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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a pregnant mom just twenty

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Speaker 1: five years old, missing tonight. The family's desperate plea, Where's Emma.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 2: I'm Emma BAM's mother. I would like my daughter home.

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Speaker 2: You miss her. She's her Baby's need her, her family

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Speaker 2: needs her. And if anybody knows anything or can help

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Speaker 2: search for her, could you please help us? We need

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Speaker 2: her home.

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Speaker 1: That is Emma Baum's mother A desperate plea to bring

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Speaker 1: Emma home. Emma nine months pregnant, dilated to one centimeter

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Speaker 1: to our knowledge. That from our friends at ABC seven.

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now in All Star panel. But first

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Emma's mother, Jamie Baum. Jamie,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Also with Jamie is

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Speaker 1: Emma's father, Jason Waddell and sister Abby. To all of you,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I've just learned about

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Speaker 1: Emma's disappearance. I'm very curious. I know that she's been

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Speaker 1: gone several weeks at this point. But the first thing

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Speaker 1: I want to do, Jamie is get her photo out there.

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Speaker 1: Emma gorgeous, stunning inside and out.

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Speaker 3: A real girly girl. She loved putting on makeup and

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Speaker 3: dressing up.

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Speaker 1: She loved different styles, wearing wigs, just everything fashion. Now,

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Speaker 1: at nine months pregnant, seemingly has vanished straight back out

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Speaker 1: to Jamie Baum. First of all, tell me about the pregnancy.

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Speaker 3: Is it correct that she was at one centimeter when

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Speaker 3: she gets missing? Yes, she was.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about her pregnancy. Has it been a difficult pregnancy?

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Speaker 1: Has it been high risk? What can you tell me?

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Speaker 1: Because I'm trying to imagine. Is she in some hospitals somewhere?

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Speaker 1: Has she had the baby? What is behind all of this?

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Speaker 1: How do you just vanish at.

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Speaker 3: Nine months pregnant?

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Speaker 1: I could hardly walk at six months pregnant with twins,

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Speaker 1: So how does a pregnant young she's just twenty five,

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Speaker 1: a young woman just seemingly disappear.

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Speaker 3: Tell me about her pregnancy.

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Speaker 2: She she's had a good pregnancy. She's just dilated. When

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Speaker 2: she went. We tried to have her stay home, as

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Speaker 2: she ended up going out.

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Speaker 1: Right now, her children want to know where's a mommy again?

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Speaker 1: Joining me in All Star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know right now.

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Speaker 4: But listen, we've all gathered here today because We are

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Speaker 4: looking for my sister. She is one centimeter dilated on

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Speaker 4: October fourth. She has been missing since October ten. My

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Speaker 3: Beautiful, She's energetic. She reaches for this.

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Speaker 5: Guy just like a sunflower, which is her favorite.

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Speaker 1: You're seeing that from our friends at ABC seven joining

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Speaker 1: me in addition to Emma's mother Jamie, father Jason, and

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Speaker 1: sister Abby. Lisette gian is joining us host of Caase

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Speaker 1: Files Chicago and you can find her at Tase Files Chicago.

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Speaker 3: Lisette, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Lisa, tell me about the area from which she goes missing.

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Speaker 3: This is Gary, Indiana. Is it in the city.

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Speaker 1: Is it the metropolitan area around the city.

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Speaker 6: This is in the city, Nancy, It's in a more

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Speaker 6: dilapidated area. We're talking about twenty fifth block of Connecticut Street,

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Speaker 6: a lot of empty land and wooded area. Yea there,

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Speaker 6: So it is, you know, part of the city.

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Speaker 7: One of the concerns.

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Speaker 6: That is also very near our expressways here, and of

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Speaker 6: course we're known as the crossroads of America in this area.

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Speaker 6: So you know, the thought of maybe her, you know,

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely correct. Listen to this.

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Speaker 8: Emma Baum was last seen near twenty fifth Avenue in

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Speaker 8: Connecticut Street, about two miles directly south of downtown Gary, Indiana.

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Speaker 8: It's been described as a dismal and desolate area. Baum

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Speaker 8: was visiting a home in the neighborhood. Her friends and

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Speaker 8: family have been there scouring abandoned homes looking for her

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Speaker 1: Joining me in addition to the family analysta Gian Brian

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Speaker 1: Fitzgibbons is with us Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security, leading

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Speaker 1: a team of investigators specializing and finding missing people. You

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Speaker 1: can find him at USPA security dot com. Brian, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. I've got all sorts of

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Speaker 1: a case I'm sure you're very familiar with, and that

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Speaker 1: is the case of Shasta and Dylan Gronie who go

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Speaker 1: missing out of Cord Delane, Idaho. Why what does that

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Speaker 1: have to do with Emma's disappearance? If you could control room,

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Speaker 1: please show me that map again. If you look down

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Speaker 3: That's all you see. Running through that very rural area heavily.

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Speaker 1: Forested is an interstate. What happened to these two children?

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Speaker 1: A guy a perv driving down the interstate gets a

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Speaker 1: After our program broadcasts the photos, a woman in a

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Speaker 1: convenience store spotted Shasta with her attacker and call.

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Speaker 3: The tip line.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the significance of that interstate cannot be emphasized enough,

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Speaker 9: To have a main thoroughfare like that so close to

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Speaker 9: away from that area. And complicating factor even further is

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Speaker 9: the phone that she was holding at the time did

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Speaker 9: not have served and connected.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's a whole another can of worms. The cell

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Speaker 1: her disappearance. Look at Emma five to three, one hundred

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Speaker 3: Tattoos you see one right there. Now.

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Speaker 1: She loves to dress up and wear different colored wigs.

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Speaker 1: That's just her. What is she wearing right now? We

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Speaker 3: Just look at her face. If I could show her

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Speaker 1: And specifically, specifically, I want to see a show of

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Speaker 3: To Jamie, this is Emma's mom. What is that there?

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Speaker 1: She is with a brown here with a brown wig. Jamie,

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Speaker 1: what is the tattoo? It looks like a sunrise?

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Speaker 1: Emma is a natural brunette, but often has her hair

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Speaker 3: Now the other case I want to bring up to you, Brian, Fitzgibbons.

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Speaker 1: We just heard Lizette Gin joining us from Case Files Chicago,

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Speaker 1: talking about multiple abandoned homes in the area where she

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Speaker 1: was last visiting friends. In that neighborhood, there are some

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Speaker 1: abandoned homes, and it brings to mind a case that

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Speaker 1: I covered extensively, the disappearance of a Leanna Defreese, a

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Speaker 1: fitz Gibbons, police must go through every single abandoned home

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Speaker 10: There's a lot of inherent danger there.

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Speaker 9: First of all, Gary, Indiana is a dangerous place with

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Speaker 9: all these abandoned homes. Nancy, you complicate search efforts, particularly

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Speaker 9: for volunteers. Police need to get on the ground there

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Speaker 9: in that vicinity of twenty fifth in Connecticut and start

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Speaker 9: searching some of those abandoned properties immediately.

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Speaker 1: How do you go about doing that? I mean, this

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Speaker 1: The problem I see with an abandoned home is that

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Speaker 1: Held hostage and no one's going in and out. People

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Speaker 1: stay away from abandoned homes. Who wants to get near it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, the city should have access to these abandoned properties

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Speaker 1: Another case that is startlingly similar is that of a

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Speaker 3: Eliza was jogging.

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Speaker 1: Here, we have Emma innocently visiting a friend and she

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Speaker 1: would advise some sort of a grid search at this point.

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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, a grid search of this entire area.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, and it's listen, there are quite a few abandoned

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Speaker 9: To her, she would have had to be moved very

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Speaker 1: To Abby Smith joining me. This is Emma's sister, along

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Speaker 1: with mom, Jamie. Abby, tell me about the phone, the

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Speaker 1: phone that Emma had.

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Speaker 5: Emma used a lot of the WIFEI data, so she

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Speaker 5: thought her last message was at five point thirty two pm,

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Speaker 5: and then she's just gone completely blank. We haven't had

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Speaker 5: any contact. No one has said anything. We haven't come

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Speaker 1: Now, hold on right there, right there, hold on, hold on,

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Speaker 1: I've got a dissect everything you're saying, Abby is Emma Sis. Guys,

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Speaker 1: Please help us, Please help us. The family contacted me.

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Speaker 1: We read about the case online. I have seen no

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Speaker 1: other media coverage of Emma's case. The family is desperate tonight,

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Speaker 1: joining together, the dad, the mom, the sister, begging for help,

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Speaker 1: begging for your help. I want to give you a

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Speaker 1: couple of numbers. Right now here is a toll free number.

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Speaker 1: eight eight three five, five eight seven repeat one eight hundred,

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Speaker 3: You can remain anonymous.

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Speaker 1: You can remain anonymous one eight hundred you tell us

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Speaker 1: eight eight three five five eighty seven. Or there's a

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Speaker 1: detective work. A detective working the case out of Lake

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Speaker 1: County Homicide Detective Gordon two one nine seven five five

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Speaker 1: for help. They have been out searching, they have been

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Speaker 1: out putting up flyers. Won't you help us? Help them

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Speaker 1: more about her cell phone now.

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Speaker 3: Was this a prepaid phone? You said she was using

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Speaker 9: It's not sending as much information, it's not going to

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Speaker 10: That is correct, Nancy, That's what.

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Speaker 3: I was getting at.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to cut you off, Abby, but that's what

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Speaker 1: So do you belie Abby, she had simply run out

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Speaker 2: She just was honest. She wouldn't have not called any

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Speaker 1: Very responsible, a great mom, pregnant nine months Brian, I

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Speaker 9: When that service is off, you only have that emergency

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Speaker 1: Abby, my control room just came into my ear and

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Speaker 3: What happened.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot emotionally, this is one of the hardest

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Speaker 3: I own it say.

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Speaker 5: He wants to admit that he feels broken or unable

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Speaker 3: He's broken. Isn't your dad a war vet?

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Speaker 1: So this is a man that's faced the enemy far

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Speaker 3: What has this done to him? What has this done

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Speaker 5: He wants to do when it is right, so we

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Speaker 3: And it's just really hard emotionally.

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Speaker 5: He feels like his country has turned to the back

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Speaker 5: that none of us will ever understand, but we see it.

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Speaker 1: For those of you joining us and just joining us now,

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Speaker 3: Please help us.

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Speaker 8: The search for Bomb has been extensive. Police say three

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Speaker 8: search overgrown fields, knock on doors, and pass out flyers.

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Speaker 8: Officers are now scouring old video footage in the area

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Speaker 1: A twenty five year old mother, nine months pregnant is missing.

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Speaker 3: Stunningly, I have learned that the number one.

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Speaker 1: Cause of death amongst pregnant women in the US is homicide.

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Speaker 1: It's not a stroke, it's not blood pressure, it's not

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Speaker 3: It's homicide. When I heard that, I.

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Speaker 1: Actually tracked down the first author, a doctor that wrote that,

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Speaker 1: I had it wrong. I didn't.

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Speaker 3: She didn't. It's true. Look at Emma Baum. Please look

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Speaker 1: I know we tonight sound angry and agitated because we are.

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Speaker 1: She cannot just vanish off the face of the earth.

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Speaker 1: Who saw a nine months pregnant woman, her beautiful Emma.

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Speaker 3: We know that her.

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Speaker 1: Phone should still be pinging, but apparently it's not. We

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Speaker 1: know that, we know there have been searches with canines

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Speaker 1: No sign of Emma. I don't believe in supernatural reasons

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Speaker 1: Joining me in All Star Panel. But in addition to Sister Abby,

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Speaker 3: Warvette Crime Stories with Nancy, Grace.

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Speaker 1: Mom, Jamie, and now Sister Page joining us, begging for

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Speaker 1: Tase Files Chicago, Lisa, I've been looking at the crime

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Speaker 6: The area of Gary is, you know, very it is

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Speaker 6: So we were adding that onto the already on top

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Speaker 1: All of what Lisa just told us is true, but

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Speaker 3: At one centimeter dilation Listen.

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Speaker 8: Emma Bomb comes from a very close, big family with

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Speaker 8: Her sister Abigail says, Emma is energetic, always reaching for

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Speaker 1: Emma's family is desperately pushing for more resources to be

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Speaker 8: Walm's family is pushing for more resources to be given

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Speaker 1: Let me understand, Jamie Baum, this is Emma's mother joining us.

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Speaker 3: You and Abby have been.

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Speaker 3: Tell me about this.

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Speaker 2: We've been out every day, all day twenty for twenty

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Speaker 1: Does her Page bom joining us in addition to Abby

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Speaker 1: and Jamie Page, tell me about your family's effort on

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Speaker 2: We've been searching every day.

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Speaker 5: We haven't found any answers, but we're gonna do.

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Speaker 3: She keep trying.

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Speaker 1: Abby, tell me about what you what is going through

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Speaker 5: Hoping that someone is gonna give us an answer, that

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't understand why you have to be out

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Speaker 2: Well, we have to find her somehow, and if we

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Speaker 3: Why why aren't they? Have you asked them.

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Speaker 2: That yes, they said, they said, they say they're doing

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Speaker 3: Joining me is.

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Speaker 1: Greg Morse, high profile trial lawyer, partner at the law

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Speaker 1: firm of King and Morse, Palm Beach. You can find

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Speaker 1: Very often you and I are on the different sides

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Speaker 11: It is surprising in this one. I looked into it.

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Speaker 11: What I haven't read the police have been trying to do.

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Speaker 11: This country has license plates readers across the entire work.

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Speaker 11: There's an expressway that borders this There's also a port

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Speaker 11: to Lake Michigan that borders the eye. There's a lot

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Speaker 11: of opportunity for law enforcement to look at technology to

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Speaker 11: shrink the story as to where this young lady was

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Speaker 11: taken or where she went. I surprised a lot of

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Speaker 11: the mainstream media has not given very many details, which

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Speaker 11: police of course hold back some stuff to verify credibility.

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Speaker 10: I get that, But when I look at.

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Speaker 11: This area, that's unfortunately a common area in America, low

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Speaker 11: income area that's forgotten. There's a lot of industry around it.

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Speaker 11: One thing we talk about cell phone towers. That's just

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Speaker 11: one component of what it sells. Cell phones also routinely

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Speaker 11: their bluetooth will ping off of things anywhere they are.

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Speaker 11: There is a lot of data that law enforcement could

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Speaker 11: be looking at, and maybe they are. It sounds like

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Speaker 11: though from the family that they're not. So I don't

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Speaker 11: know how there hasn't been further information. There's a lot

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Speaker 11: of resources they'll go to to try to find where

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Speaker 11: this girl or what happened to lead down that path.

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Speaker 12: The family of Emma Baum says the police have not

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Speaker 12: been helpful in their efforts to find Emma. But police

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Speaker 12: say they have dedicated their search efforts to the three

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Speaker 12: primary locations that have come up during the investigation and

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Speaker 12: are now pivoting the investigation to scour old video footage

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Speaker 12: in the areas where Emma was last seen. The area

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Speaker 12: around Antoine Butler's.

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Speaker 1: House, area around the Bio Dad's home is the beginning

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Speaker 1: where she was last seen before according to him, she

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Speaker 1: left that area. But the family has made it known

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Speaker 1: that the Geary PD was not helpful to them and

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Speaker 1: their search for Emma. Now a new detective with Lake

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Speaker 1: County Homicide. Lake County Homicide is on the case and

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Speaker 1: they feel rejuvenated. They feel that someone cares about their case.

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Speaker 1: Detective Gordon's number is two one nine seven five five

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Speaker 1: three eight five five repeat two one nine seven five

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Speaker 1: five three eight fivey five. When this goes to air tonight,

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Speaker 1: please have that number emblazoned on a screen so people

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Speaker 1: can see it. To Jamie Baum. Explain to me why

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Speaker 1: you felt that the Gary, Indiana police their feet you

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Speaker 1: know what.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 1: According to a report given to me, one of the Gary,

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Speaker 1: Indiana police said to you, when Emma went missing, well,

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Speaker 1: if she's dead in a dumpster, you'll never find her.

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Speaker 3: Did not happen. I'm going to confirm that with you, Yes, ma'am,

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 2: He told he had told my daughter that if she

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Speaker 2: was gone to would not be found, and that hurt

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Speaker 2: my family.

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Speaker 1: I understand that after that you feel renewed hope because

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Speaker 1: Lake County Homicide, specifically Detective Gordon.

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Speaker 3: Is now on the case.

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Speaker 1: May I ask you what led the Gary, Indiana Police

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Speaker 1: officer to tell you in the midst of the search

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Speaker 1: of Emma, nine months pregnant, Yeah, she's dead in a dumpster,

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Speaker 1: you'll never find her.

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Speaker 3: What brought that on?

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Speaker 5: Somebody had give us some information and I had called

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Speaker 5: and asked to pass it on to him. I asked

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Speaker 5: him if he wanted it, I had it all nicely

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Speaker 5: where he could read it with the times and no

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Speaker 5: questions asked, No, cutting it.

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Speaker 3: Off perfectly, here you go. And he told me no,

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Speaker 3: not only did he not.

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Speaker 5: Need it, that if that was accurate, we would never

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Speaker 5: be able to find her. If she was domed and

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Speaker 5: shoot a garbage dump.

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Speaker 3: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: To Brian Fitzgibbons, Director Operations USP, a nationwide security specialty

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Speaker 1: finding missing people. You know, in the midst of an investigation,

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Speaker 1: I've had victims families give me a lot of information

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Speaker 1: and sometimes I knew immediately it was not going to

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Speaker 1: be pertinent to the investigation, Like two years ago.

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Speaker 3: She got a hang up phone call, just an example.

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Speaker 1: But you don't tell the family. I don't need your information.

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Speaker 1: She's probably dead in a dumpster and you'll never find her.

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Speaker 3: Well what was he thinking?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, this defies logic, Nancy, And to the family, I'm

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Speaker 9: so sorry that you know, you had to hear that.

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Speaker 10: It's very troubling to hear that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you take the information and you may believe, well,

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Speaker 1: this is not pertinent, but you don't say.

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Speaker 3: That to a victim's family.

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Speaker 1: You take the information, you review it, you look at it,

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Speaker 1: you study it and determine if it is.

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Speaker 3: Or is not relevant. But to say that to a.

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Speaker 1: Family with they are the ones out looking in abandoned homes.

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Speaker 3: They are the ones digging through.

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Speaker 1: Feels high in grass. They are the ones out in

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Speaker 1: the street asking drivers to help them. Joining me right

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Speaker 1: now is a renowned forensic psychologist, doctor Sherry Schwartz. You

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Speaker 1: can find her at panthermitigation dot com. Doctor Sherry. I

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Speaker 1: recall the feeling of helplessness when my fiance was murdered.

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Speaker 1: There was nothing I could do.

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Speaker 3: Nothing. That is a feeling you never get over.

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Speaker 1: This family has felt they had no ally, that no

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Speaker 1: one was helping them.

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Speaker 3: That can destroy you. Saw the father have to get

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Speaker 3: up and leave.

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Speaker 1: Jason couldn't even listen because he feels so helpless.

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Speaker 3: What is that?

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Speaker 1: How can we fight that so the family can get

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Speaker 1: back on track and find Emma.

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Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I want to say to the family,

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Speaker 7: how sorry I am for everything that you're going through.

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Speaker 7: For Jason, for dad, and for mom, and even for

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Speaker 7: the siblings. You can see the overwhelming sense of fear

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Speaker 7: and helplessness and frustration that they can't get the help

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Speaker 7: that they need from the people that we turn to

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Speaker 7: to get help. They're being told, well, you know she's dead,

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Speaker 7: she might be in a dumpster somewhere and you'll never

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Speaker 7: find her. But what they're failing to understand is that

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Speaker 7: nobody knows if she's dead, and if they don't go

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Speaker 7: out and investigate, then we're not going to know. And

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Speaker 7: it's not just missing Emma. There's a baby, possibly right

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Speaker 7: and infant baby that's missing. So from my position, there's

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Speaker 7: two people missing here. And for the family, you guys

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Speaker 7: are doing, from my perspective, everything that you can possibly do.

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Speaker 7: Just continue to stick together, that's really really important, and

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Speaker 7: support each other. Try to overcome your feelings of guilt

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Speaker 7: because you're not doing anything wrong and you didn't do

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Speaker 7: anything to cause this.

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Speaker 1: Sound guys, this has been dragging on for weeks the

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Speaker 1: disappearance of Emma Baum, and in that time, wild fantastical

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Speaker 1: theories have have emerged.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 8: Bobby Joe Sten is eight months pregnant. Lisa Montgomery lies

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Speaker 8: to her saying she wants to buy one of her puppies.

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Speaker 8: Montgomery drives from Melbourne, Kansas to Bobby Joe's home in Skidmore, Missouri.

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Speaker 8: Montgomery strangles the mom to be and cuts the baby

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Speaker 8: from her stomach. Lisa Montgomery is arrested the next day.

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Speaker 8: The baby girl lives and is now a teenager living

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Speaker 8: with her dad.

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Speaker 3: You think that's fantastical.

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Speaker 1: It was actually floated as a defense theory, and the

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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson murder trial dead Lacy Peterson an unborn child Connor.

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Speaker 1: These fantastical theories are not helping in the search for Emma,

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Speaker 1: but yet they continue, such as comparing the case to

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Speaker 1: a teen girl Marlon at to Lopez.

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Speaker 8: Nineteen year old Marlon and Joe Lopez is lured to

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Speaker 8: the home of Desiree and Clarissa Figueroa with the promise

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Speaker 8: of baby clothes. Once there, prosecutors say Clarissa got on

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Speaker 8: top of Marlin, continuing to strangle her for up to

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Speaker 8: five minutes. After researching how long it would take for

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Speaker 8: someone to die that way, they allegedly cut the baby

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Speaker 8: from Marlin's body, stuffed her in a plastic bag in

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Speaker 8: a hidden garbage can outside. Clarissa then claimed the baby,

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Speaker 8: with the umbilical cord and placentas still attached, was hers.

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Speaker 8: Her boyfriend is accused of helping to hide the murder

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Speaker 8: and evidence at the home.

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Speaker 12: On Friday, October eleventh, Emma Baum does not reach out

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Speaker 12: to her family members, even though they are expecting her

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Speaker 12: to come home. Emma has a phone, but it is

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Speaker 12: out of minutes, telling her mother not to worry, she

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Speaker 12: is getting minutes.

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Speaker 10: Put on the phone.

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Speaker 13: On Friday, Emma said she would be back on Friday

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Speaker 13: to do something with her six year old son, Camden.

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Speaker 13: She doesn't show and doesn't call. The family waits through

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Speaker 13: Saturday for Emma to come back, and when she isn't

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Speaker 13: home by Sunday, her mother calls Antoine Butler. Antoine told

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Speaker 13: Emma's mother, Jamie Baum, that he saw her leave with

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Speaker 13: some girl in a car.

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Speaker 1: What look, when my husband has to go out of

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Speaker 1: town for work or he has to go somewhere.

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Speaker 3: I think I know where he's going and what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: Same thing with my children. What does this mean?

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Speaker 1: The BF, the bio dad boyfriend says he quote saw

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Speaker 1: her leave with some girl in a car. Li set

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Speaker 1: Gian joining US investigative reporters, host of Case Files Chicago.

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Speaker 3: Li set again, let me understand.

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Speaker 1: That is the level of detail I've got from the

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Speaker 1: boyfriend that she left with quote.

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Speaker 3: Some girl in a car.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 3: That's it, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: And that's where the frustration lies is there's very little details.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on just a moment, Jamie Baum. This is

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Speaker 1: Emma's mother has.

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Speaker 3: The boyfriend and helping to look for Emma.

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Speaker 2: No, and his family has never reached out either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like the way that smells to Greg

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Speaker 1: Moore joining me, high profile lawyer at King Morse as

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Speaker 1: a silk stocking law firm out of Palm Beach County. Greg,

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Speaker 1: When I look at a statement or I evaluate the

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Speaker 1: credibility of a witness, I look to see if their

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Speaker 1: statement is quote rich in detail. I can tell you

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Speaker 1: exactly what my son was wearing when he left for

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Speaker 1: school this morning, exactly, and I know what vehicle he

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Speaker 1: was driving. I can tell you exactly what my daughter

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Speaker 1: was wearing, what vehicle she was in, right down to

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Speaker 1: their backpacks, their tote bags, and their water bottles.

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Speaker 3: What is this gibberish? Some girl, a girl in a car? What?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 11: Not everybody remembers the same detail as everyone else. However,

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Speaker 11: five years and practicing law and handling every type of case,

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Speaker 11: these type of general statements that don't aren't made in completion.

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Speaker 11: Where the car went here, I knew the person was coming.

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Speaker 11: The police generally look at that as suspect. They're not credible.

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Speaker 11: And as I mentioned before, why isn't there information about

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Speaker 11: this potential car? Why aren't there people looking into where

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Speaker 11: this car go? It's a very easy thing to follow

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Speaker 11: for police.

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Speaker 1: So of course, yes, I hear you say. Not everybody

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Speaker 1: remembers details. Did you say that.

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Speaker 10: I did say that, Nancy. Not everybody remembers the same

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Speaker 10: all differently.

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Speaker 3: My fiance Keith was murdered decades ago.

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Speaker 1: I can remember right now what he was wearing, blue Jayson,

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Speaker 1: a denim shirt.

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Speaker 3: He was going to work on a construction crew. He

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Speaker 3: was driving a white.

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Speaker 1: Lamon's and as he left, he hung his left arm

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Speaker 1: out the wind and wave goodbye to me. I remember it,

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Speaker 1: crystal clear. It's branded on my brain.

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Speaker 3: Jamie. Do you remember the last time you saw Emma. Yes,

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Speaker 3: she was wearing what did she say.

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Speaker 2: Black clothing, She had her bag strapped around, she had

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Speaker 2: her purse strapped around her chest, and she get the

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Speaker 2: huge bye.

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Speaker 6: So this should be home Toarrow.

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Speaker 1: That makes says, I understand that you represent a lot

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Speaker 1: of clients, but that is total bs man that he

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Speaker 1: all he knows is she left with some girl in

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Speaker 1: a car.

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Speaker 3: Technical legal term. I don't know if you use that

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Speaker 3: at King and Morse, but that's BS.

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Speaker 1: And I'm calling him out on this another thing, another thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't like. It's the last time she's seen.

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Speaker 1: It's at his house, Abby Smith, this is Emma's sister,

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Speaker 1: isn't that true?

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Speaker 5: That is correct? Our sister Jaden and Jewel dropped her off,

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Speaker 5: poor sure at that house to meet her boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: Now, I don't want to make an issue of this

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Speaker 1: because this is a side issue, it's a collateral issue.

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Speaker 1: But I'm curious. I'm very curious, Abby, This BS boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: Antoine Butler. Was he supportive of the pregnancy?

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Speaker 3: Was he helping her?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 5: There had been multiple times that he had asked her

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Speaker 5: to get an abortion, and that is a bath. He

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Speaker 5: didn't want it.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 5: When mfone oue she was going into labor, she just

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Speaker 5: wanted to go more or less, make sure it confirm

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Speaker 5: and decide. She decided that no matter what, she was

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Speaker 5: going to keep the baby and it was going to

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Speaker 5: make her a better person. And then if you didn't

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Speaker 5: want to be a part of it, that she needed

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Speaker 5: to figure it out prior to fully going into labor.

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Speaker 1: So no money, he's not supporting her, He's not excited

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Speaker 1: about the baby. He wants her to have an abortion,

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Speaker 1: you know what, all of that moral flaws.

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Speaker 3: That does not make him a kidnapper or a murderer.

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Speaker 1: However, I'm very concerned about the fact, Brian Fitzgibbons uspa

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Speaker 1: that that's where she's last seen. That doesn't bother you,

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Speaker 1: and nobody can tell me what kind of car she

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Speaker 1: left in, or where she went or anything.

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Speaker 9: It's absolutely disturbing, Nancy. A vague statement like that, coupled with,

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Speaker 9: you know, potentially a motive that he didn't want her

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Speaker 9: to have the baby, and that she's having this conversation

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Speaker 9: as she's about to go into labor dilated a centimeter.

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Speaker 9: You know that that was the purpose of this conversation.

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Speaker 9: So all of this adds up to be very suspicious.

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Speaker 3: Jamie, why did she go over to his place?

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Speaker 2: I tried to keep her. I tried to ask her

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Speaker 2: not to you she wanted to talk with him over

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Speaker 2: about the baby's fighting.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Serry Schwartz, what we women go through to try

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Speaker 1: to have the Hallmark Christmas card? You know, we want

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Speaker 1: the house stick, we want the house. We want the

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Speaker 1: husband or the partner, we want the children, we want

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Speaker 1: the Turkey dinner, we want the Christmas tree.

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Speaker 3: We want it the.

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Speaker 1: Way we have grown up to think it should be right.

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Speaker 1: And I've got a feeling Emma wanted that she wanted

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Speaker 1: the bio dad to want the baby be part of

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Speaker 1: the life, be a family, and was going over to

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Speaker 1: probably try to convince him of that.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure for Emma she probably couldn't imagine that he

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Speaker 7: didn't feel the same way she felt in terms of

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Speaker 7: wanting to have this baby and parent this baby. And

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Speaker 7: so that's one of the difficulties. You're absolutely right, this

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00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 7: is what we crave. She's about to give birth, and

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00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 7: she wants to talk to them and say, don't you

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00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 7: want to be a part of this amazing child's life.

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Speaker 2: I think you hurt my baby. And when you find

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Speaker 2: your shoes out.

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Speaker 1: The family in so much pain now out flagging down cars,

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Speaker 1: going to abandoned buildings, walking through fields, begging for volunteers.

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Speaker 3: That from our friends at ABC seven.

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Speaker 1: The boyfriend, the bio dad in this case, Antoine Butler,

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Speaker 1: has not been named a formal suspect in the disappearance

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Speaker 1: of Emma. Emma Baum just twenty five years old, nine

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Speaker 1: months pregnant, and today I join with her family asking

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Speaker 1: for your help tip line to Detective Gordon two one

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Speaker 1: nine seven five five three eight five five or one

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Speaker 1: eight hundred You tell us one eight hundred eight eight three, five,

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Speaker 1: five eight seven. To Emma's mother, Jamie Baum, Jamie, what

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Speaker 1: is your message tonight? If Emma can hear you?

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Speaker 2: Baby? We love you, watch your home. We'll miss you,

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Speaker 2: searching for you. We will not stop until we find you.

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Speaker 2: I love you, everybody loves you.

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Speaker 3: We'll find you again.

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Speaker 1: The tip line one eight hundred You tell Us or

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Speaker 1: two one nine seven five five three eight five five.

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Speaker 3: We wait for justice. Two Unfold. Nancy Grace signing off,

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Speaker 3: goodbye friend