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Speaker 1: Steelers announced they have placed Ben Roethlisberger among four other
Speaker 1: players on the COVID nineteen list. Doesn't mean he tested positive,
Speaker 1: but Albert Breer reporting Ben is on the COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: list the Bengals. In the Steelers play this weekend, yes,
Speaker 1: Paulie or it's a Diana Racene of ESPN. Those players
Speaker 1: will not be allowed to practice for the next five
Speaker 1: days and the Bengals play at home versus the Steelers
Speaker 1: on Sunday. They okay, So if we do the math here,
Speaker 1: they're eligible to return in five days as long as
Speaker 1: they test negative. Correct, That's what it appears. They would
Speaker 1: be able to play Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengal without practice. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Phone calls are welcome. I think we have
Speaker 1: a poll question, mcklevin, we're staying with with the Second Hour. Well,
Speaker 1: I put up, if you're a Jets fan, do you
Speaker 1: want to be Owen sixteen and fifty five. Said yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll take it. If it means I'm getting Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I'll take that. You know. It convinced me because I
Speaker 1: couldn't remember if the Browns were Owen sixteen. I couldn't
Speaker 1: even remember. Yeah, we remember the Lions, But okay, you
Speaker 1: go Owen sixteen. In this day and age as sports,
Speaker 1: it used to be if you struck out one hundred
Speaker 1: times in baseball, it was embarrassing. Now it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: All right, So we lost. We didn't win a game
Speaker 1: that year, but hey, we got Trevor Lawrence. If you
Speaker 1: tell me the light at the end of the tunnel
Speaker 1: is Trevor Lawrence and not an oncoming train that, I'm
Speaker 1: okay with that. If we win by losing, okay, I'll
Speaker 1: take the shame you went Owen sixteen. I'm okay with
Speaker 1: that if it means I get Trevor Lawrence. Last night,
Speaker 1: the Jets nearly screwed it up, but the Patriots came
Speaker 1: back and won thirty to twenty seven. It was exciting.
Speaker 1: It was a lot better game. And who would have
Speaker 1: thought if you said Cam Newton Joe Flacco would be
Speaker 1: better than Drew Brees against Tom Brady. Here's Cam Newton
Speaker 1: on why the win was good for New England. You
Speaker 1: know this was a division game. I much needed win
Speaker 1: for multiple reasons, not only for the division, but also
Speaker 1: you know, for our confidence and you know, we just
Speaker 1: needed one in our opinion. You got a strong feet
Speaker 1: here coming up this weekend. We just gotta get healthy
Speaker 1: and just pair with a great week of practice that
Speaker 1: we'll be around. They got the Ravens coming up. Cam
Speaker 1: is not throwing a touchdown passis in the last four games.
Speaker 1: He did have two rushing touchdowns, and really maybe that's
Speaker 1: his role. You know, he's never been a great pocket
Speaker 1: passer's he can throw the deep ball. Certainly when he
Speaker 1: started out in Carolina with Steve Smith, he could throw
Speaker 1: the deep ball sort of lacks touch. Footwork has always
Speaker 1: been an issue. But when he runs with the football
Speaker 1: at that size and still with that speed, he's able
Speaker 1: to make things happen. You saw that last night. Yeah, McLevin.
Speaker 1: If you're running back on the Patriots, are you ever
Speaker 1: like and alacker back? Cam, I'm opening down there like
Speaker 1: you're not touching the ball in the red zone, like,
Speaker 1: give no chance of getting a touchdown. Yeah, But Brady
Speaker 1: did that all the time. They get to the one
Speaker 1: yard line and Brady would sneak it in. They started
Speaker 1: sneaking like the six with Cam he was just like
Speaker 1: and in Carolina too, he would have run for fifteen
Speaker 1: touchdowns and like the guy behind him. Isn't that the
Speaker 1: reason why he gets in the Hall of Fame? Like?
Speaker 1: Is that what puts him over? He's gotten I think
Speaker 1: sixty six rushing touchdowns and an MVP. They got blown
Speaker 1: out in the Super Bowl. But if he ends up
Speaker 1: with eighty touchdowns, is that enough to get him in
Speaker 1: as a quarterback? Be the greatest rushing quarterback of all
Speaker 1: time or at least touchdown wise. Maybe Lamar Jackson approaches
Speaker 1: that at some point. But is that enough for Cam Newton?
Speaker 1: I don't know what his numbers are, and he's still
Speaker 1: potentially has you know, three or four really good years.
Speaker 1: Yeah mclement oh, I was gonna say, also, do you
Speaker 1: give him credit for being revolutionary? Like he ushered in
Speaker 1: a new year of running quarterbacks timing wise a little
Speaker 1: bit because they got Remember they went fifteen to one
Speaker 1: and he ran like an unprecedented number of times and
Speaker 1: boom comes Lamar Jackson. I don't know, or is he
Speaker 1: so different than those guys, like, who's the guy who
Speaker 1: ushered in this wave? Well, if Trump, like Randall Cunningham
Speaker 1: was there at the front of the line, I don't
Speaker 1: know if the Eagles used him or the Vikings used
Speaker 1: him the way they probably should have because he was
Speaker 1: he was Cam before Cam, I mean, an incredible athlete there.
Speaker 1: Steve Young started to run early and then realized at
Speaker 1: his size he shouldn't. It became a great one of
Speaker 1: the great pocket passers of all time. Michael Vick probably
Speaker 1: would be the guy that feels like he ushered in that.
Speaker 1: But but he was so fast, Cams so big. There's
Speaker 1: a difference in that Cam uses his body that like
Speaker 1: he's a weapon there, whereas Vic was just trying to
Speaker 1: out dart you. He was Vic was Tyler Murray before
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. That ability to just be quick and you know,
Speaker 1: outrun you and not get hit. Cam would take on
Speaker 1: those hits. I still go back to that season opening
Speaker 1: game Carolina against Denver a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 1: you know, Trevathan, I think the linebacker got it. They
Speaker 1: were just pounding Cam, but they treated him like he
Speaker 1: was a running back. I have not seen, and I
Speaker 1: think you can go back to was it Cam against
Speaker 1: Atlanta years ago where it just felt like they teed
Speaker 1: off on him and treated him like a running back
Speaker 1: and the officials let that happen. Yeah, mclub. But there
Speaker 1: was a Niners game where they just attacked him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. But Cam won't go down though, So how
Speaker 1: are you supposed to get I saw a safety just
Speaker 1: run up and hit Cam as hard as he could.
Speaker 1: He just slopped him off like a little kid. So
Speaker 1: how I don't understand that. The NFL after the Broccolos
Speaker 1: game said these are all legal hits because down in
Speaker 1: the field, you know, well, he's outside the tackles and
Speaker 1: he does outweigh some of those guys. Yeah, when you're
Speaker 1: on the field. Now, there are times when I've been
Speaker 1: on the field and you'll go, that guy's not as
Speaker 1: big as I thought. There are certain running backs, wide
Speaker 1: receivers where you go, wow, he's a lot smaller, And
Speaker 1: I think when Cam walks on the field, you go,
Speaker 1: he is a lot bigger than I thought. I mean,
Speaker 1: he looks like he stepped off the bus for an
Speaker 1: NBA team. Plus he's not only tall like Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: is tall. Cam is tall, and he is jacked. He's
Speaker 1: a big guy. He looks like he'd be the tight end.
Speaker 1: If you go, oh, here's our tight end here, and
Speaker 1: you go, oh, okay, and you realize that's the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Ben is a lot bigger than you think in person.
Speaker 1: Julian Edelman was so much smaller than I thought. There's
Speaker 1: and all these running backs and defensive backs feel like
Speaker 1: they're about five eight and they're all built similarly. But
Speaker 1: Cam's one of those guys where he comes on the
Speaker 1: field and go, yeah, that's Cam Newton. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: who always truck me. Marshall Falk doesn't look like he'd
Speaker 1: be the fastest, baddest man in the NFL. In person,
Speaker 1: He's this kind of a little guy, right, he's not jacked.
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was fast, But I think he's
Speaker 1: one of the smartest players who's ever played the game,
Speaker 1: because I remember Peyton Manning would talk about Marshall Falk
Speaker 1: that Peyton said Marshall knew the offense the way he did,
Speaker 1: like he thought as a quarterback at the running back position.
Speaker 1: All right, we got way ahead of ourselves here. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the program. Already in progress. Jim Gray has written
Speaker 1: a book called Talking to Goats Goats Greatest of All Time,
Speaker 1: and it's a great read, an easy read. And he'll
Speaker 1: join his coming up here in a little bit. Just
Speaker 1: all the places he's been, all the people that he's
Speaker 1: been around last time. I like how you referred to
Speaker 1: him as the Forrest Gump of sports that just happens
Speaker 1: to be everywhere that anything remotely interesting happened. Jim Gray
Speaker 1: finds a way to be there. Now he's still doing
Speaker 1: my anger. I did cut interrupt, I jump the gun
Speaker 1: a little to that. Okay, are you done now? I'm okay,
Speaker 1: thank you ton. Uh yeah, what Jim has done. And
Speaker 1: you know he's there with Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon sees
Speaker 1: him on the street, brings him in his car and
Speaker 1: they talk. Yes, I'm saying Jim Gray is the Forrest
Speaker 1: Gump of sports reporter in the street. No, the president,
Speaker 1: Richard Nixon says to Jim, get in the car, and
Speaker 1: he talked of football. I guess for forty five minutes
Speaker 1: he's been he's Jim's been there. And then Elvis got
Speaker 1: in the car. No, yes, Elvis, and he uh said
Speaker 1: Jim come on, I want to talk to music. Yes, Ton,
Speaker 1: does he get invited to all these things? Or is
Speaker 1: he kind of tag along and invites himself. I always
Speaker 1: wondered that to be somewhere all the time. He's walking
Speaker 1: in the street and President Nixon is in his limousine,
Speaker 1: sees Jim and invite I'll let Jim tell the story,
Speaker 1: because didn't Forrest Gump each Richard Nixon and Elvis Presley.
Speaker 1: And then in Forrest Gump is in his hotel and
Speaker 1: he noticed some commotion at the hotel across the way,
Speaker 1: and he calls Martin Luther King. He called. He calls
Speaker 1: for the front desk, and it was the Watergate Hotel.
Speaker 1: You guys, here's some guys. I can't do the Forrest cup.
Speaker 1: You go. There's some guys with flashlights keeping me up,
Speaker 1: and they pan away. Of course it's the Watergate Hotel.
Speaker 1: And Jim Grawory says life was like a box of cookies.
Speaker 1: So that's very similar to the box of chocolates line
Speaker 1: that you had a good first hour. We had no
Speaker 1: gas first hour, and you still had a decent first down.
Speaker 1: Thank you, toddlco alrighty, some phone calls coming up, age
Speaker 1: seven seven three D P show. You know it didn't
Speaker 1: just dawn on me with the Jets. I don't need
Speaker 1: to pick on the Jets, but I don't like the uniforms.
Speaker 1: I love the helmets. I don't like the uniforms. It's
Speaker 1: too dark and i'd like to freshen that up a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, in time for Trevor Lawrence next year.
Speaker 1: I'd like to because Trevor wearing the Clemson colors. I mean,
Speaker 1: those are bright. I need the need are the Jets.
Speaker 1: It's the worst nflims close. The Jets. Helmets are really nice.
Speaker 1: The green and the helmets are nice. Once you go
Speaker 1: neck down, it's this mishmash of black and it's undescribable.
Speaker 1: It makes your offensive linemen look thinner than they are,
Speaker 1: so they look less imposing. But the worst uniforms currently
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Are you ready for this? Okay? Who
Speaker 1: do you think I'm gonna pick? I've given us a
Speaker 1: lot of thought, and you know I do this no
Speaker 1: because the Jaguars can be so ugly. They're cool, you know,
Speaker 1: like if you go back to the Houston Astros in
Speaker 1: the eighties, so ugly or cool, or the Padres. The
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles had the worst NFL uniforms. And here's why
Speaker 1: they're boring. They're forgettable. They're uninspired. Um, they're they have
Speaker 1: this like uninspired green if Benjamin Moore was calling it.
Speaker 1: They call it uninspired green. It's the color because it's
Speaker 1: this green gray blue. Um, they've got like this neck
Speaker 1: thing with green. The the helmets now this dark green
Speaker 1: almost black color, so it doesn't match. And then and
Speaker 1: the other thing that makes Eagles so bad is they've
Speaker 1: had great uniforms in the past. If you go back
Speaker 1: to the Randall Cunningham days and the Kelly Green uniforms,
Speaker 1: they could have those, and they choose these horrendous uniforms.
Speaker 1: People will say there's worst uniforms, but these are the
Speaker 1: most uninteresting uniforms and bad. It feels like the Jets
Speaker 1: and Eagles the same designer correct created those. Yes he can.
Speaker 1: I throw in the Giants for incredibly boring uniforms. Great
Speaker 1: helmet though I love the color their their uniforms are
Speaker 1: so boring. Well, just like the Giants also boring. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on the opposite end, did you guys see the Chargers
Speaker 1: on Sunday and that get up They had whoa the
Speaker 1: dark blue? Oh man, that's different. And the Saints all white?
Speaker 1: I like too, I do like the Saints all white. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm all in on that. All right, let me get
Speaker 1: a color. I just love how excited Paul was there
Speaker 1: with all the dark blue. Well, you know there is
Speaker 1: you know eagle. Those are uninteresting, like the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 1: Uniforms are awful, but at least new and maybe a
Speaker 1: couple of eight year olds like them. But everything all
Speaker 1: else fails. Just go black. That's it. Hey, we got
Speaker 1: new uniforms. Yeah, I'm gonna guess black. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all black. That's the way to go. Yeah. My tweets
Speaker 1: and it was complaining that the Browns have always had
Speaker 1: orange uniforms. How did that start? That they've the Browns
Speaker 1: are orange? That is kind of weird when you think
Speaker 1: about it. It's like browns like browns, like orange and
Speaker 1: brown together. They can they created their own color. It's
Speaker 1: named after Paul Brown, yes, yes, but still they should
Speaker 1: have made brown uniforms back. Well they did that. It
Speaker 1: was a Cleveland the Cleveland Browns for Paul Brown. But
Speaker 1: the uniform, the jersey was brown. Yes, this day in
Speaker 1: Brown's uniform history. Nineteen fifty the Browns instrue solid orange
Speaker 1: helmets for the first time and orange stripes. They used
Speaker 1: to be brown and white in the fifties, they introduced
Speaker 1: some orange. Second installment of the award winning drama Saved
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Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania's back. Hi, Jonathan, what's on your mind? Hey? What? Hey?
Speaker 1: I was over hearing the love is saying that maybe
Speaker 1: Justice stew wants to go to Jess. It's just immedia speculation,
Speaker 1: you know. Um yeah. The NFC East, that's you know,
Speaker 1: all former are the worst team. You know, they're doing
Speaker 1: bad performance Like yesterday, Jerry Don't just stated that Dak
Speaker 1: press as our part of back it easier Quarterback. I
Speaker 1: know we talked about the copy was every single day
Speaker 1: because they're the America's team. But Dak Prescott if easier quarterback,
Speaker 1: you should have been signing it instead of being a
Speaker 1: franchise tag. Now Dak Prescott is injured, well less you
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be injured against They said it's ankle
Speaker 1: fracture because if you run like that again, he's gonna
Speaker 1: get injured again. So I'm gonna have Justin Field or
Speaker 1: Charlan as the back full quarterback. All right, Well, I
Speaker 1: we talked about that yesterday, Jonathan, and that is if
Speaker 1: you can get a rookie. If you said I could
Speaker 1: have Justin Fields or Dak Prescott next year, I would
Speaker 1: take Justin Fields because this is about the financial aspect
Speaker 1: moving forward for the next five years with that contract.
Speaker 1: Do I want to spend thirty eight million dollars on
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott or I'm going to be spending nine million
Speaker 1: dollars a year. Like there's no middle ground. Dak's not
Speaker 1: going to take twenty twenty two, twenty four, twenty five.
Speaker 1: And if I can get Justin Fields and I and
Speaker 1: if he checks out and he you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know how good he is. You know, playing at Ohio
Speaker 1: State is strange that it feels like there's so much
Speaker 1: talent around you. I don't know if you can get
Speaker 1: a true assessment of those uarterbacks at Ohio State. You
Speaker 1: know Cardale Jones. He was great, but he wasn't an
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback. I don't know if Dwayne Haskins is a
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. I think he can play. I don't know
Speaker 1: how great he is because I saw him at Ohio State,
Speaker 1: and I still go back to the Michigan game. Those
Speaker 1: wide receivers, the wide and wide receiver was for wide
Speaker 1: open because they were wide open. Throws a great ball,
Speaker 1: But I don't know, if you know, is he a
Speaker 1: great quarterback? Can he be a great quarterback? I have
Speaker 1: no idea. I think it's really hard to assess some
Speaker 1: quarterbacks at some schools. By the way, I said I
Speaker 1: was going to have a Pack twelve offering here, it's
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's worthy of that. The whole
Speaker 1: West Coast is way okay. So the MAC is playing tonight.
Speaker 1: There's three games tonight. If I'm the PAC twelve and
Speaker 1: I want to own a night own a day, why
Speaker 1: don't I just play Wednesday night football? Because you're playing
Speaker 1: at nine am West Coast time now, and you're a
Speaker 1: West Coast fan, You're going, what are we doing? Like
Speaker 1: what happened to the PAC twelve, the artist formerly known
Speaker 1: as the PAC twelve. If I just say we're playing
Speaker 1: Wednesday night and it's PAC twelve night and you're playing
Speaker 1: those games, then I would seriously consider that because you
Speaker 1: want to be relevant. You're not relevant unless you go, hey,
Speaker 1: we're on at nine am in the morning. Okay, but
Speaker 1: Arizona State USC snuck up on people. People on the
Speaker 1: East coast. It's snuck up on You're like, wait what?
Speaker 1: But it feels like these are desperate times for the
Speaker 1: PAC twelve and just being relevant. You want people to
Speaker 1: see Oregon. Is Oregon going to be a team that
Speaker 1: we would put in the top ten, top five? The
Speaker 1: MAC feels more relevant than the PAC twelve, and that
Speaker 1: should never happen. Why not just own Wednesday night? Saturday
Speaker 1: night used to be a big deal for the PAC
Speaker 1: twelve and loved watching those games late at night, East
Speaker 1: Coast time because I don't want to have an East
Speaker 1: Coast bye, so of course, but I at this stage
Speaker 1: right now, I don't know how many games you get in.
Speaker 1: You've already had one game canceled and you just want
Speaker 1: to get Can we get six seven games in here?
Speaker 1: Can we have somebody watch us? Can we have somebody
Speaker 1: right about us. It's like the standalone game on Thursday
Speaker 1: night always gets so much attention written about it, and
Speaker 1: it's by default because it's Thursday night. The PAC twelve
Speaker 1: needs somebody to be watching. Yeah, I'm a club. This
Speaker 1: is going to sound very contrarian, but maybe the PAC
Speaker 1: twelve is like orienting itself around like academics and not.
Speaker 1: They don't feel like these programs are all in. I
Speaker 1: mean USC, I feel these are the scandal, like it's
Speaker 1: stepping back. They don't want to be a jock school
Speaker 1: because of the lawsuit and stuff and Washington all these schools,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, like why do they I don't
Speaker 1: know why it's such a big deal for a PAC twelve.
Speaker 1: Dega can't you do both? Why can't you do both?
Speaker 1: You can't do both? You can't I mean Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: It's finally back in. But you can't have high academic
Speaker 1: standards and have like the best team in the country, right,
Speaker 1: isn't that what just having a relevant team? That Pact
Speaker 1: twelve is not relevant and it's a shame because it
Speaker 1: feels like there's a big four not a big five anymore.
Speaker 1: And you know the Pac twelve network has not been successful,
Speaker 1: and there's so much talent, certainly out there on the
Speaker 1: West coast, and it just feels like this is a
Speaker 1: lost season for them. But like like UCLA does not
Speaker 1: they are not going to spend on football. Like there's
Speaker 1: like we've heard that a million times. I know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that Cal is not going to do that. Well,
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve should decide what it wants to be.
Speaker 1: Then Stanford's had both They've had success academic standards. I mean,
Speaker 1: it works. I know that Michigan's talked about how you
Speaker 1: know they Rich Rodriguez came to Jim Harball's defense saying that, hey,
Speaker 1: you can't get everybody in that you want to get in. Now,
Speaker 1: Notre Dame same thing. They can't get in everybody they
Speaker 1: want to get in. I still go back and I'll
Speaker 1: take a break because Jim Gray is going to join us.
Speaker 1: But urban Meyer when he was going, he was looking
Speaker 1: at the Notre Dame job. Now this this came from
Speaker 1: Jerome bettis the Notre Dame grand and he said they
Speaker 1: were trying to get urban Meyer to take the Notre
Speaker 1: Dame job. I guess he went through South Ben and
Speaker 1: he said, how many players can I get in who
Speaker 1: might be on the cutting line the edge here, and
Speaker 1: I think they said you could get one now, lou
Speaker 1: Holt Scott two each year where they admitted somebody they
Speaker 1: probably like Tony Rice. I think they admitted that they
Speaker 1: wouldn't have admitted during normal circumstances. And he won a
Speaker 1: national title. Yeah, poling other schools down south, they work
Speaker 1: in two smart kids. Hey, let's get a kick. He
Speaker 1: with a four pointzer and old tim Yeah, we gotta
Speaker 1: we gotta get somebody who's got a good, great point
Speaker 1: average to raise that up. But I'll walk on with
Speaker 1: like bangs with a four point zero. Urban Meyer just
Speaker 1: kept going. He's like, I'm gonna head down to Florida.
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm going to pass through here, and this
Speaker 1: is Drone Bettas telling me the story. He's like, we
Speaker 1: were trying to say, come on, you take the job.
Speaker 1: I got one guy who might not get in normally.
Speaker 1: And then he was like, I'm gonna keep going south
Speaker 1: and heading to Florida. More phone calls coming up up next.
Speaker 1: Jim Gray on his new book, and I highly recommend it.
Speaker 1: There's so many great stories in here with all of
Speaker 1: the biggest names. That's why it's called goats Goats, because
Speaker 1: he speaks to all the ghost goats. Also coming up
Speaker 1: next hour, another great book, another great writer, Wright Thompson
Speaker 1: will join us. He has a book on bourbon. But
Speaker 1: it's not really about bourbon. It's about family. It's about
Speaker 1: Pappy van Winkle, Pappy Land. But right will join us.
Speaker 1: Coming up in an hour. Take a break. More phone
Speaker 1: calls as well. Twenty two after the hour Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 1: story to keep an eye on, kind of a sneaky one.
Speaker 1: NFL will vote on a plan for sixteen playoff teams
Speaker 1: contingency on Tuesday, So later today they're voting on this
Speaker 1: contingency plan. NFL owners will vote to approve a COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen contingency playoff plan that would only be enacted if
Speaker 1: a meaningful game is canceled. The plan throws out the
Speaker 1: current format, replaces it with a seated bracket, and expands
Speaker 1: the total number of playoff teams. Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger
Speaker 1: deemed a high risk close contact per Source. Provided he
Speaker 1: passes a test this week, he would be eligible to
Speaker 1: come off the list on Saturday and play Sunday against
Speaker 1: the Bengals. He's Jim Gray, the sportscaster, reporter, producer, twelve
Speaker 1: times Sports Emmy Award winner, and his new book I
Speaker 1: highly recommend. It's called Talking to Goats, The Moments you
Speaker 1: Remember and the Stories You Never Heard. Available beginning today
Speaker 1: online wherever books are sold. Jim, good morning, How are you.
Speaker 1: I'm great. Dan good to see you. How are you.
Speaker 1: I'm doing great? Where are you right now? I'm in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Had to get out of my house this morning,
Speaker 1: no internet, no power. So I've come across the way
Speaker 1: here to a place that I think you know. Oh, Riviera. Wow,
Speaker 1: So you're right off the putting green above eighteen there
Speaker 1: at Riviera. Yes, thanks to mister Jumaki for letting me
Speaker 1: come over on short Nottings. I was just telling the
Speaker 1: Danettes about the Richard Nixon story, and they thought that
Speaker 1: I was talking about somebody else named Nixon. Here I
Speaker 1: explained the former president and how you come in contact
Speaker 1: with him, and started talking football. I was living at
Speaker 1: John Madden's place at the Dakota. He was a dear friend,
Speaker 1: and John let me stay stay at his place for
Speaker 1: a couple of years. It was like the guy who
Speaker 1: came for dinner and never left. I was walking down
Speaker 1: the street one day and guy pulls up in a
Speaker 1: sedan and it's black tinted windows, and the guy says
Speaker 1: to me, are you Jim Gray? And I said yeah,
Speaker 1: and I just kind of kept walking because black tinted windows,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, well, was this guy I want to
Speaker 1: talk to me for? So I crossed the street and
Speaker 1: they came back around. He said you're Jim Gray. I
Speaker 1: said what, Yeah, we kind of established that I am
Speaker 1: nice to see you. President Nixon wants to talk to him.
Speaker 1: And a guy rolled down the window and there it
Speaker 1: was Richard Nixon. So I got in the car talked
Speaker 1: to Richard Nixon for forty five minutes. He knew everything
Speaker 1: about New York football giants, he knew everything about baseball.
Speaker 1: He's rattling all statistics. He's got all kinds of all
Speaker 1: kinds of scenarios in his head of what gone on
Speaker 1: in All Star games. So I get out of the
Speaker 1: car all excited. I come back to the apartment and
Speaker 1: I see Madden. I say, hey, coach, You're not going
Speaker 1: to believe this. I'm walking down the street and I
Speaker 1: just talked for forty five minutes with President Nixon. He said,
Speaker 1: don't ever, as Madden. I've heard all the s I
Speaker 1: can take from a Tusac and sister. Don't ever ask Madden,
Speaker 1: and he walks out of the room. Well, about a
Speaker 1: year later, I'm sitting I'm sitting in there watching television.
Speaker 1: Madden comes in. He says, I'm sorry I called you
Speaker 1: in S. What are you talking about, coach? He said,
Speaker 1: about a year ago, I called you in S And
Speaker 1: guess what. I just spent about an hour in the
Speaker 1: car with Richard Dixon over here on seventy Columbus And
Speaker 1: you're living in the Dakota at John Madden's apartment. This
Speaker 1: is right off Central Park, and you end up some
Speaker 1: kind of encounter with Yoko Ono in the Dakota. She
Speaker 1: lived right across the way. So when you look out
Speaker 1: of Madden's kitchen, I don't know. Sixty feet ninety feet
Speaker 1: across the way in the Dakota in the courtyard was
Speaker 1: Yoko Ono and she lived there, obviously with John Lennon
Speaker 1: and he was assassinated. And so, you know, I'd get
Speaker 1: up and have some wormsjuice, and from time to time
Speaker 1: she'd be in the window. We just kind of waved.
Speaker 1: She would wave back, so she probably thought I was
Speaker 1: one of Madden's sons or didn't really know. So one
Speaker 1: day I'm walking back from the from the studios from
Speaker 1: thirty Rock, and I walking through ironically Strawberry Fields and
Speaker 1: there's Yoko Ono and she's with somebody, and so I said, hello,
Speaker 1: missus missus Ono, Hello Yoko, and I'm Jim Gray. I
Speaker 1: wavedy all the time, and we talked and she was
Speaker 1: very pleasant. About a minute and a half, two minutes,
Speaker 1: three minutes whatever, it was not long, and you could
Speaker 1: see it kind of it ended dan and so I said, well,
Speaker 1: maybe we should have a Coca cola one time, or
Speaker 1: get together and have some coffee, and she said, no,
Speaker 1: I prefer to wave. So so about a week and
Speaker 1: a half later, you know, it's kind of embarrassed, but
Speaker 1: you know that's all right. She was very nice. I mean,
Speaker 1: she was very she was terrific. So she's sitting in
Speaker 1: the window and I kind of waved, and I was
Speaker 1: a little sheepish because I thought maybe she'd blow me off.
Speaker 1: She preferred to wave. Give me the toughest story to
Speaker 1: tell in this book. Wow, the toughest story to tell, Well,
Speaker 1: it's probably Pete Rose and Pete Rose interview that happened
Speaker 1: twenty one years ago. Um, just because of everything that
Speaker 1: went on and all of the vitriol and tumult that
Speaker 1: was associated with it, uh for me, for him, uh,
Speaker 1: for the network, and for everybody involved for Baseball walk
Speaker 1: us through it. The game plan that you know they
Speaker 1: were they were honoring, you know, the greats I think
Speaker 1: was MasterCard. I think honoring the greats of the game.
Speaker 1: And you were on field reporter friend BC and what
Speaker 1: was your game plan in talking to Pete? Well, everybody
Speaker 1: had decided you and you worked there for a long time, Dan,
Speaker 1: so you know, Dick Eversoul and Sam Flood and Bob Costas,
Speaker 1: Bob Yuker, Joe Morgan. You know, we had our meeting
Speaker 1: and we wanted to speak to Pete, and we didn't
Speaker 1: really know if he was going to speaker not. Then
Speaker 1: we got confirmation that he would, and so we all
Speaker 1: had a meeting and everybody agreed that, you know, what
Speaker 1: the line of questioning had to be. It was the
Speaker 1: first time he'd been on the field in ten years,
Speaker 1: after having signed his own banishment away and hoping to
Speaker 1: be reinstated, but so far that had been unfulfilled. So
Speaker 1: you know, the idea was to ask him about what
Speaker 1: had gone on in his life. I saw Pete in
Speaker 1: a room with all the greats that they were celebrating
Speaker 1: the All Century team and talked to him briefly about
Speaker 1: the interview and he said, what would it be about?
Speaker 1: And I said, it's going to be about everything in
Speaker 1: your life, Beaten, and he agreed, so he said, okay.
Speaker 1: So when he came over, you know, just started asking
Speaker 1: the questions and felt that it was necessary at that
Speaker 1: time to you know, establish why he hadn't been in
Speaker 1: baseball and did he want to make some sort of
Speaker 1: admission And it just kind of careened from there. Do
Speaker 1: you think he understood of how to make himself a
Speaker 1: sympathetic figure in that moment? Make you look bad? You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I never contemplated that. I don't think so,
Speaker 1: you know, believe it or not. Dan, after twenty one
Speaker 1: years and everything that went on, I sat down with
Speaker 1: Pete Rose last week and did an interview and we're
Speaker 1: going to have it on Fox on Sunday night on
Speaker 1: Fox News on Sunday night at ten o'clock, an hour
Speaker 1: special on Talking to Goats. And we talked for an
Speaker 1: hour and a half. But I don't think he was,
Speaker 1: you know, he says. He says in the special that
Speaker 1: he had been playing baseball since he was eight years old,
Speaker 1: since they determined, you know, he was special. All the
Speaker 1: way up until he was forty seven, he was involved
Speaker 1: in the game, and he said it was just not
Speaker 1: in his best interest to come clean. First of all,
Speaker 1: he didn't think they had the evidence. Even after they
Speaker 1: had the evidence, and he said, if I would have
Speaker 1: admitted this, I was guaranteeing my own banishment. So it
Speaker 1: was just better to lie and hope that they didn't
Speaker 1: and that it would go away and that it got
Speaker 1: away from him. You talked to a lot of different people. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the book is called Talking to Goats. We're talking to
Speaker 1: Jim Gray, his new book that's out now. It's available
Speaker 1: online wherever books are sold. Your favorite athlete that you
Speaker 1: talk about, have a story about in the book is who.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would have any favorite Dan.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been, you know, very close to a
Speaker 1: lot of guys. Chuck Daily was my best friend. Julius
Speaker 1: Irving obviously opened so many doors for me. Was in
Speaker 1: the wedding Muhammad Ali and traveling with him, and my
Speaker 1: first interview with Muhammad Ali. Loved Charles Barclay's company, do
Speaker 1: a radio show for the past decade plus with Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: So it's hard for me to just sit here at pinpoint.
Speaker 1: Knew Kobe Bryant since he was just an infant all
Speaker 1: the way through his life and you know, still mourning
Speaker 1: that loss, and and you know, he was a close,
Speaker 1: dear friend. So I wouldn't want to just sit here
Speaker 1: and say any one of them, but I would just
Speaker 1: say the whole collection of them all have been a really,
Speaker 1: really fortunate existence, and I wouldn't trade it. What's your
Speaker 1: favorite Kobe story? My favorite Kobe story is probably well,
Speaker 1: my favorite story is one that didn't take place on
Speaker 1: the court. We went to Hong Kong together and there
Speaker 1: were a bunch of folks that wanted to hear from Kobe,
Speaker 1: and so there were twenty guys that wanted to hear
Speaker 1: from them. So we flew over there, spent thirty six
Speaker 1: hours together, did a question and answer, and after we
Speaker 1: had done the question and answer, we went to karaoke
Speaker 1: in Hong Kong where only only language really spoken there
Speaker 1: in this bar was Chinese. And we went in there
Speaker 1: and started singing Taking Me Home Country Roads by John Denver.
Speaker 1: He sang New York by Jay Z and Alicia Keys,
Speaker 1: and my wife Frand was with me and she was
Speaker 1: singing an Elvis song, and we just had so much
Speaker 1: fun that night. I'm getting chills saying this. We had
Speaker 1: so much fun. And he was so dedicated to his kids,
Speaker 1: and he had been out of basketball for a couple
Speaker 1: of years at that point, maybe two or three, and
Speaker 1: he was just so at ease and is never forget
Speaker 1: to sing. Those people in that karaoke bar knew very
Speaker 1: little or no English other than the songs, but every
Speaker 1: single one of them wanted to touch Kobe Bryant. Every
Speaker 1: single one of them wanted to be near him, take
Speaker 1: a photo. Knew who he was and wanted to be
Speaker 1: in his company. And I'd seen that with Ali, and
Speaker 1: I'd seen that with Doctor Jay, and you see that.
Speaker 1: I saw that with Michael Jackson when I was with
Speaker 1: him at a fight. But just the pure joy that
Speaker 1: he was able to bring those folks and the fun
Speaker 1: that he had doing it. I guess that's the favorite thing,
Speaker 1: you know that I would It's probably because it's also
Speaker 1: the most recent. I mentioned this one when Muhammad Ali died,
Speaker 1: that his impact on a new generation was really not
Speaker 1: necessarily about boxing. It was about being an activist. It
Speaker 1: was about being out there. It was all the bravery
Speaker 1: that he had his entire career. And I think that
Speaker 1: that whole wave of Chris Paul and Lebron James and
Speaker 1: you know, some of these other players, they saw this retrospective,
Speaker 1: these eulogies to him, and I don't know if it
Speaker 1: triggered something, and I don't know if he ever got
Speaker 1: that feeling, but it felt like Ali's impact on this
Speaker 1: new generation was based off things he did outside of
Speaker 1: the ring. I would say that's one percent accurate. Look
Speaker 1: at what Lebron did in the documentary that he did
Speaker 1: for HBO, which I believe was just this year on
Speaker 1: Muhammed Ali. He was the executive producer, oh, with Maverick
Speaker 1: Carter and Rich Paul and their company and Randy Mimms.
Speaker 1: And I think that what they saw in Ali and
Speaker 1: what we all saw in Ali, and it and it
Speaker 1: resonated throughout his whole life. But the courage, you know,
Speaker 1: the greatest moment that I ever saw in sports, it's twofold,
Speaker 1: but the first one has to be Muhammad Ali when
Speaker 1: he lit the torch. And I was on the field
Speaker 1: that night in Atlanta doing the Olympics, and Bob Costas
Speaker 1: and Dick Enberg were in my ear and we could
Speaker 1: hear that, and you could see that, and just the
Speaker 1: courage that it took, the bravery, the humanity, the fragility
Speaker 1: of life, and the pure greatness of that moment, and
Speaker 1: that man for all that he stood, for all of
Speaker 1: the principles, everything that he had done in the ring
Speaker 1: and more so out of the ring. It was all
Speaker 1: there in front of us. And if that wasn't an
Speaker 1: example that will live forever for good, for future generations,
Speaker 1: for everything that he did for all of us and
Speaker 1: for the world. And I think all of those guys
Speaker 1: saw that, and all of those guys know his story
Speaker 1: and so yes, do they want to emulate that? Yes?
Speaker 1: And do they want to carve their own path and
Speaker 1: do great things? Yes? I truly believe that. Dude. I
Speaker 1: know you have a great relationship with Tom Brady, but
Speaker 1: I'm do you know everything that went into that decision
Speaker 1: to leave Tampa Because in the book you mentioned that
Speaker 1: you know there were three teams involved, including the Chicago Bears,
Speaker 1: that Tom was considering. What don't we know about that
Speaker 1: decision by Tom to leave the Patriots? Well, what don't
Speaker 1: we know? I mean, I think I know you know,
Speaker 1: I know Tom very well, but I can't tell you
Speaker 1: his innermost thoughts. I do know that his family was
Speaker 1: very important, and I do know that the proximity of
Speaker 1: Tampa to Brazil and to Costa Rica is very important
Speaker 1: because of Giselle. And I do know that his son
Speaker 1: Jack lives in New York and would come to the
Speaker 1: games in Boston and visit his father, and he's now
Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen years old, and that's very important to him.
Speaker 1: So when it came down to the Chargers, Chicago and Tampa,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that the Chargers just the proximity
Speaker 1: and the West Coast was just too tough for a
Speaker 1: fourteen year old to be flying back and forth fourteen
Speaker 1: hours a weekend. And then that that makes it also
Speaker 1: another eight hours for Giselle to get to her family.
Speaker 1: So I think that in the end, the family was
Speaker 1: most important and Chicago. I can't tell you why he
Speaker 1: didn't choose Chicago and why he did choose Tampa. Weather
Speaker 1: probably had a little bit to do with it. After
Speaker 1: freezing and suffering through New England all those years, Tom
Speaker 1: Things could be pretty happy sitting out there in that whirlpool. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, getting better with Alex Guerrero after some of
Speaker 1: these games. You know, the heat, it's a little bit
Speaker 1: better than the frozen cold. I highly recommend the book.
Speaker 1: It's a great read and if you want one of
Speaker 1: those stocking stuffers in time for Christmas, it's called Talking
Speaker 1: to Goats and it's available in bookstores and online wherever
Speaker 1: books are sold. It's Talking to Goats, the moments you
Speaker 1: remember and the stories you never heard. And what I
Speaker 1: loved about it, Jim was gave. You gave your side,
Speaker 1: whether you you know the Pete Rose situation, the decision
Speaker 1: with Lebron All you did was give context to a
Speaker 1: story that I think people have already made up their
Speaker 1: minds about. And I think even if you've made up
Speaker 1: your mind, I think you may pe you're going to
Speaker 1: make people reconsider or look at it differently. And I, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you put it out there, warts and all
Speaker 1: these stories, and I really enjoyed it. Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you reading it. Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1: Love your show, love the guys, and what I'm most
Speaker 1: happy about. You're doing great. Yeah, I feel better and
Speaker 1: you're out there. Hey, Corn Ferry Tour. I'm I'm ready
Speaker 1: to see it. Yeah. Yeah. I played golf with Jim
Speaker 1: at at Riviera. He played better than I did there
Speaker 1: and we were on the tenth hole. We're approaching the
Speaker 1: tenth green and he had been talking about my health
Speaker 1: and he goes, hold on, let me call Tom. So
Speaker 1: he calls Brady and he's face Time's Brady. He's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I got somebody wants to say hello. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I what, Hey, Tom, how are you? And then you
Speaker 1: guys talked about some other things. But Tom did send
Speaker 1: me a book thanks to you, with all of his
Speaker 1: workout regimen and a diet and everything else as well.
Speaker 1: So I look exactly like Brady does now, Tom, Jim
Speaker 1: and and and I hope the TV twelveth method helped you.
Speaker 1: But I remember we had a great day together too.
Speaker 1: And I remember you tried to dunk on Doctor j
Speaker 1: Oh out there out there in Salt Lake City. That
Speaker 1: was NBA Finals, mid nineties. And Jim invited me to
Speaker 1: play with Doctor Jay. And we're playing at a golf
Speaker 1: course outside of Salt Lake and there was a backup
Speaker 1: on like the fifteenth tea, and there was a basketball
Speaker 1: court in a yard right off the tea, and I said, Doc,
Speaker 1: would you come over and shoot around? And Doc is
Speaker 1: one of the nicest people you ever meet. And then
Speaker 1: I said, would you stand underneath because I want to
Speaker 1: dunk on you. So we lowered the hoop to like
Speaker 1: maybe eight feet, and I and Doctor Jay let me
Speaker 1: dunk on him that day. Jim, you know, if we
Speaker 1: all would have had hammer that day, boy, that would
Speaker 1: have been that would have been all over everywhere. It
Speaker 1: depends on how you framed it. But if you framed
Speaker 1: it where I was actually on a ten foot dunking
Speaker 1: on Doctor Ja I could have lived in infamy. But
Speaker 1: thanks again, and thank you as always for your friendship,
Speaker 1: and I wish you the best of luck with the book.
Speaker 1: Thanks Dan. That's Jim Gray Forrest Gump of Sports Reporters.
Speaker 1: He's everywhere. I told you the Richard Nixon story. First
Speaker 1: of all, Jim goes, yeah, I'm staying at John Madden's apartment.
Speaker 1: I go, okay, that's a story in itself. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll take a break. Welcome back after this and The
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick's Show. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick
Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday
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Speaker 1: to Gillette Stadium to take on Cam Newton and the
Speaker 1: Patriots Sunday night, seven Eastern only on NBC. Connor in Texas,
Speaker 1: Hey Connor, what's on your mind? Hey DV I saw
Speaker 1: a couple quick things. Man. You're talking about all the
Speaker 1: gems earlier and making all these terrible ticks and all
Speaker 1: being fund of their jobs, the guys striking out all
Speaker 1: the time. What are these labs in real life? Can
Speaker 1: you be wrong all the time and still not worry
Speaker 1: about your job? Because there's one obvious one. Let's I'll
Speaker 1: talk about it. And then my second point. Our question
Speaker 1: is for PAULI. Paul, you got that flannel patch around?
Speaker 1: I hope you got nearby. I've been thinking of a
Speaker 1: name for it. It's been right there and funny all
Speaker 1: this whole time, and I was hoping if Paul was okay,
Speaker 1: I would attempt to name the patch the flannel patch
Speaker 1: on our flannels that we sell at the website. No,
Speaker 1: the flannel eyepatch Hypolis. Oh yeah, oh you got that here.
Speaker 1: The flannel eyepatch has been right there. Yeah, he's got
Speaker 1: a name. You're gonna put it on right now? Oh,
Speaker 1: there you go. Okay, the perfect name is right there
Speaker 1: in funny all right. The name for the eyepatch should
Speaker 1: be Jenny Patchy. Oh wow, thank you, Connor. That's uh
Speaker 1: girl broke my heart in high school, Jenny Batchy. But
Speaker 1: I'm over it. I got over that like last year,
Speaker 1: I think, or the year before. Jenny Jenny Batchy one
Speaker 1: of the great ones. Yes, Paul, if I could go
Speaker 1: back being blind in my left eye. I would Warren
Speaker 1: and I Patch in high school. I think the sympathy
Speaker 1: factor may have helped me with girls. It could not
Speaker 1: have hurt me. It could only have helped me. A
Speaker 1: couple of people feel bad for me. They hold my
Speaker 1: books or something, or walk me to class. I should
Speaker 1: have milked it. Then, what was Connor's other question about
Speaker 1: how can you be wrong all the time and so
Speaker 1: have a job. Yeah, I thought he teached one where
Speaker 1: you could do it. Then he never told us what
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, I mean Jenny Patchy, Jenny Patchi's Jenny
Speaker 1: patche It's a great one. Kind of walk off there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what's the job that you can have where
Speaker 1: you can be wrong every time? Well, you can't be
Speaker 1: wrong all the time as a weather man, I mean
Speaker 1: you do have to get some right. I like when
Speaker 1: they would have the check mark, when when the weather
Speaker 1: man would say it's gonna be like seventy to seventy five,
Speaker 1: she had a five degree window there, and then he'd
Speaker 1: get a check and I'd go, yeah, my local weather
Speaker 1: got a check. Yeah. See, don't you feel like like
Speaker 1: corporations all over the place are loaded with people who
Speaker 1: failed upwards anyway, though, everybody's got a buss that's been like,
Speaker 1: how did that guy become a boss? He's an idiot.
Speaker 1: We work with some of those people before, sure, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: failing upwards like my favorite thing. Yeah, radios loaded with it? Yes,
Speaker 1: how did you what? I think you're doing? What he
Speaker 1: might have been going? Current events and pulsers, because that's
Speaker 1: that's a heated field. Like pulsars have been kind of
Speaker 1: wrong and so like why did they even have them?
Speaker 1: It's a big question. Well, we don't talk about him
Speaker 1: until every four years. They're like bracketologists. Yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 1: Joe Leonardi. We talked about Joe, you know, for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks every year. Yes, if you're like an
Speaker 1: on air person who works on a gambling show and
Speaker 1: your picks are forty percent, how would you keep your
Speaker 1: job because basically you're costing all your listeners and viewers
Speaker 1: tons intends of money. That would be a tough one. Yes,
Speaker 1: that would be By the way, I have the new
Speaker 1: odds for the National Championship the top teams. Gosh, I
Speaker 1: wish there was an eighteen playoff this year. Also a
Speaker 1: new favorite for the Heisman. Have that for you? Coming up?
Speaker 1: As well, and another book I highly recommend because I
Speaker 1: think he's one of the great writers, great storytellers in America.
Speaker 1: Right Thompson from ESPN will join us. He's written a
Speaker 1: book about urban It's is like Oprah's book Club. It's
Speaker 1: Dan's book Club, Jim Gray's book. Right Thompson's book Final
Speaker 1: Hour coming up.