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Speaker 1: You're listening the DraftKings Network.

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Speaker 2: The John Nick and Kenny Florian Podcast, John Annik and

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Speaker 2: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 1: I love them. I can't get enough of them.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear that both the next big.

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Speaker 1: Job there Koktuffian, brek Fers, Rock Suck.

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Speaker 4: I believe there are a couple of absolutely self involvedst Here.

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Speaker 2: Are your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: That's all.

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Speaker 5: Live on a Sunday, No Less February eighteenth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 5: It is episode four sixty eight of the Anak and

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Speaker 5: Florian Podcast presented by Draft Kings. You can find us

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Speaker 5: on the DraftKings Network, DraftKings YouTube channel, Anik and Florian

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Speaker 5: Podcast YouTube channel as well. But we're very excited to

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Speaker 5: be live with you. Our UFC two ninety eight recap

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Speaker 5: Beckons Longo coming up in about thirty minutes. So Ken

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Speaker 5: Flow doesn't really ever let me hear his Boston accent.

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Speaker 5: You just let it go on the pre show meeting there.

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Speaker 5: I'd like you to bring that to the airwaves a

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Speaker 5: little bit more if you could. I mean, what's the inspiration.

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Speaker 5: Seems like you're in a good mood tonight.

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Speaker 1: A Italian kid, you're in the bean kid, What are

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Speaker 1: you doing? Dude?

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Speaker 5: We're here at the fucking Famont Copley Plaza right on

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Speaker 5: Saint James Avenue, Boston, Massachusetts. And yes, it's a really

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Speaker 5: nice historic Boston hotel right here in the hub of

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Speaker 5: the goddamn universe. Right Roomzell could be read don Hanjay

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Speaker 5: right place a fucking pit. I mean this carpet looks

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Speaker 5: like nineteen seventy eight, the year I was born. So

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Speaker 5: the Boston Homer Hotel it is not. But it's nice

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Speaker 5: to be here. I'm here to shoot a DraftKings commercial

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Speaker 5: tomorrow on the holiday.

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Speaker 1: How's by you, kid? How's by you? Everything is good man?

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Speaker 1: A little chilly over here, but so much to talk about. Man,

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Speaker 1: what a card? Just insane?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we really can't waste a lot of time, so

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Speaker 5: let us get into it. And if you are in

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Speaker 5: Spain or in Georgia, you got a UFC champion now,

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Speaker 5: Ilia Toputia, the fifth on disputed UFC featherweight champion in

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Speaker 5: promotional history. And he does it with about as many

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Speaker 5: style points as you could produce. Canflow right. The knockout

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Speaker 5: with a faithful right hand comes at three point thirty

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Speaker 5: two of round two. We got a new champion one

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Speaker 5: hundred and forty five pounds on incredible result here on

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Speaker 5: Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think a lot of people saw

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Speaker 1: that coming. When you have a guy like Alexander Volkanowski

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Speaker 1: who has been so dominant, I get so many other

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Speaker 1: great champions, right Jose Aldo, Max Holloway, These are guys

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Speaker 1: that are absolute legends. In Volkanovski was able to go

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Speaker 1: out there unseat them, beat them, you know, whether its

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Speaker 1: rematches or whatever. He was able to prove that he

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Speaker 1: was one of the best pound for pound fighters in

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Speaker 1: the world. And you have this guy Ilio Toporia who

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Speaker 1: came in here extremely confident, and I think that it

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Speaker 1: took people by surprise, so much so that it took

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Speaker 1: Alexander Bolkonovsky by surprise. I think that, you know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: the mindset that we have going into certain fights as

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Speaker 1: a former fighter can either make us or break us.

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Speaker 1: And I think Volkanovsky went in there with the mindset

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Speaker 1: is saying, yeah, this guy, he's undefeated, but look what

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Speaker 1: I have done. I'm gonna go out there and teach

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Speaker 1: this kid a lesson. And I think that was just

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Speaker 1: the wrong mindset. I don't know, if that's every like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that has everything to do with the

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Speaker 1: like why he lost. I don't think that's the sole reason. However,

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Speaker 1: it certainly plays a part. When you are going to battle,

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Speaker 1: you have to take it extremely serious, like this person

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Speaker 1: is trying to take my land. This person is trying

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Speaker 1: to go out there and kill me. And because of that,

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Speaker 1: I need to go out there and not treat this

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Speaker 1: guy as just some nuisance, right, I need to go

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Speaker 1: out there and destroy this man and be ready for war.

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Speaker 1: That's the kind of mindset you need to have for

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Speaker 1: each and every championship fight in the UFC. It is

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Speaker 1: a murderer's row at one hundred and forty five pounds,

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Speaker 1: you know. And you look at throughout history, whether it

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Speaker 1: It's going to be an easy war. No, it does

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Speaker 1: not matter. Everybody is a threat out there, I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, for me, I just didn't like the look

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Speaker 1: Why would you do that? I don't know. I love

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Speaker 1: your opening.

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Speaker 5: I am going to go into our chat threat and

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Speaker 5: just read something this is from Kenny Florian can't go

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Speaker 5: into a fight against Ilia Topotia looking to teach him

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Speaker 5: a lesson to do that means he's not a threat.

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Speaker 5: You got to go in there to fucking win and

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Speaker 5: be ready to die. Didn't think that was Volk's mentality,

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Speaker 5: way too casual, and I agree with a lot of that, Kenny.

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Speaker 5: So did you hear me on the broadcast? And I've

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Speaker 5: said this before, but say, like, man, like, why am

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Speaker 5: And certainly that dubtails with previous Volkanovsky visuals that we

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Speaker 5: But largely, I agree that this whole narrative was that

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Speaker 5: And yet reciprocally it was maybe in some part whatever percentage,

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Speaker 5: volk wasn't acknowledging the speed and power thread in front

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Speaker 5: of him, the kid who has been doing Brazilian jiu

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Speaker 5: Greco Roman wrestling since seven, which would give him twenty

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Speaker 5: looking like James Bond slash Kenny Floor and just an

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Speaker 5: angles to this, but I want to stay on Bolkanovski

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Speaker 5: if we could. These are comments from vulcan Flow as

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Speaker 1: So if that you would be powerful.

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Speaker 6: Obviously we knew not to be on the on the

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Speaker 6: he did you know, he did a great job there.

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Speaker 6: So there's there's not much I can say other than

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Speaker 6: I want that rematch, you know, so it's a that's

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Speaker 6: something that you know needs needs to happen. So you know,

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Speaker 6: been raining chair for how long, you know, been a

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Speaker 3: I've done it in Vinchia for a long time. So

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Speaker 3: I think I deserve that and it's going to be

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Cody. So we're going to table the rematch

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Speaker 5: for a second. I want to stay on this fight.

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Speaker 5: So biggest area of danger I would think against Ilia

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Speaker 5: Topulia would be on the feet. And I know this

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Speaker 5: fight was early, but Volkanovsky, I think, did win round

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Speaker 5: some success in round two, which maybe is neither here

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Speaker 5: nor there, But to what extent did you expect Volkanovsky

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Speaker 5: to wrestle versus maybe Toputia to wrestle right like? It

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Speaker 5: didn't seem like Iliya was going to be wrestling necessarily,

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Speaker 5: martial arts. Did you think Volkanovsky would have mixed in

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Speaker 1: I would hope so, John. I think that sometimes when

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Speaker 1: the problem though. It was the way he was pulling back.

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Speaker 1: It was a shot, it was a right hand that

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Speaker 1: I think that's what was so impressive. I want to

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Speaker 1: get into, like, you know, five things that really I

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Speaker 1: if you're going against a very difficult adversary, it needs

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Speaker 1: the tattoos. He looks like a bad guy. He looks

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Speaker 1: this kid, the things that he says, he knows exactly

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Speaker 1: This is as prepared of a fighter that I have

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Speaker 5: John Dude, I sat down with Iliatilpulia last December, and

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Speaker 5: I've spent a lot of time with him just in

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Speaker 5: certainly he can lean into cockiness as opposed to confidence.

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Speaker 5: Maybe arrogance is a better word in cockiness, but I

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Speaker 5: Right he shows up on time, like I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I guess maybe him taking the belt. You know, even

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Speaker 5: his pre fight photo shoot and certainly doesn't have to

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Speaker 5: change the Instagram bio. But a few things before we

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Speaker 5: get into your five. We have some sound famili at

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Speaker 5: Tolpotia as well. But one inconvenient truth about mixed martial arts,

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Speaker 5: maybe different than other sports, is that you realize your

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Speaker 5: biggest paydays oftentimes towards the end of your career. And like,

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Speaker 5: if you're a major League baseball player, you're probably playing

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Speaker 5: for the veteran minimum in year fifteen or sixteen. So

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Speaker 5: staying active for guys like Alexander Volkanowski and Israel Adessaanyak

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Speaker 5: can be wildly beneficial as far as your bank account

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Speaker 5: is concerned, and those guys, at least Izzy I know

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Speaker 5: isn't necessarily tied to a singular result the way maybe

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Speaker 5: turning a fuck around quickly after concussive losses, right he

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Speaker 1: But yes, man, the guy was really.

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Speaker 5: Masterfully put yes, and I think execution and focus and

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Speaker 1: If I could call it that, he's a promoter's dream

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Speaker 5: And I believe I heard our COO Laurence Epstein suggests

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Speaker 5: I think Volk's fan base is such that even if

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Speaker 1: All of these skills. He said.

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Speaker 7: So he's such a good person, you know, and to

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Speaker 5: See right, another reason to just really admire this kid,

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Speaker 5: I know a lot of people get upset when I

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he can't win the fight.

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Speaker 5: I think he has a great chance to potentially win

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Speaker 1: It could listen. I think it's certainly the most profitable

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Speaker 1: the more options he has, and I think the more

433
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Speaker 1: attention he's going to bring. If you have four or five, six,

434
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 1: seven eight fighters talking about you all the time, they're

435
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: doing your marketing for you. Yeah, this guy's brilliant. But

436
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: at the same.

437
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Speaker 5: Time, he'say on that though for one second ahead, because

438
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 5: part of his issue is guys like Yahia Rodriguez and

439
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 5: especially Brian Ortega have not been that active. Right, Like,

440
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 5: if Max Holloway winner lose, that's the guy who I

441
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 5: think certainly could be there if Bulk couldn't be there

442
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 5: to fight to PORTI I think it's gonna be Holloway,

443
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 5: or it is gonna be Volkanovski, but MOVs or Employe

444
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 5: might be like the more difficult fight potentially, right, I

445
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 5: don't know if it is or not, right, Like, I

446
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 5: just like that the new champion has an appetite for

447
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 5: the challenges that might be the most difficult, even if

448
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 5: they're not the biggest name.

449
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Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah no. And at that press conference, I know

450
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: he was kind of you know, dissing Employe of a

451
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: little bit, saying this guy hasn't finished anybody. Maybe if

452
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: he goes out there and finishes somebody, we could do that.

453
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 1: And I think that's not only you know, a good

454
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 1: thing for for Ely himself to go all right, this

455
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: guy is, you know, proving himself to be elite now,

456
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: but also for the UFC. I mean, I think it's

457
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: the way We've talked about this a lot. As far

458
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Speaker 1: as your highlight video, how are you building it? Do

459
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: you want it? You know, you being on top of guys,

460
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, scrambling controlling them, or do you want a

461
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: bunch of knockout highlight reels to promote the fight? OIAF

462
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: just doesn't have that, if we're being honest. So, you know,

463
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: I think Volkanovsky makes the most amount of sense. And

464
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: here's the other problem. So many times the same things

465
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: that make us so good at what we do is

466
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: also can be our crutch can be our weakness. And

467
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: with Volkanovsky, this guy isn't gonna say no to a fight,

468
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: you know. And if he says it, yeah, I'll fight him.

469
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: But he's got to turn around. Three months and now

470
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: we have two back to back knockouts, one against Mahashev

471
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: another one here and you know the fact that Toporia

472
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: basically solve Volkanovski in some ways that is best in

473
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 1: round one knows exactly how to kind of get it done. Now,

474
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: not to say Volkanovsky can't make certain adjustments, but you know,

475
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Speaker 1: I think for Toporia, he's fighting Volkanovsky at an opportune

476
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: time for him. I mean, he's coming off of two

477
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Speaker 1: knockout losses in a row. I think it's volkan it's

478
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: t Volkanovski's best interest to actually hang low, take it easy,

479
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: let him fight someone else. Yes, right, recover from this

480
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: this damn knockout and come back better. But Volkanovski is

481
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: that fighter that isn't gonna say no to an opportunity.

482
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 1: And also in this game, he also probably understands this

483
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: might be your only shot. Right, Crazy things happen, you

484
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: can get injured, other things come into play, some other

485
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty five hunder comes in to make

486
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: things interesting. So right, I don't know, Well, we'll see, man,

487
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: that it's very very interesting what happened on Saturday night

488
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: with with this Toporia win.

489
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 5: Man, it is a tricky thing, but certainly for Alexander Volkanovsky,

490
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 5: you want to inject your name back into this equation, right,

491
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 5: even though you and I maybe think he should take

492
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 5: some time off in idle for a little bit, right,

493
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 5: But you just never know what could happen, uh, he

494
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 5: told us in the Fighter meeting. You know, I trained

495
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 5: as if Iliot Topoti was as good as he says

496
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 5: he is. And you know that Volkanovsky, even if he's

497
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 5: not always putting in one hundred percent of the right work, right,

498
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 5: he's always working, always working supremely hard. And as far

499
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 5: as his chances in a rematch, you know, perhaps they

500
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 5: would try to game plan a little bit differently and

501
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 5: maybe try to mix things up with the wrestling early on.

502
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 5: I really do believe the most intriguing matchup right now

503
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 5: is Max Holloway and Delia Topulia. And I know Max

504
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 5: Holloway has business with Justin Gaigie for the BMF belt

505
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 5: at UFC three hundred, right, But you talk about just

506
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 5: the gravity of a rematch, right, Topoitia versus Volkanovski two

507
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 5: heaven forbid in Spain, it's fucking enormous, right, But how

508
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 5: big is Topoitia versus Max Holloway?

509
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: It would be huge? A man, I think that it

510
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: would not be the best of matchups for Max Holloway

511
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: in my opinion, at this stage of the game, just

512
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: because I think that Max, you know, listen, if he's

513
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: gonna get hit with some of the shots that he

514
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: got hit with against the Korean Zombie and some of

515
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: the previous shots, and he's going in there against Justin

516
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: Gaicheef and he goes in there and win, I have

517
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: to assume he's gonna eat at least a couple of

518
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: shots from that man, Justin Gaegee, right, And those are like,

519
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: even if you don't get knocked out, those are things

520
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: that are going to scramble your brain. Max Holloway has

521
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: been in the octagon for a very long time, and

522
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: these aren't just like casual Peter Patter fight. Halloway is

523
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: a warrior and he's been in a lot of wars,

524
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: and to eat a shot against someone like Topouria, I'm

525
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: not sure how well it would go. You know, Halloway

526
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: isn't gonna quit, right, that's for sure, but his body

527
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: may do that before his mind. And I think that

528
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: this is a fight that Halloway should take, but it's

529
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: one that she should take with extreme caution. And I

530
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: know he doesn't do a whole lot of sparring these

531
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: days because of his past and all that stuff. Halloway

532
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: is a legend who would deserve that shot, but I

533
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: just don't like that. Stylistically, at this stage of the game,

534
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: Topouria is at his absolute best right now. Actually, I

535
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: don't think he's actually at his best. I think he's

536
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: got a lot more room to run as a mixed

537
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: martial artist. That's what makes it so scary. But man,

538
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: he's not short on confidence, he's not short on skill

539
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: going out there and decimating someone like a Volkanovski. I

540
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: just don't see a whole lot of tough matchups for him.

541
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: If Loyev, as you said, is a very interesting one

542
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: because here's a guy that can certainly take him out

543
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: of his element with his wrestling and control, but I

544
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: don't see that happening for the next one. So no,

545
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: I agree. It's amazing.

546
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 5: I agree, And part of it for me is that

547
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 5: I Ofloyev and Tilporia were booked to fight each other

548
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two and it didn't happen, So you know,

549
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,239
Speaker 5: I feel like it's interesting from that standpoint. Would till

550
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 5: Poti at that point in time have gotten by Ivloyev,

551
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 5: and I think most of the fan base maybe would

552
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 5: suggest he would have Max Holloway right now is the

553
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 5: number one contender, and certainly if he beats Justin Yaechee,

554
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 5: it stands to reason that he would get a title

555
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 5: fight at fifty five and stay there. And he looks

556
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 5: fucking big and strong at our Q and A. I'll

557
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 5: tell you that. So yeah, here Rodriguez has fought for

558
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 5: the interim belt and won it and then he lost

559
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 5: to Volkanovski. Brian Ortega has fought for the belt as well.

560
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 5: Then you have Movsar Ivloyev. Arnold Allen right there, but

561
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 5: he lost recently to Movsar josh At Calvin Cater is

562
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 5: fighting al Jamain Sterling at UFC three hundred. Now, if

563
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 5: Al Joe submits Calvin Cater in round one, I don't

564
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 5: believe Al Jamain Sterling there's anything he can do to

565
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 5: get an immediate featherweight championship opportunity. With respect, Calvin Cator's

566
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 5: a Boston kid. I don't know if that helps him

567
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 5: or not. If he is able to knock Al Joe,

568
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 5: the former bantamweight champion out in round one. Does a

569
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 5: fight between Ilia Toputia and Calvin Cater makes sense. I'm

570
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 5: just not sure Cater's going to go from number eight

571
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 5: and leap Prague guys like ivloyev or the winner of

572
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 5: YAYI Rodriguez and Brian Ortega. And I know I'm being

573
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 5: a little bit long winded here, but yeah, he' Rodriguez

574
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 5: and Brian Ortega. How soon can they turn around after

575
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 5: what happens potentially violently between those two over twenty five

576
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 5: minutes right five round co Maine event next weekend. So

577
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 5: there are a lot of different possibilities I think at featherweight.

578
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 5: And then there's Sean O'Malley, and I am not a

579
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 5: fan of this equation at all. We sit here on

580
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 5: February eighteenth. Shan O'Malley has yet to defend his UFC

581
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 5: bantamweight championship. So if he beats Cheetoh in title defense,

582
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 5: number one, should Sean O'Malley be afforded the opportunity to

583
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 5: become a double champion. I would submit to you, with

584
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 5: respect to my boys, sugar, Sean, that no, the featherweight

585
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 5: cover is not bare. I would not do that.

586
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: What do you think? Yeah, my brain is scrambled with

587
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: all these one hundred and forty five options. You know,

588
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: all these options at one hundred and forty five pound

589
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: sewn you want to you want to inject a guy

590
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: from one hundred and thirty five pounds. I don't know.

591
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't. My god, you're giving me a headache. No, no,

592
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: I know, I know I'm joking, but dude, no, listen.

593
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting in a lot of ways. I

594
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: do not think that is something that should happen. But listen,

595
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: when you're a big name like in O'Malley and for Torporia,

596
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: being the larger man at one hundred and forty five pounds,

597
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean not No, don't think it's gonna happen for

598
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: the next one. But if you see a guy with

599
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: that kind of name and that kind of following, you're

600
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: gonna go start doing the math. I go, and I

601
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: can make this amount of money. Maybe, uh, But so

602
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: I listen, I think he's gonna try to take someone

603
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: else out at one hundred and forty five pounds, probably

604
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: Bolkanovski in a rematch at some point, and uh, and

605
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: then after that, who knows. But I did have al

606
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: Jamaine Sterling's name in here. I think that's interesting to

607
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: be just because Topuria does want some fresh blood, he

608
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: does want something you have, al Jamaine Sterling, you know,

609
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: one of the best bantamweight champions of all time. Now

610
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: come up to one hundred, one hundred and forty five pounds.

611
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: If he's able to get a doman win over Cater,

612
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: who knows, I would think, you know, if he has

613
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: maybe another probably would take another one after that, something dominant,

614
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: some some kind of finish. But uh yeah, dude, they're

615
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: just a whole lot of options for this man right now.

616
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Speaker 5: Incredible result at UFC two ninety eight. Congratulations to Illy

617
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 5: at Topuria. We will have plenty more on that with

618
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 5: Ray Longo. We are just getting going on our UFC

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Speaker 2: All right, is now time the Ray Long Minute.

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Speaker 7: That's what I want?

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Speaker 2: The Ray Long Minute. The John Nik and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: Podcast Celebration Sunday on the Ray Longo medaway, you're oh, congratulations,

651
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Speaker 5: can you fix your head room?

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Speaker 1: Please? Can you fix a shot a little bit? There

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Speaker 1: you go? Here you go?

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Speaker 5: Which I was in the home studio so I can

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Speaker 5: hit the applause.

656
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Speaker 3: But still we like this little uh what do you

657
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Speaker 3: call it? I like this new setup.

658
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: Sounds good, it looks great.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, this is big, big. We turn this down

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Speaker 3: a little bit. That would do. Guys. It's always good

661
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: coming back and winning.

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Speaker 1: No, oh my gosh, we're not doing as good as you.

663
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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, if you could. Yeah, just keep here your

665
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 5: head in front of that light. Right, yeah you go. So, Ray,

666
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 5: we just spoke on the phone, but I'm gonna say

667
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 5: a lot of what I said to you here to

668
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 5: sort of begin our conversation. Congratula fucking lations, Raymond. What

669
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 5: a monumental win ten in a row from a Rob

670
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Speaker 5: Dwalish Willie. If you have been following his entire UFC career,

671
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 5: you know he very easily could be twelve and zero

672
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 5: in the Ultimate Fighting Championship ten in a row, double

673
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 5: digit winning streak one hundred and thirty five pounds. Congratulations, man,

674
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 5: looks like he's going to get a championship fight day.

675
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 5: I believe Dana White said as much after the fact,

676
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 5: and to say he is overdue or richly deserving doesn't

677
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 5: even begin to describe it.

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Speaker 1: Well done, my man. Congratulations and well done to you guys.

679
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: Just yeah, I love you, guys.

680
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: Look about support? Who love you?

681
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 5: Who is in the whole week logo walks into the

682
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 5: fighter meeting wearing one of those undersaw John annack T shirts. Right,

683
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh god, this is definite support.

684
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, listen, man, you know what's crazy about

685
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 3: Morob You could see everything starting to align with his

686
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 3: personality on YouTube is absolutely phenomenal to me, because you know,

687
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: when the kid first walked into gym ten years ago,

688
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 3: he couldn't speak English. Now he's making videos and I'm

689
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: laughing at my ass off about him, so h and

690
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 3: it's going in conjunction with him winning and looking better

691
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 3: and getting more fans. And John will tell you at

692
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: that press conference deafening, deafening. I don't know if he

693
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 3: got the loudest Applaus probably voted, but he was right.

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00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 5: There all week, all week, fight night press conference, way

695
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 5: in official ceremonial he owned fight week.

696
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like he's aligned now with his the

697
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: way he's performing, with his personality, and you just, you know,

698
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: when you know the guy, you can't be more happy

699
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: for him. It's a guy that's been putting the work

700
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: in since day one, I mean, and making the adjustments

701
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: all along the way. I mean, the adjustments he's made

702
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: back from the days of the Ring of Combat and

703
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: some of his early fights is just even in the

704
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 3: UFC phenomenal. And he is a classic example of win

705
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 3: to learn, if that's the saying, because when he doesn't win,

706
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 3: he makes the corrections. Man, he goes back to the gym,

707
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: makes him and now he's on his way. Man, everything

708
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: seems to have aligned for him, and you couldn't be happier.

709
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: And I'm just you know, like as a coach, I

710
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: really I think I mentioned this to you, Joe, and

711
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: we spoke to me. This is going to go down

712
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 3: as one of the greatest human interest stories in MMA.

713
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 3: How these two guys formed a brotherhood and he didn't

714
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: succumb to all the bullshit. They didn't sell out for

715
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand, They put their friendship first. And now

716
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: everything's working out, and they had to take a lot

717
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: of shit for it. Al Joe got tortured over it.

718
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 3: Morob got torture. Whether they want to say it or not,

719
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 3: actions speak loud in the words, we don't have to

720
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: we don't have to hear it. We could see it.

721
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, look, al Joe held to

722
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: his word. He did. You know, I'm gonna say he

723
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: didn't have to move up. He wanted to move up.

724
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: He wants to see Marob get that shut. This is

725
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: a story that I think when you like if ESPN

726
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: did something or somebody that is absolutely fantastic and that'll

727
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: never happen again because it's hard to get two guys

728
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: that are willing to put their friendship before money. And

729
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: I'm loving loving it as a coach, loving it from

730
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 3: the culture of the gym, how people help each other.

731
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 3: And I don't think people will get that because you know,

732
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 3: al Joe really is responsible. You know, he really worked

733
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 3: his wrestling with I mean, you could ask Morob. It

734
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: doesn't it doesn't have to come from me, but they

735
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: it's It wasn't two guys in the same gym. It

736
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: was two guys every day in the same gym for

737
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 3: years and both. I mean, you guys Chiken, you know,

738
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Speaker 3: with teammates, even I'm sure these guys on the team

739
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: maybe might be rooting against another guy if they're in

740
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: the same weight cliss who knows. It's human nature. But

741
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 3: for these guys to hang tough like that the way

742
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: they did against really insurmountable odds. I applaud them. I

743
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 3: think it's something they'll carry with them for the rest

744
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: of the life. This isn't a long lived career, and

745
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 3: I think, to me, those are the important things in life,

746
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: and I think they're demonstrating it. And I couldn't be

747
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: happier to get all the winning and all of that

748
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: stuff that secondary. But they did a great job and

749
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: they're both getting what they wanted. Dal Jo was a

750
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: dominant bantam weight champ and now Morob's on the come up.

751
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 3: And even if it ended tomorrow, it's a great story, right.

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Speaker 1: I think what's most impressive about this fight was the

753
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: fact that may Rob beat Shudo, I think even easier

754
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: than al Jao beat him, right, I mean, just like

755
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: the pace that he puts on people, his ability to

756
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: come back after round one like that didn't even happen.

757
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: It's just unreal. Like Shudo was whipping on shots and

758
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: just looked so awkward because of that pacing and striking

759
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: and wrestling of Morob Like this is an Olympic gold

760
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: medalist who was being dominated in the takedown department by

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Speaker 1: dualas feeling.

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00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: Listen, man, we've seen it. We've seen it in the past.

763
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: That happens, but more the conditioning. If you're a Henry Shuto,

764
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 3: you're going in there knowing that this guy has weaponized cardio.

765
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: It might not have experienced it, but you're hearing about it,

766
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 3: you're seeing it. He holds the takedown record. All the

767
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 3: wrestling guys they don't want to expend energy to get

768
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: what they have to do. This kid doesn't get You

769
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 3: see this guy, he's having a great time, you know,

770
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 3: when you love what you do as much as he does.

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00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: He's not fighting. It's like a guy going to a

772
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: concert and joining himself.

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00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: It really is. You know. It was ten minutes, was

774
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: like a warm up. That was like his warm up,

775
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: and then he was settling in in round three. It's

776
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: a Hudo was just dead.

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00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: If that was a five round fight, I have no

779
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: question in my mind.

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00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: He was, Yes, it's so demoralizing, and he's you know,

781
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 3: he's getting more confident in each fight as each fight

782
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: goes on. But I don't like the three rounds fights.

783
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: I was telling John because he really I think he

784
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 3: slipped in the first round, more of a slip, but

785
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I gotta go back and look at it.

786
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: But it wasn't like he got totally taken down or whatever,

787
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: but he got stuck on his back and he lost

788
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: that round. He got clipped with the left hook. But

789
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: you know, I don't like that because now you have

790
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 3: to win the next two rounds for a guy like

791
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: Morob two, who you know, if he had another four rounds,

792
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: you know the way that I wouldn't even have cared

793
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: about the first round. So it was a bit know

794
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: concerning because again zig when you should have zagging the

795
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: second round, and somehow you end up on the bottom

796
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 3: for a minute and you may lose that round, you know,

797
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 3: even though you're not getting beat up. So uh, he,

798
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 3: like you said, he's just going to get stronger and straight.

799
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: The guy's smiling. He's got the guy over his back

800
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: like he's carrying an infant. When you get home from

801
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 3: a long trip, bring the kids inside and he's laughing,

802
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: he's looking.

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00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: At was nasty. It reminded me of Matt Hughes against

804
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: Frank Trigg. Well he picked him up in the kind

805
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: of walked across the rod. I completely own you now.

806
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 3: It was yeah, very very similar. But Hughes wasn't laughing

807
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: this guy, right, you know, you just got kicked in

808
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 3: the bulls. He was probably this guy's having a great time.

809
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: It's just so refreshing to see and everything's all. It

810
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: just was a you know, it was just great. It

811
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 3: couldn't happen to a nicer guy. And you know, Dana

812
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: kind of said he's getting his title shot. Sorry, and

813
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: you know whose word?

814
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 5: It sounds hyperbolic when sports announcers say, you know, I've

815
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 5: never seen anything like him, And I think the only

816
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 5: time I've capped a fight saying something like that was

817
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 5: you know, have you ever seen anything or have you

818
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 5: ever seen anyone like justin gaetgee And still to this point,

819
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 5: I have not seen anyone but Kenny and Ray Morob

820
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 5: is like truly one of one. I mean, there is

821
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 5: absolutely no point of comparison in the gym. You know,

822
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 5: if any fighter on the roster could fight a fifteen

823
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 5: round fight. It's absolutely him and guys like me who

824
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 5: live in this fantasy world about like untimed rounds. Morob

825
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 5: certainly your champion in most equations there he could get

826
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 5: hite by Sean O'Malley. But the conditioning, the commitment, the genetics,

827
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 5: the ability to compartmentalize this huge, high pressure sport and

828
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 5: right just go out as if he's going to a concert.

829
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 5: Right picks up the Olympic gold medalist. That had to

830
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 5: feel good. I don't even know where to begin with

831
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 5: this guy. But now as the fan base effectively eating

832
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 5: out of his hand as well. I mean you should

833
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 5: have seen Mark Zuckerberg and the other celebrities and the

834
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 5: way all of the VIP fans reacted to this fucking guy.

835
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,479
Speaker 5: And I have long said the guy leaves the league

836
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 5: in mixed martial arts offense, What exactly is the problem

837
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 5: with his style?

838
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: Right?

839
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 5: If you don't love my promotion of movsar Ivloyev, well,

840
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 5: Morobs certainly more exciting than that guy with res like

841
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 5: the guy's non fucking stop entertains at press conferences, entertains,

842
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 5: it weigh ends in fight before the fight, when he

843
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 5: gets hit when he's doling out the offense.

844
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: Guy's the fucking man.

845
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then John, the way the stars have aligned

846
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: and he didn't like Again, I look to me, he

847
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: sat back and he supported al Joe. He waited for

848
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: his turn. If you ever talked to him, he breaks

849
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: it down very simply, and it's just aligned with everything,

850
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: the performance, his entertaining press conference, the videos he's putting out,

851
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: like it just seems like the stars are aligning. I

852
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 3: think he's I think he's going to be a huge

853
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 3: star because he's an and he's a super likable guy.

854
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. He's a super likable guy

855
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: and he deserves everything he gets.

856
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: I feel like everything about him, the energy is infectious right,

857
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: the way that he talks, the way that he moves,

858
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: the way that he fights. I mean, it's just like,

859
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: how much energy does this kid have. He's like my

860
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: two year old runner around. You can't control him, you

861
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: can only hope to contain.

862
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 3: It's unreal, it's it's it's wacky wicky. And again, I

863
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 3: guess when you come from where he comes from and

864
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 3: you're having some success, you're just so grateful for everything

865
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: that Look, he's got everything in perspective. Trust, that's all

866
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 3: they could say. There's guys in there they want to

867
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: get one fight in on Instagram say this, he's in

868
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 3: it because he loves to do it. He's going to

869
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 3: be around for a while.

870
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 5: Well, and he just had almost a year off, not

871
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 5: by design. He had a very invasive hand surgery if

872
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 5: you don't know. In May it's almost healed, but it's

873
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 5: not quite there. So Kenny, I want to lead with

874
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 5: you on this and then we can get to Ray.

875
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 5: So Sean O'Malley is fighting Marlon cheto Vera on March

876
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 5: ninth for the bantamweight championship. Kenny, how do you handicap

877
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 5: Morob's chances against Cheeto or Sean?

878
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: Gosh? I mean, this guy is a tornado, dude, and

879
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: you and you can't really contain a tornado. You just

880
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: gotta go along for the ride and hope for the best.

881
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: And I don't know the way he met. So you

882
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: know that fight against Henry, I thought Henry was a

883
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: really tough matchup right, just because of the wrestling alone.

884
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: Well that was thrown off the window. How are these

885
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: guys supposed to stop the wrestling of Marot? How are

886
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: they going to stop you know, even his even his movement,

887
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: it's it's unorthodox. It's tough to get a handle on him.

888
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: And when you have guys like Cheeto, especially who may

889
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: not have or may not quite have the same kind

890
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: of footwork as O'Malley, it's tough to get a handle

891
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: on that style of rhythm. So I think he matches

892
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: up extremely well against both those guys who are phenomenal strikers.

893
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: But of course the wrestling tends to cancel a lot

894
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: of that out, especially guys who rely on getting a

895
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: certain pacing and getting into a certain rhythm. There is

896
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: no rhythm to get a handle on with Morob, So

897
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: I like his chances against both of those guys. In

898
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: order to beat Morob, you have to be an insane

899
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: wrestler and an extremely powerful striker, and if you have that,

900
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 1: you still might be in trouble.

901
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well, but he's he's he is definitely one

902
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: hundred percent of good. I don't think there's a guy

903
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 3: that's gonna consistently stop his takedowns. And again, if you

904
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: look at the strike as he's faced Mala Maraz Jose

905
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 3: Aldo pdon So, Hudo's a wrestler and a pretty good striker, right,

906
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: He's seen it all now, O'Malley lengthwise knows how to

907
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: use his lanth. He's got to be. He does a

908
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: couple of things beautifully. Really. I love watching some of

909
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 3: the things he does. But if you can't catch this

910
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: guy and I and I'm gonna say he's got whiskers too, Kenny,

911
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: I mean, Willa Marais hits like a freight train. That

912
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 3: left hook was brutal, and even though he was running

913
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: around the ring, I don't think he was ever out

914
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: of that fight. And you know, Henry pitt them with

915
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 3: a hook kind of that was nothing, but he did

916
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: kind of buckle him a little bit, caught up at

917
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 3: a place. But but the Marais shot was a fricking

918
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 3: grand slam. He's walking through that and that was years

919
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: ago and he's only now getting better with everything. So

920
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: you went in a little more confidence, a little more

921
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: technical ability. You're not you're not stopping the guys wrestling.

922
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't see it, man. I'm gonna tell

923
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 3: you something. The you know guys do a shakeout before

924
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 3: the fight.

925
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 8: He literally fought al Joe three rend Penny like fu

926
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 8: brude little swinging for the fucking fences. Like al Joe

927
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 8: complains about my boxing Cliss sometimes Glass, that's way worse

928
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 8: what I just saw.

929
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: Dude. They went at it three fives he had, So

930
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: that's the second fight of the night. I'm not Kenny.

931
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: That's a fact that's not even made up. And you

932
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: know you believe you. Man. You could check with John Wood,

933
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: you could check with with with al Joe, full phone,

934
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 3: full blown fucking fight, al Jo. I go, al Jo,

935
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 3: YOURCRDIA looks pretty good. We were in good shape. That's

936
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 3: in like two months. I mean crazy, the guy's nuts.

937
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: I want a story, no drilling, just complete chaos in

938
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 3: a in that fucking warm up room. So yeah, I'm

939
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 3: not kidding, I'm I'm not I'm underdoing it.

940
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

941
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 5: Well, we'll have Rob DWAs Willie on the show at

942
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 5: some point that not to dis in future will ask

943
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 5: him about that. His seventy nine takedowns now now third

944
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 5: all time in UFC history. When all said and done,

945
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 5: stands to reason he will be the most accomplished takedown

946
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 5: artist in UFC history. So congratulations, Ray, that's a fucking

947
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 5: big one, man. I mean, that's a fucking big one.

948
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 5: If you got anything else on Morob, I'll take it.

949
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 5: I do think we minimize or at least under talk

950
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 5: about some of his technical improvements because he's just the

951
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 5: fucking machine and he's there's so much to ingest.

952
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: He didn't he just surpassed clak Weena has been in

953
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: the UFC since nineteen eighty eight. I mean it's comedy comedy,

954
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: and he's and he's hit a lot of takedowns in

955
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: the UFC. Man, that is crazy. Mob's just getting started.

956
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 3: I don't think Morob's going anywhere. Man. I think this

957
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: kid loves to fight, and it's almost confusing to him

958
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: why they're paying him. I think, you know what I mean,

959
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 3: you're paying me for this. I say that before we

960
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 3: go for to look, I want to give a big

961
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: shout out to John Wood because he did his whole

962
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: camp over there and he did a great job. You know,

963
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 3: and if you listen to him, he doesn't try to

964
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: change anything, just hands a couple of things, so you know,

965
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: he just to Keith Morob focused and in training camp.

966
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 3: I want to say thank you. I got to I

967
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 3: got to know John a lot better. We got we

968
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 3: had a lot of lefts, and we had a couple

969
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 3: of couple of lefts that you know, are going to

970
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: carry on for the next twenty years that I won't

971
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 3: even bother telling you, like on the show, but some

972
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: crazy shit happened. But yeah, so shout out to him.

973
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 3: And you know, uh, just.

974
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 5: John Wood is a great man and not an ego guy,

975
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 5: and I'm not at all surprised that you guys were

976
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 5: able to work that corner so effectively. I would like

977
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 5: to move along to a few other UFC two ninety

978
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 5: eight items. Ray if we kind of exhausted Ilia Topotia

979
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 5: now is Endervolkanovski. But I would be remissed if I

980
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 5: did not get at least a statement from you on

981
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 5: the new featherweight champion I Topuria.

982
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I love both guys. I didn't really see

983
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: the fight going like that, but he kind of made

984
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 3: that look easy. I don't I didn't understand we were

985
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: watching the fight in the back. I think I knew

986
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: what Folk was trying to do, but I don't know

987
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 3: if it was the right tactic. Look, I kind of

988
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 3: looked like he was trying to, you know, bang that

989
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 3: right arm up with his shin maybe and if he

990
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 3: extended to catch the liver. That's the only thing I

991
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,959
Speaker 3: could think about. But took you took a guy that's

992
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 3: like a Mike tysoness like tiny he could go in

993
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 3: there and really and he was trying to be Muhammad Ali.

994
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 3: I thought it was that part I didn't like. But

995
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: I love all of those guys. His coach is phenomenal.

996
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 3: I always love seeing them. So I feel horrible for

997
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 3: Volkanowski because I love both guys, and I hope they

998
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: give him a rematch. But this kid to Poria confident.

999
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 3: I tell you these Georgians. What a big knife for Georgia. Man,

1000
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 3: the love with him and Morab Look, I do that.

1001
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 3: I'm a human interest guy.

1002
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: You really are? You really are today?

1003
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 3: Man? You know it's like it's what's that saying, Be

1004
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 3: the change you want to see in the world. Oh wow,

1005
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 3: that's what I want to do. And I love. I

1006
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 3: love seeing this, you know what I mean?

1007
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 5: And be the change you want to see and the

1008
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 5: world world On a Sunday Night from Ray Long, I

1009
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 5: got you, baby, I gotta move on.

1010
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: Ian Mashato.

1011
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 8: Gary.

1012
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 5: By the way, we do have another episode coming up

1013
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 5: on Wednesday that will include our Mexico City preview and

1014
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 5: a little bit more on UFC three hundred, but rest

1015
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 5: assured we will get Ken Flows. Thoughts on UFC three

1016
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 5: hundred Alex Padata versus Jamal Hill before we get on

1017
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 5: out of here. But Ian Mashattogary is seven to zero

1018
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 5: in the UFC. He gets past Jeff Neil by split decision.

1019
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 5: I thought he won all three rounds, as did two

1020
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 5: of the judges. Thirty twenty seven. Dissenting judge had it

1021
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 5: twenty nine to twenty eight for Jeff Neil.

1022
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: Kenflow.

1023
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 5: If you could lead us off on on Ian Maschado Gary.

1024
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 1: I thought it was a very good performance. I think

1025
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: he fought exactly the way that he wanted to. He

1026
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: was able to keep Jeff Neil on the outside anytime

1027
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 1: Jeff Neil was trying to kind of crash into him

1028
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: and look for one of those big shots. He was

1029
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: doing a good job covering up firing that knee right

1030
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: down the middle. I thought his footwork was really frustrating

1031
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 1: Jeff Neil early on. I thought round two was pretty close.

1032
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: But you know, Ian Gary slick man. He's he's a

1033
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: slick operator as well, just very tall, long for the

1034
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: division you could see that Jeff Neil just kept kind

1035
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: of taking a lot of breasts during the round, being like, man,

1036
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: I can't cut off the cages against against this guy.

1037
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: He was looking for the big shots. He was trying

1038
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: to make it a brawl and he Gary just wasn't

1039
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: having it. And in order to do that, you need

1040
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: long range weapons, you need good footwork. He was using

1041
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: that really well. I think for a lot of the

1042
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: Ian Gary fans out there, you know, maybe they were

1043
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: looking for, you know, him to try to get a

1044
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: finish against someone like Jeff Neil. But Jeff Neil, he's

1045
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: a very experienced veteran. He's very tough, he's got a

1046
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: good chin. And anytime you get a win against a

1047
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: high level guy like Jeff Neil, I think it's a

1048
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: great thing. Ian Gary continues, I think to improve and

1049
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: adpth like he he shows different aspects of his game,

1050
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: which shows that he is versatile. He's kind of like

1051
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: a chameleon. He I could fight you in a few

1052
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: different ways, and overall I thought it was a pretty

1053
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: solid performance from him. You know, I think a couple

1054
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: of those rounds were pretty close. I would like to

1055
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: see him pull away a little bit more, but man,

1056
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: Jeff Neil's very very tough to that point.

1057
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 5: He came over to the broadcast table afterwards and before

1058
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 5: the scorecards were revealed, he was like, I hate fucking

1059
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 5: judge of scorecards. So to your point, Kenny, he probably

1060
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 5: knew that it was a little bit too close for comfort,

1061
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 5: even if maybe you felt like he won all three rounds.

1062
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 5: I do, before we get raised comments, want to share

1063
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 5: an Instagram post from Jeff Neil. This is what he posted,

1064
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 5: just a big, bold faced l and he wrote, regardless

1065
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 5: of anything, I lost, didn't do enough. Promise to never

1066
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 5: give another lackluster performance like that again. I'm back on

1067
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 5: the grind on Monday. So Jeff Neil obviously was not

1068
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 5: at all happy with I think his overall output, and

1069
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 5: I think there was just so much mutual respect for

1070
00:53:54,760 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 5: the skills and potential fateful shots coming back from the

1071
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 5: guy that both guys just were a little bit conservative.

1072
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 1: What's up, Kenle?

1073
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1074
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: I know. The other thing was Ian Gary kind of

1075
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: going up to the kid, like even before the fight,

1076
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: he walks over, kind of gives a little, you know,

1077
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: pound to Jeff Neil goes up to his coaches kind

1078
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: of gives him a pound, and I think that kind

1079
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: of threw Jeff Neil off a little bit. He's like,

1080
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: what the heck is kind of going on? And I

1081
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: don't know, he was kind of maybe able to kind

1082
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: of switch the mentality up a little bit because prior

1083
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: to think what the press conference earlier this week, they

1084
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: didn't really like each other, like Jeff Neil wanted to

1085
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: kill Ian Gary and I Gary kind of was able

1086
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: to maybe play a little bit of mind game. Gun

1087
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: now we're friends, right, We're cool. I was just kidding,

1088
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: man like. So I think that took away some of

1089
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: the violence out of Jeff Neil in some ways. I

1090
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: don't know if it was just that, but I found

1091
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: that interesting.

1092
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 5: Ray At some point general safe side was like, stop

1093
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 5: dabbing the guy up.

1094
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen. Look, so was right after Morovs fight. So

1095
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 3: my adrenaline, my emotions where I was still buzzing. I'll

1096
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 3: tell you when they stopped buzzing, Man, did I come down?

1097
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 3: I came down that hill. I've never experienced anything like that.

1098
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 3: I was like, where's the adrenaline? But so what I

1099
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 3: was in the back I really didn't see. So I

1100
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 3: saw a lot of Jeff Neil holding him against the

1101
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 3: cage and then we'd go to another interview. I knew

1102
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 3: it didn't look like there was anything exciting going on,

1103
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 3: but uh, you know, those are the fights that when

1104
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 3: you're coming up, it did not always going to be knockouts,

1105
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 3: and you got to get pissed some tough guys. And

1106
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 3: he did a good job at that. He kept his

1107
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 3: streak alive. They're not all going to be gems and

1108
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 3: you have to do a fight like that. It's against

1109
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: a guy like Jeff Neil that could hit you at

1110
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 3: one punch and put you on skate. So, uh, you know,

1111
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 3: I kind of saw it, but I did listen to

1112
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 3: you guy. I mean, the kid can talk. I'll tell

1113
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 3: you that he's he's got infectious energy too. He's we

1114
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 3: were all in the press conference together at the end,

1115
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 3: and he's always a gracious when I see him, and uh,

1116
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 3: you know, so he got the job done. But I

1117
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 3: didn't really look at the fight, yeah, because I think

1118
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 3: were shuffling us around. But uh, I'm just saying it's

1119
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 3: one of those fights that coming up, you have to

1120
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: be able to get by past a guy like Jeff Neil,

1121
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: no matter how you do it, you know what I mean.

1122
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 3: And he accomplished that, and I think it's going to

1123
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 3: pay you off the dividends from moving forward.

1124
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 5: At the postfight press conference, Dana White was asked by

1125
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 5: a media member about this performance by Ian Shadougary, and

1126
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 5: I think the media member suggested that maybe it was listless.

1127
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 5: We do have some sound, I believe from Ian as

1128
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 5: to his performance Saterday night.

1129
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 4: Out of curiosity. From your point of view, fort orc speed, elusivity.

1130
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 4: If Jeff Neil was running at you swinging bombs, what

1131
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 4: would you do? You'd fucking run, do you know what

1132
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 4: I mean? Like that, dude, it's like a truck. My

1133
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 4: job is to make him missing account. My job is

1134
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 4: to upset his rhythm, upset his footwork on fine avenues,

1135
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 4: to take advantage of his mistakes. That was the best

1136
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 4: Jeff Neil we've seen today. He didn't buy on faints,

1137
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 4: he didn't buy and reactions as well as he normally did.

1138
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 4: And he hits like a truck, you know what I mean.

1139
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 4: The truth is he slowed the fight down and grappled

1140
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 4: because he wasn't happy with the strike and he was

1141
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 4: having He slowed the fight down and tried to grapple

1142
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 4: and take me down another person who couldn't. And the

1143
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 4: truth is my speed and my accuracy and my footwork.

1144
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 4: It just tricks people and they're just on the end

1145
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 4: of my rope and I just pulled them in and

1146
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 4: I take advantage of them. So look, say what you want,

1147
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 4: have whatever, Pinny you want. My hand got raised. I'm

1148
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 4: breaking records again. I'm doing what I do and I'm

1149
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 4: still not doing I've got so much time to go.

1150
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 5: So I find me a lie in there, Kenny, Like,

1151
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 5: find me a lie.

1152
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you what. Let me just jump in.

1153
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 3: That was really perfectly put. I honestly, by listening to

1154
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 3: that now, I just gained a lot of respect for

1155
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 3: that kid. He gets it like I don't. Maybe he's

1156
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 3: more just a British talking kid, a kid that gets

1157
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 3: it and he's dead on with that whatever. He was

1158
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 3: dead on. That's the first time I heard that. I

1159
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: left before he got up to he was there when

1160
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: we were talking, and there was some bantering while he

1161
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 3: was in the back. But that was beautifully put. And

1162
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: that lets me know that this kid does get it.

1163
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 8: Man.

1164
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 3: That that was huge. I just enjoyed the shit out

1165
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 3: of that.

1166
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Man, this is a martial artist who I think

1167
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: not only fight smart, knows exactly what he needs to

1168
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: do to go out there and win that fight. That's

1169
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: what you do against Jeff Neil. Jeff Neil was going

1170
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: to win that fight if you made it a nasty brawl.

1171
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: That's what Jeff Neil wanted to do. You never do

1172
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: what your reponent wants to do, right, So I think

1173
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: I think he is spot on. And at the end

1174
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: of the day, it is about getting a w and

1175
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: like you said, Ray not not every one of them

1176
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: is going to be this finish and this is a

1177
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: tough division and Ian Gary is going to get better

1178
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: as he goes on, no question about it. He's a

1179
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: crewing experience and octagon cage time Kenny.

1180
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 5: In terms of their respective dispositions and confidence, Ilia Toporitia

1181
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 5: and Ian Maschatdogary. Knowing you, Kenny the way I know you,

1182
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 5: I think you'd rather have a beer maybe with Ilia Topoitia,

1183
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 5: but Ian Mashattogary Brough. I'm telling you, I've done seven

1184
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 5: fighter meetings now with the kid, and so I've heard

1185
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 5: a lot of this now for four years. Like he's

1186
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 5: your type of fighter, Like he really is, And one

1187
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 5: of his foremost influences right now in camp is fucking

1188
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 5: Dami and Maya, right, which do a lot worse than that,

1189
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 5: not to mention Diego Lima and Shoot the Box in

1190
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 5: that entire entourage, right, Like, I am not an envious

1191
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 5: person inherently, Like when Charles dubronx Olivera walks in with

1192
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 5: the Shoot the Box team and their hair is all

1193
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 5: dyed and they treat each other like brothers and they're

1194
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 5: very affectionate, Like I want to be a part of

1195
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 5: that team, right, Like if I spoke Brazilian Portuguese, that

1196
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 5: would probably be the team I choose because I think

1197
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 5: that's the type of leadership that I maybe respond to.

1198
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 5: And I don't know. I just have a lot of

1199
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 5: respect for Ian. I can understand that he's an acquired taste.

1200
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 5: But even Ray Longo, who fucking loves me martial arts,

1201
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 5: is obsessed with this stuff, right Like, even tonight he's

1202
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 5: learning just how perpetually misunderstood a lot a lot of respecs.

1203
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: This kid is.

1204
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and he's always a heat. Listen, I'm

1205
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 3: listening the way he treat me. He really always is

1206
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 3: gracious being but that was different man, that he broke

1207
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 3: down that thing, that he gets it like that. He

1208
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 3: just I just learned a lot that was That was

1209
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 3: impressive because some guys just they don't get it, but

1210
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 3: they you know, they might hit hard or they might

1211
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 3: do one thing good, but it's the whole post, isn't

1212
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 3: that he he he, He spoke beautifully on that.

1213
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 5: So Kenny Ian Michadegary has called for a fight with

1214
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 5: Colby Covington, and we sort of knew this was common.

1215
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 5: I think it makes a ship ton of sense as

1216
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 5: a comine event, either underneath com McGregor and Michael Chandler

1217
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 5: or a co main event on a pay per view.

1218
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: What do you think about all that? I love the

1219
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: call out man for for a lot of reasons. First

1220
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: of all, it shows his confidence to because again on paper,

1221
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: you look at Kolbe Covington, his style is the guy

1222
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: who you know he uses his hands to get in on, you,

1223
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: take it down, control, you use ground and pounds. Not

1224
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: a whole lot of people are are clamoring for a

1225
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: fight against a guy who can wrestle like Colby Covington

1226
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: and a guy who's gonna talk a lot of shit

1227
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: for months upon months leading up to a fight, right,

1228
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, you got to deal with this guy,

1229
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: no thanks. But so it shows confidence on that level.

1230
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: It also shows that you know, here's here's a fight

1231
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: where he could truly be the good guy.

1232
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 3: Right.

1233
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 1: It's that perfect you know, match of the heel and

1234
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, the golden boy from Ireland. So he knows

1235
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: how to build this as a businessman, as a fighter.

1236
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: So I love it. I love I love the call out.

1237
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: I think that fight makes a lot of sense. Well

1238
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: Kobe accept that fight. I'm not sure, but I like it.

1239
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: I like where his head's a man. I think that's

1240
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: a good call out. It also speaks right to something.

1241
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: Dona Cruz talks a lot about passing these myriad stylistic

1242
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: challenges on route to becoming champion, and he shatle Garry.

1243
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to beat Kobe Covington and fight for

1244
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: the title. You know what he wants to do.

1245
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 5: He wants to beat Kobe Covington and then fight maybe

1246
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 5: like blal or Shopcut or one of these other guys.

1247
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: Right.

1248
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 5: Like still, he understands what a loss maybe could do,

1249
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 5: but he wants to build his career the right way.

1250
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 5: I heard him say this week with Sean she and

1251
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 5: I believe like three more wins before a title fight,

1252
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 5: which would make him fucking ten to zero at the UFC.

1253
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: Right, I don't know.

1254
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 5: I just have a lot of respect for his ability

1255
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 5: to tune out the noise to execute his appetite and

1256
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 5: passion for martial arts improvement. I don't have enough good

1257
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:39,439
Speaker 5: things to say about.

1258
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny, Kenny. I think Kenny that was genius

1259
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 3: because you know, he was quiet at the press conference,

1260
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 3: John Right, he didn't say much, you know, so if

1261
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 3: you feel like the fans may be attorney against you,

1262
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 3: the way than to fight a guy that you know,

1263
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 3: I love? That was bru. That's brilliant. That's that really

1264
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 3: is a great take on it.

1265
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 5: I don't know that Ian Mischado Gary is ever going

1266
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 5: to totally embrace being the heel because it's just not

1267
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 5: who he is, right. It's hard to completely go that

1268
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 5: route for Kolby Covington or chill Son, and maybe not

1269
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 5: so hard for Al Jamain Sterling and Ian Maschado Gary.

1270
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 5: It's hard to be the heel when you're not that guy, right, Right, But.

1271
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 3: Look, I look, no one Al he never wanted to

1272
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 3: be the heel. He never you know, he all his

1273
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 3: stuff was in self defense and him just getting you know,

1274
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 3: tortured by people. But al jo Is aljo is a

1275
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 3: really nice guy man. He had he did a he

1276
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,439
Speaker 3: was he was fantastic this week too. It was great

1277
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 3: seeing everybody because al Joey saw a lot. You know,

1278
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 3: he's been at the gym. But he's he's a great guy.

1279
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 3: Al joe He's a great guy and he's you know whatever.

1280
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, he he doesn't want to be the heel

1281
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 3: and that's not who he is. If he has to

1282
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 3: play it a little bit, yeah that you you could

1283
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 3: tell the guys that are really good at it, you know,

1284
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 3: the Colby's, the jails, like they it's natural for them,

1285
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 3: you know, when a guy tries to do I think

1286
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 3: that was the problem I had with like illi Are

1287
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 3: at the press conference. He kind of was trying to,

1288
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 3: you know, go that route. I don't think he's that guy.

1289
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 3: He's just a nice guy, you know what I mean.

1290
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 3: So I think now that you saw a little change,

1291
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 3: now he's the champion, I think he's going to conduct

1292
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 3: himself in a totally different way.

1293
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 5: I think he just knows how to sell a fight,

1294
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 5: and as Kenny said earlier, Tillpotia just knows maybe witch

1295
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 5: buttons to push and but then immediately he's respectful, you

1296
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 5: know when he addresses Volkanovski. And I think Tolpotia really,

1297
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 5: for a twenty seven year old, does a masterful job

1298
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 5: of sort of playing both sides of it. I promise

1299
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 5: we will get to Robert Whittaker here in a few minutes,

1300
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 5: about ten more minutes with Ray Longo, But I just

1301
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 5: want to know when Anthony Fluffy Hernandez kicks off the

1302
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 5: pay per view against Roman Coppolov.

1303
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: Are you in the back watching that fight?

1304
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 3: Ray, Yes, I was in the I had Coppolov in

1305
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 3: the dressing room and he looked good warming up.

1306
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: All right, So let's get into that.

1307
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 3: If we could go ahead and you can't kill him,

1308
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 3: he's like the guy in the Chuck Norris movie. You

1309
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 3: gotta throw him in the well. You can't go back,

1310
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 3: and he gets you. I saw him, Me and Aljo

1311
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 3: saw him. We got off the bus getting back to

1312
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 3: the hotel. They can't kill you. They try. He always

1313
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 3: gets a little tuned up. But what a great fight

1314
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 3: that was for a man, and he seems like he's

1315
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 3: a that's the first time I ever met him, you know,

1316
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 3: and again, so he seems like a great guy. So

1317
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 3: I wish him the best of look in the future.

1318
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, I've got to see that. That was

1319
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 3: I thought a phenomenal fight to him against a guy.

1320
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 3: I'm sure he was an underdog in that fight.

1321
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 5: Right, Roman Kopolov was the underdog Anthony Fluffy Hernandez. It's

1322
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 5: interesting because a lot of people really like the value

1323
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 5: on Koppolov, and yet money just perpetually kept pouring in

1324
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 5: on Anthony Fluffy Hernandez. At one point he was like

1325
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 5: minus one eighty eight closed. I think closer to minus

1326
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 5: two twenty five or monus.

1327
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 3: Oh, so they did have that, right, Kenny.

1328
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 5: Anthony Fluffy Hernandez was a Brasilian jiu jitsu purple belt

1329
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 5: when he submitted credentialed Hudelpho Vieria. He is a brown

1330
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 5: belt right now. What a fucking stud huh dude.

1331
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: I love his style. Man, I'm so upset because I

1332
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: had him in the parlay and then I scribbled out

1333
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: his name and decided to switch things up. I got

1334
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:17,919
Speaker 1: way too cute. I should have made an individual bet

1335
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: on him. But yeah, his style is a problem.

1336
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 3: Man.

1337
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: He is like a damn badger when he gets in

1338
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: on that body lock or on your leg. Not only

1339
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: is he like a badger, bud, he's crafty as well.

1340
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: He finds a way to win. And he was entertating. Man.

1341
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: I loved it. He was working on the choke but

1342
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: once he hadn't under the chin, he was just smiling,

1343
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: just got an on his head. He's like, no, I

1344
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: got him now, and couple off. He's been on one man.

1345
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: He is extremely dangerous on the feet. There's no question

1346
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: that he hurt Hernandez at least two or three times

1347
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: to the body. But Hernandez just kind of let that

1348
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: smile goes. All right, I'm gonna keep coming. He was

1349
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: like Wolverine out there.

1350
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 3: Man.

1351
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: It was it was awesome to see him. To do

1352
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: that kind of in his backyard, that's about as good

1353
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: as it gets. So to do that opening of the

1354
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: main cart of a huge pay per view. We're going

1355
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: to see more of this guy, and I think the

1356
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: UFC's going to start to use him more and more

1357
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: in maybe some of these main event fight night spots,

1358
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: or use him again in a pay per view because

1359
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: they know they have a guy that is not early skilled,

1360
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: but he is game as hell.

1361
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Anthony Fluffy Hernandez is going to get

1362
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 5: a UFC main event next And that was sort of

1363
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 5: what he was talking about in our fighter meeting. But

1364
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 5: congrats to a really good dude who now has more

1365
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 5: successive wins than he does children. The father of Anthony

1366
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 5: Fluffy Hernandez is one five in a row, all right.

1367
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: Ray Longo.

1368
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 5: Robert Whittaker over Polo Costa in a co main event

1369
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 5: that was as advertised and I said on the post show,

1370
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 5: when you look at this round two by Robert Whittaker,

1371
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 5: it sort of is a microcosm for the rest of

1372
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 5: his career, at least when it comes to facing adversity.

1373
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 5: He's on the wrong end of that vicious spinning he'll

1374
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,439
Speaker 5: hook or he'll kick or spinning wheel kick whatever the fuck.

1375
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 5: At the end of round one, actually it looked like

1376
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 5: it was Palocasta's ankle. Ultimately that I feel like if

1377
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 5: it was the hook at the heel flushed, uh, you know,

1378
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 5: might have been a good night. But uh, dude, Whittaker's

1379
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 5: responsing round two just the stuff of the legends for

1380
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 5: the future Hall of Famer Ray what he have for

1381
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 5: us on the comin.

1382
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a man, A great exciting fight, you know,

1383
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 3: kind of Whittaka one hundred percent one, but kind of

1384
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 3: no loser. I love when Costa shows up and he fights,

1385
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, because man, even his head

1386
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 3: kicks Kenny fast and powerful, you know, and forget the spin,

1387
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 3: just the right. Yeah for a big guy, he gets

1388
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 3: it up to. That was a great fight. I don't

1389
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 3: think anybody, I mean that disappointed nobody and Whittaka for

1390
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,799
Speaker 3: being around as long as he's been, still a stud.

1391
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 3: Great win for Robert Whittaker and uh and a good

1392
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 3: fight for Costa too. I enjoyed the ship at that fight.

1393
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 3: It wasn't you know with that and that was the

1394
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 3: unanimous decision. Yes, yeah, I mean it was just a

1395
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 3: really good fight. But Costa showed up to fight, but

1396
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 3: it was the other guy's night and he had a

1397
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 3: weather that that wheel kick to the head and he

1398
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 3: Costa just couldn't handle those blitz as Kenny. He would

1399
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,799
Speaker 3: just charge him and just I think that was the difference.

1400
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 3: He had no answer to that. But great fight, man,

1401
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 3: both guys. I didn't think it was gonna even go

1402
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 3: down like that. But that was a really that was

1403
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 3: just a super great fight.

1404
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Whitaker didn't leave the dog back in Australia. Man,

1405
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: he had that dog with him, dude, I mean it

1406
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: was it was an awesome fight. I think the other

1407
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:39,759
Speaker 1: problem was I think Paulo Costa doesn't make the best

1408
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: decisions during fights. Like I think that there's times where

1409
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: he kind of want the showboat at the wrong times,

1410
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: kind of thinks he's doing better than he actually is

1411
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: at times, and I don't know, don't I don't know

1412
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: if the narratives what's actually playing out in front of

1413
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: him is what's actually happening during the fight. Like there

1414
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: were a couple times if he if he threw two

1415
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: or three more punches, or even one or two more punches,

1416
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:06,799
Speaker 1: and with some of the things, some of the attacks

1417
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: that he was formulating against Whittaker, he could have won

1418
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 1: that fight. And I think he thought that maybe he

1419
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: was in control when he wasn't. Yes, and Whittaker man

1420
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 1: to come back, especially on the backdrop of that DDP

1421
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: fight right the Drinkest Duples fight was one of those

1422
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: disappointing fights because I think for a lot of people

1423
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 1: who were watching it. I think we knew that Whittaker

1424
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: had more in him, and I don't think Whittaker realized

1425
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: the kind of fighter and the kind of dog that

1426
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: duplus C had in him, and for him to come

1427
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,759
Speaker 1: back in this fashion against the Costa, who I thought looked,

1428
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, despite the issues that I talked about, better

1429
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: than he has and maybe ever. And I think he

1430
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: took this training camp extremely seriously and Whittaker was still

1431
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: able to get it done. It showed that Whittaker was

1432
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: in it and he realizes the opportunity that's in front

1433
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 1: of him with these new champions that are in the

1434
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: spots that they're at.

1435
01:10:58,800 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1436
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: And I thought it was a perfect kind of scenario

1437
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: for him to prove to himself, hey I still got this,

1438
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: I want this, and to prove to the fans of

1439
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 1: the UFC that hey, I'm not going anywhere. I got

1440
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 1: the passion for this game.

1441
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. And John go go go go now you you you,

1442
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 3: And I tell you, I think it was a good

1443
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,759
Speaker 3: enough fight where I don't think Polo Costa lost anything.

1444
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 3: I still think right in there because like again it's

1445
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 3: more like what Kenny saying, which is interesting, I do

1446
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 3: believe he thinks he's ahead when he's not, and that's

1447
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 3: where he's making a mistake because I when we were

1448
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 3: in the back, I was like, you know, what makes

1449
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 3: this fight greade? They both could take each other's punches

1450
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 3: and they're throwing, So this is gonna be I knew

1451
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 3: in the first time. I go, this is gonna be

1452
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 3: a good fricking right. So but it's and again Whittako

1453
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 3: won the fight. But I'm saying this in a weird way.

1454
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 3: It's not that Polo Costa lost. I'm agreeing with Kenny.

1455
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 3: In his head, he thinks he's doing enough, maybe because

1456
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 3: he lands some big shots, but the other guy was

1457
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 3: kind of outstriking him. And again the blitzes, maybe they

1458
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 3: weren't the most powerful thing. So look, you know, like

1459
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 3: Kenny sparn and the guy's getting off, but you're not

1460
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 3: really feeling anything. So you're still having a good time

1461
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 3: and it's not like there's anything while I was a

1462
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 3: bad shot. You have to make an adjustment, and I

1463
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 3: think you're spot on with that. And I think, you know,

1464
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 3: it's funny because it's not a technical thing with Paulo Costa,

1465
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 3: but somebody's got to get him in between rounds and goes. Look,

1466
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 3: I don't care what you think. You lost that fucking round.

1467
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 3: You got to win this round because at the end

1468
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 3: of the day, I don't think the fight is going

1469
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 3: to do him any damage because I thought it was

1470
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 3: a really good fight. But just with it, go won.

1471
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 3: But it was exciting for everybody. I thought it was

1472
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 3: a great fight, and I'm excited to, like I put this, well,

1473
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see both guys fight again.

1474
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, twenty twenty four. You can't feel good about

1475
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: any close round in MMA. You kind of have to

1476
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: assume I lost it and you gotta go for it.

1477
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 1: There's never a time where you can get comfortable as

1478
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: a coach or a fighter in today's mixed Marshall.

1479
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 3: No, no, and it's critical, that's right. Like I go,

1480
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 3: I don't put a lot of emphasis on the coach

1481
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 3: because I ultimately it's the fighter. But those are the

1482
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 3: times you need it when you got to say because

1483
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 3: even Morobi, after the first round, you lost a round,

1484
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, you got to get Now,

1485
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,560
Speaker 3: maybe that was pretty obvious, but you know, who the

1486
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 3: hell knows, but you still got to light a fire

1487
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 3: under the guy's ass. And get him to win those

1488
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 3: next two rounds, and that that's where it becomes critical

1489
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 3: and you gotta be honest. I didn't hear the corner

1490
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 3: work in between Costa and the other guy, but I

1491
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 3: think he is a type of guy thought he won

1492
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 3: that fight because he didn't get hurt and he was

1493
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 3: thrown and he was stepping in and he buckled Whittaker.

1494
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 3: And sometimes when you buckle a guy like that, you

1495
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 3: rust on your laurels. You think, you know, you look

1496
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,600
Speaker 3: for the same thing, or you think that's won the

1497
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 3: round or could win the fight for you, and that's

1498
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 3: not the way it goes. And he kind of just

1499
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 3: got out hustled to me, and I think it was

1500
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 3: more bit the way he interpreted that fight. I think

1501
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 3: that's a really really valid point.

1502
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 5: Whittaker won thirty twenty seven on one of the three

1503
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 5: judges scorecards, even with that kick at the end of

1504
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 5: round one. So it just goes to show you not

1505
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 5: the Robert Whittaker dominated Palo Costa per se. I'm not

1506
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 5: at all suggesting that got a lot of things done,

1507
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 5: but you know, one judge had him losing all three rounds,

1508
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 5: and this was a title eliminator of sorts. And I

1509
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 5: do think Dana White said that when you get Palo

1510
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 5: Costa to show up, he delivers. And because he lost

1511
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 5: this fight and now is no longer really on a

1512
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 5: championship trajectory, maybe this results in him turning around in

1513
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 5: a few months because he needs to try to get

1514
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 5: back on the horse. And I think you could do

1515
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 5: worse than Palo Costa versus Anthony Fluffy Hernandez and a

1516
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 5: UFC fight night made event all right? Ray final thoughts

1517
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 5: on UFC two ninety eight before we let you go.

1518
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 3: Oh, final thoughts.

1519
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 5: Anaheim brought it man, your guy had a lot of

1520
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 5: love there.

1521
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 3: I think, great, great night. It made the trip coming

1522
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 3: back a lot of easy because I had the whole

1523
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 3: night I couldn't sleep. I had to just get on

1524
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 3: the plane at six in the morning. Thank god, I

1525
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 3: slept on the plane.

1526
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, what was that same boat? I'm in the same boat,

1527
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 5: first class. We were up front. We had my brother

1528
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 5: in row twenty eight.

1529
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 3: Thank god I had to bed because I just I

1530
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 3: woke up and we were landing. So saved me for today.

1531
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 3: Look big knife for Georgia. Uh, that's that's a that's

1532
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 3: a great story. Those two guys. You see the love

1533
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 3: they have. It's just weird. Man. I got about ten

1534
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 3: Georgian people and fighters in the gym, and I did

1535
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 3: the most similar people in New York that I've ever

1536
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 3: seen in my life. They just well, they're really just

1537
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 3: nice people. And I think it was a big knife

1538
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 3: for Georgia, big knife for Moron, big knife for the Pooria,

1539
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 3: big knight for their respective teams. And I was happy

1540
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 3: to be a part of it. And I love watching

1541
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 3: this kid grow.

1542
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 5: And you know it was gonna I think of New

1543
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 5: York is the first thing out of my mouth is

1544
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:06,560
Speaker 5: not nice people. Helliansas not New Yorkers.

1545
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 3: Be the change you want to see in the world.

1546
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 3: It might be from New York, but no one's gonna

1547
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 3: say that about me because I try. Yeah, that's a

1548
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 3: good I try to be. I try to be different.

1549
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 3: I try to help people. You want to you want

1550
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 3: to keep with that Boston stuff and be a hard

1551
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 3: is and yeah bus bulls.

1552
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 5: Yeah that's a good note upon which to go out

1553
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 5: ray long a manute every week or on the Anakin

1554
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 5: Floring podcast. Congratulations out a big win, my man. It

1555
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 5: was great to see you appreciate the love and support

1556
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 5: and uh, we'll talk my phone this week.

1557
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure I love.

1558
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 3: You guys, Let's do it for sure. But great, great,

1559
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 3: great knife for everybody and just great great break.

1560
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: Break back, right guys.

1561
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 5: Thanks man, Ray Long, go mante it every week here

1562
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 5: on the anakind Floran podcast. Can flow real quick. A

1563
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 5: few other notes on UFC two ninety eight before we

1564
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 5: get your thoughts on UFC three hundred and get on

1565
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,480
Speaker 5: out of here. Danny Barlow undefeated on the early prelimbs

1566
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 5: oh Ban Elliott with a big win Jiang min Yong,

1567
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 5: first light heavyweight from China in the UFC, A huge

1568
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 5: knockout of Brendison Hiberro, Nya Nakamora, a Japanese prospect worth

1569
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 5: keeping an eye on Marcos Jerio de Lima at heavyweight,

1570
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,799
Speaker 5: taking on and beating Junior Tafa in less than twenty

1571
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 5: knockouts in UFC history, stabbing from leg kick. So congratulations

1572
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 5: to pays out. But I want to get your thoughts

1573
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 5: on the feature prelim if I could. Amanda Lamos, congratulations

1574
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 5: to her surviving some compromising spots against Mackenzie Dern.

1575
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 1: One thing.

1576
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 5: I just want to say, you just smirked, which makes

1577
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 5: me want to stop talking Mackenzie Durham bro when she

1578
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 5: was preparing for her UFC debut against Ashley Yoder, she

1579
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 5: was like crying and sparring and having a lot of

1580
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 5: I think emotional and mental issues. And look at the

1581
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 5: former Brazilian jiu jitsu world champion right now. Say what

1582
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 5: you want about maybe some of the striking deficiencies, but

1583
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 5: she is a fighter.

1584
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: She is an.

1585
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 5: Absolute fighter, toughness, heart, never looking for a way out

1586
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 5: of there. You gotta knock her unconscious to get her

1587
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 5: out of there. I just have a lot of respect

1588
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 5: for McKenzie Dern stepping up here on four weeks notice

1589
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 5: for Top Suarez because she saw an opportunity to get

1590
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 5: the number three ranking. She doesn't get it, but you know,

1591
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 5: I just really feel like Mackenzie durn Is is all

1592
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 5: in in a lot of respects and deserves some credit

1593
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:10,560
Speaker 5: for that.

1594
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: She's had a baby, bro, you know, she's tough now.

1595
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable, man. It was one of those things

1596
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: where you almost didn't want to see it go on

1597
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 1: at a certain point and she was just too tough

1598
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 1: for her own good. But she still put herself in

1599
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 1: this spot to win that fight. I thought she was

1600
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: going to be out of it based on kind of

1601
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 1: some of those stories and things. But man, this isn't

1602
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: just you know, some whiny jiu jitsu practitioner. No offense

1603
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 1: to my jiu jitsu friends out there, but she is

1604
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: a fighter through and through. That is clear. Man. She

1605
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: could have won that fight a few times, and she

1606
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: could have done it after taking some massive shots against Lamos.

1607
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: You know, Lamos was making some of the worst decisions

1608
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: that I've ever seen in a mixed martial arts fight,

1609
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: but she can brack. Man. There's very few people in

1610
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: that division that can hit as hard as a Menda Lemos,

1611
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: And it was just confusing to me. You know, here

1612
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: you are, you have this huge advantage on the feet,

1613
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: and you are going to the ground, in fact, chasing

1614
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: the fight to the ground against perhaps the most dangerous

1615
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: woman on the ground in the UFC. Like this is

1616
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: a multiple time Brazilians champion who is known for a

1617
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: very sharp jiu jitsu game. What were you doing? So

1618
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: for me, as someone who picked Lemos, I was having

1619
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: a heart attack watching. I was sweating watching this because

1620
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 1: I know just how damn dangerous and how tough Mackenzie

1621
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: Dern is so To me, it was extremely exciting. I

1622
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: didn't like it, but man, it was exciting. But Lemos

1623
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: just has to fight smarter. To me, she was She

1624
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 1: had so much energy running through, so much emotions running

1625
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: through it. She could not help herself. And if you

1626
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: want to get back at the top, and if you

1627
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: want to fight someone like a Souarez in your next one,

1628
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: no no, no, no, no no, that is not that is

1629
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 1: not going to be your path to victory or your

1630
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:15,919
Speaker 1: path to getting back to a championship trajectory. So hopefully

1631
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 1: she learns from this, because man, is she talented. She

1632
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: is so talent, She is so good, she is so powerful,

1633
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: but she cannot continue to make decisions like that at

1634
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: the highest levels of the game here you just can't.

1635
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,919
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think you put it well, man. Mackenzie

1636
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: Dern is so tough, but she still has a long

1637
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: way to go when it comes to her striking game.

1638
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 1: I thought she hit a beautiful double leg, you know,

1639
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 1: in the fight. So she is improving. I know she's

1640
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: working on her wrestling now. Great to see, great to hear,

1641
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: but just needs to put it together and link that

1642
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 1: striking into her takedown game. If she does that, man,

1643
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: she can come back, but I don't want to see

1644
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: her take too much more damage like that in her

1645
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: next few fights.

1646
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 5: And just want to say, sort of in putting a

1647
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 5: bow on UFC two ninety eight to all the fans

1648
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 5: in Orange County and all the fans who came to

1649
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 5: Anaheim for and wide, you all just elevated UFC two

1650
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 5: ninety eight to such an extent. Certainly the avid fans

1651
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 5: knew how great a pay per view main card this

1652
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 5: was on paper, but there has been so much noise,

1653
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 5: and rightfully so, about the depth of UFC two ninety

1654
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 5: nine and the main event for UFC three hundred, that

1655
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 5: this pay per view wasn't getting the shine that it deserved.

1656
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 5: And man, did it deliver. I think over deliver even

1657
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 5: in some respects perhaps. And it's interesting too for me,

1658
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 5: Like a lot of people will say, oh, who you're

1659
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 5: rooting for? And I have rooting interests on both sides,

1660
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 5: but largely I'm rooting for like the most wild shit

1661
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 5: to happen. And certainly you know an Ilia Topodia Flushko

1662
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 5: with the right hand of Alexander Volkonowski is pretty fucking wild.

1663
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 5: So you two ninety eight, one for the history books

1664
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 5: and memorable to say the least. Sorry, before we get

1665
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 5: on out of here, and don't forget another full length

1666
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 5: long episode for you coming up on Wednesday, as we

1667
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 5: preview UFC fighting out in Mexico City.

1668
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:05,839
Speaker 1: Brandon Moreno and Brandon Royball.

1669
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 5: UFC three hundred has a main event for the undisputed

1670
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 5: UFC Light Heavyweight title, Alex Padata in defense against the

1671
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 5: former champion, Jamal Hill. Now, when we were all trying

1672
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 5: to get predicted when it came to the UFC three

1673
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 5: hundred main event, a lot of us felt like Alex

1674
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 5: Paata was the champion most likely to headline, but it

1675
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 5: didn't necessarily seem like promotionally they would want to do

1676
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 5: the macabat Alkalaiath fight, And it certainly didn't seem that

1677
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 5: Jamal Hill, who had surgery for a torn achilles in August,

1678
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 5: would be ready by April thirteen. But Jamal Hill's confident

1679
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 5: that he can knock out Alex Padata. I think it's

1680
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 5: a fantastic main event when you add it to the

1681
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 5: rest of the depth at UFC three hundred, I'm really sold.

1682
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 5: I know, maybe there was some novelty fight out there

1683
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 5: that fans were hoping for. But to me, Kenny, whether

1684
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:55,799
Speaker 5: the promotion cuts my paycheck or not, UFC three hundred

1685
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 5: padata versus Hill, that's fucking good enough for me.

1686
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 1: Man. I'll say this, Listen, I think the card is awesome, right,

1687
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 1: It's a very very solid card. I'm a little disappointed

1688
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: in the main event myself, if I'm being honest, and

1689
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm just a little surprised with Jamal just because I

1690
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: didn't think he was gonna be healthy and he may

1691
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,480
Speaker 1: not be right. I think this is a huge opportunity

1692
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 1: for him. The problem is Alex Pereira's gotta be licking

1693
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 1: his lips right now, going wait a second, So this

1694
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: guy's coming off a achilles achille. Yeah, he's coming off

1695
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 1: an achilles injury. And my best strike are calf kicks.

1696
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 3: Hm.

1697
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. By give it to me, feed me,

1698
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: and so in that regard, I don't see this one

1699
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: going in the distance, even in regards to Jamal Hill,

1700
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 1: because this dude can crack man as far as his

1701
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 1: hands is. Sharpness on the feet, you got to be

1702
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: extremely careful. But you need both of your wheels, you

1703
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 1: need both your ankles to get that stability and get

1704
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: that power off the floor. I'm not supremely confident he's

1705
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: gonna be able to do that. If he's able to

1706
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 1: pull this off, John, I will say that it will

1707
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: be one of the craziest comebacks off of an injury

1708
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: that Oh yeah, if he's able to pull this off,

1709
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: that's the story, right. If he's able to do that,

1710
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: that would be unbelievable, especially against an absolute murderer like

1711
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 1: Alex Pereira and that style. So I mean, yeah, I

1712
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a great fight, no question about that.

1713
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: But from a name standpoint, like this is a fight

1714
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: for the hardcore fans, for guys who really know the sport, yeah,

1715
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: From some of the maybe the casuals, no offense boys,

1716
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 1: yeah and girls, I think maybe they kind of wanted

1717
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: maybe a bigger name here, but still a fantastic main event.

1718
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,560
Speaker 5: And maybe I'm too insulated when I suggest that Poeton

1719
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 5: has become this massive star, and maybe he's not quite

1720
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 5: there yet, but it does seem to me like he

1721
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 5: certainly qualifies as the a side of a UFC three

1722
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 5: hundred main event. And I do think Jamal Hill is

1723
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 5: one of the more underappreciated former champions on this roster,

1724
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 5: just in terms of his natural gifts and his overall

1725
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 5: mixed Marshal Art's skill. I just worry about him not

1726
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 5: having ample time to prepare. Of course I worry about

1727
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 5: the leg kicks, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jamal Hill,

1728
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 5: you know, said to the promotion, you know, I'm gonna

1729
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 5: knock this dude out, you know, and I'm gonna do

1730
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 5: it inside of ten minutes. And maybe I'm not gonna

1731
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 5: be able to play the long game, because Jamal Hill

1732
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 5: has shown you against Glover to Shia that he does

1733
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 5: have that dog in him and he can play the

1734
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 5: long game. So I just wonder how his training camp

1735
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 5: is going to be, just given that wheel and how

1736
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 5: recently he had that surgery. But that is your UFC

1737
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 5: three hundred main event. Will have more on that coming

1738
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 5: up on Wednesday. Thank you to all everyone who indulges

1739
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 5: us a lot. The replay will be up full length

1740
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 5: on the DraftKings YouTube channel, clips on the Antik and

1741
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 5: Florian podcast YouTube channel. You can follow the show at

1742
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 5: Anti Florian Pod. Thanks to Ray Longo our producer Cody Merrow,

1743
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 5: I got to get on out of here for ken flow.

1744
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 5: I'm John and we will talk to you Wednesday. Until then,

1745
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 5: you'll late.

1746
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 1: He's in a rope.

1747
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 3: He's a lucky that he's a soul to the breath,

1748
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 3: he's gone bread. He's gone bread.

1749
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 1: Lay its oprecious to the method. You can't keep your

1750
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 1: hands on the back of the open man.

1751
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 4: He's gone red.

1752
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:28,719
Speaker 7: He's gone red.

1753
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:30,520
Speaker 4: He's going red.