1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: My name is matt Our. Comrade Noel is on an adventure, 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: but we'll return shortly. They called me Ben and we're 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: joined as always with our superproducer Ball. Mission control decands, 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,319 Speaker 1: most importantly, you are you, You are here, and that 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,959 Speaker 1: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: What better way to begin then a quote from a 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: modern day Shakespeare, Oh my god, brain implants. They say, 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: there's a slim chance I won't stay the same because 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: they traded brains with the Chimpans. If you if you 14 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: look it up on genius dot com, they go to 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: spot for hip hop lyrics, you'll see that's Chimpans with 16 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: an apostrophe. It's short for chimpan Z, so that slim 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: Shady could put it into the correct cadence. Um, I 18 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: love you love it. It's you know. I think that 19 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: might be the only time we mentioned eminem on today's episode, 20 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: But we're gonna see where it goes. We can't make 21 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: any promises because Matt, Matt, you and Paul and I 22 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: and our fellow conspiracy realists listening, even Doc, we are 23 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: on the precipice of something that some people are telling 24 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: us is going to be amazing, maybe even the next 25 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: step in human evolution, and that other people are telling 26 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: us will be terrible and dystopian. And I know you 27 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: very well, and you know I hold you in such 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: high esteem. I feel like I kind of have a 29 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: sense of which camp you fall into on this one. 30 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you think you think? I think I have 31 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: a little, just a little spidy sense about this. Um. 32 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: What do you think of when you think of brain implants? Mattuh, gosh, 33 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: I think of our old house stuff works days when 34 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: we did some research into the early brain implant stuff. 35 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: I believe it involved a bull and showing that you 36 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: could use electricity to stop a bull. And I think 37 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: maybe that's excellent. Yes, yeah, that is uh that comes 38 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: into conspiracy theories all their own, and we're gonna find 39 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: them on the way to today's rabbit hole. But yes, 40 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: that's excellent. That's something I wish more people knew about. 41 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: I think we both do wish more people knew about that. 42 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: We are talking about the idea that we have explored 43 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: a little bit in the past in a much more 44 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: theoretical way, which is, uh, the idea that you are 45 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: closer and closer to a future wherein uh, your grandchildren 46 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: or the generations that come after you will not believe 47 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: you when you say you're all Back in my day, 48 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: you had to use your hands on these things that 49 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: call keyboards, and working with a computer was like playing 50 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: a weird piano. It will be the new uphill both 51 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: ways in the snow, right because there won't be any 52 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: more snow also but but but yeah, this is this 53 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: is a real thing. You've probably seen the news, folks. Uh, 54 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: it's it's been in the news for a while, but 55 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: it's getting a bit of a renaissance and reporting, uh 56 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: due to some clever pr campaigns. Elon Musk you know him, 57 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: you know, I'm uh kind of a modern day Tony 58 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: Stark in some ways. Uh, he has garnered a lot 59 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: of attention with something called neural Link. Neural Link is, 60 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: according to its proponents, amazing. According to its critics and pundits, 61 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: some ethicis, some academics, a bevy of people. It is 62 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: not quite what we're being told it's supposed to be. 63 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: How do we talk about that? First we got to 64 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: talk about brain implants. Here are the facts. I love 65 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: that you point out how old this idea is, and 66 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,559 Speaker 1: it's okay, dude. I was trying to figure out the 67 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: very first example of the idea of a brain implant, 68 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, because this is the kind of stuff that 69 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: happens in science fiction before it becomes science fact. And 70 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: I guess really the starting thing is the definition, Like 71 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: what what is what is a brain implant? Is it 72 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: a prosthetic? Is it like a h surgery or is 73 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: it like is it more like a TMS device where 74 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: you just yeah, no, no, Well if if we're calling 75 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: it a brain implant, then and it is not a helmet. 76 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: It's not a device that you wear. It's a device 77 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: that goes into you, into your skull, and then attaches 78 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: to part of your brain. It's a direct communication pathway 79 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: between the electrical electrical things that occur in your mind, right, 80 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: the activity that happens in there when you're thinking, and 81 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: some external device or internal device. Right. But in order 82 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: to make that connection, you've got to have something in 83 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: your mind that's translating those electrical signals of your brain 84 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: to hit that other external device. Uh. And it's it's 85 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: weird to think about. If you go on the web 86 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: page of the thing we're talking about today, uh, it 87 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: says specifically that it wants to be able to connect 88 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: your brain to iOS, the operating system for an iPhone, 89 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: And that is weird to me to think about, rather 90 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: than it just being a connection to you know, anything, 91 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: or using some kind of external proprietary device. No, it 92 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: wants you to connected to your iPhone directly. I know, 93 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: I feel like I should change the lighting on my 94 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: on my web game. There we go naturistic. So yeah, 95 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: this is spot on exactly what's happening. And it's a 96 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: little worrisome because you are right now, if you're the 97 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: way you're listening to this show, you have an effective 98 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: air gap. You can take the headphones out. We'd love 99 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: it if you don't, but you can right and you 100 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: can push pause or you can fast forward, you can rewind, 101 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: you can do a multitude of things. You can throw 102 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: your iPhone into the c if you wanted to. You 103 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: could throw your iPhone into the sea. Yes, yeah, you could. 104 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: And this is something that is very easy for us 105 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: to do. It's up until shortly after this point in history, 106 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: that kind of that kind of emergency exit hatch was normal. 107 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: People didn't really think of other alternatives. But so I was, 108 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,679 Speaker 1: I was looking through historical records, and I was thinking, 109 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: I tried something a little trickier. Um not just when 110 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: was the first thing made? But I was also thinking, 111 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: when was an idea like this first conceived? And it 112 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: took me all the way back to mythology, all the 113 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: way back to folklore. Because while folks back then did 114 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: not have the term brain implant, ancient societies did have 115 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: multiple instances, multiple stories and legends of some sort of 116 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: influence getting into the human mind right in um. In 117 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: Abramaic religion, for instance, certain people are gifted with clairvoyance, 118 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: with precognition, with visions through through God, right through divine intervention, 119 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 1: and in other instances, like if you look at Grecian 120 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: mythology or record Roman mythology, you see ideas of people 121 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: getting influenced in terms of their behavior. Something goes into 122 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: your mind and it kind of exists there and it 123 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: compels you to or to do or to not do 124 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: a thing. So people have been thinking about this way 125 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: before computers, way before even the anti Cathera mechanism, which 126 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: is a trip ye. But if it goes to concepts 127 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: of possession of any sort and how that threat has 128 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: continued on for centuries, if millennia, it really does, and 129 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: so we know that this is something people thought about 130 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: a lot, even before they have the language and the 131 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: technology that human society uses today. But if we get 132 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: into the science, the history of the science, it gets 133 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: a little more murky. And part of the reason, not 134 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: to sound too conspiratorial from the jump, but part of 135 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: the reason, at least I think Matt is because some 136 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: of these experiments were conducted in secrecy, I'm convinced. And 137 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: then some were also uh not not so much applied 138 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: science as just pure science, pure research. Like there's a 139 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: guy who want to introduce Luigi Galvanni back in seventeen eighty. 140 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: It's actually a winter a winter's day, which goes into 141 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: the story back in sev he's dissecting a frog because 142 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: he doesn't have netflix or whatever, and he uh, when 143 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: he's dissecting this frog, he notices this ill fated anonymous 144 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: little hopity guy is twitching even though he's dead and 145 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: he's twitching because of static electricity is on the scalpel. 146 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: And that little discovery pave the way for all sorts 147 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: of amazing things, including this podcast episode. When he found 148 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: out about this, you know, he ran with it and 149 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: it's a it's a huge scientific contribution, and people kept 150 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: returning to the idea. In the eighteen seventies, there were 151 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: these scientists who figured out that you could through electrical 152 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: stimulation of a dog's brain, a canine, you could induce 153 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: physical movement in that canine's body. You could hold you 154 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,359 Speaker 1: could hold the uh uh, you can hold the Luciferian 155 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: gift of electricity to something like part of the dog's brain. 156 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: And then depending on which part you hit, which part 157 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: you stimulated, then you might see Phido's paul go up, 158 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: you might see the tail wag. But importantly, at this 159 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,359 Speaker 1: point you wouldn't be able to make them do anything 160 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: that they were like physically incapable of doing. There's not 161 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: a magic part of the dog's brain that given electricity, 162 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: while all of a sudden results in the dog writing 163 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: an operetta. You know, like that's that's an important thing, right, 164 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: It is a shame, Yeah, I mean, how different would 165 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: the world be if Luigi had found some part of 166 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: a frog's brain that enabled it to communicate with people 167 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: after death. What frogs think about in the afterlife? Yeah? Yeah, Well, 168 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: you're bringing up a great point that connects deeply with 169 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: the whole topic of this show. Using animals as test 170 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: subjects to figure out how this whole thing works. Right 171 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: Where where we used frogs, they were dead already, but 172 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: they were test subjects, right, or science subjects at least 173 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: being used by Galvani when he was dissecting them and 174 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: then found out they could move. In this case, you're 175 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: using dogs, like just some dogs, uh in your shooting 176 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: electricity through their brain, and then it only goes on 177 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: from there. There's a there's a history of human test 178 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: subjects when it comes to this stuff where in the 179 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: name of science, an individual doctor or scientist is attempting 180 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: to figure this stuff out. There's one ben I think 181 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: you probably read it too. There was a woman who 182 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: had a problem with her brain which produced a hole 183 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: in her skull. I think because of a whalebone hat 184 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: she was wearing her some piece of clothing that had 185 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: a whalebone attached to it cut a hole essentially in 186 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: her skull and she had exposed section of her brain 187 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: where a scientist applied electrodes to see what would happen, 188 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: and it was not good. She she uh, he applied 189 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: a lot of electricity, and she ended up going into 190 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: a coma and then passing away several days after the experiment, 191 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: and at least according to many places online, it said 192 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: it was uncertain whether or not the experiment had anything 193 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: to do with her passing. But but yeah, unfortunately, because 194 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: there was still so much out there to learn about 195 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: what an appropriate voltage would be. For example, you know, 196 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: how how much electricity do you need to induce what 197 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: you want to induce versus doing permanent damage. And this 198 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: is not to say that any of these people were 199 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: purposely acting in unethical way given the you know, the 200 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: their societies at the time. They were just trying to 201 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: figure stuff out. And that's why it like four years 202 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: later e seventy four, guy named Robert H. Bartholow figures 203 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: out that he figures out, Hey, look at that, the 204 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: same principle that applied to these frogs and these dogs 205 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: applies to humans as well. What a time and then 206 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: if we if we fast barthlo is the guy barthlo 207 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: is the guy he experiments woman named Mary Rafferty, right, 208 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: and uh Rafferty made the ultimate sacrifice for science there um. 209 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: And you'll you'll notice that in the case of Galvani, 210 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: this is an accidental discovery, and in the case of 211 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: Robert Bartholow, this is also like he didn't know exactly 212 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: what would happen. Honestly, if if you fast forward, we're 213 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: still in the ancient history of this stuff. If you 214 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: fast forward, let's say you're in the nineties sixties, you're 215 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: in a bullfight, because you know when are you going 216 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: to be here again? You're in a bullfight, and you're thinking, Wow, 217 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: these things are actually really dangerous. Are you gonna kill 218 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: this bull? A bull might kill some other folks beforehand. 219 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: I might even get him out of door or two. Uh. 220 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: Then you see something crazy. He's a bull is really aggravated, 221 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: because that's part of bullfights, right. They they're entirely made 222 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: to anger. This this bull and this guy who looks 223 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: maybe a little bookish, not your average matador, certainly not 224 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: a rodeo clown or anything. He looks a little bookish. 225 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: He walks out and he's staring down this bull. And 226 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: you're thinking, well, your courage is inspiring, sir, but uh, 227 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: maybe pick battles. And the bull does the regular you know, 228 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: the grunt, snort, paw and the dirt and this guy 229 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: doesn't move. But what he does is, right as the 230 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: bull is barreling toward him, he takes out like a 231 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: little a little remote control earlier generations called he's a switcher, 232 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: and he hits his little button. What happens, the bull 233 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: stops in its tracks and it loses the overall aggressiveness 234 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: like all just like that, like the switch, like you said, 235 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: a switcher, it just goes docile. And you can imagine 236 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: if you were in the stands of that bullfight and 237 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: you watch that occur, how magical that would seem. Yeah, 238 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: bulls don't usually do that, you know, Uh, they have 239 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, This is this crowd at this 240 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: bullfight see something they've never seen before, and the bull 241 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: doesn't look intimidated. It just went from a hundred zero instant. 242 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: And then if you are an astute member of the 243 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: audience at that bullfight, you say, who is he? Who 244 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: is this guy? And someone tells you that guy is 245 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: actually a professor at Yale University. His name is Jose Delgado, 246 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: and he has invented something to put in that bull's brain. 247 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: He's not friends with this bull that like the bull 248 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: didn't suddenly remember his old pal Jose. Instead, the bull 249 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: was uh was subjected to a surgical procedure, and the 250 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: bull was rocking something called a trans dermal simulator or 251 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: steimo sever stemo sever. It was implanted in the brain 252 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: as Delgado's invention, to transmit electrical impulses that could modify 253 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: very basic behavior, so it could modify feelings of pleasure, 254 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: modify in this case, feelings of aggression. And this implant 255 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: that this bull had was an electrode array that was 256 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: put in the neighborhood of its brain called the call 257 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: date nucleus. And when this when he turned on this device, 258 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: when he applied the simulation, it's shut down. It stopped 259 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: the raging bull quite literally, even though that sounds like 260 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: a metaphor. Well, and and he figured it out because 261 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: science was real hip to this new surgical procedure or 262 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: semi surgical procedure called a lobotomy, and he Delgado wanted 263 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: to see if you could maybe not destroy part of 264 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: the brain in order to achieve that passiveness that that 265 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: exists with a lobotomy. What if you could use electrical 266 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: stimulation to do that? And he figured it out. Yeah yeah, 267 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: and it was the right thing to do ethically, because 268 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: lobotomy is are horrific, right, they're very much They're barbaric, really, 269 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: even with the best of intentions. So we know about 270 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: the Goddo's thoughts in the matter because he went on 271 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: to write a book called spooky title physical Control of 272 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: the Mind, which has to be read in that accent. Yeah. Yeah, 273 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: we have a quote from that in that book. Here 274 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: it is the feasibility of remote control of activities and 275 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: several species of animals has been demonstrated. The ultimate objective 276 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: of this research is to provide an understanding of the 277 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: mechanisms involved in the directional control of animals and to 278 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: provide practical systems suitable for human application. That last part, 279 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: the last part again, never does he mean animals being 280 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: used for human application through the through direct mind control? 281 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: Or does you mean direct mind control of humans? Right? Yeah, 282 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: think about it. It feels weird to point in our 283 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: heads during this episode, but okay, that so this stuff 284 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: is real. Jose Delgado is the subject of a lot 285 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: of conspiracy theories, and you'll run into arguments proposing or 286 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: even alleging or claiming that he did a lot more 287 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: research and it was much more nefarious, and they'll tie 288 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: him to things like him Kay Ultra or to this 289 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: CIA at the time. And you know there's a grain 290 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: of truth in that, because the CIA was going absolutely 291 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: hog wild. You know in this era that if you 292 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: had gone to the CIA and you had reliable methods 293 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: to create so called Manurian candidate to control someone's mind, 294 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: then the CIA would be super down to cloud with you. 295 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: They would be so on board. So it's understandable. But 296 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: a lot of the allegations go far afield without evidence 297 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: to support them. Still, it's already spooky stuff. It's just 298 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: gonna get spookier, very much so. But before we get there, 299 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna hear a quick word from our sponsor, hopefully 300 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: not Neuralink. Maybe if it's twenty thirty four, there will 301 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: be an ad for neural Lincoln. Here. Uh, we'll see 302 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: connect your brains to your iOS And here we go. 303 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: We've returned for a bit of science. Look, our our 304 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: basic point is that people have been trying to influence 305 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: other people's brains and their behavior since forever, since the 306 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: human definition of forever, and now technological breakthroughs may finally 307 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: make this a new reality. Is where we introduce you 308 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: to the neural link, a nice portmanteau brought to you 309 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: by Elon Musk. It's the words neural and link together 310 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,719 Speaker 1: with one L, so it flows up. Is it neural 311 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: link or neural link or neural ink? Which one is it. 312 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: I haven't watched any videos on this, so I haven't 313 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: heard anyone actually say it. I've just been a eating, 314 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: so I honestly don't know. Yeah, yeah, it's a I've 315 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: heard it pronounced neural link um. But also now that 316 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: you say it, I realized I'm saying it quickly. He said, 317 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: it's the neuralal um. Neural ink scares me. And well, 318 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: but the idea like this is something in your brain. 319 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: Is the page of the palam says here, So let's 320 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: be clear, and a lot must will attest to this himself. 321 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: He did not invent this idea. This is an older idea, 322 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 1: but he definitely believes in it. He thinks it's the future, 323 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: and that's why he helped co found this company. They 324 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: are pretty recent they were launched in and we wanted 325 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: to share with everybody some stuff from their website. From 326 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: the proverbial uh matador's mouth. Here, we are creating the 327 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: future of brain interfaces, building devices and now that will 328 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: help people with paralysis and inventing new technologies that will 329 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: expand our abilities, our community and our world, says everybody 330 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: in the audience. Yeah uh, and they they have a 331 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: pretty focused mission at this point. Their initial goal now 332 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: is to quote help people with paralysis to regain independence 333 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: through the control of computers and mobile devices. Our devices, 334 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: they say, are designed to give people the ability to 335 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: communicate more easily via text or speech synthesis, to follow 336 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: their curiosity on the web, or to express their creativity 337 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: through photography, art, or writing apps. And in a in 338 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: an earlier press conference about this, which will we'll touch 339 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: on in a bit, uh Musk made a lot of 340 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: other claims. So he's saying, like, you know, this is 341 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: the blue sky portion of this sort of progress. He's saying, like, 342 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, we could even be restored from physical movement 343 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: because we could repair uh neurological injuries. We could maybe 344 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: help people remove their fear of heights when they're rock 345 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: climbing or something, or you could hear a symphony in 346 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: your head. You wouldn't have to go to uh, you 347 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't have to type YouTube dot com into a keyboard 348 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: with your hands like a caveman. But never again. And 349 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: the source of all this, the technology that they're working 350 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: on is something called the link link as in like 351 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: the protagonist of Legend of Zelda. At this point, matt 352 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: I proposed that we try to be utopian just for 353 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: a second. It would be amazing, It will be astonishing. 354 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: Can you imagine? There are people with paralysis problems around 355 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: the world, and in many ways they don't have the opportunities. 356 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: There is not as easy for them to do things 357 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: that everybody likes to do. So this could free people 358 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: in a very real way. I think agreed, agreed so 359 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: much so. And if you've ever known anyone, or if 360 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: you're listening now and you yourself has a have a 361 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: medical condition that reduces or removes your mobility, you of 362 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: course understand the and brain surgery has been used before, 363 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: or electrical stimulation of the brain has been used with 364 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: proven efficacy for some other medical conditions. But here's what 365 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: you have to go through if you want to be 366 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: on board with this. The link itself, you'll see it 367 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: described as a chip about the size of a quarter. 368 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: It's really more of a system. There are these ultra 369 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: thin probes that are inserted into your brain, and they're 370 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: inserted via what is often called a sewing machine looking robe. 371 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: But that might make some people uncomfortable. This is invasive 372 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: brain surgery. You might squig some people out. But again, 373 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: what price would you put your own cocktnitive freedom at right? 374 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: This is sacrifice is worth it for people. The actual 375 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: thing called the link, that chip is small size of 376 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: the quarter, maybe a silver dollar, and it compresses and 377 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: wirelessly transmits signals recorded from those electrodes. It's sort of 378 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: decoding them, you know, the same way that are in 379 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: a way similar to the research done by scientists who 380 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: learn to decipher images. When you're thinking about an image, 381 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: there's been research that allows scientists to print out that image. 382 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: It's amazing. What did everybody just think of? I'm so curious. Man, 383 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: write to us and let you know, let us know 384 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: what you thought of. When you realize your thoughts may 385 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: not be as secret and safe as you had hoped. 386 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: M Yeah, you don't want to hear mine. Nope. Okay, 387 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: so nope, not yet, not until not until it must 388 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: be released via my the hole they cut in my skull. 389 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: Let's talk about how this device gets into you, because 390 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: when when you go on the neuralink website neurolink dot 391 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: com slash approach, that's where I would send you to 392 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: right now if you want to follow along when you 393 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: read it on a web page, like exactly the process 394 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: of getting this thing into your body, and it makes 395 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: me want to run away, like really really badly. Yeah, 396 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: it's tied to an app. Should point that out part 397 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: of the system, right. That's and weirdly enough, because I 398 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: am so I am general m okay with human experimentation 399 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: if it is consenting and it's ethical. Um, and I'm 400 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: a fan of self experimentation as well. But oddly enough, 401 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: the surgery doesn't bother me in itself. It's the connection 402 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: to the cloud, and it's the fact that it's already 403 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: tied to an app. I get it, I hear you. 404 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: But we're talking about drilling a hole in everybody's skull 405 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: that's going to use this trepen nation. Yeah, at the 406 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: top two not like not like a thing in the 407 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: at the back of you know, at the back of 408 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: your neck, right the way it's always described the matrix FI. Yeah, 409 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: it's it's at the top as the a little one 410 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: of those one of those hats kids used to wear, 411 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: like the fifties where they have the little de loop 412 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: spin spinner on them. Yeah, they're just called spinners. It 413 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: looks like you can stick a spinner in there. Um. Yeah, 414 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: the ways described on the website. I'm just gonna jump 415 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: to her really quickly. It shows you the link. It's 416 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: got this cool futuristic looking thing that as you described it, Ben, 417 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: It's got the neural threads that are flexible and very tiny. 418 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: It's got a charger. Oh nice, you can charge it. Uh. 419 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: And then you see where it says precision Automated neurosurgery, 420 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: And it's the whole thing where they just insert it 421 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: into your brain and they're gonna let an automated process 422 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 1: do it. So a surgeon is gonna assist. Sure, sure, 423 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: the same way that somebody assist in testing an autonomous 424 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: driving vehicle. Right, they're sitting there in case something goes wrong. 425 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: But in in neural links defense, these micro threads, you'll 426 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: hear them called being called ultra Then and so on. 427 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: They cannot be inserted by human hands. Humans don't have 428 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: the dexterity to insert them, right, so they kind of 429 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: have to They had to use this approach, Uh, the 430 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: link that we're describing, folks in that. I love that 431 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: you pointing this out. The really the best way to 432 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: get a sense of this is to look at neuralink 433 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: dot com slash approach. You'll see they break down the 434 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: layers of the chip or the link they're calling it, 435 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: because it contains these chips. Um, it's about as thick 436 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: as the human skull, and l Musk says it can 437 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: pop onto the surface of the brain through that drilled 438 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: hole that you just describe, Matt, and then you can 439 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: seal it with superglue what do they call it bioglue 440 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,479 Speaker 1: or bio bio basis or something. Yeah. Yeah, And and 441 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: of course extensive research has been done to make sure 442 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: that that won't have any the glue won't have any 443 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: damaging effect X on the mind. But that's our that's 444 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: what it does seem to have. Yeah. But okay, so yes, 445 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: obviously we're not great at being utopian. That's all the 446 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: show is about. So now we have to ask why 447 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: are the critics so very worried. Here's where it gets crazy. 448 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: Oh man, oh folks, friends and neighbors. Uh, robots and humans, 449 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: whomever's tuning in, fellow conspiracy realist. All people are concerned, 450 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: you know some Weirdly enough, one of the concerns they 451 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: got me which I should have been expecting because this 452 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: happens all the time scientists working in these fields. Obviously, Uh, 453 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: neural link is not the only actor in this field. 454 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: Scientists working in this area. We're kind of disappointed. They 455 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: were like, Okay, sounds good. Can you do it? Uh? 456 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: The mask The m i T Tech view out of 457 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: Massachusetts Institute Technology didn't really hold back their punches at 458 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: one of these presentations. I think it's the one with 459 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: the pigs. Must describes the one of these devices as 460 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: quote a fitbit for your skull, And a lot of 461 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: neuroscientists didn't say you've gone too far this time a loan. 462 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: They said this is the best, highly speculative. Even in 463 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,479 Speaker 1: the article from m i T they even called it 464 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: neuroscience theater, and they pointed out big problems. They were saying, like, Okay, 465 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: the brain is a living thing, how can you build 466 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: these like one of the big concerns with any surgery, 467 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: especially surgery that implants something, is how to avoid the 468 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: body rejecting it? Right? And then how do you how 469 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: do you make the wires last? You know what I mean? 470 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: On the inside of a brain? Also, should humans be uh, 471 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: should humans be putting out mods for a thing they 472 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: don't yet fully understand. I don't like to do, but 473 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: make Denero face face was so good, right there, it's 474 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: Denero face. Dude. I don't know, you know, No, you 475 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: don't know. But it's such a great point. Just that 476 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: first one that you made been whatever components you insert 477 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: into somebody's brain in this complicated surgery that you need 478 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: an automated robotic system to perform. Ah, what's the life 479 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: of those components? I mean you were talking about sensitive 480 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: materials that are very tiny. Uh, it's no. It should 481 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: be no surprise that the mind is a continually changing structure. 482 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: It is. It is changing, especially depending on when you 483 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: get a neuralink installed, which is a whole other issue 484 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: that we haven't even thought about. If you consider lace 485 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: I surgery and early on when lasic surgery became a thing, 486 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: and I think this is still true. Look, I'm no scientists, 487 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: no doctor. But if you get Lacey too early, if 488 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: you as your eyes are continuing to develop, then you 489 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: may find that you have vision problems after the corrective surgery, 490 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: or you know, other issues that arise. It's one of 491 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: those things where if you get a neuro implant early on, 492 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: as your your skull is still forming, your your brain 493 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: is literally still physically growing. Um, what happens. I don't 494 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: like it, but but you're making a great point. So 495 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: there may be not just an ethical quandary here about 496 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: age of consent, but there may be a physiological Goldilock zone. Right, 497 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what happens. Maybe what happens. Yeah, yeah, 498 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: it's a very good point. We know. However, while m 499 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: I T Is right, it seems I'm based to us 500 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: in saying that these problems will take years to solve 501 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: in just terms of like the material science and how 502 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: how you measure the safety of it before putting it 503 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: into people. Um, the fact of the matter is that 504 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 1: the foundational principles are there. The first the first cochlear implant, 505 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: cochlear implant that you know allows people to hear, that 506 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: dates back to nine and that is an implant, and 507 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: then researchers started placing probes in the brains of paralyzed 508 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: people in the late nine nineties to establish that, yes, 509 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: with these probes, people could send signals through the power 510 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: of thought alone to move robot arms, to move computer cursors. 511 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: And we've seen other experiments, many other experiments actually with 512 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: animals like mice can get these visual implants that let 513 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: them see infrared. That's cool. That's something dark would definitely 514 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: pay attention to if you're looking for funding. Uh, and 515 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: then they're they're they're just the examples go on and 516 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,439 Speaker 1: on and on. Well, just one more, there's experimentation using 517 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: instead of electricity to stimulate and read electrochemical signals in 518 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: the brain. Their attempts to use what was it like 519 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: fiber optic light to interface with the brain in a 520 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: different way, and some of that is very promising. You 521 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 1: can see, you can read about and see some experimentation 522 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: done on mice specifically, like the White Lab mice with 523 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: that type of neurosurgery. Yeah, exactly. And it's important to say, 524 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: like what the doubters, or call them the haters if 525 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: you must. What the haters are saying is we know 526 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: the possibilities are there, but you're being a big glib 527 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,959 Speaker 1: about just how closer far away we are from from 528 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: this actually rolling out in a scalable way, which Neuralink 529 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: talks about on their websites scalable brain machine interfaces or 530 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: b M I, the other b M I not body 531 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: mass index. There's also I think a lot of people 532 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: in the world of tech get burned by the idea 533 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: of vapor wear, which our pal Jonathan Strickland has talked 534 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: about at length. Products either like maybe it turns out 535 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: to be all sound and fury signify nothing, or maybe 536 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 1: something does come out a real product, real software, etcetera, 537 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: but it falls short of what people felt they were promised. 538 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean, this happens everything. This happens with video games, 539 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: right No man Sky, cyberpunk, you know, oh for sure. 540 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: I think right now the most applicable version of this 541 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: would be the Thoranos machines, the blood testing machines that 542 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 1: were compact and revolutionary and didn't actually work. Yep, yep. 543 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: That is probably the most infamous recent one. Good call, 544 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: and we know that the claims may by neural Link 545 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: are making positive ways to be clear at this time, 546 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: if you were listening to this episode, where as like 547 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: the same year, we've recorded in February twenty th Oh good, okay, 548 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: in the right timeline. I'm in the right timeline, okay, 549 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: because I think you are. But I don't know if 550 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: anyone else is experience experiencing this. But since we've had 551 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: this conversation, I'm having sensations at the top of my skull, 552 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: like weird tingly sensations as though my neural link that 553 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: I had installed sometime in the future is I'm having 554 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: ghost neural link. I don't know. I don't know how 555 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: to describe this. That's kind of cool. I mean, it's 556 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: cool cool for me to hear because it's happening to you. 557 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: Uh No, Now I can't think about it because I'll 558 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: feel it too. And I guarantee you, folks, um Matt 559 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: may have just hacked your mind because will probably also 560 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: be very conscious of your tactile sensations at the tippy 561 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: top of your of your skull. Uh you know what 562 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: it is. It's the pressure from the headphones I'm wearing 563 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: is directly on the spot where I imagine it would 564 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: go in. Yeah, that's all. That's fine, because we're we 565 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: recorded with headphones. So yeah, that's it. No, now I 566 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: feel it, great, great, awesome. So so at this time, 567 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: while we're recording this, in this timeline February, you cannot 568 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: buy a neural link. A neural link. You can't buy 569 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: something that does all of these things because it doesn't 570 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 1: quite exist yet. But the research is ongoing, and that 571 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: leads us to another controversy. Like Jose Delgado, like Professor Delgado, 572 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: they started with animals, a couple of different kinds of animals, pigs, primates. 573 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: There's a official statement that they issued. Well, we'll get 574 00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: to that and say here's what you need to know. 575 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: So animal experimentation always been a controversial subject, mainly because 576 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: animals do not possess the ability to consent. They don't 577 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: have informed consent. And in this presentation, a lot of 578 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,720 Speaker 1: musk introduces the public to three pigs to show off 579 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: the latest link prototype. He also held up version of 580 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: the so a machine robot they're calling it, which you know, 581 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: you put on your head and then you can just 582 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: think yourself into the Internet. Now imagine that in the metaverse. 583 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: By the way, check out that episode. Uh to be clear, 584 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 1: that's the machine that puts the threads into your brain. Yes, yeah, yes, 585 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: that that is the that is what threads the cognitive needle, now, 586 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,439 Speaker 1: the or the neurological needle, I should say. Now, the 587 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: implant that Neurrolink is testing on on pigs has one 588 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: thousand channels, and the thinking is that that means it's 589 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: able to read from a similar number of neurons one 590 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,280 Speaker 1: thousand neurons. And this is very much a work in progress. 591 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: Everybody at new or Link is confirming this. Ala Musk said. Essentially, 592 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: so we want to increase that by a factor of 593 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: a hundred, then a by a factor of a thousand, 594 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: and by factor of ten thousand to read more completely 595 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: from ultimately the human brain. People were mad about this, 596 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: they said various nonprofits pet up group called PCRM, the 597 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. They said that this research 598 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: was causing extreme suffering in the test subjects who quote 599 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: had their brains mutilated and shoddy experiments and were left 600 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 1: to suffer and die. That's bad press, man, not a 601 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: good look. Yeah, and they're they're not wrong. There was 602 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: information that's come to light comes from the institution, the 603 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,280 Speaker 1: school that was taking part in in these experimentations with neuralink, 604 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: and there's some stuff that we're going to learn about 605 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: that was happening that is um disturbing to say the least, 606 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: even for someone who wouldn't consider themselves a full animal 607 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 1: rights advocate. Yeah, I mean some of these it's almost 608 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: s op at this point standard operating procedure for these 609 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: kinds of experiments to begin on cadavers rather than on 610 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: live animals and neuralink. In their official statement, which is 611 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: available online at their blog, I don't want to say 612 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,760 Speaker 1: they clapped back. What what they were doing is trying 613 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: to from their perspective at context to what they were doing. 614 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: But in adding that context, do you see how some 615 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: of the sausage is made? They said. In this type 616 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 1: of medical research, novel surgeries are typically performed first in 617 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: animal cadavers and then later in term and old procedures. 618 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 1: Cadavers are deceased animals who have been humanely euthanized due 619 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: to either a VETS decision for medical concern or they've 620 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: been euthanized as part of a quote previous unrelated research study. 621 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: And then terminal procedure, which the really controversial ones terminal 622 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:26,359 Speaker 1: procedure is euthanizing an animal under an aesthetic after the 623 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 1: completion of a surgical procedure. And that's that's why. The 624 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: way they say that is they're not just picking random 625 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: animals either. What they're doing is consulting with a veterinary 626 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: staff that essentially tells them, look, this animal is healthy 627 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: enough to have go under anesthesia once and probably survive, 628 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: but due to some pre existing medical condition, we don't 629 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: know if we can bring them back. So this their mind, 630 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: this is a great or good thing, because ultimately they 631 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 1: say it's more ethical for us to do these terminal 632 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: procedures so that the animal doesn't suffer after it, just 633 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,320 Speaker 1: in case whatever they're testing has an unexpected side effect 634 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: or consequence, which I can see. I can see the 635 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: reasoning behind that. No, I know, I can too. There's 636 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: an article that you posted been from news channel eight 637 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: I think it's eight on your Side from Tampa, Florida 638 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: and uh in there it describes some of the information 639 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: that was brought to light when some of these groups 640 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: that you described began looking into neuralinks activities, and there 641 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: is just some there's some disturbing stuff in here. Some 642 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,800 Speaker 1: of it has to do with that bioglue that we mentioned. 643 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: Before where it's kind of a it's an experimental product, 644 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: and it has been shown a couple of times to 645 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: have prop thems when it interacts or is applied to 646 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 1: neural tissue or to bring tissue and other tissues. And 647 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: in this case, it apparently, at least according to some 648 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: of the materials, it had a negative effect on some 649 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: of these the macaque the Reese's monkeys that were tested 650 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: on experimental poe uh. And there's some other issues where 651 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 1: there just appears to have been i mean, like talking 652 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 1: about this ben, but getting a Reese's macaque monkey to 653 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: sit in a chair while and restrain its head while 654 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: this type of surgical procedure is happening, and then while 655 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,800 Speaker 1: experiments are being done, you know, to get the monkey 656 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: to actually control something with its mind and just sit 657 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 1: there and do that and focus on it. It It apparently, 658 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 1: according to the information here from UC Davis, it required 659 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 1: strapping these monkeys down into chairs for like five hours 660 00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: at a time and then sometimes restraining their head in 661 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: such a way that they had to like install something 662 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,439 Speaker 1: on their head. And that's a primate man, and it's 663 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: that it's pretty grizzly, even though it's done in the 664 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,439 Speaker 1: name of science to you know, for a noble goal, 665 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: at least on paper. It's rough. Yeah, agreed, and and 666 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: they this a lot of that comes from their partnership 667 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: with U. C. Davis, who is supplying some of the 668 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 1: research animals for their part neuralink. Just to give you 669 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 1: an excerpt of their statement, they said, this is the 670 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: part that they emphasized when they went on Twitter and 671 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 1: posted this. They said, animals at neuralink are respected and 672 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,360 Speaker 1: honored by our team. Without proper context, information from medical 673 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: records and study data can be misleading. In this blog post, 674 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 1: we want to provide an accurate statement of neuralinks commitment 675 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: to animal welfare. And you can read the whole thing, 676 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,360 Speaker 1: but there's no denying it's a pickle like nobody digs 677 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,240 Speaker 1: needless suffering, or at least nobody should dig needless suffering. 678 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 1: And but on the other hand, on the on the 679 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: other side of the brain machine interface, there's no denying 680 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,760 Speaker 1: that animal experimentation has led to the improvement of human lives. 681 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: It's even saved human lives in some cases. So what's 682 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,320 Speaker 1: to be done. We're gonna take a pause for a 683 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors, and then we'll dive into even 684 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: murkier water. Okay, So currently, just to recap two of 685 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: the big concerns hinge on the ethical treatment of animals 686 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,440 Speaker 1: one and figuring out whether or not Neurallink can actually 687 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 1: follow through with what they would like to do, which 688 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,800 Speaker 1: is ambitious and is world changing, would be a watershed 689 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: moment for humanity. But those current worries pale in comparison 690 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: to possible future problems that people keep bringing up. And 691 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,720 Speaker 1: this is this is some of the really scary stuff. 692 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: So this is one of the first ones that occurred 693 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,799 Speaker 1: to me, Matt. I don't know if there's the first 694 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 1: thing you thought of, But let's say you're an early adopter. 695 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,720 Speaker 1: This is on the market, and you're an early adopter. 696 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,719 Speaker 1: You get the very first commercially available link. You pay 697 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: an arm and a leg for it. But you're the 698 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: coolest guy at parties. Uh, you are not allowed to 699 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: play trivia because it's very easy for you just to 700 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: just think of the answer. You might not be allowed 701 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 1: on people's WiFi. You know, there's a lot of stuff, 702 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,880 Speaker 1: but you're not allowed to walk outside if it's raining. Okay, 703 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: well yeah, okay, Well I guess I have it's raining, etcetera. 704 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:41,240 Speaker 1: There's right, there's a CME. It's over. But your productivities 705 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,200 Speaker 1: skyrockets because now you can work at the speed of 706 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: your thoughts. You're not bottlenecked by your hands or or 707 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 1: a keyboard or a you know, traditional machine interface. But 708 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,319 Speaker 1: then the next generation of the link comes out, and 709 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,960 Speaker 1: then the next generation of the link comes out, and 710 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,360 Speaker 1: the next comes out. Because corporations also ongoing science, you 711 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,600 Speaker 1: can update your software for a while, but what happens 712 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 1: if your hardware becomes obsolete? What happens if you are 713 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 1: a version one point o person living in a version 714 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 1: four point five world. Uh. To their credit, Musk and 715 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:25,280 Speaker 1: Co anticipate this and they have envisioned the link system, 716 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,480 Speaker 1: the probes at least being easily removed or replaced as needed. 717 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,799 Speaker 1: But sure, there's yeah, there's no hard proof of that 718 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 1: happening successfully in humans just yet and there you know how, Yeah, 719 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 1: but you know it would work, And just imagine this, 720 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 1: that would work. The threads would stay, The threads go 721 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 1: in and they stay forever long that lifetime is the 722 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,840 Speaker 1: little the link itself that pops into that hole in 723 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 1: your skull. That's what gets switched out and changed Um, 724 00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,120 Speaker 1: that makes sense because I think about using the first 725 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 1: cell phone you ever owned, if you're in your thirties 726 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: or older. Um, you know, imagine doing just trying to 727 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,840 Speaker 1: create a text message when you have to actually type 728 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 1: in the numbers, you know a certain number of times. Yes, uh, 729 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: just just just send the message, Hey, I'll be home 730 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,719 Speaker 1: in ten minutes. Like how long that takes and what 731 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,800 Speaker 1: you have to do, the inputs you have to achieve, 732 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,880 Speaker 1: and then how quickly and easily you can do that 733 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,560 Speaker 1: now with your phone that you have. Probably the difference 734 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,279 Speaker 1: between those two actions. Wow, there's just such a gap there. 735 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,440 Speaker 1: I wonder if it will be that way. Everything I've 736 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,880 Speaker 1: seen online looks as though you'll be you'll be inputting 737 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: like one character at a time. Right. This isn't a 738 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 1: I think a word and then it gets put into 739 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,880 Speaker 1: the machine. It's I think about moving a cursor inside 740 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,719 Speaker 1: of an operating system, and now I can select an F, 741 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,240 Speaker 1: Now I can select a U and so on. Um, sorry, 742 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 1: more spellings. I don't know message, but it's like furthermore 743 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,840 Speaker 1: second paragraph. Um. Yeah, and that's that's one for everybody 744 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: who remembers trying to enter a sophisticated text on like 745 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 1: a Nokia flip phone. You know, that's wild, But that's 746 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,560 Speaker 1: just one concern, and it is being anticipated supposedly. But secondly, 747 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 1: and this is the one that should bother all the 748 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,759 Speaker 1: people in the audience who are called or consider themselves paranoid, 749 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:46,080 Speaker 1: especially I T professionals hacking forced behavior, encountering ads, or 750 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: not being allowed to some parts of the Internet or 751 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,520 Speaker 1: the cloud because you haven't purchased the right package plan, 752 00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: like what if cable tiered pricing comes into play. These 753 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 1: are just hypothetical, so there's been no declaration of this. 754 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,200 Speaker 1: But the thing is not to be too black mirror. 755 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,239 Speaker 1: You can turn off television. You can if you can't 756 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 1: turn off the television you're stuck in the waiting room. 757 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 1: You can close your eyes when an AD comes on, 758 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,520 Speaker 1: even put your hands in your ear and just la 759 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 1: la la. You can't do that when it's going directly 760 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,560 Speaker 1: to your brain unless there's another mechanism that allows you 761 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,120 Speaker 1: to hit that switch. And then where you know you 762 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: can do you know you can do what you could 763 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:35,239 Speaker 1: let the battery die. That's because yeah, yeah, because a neuralink. 764 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,319 Speaker 1: You know. One of the reasons I think some of 765 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,800 Speaker 1: those writers at m I T were making connections to 766 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,359 Speaker 1: the fitbit, because if you've ever had one of those, 767 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,880 Speaker 1: are used one of those, one of the one of 768 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,719 Speaker 1: the ways you can charge many of them is you 769 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:52,880 Speaker 1: just place it on this magnetic uh doc that charges 770 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 1: it in that way. You just attach it to it 771 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 1: basically through magnet. And I think that's what the charging 772 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,160 Speaker 1: system looks like. You you plug something into a USB 773 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,319 Speaker 1: and then it kind of is applied to the Maybe 774 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, that's what it looks like on their website. Um, 775 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,319 Speaker 1: if you just chose not to charge the thing, then 776 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,799 Speaker 1: maybe you're okay or would that be debilitating to your 777 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, right exactly? That's I mean, that's that's a 778 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,319 Speaker 1: huge problem. And then who watches the watchman? You know? 779 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,239 Speaker 1: We have to ask about the motivations, biases, and policies 780 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,920 Speaker 1: of the people running this system, of the for profit 781 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,560 Speaker 1: entities running a system like this owning the door h 782 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,120 Speaker 1: And by the way, other other groups are there are 783 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,280 Speaker 1: competitors in this field. Facebook is working on something similar 784 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,839 Speaker 1: and so on the shifting. Yeah, I thought you'd be 785 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,359 Speaker 1: particularly excited about that. Um So, like anybody who has 786 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,400 Speaker 1: been a part of a large social media or banking hack. 787 00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,120 Speaker 1: They're almost normalized. Now. You know that's scary enough, But 788 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 1: think about this. This is we're gonna take you to 789 00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:07,440 Speaker 1: a horror movie for a second. What if you're just 790 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,400 Speaker 1: hanging out, you and Matt and Doc and Mission Control Nolman, 791 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,600 Speaker 1: we're all just hanging out, and then somebody starts gibbering, 792 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,760 Speaker 1: appear to be moving jerkily and seizing, and you realize 793 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,959 Speaker 1: it's not glass alalia that they're encountering this person. There's 794 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:32,080 Speaker 1: no knowledge of Russian or you know whatever, any language. Yeah, Mandarin, 795 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 1: they have no knowledge. What if we have no knowledge us? Okay, 796 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,320 Speaker 1: so we'll go with Russian and we're going topical. What 797 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,680 Speaker 1: if they just start spouting like Russian catchphrases in propaganda. 798 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,359 Speaker 1: It would be like being possessed. It would be like 799 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,560 Speaker 1: watching one of your friends get possessed. And we don't 800 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,640 Speaker 1: know what kind of damage a hacked system could do 801 00:53:54,760 --> 00:54:00,120 Speaker 1: to your brain. Remember anything with an online connection and 802 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,360 Speaker 1: theoretically be hacked. You don't have the air gap of 803 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,640 Speaker 1: the headphones or the keyboard. What what do you do? 804 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,400 Speaker 1: How do you do? I guarantee you this is a 805 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,799 Speaker 1: huge um, a huge focus of research for people in 806 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 1: this field, I'm certain the only question is can the 807 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:27,120 Speaker 1: system send input into the body and cause the body 808 00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:32,400 Speaker 1: to do things or is it just the the brain 809 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,959 Speaker 1: functioning the way it would to move a body part 810 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 1: or thinking about moving a body part to then send 811 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,800 Speaker 1: signals out like right, can singles go into the neuralink 812 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,799 Speaker 1: and cause the body to do something or not? And 813 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,880 Speaker 1: right now I don't think that's possible. But we're talking 814 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:53,680 Speaker 1: about the future versions, right, the four point five, et cetera. Yeah, 815 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,440 Speaker 1: we're talking about way way in the future too, but 816 00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,640 Speaker 1: not as far in the future as you might like 817 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,960 Speaker 1: to think. Because if I'm trying and failing yet again 818 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,759 Speaker 1: to be utopian, there is a cool flip side to that, 819 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 1: which is, you know, you're at a dance party, you know, 820 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,920 Speaker 1: you want to impress some girl or some guy and 821 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,920 Speaker 1: making eyes and you're like, damn it, I don't know 822 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,520 Speaker 1: the dougie, I don't know how to square dance or whatever, 823 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:29,239 Speaker 1: and then you yes, okay, okay, sorry, I just know 824 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,800 Speaker 1: the one with the backpack kid. That's all I know. Yeah, 825 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,279 Speaker 1: the dougie is uh oh, I can't remember what era 826 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,120 Speaker 1: it's in, Okay, but yes, the dougie is a real thing. 827 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,960 Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, if if that technology is possible, 828 00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,960 Speaker 1: it's feasible that you could say, you know, Alexa or 829 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:51,080 Speaker 1: Sirie or Google or whatever, or a LAN download Dougie. 830 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,960 Speaker 1: The next thing, you know, you just flip on the 831 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:58,239 Speaker 1: switch and you're doing it right. That's cool. That's a 832 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:04,239 Speaker 1: superpower basically. But if that, if that I tried and 833 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,319 Speaker 1: failed to be that would be a pleasant No, that 834 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:12,799 Speaker 1: was not the I would want to be standing. But 835 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,520 Speaker 1: but then third, you know, we we don't want to 836 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,479 Speaker 1: go too long on this because these are all hypothetical things, 837 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,480 Speaker 1: but the things ethicists are rightly concerned about, and security 838 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:27,560 Speaker 1: experts concerned about him, people in the field of any 839 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,560 Speaker 1: of the related academic and medical fields are concerned, and 840 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,840 Speaker 1: rightly so. I just read a fantastic sci fi novel 841 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,960 Speaker 1: emmy I mentioned earlier called bare Head. I don't want 842 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,719 Speaker 1: to spoil it too much, but in part of that 843 00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:48,120 Speaker 1: it addresses the danger of large scale non consensual downloading 844 00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:53,160 Speaker 1: or uploading. So, for instance, like a state level and 845 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,560 Speaker 1: there's like the nuclear version of a hack. But let's 846 00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:00,000 Speaker 1: say let's say there's a developed or very tech forward 847 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,560 Speaker 1: country that has rolled out some kind of incentive or 848 00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,719 Speaker 1: even a mandate, which would be scary for everybody to 849 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 1: have something like this, something that is the descendant of 850 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:21,040 Speaker 1: something like the neural link. Then they get hacked and everybody. 851 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,160 Speaker 1: The funny version would be all of a sudden, everybody 852 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,880 Speaker 1: in Antwerp gets rick rolled at the same time. But 853 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,040 Speaker 1: that's that's immensely dangerous, you know, because there are other 854 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:37,040 Speaker 1: things that could happen. What happens if a virus of 855 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,240 Speaker 1: some sort goes into play, it would be a mimetic virus. 856 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,800 Speaker 1: You know. Um, this is this is all sci fi stuff, 857 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,520 Speaker 1: but it is possible now. And that's the question I 858 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,760 Speaker 1: think we have to end on that is, how will 859 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,960 Speaker 1: this affect humanity? We don't really know. We have a 860 00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:58,920 Speaker 1: lot of really smart people who are thinking through the 861 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:03,000 Speaker 1: possibilities and the scenarios. But the one thing that sticks 862 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,480 Speaker 1: with me is the human brain is built where a 863 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,760 Speaker 1: radically different environment from the one in which most people 864 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,640 Speaker 1: live today. When's the last time you went foraging? Right, 865 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,720 Speaker 1: not not for fun, not not because you're curious about 866 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,600 Speaker 1: the mushrooms in your local area, but because you you 867 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,520 Speaker 1: had to be a hunter gatherer. When's the last time 868 00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,280 Speaker 1: that happened to you. It's been a while for me. 869 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,840 Speaker 1: It's not a normal part of most people's lives if 870 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,000 Speaker 1: they live in a dense Serban environment and the majority 871 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,520 Speaker 1: of human beings live in urban environments. What I'm saying is, 872 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:43,840 Speaker 1: it's like, imagine you are somehow attaching a satellite link 873 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,920 Speaker 1: to an Atari. How does that affect the attari? Is 874 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:53,000 Speaker 1: it still in Atari? What is it? Is this? Are 875 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, are we getting towards that singularity that we've 876 00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:02,760 Speaker 1: talked about so often reference and recommendation to everybody. The 877 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,240 Speaker 1: old Uh, it's fairly old at this point. Series called 878 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 1: D S X Evolution, I believe. Yeah, that's the one 879 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,959 Speaker 1: that I've got over there. Um, the whole series deals 880 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,480 Speaker 1: with these kinds of questions that you're opposing, Ben, and 881 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:23,640 Speaker 1: it's it's worth it. It's a great series. Yeah, okay, yeah, 882 00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,920 Speaker 1: because I've I think I've read the lower actually played 883 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,800 Speaker 1: the game, which I'm guilty of often. But but yes, 884 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,640 Speaker 1: like this is not to be alarm is these are 885 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,120 Speaker 1: things that people need to be aware of. And I 886 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:41,200 Speaker 1: did find one scare quote that I wanted to bring out, 887 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:46,440 Speaker 1: which comes from a philosopher and cognitive psychologist named Susan Schneider. 888 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,680 Speaker 1: She said merging human brains, not specifically with the neural link, 889 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,480 Speaker 1: but with the AI that would eventually accompany it. She said, 890 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,840 Speaker 1: it would be quote suicide for the human mind. Those 891 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,880 Speaker 1: are strong worry some words. Um, Now, what we are 892 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,720 Speaker 1: doing again is we're teetering on a precipice. We're looking 893 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,240 Speaker 1: at a horizon and trying to guess what's on the 894 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,959 Speaker 1: edge or what's on the other side. And it's kind 895 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,760 Speaker 1: of a won't We won't know for sure until we 896 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:21,760 Speaker 1: get their situation because this kind of thing, this way 897 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:27,840 Speaker 1: has not been done at this scale before. You know what, Yeah, 898 01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,360 Speaker 1: you know what. The more I think about it and 899 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,560 Speaker 1: talk about it, the more I can feel my future neuralink, 900 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,800 Speaker 1: the ghosts somehow of it fourth dimensionally. But also it 901 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:46,040 Speaker 1: does feel like an amazing thing that we're going to need. 902 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:51,000 Speaker 1: I think we need a way to interact differently with technology, 903 01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:58,160 Speaker 1: you know, more closely, more um streamlined. It's just I 904 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,280 Speaker 1: don't know, Maybe it's just our generation isn't ready for it. 905 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm not ready for it, like I will adopt it 906 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:09,400 Speaker 1: my my my son's generation. I think, um, I could 907 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:14,640 Speaker 1: see that growing up Internet native or cloud native. Um, yeah, absolutely, yeah, 908 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:19,000 Speaker 1: and I and I do think something like this is inevitable. 909 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:24,240 Speaker 1: It's absolutely true. If civilization continues, this research will continue 910 01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:29,320 Speaker 1: because the potential there is so massive. But how how 911 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:37,920 Speaker 1: best to realize the positive potential while avoiding the negative potential? Right, 912 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,840 Speaker 1: the negative potential consequences, It just don't combine it with 913 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:49,880 Speaker 1: meta Well that's gonna happen. But that's that's suicide for 914 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:55,480 Speaker 1: the human mind right there that I'm trying. Wow. Yeah, 915 01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,160 Speaker 1: So we have taken this. We we've highlighted some of 916 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,440 Speaker 1: the concerns, We've highlighted some of the enormous potential. We 917 01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,360 Speaker 1: wanted to end on pointing out that something like this 918 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:10,640 Speaker 1: is highly likely to be on the way in some regard. Um, 919 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:15,840 Speaker 1: we want to know your thoughts because we can't quite 920 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,360 Speaker 1: yet get in your head to pull them from your mind. 921 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,760 Speaker 1: So you're gonna have to tell us. Use your hands, 922 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:27,920 Speaker 1: use your wonderful voices, use your eyes, let us know. 923 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,760 Speaker 1: Do you agree with the idea that this is inevitable? 924 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:37,800 Speaker 1: Do you believe that the potential benefits outweighed the potential risk. 925 01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if we're I don't know if here 926 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:42,760 Speaker 1: on something much you know, I don't know if we're 927 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,800 Speaker 1: sure about that second one, but we are sure about 928 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,280 Speaker 1: that first one. We try to be easy to find 929 01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,840 Speaker 1: online Facebook, Instagram, longtime listeners, you know the jam hop 930 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,880 Speaker 1: on over to Here's where it gets crazy. Tell us 931 01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:58,080 Speaker 1: what's on your mind, and if you like my esteemed 932 01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:02,160 Speaker 1: colleague real as the dangerous of sipping the social needs 933 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,240 Speaker 1: and you don't want to constantly be plugged into a 934 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:09,240 Speaker 1: social media platform, never fear. There's several other ways you 935 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,600 Speaker 1: could contact us. One of them is a good old telephone. 936 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,919 Speaker 1: That's right, Use your phone and dial one eight three 937 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,840 Speaker 1: three st d w y t K. You'll hear a 938 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,600 Speaker 1: familiar voice and perhaps a song, and then you will 939 01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,520 Speaker 1: have three minutes. Please give yourself a cool nickname and 940 01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,520 Speaker 1: tell us whether or not we can use your voice 941 01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:34,120 Speaker 1: and message on the air. Then again three minutes. Do 942 01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,000 Speaker 1: with it what you will. Bonus points if you can 943 01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,600 Speaker 1: make us all chuckle, that's probably our favorite thing. Many 944 01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,600 Speaker 1: of you have been doing that, by the way, and 945 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,520 Speaker 1: I haven't called many of you back, but kudos shoutouts 946 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,440 Speaker 1: to to all of you who are being hilarious on 947 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:53,000 Speaker 1: our voicemail right now. Um oh, here's another thing just 948 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,280 Speaker 1: before we jump to the last part. Please do make 949 01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,360 Speaker 1: sure if you're listening to this show and you like 950 01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,240 Speaker 1: it for one reason or another and you want to 951 01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,360 Speaker 1: continue listening, do a couple of things for us. Take 952 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,880 Speaker 1: take the time. Please. We we don't have you know, 953 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,680 Speaker 1: a Patreon or the kind of thing that you can 954 01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,080 Speaker 1: support the show in some way like that. 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