1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on Giants 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: dot Com. 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: We Go, Here, we Go on the Giants Bubble Let's Go, 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: part of the Giants podcast network. The Giants have their 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 2: initial roster heading into the twenty twenty three regular season. 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 2: The final cutdown time in day was Tuesday at four o'clock, 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 2: and the Giants got their roster down to comply with 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: NFL rules. I am John Schmelkes Paulatino to break it 9 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: all down for you. When we get to the end 10 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 2: of this, you might notice that the Giants are not 11 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: at fifty three. They are at fifty two. I will 12 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: refer to it as the fifty three man roster anyway, 13 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: otherwise I will mentally confuse myself. So just keep that 14 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: in mind, and we'll see what the Giants to the 15 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: next day or two to get up to fifty three 16 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,319 Speaker 2: when other roster moves become official. And of course this 17 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 2: roster will of course also change more likely than not 18 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: between now in the first regular season game game, as 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: other teams wave players cut players, the Giants might bring 20 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: somebody in and other roster machinations. 21 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: Could change potential ir guys. 22 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: That too could change what this roster looks like once 23 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: you get to that game against Dallas, all right, quarterback 24 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: poll will go put position by position here, Daniel Jones 25 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: and Tyrod Taylor on the roster. Tommy Devello did not 26 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: make it. We'll see about the practice squad that'll also 27 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: be announced over the next couple of days after all 28 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: these guys go through the waiver claim process. I imagine, 29 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: given all the work he's done in his knowledge of 30 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: the system, that he could be a practice squad option. 31 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 2: We'll see. We don't know that for sure, obviously, but 32 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 2: no surprise that Jones and Taylor are on. 33 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: No, not at all, because Tyrod Taylor, by most accounts, 34 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: is one of the top ten backups, maybe even higher 35 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: in the National Football League, So the Giants were not 36 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: going to move him out of the number two slot. 37 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: And quite frankly, it's rare these days that an NFL 38 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: team will keep a third active quarterback on the fifty three, 39 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: So there really wasn't a whole lot of room for 40 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: de Vitel squeeze on there, despite the fact that he 41 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: had three good preseason games. 42 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: John, Yeah, he's certainly made his case. He did the 43 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: best he could to earn his way on but again, 44 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: it's a numbers game, and they decided that they'd rather 45 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: stick with two for now. Even though now teams, if 46 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: you do have that third quarterback on the roster, you 47 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: can use that emergency corps to back as your forty 48 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: seventh player or ninth depending on how you work, it 49 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: could be on game days. So let's go to running 50 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: back Paul. They end up keeping four. The three that 51 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: were not surprising at all really where Sakuon Barkley, Eric Gray, 52 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: and Matt Brada. They end up keeping Gary Brightwell, even 53 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: though he hasn't practiced in two or three weeks with 54 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: the injury. He hasn't played in the last two preseason games, 55 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 2: but he's on the final, final fifty three man roster 56 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: and a big reason of that is that he's a 57 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: core special teams. 58 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: Player, no question initial fifty three. Let's clarify that, John, 59 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: because you know with Bright, with bright will not being 60 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: available the last few weeks, he would be one of 61 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: those candidates that we talked about a big Blue kickoff 62 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: live the other day, where after the initial fifty three 63 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: he could wind up going to the injured reserve list, 64 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: where you only have to miss a minimum of four 65 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: weeks instead of missing the entire season. So Jayshawn Corbin, 66 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: who did not make the initial fifty three, is a 67 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: guy that you mentioned quite honestly in the last couple 68 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: of weeks as some more special team snaps. It may 69 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: not be a shocker if he somehow resurfaces and bright well, 70 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: depending upon his medical situation, could. 71 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 2: Be an IR candidate, and we just don't know what 72 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: his injury situation is. Rest I think we'll keep an 73 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: eye and as we move forward here, let's go to 74 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: wide receiver. The Giants keep six, which was kind of 75 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: the anticipation. Wando Raminson activated off the physically unable to 76 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: perform list. He fills one of those spots. Now heading 77 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: into week one, we'll see if he's ready to go 78 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: against Dallas or not. That remains to be seen joining 79 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: him again. None of these should be really big surprises. 80 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: Isaiah Hodgins, Darius Slayton, Paris Campbell, Jalen Hyatt, and then 81 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: Sterling Shepard returning from a torn acl last year. He 82 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: had previously returned from a torn achilles the previous season. 83 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: He is on your initial fifty three man roster. Really 84 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: good to see, Paul, But one veteran that is not 85 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: in this list that I just gave you is Cole Beasley. 86 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: Cole Beasley had such a terrific camp, but had some 87 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: type of leg injury over the course of the last 88 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: week and a half or so, and consequently it put 89 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: him a little bit in a gray area. I still 90 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: think he performed so well during the offseason. I would 91 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: expect that there's a very good chance he winds up 92 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: back in the building sometime very soon, but for the moment, 93 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't make the initial fifty three. One thing about 94 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: Wandel Robinson, he said that all along he was shooting 95 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: for a week one on this regular season schedule, and 96 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: he knows that even though he's been activated, he's going 97 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 1: to be ramped up slowly. John there's still not going 98 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: to rush him. There's a chance that even if he's 99 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: in uniform against Dallas Week one, that he might be 100 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: inactive because they need to be careful with him. 101 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 2: And I'll just add this to Paul. Usually, when you 102 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: get to a situation where you're keeping six wide receiver 103 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: there on your roster, one of these guys is going 104 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: to be an active on game days. Good luck with 105 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: these six guys and their skills and ability to figuring 106 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 2: out which guy you want to make an active on 107 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: game there's and maybe they'll have all six active. We'll 108 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: see how they end up working that, but that'll be 109 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: a tough decision each week as he decided who's active 110 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: and who's inactive on game day, given all these six 111 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: are healthy on any given week, Yeah, let's go to 112 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: the tight end spot. Darren Waller, Daniel Bellinger, Lawrence Cager 113 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 2: all on the fifty three man roster. Tommy Sweeney was 114 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: placed on the reserve non footoligible injury list, so we 115 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: obviously he had that medical situation a week ago. We 116 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 2: don't have much clarity on that. Clearly not ready to 117 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: play football at this point, so he was added to 118 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 2: that list. And Chris Myrick was also had the injury 119 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: with the hands, so he did not make the final 120 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: fifty the initial fifty three man roster either. Right. 121 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: Lawrence Cager, the guy who you know comes in after 122 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: being cut by the Jets last year, had some flashes 123 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: in some very sporadic time, but really really solidified himself 124 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: with a very strong offseason. John I thought he played 125 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: very well, caught the ball well, ran routes well. It was. 126 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: It was really to me not surprising to see him 127 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: make it. 128 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: Ryan Jones, the other healthy tight end, he also did 129 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: not make the initial fifty three. Perhaps you also want 130 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: you will probably want to have a tight end on 131 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 2: your practice squad as the only healthy one remaining from 132 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: that group. He might end up being a practice one potentially, 133 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: you never know. We'll see how that goes in again. 134 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: That'll be announced over the next couple of days as 135 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: players go through waivers and teams put their practice squads together. Remember, 136 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: the veterans with more than four year of experience do 137 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: not need to go through waivers, so the other players 138 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: all do. Just keep that in mind as you see 139 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: teams put their practice squads together. 140 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: Over the next couple years or more. 141 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: Correct, let's go to offensive tackle. Paul will separate the 142 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: online that way, just three Andrew Thomas, Evan Neil, and 143 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: Matt Partt. Tyree Phillips, the guy that we thought could 144 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: be in the mix in this spot did not make 145 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: the roster. And then of course you had Corey Cunningham 146 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: was let go, as was Julian Davenport. 147 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: Hamilton was waved injured the other day. 148 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: And Devery Hamilton too. Why Davis was waved injured as well. 149 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: He of course up that ankle sprain. 150 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: So really a guard, but he. 151 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 2: Ha' played tackle in the preseason, which that's correct. Yes, 152 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: So that's kind of where we stood in terms of 153 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: offensive tackle. 154 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: You know, Chylie Phillips had been dinged up lately. We 155 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: again don't know the specifics of his injury, but he 156 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: came back to practice the other day, had some reps. 157 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: So right now, playing the last preseason he did not, 158 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: and they only have three tackles on this initial fifty three. 159 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: That's very surprising unless you believe that Marcus mckeithan, who 160 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: has not played tackle since he's been here this year 161 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: now last year he took a few snaps, but this 162 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: year and he also did not play tackle in college. 163 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: Yea, No, he's exclusively, exclusively a guard unless they think 164 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: that he is the quote fourth tackle, the emergency tackle 165 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: behind the number three guy, Matthew Pert. I gotta think 166 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: that might be a primary spot to see some movement 167 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: in the next week. 168 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: A zoo to another guy that if you go back 169 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: to college, maybe he had very limited action attack a lot, 170 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: but he hasn't done really anything. No at the Giants 171 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: So that bring us to the interior offensive line, Paul, 172 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: So let's go there, Yeah, John, Michael Schmids, Mark Lewinsky, 173 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: josh A Zudu been reticent, Marcus McKeithen, and then Shane Lemue, 174 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: I know, put a big smile on your face and 175 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: mine as well. To see Shane on this first group 176 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: of fifty three. 177 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: Players finally having a fully healthy body of work to 178 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: put out on the field. Lem You played extremely well 179 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: at guard in two of the three preseason games against Carolina. 180 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: He was okay, but the snaps at center, I'm sure 181 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: he would like to have had those back. The point 182 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: is his tape at guard was very solid in preseason 183 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: games one and three, and he's a bulldog type of 184 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: guy that you know. Bobby Johnson, the offensive line coach, likes. 185 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: The least surprising of this group, Graham Gano, Jamie Gill 186 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: and Casey Cryder, the three special teamers, not Sila, not 187 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 2: at all. 188 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: And Graham Gano, my goodness, two fifty plus yard field 189 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: goals the other day it's the Jets and rule the spare. 190 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty eight and fifty seven, just booming the ball 191 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: all over the plays, really really unbelievable seeing those kicks 192 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: and how they just you know, basically looked effortless. And 193 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,359 Speaker 2: he's you know, if he's an older kicker too, and unbelievable, 194 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: really good to watch the camer Lions. The other long 195 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: snapper in camp was let go. 196 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: He was waved. 197 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: Just one of the guys that was still here but 198 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: did not make the fifty three man roster. All right, 199 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: let's go to defense, Paul. We'll start off front with 200 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: the big boys. We talked about the potential of seven, 201 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: they only keep six. Ryder Anderson was kind of the 202 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 2: one in that group that was let go of the 203 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: big guys, and then some of the vets that were 204 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 2: let go to like Brandon Bryant up front, Kobe Smith upfront. 205 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: Those are some of the vets that were let go 206 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: on that defensive lineup. The guys that made it Dexter Lawrence, 207 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: Leonard Williams, Nacho A'shawn Robinson, Jordan Riley, and then DJ Davidson. Well, 208 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: I know we had a kind of debate about him 209 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: on BBK a little bit earlier in the week. The 210 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: front office and coaching staff much like him enough for 211 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: a guy that hasn't played a snap really of NFL 212 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: football yet, but they've seen enough in practice or they 213 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,599 Speaker 2: think he can help the team, so he's on the 214 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: roster along with rookie Jordan Riley. 215 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: Davidson and Ryder Anderson were both in a real gray 216 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: area because they had missed so much time Dude injury, 217 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: John and so we really did not know, as we 218 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: discussed on Big Blue Kickoff Live, how to great those guys, 219 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: there was just so little tape available. And ultimately the 220 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: draft choice, the former draft choice Davidson, who was selected 221 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: last season fifth round. Right, Yes, wins out over the 222 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: former undrafted rookie free agent Ryan Anderson Ryder Anderson. That's 223 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: not to say that Anderson won't be back, but at 224 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: least for the moment, he's the odd man out. What 225 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: can you say? I think that was one of the 226 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: tough positions to deal with. Now. 227 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: Important to note he was not waved injured. He was 228 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: just waved correct, which means that's a guy you can 229 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: bring back right away on the practice squad. 230 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: Waved injured you have to wait a couple of months. 231 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: If he doesn't get cleaned by somebody, the Giants can 232 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: bring him back right away if they so choose. All right, 233 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: let's go to the edge position. Paul Keavon Thibadeau as 234 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: he's o jalari jahad Ward and then the only other player, 235 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: and I'll throw him into this category even though he's 236 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: not really a full time edge player, but for our 237 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: conversation this is worhaal. Include him because he's gonna play 238 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: a bunch of different spots as a Simmins, and those 239 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: are really the only true guys that will rush off 240 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: the edge on this group. We'll see if somebody else 241 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: might gets added over the last next couple of days, 242 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: if a transaction gets completed successfully, we'll see if that happens. 243 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: But as of now, that's all you got outside. 244 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: The two names that obviously stick out like a sore thumb, 245 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: Timan Fox and O'Shane Ziminez, guys who had done some 246 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: things while they were here in previous seasons. Fox of course, 247 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: was a rookie last year. And you know, I think 248 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: that one surprises me a little more. 249 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too a lot, because willm Bartindale and Brian 250 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: Dabile have both said very nice things about him. 251 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: When he bet asked, you know, he showed, he showed 252 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: in his short time that he's got something not just 253 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: with the pass rush but also stout against the run, strong. 254 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: Players, good special team or two, no question sound around. 255 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: So that one is probably a bigger puzzler because Ziminez 256 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: has been here longer, which would have given him wore 257 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: of a chance to shine, and yet his play had 258 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: been inconsistent, seemed to do better last season. But for 259 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: the moment, and again I say for the moment they're 260 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: not here, it would not surprise me if either one 261 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: of those two guys or both of them while the 262 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: back of the building in some capacity very soon. 263 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: Yes, totally agree. Inside linebackers Bobby o'karake, Mike McFadden, Carter Coughlin, 264 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: and Cam Brown. The fans might be waiting for me 265 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: to continue, and you. 266 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: Know where I'm going. 267 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: But Darien Beavers is not on this roster, which look, 268 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: we spoke about him on BBKL earlier in the week 269 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: and somebody asked about him, and I think all of 270 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: us had him on our fifty three man roster. Sure 271 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: we did point out that I said, I believe my 272 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: quote was closer to the roster bubble than probably a 273 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: lot of people think, and it was apparently closer than 274 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: I thought as well, because he is not here, and 275 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: I guess he just didn't show enough coming off that 276 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 2: injury last year and practice any games to find the 277 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: way onto the roster. And frankly, I think it was 278 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: the special team's ability of Carter Cofflin and Cam Brown 279 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 2: that probably was the deciding factor there. 280 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 281 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: By the way, quarter Coffin also did a good job 282 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 2: on defense in the preseason as well. Remember he's changed 283 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 2: into a new position over the last couple of years, 284 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: and I think he's coming into his own a little bit. Yeah. 285 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: Two things. Number one, there's no question that Carter Coughlin 286 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: showed a lot more in the defensive side of his 287 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: game than he had ever shown before during his previous 288 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: time he were with the Giants. 289 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: Well, this is really the first time he really had 290 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 2: was full time inside linebacker for full off season. 291 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 1: They had changed him from an edge guy to an 292 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: inside guy and said, okay, just work there. This is 293 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: one of those cases where if you focus a guy 294 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: in one spot, maybe you can really polish him up 295 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: and get something more out of him than what you 296 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: might have thought originally. And I think Carter Coughlin probably 297 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: exceeded expectations in that regard Cam Brown, special teams guy. 298 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: You know how I've been talking about special teams for months. 299 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: John this particular position group, if you will, smells of 300 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 1: the Giants knowing that they needed to address special. 301 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: Teams onlinebackers is always a core special team without a doubt. 302 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: And Cam Brown, who in my opinion, was certainly deep 303 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: on the depth chart defensively has to be here primarily. 304 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: Because of his special team's capabilities. Because the Giants understand 305 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: that their specials during the preseason left something to be 306 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: desired and they did not want to lose any player 307 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: who might be able to add something to that unit. 308 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 2: Deontay Johnson also did not make it. He was the 309 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: undrafted free agent out of Toledo. I don't again, I 310 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: don't know what the team's thinking, but I would think 311 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: he could be a practice squad potential guy. 312 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: I would think potentially. Yeah, he had a really good 313 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: second half in Detroit. 314 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. And then you have Ray Wilbourn, who was the 315 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: veteran that they brought in the offseason. He did not 316 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: make the roster either. 317 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Another guy who I mentioned about because of special 318 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: teams and perhaps he is another guy who will boomerang 319 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: and make it back into the building. I'm not sure, 320 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: but I will say this, in the short time he 321 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: was here with the Giants a week and a half 322 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: or so, he didn't exactly stand out and make me 323 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: the great plays on specials. And sometimes if you've only 324 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: got a short window to show your stuff, you better, 325 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, really really shine out. And maybe he just 326 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: didn't do enough. 327 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: You need defensive backs. We got defensive backs. Yeah, there's 328 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: eleven of them. Let's start with the cornerback position here. 329 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: Dori Jackson, Deontay Banks, Trey Hawkins, Quotell Flat, Darnay Holmes 330 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: makes the roster, and then Nick McLeod as well, who's 331 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: kind of a safety corner hybrid. But I'll include him 332 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: in the corner group for now just because that's where 333 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: he played for the Giants last year primarily. So this 334 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: is your six, Paul. That means that Amani Overwaria did 335 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: not make the roster, and somebody else I know we 336 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: were talking about did not make it that was in 337 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: final consideration. But those are the six that are on. 338 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: Well, they popped Aaron Robinson. Yeah, let's let's throw that 339 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: out there too, because that's incredibly important. This is a 340 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: guy who would have been in the corner mix, but 341 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: he's popped for now, which means he has to miss 342 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: at least four weeks. McCain coming off the concussion, they 343 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: must feel like that's not going to be long term. Well, 344 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: he's in the safety group, you know, because he's in 345 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: the safety group. And then the other thing injury wise, 346 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: we look at Jervarius Owens who had a hammy the 347 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: other day, and we look at Nick McLeod, who we 348 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: do not know anything about his injury status, and he 349 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: hasn't been available for several weeks. 350 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: So he got her before the join practice is yes, yes. 351 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: So that's quite a long time to be out, and 352 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: yet we still don't know what's going on with him. 353 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: But the Giants have decided he's on the initial fifty three. 354 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: I would imagine since he's been out as long as 355 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: he has, he would be a potential IR candidate in 356 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: the next twenty four hours. That's simply a guess. Because 357 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: he didn't see any preseason snaps at all. That's what 358 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: made this group at eleven a little surprising to me. 359 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: I think we'll see some mathematical changes coming up with 360 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: the secondary. 361 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: And COLDO Flat's been dealing with an injury too. He 362 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: is not plastic a couple of weeks, and Jason Pennock's 363 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: been banged up too, but they have played preseason snaps 364 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 2: and those don't all these guys, I believe Brian Dable, 365 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: he don't think he did specifically with Owens, but the 366 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: other guys, he's he did another if they've missed a 367 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: lot of time. Right, he got two weeks until Dallas. 368 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: You hope that they might feel to be back and 369 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 2: be ready to go. And you mentioned a couple of 370 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: safeties already, just to give the fans the whole group. 371 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 2: David McKinney, Jason Pinnock, Dame Belton, and you mentioned Bobby 372 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: McCain and your various owens were on as well. 373 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, bottom line is the Giants had a 374 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: handful of guys because of injury status towards the end 375 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: of the preseason. They had to make a few sticky 376 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: decisions which again may clarify themselves over the course of 377 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: the next thirty six hours. 378 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 2: They will and as your roster folks again were one short. 379 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 2: But who knows, maybe we'll have a transaction that gets 380 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: completedicalities and. 381 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: Paperwork that need to be squared. 382 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: Over the next couple of days, we'll see how that goes, 383 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 2: and then we'll track what other changes are made. Once 384 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: waiver claims are in and you can sign free agents 385 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 2: and replace guys on the roster. As Paul's mentioned a 386 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: couple times during this things can change as well, and 387 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 2: of course stay tuned the giants dot Com, the giants 388 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: social media channels as you track those roster changes, and 389 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: then of course as the Giants put their practice squad 390 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 2: together as well, we'll try to have that information for 391 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: you right here on giants dot com and all of 392 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: our podcast platforms. For Paul Tatino, I'm John Schmelk. The 393 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: Giants have their initial fifty three man roster sort of, 394 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 2: and then we'll continue to track. Thanks for being with us. 395 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time.