performance a little bit like he's not.
Speaker 1: I think outside of his rookie year, he's never been
Speaker 1: overly productive. And I think there were flashes this year
Speaker 1: where you saw very productive games from a personal standpoint
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh he had.
Speaker 2: And it's they're early too, man. Yeah, Yeah, who knows
Speaker 2: what is your with a transpire to be like when
Speaker 2: it came to just getting more play on them, you know,
Speaker 2: reps and everything. Repetition is key. So I'm happy.
Speaker 3: But him not being the star in San Francisco will
Speaker 3: benefit him, Him not being the focal point will benefit him.
Speaker 2: Him with some.
Speaker 3: Proving playoff winners will humble him. I just think he's
Speaker 3: in the right situation to blossom.
Speaker 1: So I think the other thing that I hear from
Speaker 1: fans all the time is that hey, the you know,
Speaker 1: are we giving up on the season, and no, we're
Speaker 1: not part of me? Is like, I can see why
Speaker 1: they would say.
Speaker 4: That, No, I don't be with them. We were the
Speaker 4: thirty first ranked defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also look at like the guys that
Speaker 1: are backing them up. I look at Casey two Hill,
Speaker 1: I look at James Smith Williams, and I think those
Speaker 1: guys are they've been playing good football and they played
Speaker 1: with a systant.
Speaker 2: Football and I don't want to cut you off. I
Speaker 2: think what the fans are thinking or saying because of them,
Speaker 2: they look at those guys are not being capable and
Speaker 2: not they're not really watching football if they watched last year,
Speaker 2: because that goes to show. But that's how the fans are, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, one one moment we're talking about bench. You know,
Speaker 2: seem how the next thing we're talking about man, he
Speaker 2: could be the franchise quarterback. So they're not watching it
Speaker 2: from the links. Were watching it from They don't understand that.
Speaker 2: That's the reason why we built the depth that we
Speaker 2: built on our defensive line, because if them guys went
Speaker 2: down like they have before, two Hill Smith wins Junior
Speaker 2: about it. All those guys have played a significant road
Speaker 2: on that line that has allowed that d line to
Speaker 2: be ranked in the top five last year. So that's
Speaker 2: why I look at it and say, hey, so much
Speaker 2: go on regardless of what happened. And now we get
Speaker 2: to see those guys.
Speaker 4: If I give you a nickname, you good.
Speaker 3: And I called Casey two sacks, and I called James
Speaker 3: Smith James hyphen.
Speaker 4: I don't use James hyphen in two sacks.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I have seen enough
Speaker 3: of them that if I'm the coordinator, I trust him.
Speaker 3: And this is all That's what being a team and
Speaker 3: a coach is. Can I trust players to keep me hired?
Speaker 2: That that's the thing about.
Speaker 4: And can I trust those two yes, sir?
Speaker 3: The question is now that they the start, what depth
Speaker 3: do we have behind him?
Speaker 1: That's the question, absolutely, And I think, like kind of
Speaker 1: your point. One of the things that I noticed when
Speaker 1: James and Casey are playing is that they know they're
Speaker 1: not the guy. They know that they're playing second fiddle
Speaker 1: to Drawn Payne. But I think like when you look
Speaker 1: at them, John and Dorawn play better when they're in
Speaker 1: there because instead of John having to kind of work
Speaker 1: and kind of figure out where he fits with Chase,
Speaker 1: it's like he's like, hey, Casey, I'm going.
Speaker 2: To do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in case he's like, oh okay, yeah, yes, mister,
Speaker 1: I'll do what she'll do that, you know, And I
Speaker 1: think that allows.
Speaker 2: And sometimes that gives that Casey, that's okay to I
Speaker 2: guess you can say commit to someone that you feel
Speaker 2: that's superior that Ali, and you might get the sack.
Speaker 2: You might get. That's exactly right. I mean, shoes, I've
Speaker 2: been a guy with the quarterbacks say do X Y
Speaker 2: Z and I want to say, no, coach called this
Speaker 2: and guess what. Eighty yards later, you know I'm speaking
Speaker 2: down the sideline. Sometimes you have.
Speaker 4: To fall in line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you got to play in the context
Speaker 1: of the defense. I think that's what we when they've
Speaker 1: come in, they fit the run correctly, they rushed, they
Speaker 1: rushed in their correct rush lanes, and it's not maybe
Speaker 1: the most dynamic thing in the whole world, but they're
Speaker 1: doing what they're supposed to do. It gives Jack some
Speaker 1: flexibility to call more his own pressures because he feels
Speaker 1: more comfortable dropping those guys out in the coverage. So
Speaker 1: it does do some stuff for you that I think
Speaker 1: long term, Like to your point, Fred, like you want
Speaker 1: guys that are gonna play that are gonna help you
Speaker 1: keep your job. And I think you feel confident that
Speaker 1: both these guys are gonna help you do that. But
Speaker 1: you mentioned the depth I fail body. We got to
Speaker 1: talk about him. He had a grea year last year.
Speaker 1: He hasn't played a ton because the injury, but obviously
Speaker 1: a guy that's very capable. And you got Andre Jones
Speaker 1: and kJ Henry and I and I kind of want.
Speaker 3: To see see Jones. I'm eager to see Jones. I'm
Speaker 3: eager to see everybody want to know he is all right.
Speaker 3: If you trade away uh your sec leaders where you
Speaker 3: say it's coming from, I hate to tell you out
Speaker 3: is but Casey.
Speaker 2: Got a lot of sun. He's got five yeah, and
Speaker 2: he's he's played.
Speaker 4: One full of the snaps of the other defensive ends.
Speaker 3: So now the question is how can coach Jack del
Speaker 3: Rio manufacted sex.
Speaker 4: Now he's gonna have to bring that pressure.
Speaker 3: Now he won't have that option to say in my
Speaker 3: front can just dictate games.
Speaker 4: He's gonna have to beat people with the pen.
Speaker 1: Be a little bit more creative. And that's what you saw,
Speaker 1: like when Chase and Montesa were out. You know over
Speaker 1: here Montesa has been healthy, but when Chase was out,
Speaker 1: he was a little bit more innovative. They did more
Speaker 1: stuff to help guys free up. So I'm kind of
Speaker 1: excited to see what the defense does because historically, and
Speaker 1: Kim said this on his Twitter page, John Kim, if
Speaker 1: you guys know, I love he swent it inside of
Speaker 1: defensive statistics with and without Chase, and the defense was
Speaker 1: better without him. And again I Chases. It's not saying
Speaker 1: Chase is a bad football.
Speaker 2: No he's not. He's a great football player. That just
Speaker 2: was not the place for him. And and and change
Speaker 2: is always good, man. People look at changes and look
Speaker 2: at it. It's bad. Look at the end of the
Speaker 2: day right now, we just we like that wishing well
Speaker 2: with throwing a skipping that rock or throwing that corner
Speaker 2: there and just hoping man that I used to steal out.
Speaker 3: The whists and wheel just you're just in there and
Speaker 3: there were ever I can't waiting to go to the casino.
Speaker 1: That's my way, oh my gosh. But yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think it's also be interesting to see what they do.
Speaker 1: You know, like Abdula Anderson played a little bit of
Speaker 1: end in Atlanta. Does he get in that rotation as
Speaker 1: an end as a big end like and again we
Speaker 1: don't know anything.
Speaker 2: That's were talking about.
Speaker 1: Just there's pieces of big fills back now, like John
Speaker 1: Ridgeway all that stuff, So they have pieces here. I
Speaker 1: don't think it needs to be like everyone needs to
Speaker 1: freak out, but it doesn't mean the season so in the.
Speaker 3: Cover is not bare Like I know, we just lost
Speaker 3: two premium pass rushes, but this defense got talent on
Speaker 3: all three levels, got talent on because to me, Ridgeway
Speaker 3: is a start, Like I'm just anyway.
Speaker 1: He's playing well, like like we've we've done him a
Speaker 1: couple of breakdowns on him, He's playing really good.
Speaker 3: Lodge Way just a dirty holl, dirty hog. I love
Speaker 3: a dirty holl.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So I think this is the other thing about this
Speaker 1: is going in the next I know people don't want
Speaker 1: to talk. We just talked about how you don't need
Speaker 1: to worry about this season being over.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 1: But going into next year, they have five picks in
Speaker 1: the first three rounds. Well, how much cap space? They
Speaker 1: have ninety million dollars, ninety million dollars, and they've got
Speaker 1: potentially a rookie, they potentially have the quarterback of the future.
Speaker 2: And saw we'll see how the rest.
Speaker 4: Of the season only own a rookie contract.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so to me, I look at this from
Speaker 1: a drafts value standpoint, and I'm like, you could pretty
Speaker 1: much and the and the cap space, you can restart
Speaker 1: your team.
Speaker 3: You can rejump everything. You could come out next year.
Speaker 3: And if you're talking about premium people at premium spots, office.
Speaker 1: Of line, you can recreate it. And they have like
Speaker 1: next like the next year's already got your friend. It's
Speaker 1: like like right now, in terms of the draft evaluation process,
Speaker 1: tackle is gonna be one of the premium positions, quarterback, receiver,
Speaker 1: all these positions of like really high positional value. There's
Speaker 1: a ton of guys. You're gonna be able to get
Speaker 1: one a good football player, and.
Speaker 3: Then think about it, who are you losing contract wise?
Speaker 4: I think Curtis Samuels is up. I think Saint Juice
Speaker 4: might be up.
Speaker 3: Cam You're gonna pay like you're still gonna have tons
Speaker 3: of cap space.
Speaker 4: Interesting and not a lot of positions to fiel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I think what you're you're not
Speaker 1: looking to fill positions, but you're looking probably at the
Speaker 1: upgrade positions and just add to that depth. And I
Speaker 1: think about some of the best teams I was on,
Speaker 1: and it was it was always you're like, man, we
Speaker 1: don't have any holes. They go through the draft to
Speaker 1: go free agency, and then they just make these environments
Speaker 1: that were so competitive and they bring in another veterans boarder,
Speaker 1: bring another veteran offensive line, and you're like, man, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be a dogfight there. Yeah, they bring it an
Speaker 1: extra tight end. Your man, I gotta bring my a
Speaker 1: game or extra receiver, whatever it is. So I think
Speaker 1: they're just gonna have this fantastic opportunity to to just
Speaker 1: to jump start the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's one of the things that I used
Speaker 2: to love about this game, man like to bring in
Speaker 2: the other guys. Competition was always key for me, Like
Speaker 2: I loved it. I never I never watched the draft.
Speaker 2: I care less about free agency. All I know my
Speaker 2: job was secure and the only way I could keep
Speaker 2: it secure about going out there and being ready for
Speaker 2: every day.
Speaker 1: Did you have a this is maybe it's a little
Speaker 1: off track. Did you have like a big competition in
Speaker 1: off season you were like, man, I really got to
Speaker 1: bring it this year, or a guy that they brought it.
Speaker 2: I got older, never had a competition from a player,
Speaker 2: I don't think ever, like I never really like you
Speaker 2: bringing guys. I'm gonna, I'm gonna find a way we're
Speaker 2: gonna work together, like we're gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be one of the guys. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But the only one time I think I had competition
Speaker 2: as even being on the team was in year probably
Speaker 2: was twelve or thirteen. It was twelve going into twenty
Speaker 2: twelve season. That was year twelve, and I got a
Speaker 2: call from Mike like, say, Tanning, you two hundred and
Speaker 2: ten pounds if you don'na come back in one ninety something,
Speaker 2: you ain't gonna be on the team, thank you. Course,
Speaker 2: what I needed I was I was going through a
Speaker 2: whole lot out of the field, and I was just
Speaker 2: eating myself to yeah, I think I just had And
Speaker 2: that was two thousand. That was going to twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: The year prior to that, I was two hundred.
Speaker 4: I was two five.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I'm telling you these numbers because I played
Speaker 2: at one ninety five or one ninety at two at
Speaker 2: two hundred and five. After I had last my third
Speaker 2: knee surgery, I basically didn't work out and got big
Speaker 2: and had some off the field stuff that I was
Speaker 2: dealing with, and still had eleven hundred. I had one
Speaker 2: thousand yards with ninety something catches. First time I have
Speaker 2: a court, ninety something passes and I had, I believe
Speaker 2: that year six or seven touchdown. So mentally, I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm killing people and I'm out of shape. So I
Speaker 2: cared less. So but at two out of twelve, I
Speaker 2: needed that call. I needed it because I feel like
Speaker 2: that I had been praying, praying, and I'm serious, I
Speaker 2: do this Sometimes I just like, man, come on, give
Speaker 2: me a sign. Then I need to do something. Different town,
Speaker 2: you know, Jesus and bro I came back in. I
Speaker 2: promise you I remember the spring when I walked in here.
Speaker 2: Mike say, damn, you lost yourself. You lost two of you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was one hundred ninety pounds.
Speaker 1: I needed that just twenty pounds. It's funny when I
Speaker 1: asked that question, I forget how good you were. I
Speaker 1: forget like you were like the dude every year I
Speaker 1: did tell you the story. In two thousand and eleven,
Speaker 1: I like did this charity thing and there was a
Speaker 1: couple of scouts there. We were talking afterwards, and the scout,
Speaker 1: like unsolicited, was like like he kind of got this
Speaker 1: look in his eye and he goes, I am trying
Speaker 1: to replace you every possible second, because I don't think
Speaker 1: you're that good at football. And I was just like, okay,
Speaker 1: and so so every year, every year they'd bring in
Speaker 1: two or three guys, and I was just like, man,
Speaker 1: I just got to just grind.
Speaker 2: And so like the words of tall guy like yourself,
Speaker 2: who's confident and motivated to go out there and do
Speaker 2: what you do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so but I'm just saying, like, for I
Speaker 1: forgot that you were like you were like the comfort,
Speaker 1: and for me it was like they'd bring in like
Speaker 1: when they brought in Vernon Davis. I remember everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 1: Vernon Davis is over the hill, Like oh, this is
Speaker 1: all done. And I remember like the first day we
Speaker 1: were doing uh like routes on air and Kirk took
Speaker 1: like a five step drop and he outran the throw
Speaker 1: from a seam, you know, and I was just like, well,
Speaker 1: he's definitely not cooked.
Speaker 2: So but you can honestly say that I've always had
Speaker 2: to deal with them bringing as a receiver. You bring
Speaker 2: in so many receivers anyway.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying you never had one. You never had
Speaker 1: one that like stressed you, is what I'm saying here.
Speaker 1: Was never like, oh hey we're riding Julio Johns. We
Speaker 1: think about this in dB.
Speaker 3: My first dB room from drafted at twenty years old
Speaker 3: was the sanders Dale Green and Champagne.
Speaker 4: Well then we kept morphing.
Speaker 2: Then it was just me and Shun.
Speaker 3: Then it was me Shunk Carlos. Then it was me
Speaker 3: Shunk Carlos d Hall. Then it was like it was
Speaker 3: always like Laurn Landry in the back. It was always
Speaker 3: an all star cares. That's one position that I think
Speaker 3: Washington has always coveted it, and then most of the
Speaker 3: time always got right was the cornerback position.
Speaker 2: So it was always cushing through that, you know. That's
Speaker 2: how it was to in college. I think when you
Speaker 2: came onto a college and you like basically a walk
Speaker 2: on and you see Jamie Jermy, Magic Benton, oh My Role,
Speaker 2: and Reggie Wayne come in as the top top recruit.
Speaker 2: Darryl Jones is the top recruit, but a dude named
Speaker 2: Daryl Williams that was I mean, my bad. Robert Williams
Speaker 2: was better than Yeah this in Miami that was supposed
Speaker 2: to be better than Reggie and Darryl Jones. All those
Speaker 2: guys are freshman's with me. Another guy named Andre King,
Speaker 2: who's twenty something years old. He was there. Boy, he
Speaker 2: was twenty seven years old. He was an ex baseball player. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So when you had all these guys come in and
Speaker 2: it's just now it's me like, I all got guys
Speaker 2: there and guys you came in with, and you're just like,
Speaker 2: that's competition. It makes if you a ball, It brings
Speaker 2: the best out of you. It should be to like
Speaker 2: you should say it's time to go. I swear I
Speaker 2: used to always tell myself, I forgot that. My dad
Speaker 2: was the one that said a coach somebody told me,
Speaker 2: make sure when you leave the field that day that
Speaker 2: the coaching staff is saying something about you in a
Speaker 2: positive way. I tell my kids that to this day,
Speaker 2: I want to step off the field, and they be like,
Speaker 2: because I to hear it, and I hold forty eight
Speaker 2: I told you that you're my freshman. And guys used
Speaker 2: to be looked, but it was the greatest feeling when
Speaker 2: they say who they hell that forty eighty and before
Speaker 2: you know it, you know, before you know it, like
Speaker 2: now people are gravitating to you, like you're just sitting
Speaker 2: in the locker room, like I'm just trying to make
Speaker 2: the team, trying to find out who my friends. My
Speaker 2: roommate is a guy that played high school with me,
Speaker 2: so I know I got him as a friend. I
Speaker 2: ain't trying to talk to him. I thought of him
Speaker 2: every day. I'm trying to see who else know me
Speaker 2: and guys coming here, Hey boy, good practice, Hey hey
Speaker 2: forty good practice. Before you know it, now the coach
Speaker 2: is staff coming. He says, hey, you can do this,
Speaker 2: you can do this. Y'all got that coach, and now
Speaker 2: you got there cutting grass. So I say all I
Speaker 2: have to say this. When I was in the league, man,
Speaker 2: I care less about who you brought in because I
Speaker 2: understood who I am, who you were. I was very
Speaker 2: sure about myself and I can hear less about the
Speaker 2: next guy. As long as you gave me the opportunity,
Speaker 2: I was gonna.
Speaker 1: Pduce one hundred percent. All right, well, I think that's
Speaker 1: in the leader. Sto our next segment, and we're going
Speaker 1: to bring in our.
Speaker 2: Producer here with a head full of hats.
Speaker 1: Gorgeous hair. We'll have you on camera one time just
Speaker 1: so you can see his hair.
Speaker 2: Hair.
Speaker 1: So, Jason, how you doing, buddy?
Speaker 5: I'm doing good.
Speaker 2: Producer.
Speaker 5: Jason will never be in front.
Speaker 1: Of the oh bummer. So, yeah, you have a little
Speaker 1: baby girl. How would you would you dress up for Halloween?
Speaker 4: Well, I didn't do anything.
Speaker 5: My beautiful wife, yeah, so she was an avocado or
Speaker 5: a little little.
Speaker 4: Baby, but not taking a chipotle. Well then, uh, my
Speaker 4: wife was a burrito like Chile.
Speaker 1: And then I was the tinfoil like you said us
Speaker 1: A picture was really cute. At first I didn't get it.
Speaker 1: I was like, what's going on here? But then it
Speaker 1: made sense.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Then we all like, yeah, that was luke warm.
Speaker 2: It was kind of cold on that.
Speaker 5: So the tinfoil that I had was one of those
Speaker 5: emergency blank.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah that was great.
Speaker 2: Did you.
Speaker 4: Up as a deer? And then his girl dressed up
Speaker 4: as a hit light?
Speaker 2: I saw that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that was kind of a pretty popular costume, but.
Speaker 2: Those are will throw it out costumes. I feel I.
Speaker 1: Feel like she came up with that on her own.
Speaker 1: I didn't see that anywhere else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Caitlin, Yeah, of course. My wife is very
Speaker 5: like former preschool teacher, like very resourceful, and she's like,
Speaker 5: what can we do cheap?
Speaker 1: But then I feel like the Heineke thing, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's something you buy at the store because I
Speaker 1: saw it a couple of different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, So Jason, what's the
Speaker 2: next segment we got?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we got a little segment here called Haters
Speaker 5: Gonna Hate. Hey, producer, Jason's not going to be a
Speaker 5: part of this.
Speaker 2: This ter Jason Steelki Johnston.
Speaker 1: This is stuff you've heard from fans, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just there are haters out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's in the world. I'm not even gonna say
Speaker 4: there are fans.
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say I've seen it.
Speaker 2: They feel that I seen it.
Speaker 4: My family got haters in it.
Speaker 5: So you're here, comes somebody, Here comes some hate. You
Speaker 5: tell me if if I'm a real hater here or
Speaker 5: if there's something you know we lost in these traits.
Speaker 4: We didn't get enough back, we didn't get anything.
Speaker 1: I hate.
Speaker 2: I hate.
Speaker 1: I hate having conversations with people like that because there's
Speaker 1: like an emotional attachment.
Speaker 4: To people that you know you was gonna lose anyway.
Speaker 1: And you could and you could present every piece of
Speaker 1: factual information.
Speaker 4: This is why I know you a hater for that one.
Speaker 3: It's like seeing your ex girlfriend knowing you don't really
Speaker 3: want them, but you see a happy with her new boyfriend,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: You want to hate on them. Like that's what it
Speaker 2: is right there.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you gotta let go if you really love somebody.
Speaker 3: That with Make's wife told, if you really love somebody,
Speaker 3: you gotta let them go.
Speaker 2: I mean when I hear that, When I hear that,
Speaker 2: I look at guys who's saying that, because I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: you're just not happy. You hate it, but you're just
Speaker 2: not happy because you weren't happy with the guys here
Speaker 2: and now you're not happy that they're gone and what
Speaker 2: we got and getting back and we don't even know
Speaker 2: what we potentially getting back.
Speaker 4: Listening to haters our morning because the sports Johnny, But
Speaker 4: so say.
Speaker 1: This with the Montes sweat thing, Yeah, that value equal
Speaker 1: is very good for a guy that's not under contract
Speaker 1: for next year. I think that's the thing. If he
Speaker 1: was under contract for like five years, he'd be like,
Speaker 1: that's terrible.
Speaker 2: Thinking about this though, too. And I don't want to
Speaker 2: cut you up. I say this all say you do
Speaker 2: it because you don't know how to apologize, and you
Speaker 2: cut somebody. Yeah, so I always let you know. I
Speaker 2: don't want to, but I'm apologized. But about how we
Speaker 2: got back, how we got into the whole first round
Speaker 2: to get Montese when he came, we got him in
Speaker 2: very late, so you don't know what's around at that
Speaker 2: time that's gonna be potentially that that's gonna be able
Speaker 2: to help you. He was a valuable pick pick up
Speaker 2: in the twenty six pick, yeah, twenty six, so it
Speaker 2: might be a Montesa somebody better at Ron fall again,
Speaker 2: we see it every year. That's why I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't get when people go to talking before we can
Speaker 2: even see what's available.
Speaker 3: And I always tell people college, he's remaking another version
Speaker 3: of us every year, and it might be scrowing, go fast,
Speaker 3: but still at the end of you just just relax.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so Tanny, you brought this up when we
Speaker 1: talked earlier. Basically, he was gonna either you're either going
Speaker 1: to resign him or he's gonna walk at the end
Speaker 1: of the year. And if he's gonna walk for nothing,
Speaker 1: I'd rather get a basically a late first round pick. Well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be, you know, a thirty fifth smell blind.
Speaker 1: And so so that's what i'd say to that that fan,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, or that that hater. Yeah, is that
Speaker 1: while this seems bad, you're that value for Montez at
Speaker 1: this moment of this franchise and at this moment of
Speaker 1: his career and his contract situation. It's you can't pass
Speaker 1: that up.
Speaker 2: I say, coming some select jack. Yeah. So but the
Speaker 2: one that I.
Speaker 1: Think fans have might have, like they see it on paper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they say Chase Young, the former second over post a boy,
Speaker 1: it is the name, Yeah, for a compensatory third round pick,
Speaker 1: which is basically a fourth round pick. Did we get
Speaker 1: Hose in that deal? And what I would say to
Speaker 1: them is he's been hurt. His production, while at times
Speaker 1: has been very high, I'd say, has not lived up
Speaker 1: to expectation for years. He has under twenty six, right,
Speaker 1: And again we all think he's a good player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying yeah, But but perception
Speaker 3: sometimes outweighs reality.
Speaker 2: Yes, And it's not even about that, it's just the
Speaker 2: potential hasn't really gotten to be anything yet because of
Speaker 2: the injury, and he hasn't been on the field. So
Speaker 2: when you don't have the reps, you can't really see
Speaker 2: what you really who you are, bingo.
Speaker 1: And so if I'm a team, I'm not If I'm
Speaker 1: a team trading for Chase, I'm not going to give
Speaker 1: up anything of significant value because I'm like, I'm unsure
Speaker 1: he's been hurt and he's been kind of lukewarm in
Speaker 1: terms of production. Yeah, So that's why, like, that's probably
Speaker 1: the best they could have gotten, in my opinion, is
Speaker 1: that kind of range of pick. And I think that's
Speaker 1: pretty generous.
Speaker 2: By and still looking out for him and sending him
Speaker 2: away to somewhere where he could potent to be.
Speaker 4: The guy get blossomed.
Speaker 3: That was like that was like ally for him, he
Speaker 3: can blossom there, he possibly win a super Bowl. But
Speaker 3: I think people had this this view of his rookie year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's how when they see this rookie year and
Speaker 3: I hate the bust they bubb on that one.
Speaker 2: It was a good rookie year.
Speaker 4: But I've seen better.
Speaker 2: I mean it was it was such I'll perform that, yes,
Speaker 2: sax wife, but he got the credit. But because they
Speaker 2: fumble recovered that he picked up.
Speaker 1: But it's also like I was talking to I was
Speaker 1: talking to Ryan Kerrigan. This was way long time ago,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, how was your rookie
Speaker 1: year and he was like, I had seven sacks, I
Speaker 1: had two fumble recoveries and it was like almost identical.
Speaker 1: And you know, well Ryan had a very good rookie yar.
Speaker 1: People weren't hyping.
Speaker 2: Up the same.
Speaker 1: He wasn't the number two p yeah right, yeah, And
Speaker 1: so I think there's a little bit of that perception
Speaker 1: that goes into that.
Speaker 3: So you have a perception in the NFL has a
Speaker 3: perception of him. The NFL perception was a third round
Speaker 3: because he got shopped and people said, no, I'm not
Speaker 3: giving you that.
Speaker 2: I'd rather have him right, right, absolutely right.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that calls your hate hate.
Speaker 5: And one of the things, you know what, show he's
Speaker 5: just not the guy.
Speaker 4: Too many turnovers, not showing me enough, He just isn't it.
Speaker 2: We got to move on.
Speaker 4: The best quarterback we have since Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm so glad you brought that up, though, Sorry
Speaker 1: I cut you off.
Speaker 2: So let me just say this.
Speaker 1: So people say, oh, he's not ready, he's got too
Speaker 1: many turnovers, whatever, whatever, whatever, I think back to Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins his rookie year and they're they're very similar in
Speaker 1: terms of production. You're this guy's gonna grow up. He's
Speaker 1: gotten better every single week, every week, and he's way
Speaker 1: more physically talented than Kirk Cousins. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he's got to beat Kirk Cousins, but I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: having a guy who's very talented, he's got that competitive moxie,
Speaker 1: he's got that in fact, and he's gotten better every week.
Speaker 2: And that's me. That's so port And so when I
Speaker 2: look at that, sir, what if.
Speaker 3: I told the fans, this is the worst version of him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this year, it's the worst version of Sam Hat. He
Speaker 3: can only get batter And what if I shocked you
Speaker 3: and told you this, Pat Mahomes, God's gift to quarterback
Speaker 3: only got one hundred and forty more yards than Sam,
Speaker 3: only got two more touchdowns in the interceptions of right there,
Speaker 3: So step back Hat.
Speaker 4: And let this man graduate.
Speaker 1: And so we were going to talk about the Philly game.
Speaker 1: Like in that game, I mean he's starting, he completes
Speaker 1: his first seven passes. Yes, he looks in total control
Speaker 1: pretty much the whole game. Obviously, we talked about this
Speaker 1: on you know, in our production meeting. There's that there's
Speaker 1: like a ten play sequence at the eight thirty mark
Speaker 1: after where he looks a little bit flummoxed. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's a young football player. Very those things are going
Speaker 1: to happen. He threw an interception there, he looked a
Speaker 1: little tight on fourth down whatever whatever, Missmbalssentarry. That's frustrating.
Speaker 1: But also he's a young football player who threw for
Speaker 1: four hunds the football against.
Speaker 2: He still gathering information. I think when when you watch
Speaker 2: him play, that's why you see every week it's like
Speaker 2: a new guy out there. Like he goes from having
Speaker 2: one of his best games and then the next week
Speaker 2: he gets something different that he wasn't ed to or
Speaker 2: I haven't seen yet, and then he goes back, he
Speaker 2: regress a little bit, and then I guess what, the
Speaker 2: next week he goes back to having on even a
Speaker 2: better game. He's gathering information on the go on the fly.
Speaker 2: So when you see that being done and you see
Speaker 2: a guy that can say, Okay, this is what I
Speaker 2: did wrong last week, I'm better that, you have have
Speaker 2: to have hope and respect to say, man, this guy
Speaker 2: is the guy here. You can't really hate that because
Speaker 2: being young, normally see young guys melt and be a
Speaker 2: shut of theirself. They can't even deal with that week
Speaker 2: to week. Yeah you know what I mean, dysfunction of
Speaker 2: not knowing what the defense is gonna bring and he
Speaker 2: knows they're gonna blitz him half the time.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I tell you, hey, at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, I feel like Sam howl ain't even made
Speaker 3: it to his bye week.
Speaker 2: Like are you serious? All right, we ain't. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell you what.
Speaker 3: When people are not used to stuff, they don't know
Speaker 3: how to treat it. We are not used to good
Speaker 3: quarterback here, so we don't know how to watch it for.
Speaker 1: Grace well, and I think also to that point, Fred,
Speaker 1: it's it's you don't watch people. People watch this team
Speaker 1: when you watch other games, when you watch other teams,
Speaker 1: when you study other teams, you realize that it's this
Speaker 1: is good, this is pretty.
Speaker 2: You want to know what stinks?
Speaker 4: They have a quarterback. They're what stinking quarterback look like.
Speaker 1: And so let's do this real quick. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: confidence meter. Our confidence meter. It just go around the league.
Speaker 1: And so the one that's fresh in my mind because
Speaker 1: I just watched a lot of them is Mac Jones.
Speaker 1: Would you rather have Mac Jones a former first round
Speaker 1: pick or Sam Howe? I think this is an easy one.
Speaker 1: And what's your confidence meter in Mac Jones winning you
Speaker 1: a game five and a half, five and a half
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, guys, it straight.
Speaker 2: No no here.
Speaker 3: Got a thing about Matt Jones is he's too emotional combustible,
Speaker 3: like if you watch him, and even coach Saban said
Speaker 3: he was like the one thing if I had to
Speaker 3: tell mex that we had control when he was at Alabama,
Speaker 3: we controlled his emotion. Like when he make a band play,
Speaker 3: he whined like a baby. When he make a good play,
Speaker 3: he's a static.
Speaker 2: Know what I love about Sam?
Speaker 4: Sam is just middle.
Speaker 3: I'm not mon emotional man. I still got three quarters
Speaker 3: of ball to player. I don't care nothing about that.
Speaker 3: I still got to go play ball.
Speaker 2: So I the covenant is.
Speaker 4: Matter in mac Jones. His name too regular too.
Speaker 2: I'm not to give it a four. Four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not very confident in right now. I think
Speaker 1: he had a really good game against the Bills. Was
Speaker 1: that two weeks ago? But he's had some absolutely well
Speaker 1: you look.
Speaker 2: At him his first year. John mc dange's really was
Speaker 2: the kind of the puppet master behind him having that
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl season. So it's all about, too, who you
Speaker 2: got calling the players, who you got putting you in position?
Speaker 4: Who catching it? Kendrick Bard just got hurt.
Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne. Uh, Parker's hurt there for them too, but nobody.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about. So it's Tommy DeVito, He's starting in
Speaker 1: New York.
Speaker 4: He has he has less yours than the dead Man.
Speaker 2: Don't you know? He got next negative negative? Your past?
Speaker 6: What screen play got stopped on the back from that
Speaker 6: sounds fitting for New Yorkers, Like, No, it's like one
Speaker 6: of those those those Gambino movies or something, the Beato.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure that in Good Fellas, Joe Petty's character's
Speaker 5: name is Timmy Daviata.
Speaker 4: And he also got a niggative.
Speaker 1: But you know, like there's some bad quarterbacks the I mean,
Speaker 1: how would you feel if if Jordan Love is.
Speaker 2: The quarterback here?
Speaker 1: Would you?
Speaker 2: Would you like Jordan Love? I do take him over Sam, No,
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not. It's hard he is younger, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, but also to you, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: can't answer that. Is it like a wash for you?
Speaker 1: Kind of in terms of comp because I feel like
Speaker 1: when I watched Jordan Love, I mean, there there are various.
Speaker 2: Plays where he have he have He shows you the potential.
Speaker 2: Then I see plays to where he's kind of still
Speaker 2: learning and trying to figure it out, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I think get too much props. I'm not sold
Speaker 4: on him.
Speaker 2: Floor.
Speaker 4: I'm not sold on the floor.
Speaker 2: I'm sold on the floor.
Speaker 1: I think the thing about Green Bay, just to give
Speaker 1: some context, is they have all all of their all
Speaker 1: of their offensive playmakers out of the running back are
Speaker 1: in their first or second year behind an offensive line
Speaker 1: that suffer a lot of injuries. So I don't think
Speaker 1: you can kind of.
Speaker 2: And that's why I say you can't really show because
Speaker 2: that especially the officer line. I think the officer line
Speaker 2: is to me, the deciding the fact that when it
Speaker 2: comes to a lot of quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: Come to the offensive players period.
Speaker 2: Don't hurt no ball that hurts how much time he
Speaker 2: sits there, and don't don't flint he holds the ball
Speaker 2: more than like if you put him behind the office
Speaker 2: of line and got the bread man, we'll be we'll
Speaker 2: be looking at Hurts like we look at Sam like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, We'll be having those same
Speaker 2: questions at time. So to me, I think you can't really,
Speaker 2: you know, give those guys a good rating or say
Speaker 2: what it is behind them until they get their true
Speaker 2: protection or get behind a good team that's going to
Speaker 2: put him in situations that we can really see him
Speaker 2: flirt right Logan, Hey, dewy Cox, what you thinking about him? Man?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, you know, I really like Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: I think he's got some ability. I do think there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of irregularity in game for me, I
Speaker 1: just or something about Sam like when he's on, he's on,
Speaker 1: he is on. Yeah, like watching him in that Philly game,
Speaker 1: just how consistent, how poised he is, you can make
Speaker 1: every single throw. I mean I still think about that
Speaker 1: Broncos game. A couple throws me in that game, and I.
Speaker 3: Just like that is we throw for child I mean
Speaker 3: Childer to me, the one that that was great man
Speaker 3: man as a conaback this show Wards nightmare.
Speaker 4: I could be in this hill pocket but that passed.
Speaker 1: I can't defat or the Baali through the Gibson on
Speaker 1: the rail. I can't right over the top there right
Speaker 1: in the bucket. And so you see enough of those
Speaker 1: high level things and right now, I think the thing
Speaker 1: that is like the biggest glaring issue with his game
Speaker 1: is that he takes a lot of sacks. But you've
Speaker 1: seen that eb if he calls a good game or
Speaker 1: he calls the right game, because he's always calling pretty
Speaker 1: good games. Yeah, like getting out of that five step
Speaker 1: drop stuff a little bit more like he took he
Speaker 1: took one secon against Philly, Yeah, and absolutely deal late
Speaker 1: sack and it was on a fourth and five and
Speaker 1: in the louds portion of So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I look at that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, there there's so much there to be
Speaker 1: excited about with Sam, And if you're a fan of him,
Speaker 1: I know this hater over here is doing whatever he's doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he throwing out, But I just think there's enough outside
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna get better.
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Like there's certain times you're like, you watch a quarterback
Speaker 1: and you're like, for example, with Mac Jones, like what
Speaker 1: is his ceiling? Because you watch him and he does
Speaker 1: these process as well. His arm talent's not there, so
Speaker 1: they have a really hard time pushing the ball to
Speaker 1: the sideline and.
Speaker 2: He don't do it right.
Speaker 1: And I think with Sam, you see all the physical
Speaker 1: tools and you see the mental stuff starting to come
Speaker 1: with it. And I'm just saying, if he can become
Speaker 1: And I just think about Kirk early in his career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone everyone was hating on Kirk, but he developed into
Speaker 1: But he developed into one of the best, one of
Speaker 1: the better quarterbacks in the league, is what I'd say.
Speaker 1: And I think I think Sam is ahead.
Speaker 2: Of that right now. Yeah, So did that all right?
Speaker 4: Sails?
Speaker 1: So Jason are we doing this? Are you hating this one?
Speaker 1: Or are we doing this one?
Speaker 2: On? Around here?
Speaker 1: This team can't make the playoffs?
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 4: That's a hater right there.
Speaker 2: I can't do it. We can't do it.
Speaker 5: We're too far behind. We're giving up pieces. Sam, howel
Speaker 5: ain't it We're not getting there?
Speaker 2: Can't do it well? Like his voice asked, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: love it. Hater's voice, right, It's fitting the character, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Because you know Jason and I
Speaker 2: know don't talk, you know, but you know I was
Speaker 2: just talking to this. I was talking to Sheen. I said,
Speaker 2: I kind of talked about just that twenty twelve season
Speaker 2: we had, man, it was three and six that year
Speaker 2: and found our way in the playoffs until I found
Speaker 2: our way riding high going into the playoffs. So anything
Speaker 2: is possible, you know what I mean. And now you
Speaker 2: have an extra game, so you know, you never know
Speaker 2: what can happen late in the season. But I will
Speaker 2: also say this, I will understand the little hate behind
Speaker 2: this one because of who we just you know, got
Speaker 2: rid of. But then you, like I said before, you
Speaker 2: haven't been watching what we have at depth. You haven't
Speaker 2: been watching this team as a whole and let them play.
Speaker 2: I think when you let it, let a team go
Speaker 2: out there and play, eventually they gonna show you who
Speaker 2: they are. And I think we have at least three
Speaker 2: to four more games. I'm about three games to really
Speaker 2: say we're going to be in and on the three
Speaker 2: or four games.
Speaker 3: I think it's one of them things where all right,
Speaker 3: let's go realistic. We already oer and three in the division,
Speaker 3: but we can go five hundred in the division. You
Speaker 3: can still go three and three in individual. You got
Speaker 3: some games you can win. You got the New England
Speaker 3: Patriots ahead. Of course, people gonna look and say, Miami,
Speaker 3: it looks something beatable, But I watch them get beat
Speaker 3: all the time, like it's ways to see how it's
Speaker 3: way to make this thing happen.
Speaker 4: I tell them all the time, take every season.
Speaker 3: One game at a time, because once we go and one,
Speaker 3: I mean one and oh and in the season open
Speaker 3: we win in the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Then when we're three and one after.
Speaker 2: Four games, oh, get my ticket? Do you lose to
Speaker 2: in a rowing?
Speaker 1: Ah?
Speaker 2: We just think in his tickets. So you can't go
Speaker 2: on this emotional roller coaster.
Speaker 3: What you can do is sit back and then enjoy
Speaker 3: the riot because I can say this, this is the beginning,
Speaker 3: This is only the beginning.
Speaker 1: And I would say that when you look at this
Speaker 1: team in ten, I think you just brought this up,
Speaker 1: and I just want to reiterate something there is when
Speaker 1: I look at this offense and I see what they
Speaker 1: did against Philly in both outings, I say, that is
Speaker 1: an offense that can win you some football games. Right,
Speaker 1: So if they can, if they can play with that
Speaker 1: level of consistency, it was gonna be tough, Sam, how
Speaker 1: is a young player. It's gonna be tough to play
Speaker 1: with that level of consistency and finding different ways to win.
Speaker 1: You know, can you run the football in some games?
Speaker 1: Can you throw the football like they did in the
Speaker 1: Philly games? And then can the defense play a little
Speaker 1: bit better a lot better? And so but I'm saying
Speaker 1: we're talking about in a close game, can they make
Speaker 1: the one or two plays we need?
Speaker 2: Right? Can they make the one or two plays we need?
Speaker 1: And that's something that I would say is gonna be
Speaker 1: if if that happens, which I think is entirely possible.
Speaker 1: It's entirely possible that happens. Let's say Benjamin Saint Juice.
Speaker 1: And let's just take the Philly game, because we're just
Speaker 1: talking Abo. He makes that PBu with makes PBu with
Speaker 1: one hand, Ki yeah, right, or they break up that
Speaker 1: pass to Julio and the enzng right, two plays, totally
Speaker 1: different outcome of the game. Or Forbes in that Tampa too.
Speaker 2: Right, or Forbes you know, don't keep running fading back on.
Speaker 4: Now and just finish the play at the highest point.
Speaker 1: And I think that, like then the game is completely
Speaker 1: different and all of a sudden, you don't need thirty
Speaker 1: points to score, you just need twenty eighth and that's
Speaker 1: a much more reasonable thing. And against some teams with
Speaker 1: like less efficient quarterback play, I think that's gonna be plenty.
Speaker 1: So can the defense make five more plays and can
Speaker 1: the offense play with this level of consistency for the
Speaker 1: rest of the season, because that's objectively good offense for
Speaker 1: three and a half quarters And so if they can
Speaker 1: do that, and I do think and I do think,
Speaker 1: we talked about them moving some of these pieces. Jack
Speaker 1: win Chase has been out, has been a little bit
Speaker 1: more exotic, and I think that will be helpful.
Speaker 2: And we'll see.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't have any of this is
Speaker 1: an inside baseball. It's just like based on past performance
Speaker 1: what I think happened. So there's a very real possibility
Speaker 1: that they play better, they win some games they shouldn't win,
Speaker 1: and they win the games they should win, and they
Speaker 1: end up in the playoffs. You know, it's interesting. You
Speaker 1: made me think back to twenty ten and eleven with
Speaker 1: Kyle and I remember we had like, you know, obviously
Speaker 1: Tannis here, but we had like Jabbar Gaffney and Star
Speaker 1: Wars and guys that were good football players. But and
Speaker 1: you know, Rex Rex Grossman was the quarterback and I
Speaker 1: love Rex, but we were not an extremely talented team.
Speaker 1: But the way it forced Kyle and that offensive staff
Speaker 1: to like get in the pen work and say, oh
Speaker 1: we can get this, Oh, look at this coverage, we
Speaker 1: can attack this, look at that we Oh can we
Speaker 1: get with this motion? And it just it elevated, It
Speaker 1: elevated the team because he pushed himself harder. And I
Speaker 1: think maybe that's what Jack does when when montesen or
Speaker 1: when Chase, He's done that, when Chase has been out,
Speaker 1: and so I think just adding that and again it's
Speaker 1: like not like Casey and James have played bad ball.
Speaker 1: They played fine ball. So I think it's definitely a
Speaker 1: possibility to make the playoffs. We understand the hate, but
Speaker 1: but but I think there's a world where that that
Speaker 1: is unwarranted. That hey, and a lot of hate there
Speaker 1: on that one.
Speaker 4: Listen, sometimes you got to lean on Jesus, hater, Jason's gone.
Speaker 1: Look at happier, right, yeah, happier. Well, I think that's
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