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Speaker 1: Imagine the shock, the grappling with what she was hearing

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us here at Crime Stories and on series six

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Speaker 1: one eleven. I can tell you this much. I want

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Speaker 2: And then this is the most egregious part. It is normal, natural, proper,

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Speaker 1: What am I hearing? What am I hearing? Joining me

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Speaker 1: to Ashley Lincoln, investigative reporter WSBTV Channel two News Atlanta. Ashley,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What through a glass

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Speaker 3: It's insane, man, see. I mean, we were all shocked

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Speaker 1: chief forensic pathologist LLC in Ohio, and she has witnessed

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Speaker 5: You're right, you are in that sense, the baby's head

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Speaker 1: What exactly happened. It's not just that the baby's decapitated.

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Speaker 6: Jessica Ross and Trevion Taylor Sr. Are told their baby

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Speaker 1: and World Domination, Doctor Heidi Green, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us, Doctor Heidi. You hear dad turning to the

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Speaker 1: The dad is twenty two and had been with the

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Speaker 6: Jessica Ross and Travion Taylor meet when they are both

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Speaker 1: Isn't that true, Doctor Manisha Pandy, that a beeper goes off,

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Speaker 10: Three hours and ten minutes after Travon Junior's shoulder got

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Speaker 1: When I first heard that, I had to read it

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Speaker 1: salt that goes in your bread. Isn't that true? Dale? Carson,

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Speaker 1: That is absolutely true. Did you hear this detail? Did

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Speaker 1: And you know what I heard, Ashley, when I was

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Speaker 1: Then we have the whole cover up. Tell me again

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's to our knowledge. After the doctor and staff

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Speaker 3: And we do know they did not fall protocol by

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Speaker 1: They're doo born, Ashley Lincoln. Hold on right there. Barry

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Speaker 1: Barry Hutchinson, I would agree with out one hundred percent.

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Speaker 11: And Nancy, I think what it's a nightmare. You know,

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Speaker 11: And one thing that I wanted to ask a question

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Speaker 1: I have that right, Joe Scott.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're absolutely right, Nancy, And it's my belief that

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Speaker 11: If they were in such a state of heightened emergency

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Speaker 11: It just seems to me like they drugged their feet

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Speaker 1: Did you see the analysis in the autopsy the muscular

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Speaker 5: No, this child, this little angel, was viable. Nancy. You

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Speaker 5: And that's why this is so very egregious.

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Speaker 1: reviewed it. Summary of findings and pathologic diagnoses. Fetal demise

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Speaker 1: related to delivery complications. That's putting it mildly. Delivery complications

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Speaker 1: caused by the doctor in the hospital. And we reached

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Speaker 1: out to the hospital and you know, they did not

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Speaker 1: want me to ask them any questions. History of shoulder

440
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: dystocia is that doesn't that just mean the shoulder was dislocated?

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Speaker 5: Scott, Yeah, And it goes to the size of the

442
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Speaker 5: child that's trying to pass through this vaginal and that's

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Speaker 5: an assessment that the practitioner makes and tries to understand that. However,

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Speaker 5: I got to say the point two looking at this,

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Speaker 5: this is key Dale mentioned this just a second ago

446
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Speaker 5: about homicide. They're listing terminal everybody here that word terminal decapitation.

447
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 5: That means that this brought about the end of this

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Speaker 5: baby's life.

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Speaker 12: So they're not saying that the head was removed from

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Speaker 12: the body in the OSPs of report, and there's a

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Speaker 12: reason for that. It would be this is six days later.

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Speaker 12: But it shows up six days later. The body has

453
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Speaker 12: been at a funeral home and God only knows what's

454
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Speaker 12: been it's been put through during that time. And so

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Speaker 12: this is a criminal investigation. It seems clear otherwise it

456
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Speaker 12: wouldn't have been handled by the Medical Examiner's office. So

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Speaker 12: anyone connected with this matter is subject to conspiracy charge

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Speaker 12: in connection with an involuntary homicide.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I would go with involuntary. Uh

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Speaker 1: in oh. They knew what they were doing. They doctor

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00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: knew what the doctor was doing. Uh inn oh. Time

462
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Greece. Back to the summary of pathologic diagnoses.

463
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Speaker 1: B head trauma, extensive subscalpular hemorrhage. I mean he's bruising

464
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Speaker 1: and bleeding, posterior cranial fossa fracture. The cranium was fracture. Okay,

465
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Speaker 1: you have to read every word of this autopsy to

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Speaker 1: understand what happened to this baby. The skull, the cranium

467
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Speaker 1: was fractured. There is bleeding, hemorrhage, neck trauma, soft tissue hemorrhage.

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Speaker 1: Hemorrhage means bleeding which turns it to a bruise. Yes, no, Joe.

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Speaker 5: Scott, Yes, yes, you're absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Normally formed and developed infant male, absence of natural disease,

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Speaker 1: absence of any congenital abnormalities. This baby was perfect. And

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Speaker 1: it doesn't end there. Oh no, it doesn't end there.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear Del Carson say the funeral home contacted

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Speaker 1: the medical examiner. Okay, listen to Dave Matt Crime Online.

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Speaker 9: When Jessica Ross and Trevion Taylor Senior asked questions about

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Speaker 9: what happened, they're a buffed. They ask about having an

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Speaker 9: autopsy done. Hospital staff tells them they're not entitled to

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Speaker 9: a free autopsy. The hospital staff also strongly encourages the

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Speaker 9: couple to have the baby cremated. Ross and Taylor refused

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Speaker 9: to have their baby cremated, and the hospital has the

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Speaker 9: body of Travion Isaiah Taylor Jr. Sent to Willie A.

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Speaker 9: Whykin's funeral home.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something, Joe Scott Morgan, you're the

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Speaker 1: expert in issuing death certificates. They tried to tell the parents, well,

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Speaker 1: you'll have to pay for an autopsy. That's bs, that's

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Speaker 1: not true. I've never had a victim's family have to

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Speaker 1: pay for an autopsy ever.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and who wound up having to report this to

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Speaker 5: the medical examiner, Nancy. It was a funeral home, just

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Speaker 5: as you had pointed out, And it goes outside the

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Speaker 5: boundaries of normal practice here because this is listen. I

492
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Speaker 5: worked for them for a long long time and we

493
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Speaker 5: had still bursts. Now these are still burths, okay, which

494
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Speaker 5: this was not. This child did not die in utero.

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Speaker 5: That's why they say there's no maceration there. There's a

496
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Speaker 5: term that she used there that means that I won't

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Speaker 5: go into all the details, but just so that we

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Speaker 5: know this was a viable child when they rolled into

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Speaker 5: the hospital.

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Speaker 1: Back to an autopsy, which was the question. MP. Back

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Speaker 1: on the road out of the weeds, think to the families,

502
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Speaker 1: don't have to pay for an autopsy?

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Speaker 5: Do they know if they reported this case, to the

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Speaker 5: m E. Nancy, the emmy would have come taken this

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Speaker 5: baby and they would have done a post at that

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Speaker 5: very moment in time from the hospital. I can you

507
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Speaker 5: can take that to the bank. I promise you it

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Speaker 5: was not reported to them.

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Speaker 1: Listen to Nicole Parton.

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Speaker 8: Sylvia Watkins is the general manager for Willie A. Watkins

511
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Speaker 8: Funeral Home. When the body of Travon Isaiah Taylor Junior

512
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Speaker 8: arrived at the funeral home from the hospital, she knew

513
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Speaker 8: immediately something was wrong. A body in this condition, where

514
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Speaker 8: the head is not attached to the body, would normally

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Speaker 8: come from the medical Examiner's office, not the hospital. Having

516
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Speaker 8: never seen anything like this before, or Watkins notifies the

517
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Speaker 8: Medical Examiner's office about the condition of the dead infant.

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Speaker 8: The hospital did notify the Medical Examiner's office about the

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Speaker 8: death of the baby, but they were not aware of

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Speaker 8: the condition of the baby until the funeral home notified them.

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Speaker 8: The funeral home also notified Jessica Ross and Trevion Isaiah

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Speaker 8: Taylor about the condition of their baby.

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is investigative reporter Nicole Parton, who

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Speaker 1: also has an expertise and extensive knowledge in the services

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Speaker 1: of funeral homes and embalment. Nicole Parton, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us in all of your expertise. Have you

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Speaker 1: ever seen anything like it?

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Speaker 13: I have not, and I have cared for close to

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Speaker 13: two hundred infants that have came from the hospital that

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Speaker 13: have passed, either stillborn or passed during childbirth. I've never

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Speaker 13: ever seen a child that was decapitated during the birth.

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Speaker 1: Now, what is the procedure in a funeral home when

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Speaker 1: the hospital sends a body over and the funeral home

534
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: looks at the body and says, this isn't right. How

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Speaker 1: did this go Downnicle? Because it's more subterfuged, hiding cover up.

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Speaker 1: They want to get the baby from the hospital to

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Speaker 1: the funeral home. Hopefully the hospital wants her to have

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Speaker 1: a cremation so there's no evidence of what has happened,

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Speaker 1: but the parents refuse the cremation, so the baby gets

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Speaker 1: sent to the funeral home. What happens upon intake?

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Speaker 13: And this funeral home did everything right, so up on

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Speaker 13: intake of a body, of course, the deceased individual is

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Speaker 13: received and staff of that funeral home will open the

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Speaker 13: body bag, will confirm the name, the ID numbers, and

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Speaker 13: will begin to evaluate the body in this baby's case.

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Speaker 13: Immediately the staff said, wait a minute, the head is

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Speaker 13: detached from the body.

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Speaker 3: This is not normal.

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Speaker 13: Under no circumstances whatsoever would the funeral home receive a

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Speaker 13: body from the hospital in that manner. Anytime the death

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Speaker 13: is suspicious or uncommon, or the person passed away from

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Speaker 13: something other than what they were being treated for. Immediately,

553
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Speaker 13: the medical Examiner's office would have been involved, not the

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Speaker 13: funeral home first. So the funeral home recognizes the mistake

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Speaker 13: and right away calls the medical Examiner's office.

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Speaker 1: You're right, Nicole Parton again, the manager of Watkins's funeral Home, Sylvania.

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Speaker 1: Watkins says that she recalls the intake of baby Trevon

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Junior's body and realized something was wrong, horribly wrong.

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Speaker 1: That it was a red flag her words, not mine,

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00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: a red flag that the baby's body had come from

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Speaker 1: Southern Regional Center to the funeral home in this condition.

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Speaker 1: So what does she do upon getting the baby's body

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Speaker 1: with the head disattached?

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Speaker 3: Ashley, she contacted the Clayton County Medical Examiner's office because

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Speaker 3: the new protocol wasn't followed and they knew something was off.

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Speaker 1: It was the funeral home, not the hospital, who first

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Speaker 1: informed anyone, including the parents of the baby's state. Is

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Speaker 1: that correct, Ashley? In other words, they heard from the

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Speaker 1: funeral home their baby had been decapitated.

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Speaker 3: The family did find out from the funeral homes, sing Julian.

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Speaker 3: She she just told them at the hospital that he

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Speaker 3: passed and it was the funeral home who notified the family.

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Speaker 1: To Joe Scott Morgan, professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University,

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Speaker 1: author of Bloodmain My Feet, and host on a hit

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Speaker 1: series Body Bags. And when I say professor are forensics

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Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University, Their criminal justice and forensics program

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Speaker 1: is amazing. Joe Scott during an autopsy. I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: this until I prosecuted my first homicide. It's very typical

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Speaker 1: SOP standard operating procedure to take photos of the deceased

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Speaker 1: that in the future may be used at trial. Is

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Speaker 1: that correct?

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's correct, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: And why are photos taken of the deceased body Because.

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Speaker 5: You're freezing that moment in time. You can't go back

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Speaker 5: to it at all, And so the people in the courtroom,

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Speaker 5: they have to be oriented to what the physician is saying.

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Speaker 5: The forensic pathologist on the stand. That's their sole purpose

588
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 5: to illustrate this and again sometimes to refresh witnesses. But

589
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 5: their purpose there is to document what precisely happened that

590
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 5: led up to this terminal event, and the doctor can

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Speaker 5: explain it visa via the pictures.

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Speaker 1: Guys, after this, mom and dad find out their baby

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00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: has had its head cut off cut off during delivery.

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Speaker 1: It didn't just happen as part of the delivery, the

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Speaker 1: baby's head was cut off. They hire someone to do

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Speaker 1: an independent autopsy.

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Speaker 10: Listen Jessica Ross and Trayvon Taylor say they hired doctor

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Speaker 10: Jackson Gates to perform an autopsy. Doctor Gates charged two

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00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 10: five dollars to perform the autopsy, then took video and

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Speaker 10: pictures of the decapitated baby and posted the media to

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Speaker 10: Instagram without permission. The family didn't know about this for days.

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Speaker 8: Roderick Edmund is quoted as saying, what educational value is

603
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Speaker 8: it to anybody to view a picture of a decapitated baby?

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00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 8: A cease and desist was and the photos and videos

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00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 8: were taken down. However, days later, two more videos from

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Speaker 8: the Travion Isaiah Taylor Junior's autopsy were published to gates

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Speaker 8: Instagram page. The new videos included the autopsy of the

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Speaker 8: chess cavity and the cranial cavity of the child.

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Speaker 1: Ashley Lincoln. Does it never end the pain and the

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Speaker 1: suffering of this young mom and dad? So they get

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Speaker 1: this independent autopsy and the guy that performs the autopsy

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Speaker 1: posts or somebody in the office posts the photos of

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Speaker 1: the dead baby online. What on Insta? Is this real?

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Speaker 3: It is real? Unfortunately, I mean my mouth dropped. I

615
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 3: was like yet another layer of trauma for this family.

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Speaker 3: And they were posted by that doctor, that independent pathologist

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Speaker 3: that the family hired. They thought that they were doing

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Speaker 3: something good. Hiring it outside helped since they couldn't trust

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Speaker 3: the hospital yet a loan to have their trust disrupted

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Speaker 3: again by this doctor. The doctor told me I spoke

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Speaker 3: with him directly. He says he had the family's consent

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Speaker 3: to post the photos. Clearly that's something the family and

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Speaker 3: their attorneys are denying. And the doctor he was firm

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Speaker 3: and that he thought to him posting this for educational purposes. Yes,

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Speaker 3: other photos of other autopsies posted on his Instagram page,

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Speaker 3: and the family sent the season desist the internet.

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Speaker 12: They could be everywhere by now.

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Speaker 1: But even if they're down now Dale Carson, they were

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Speaker 1: up certainly, you heard Joe Scott Morgan. I've used autopsy

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Speaker 1: photos at trial before and I would make sure nobody

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Speaker 1: could see them except the gurrs because it's awful and

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Speaker 1: it's disrespectful. This is a little baby. And they posted

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Speaker 1: them online. Well, yes they.

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Speaker 12: Did, and they'll never come down because there are people

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Speaker 12: who want to see that kind of pure.

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Speaker 1: Is that true, Barry Hutcheson Senior.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, it's true. It's already on the dark web, I'm sure.

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Speaker 11: And just like Joe said, there's a lot of sick

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Speaker 11: people out there in the world that will pay good

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Speaker 11: money to see these type of morbid images. And you know,

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Speaker 11: it's sickening and it's horific.

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Speaker 1: No offense to you, Barry Hutchinson, but you're making me

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Speaker 1: sick think about it. After what the mom and dad

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Speaker 1: have been through. She so happy to have this baby.

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Speaker 1: They've been together for years. They're having their first baby.

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Speaker 1: It's a baby boy. They're naming it after dad. He's

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Speaker 1: going to be a junior. Ten hours of labor and

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Speaker 1: the baby is decapitated. I don't mean internal decapitation, where

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Speaker 1: the head is still attached to the body by skin

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Speaker 1: and the head is just loose from the spine, I

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Speaker 1: mean full on head off the body. The body of

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Speaker 1: the baby boy is delivered by c section, his head

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Speaker 1: is delivered vaginally. Now at doctor Jackson Gates's office, they

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Speaker 1: post it online for freaks to look at. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: down now. How many cease and desist orders did it

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Speaker 1: take to get it down? But it's down now. But

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Speaker 1: it's just like Barry Hutchinson Senior and Dale Carsenter saying

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Speaker 1: there's something called the dark web. People actually pay money

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Speaker 1: for this type of a morbid photo. Listen to Cinney

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Speaker 1: Sumner Crime Online.

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Speaker 6: Jessica Ross and Trevion Taylor claimed he did this to

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Speaker 6: increase views of his social media accounts and increase his

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Speaker 6: own notoriety, calling it diabolical. Doctor Rod Edmund told Fox

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Speaker 6: five Atlanta, after all the abuse this young couple has suffered,

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Speaker 6: doctor Gates continue to perpetuate it by posting photos and

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Speaker 6: videos of their decapitated son on Instagram. The couple accused

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Speaker 6: Gates of taking twenty five hundred dollars to perform an

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Speaker 6: autopsy on the baby and then posting a full face

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Speaker 6: picture in videos of his organs on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Actually, link in the case has now been classified as

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Speaker 1: a homicide, and I understand that the local prosecutors there

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Speaker 1: in Clayton County are pondering charges. What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Pondering charges? When are we getting a homicide indictment?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Right now. Clayton Police confirmed with us last week

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Speaker 3: that their investigation is ongoing. They initially say that they

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Speaker 3: handed the case over to the DA's office, but they

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Speaker 3: since walk that back and they're still investigating. So soon

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Speaker 3: as they complete their investigation, it'll get handed over to

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Speaker 3: Clayton County District Attorney's office and they'll have to consider

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Speaker 3: filing charges in this case.

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Speaker 1: Bringing charges, I don't know about you. Del Carson, former

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Speaker 1: FBI nine. Now I profile a lawyer. I love putting

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Speaker 1: a medical doctor on the stand because they think they're

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Speaker 1: smarter than everybody else in the room, and actually usually

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Speaker 1: they really are. But this one, Oh, I would love

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Speaker 1: love to get them on cross examination. So what's the

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Speaker 1: hold up, Clayton County. You're afraid of cross examining a

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Speaker 1: medical doctor. Why are you dragging your feet? I volunteer

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Speaker 1: to come try the case for you. Let your voice

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Speaker 1: be heard the Clayton County District Attorney Tasha Moseley seven

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Speaker 1: seven zero four seven seven three four five zero repeat

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Speaker 1: seven seven zero four seven seven three four five zero.

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Speaker 1: The doctors didn't take up for the baby. The nurses

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Speaker 1: didn't take up for the baby. The autopsy doctor made

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Speaker 1: money off the baby and posted pictures of the dead

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Speaker 1: baby's body. Who's going to stand up for the baby.

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Speaker 1: It's time for the Clayton County District attorney elected to

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Speaker 1: do your job, woman and bring us to a grand jury. Also,

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Speaker 1: let's just go all the way to the Attorney General

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Speaker 1: Christopher car He seems to be a decent guy. For

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Speaker 1: zero four six ' five one eight six hundred repeat

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Speaker 1: four zero four six ' five one eight six hundred

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Speaker 1: or email at ag as far Attorney General A G.

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Speaker 1: Car cr R at law dot g A dot gov.

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Speaker 1: A G. Car at law dot g A dot gov.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take up for that baby. Will you join me? Goodbye, Sam,