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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip top.

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Speaker 1: Jesus, Oh you.

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Speaker 2: Using will be luck.

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Speaker 3: It's time to beg.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do you hear that sound? Get fired up?

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Speaker 2: Monday May fifth, twenty twenty five, and this right here

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Speaker 2: is Morning Combat, the best damn combat sports show and

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Speaker 2: really the only one out there left that's not taking

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Speaker 2: the dirty money and still willing to tell the truth.

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Speaker 2: Although my dms are open if you're offering. Hey, it's

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell looking at You're right here that BBC with

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Speaker 2: that BDE and the man next to me from Washington,

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Speaker 2: DC cannot be compromised. His name is Luke Thomas, and

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Speaker 2: Luke you know, they took my favorite sport this weekend

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Speaker 2: and they aggressively tried to ruin it luckily luckily in

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Speaker 2: a way. And Cardinis were there to remind us what

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Speaker 1: Bro, we're gonna get to it. Shouts to, shouts to

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Speaker 1: in a way, shouts Tocardinas like they rescued it. But dude,

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Speaker 1: we are talking about By the end of the Canelo fight,

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Speaker 1: arguably arguably headed towards the worst weekend in modern boxing history.

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Speaker 1: That's how bad it was.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what you won't read or hear that on anybody

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Speaker 2: who's on the payroll, Luke, that's how it works in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. But we are here to tell the tale,

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Speaker 2: tell the truth, and we're here to give you a

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Speaker 2: fantastic episode recapping UFC IOWA the big single Demayo boxingkend Friday,

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Speaker 2: Saturday and Sunday night. We'll catch your DM from dank

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Speaker 2: Questions and maybe check out a little bit of my

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Speaker 2: fecal material if you're into that. What a time to

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Speaker 2: be alive though, Thank you for tuning in. You can

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Speaker 2: our independent YouTube channels, which just takes the MK experience

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Speaker 2: and stretches it out, if you know what I mean, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Not that we really you know, enjoy things being stretched out.

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Speaker 1: Too far, right, Okay, I mean he made it weird.

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Speaker 1: You didn't have to do that. It's gonna be a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was just yeah, okay, all right. Hey,

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Speaker 2: the only thing left to do is transition to the

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Speaker 2: third number of this program. He comes to us by

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Speaker 2: way of a down under man satchel. Yes, yes, it

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Speaker 2: is the main card minutes Best Boyfriend, Luke, No SDA Luke,

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Speaker 2: how the hell are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing good, guys.

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Speaker 5: You know, it wasn't the best weekend as far as results,

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Speaker 4: It you know had to.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Sam al just send Tyrone Spong the hell

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Speaker 4: M Alvey looks damn good in karate combat.

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Speaker 5: Shout out Jed Mshus saying he is to karate combat

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Speaker 5: what Mike Perry is to b KFC.

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Speaker 2: He called out Eddie Hall afterwards. So that's a little bit.

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Speaker 4: It's making let's book it there.

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Speaker 2: No, Cita will be with us throughout the show, handling

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Speaker 2: the ones and the two's. Luke Thomas, was it a

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Speaker 2: outside of the uh depression that boxing brought this weekend?

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Speaker 2: Was the rest of the weekend good for you and

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Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, I know, it's been good. I was

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Speaker 1: Luke.

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Speaker 2: It's not fair. It's just not fair.

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Speaker 1: The allegra ain't doing the job. Man. I need something stronger.

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Speaker 2: a vape, Louke. I don't know, you know, I mean, Luke. Also,

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Speaker 2: that super fight that fights that spawned the pre Fight

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, my parents only made it seventeen years. So

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Speaker 2: Oh nice, very lucky thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Talking about right there. Hope everybody had fun this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Hope you got some sun. Hope you're ready for this

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Speaker 2: damn program right here A very quick reminder that two

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Speaker 2: channel called that Morning Combat MK is hitting you with

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Speaker 2: a UFC three point fifteen pregame preview brought to you

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Speaker 2: by Cuervo, featuring BCLT and the indomitable Iceman Chuck Minden

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Speaker 2: Hall of Uncrowned. By the way, how about uh, how

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Speaker 2: about Chuck Minden Hall and Ril getting getting billionaire row

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Speaker 1: They put these motherfuckers in the hard rock Cafe in

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Speaker 2: No, no, Chuck did write a piece for one crowned.

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Speaker 2: After it he tried his best to sum it up.

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Speaker 2: IOWA was on the dock at Saturday night, a fight

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Speaker 2: At course, of course, as former interim title challenger Corey

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Speaker 1: No, this was it. This is exactly what I was

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Speaker 1: This was the best performance I'm going to argue of

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Speaker 1: and like, how it pops your knee? Sure enough. Lachlan Giles,

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Speaker 7: It was ruled as a TKO via injury, but from

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Speaker 2: Well, if our relationship ever goes sour, Luki will be

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Speaker 7: Said, you wanted to come into this fight and prove

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Speaker 8: You did that. You're very dominant victory over Davison.

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Speaker 9: I haven't talked to him. Where me and my agency

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Speaker 9: I mean, who else is there? Umar just far for

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Speaker 9: I showed that I'm the best guy, and I deserve

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Speaker 7: There is a chance on listen, we're talking about down

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Speaker 9: If it's the belt next, I'll wait I'll wait. I

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Speaker 11: If you could draw it up in your mind. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Do you have a preference?

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Speaker 2: So Luke, I love that he said he would wait.

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Speaker 2: That's the right call right now at thirty three years old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can construct, not almost, but there's

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Speaker 2: No more short notice, excuse for you, son. This was

435
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Speaker 2: him talking to Sanaigan. He also added Cory, you were

436
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Speaker 2: good yesterday, but don't forget this fight, having a picture

437
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Speaker 2: of their first meeting, and he said, the only one

438
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Speaker 2: who deserves a fight for the belt. He's talking about himself.

439
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Speaker 2: But Luke, we have seen Yan in Twitter exchanges with

440
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Speaker 2: Umar and Narmaga Meto, who's coming off of defeat to

441
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Speaker 2: Morob for the title. I would think Yan versus Umar

442
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 2: is the perfect fight. So yes, let's give san Haigan

443
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Speaker 2: the next shot at the title.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yan versus Zumar is fantastic. I mean, if Sean

445
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: O'Malley loses and they want to run that one back,

446
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Speaker 1: that would also be kind of sick. You know, there's

447
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: just a lot of good fights you can make. But

448
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Speaker 1: also just kind of remember it's like it's not just

449
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: that Sandhagan hasn't gotten a shot before. It's that if

450
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Speaker 1: you are a believer in Morab, crossing sand Hagen off

451
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Speaker 1: of the list again, if that's your perspective, is actually

452
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Speaker 1: pretty important for like generational completeness, right, rather than just

453
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Speaker 1: rerunning another one you've seen before in Yon. Also, b

454
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Speaker 1: see if you did sand Haagen versus Yon again. Fine fight,

455
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Speaker 1: great fight, but now you're killing off the contender in

456
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Speaker 1: a world where Morob might beat O'Malley, And now you

457
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Speaker 1: really have nobody again. For all these reasons salesmanship plus meritocracy,

458
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Speaker 1: which is really the true formula of how pay per

459
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Speaker 1: view fights get awarded at least most of the time,

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Speaker 1: Sandhagan is your top choice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're totally understandable in that case. Let's talk about

462
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Speaker 2: the thirty seven year old figure Eedo. We have video

463
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Speaker 2: of him exiting the cage. He needed assisting walking after

464
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Speaker 2: that knee turn. Look, this is two straight defeats after

465
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Speaker 2: a really nice reinvent moving up in Wait to Band

466
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Speaker 2: Them weight in which he won three in a row.

467
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Speaker 1: Looked dangerous.

468
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Speaker 2: It's not as if the two fight losing skid. He's

469
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Speaker 2: looked like he's fallen aggressively hard in terms of from

470
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Speaker 2: his prime. But he's thirty seven. Now he's got an

471
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Speaker 2: injury to limp off. It does kind of feel like

472
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Speaker 2: this was the last window for him to enter a

473
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Speaker 2: title picture at this point in his career.

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Speaker 1: We said it on Friday, did we not. We're going

475
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Speaker 1: to see what these guys really have left for the

476
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Speaker 1: top of this division. Corey flying Colors looked amazing and

477
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Speaker 1: of course he's four years the junior. And Figy, by

478
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Speaker 1: the way, as a reminder, already held a weight class title,

479
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Speaker 1: like he's already done things that san Haagen has not

480
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Speaker 1: different weight class. But nevertheless, uh but san Haagan on

481
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Speaker 1: this night was certainly much much better Figy thirty seven,

482
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Speaker 1: which is already old for the weight class. And now

483
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Speaker 1: you have this injury and BC, I'm not exactly sure

484
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Speaker 1: how long it's going to take some of the estimates

485
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Speaker 1: I've seen in terms of what gets affected when this

486
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Speaker 1: injury happens from this particular position, as you get an

487
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Speaker 1: LC altair, you know, and LCL tair is. I mean,

488
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Speaker 1: we'll see what the doctors tell them, but there could

489
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: certainly be a scenario where he's not back until deep

490
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: into his time at thirty eight. Not a death sentence

491
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: for winning AGAINBC, but it's like he was losing to

492
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Speaker 1: san Haagen anyway, and now he's going to miss this time.

493
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Speaker 1: He beat good fighters up here, he beat you know,

494
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Speaker 1: Rob Faughn, he beat Chieto Vera. He beat good fighters,

495
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: but I think now we've seen the limit. You've seen

496
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Speaker 1: the limit, and now time is certainly no longer at

497
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Speaker 1: all his ally he I would not write him off.

498
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: Oh He'll never win again, That's not what I'm saying.

499
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Speaker 1: But I don't think he's relevant as a future title contender.

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Speaker 2: I fully agree with that, although I've loved his time

501
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 2: at the Elite Circle and these smaller weight classes. An

502
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Speaker 2: absolute badass who does have a complete game and is

503
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Speaker 2: very dangerous. Luke, we did this little exercise after there

504
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: were a bunch of key welter weight bouts involving Ian

505
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Speaker 2: michade o'gary, where I incorrectly tab the exercise as a

506
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Speaker 2: pound for pound at welterweight. I guess in reality, the

507
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Speaker 2: difference of what I'm trying to do is not call

508
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Speaker 2: it power rankings, in which meritocracy would largely you know,

509
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: your achievements would largely dictate where you fall in. I'm

510
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: just talking about current stock at this moment. If you

511
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Speaker 2: had to make a top five at bandam weight just

512
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Speaker 2: based on current stock, and who would beat who? Where

513
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: does Sanagan fit in? I controversially put Ian Garry at

514
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Speaker 2: number two in the welterweight division, and I've yet to

515
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Speaker 2: be proven wrong on that, although there's still a lot

516
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Speaker 2: of questions. Is Morob the best band of weight in

517
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Speaker 2: the world right now in terms of who would beat

518
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Speaker 2: who had to head? Where do you sort of see

519
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Speaker 2: it at the moment?

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Speaker 1: I think until he's beaten, we have to respect Morob,

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Speaker 1: you know, I do think Corey could beat him in

522
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Speaker 1: more than just a generic saying that kind of way.

523
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Speaker 1: But you know, gun to my head, we owe Morob respect.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to give it to him. I'll put

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Speaker 1: Umar to we answer.

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Speaker 2: That's it, that's the one. You nailed it, Luke, We've

527
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Speaker 2: already won. We can go.

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Speaker 1: I think after that's a little more interesting because I

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Speaker 1: don't you know, people were asking, like what about sand

530
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Speaker 1: Hagen and O'Malley, which could be by the way, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if that's the fight that we get, holy shit, that's

532
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Speaker 1: gonna be awesome. But the thing is, like I might

533
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Speaker 1: pick O'Malley over him, only because I think O'Malley is

534
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Speaker 1: more well rounded, especially after Saturday. Dude, like, look how

535
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Speaker 1: good he is? So then where is yet? So to

536
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Speaker 1: me it's Morob Umar And then you have to decide

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Speaker 1: where sand Haagen, Yan and O'Malley kind of all fit

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Speaker 1: in that next space. And I don't really know how

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Speaker 1: to answer.

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Speaker 2: I got Yan at three, Sanhagan at four, O'Malley at five,

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Speaker 2: and I know I'm heavy, I'm hella critical here. You know,

542
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543
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545
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Speaker 2: connect those dots, But I don't know, Luke. That's just

546
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Speaker 2: where I feel right now. We'll see how it all

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Speaker 2: Dutch Night. Reneer de Ritter Luke. While there was one

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Speaker 2: thank you. Let's put a little respect on on god

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Speaker 1: Listen, once in a while, you have a bet, I'm

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Speaker 2: Woodley would finish till and you looked at me on

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Speaker 2: the deal, folks, Bo got finished and since that, and

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Speaker 2: he's become a veritable pinata for those on MMA Twitter

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Speaker 2: as a bust, as someone who didn't fight enough. Maybe

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Speaker 2: he doesn't care about the sport enough. He went from

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's politically linked, but Bo is

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Aunt Kobe, I don't know if that's

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Speaker 2: all connected. But Luke, let's get down to the brass tacks.

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Speaker 2: Here was this Bonnickel defeat by second round TKO via

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Speaker 2: body means by URDR truly the fraud check that social

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Speaker 2: media has made it out to be. And what does

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Speaker 2: this say about bo Nichol's future?

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Speaker 1: This was a very terrible loss for bo Nicchol. There's

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Speaker 1: a central question, which is the one you're asking, which

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Speaker 1: But the bigger one is that there's really no agreed

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646
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Speaker 1: meets it, what I'm going to say is, we can't

647
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: even if you think it's a fraud check, there's actually

648
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: really no way to know until we see how he

649
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: pivots from here. Because if he goes on to have

650
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 1: the career that his skeptics think he's going to have,

651
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: then yeah, maybe this actually will end up being one.

652
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: If you end up being somebody who actually never really

653
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: turns into anything and you were hyped this way, maybe you,

654
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: in that particular scenario were a fraud all the way around.

655
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: On the other hand. If he learns from this experience

656
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: BC and then goes to you know, better heights and

657
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: become something quite special, well then we'll look back on

658
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: this and say, hey, he thought a really good RDR

659
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: which we're going to get to and yeah, he looked

660
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: bad in that loss, but he learned from it. So no,

661
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: he's not a fraud if he goes on to do

662
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: great things. How could you say such a thing. But

663
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: here's what we can say about Saturday BC number one.

664
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: He got audited. He got audited, And what I mean

665
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: by that is there was it wasn't clear to me

666
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: necessarily that bowl was better everywhere. Bo did that one

667
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: ankle pick takedown, but then tried to sit for a

668
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: guillotine totally inadvisably and then essentially gave up top position.

669
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: He was beaten up in the clinch, and every time

670
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: he tried to throw something it was the same kind

671
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: of overhand punch or at a bare minimum, just a

672
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: left straight stuff that was coming. Excuse me, not even

673
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: a left straight, but just you know, these long range

674
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: punches that he was looking for. RDR was able to

675
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: get on top of it or get to the outside

676
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: of it because it was so predictable, right, He was

677
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: able to predict with great ease or counter with great

678
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: ease hasty things that Nicol was doing, or predictable things

679
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: that were easy to get around. Even in that final

680
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: knee that he hit him with, if you watch it

681
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: in the replay, he's actually pulling Nickel into it, using

682
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: Nichol's own momentum to then feed him the knee. He

683
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: knew he was going to be there for it, They

684
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: knew what he was going to throw when they were

685
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: going to put pressure on him, and they had all

686
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: the right answers. They audited him. That's the first problem.

687
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: The second problem that he has is that from a

688
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: public relation standpoint, as I mentioned, if he goes on

689
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: to do great things, how could you possibly call him

690
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: a fraud. But in so far as his readiness on

691
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: Saturday Night, he confirmed the suspicions of his skeptics. His

692
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: skeptics had believed that, you know, whatever his pedigree in

693
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: college and his athleticism, which probably no, I don't think

694
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: they'd really question that per se, but how that was

695
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: necessarily translating to mma. They were not convinced. They looked

696
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: at fights like that Paul Craig fight and you know,

697
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: I always wanting to look the other way because I

698
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: was like, well, you know, he was getting fifteen minutes

699
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: in there, and that's good experience, and he did want

700
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: to use his wrestling. There's going to be that's value

701
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: to build from. But then when you go when you

702
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: watch the strikes he was throwing in this one, BC,

703
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: it didn't look like he was building on anything. It

704
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: didn't look like there was a demonstrable difference not only

705
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: from that fight, but from fights excuse me, even earlier

706
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: in his career, skeptics have been wondering if he actually

707
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: was a as good as they thought and B progressing

708
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: in some kind of a direction. And RDR put a

709
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: stop to that pretty quickly, or the bare minimum, laid it,

710
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: laid it out for everyone to see that the skeptics

711
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: were probably onto something here big time, and that not

712
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: only hurts his stock, but it calls into question. I

713
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 1: can't answer this, and you can't answer this. We don't

714
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: know what's happening in training right. Only only the folks

715
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: who watch it can. But BC, it appears that something

716
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: is missing, something is off. And I think I think

717
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: you were definitely all you know what, we were both

718
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: we've both been big on RDR since he was a

719
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: double champ over in one. I mean the Mallekin fights,

720
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: those are toughest sis, right, we can all agree, but

721
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: he's he.

722
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 2: Got hit too much against GM three and I think

723
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: he fixed that yes too, and.

724
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: Then against Holland he just sees his flattened. Um. But

725
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: let's pitch it back to you. You were the one

726
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: who kind of saw this coming. So from your vantage point,

727
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: was it, oh, I'm just a huge believer in RDR,

728
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: Or is it I'm a believer in RDR, but I've

729
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: got these lingering skepticisms about Nickel.

730
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: It was seventy five to twenty five with the seventy

731
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: five believing in RIR compared to the actual experience that

732
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: bo Nickel had seven pro fights, two of them in

733
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: the Dana White Contender series, and a small handful of

734
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: fe UFC fights where he either finished someone so fast

735
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: we didn't get to actually see does he have a chin,

736
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: does he have cardio? Does he have IQ?

737
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: Can he adjust from adversity?

738
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: All the all the things that you need to see,

739
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: or he had fights like the last two were you

740
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: actually come out of there with questions. Now they're not

741
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: insincere questions. We understand how little MMA experience he actually has,

742
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: even with the big hype around him, but let's not

743
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: forget how big the hype around him actually was. Like

744
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: we were even kind of going, is this one of

745
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: those rare scenarios where you just rushed somebody to a

746
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 2: title shot three quick wins in just because they seem

747
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 2: like a special talent. I mean, he was showing us

748
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: that side of it. But the last two fights, really,

749
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: the last one is what bumped up that twenty five

750
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: percent of doubt I had coming in. I don't really

751
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: hold the Cody Brundage fight against him. I think Brundage

752
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: pushed the pace, hit him in ways other people hadn't

753
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: been able to, and kind of forced both to bite

754
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: down and get through it. But it was the Paul

755
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: craigfight that was maddening. I remember my analysis the next

756
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: day or two days later, our morning combat. It was

757
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna panic bo still was in control of

758
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: the fight. Still one carried it out on the terms

759
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 2: he was trying to, which is I'm not even gonna

760
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: lean on my strength, give me the experience here to

761
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: work on my craft. But I can't lie to you.

762
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: I had twenty five percent doubt on him coming in

763
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: because of the interviews he gave after that where it

764
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: sounded like he didn't understand the concern of the general public,

765
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: of the of the why wouldn't you lean in your

766
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: strength in a fight that's close to make sure that

767
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: you win it, or or just the It just felt

768
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: like he was disconnected. That's the term I used last week.

769
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: He was disconnected from the reality of the situation. And

770
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: then you have the footage and the instances of when

771
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: he said very grand things long islan. Look, can we

772
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 2: put up the one reference people are killing him about

773
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: right now about talking about Hamza chamayav on a podcast

774
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: I think it was on Aerils show withinm last year. Yeah,

775
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: the MMA. Hour before Ariel left there, he said it

776
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprising to me when I fight Hamza if

777
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: I'm like a minus one thousand favorite. He's also recently said,

778
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: you know, if he went in there against DDP right

779
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: now for the belt, he'd win in one sided fashion.

780
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: So I think when I mixed that with RDR. As

781
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: a true veteran this game, he's been sent to hell

782
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: by heavyweights. He's rebounded and fixed himself. And yes he's vulnerable,

783
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 2: Yes he's not well rounded. Yes he's prone to making

784
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: the mistakes like he did in the GM three fight

785
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: in his UFC debut where it didn't look like we're

786
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: looking at a future dark horse title challenger. But he

787
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 2: did make those adjustments against Holland, and I just didn't

788
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: have any form of foundation to sit on with confidence

789
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: that bo Now that he's at a level where it's

790
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: not just my a plan. My athletics is of my

791
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: ability to almost ronda rouse you. You get you directly

792
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: where I need you to be to finish you. Once

793
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: you lose that, when you step up and wait, you

794
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: need more. I questioned if he had that. It turns

795
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: out he didn't. But my biggest surprise, I guess I

796
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 2: want to say, is how aggressively the fan base turned

797
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: against him. I mean, then I told you no, no, no,

798
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: I didn't let me close, let me close with this.

799
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: I think the the re you laid out perfect reasons

800
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: why they were mad, but I think you missed the

801
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 2: maybe the most important one that that might have been

802
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: the thing that turned it's so aggressively negative, was he's

803
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: getting brock Lessner comparisons, and it's brock lesnar you know,

804
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: after the surgery, when he just likes you hit him

805
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: once hard in the face, the fight's gonna go in

806
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: your direction. He's gonna fall apart. Like fans are questioning

807
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: now based on how much he sort of self conbusted

808
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: there in the finish, whether he's really about this game

809
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: when it's not him delivering his a you know, him

810
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: him being the front runner and dominating, and whether he

811
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: has the toughness or want because I think a lot

812
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: of people are taking his inactivity and saying maybe he

813
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: doesn't have the passion to get in there and improve

814
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: and fight six times a year like a hot prospect

815
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: in his spot might want to or might or should

816
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: have in a lot of ways. And I look when

817
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: then when they see him effectively quit from strikes that

818
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: you wouldn't think would break him against the guy who

819
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: you're not expecting to break him at all in the

820
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: striking department, I think that's the thing that that brought

821
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: out the frauds.

822
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 12: Uh.

823
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: You know what's that yardstick? Look the the is it

824
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: called a hoe? Look if you ever put two hands

825
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: around a hoe that people are cut hands around a

826
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 2: bunch of hoes, Ellie.

827
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you.

828
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 2: Gotta admit it. The fact that he couldn't take that

829
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: the first sign of.

830
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: Legitimate I disagree with this. I disagree with it, and broke, dude,

831
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: I disagree with this. Now. I agree with the part

832
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: you said before. I mean, I did again you all

833
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: the credits that you see, you saw this one coming. Salute.

834
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: You got a good one here. But I did say

835
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: on Friday, and you and long Isle disagree with me.

836
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, the fan base like like, there's like

837
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: seething resentment about this guy. And that's what I think

838
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: you saw after he lost. For the reasons you articulated

839
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: that there were some of the comparisons were kind of nuts,

840
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, and and it led to all kinds of pushback.

841
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: They just don't like the the UFC favoring somebody, and

842
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: then they start to doubt whether or not they are

843
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: deserving of that favoritism, which is weird because MMA fans

844
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: used to kind of like this, you know. I used

845
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: to like it when they did it for Paige van Zant.

846
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: They used to like it when they did it for

847
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: Stage north cut Hell. They loved it when it happened

848
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: for Connor McGregor. And as I remind everybody, for folks

849
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: out there who think Connor McGregor didn't get it, like

850
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: numerous instances on his rise up of favorable matchmaking, you're

851
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: out of your fucking mind. He absolutely did. The difference

852
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: was he made good on it. He he took it

853
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 1: and was like thanks for the assist. To the point

854
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: you raised, here comes the ali oup. He didn't mess

855
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: it up at all, and so that turned him into

856
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: a legend as a consequence for his fighting exploits. But

857
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: but this was the resentment for Bow was kind of

858
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: easy to see coming. Here's what I will say, though

859
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: I don't my problem is this, we should talk about

860
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: the fight a little bit. BC. Sure, here was my problem.

861
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: Go let's talk about the strikes that Bo was throwing.

862
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: Constant this constant wide hooks.

863
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 2: I liked the overhand elbow, that short overhand right elbow.

864
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: That he had a couple. He had a couple, and

865
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: again he had that one Ucci mada which turned RDR

866
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: and then he ankle picked him over. That was nice,

867
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: That was sick. My job well done. Obviously he can wrestle,

868
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: but he didn't make much use of it. And here's

869
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: the here's the problem. Number one, he sits for the guillotine.

870
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought the Rousy comparison. Rousy was

871
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: like this lightning in a bottle moment where she would

872
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: throw these women and they didn't know, like literally what

873
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: way was up, and then she'd armbarm before they even

874
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: had a chance to do anything because she was taking

875
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: like that Judo style of competition into fighting and it

876
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: was electric. But then if you stopped that, there was

877
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: there was nothing like she completely fell apart. Take a

878
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: look at Amanda Nunez, take a look at Holly Holm,

879
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: you know whatever, both sitting to the like like it's

880
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: a low a low fighting IQ move to do that,

881
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: or even if it's not, it's certainly it's certainly the

882
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: result of somebody who is not experienced, like sitting to

883
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: a guillotine like that, unless your lights out against a

884
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: guy who's a known submission specialist, you know, when you

885
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: don't need to. You had just reversed position to get

886
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: to a you know, to like a front headlock series.

887
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: This is your chance to step away basically, and instead

888
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: he sits underneath and like what good was that? Or

889
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: excuse me, and this was RDR world of the arm bar.

890
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: And then they get to the position and then he

891
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: does it, and so the ultimately he gets pinned. So

892
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: like you know, you see like he's making these offensive decisions. BC.

893
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: We're like, oh, if I just do this, it will work. Right,

894
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: If I just throw this punch, it will work. If

895
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: I just take this takedown, it will happen. I don't

896
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: know how much resistance he's getting in the training room,

897
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: at a bare minimum, like the kind of resistance that

898
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: he needs. He seems to think that if he just executes,

899
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: it's just all gonna work. And you could that's why

900
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: you can just blow through these guys who are.

901
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: To illustrate what you're saying. He seems delusional. It's the

902
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: same thing I thought in the aftermath of the Paul craigfight.

903
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 2: He just didn't seem to have a full way of

904
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: illustrating and explaining why there was criticism against him, almost

905
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: like I've got this.

906
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: You think it's like if I just if I, oh,

907
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: if I just do X, why will happen? And an

908
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: experienced fighter knows like, okay, you might want to do X,

909
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: you might not actually, but if you do. There's a

910
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: whole range of things that can happen. Let's make a

911
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: smarter call about this.

912
00:44:59,160 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 3: He's not doing it.

913
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: And then when I go to the punches, BC, he

914
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: was so predictable with what he was going to throw.

915
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: It was wide, it was long, it was looping, it

916
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: was leaning. Every time they knew he was going to

917
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: do that, they knew it and they had planned around it.

918
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 4: And BC.

919
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: Even in the clinch, there are times where yes, RDR

920
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: is engaging him and you have to find a way out.

921
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: He had one good to his credit, bo Nicol had

922
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: one good clinch break. I think you mentioned the elbow

923
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: that he had thrown there. That was nice. But then

924
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: there are other times where they're clinching. For example, when

925
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: he gets the back, he does the throw by. When

926
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: when RDR tries to do that like takedown in the

927
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: second round, Bonnicchol wisely throws him by and gets the

928
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: gets the back, RDR stands, tries to peel the hands,

929
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: can't do it, but creates enough space to turn. So

930
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: now they are turned, and the instant that they're turned,

931
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: it's like dude, break away push off and he just

932
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: stands there and doesn't do anything. And that's the first

933
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: really hard knee that RDR lands. He had of course

934
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: landed other knees prior, but that one was the first one.

935
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: If you actually look at the sequence of events that

936
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: led to the finish, that's the first one. And he

937
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: did it because he was just standing there fighting on

938
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: the other guy's terms. He didn't have his own offensive identity.

939
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: And this is the point I want to make, Like

940
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: I watch now, for whatever reason, more regional MMA than

941
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: I ever have a or at least in some time.

942
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you the difference between prospects that have

943
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: a functional job and ones that don't. And I know

944
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: that this was too much too soon for bo Nickel,

945
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: but it's like, dude, you've got to have a series

946
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: of foundational strikes that enable you to define the range,

947
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: define the terms of the exchange, allow you to move,

948
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: allow you to score damage, all the things that a

949
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: job or a you know, a really reliable kicking game

950
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: in different ways can do. And I didn't see any

951
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: of that show.

952
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 12: No.

953
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: Cory Anderson had some great tweets about that about how

954
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: all a spot you know, wrestlers turn MMA don't if

955
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: you don't build that foundation out of that job right

956
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: in the beginning and go to boxing gyms and cross

957
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: train on that you're gonna be behind the eight ball.

958
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: We saw it.

959
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: But to bring all the point back home, Luke, I

960
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: still feel like if he didn't act so poorly under

961
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: fire and then give in and go, I feel like

962
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: people would be like, benefit of the dow, give him

963
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: a chance. It's m hold no, one get hold on.

964
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: Nobody gets good until the third or fourth loss. Anyway,

965
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: I feel like he would have been receiving some sympathy.

966
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: I think that's the turning point where everybody was like, nah,

967
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: f this.

968
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: Guy, Okay do you I I believe I believe that

969
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: that need to deliver would have dropped a lot of guys.

970
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: I don't see that as Nickel unusually imploding or even quitting.

971
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: Oh so you think the whole finish was like as

972
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: you're watching a real time there was no thought in

973
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: your head like wow that was quick or.

974
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, yes, yes, here's the problem. So

975
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: again he goes for the back of RDR. They stand.

976
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: RDR tries to break the hands, doesn't, but uses that

977
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: to create space and turns, and then he he sticks

978
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: them with that knee and that sets up basically the

979
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: beginning of the end. There were several other knees after it,

980
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: but that was the first real hard one. As I indicated,

981
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: it looked to me BC. If you, first of all,

982
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: if you've never been hit by a knee in your

983
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: solar plexus or your liver, I don't know how to

984
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: explain it. It's not just a function of does it hurt.

985
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: It is immobilizing. It is hard to literally move other

986
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 1: than to ball up. They like your body in some ways,

987
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: almost takes control of you. This is why when he

988
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: folded like that, I don't have a problem with it.

989
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean I he was done like well, if he's comparing.

990
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: It to a liver punch and boxing, which it seems

991
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 2: like you are, I certainly understand.

992
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: Hold on, let me, let me, let me let me

993
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: just yes, yes, but let me just connect the dots.

994
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: What I will say, BC, is how about he hits

995
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: them with another knee bow, retreats to the fence, and

996
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: then you remember this sequence. RDR has one underhook and

997
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: he's just kind of pounded on him with these small shots,

998
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: and BO is doing nothing to defend except lightly walk

999
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: to his right. Do you remember that sequence?

1000
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: So that it looked like he didn't even know where

1001
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: he was orbatly.

1002
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: That was the moment where I was like, he's never

1003
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: been here before, he's.

1004
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: He doesn't get hit in practice. Yeah, So, Luke, you're

1005
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: sometimes you play the voice of the fans, sometimes you

1006
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: play the voice of the degenerate. But do you feel

1007
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: like it's fair everyone's dunking on bow right now? I'm

1008
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: not asking you if that's fair. I'm saying within that dunking,

1009
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: is it fair to label not as a quitter? But

1010
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: as as soon as it got hard, that dude was gone.

1011
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1012
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 5: To be honest, I want to just say, straight up,

1013
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 5: call me a casual, call me whatever. In the moment,

1014
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 5: I didn't think that was an early stoppage or anything.

1015
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 5: I was just like, oh shit, rdy R is the

1016
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 5: better fighter. Bo Nichols kind of got.

1017
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: Solved there, and that partially true for sure, that's a

1018
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 2: yeah part of it.

1019
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 4: But uh, to see so many people be like, oh

1020
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 4: he quit, he quit.

1021
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 5: Now, I'm going back to Luke being like the whole

1022
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 5: fan base hates him, and I'm almost like, I feel

1023
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 5: like people are being kind of harsh here, but also

1024
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 5: he he's clearly one dimensional and needs some work.

1025
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: But like Long Island Luke, here's my read on it.

1026
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: Like I do think the fans are being a little

1027
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: bit mean. But again he kind of you know, I mean,

1028
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: it wasn't like he was reserved and how he talked

1029
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: about himself for all this time. Here's what I think.

1030
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: I don't think he quit, but what I do think

1031
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: is his resistance to pressure is so he hasn't worked

1032
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: on it at all that it just almost instantly collapsed.

1033
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: Like all the levels of defense and and and and

1034
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: resiliency that he's supposed to have, it just melted under

1035
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: pressure because already are knew exactly what buttons to push

1036
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: at just the right time, you know.

1037
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's show the Henry Suhudo tweet. This was the

1038
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: only kind of support that I saw that bogat publicly,

1039
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: and so Hudo said, the wrestling world is taken a

1040
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: hit today. Keep your head up, bo, this is not

1041
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 2: the end. I got finished by DJ with a similar

1042
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: body shot, and I went on to avenge that loss

1043
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: and become champion. You are cape doing the same. Get

1044
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: back on your horse, brother. Certainly I liked the bushido

1045
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: and the support element there. So Hudo also makes a point,

1046
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: Luke that although we never looked at him as sort

1047
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: of remedial as we look at Bowden Nickel offensively right now.

1048
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: Outside of the wrestling, it did take suhudo a bit

1049
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: where his care levels were called into concern. He had

1050
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 2: weight issues. He got to a certain point where he

1051
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: was like sub elite and had that fight of the

1052
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: year with Benavidez, but really needed to retool to get

1053
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: to the position where he was two division champion and

1054
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: one of the all time greats at this point. I'm

1055
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 2: not saying we should declare that bowl will never win

1056
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: a fight again and never be good at all, but

1057
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: I'm leaning more toward that than any other combination. How

1058
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,959
Speaker 2: much is Henry's suhudo right here, though, that he really

1059
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 2: could get busy in the gym, start fighting three four

1060
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: times a year and maybe we'll put this in the

1061
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: in the rear view mirror. I can't figure out if

1062
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 2: this is Edmund Shabazian or not. That's where I'm going

1063
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: with it.

1064
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's Edmund Schabasian.

1065
00:51:59,160 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 6: I don't.

1066
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: I didn't get dude, we haven't even talked about this,

1067
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: but like, we have to spend some time talking about

1068
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: how fucking awesome RDR is and dude, RDR, you know

1069
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: is so experienced and has so much offense that like

1070
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: that was a In the end, I was like, oh

1071
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: when we on Friday, I was like, great matchmaking. In

1072
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: the end, I was like, bro, they didn't do Bo

1073
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: Nickel any favors. I mean, they just didn't.

1074
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: But I don't I.

1075
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: Don't believe people have tried and including here Henry being like,

1076
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: oh I lost to to DJ and then I came

1077
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: back and won and I was all this, you know,

1078
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: I was much better. I think, you know, the comparison

1079
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: to BO is a little bit overstated. But I will

1080
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: say this BC. I will say this, so if you

1081
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: go and look at Henry's record, not only does he

1082
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: lose to Demitrius Johnson via a terrible stoppages to indicate

1083
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: he tries to come back against Benavidez loses that one

1084
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: to via split. Now I thought he won it, but

1085
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: it was split. But the point being is he has

1086
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: this kind of a setback. He didn't get his first

1087
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: UFC stoppage until after that. It wasn't it was the

1088
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: karate stance that he abuted against Wilson Hayes, and he

1089
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: fucked Hayes up right. It was the reinvention from this

1090
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: terrible setback he'd been suffering that turned him into what

1091
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: would eventually become Triple C. This is what I mean,

1092
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: and I started the whole conversation this way. Ultimately, whether

1093
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: or not he got fraud checked bow Nickel will all

1094
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: will only depend on how he chooses to use this

1095
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: moment and what it means for his training. And he

1096
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: might lose again, just like Sahudo lost back to back,

1097
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: But if it ultimately is a reinvention, we're gonna look

1098
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: back and say, you know what, he was a little

1099
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: bit ahead of himself, but he lost to a great

1100
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: fighter and he figured it all out. All's well. That

1101
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: could end well depending on how he takes it.

1102
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 2: Well, well said, Let's go to that RDR full screen graphic.

1103
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: This is what he has accomplished in six months as

1104
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: a UFC fighter. Submission win over Gerald Meershard, first round

1105
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: submission win over Kevin holland second round stoppage of bow Nickel.

1106
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 2: That six months, Luke, he has gone from people going

1107
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: who is that guy? To us going He's he's at

1108
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: least a dark horse title challenger. But is he showing

1109
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 2: you look that he could be on his way to

1110
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: like absolutely legit, knock on the door. He could be,

1111
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, is it one or two wins away?

1112
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 2: Where are we at right now in this arc?

1113
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how far he is away, but

1114
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: not far. I think two wins maybe three at the most.

1115
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: But I don't think they're gonna do that. I think

1116
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna let him have a couple of you know,

1117
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: top five ish top seven ish wins and that might

1118
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: be enough to get the job done, depending on how

1119
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: things go. Dude, what a breath of fresh.

1120
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 2: Air he is?

1121
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: Huh, like this is so great.

1122
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 2: He got a great tan too. I mean, oh yeah, I.

1123
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: Mean Florida is doing him some wonders. He didn't get

1124
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: in that tan and roderdamn, I can tell you that.

1125
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: But uh, he is such a nice addition to the

1126
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: middleweight division. He's a nice addition to the sport and

1127
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: BC here's to the USC More broadly, this is what

1128
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: I love about him, like he do. He had offense everywhere, everywhere, everywhere.

1129
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: There was nowhere Nickel could hide. And that's what that's

1130
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: that's what Nicol didn't I think understand about the Paul craigfight.

1131
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: It's like you have places to hide in this fight

1132
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: where he can't touch you, and you're not really touching him,

1133
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: but you know there's no danger coming your way. Dude,

1134
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: what did what did RDR do? Whoosh right up to

1135
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: his face and both rounds and absolutely took control of it.

1136
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: He goes for submissions, he goes for sweeps. He's got

1137
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: dynamite knees in the clinch, He'll strike with you at range.

1138
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: He's got good finishing instincts. Obviously we need I say

1139
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: more about his submission prowess. Dude, what a fun addition.

1140
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: Credit to the UFC on this one, right, because they

1141
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: passed on Soliding Parnass and they passed on any number

1142
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: of other prospects. You're like, dude, what's going on here? Well,

1143
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 1: they didn't pass on RDR. He is breathing life into Yeah,

1144
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: there's fun at the top of middleweight, but he is

1145
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: a welcome addition at a bare minimum, and he is

1146
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: fun and he wants the smoke. What more are you

1147
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 1: asking for this guy? And I'm glad you said at BC.

1148
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: I would be very surprised if he doesn't contend for

1149
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: a title. How soon, I don't know, but I think

1150
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: he will.

1151
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's making big moves, and I think

1152
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: here's the clear change for him. When I used to

1153
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 2: interview him when he was with One, he would speak

1154
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: very directly about his path, and you know, he had

1155
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 2: big goals. He wanted to be a three division champion

1156
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 2: in one. He wanted to go up to heavyweight and

1157
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: beat all those guys. And after especially the first match

1158
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: with Malakoff, when he just got beaten, I mean like

1159
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 2: a drum. He was really humbled by that. He now,

1160
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: when I interviewed him out of his UFC debut, he

1161
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 2: talked about really like that was the turning point moment

1162
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: in his career where he had to get back to reality.

1163
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 2: So when he talked about coming into this UFC run,

1164
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 2: he was telling me exclusively, I'm just kind of fun.

1165
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna put any pressure on myself in terms

1166
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 2: of where I'm going. Yeah, I want to fight for

1167
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: a title, but if I don't get there, that's fine.

1168
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 2: I just want to go out there and have fun

1169
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: and be with the top play organization. Dude. Maybe it

1170
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: was that switch to not caring as much that's put

1171
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: him in this position. He took fights on short notice,

1172
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: He's got three wins in six months, and now we

1173
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: had a pretty damn good call. Here is RDR after

1174
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 2: the fight at the press conference saying who he wants next?

1175
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 8: So after the fight, you called out Sean Strickland.

1176
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 7: I mean, that's obviously an interesting guy to cool out

1177
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 7: and bring into your life because you're probably gonna have

1178
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 7: three months of abuse and hatred towards you.

1179
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 8: What is it about the Sean Strickland fight that I

1180
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 8: see you so much?

1181
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: I think I might be regretting it in a little bit. Yeah, but.

1182
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 12: Now, as I said in the cage, this was the

1183
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 12: best American wrestler, Let's do the best American striker. I

1184
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 12: like Sean. He's a funny dude. He's a real character.

1185
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 12: And is he still he's top five?

1186
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 9: Right?

1187
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: Like what rankings? Three?

1188
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: Four?

1189
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1190
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 12: But and I think it's an interesting matchup style wise.

1191
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 12: He is a very good job. I don't think my

1192
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 12: job is too bad.

1193
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would like that fighter, would really like that fight.

1194
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 8: Do you have a timeline for when you would like

1195
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 8: to do that fight?

1196
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: Next week? Montreal, baby, let's go.

1197
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 8: Congratulations on the one when.

1198
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 2: There look just just some times you gotta say fuck

1199
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: it and just go for it.

1200
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 13: Right.

1201
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: It's kind of what he's doing, don't you think, though.

1202
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the one impediment to this would be that

1203
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: they does the UFC want to punt on Izzy Strickland two.

1204
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: That's a big fight, at least promotionally. It's a big fight.

1205
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: They're not gonna skip that's right. So that's what he's

1206
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: kind of up against. But nevertheless, I mean, you know,

1207
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: I was looking to see when that GM three fight

1208
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 1: it was in November. I was gonna say to myself, Jesus,

1209
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: could you imagine if he did all of this? I know,

1210
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: six months, but you know, could you imagine if it

1211
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: was all in twenty twenty five? He would be like

1212
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: already a lock for Fighter of the Year or something.

1213
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: It's just an insane, you know run that he's on.

1214
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: Either way, I don't even care what is next, as

1215
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: long as it's some kind of escalation. Dude, give him

1216
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: Fluffy Hernandez, give him Brendan Allen. Any of these fights

1217
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: are freaking awesome. Make it because he is a guaranteed deliverer.

1218
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 2: Would you hate him against a Vittori who's on kind

1219
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: of coming down at the moment. I mean, and I

1220
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't.

1221
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: Know if that would now now that one, that one,

1222
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate it. I don't know if that's the

1223
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: best choice, but I wouldn't hate it.

1224
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you on that one. Good stuff, Luke.

1225
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 2: Let's we spent a lot of time on this comin event,

1226
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: probably for rifle reasons, but we do have to mention

1227
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: a few other things that happened there. Jeremy Stevens tying

1228
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: Clay Guida's UFC record with nineteen losses even though we

1229
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 2: got main card treatment, got a big pop from the crowd,

1230
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: fought like a badass through head kicks and blood, but

1231
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: would fall the Mason Jones. Now, this is Stevens falling

1232
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: to one, nine and one in his last eleven MMA bouts.

1233
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: In hindsight, are you okay with him getting like the

1234
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: hometown victory lap he was in this fight, But that's

1235
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 2: a gaudy bad record now with nineteen all time ls.

1236
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I mean, this is one of those ones

1237
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: where like I think I can, I can definitely look

1238
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: the other way this time. Right, It's the Iowa thing.

1239
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: He's been there for a long time or was there

1240
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: a long time? And also like when they were exchanging

1241
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: on the feet but taking the second round BC, he

1242
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: was given Mason Jones some problems. I mean again, I've

1243
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: seen the scores thirty twenty seven across the board, but

1244
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: like Jones took that fight to the third round, to

1245
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: the ground in the third round for a very particular reason,

1246
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: and it's fine. But like Stevens, you can see why

1247
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: he's still got a lot of life left if he's

1248
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: boxing Josealdo or doing BKFC. I think he's still a

1249
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: very viable competitor. But to the point you raise in

1250
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: MMA at this level, it doesn't make sense anymore, Luke.

1251
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 2: We never talked about strawweight Jillian Robertson, but we might

1252
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 2: want to start. She retired Marina Hadriguez on Saturday by

1253
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 2: second round TKO. She's also improved to six and one

1254
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: since twenty twenty two, and if we can show the picture,

1255
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 2: she's very cannabis friendly, Luke, I mean, look, this division

1256
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 2: has seen better days, but she's kind of becoming a

1257
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 2: refreshing story in there is she not?

1258
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: I didn't see this one coming. I'll just be honest

1259
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: with you, I didn't see it coming, and here she is,

1260
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: and she's starting to get a win streak where you're like, man,

1261
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: she might be undeniable at this point in terms of

1262
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: like the meritocracy or the where she rais's in terms

1263
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: of the title shot Q this is this is dude.

1264
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: She she demolished Marina Hardriguez, like she beat the shit

1265
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: out of her. And to the point you raised a

1266
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: minor setback in this broader wind streak that she's been on.

1267
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: But otherwise is does out here dealing putting away some

1268
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: big names too, Like she's got a little bit of that,

1269
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, if you look at her record, BC, she's

1270
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: got a little bit of that Joaquin Buckley thing going

1271
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: on where she beats uh no, that's not quite right. Well,

1272
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: a little halfway halfway she beats you know, Michelle Watterson

1273
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: Gomez kind of a name in that division that Marina Hadriguez,

1274
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: certainly not less than a name, but more of a stalwart.

1275
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: Not quite comparison's a bit stretched. But the point I'm

1276
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,439
Speaker 1: trying to make here is that's what you're calling yeah,

1277
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: something like that. But the point I'm trying to make

1278
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: is BC. Here, by the way, Dean Thomas. Look, look

1279
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: what he's been doing for Sean Brady. I mean, all

1280
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: credit to Sean, he's amazing. But you know, Kevin Dean

1281
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Speaker 1: probably hasn't hurt and Dean Thomas has been in the

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01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: corner of Jillian Robinson for a long time. Man, she

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Speaker 1: is really starting to put something special here together. I

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01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: would not be for sure she's gonna contend for a title.

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01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: And do we really feel like that gets out of

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01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: the question she could win it. I don't. I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that at all.

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Speaker 2: She'd have to. There's another step up in terms of

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Speaker 2: like a stalwart, an elite that's been there that she's

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Speaker 2: gonna have to be. And if she can get there,

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01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 2: then I'll then I'll believe. But I've never believed in

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01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 2: her this much after seeing like the attitude, the swagger,

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Speaker 2: the way she's carrying herself. She's figured out how to

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Speaker 2: get the best out of herself, and that's what we

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Speaker 2: want for any every single fighter, you know. So that's

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Speaker 2: great to see. Shout out to de Rod Daniel Ardriguez

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Speaker 2: stopping Santiago Ponzinibbio creating that fun picture of d Rod

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Speaker 2: celebrating while Ponzi is leaning. Also, Killer Miller coming off

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01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 2: of a two year layoff, got gotta win. It was

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01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: gross and the curtain jerker, Luke Thomas, anything else in

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Speaker 2: this undercard? Do you want to highlight.

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Speaker 1: The ASA Matt Bakoyev fight against Ryan Loder BC. Ryan

1303
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: Loder doesn't even have a Wikipedia entry and he won

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01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: the old Simate fighter.

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Speaker 4: Did you know that?

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01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: I did not know that? Years old?

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01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: Now, Luke anyway asked him at mcoy have punched his

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01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: lights out in two and a half minutes, basically in

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01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: the first round. I don't know much about him, but

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Speaker 1: they looked pretty good. So let's see a little bit more.

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01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: We could always use, you know, another another exciting entrant

1312
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: into the middleweight sweepstakes. I suppose Long Island.

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Speaker 2: Luke, you love the undercards, you love the main card minute,

1314
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 2: you love the green stuff. But who'd you love on

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01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 2: this card?

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Speaker 14: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Good, good call, Luke? Shouting out boy. I got to

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01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 4: give a shout out to Kwang Lee Kuang Lee. He

1319
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 4: rear naked, choked, Gaston out cold.

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Speaker 1: That was that was sick.

1321
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 4: Also, he was an underdog, so that.

1322
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 2: Was I like this card overall.

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01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it.

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01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: It was fine, dude.

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01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 5: It started really strong. As soon as Jeremy Stevens got

1326
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 5: taken down in round three, it hit like a weird

1327
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 5: hour and a half lull and then it came back alive.

1328
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 2: Did it did to that point?

1329
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: To that point, long, Luke, Like round three of Jeremy Stevens,

1330
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: it goes quiet for the next two fights, and then

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Speaker 1: even to the first two rounds of the d Rod

1332
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Speaker 1: Ponzinibio fight, it was kind of quiet, but then he

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01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,439
Speaker 1: polishes them off in the third and then it picked

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01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: up the rest of the way. It was like that.

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Speaker 1: That was the bracketing round three of Jones and Stevens,

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01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: round three of Ponzinibio.

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Speaker 5: D Run, Yeah, and that was like a two hours going,

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01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 5: oh god, this card is getting brutal, but it came

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01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 5: back around.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, we got a lot to transition to now

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01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 2: in the box game. But before we do that, reminder

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Speaker 2: Lucas time to let Total Wireless be the pat Berry

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Speaker 2: in your corner. You know what I'm talking about.

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01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: If it makes me a champion, that's what That's what

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01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 2: That's the most Luke, you're the best. All right, Hey,

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01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 2: let's go to topic number three. Although although shout out

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Speaker 2: to Niowa in a way and Ramon Cardinas on Sunday

1378
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 2: Night's top ranked card, which I don't know if saved

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01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 2: the weekend is the right verbiage, but gave us something

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01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 2: to enjoy and talk about what was otherwise a monstrous

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01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 2: bust for Cinco de Mayo and the ambitious plans, at

1382
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 2: least in this weekend of Turkey Ala Chic one week

1383
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,919
Speaker 2: after Turkey kicked off his new The Ring series after

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01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 2: buying Ring Magazine and you know, refurbishing the brand to

1385
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 2: a much greater height. When we saw Chris you Bank

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01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: and Connor Ben give us the fight of the year.

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01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 2: Turkey brought that ambition into this weekend, but he didn't

1388
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 2: have the same results in this multi continent two day

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01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 2: that was Friday in Times Square and then Canelo Alvarez

1390
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 2: leading the charge on Saturday in Riod. But there were

1391
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:11,439
Speaker 2: a lot of issues here. Mostly Three of the six

1392
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 2: worst and most boring fights in kampio box history happened

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01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 2: on Turkey Alos sheet cards on back to back nights.

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Speaker 2: Three of total combined punches thrown the fewest, including the

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Speaker 2: number one all time of a twelve round bout Canelo

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01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 2: versus William Skull School excuse me, and Canelo also, by

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01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: the way, in a single performance throwing the least amount

1398
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 2: of punches in twelve round CompuBox history. So look, we

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01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 2: saw lack of urgency, We saw multiple starfighters see their

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01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 2: their marketability kind of plummet at least for the minute,

1401
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 2: and we saw I can't miss Garcia Hani rematch. Go

1402
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 2: from you know we need it now to maybe unnecessarily

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01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 2: and unwanted. So from the debacle of the Times Square

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01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 2: being contested behind Big fen Is with billionaires on the

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01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 2: inside and influencers to Canelos School going on at six

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01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 2: am local time in front of less than four thousand

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01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 2: people in Saudi Arabia. How would you grade as a

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01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 2: whole what has typically been boxing's biggest weekend of the

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Speaker 2: calendar year after what we saw the last three nights.

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01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 2: F whoa, whoa.

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01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 1: That's not even not an in a way curve, I'll

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01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: give that single. Okay, here's what I'm gonna say, in

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01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: a way, Cardenas, I'll give an a a two. I'll

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01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: give an a two. But that's how bad the first

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01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: two nights were. They're so bad that I can respect. Like,

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01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: if you guys didn't see the Naway fight last night,

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01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: it's fucking great, Like, go see it. He gets dropped

1418
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: in the second and then rot rallies is a strong word,

1419
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: but then kind of surges late and then basically just

1420
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: ends up, you know, having an Abomba on the guy.

1421
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: But like, you know, it's drama the whole way through.

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01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: It's it's fantastic, But that's how bad the first Like literally,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you this, folks. Arguably for Friday and Saturday night,

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01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: or at least if you're just counting even Saturday night,

1425
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: arguably one of the worst weekends in modern boxing history,

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01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: if not the worst that's what we're talking about here,

1427
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: a disaster in every possible way that it essentially could

1428
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,839
Speaker 1: have been a nightmare BC, and it was a nightmare,

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01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: I think in two different ways. Right. Partly the issue

1430
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: is Canelo is clearly just going through the motions school

1431
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,879
Speaker 1: or skull, I mean, school is just a Hispanic pronunciation.

1432
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: But whatever he could he had, he had no belief

1433
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 1: he could win, and it was obviously.

1434
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Speaker 2: I thought he was winning, Luke, that was the problem.

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01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 2: He thought he was winning.

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Speaker 1: He claimed he thought he was winning. He wasn't winning,

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01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: do he. I don't mind hit and not get hit fighters,

1438
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 1: but in his case, you have to hit. It's not

1439
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: good enough to just not get hit, and he wasn't

1440
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,759
Speaker 1: doing that, and that was to me driving me absolutely insane,

1441
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:09,759
Speaker 1: and Canel obc he's I don't know if he's finished.

1442
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: I know, maybe that's a little bit of a strong word, but.

1443
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna ask you specific questions about that.

1444
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:14,799
Speaker 1: In a second.

1445
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 2: I wanted to kind of put a.

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01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: Wrap overall overall what was supposed to be a weekend

1447
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: that kind of highlights both the Mexican American contribution to boxing,

1448
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: but you know, highlights boxing more broadly, to MEBC it did.

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01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: It did a little bit the opposite. They created a

1450
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: series of events that pulled boxing out of the context

1451
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: in what makes boxing special. It is not a coincidence

1452
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 1: that you know. Listen, no one thought Cardenas was like

1453
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: the guy to challenge in a way, but they at

1454
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: least had the decency to put it in a big arena.

1455
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: They had the decency to put it on linear television.

1456
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: They made it accessible to some degree. I mean, you

1457
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: could argue with the promoter in what ESPN did for

1458
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: him putting a power for pound talent at ten PM

1459
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: on a Sunday, but even that is better than just

1460
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: putting it behind a paywall on Dizonne or BC putting

1461
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 1: it behind a weird red curtain that like. I was

1462
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: talking with another MMA media member about this over text

1463
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: and he was like, Oh, it feels like a COVID show.

1464
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, it feels like the Palace of Versailles, where

1465
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: the pores are on the outside who can't enjoy anything,

1466
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 1: and they're just walled off to what the the insiders

1467
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,560
Speaker 1: and the elite get to enjoy at the expense of

1468
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 1: everybody else. And then they're taking Canelo out of the

1469
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: thing that kind of makes him Canelo, and they're putting

1470
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: it in this other context and it was a duds.

1471
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: You nobody there, see nobody there boxing culture to you know,

1472
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 1: especially on Sinco de Mayo. It is Mexican culture. I mean,

1473
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 1: I'm not the I'm not the expert on Mexican culture.

1474
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm just an observer from Afar. But it's like, if

1475
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: you've ever seen Sinco Demayo with Canelo in Vegas or whatever, Bro,

1476
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: it's unfucking mistakable what that is. And if you take

1477
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: the things that make boxing work in those ways and

1478
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,719
Speaker 1: you remove it, it doesn't work the same anymore.

1479
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't.

1480
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 2: And shout out to in a way and Cardiness, as

1481
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 2: you mentioned, shout out to that crowd at T Mobile Arena.

1482
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 2: I believe they got about eight thousand, but it was

1483
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 2: a it was a strong shout.

1484
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1485
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 2: And and and you know, obviously the fight's delivered. But

1486
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 2: what I watched on Friday and Saturday, this ain't it.

1487
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 1: This ain't it.

1488
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 2: And I know, like you know, if you've read Thomas

1489
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 2: Hauser's piece on The Guardian about sort of the behind

1490
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 2: the scenes story of Turkey getting Times Square and getting

1491
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:40,440
Speaker 2: cleared from the major many many hurdles by the city. Ultimately,

1492
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the things they got criticized

1493
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 2: for the high fences and stuff like that, it turned

1494
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 2: out to be out of their control. But they stuck

1495
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 2: stubbornly to putting it in Times Square. And I get

1496
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 2: the the novelty of it.

1497
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 1: I was for it.

1498
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 2: I get all that, but it stopped being about boxing

1499
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 2: at all, and it kind of stopped being about the boxers,

1500
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 2: even though these were the guys that sold this big event, right.

1501
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 2: All the fantastic trash talk between Ryan and Garcia, and

1502
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 2: not against his opponent really, but to Devin Haney and

1503
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 2: the Cole Maine to teo femo for, you know, to

1504
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 2: tease a future fight above the one they're already teasing.

1505
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 2: I love a lot of that, but I don't love

1506
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 2: the execution at how this was rolled out. We tried

1507
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 2: to give you the benefit of the doubt for the

1508
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 2: things come in that we didn't like that were potentially damaging,

1509
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 2: which is, you're making people buy three pay per views

1510
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 2: in eight days on the Zone, even with like a

1511
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 2: ten dollars discount. If you bundle like, you're still making

1512
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 2: them do things that are not in theory for the sport, right,

1513
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 2: This isn't on national television, this isn't on Netflix. It's

1514
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 2: behind the paywall on an app that only boxing fans

1515
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 2: have in the States anyway. And then you talk up

1516
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 2: this big game about how the public can enter, and

1517
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 2: you put out these pieces of artwork showing a ring

1518
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: in Times Square in every direction you see thousands of people.

1519
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 2: And whether it was your fault or not that it

1520
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 2: played out the way it did, it played out the

1521
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 2: worst possible way for you know, first impressions when you

1522
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 2: watch it large fences. The public couldn't even be behind

1523
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 2: the fences. They had to go a couple blocks down

1524
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 2: and watch on screens with or two screens with no sound.

1525
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 2: Media like we said earlier, weren't allowed in. It was

1526
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 2: billionaire connections, influencers, cool people. Okay, if it still delivered

1527
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 2: fun fights, we'd kind of be ridiculous sitting here critiquing

1528
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 2: it with such a fine tune pen. But here's the deal.

1529
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 2: It actually effed with the fights itself. It wasn't just

1530
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,839
Speaker 2: oh shit, man, Devin Haney put on the worst possible

1531
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 2: performance for his brand, although he got the win against

1532
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: Jose Ramirez, And what we thought was the worst fight

1533
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: we've ever seen until the fight after it. It was

1534
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 2: contagious across the board. An't know Brobosa and the tail

1535
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 2: fight barely let his hands go. However they they did

1536
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,560
Speaker 2: that it wasn't for the fighters or the sport, and

1537
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 2: I don't think it's ever been. I know you can

1538
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 2: argue capitalism and greed, is it ever for these power promoters? Well,

1539
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 2: if it's not, the real ones can see right through it.

1540
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 2: And one of those real ones is Timothy Bradley Junior,

1541
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame boxer, the top break announcer. He

1542
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 2: went on an epic rant. We captured part of it here.

1543
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 2: Even if I'm not like fully agreeing in every category

1544
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, I think this is the closest words

1545
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 2: that I've heard echoing what I feel in my heart

1546
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 2: about what riodd season has become. Because it's not just

1547
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 2: have you enjoyed the ride with Turkey or have you not?

1548
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 2: It's that you're now opening a new prism where you're

1549
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 2: gonna partner with the UFC and TKO, who have nothing

1550
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 2: but unhappy fans right now in MMA and pro wrestling,

1551
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 2: based on a lot of their tactics of late and

1552
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 2: now you're gonna take this sport and maybe create more

1553
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 2: weekends like this. Let's hear from Tim Bradley.

1554
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 15: Ider's own there. They don't have to passion, bro, they

1555
01:15:55,680 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 15: don't have to desire bro at all. Everybody is spoiled nowadays.

1556
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 15: These fighters are all spoiled. And it's all to y'all man,

1557
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 15: that y'all love all the y'all, y'all older, to y'all man,

1558
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 15: that y'all love all y'all all, y'all, all those.

1559
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 2: Guys out there, all the people that love loved is.

1560
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 3: Man that yall.

1561
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 15: I ain't say nothing, I ain't say no name but

1562
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 15: y'all A. But I'm just saying, spoiling these guys.

1563
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 13: Man.

1564
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 3: These guys are making way too much money.

1565
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 8: And I get it.

1566
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 3: They'll say, oh, ho money, money, money, money bro.

1567
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 15: To get that, to get that those type of performances, bro,

1568
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 15: Come on bro, no passion, no drive, no hunger. Fighters

1569
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:39,759
Speaker 15: are whack, straight up whack, all of them, straight trash whack.

1570
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 3: That was That was That was horrible to watch yesterday.

1571
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 16: Man.

1572
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 15: I was so angry man, And you can still see

1573
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 15: I'm so angry about it because I'm like, oh, that's

1574
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 15: all that's a that wasn't no boxing event.

1575
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 3: That wasn't a boxing event last night, Man, that was

1576
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 3: quote unquote entertainment.

1577
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 15: That's what that's That was the only thing that was

1578
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 15: attached to that entertainment with.

1579
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 3: No boxing event. That won, no real box event. Who

1580
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 3: the fuck shows up in the car?

1581
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 2: Bro?

1582
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 3: Who who does that?

1583
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: Bro?

1584
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 15: The whole event was just bizarre. It seemed like it

1585
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 15: was there exactly, Bro, because it was a flex. It

1586
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 15: was a flex.

1587
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 13: Bro.

1588
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,680
Speaker 15: That was a flex in New York's face. Bro, that

1589
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 15: was a straight up flex, man. All that's what that was,

1590
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 15: straight flex.

1591
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 3: Look what we can do. It wasn't about the fighters.

1592
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 3: The fighters were ponds, that's all. It was about the

1593
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:31,719
Speaker 3: fighters of pawns.

1594
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 2: Bro.

1595
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 3: The real agenda, you don't know the real agenda.

1596
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 15: But at the end of the day, I'll just say this, man,

1597
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 15: I never want to see something like that ever again.

1598
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 15: I never want to see something like that again. If

1599
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 15: you fight us, if you fighters are not passionate about

1600
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 15: about being the best out there, Bro, don't get in

1601
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 15: the ring.

1602
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 3: Don't don't get in the ring. Please don't get the ring.

1603
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 3: Save my time, Bro. That was so damn disappointing.

1604
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 12: Bro.

1605
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 15: You wasted my time last night, Bro, I was angry

1606
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 15: watching that trash anyways, from one front, So.

1607
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 2: That was before the Canelo fight card ever happened, which

1608
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 2: again Canelo would have been t Mobile Arena, Allegiant Stadium,

1609
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 2: Jerry World. Like wherever you put him in there, he

1610
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 2: draws a monstrous crowd, a huge live gate. It becomes

1611
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 2: a cultural event, it's a celebration for some of Mexican heritage,

1612
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 2: or for some just this is boxing super Bowl night,

1613
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,759
Speaker 2: and you took Canelo, put him in against the lowest

1614
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 2: profile opponent possible, even though I obviously understand what the

1615
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 2: goal was with undisputed there and the worst style matchup,

1616
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 2: and then we get a Canelo that didn't look like

1617
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 2: he cared that much. But it's also seven thirty am

1618
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 2: local time, like this is if it was if it

1619
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 2: was just Friday, I don't think we could be there's

1620
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 2: a limit to our criticism. But these back to back

1621
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 2: nights they just kind of showed like if this is

1622
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 2: the future of where boxing's going. And then on top

1623
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 2: of it, we're only going to add in TKO and

1624
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 2: Dana White and the recent tone of how UFC has

1625
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 2: been handled, promoted and presented, not to even mention the

1626
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 2: Ali Act and the chain, you know, the purses and

1627
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 2: all that. Like the only thing I don't fully agree

1628
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 2: with on Bradley's rent and I want to get your

1629
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 2: take here, Luke, is I don't want it to be

1630
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 2: all about oh, these guys are getting too much money,

1631
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 2: because I think that's too convenient for Dana White and

1632
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 2: company to be like, well, we know how to fix that.

1633
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 2: I think it's more like this style of matchmaking, this

1634
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 2: fantasy style of just picking any two and putting them

1635
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 2: against each other, like you had a can't miss rematch

1636
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 2: that I know that's our next topic. We're gonna slide

1637
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 2: into it in a second. But like people don't even

1638
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 2: want it anymore, like everything that went wrong could have

1639
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 2: And I think Bradley's right. It wasn't about boxing. This

1640
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 2: was the most like I'm not even gonna go the

1641
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 2: political side of it, but nothing here was about boxing

1642
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 2: in the end, and about the thing that actually makes it.

1643
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 2: Same thing with Canelo Saturday morning, Sunday morning, Saturday night,

1644
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 2: in the middle of the desert, in front of nobody.

1645
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 2: This is this, ain't it?

1646
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: This is not it very basic, It's just a very

1647
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 1: basic question, who does Turkey serve? Who does he serve?

1648
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 1: Does he serve boxing or does boxing serve him? Because

1649
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: he I don't think he serves boxing. That's not to

1650
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 1: say he can't make good fights. He's made some good fights.

1651
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: P see, he's made good fights. He wastes a lot

1652
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: of money, dude, I don't know. I mean, it's an

1653
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: insane amount of money. He's burned. But I'm saying the

1654
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: record does not show that Turkey makes nothing but bad fights.

1655
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 2: That's That's not a week ago we were like, way

1656
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 2: to go, Uncle, Uncle tou to, way to go.

1657
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 1: Okay, like holy shit. But I just want to just

1658
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 1: to wrap this up on this particular line item. Who

1659
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,879
Speaker 1: does Turkey serve? He serves the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia,

1660
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 1: and so everything that they do, ultimately, whether in the

1661
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 1: short term or the long term, whether it's visible or not,

1662
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: everything is in service to those interests, and whether or

1663
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 1: not it's in the long term interest of boxing or

1664
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 1: more in particular, for our audience's sake here we have

1665
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: a global audience, but for us fans, whether or not

1666
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: that serves us interests, and whether or not it serves

1667
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 1: garcias or Haines or anybody else's interests may or may

1668
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 1: not happen. And you have to understand that there's a

1669
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 1: dividing line. Always ask yourself what is when Turkey works

1670
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: to day night? For this, it's in service to who.

1671
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 4: Just remember this.

1672
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 2: Wasn't to the fans on pay per view. You couldn't

1673
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:08,560
Speaker 2: even watch it. There's fences up everywhere. Let's show the

1674
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 2: tweet here from longtime boxing scribe Ryan Songalia. This was

1675
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,799
Speaker 2: also part of it, Luke the The one unfortunate development

1676
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 2: of the time Square fights is that New York boxing

1677
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 2: gyms will offer tickets to watch the fight, only to

1678
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 2: arrive and only be granted access to soundless screens several

1679
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 2: blocks away, penned in areas without seats to act as

1680
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 2: extras for when the TV feed wanted to show crowdshots,

1681
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 2: Lots of people arrived and then would watch the fights

1682
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 2: from home. This is just another example of it like

1683
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 2: that's not for the fans, that's not for the people.

1684
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 2: And then on top of it, and look, that's part

1685
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 2: of what you accept with the Turkey experience. You accept

1686
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 2: the sports washing. You accept the fact that that Friday

1687
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 2: thing was more like Tim Bradley said, a flex than anything.

1688
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 2: But then when you not only don't get good fights

1689
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 2: for all the effort put in, you actually get some

1690
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 2: of the worst fights we've ever seen. You just crushed

1691
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 2: and killed a rematch. You just crushed the brands of

1692
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 2: the fighters and some of the others fault, there's no question.

1693
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 2: But when it's all negative at once and you have

1694
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 2: the worst weekend ever, I think it's a wake up

1695
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 2: called a boxing and goo, is this actually the direction

1696
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 2: we want to go? Let's see that quick tweet from

1697
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 2: MVP Luke when we talk about the the overall punching

1698
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 2: issues there. Amanda Serrano threw one hundred through three hundred

1699
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 2: and twenty four punches in November of last year in

1700
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 2: the rematch with Katie Taylor. They combined Barbosa, Ryan Garcia,

1701
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: Devin Haney, and Canelo over the weekend combined for three

1702
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:37,600
Speaker 2: nineteen combined. For Luke, let's quickly talk about.

1703
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: Oh wait, those are two minute rounds she's fighting.

1704
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 2: In, Yeah, and two on top of that in two

1705
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 2: minute rounds. All right, let's talk about it. There was

1706
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 2: good from that Friday card. Good for Rolla Romero and

1707
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 2: by extension, PBC pulling a monstrous upset in the main

1708
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 2: event over Ryan Garcia. We'll got a quick sound from

1709
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 2: Roly and then we'll get Luke's take on this fight.

1710
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 2: Didn't they have a fucking hotel room for me?

1711
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 9: They fucked up my gloses of a fun ding given

1712
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 9: o'damn cordeine nothing iron care.

1713
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 4: I kept it cool.

1714
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 2: I kept it cool, didn't want to putting no damn

1715
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 2: money and ask growing nothing.

1716
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 3: And look at this ship.

1717
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 2: They all had a fucking plan and look at this ship.

1718
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 2: I don't fuck I destroyed everything they fucking had. Luke,

1719
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna shift to the Austrian Ryan Garcia part of

1720
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 2: that conversation a second, but just from Rolly you kind

1721
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 2: of hear how he was treated like the B side,

1722
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 2: like the opponent brought in to take a big al

1723
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 2: and we did all predicted. By the way, how good

1724
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 2: of a win is this for ROLI? Will it always

1725
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 2: come with an asterisk? Or did this kind of save

1726
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 2: his top end career?

1727
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 10: Here?

1728
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: I think this was actually a pretty big win. I mean,

1729
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 1: in the end, he drops him in what round was

1730
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 1: that the second round? Third round? Yeah, sig round. So

1731
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 1: that's obviously the highlight, because the rest of that fight

1732
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: did kind of suck. But this is why it was

1733
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: important for ROLLIBC. Is not just that he wonted that

1734
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 1: he dropped Garcia, that's big, but it was that he

1735
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 1: fought discipline and tactically through the duration. Like in short,

1736
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 1: if you didn't see this fight, maybe you saw the knockdown.

1737
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: They didn't show highlights beyond that, but like it was

1738
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 1: kind of boring after that. However, Roly out boxed him.

1739
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how else to say it. Roly out

1740
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 1: boxed him BC. I just did not think he had

1741
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: it in him after the loss to Tank, which was

1742
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 1: fine because he was getting overly aggressive in Tank's an

1743
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 1: unforgiving puncher. But then like Pitbull Cruz fucked him up.

1744
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 1: And we talked about the Barroso fight, which was just

1745
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 1: a mess because I was like I had lost total

1746
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,759
Speaker 1: confidence in him BC. Credit to Rollly Romero. I didn't

1747
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: believe in him, and I'm sure many others, and it

1748
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: looked like, obviously the promotion in this particular case had

1749
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: no faith in him, and that's why they booked him

1750
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 1: in the contest. Oops, he upset the apple cart and

1751
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 1: you and we'll talk about this, I know, whatever you

1752
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:48,560
Speaker 1: want to say about Garcia's condition and whatever the reality is,

1753
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: it's also undeniably true that Roly had a good answer,

1754
01:24:55,680 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: a well prepared answer for Garcia's left hook. He neutralized it,

1755
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: and Garcia had no way to ever get back into

1756
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 1: the fight. Roley did that to him, no debate about it, dude.

1757
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 2: He disciplined him to not trying to almost giving up,

1758
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 2: almost in a way that I relate to what Vulk

1759
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 2: did to Jose Aldo in that fight. He almost frustrated

1760
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 2: him so bad that he dissuaded him from just yeah,

1761
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 2: like whatever, we'll just go, We'll walk it out and

1762
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 2: go the distance. I gotta give Roly credit for that,

1763
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 2: the defense that he committed to to not leave an

1764
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 2: opening for that left hook, and then he showed you

1765
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 2: when he's at full Walter. Wait, he's an absolutely legitimate puncher.

1766
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 2: He's also very raw and is going to be beat

1767
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 2: by many elites. But this was a breakthrough performance in

1768
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 2: those levels of maturity. It's wild that he pulled off

1769
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 2: an upset and did it by unanimous decision. It's crazy,

1770
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 2: all right. Quickly, before we transition into the Garcia Hainey talk,

1771
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 2: one more thing, Luke, this is kind of like state

1772
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,879
Speaker 2: run media now when we had the Pat McAfee pregame

1773
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 2: show on his own there. But check out this question

1774
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 2: with Booker T and Turkey focusing on maybe reframing the

1775
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 2: idea of what the ALI Act is and does.

1776
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 16: You talk about the life blood of boxing and the

1777
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 16: life blood of the fighters as well. How important it

1778
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 16: is for you to actually be able to help facilitate

1779
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 16: these boxers because I always talk about the ALI Act.

1780
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 16: The il act is all about, you know, taking care

1781
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 16: of the boxers. And now with your help, the box

1782
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 16: is going to be in such better places.

1783
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 2: I want there was something as example, I meet yesterday

1784
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 2: all the fighters, all of them, and I say to them,

1785
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 2: win or lose, we will still do business with you.

1786
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 16: This is mean for them a lot to accept fight

1787
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 16: like this now with the good money, with the good commercial,

1788
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 16: with a.

1789
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 2: Good place, with the good fights. He can take you

1790
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 2: the risk before why I take the risk?

1791
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 3: No money, my promoters doesn't support this fight.

1792
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: I will do.

1793
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 2: Normal fights. And that's it, dude, that's a lot of propaganda.

1794
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 2: Pushed the planted question to Booker T, putting it forth

1795
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,719
Speaker 2: like you already do these great things for these fighters,

1796
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 2: and I know the changes you make to the ALIAC

1797
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 2: will only help that in the long run.

1798
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I give you some details on that please.

1799
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: So we haven't seen any draft legislation yet, but what

1800
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: I've been told by folks in the know is that

1801
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: what TKO is looking to do is two things. BCEE

1802
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: one frame the idea that promoters can create their own

1803
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 1: titles as like adding more opportunity. And it's like, I

1804
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 1: don't understand how the argument is like, oh, there's too

1805
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 1: many titles in boxing, let's just add more because that's

1806
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: more opportunity. It's it's self refuting. But obviously we know

1807
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: what they want to do. They want to use their

1808
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 1: titles at the expense of everyone else and then help

1809
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 1: that use that to help control the talent. Right, that's

1810
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: the whole point. But what they might do on the

1811
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,879
Speaker 1: front end of the ALIAC, aside from this Orwellian framing

1812
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: of you know, it's more opportunity, is and this is

1813
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:00,719
Speaker 1: not a bad thing. They might introduce some minimum standards

1814
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 1: per round into the legislation. And they might introduce some

1815
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 1: legislation that improves pre fight medical screening. And to be clear,

1816
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: like nobody's against that, nobody's against improve pre fight medical screening,

1817
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 1: and some minimum pay standards as it relates to what

1818
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: you get paid per route. Again, whether these make it

1819
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 1: into final draft legislation and whatnot, I don't know, but

1820
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 1: that's what I'm told that they're seeking to do. And

1821
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: of course the point is obvious. B See, they're doing

1822
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 1: that as a way to like, you know, a spoonful

1823
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: of sugar helps the medicine go down, right, It's both

1824
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,560
Speaker 1: a distraction and you're like, oh, we're creating more opportunity,

1825
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: we're putting more safety standards in, we're creating better pay.

1826
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: But that's all just a red herring because the stuff

1827
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,799
Speaker 1: they're introducing as bare minimums don't affect their business anyway.

1828
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: And then, more to the point, the whole game is

1829
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 1: controlling their own titles, So just be on the lookout

1830
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: for that as you As they try to manufacture consent

1831
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: for this, they're going to try and find ways to

1832
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: show that this is actually pro fighter when don't be fooled,

1833
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 1: it quite obviously.

1834
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 2: Is not right. And if they can get it drastically changed,

1835
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 2: the biggest thing that they would want changed is the

1836
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 2: uh transparency that the ALI Act provides so that when

1837
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 2: fighters get paid they get to see how much the

1838
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 2: promoter took, they get to see all, they get to

1839
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 2: see a full print out of the entire breakdown of

1840
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,719
Speaker 2: what happened. They'd love to take that away too, don't

1841
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 2: don't you don't you believe that?

1842
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 12: So?

1843
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm sure they're gonna pump up ways where where

1844
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 2: they'll promote that that it's helping the fighters. But to

1845
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 2: see it played out like this now on these very

1846
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 2: I mean that that was a the Zone show that

1847
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 2: streamed live on the WWE social networks too, and you

1848
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 2: know they're they, I mean they use McAfee aggressively to

1849
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 2: to kind of be their spokesman to the casuals of

1850
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 2: like this, this is the you know, this is the

1851
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 2: new message. This is the new It's it's it's still

1852
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 2: state run media, it's but it's a hip way of

1853
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 2: presenting it. Luke, it's kind of wild.

1854
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 10: Right.

1855
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 1: You can't run against the Ali act. I think you

1856
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 1: know that cryptic comment that already, I mean you'll have

1857
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 1: back on Pat McAfee whenever long ago. You know, you

1858
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 1: can't run against it. But what you can do is,

1859
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 1: oh we can, actually we can make it better. We're

1860
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna embrace the aliac. That's what you can,

1861
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 1: so be the lookout for that kind of stuff.

1862
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 2: And look, I'd like to break down Tayo Femo's win

1863
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 2: and what he does. There's just not enough time, and

1864
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 2: rightfully so, Luke, or not rightfully so, but like justifiably so.

1865
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 2: All the headlines from these two days did unfortunately drawn

1866
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:14,600
Speaker 2: out with what I thought was a return to a

1867
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,679
Speaker 2: top level form and a nice win by Teo Febo

1868
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 2: Lopez Junior against Arnold Barbosa Junior. But topic number four, Luke,

1869
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 2: let's get into the Garcia Hany side of this and

1870
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 2: the fact that the rematch now appears to be blown

1871
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:30,679
Speaker 2: up after King Ryan got exposed in an absolute snoozer

1872
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:33,759
Speaker 2: of a fight against Roller Romero, which is only fueled

1873
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 2: or relitigated this whole austereing gait and the whole idea

1874
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 2: now off. Not just was Ryan Garcia on peds the

1875
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 2: first time when he fought Hany their last bout, but

1876
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 2: was he off of it now? And you saw the

1877
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 2: extreme difference right there. There's a sensitive topic, but it's

1878
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 2: now a very understandable one. For the record, Devin Haney

1879
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 2: is saying publicly that he still wants to rematch, and

1880
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 2: he's gonna push forth his contract, he says, to get it.

1881
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 2: But it's definitely worthy of debate whether there should or

1882
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 2: whether anyone even wants it after what could not have

1883
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 2: been two worse fights for the story they were trying

1884
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 2: to sell. I wasn't against that story, you know, like

1885
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 2: I wanted both guys to get a tune up, but

1886
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 2: this was disastrous. So luke for all the backlash that

1887
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 2: Devin Haney received last year when he got dropped three

1888
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 2: times by Ryan Garcia, when he sued him in the

1889
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 2: aftermath and didn't fight again and really just had a

1890
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 2: horrible year from a pr standpoint, then you've got Garcia

1891
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 2: coming out with an absolutely soulless performance in his upset

1892
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:39,560
Speaker 2: loss to ROLLI did the dreadful Times Square card ultimately

1893
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 2: teach us though, that we owed Devin Haney an apology

1894
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 2: for the narrative that came out of their fight last

1895
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 2: year being changed from an upset win to a no

1896
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:50,599
Speaker 2: contest due to the drug tests, or in any way

1897
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 2: do you think his own inexcusable performance in the coman

1898
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:57,680
Speaker 2: against Jose Ramirez is enough of a stain that just

1899
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 2: overrides this whole topic of Ryan Garcia and whether we

1900
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 2: owe Haney a big man culpa.

1901
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: I think this card is much more destructive to so

1902
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 1: many things than we realized. First of all, I don't

1903
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 1: have to apologize to Devin Haney, because I was never

1904
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:16,560
Speaker 1: one of these guys that afterwards, I know suing is

1905
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: not the thing that I thought would have been the

1906
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:21,599
Speaker 1: best idea, And there's no denying that it was over

1907
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 1: the it resulted in bad pr. I brought this up

1908
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 1: on Friday's MK. Did I not with UBC that I

1909
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:27,640
Speaker 1: was like, did we really have to kill him for?

1910
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 12: It?

1911
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 1: Turns out he might have had a point. Turns out

1912
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:32,639
Speaker 1: he might have had a point. First of all, I didn't.

1913
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 1: I didn't hate seeing Ryan Garcia suffer a loss here

1914
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:39,639
Speaker 1: at all. I'll just be completely honest with you. Number one. Yes,

1915
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 1: he was more professional this time around, and I think

1916
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 1: he's trying to live a more sober life, and that's

1917
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: good as far as it goes. But everything to me

1918
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 1: was connected in April of twenty twenty four, the fact

1919
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 1: that he missed wait with some evidence arguably intentionally. Yes,

1920
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 1: he has some plausible deniability around the Osteen, but he

1921
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,920
Speaker 1: was defiant that anything could have even possibly been true,

1922
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 1: and then he getting arrested in hotel rooms. He's going

1923
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 1: on these tours of not just a little bit of racism, BC, insane,

1924
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: Like I can't I can't even like halfway even attempt

1925
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: to repeat it because of how insane it is. And

1926
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,599
Speaker 1: much more than that, Muslims and gays, the whole nine,

1927
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 1: Like anybody could get it. He was just spraying the block.

1928
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 1: He was just dripping with mania and poison, and he

1929
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 1: did not care who got hurt in the process, whether

1930
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 1: it was some group he was slandering, or whether or

1931
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 1: not it was an opponent in Devin Haney. So to

1932
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: see the boxing gods come around and just completely flip

1933
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: the switch on him, I have to tell you that

1934
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 1: was not difficult at all for me to watch. Just

1935
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 1: matter of factly, I'll say that number one. But more

1936
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: to the point, BC, I'm gonna say it again, Garcia

1937
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 1: does have some plausible deniability around osterin It is one

1938
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: of the contaminants that you'll find in sports supplementation that

1939
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:57,560
Speaker 1: tends to pop up more than others. That's real. The

1940
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 1: problem is if you act like an absolutely insane, drug

1941
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: addled person, and then you go and have a i'm

1942
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 1: gonna say surprisingly good performance, and I know BC that

1943
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna live it down that guard I said

1944
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 1: Hani was gonna tune Ryan up like a guitar. But

1945
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: maybe now folks can see why I was never a

1946
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 1: big believer in Ryan Garcia. I don't think he's very good.

1947
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just say it out loud. I don't think

1948
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 1: he's very good. He was certainly good in April of

1949
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four when he thought Devin Haney, no question

1950
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,799
Speaker 1: about it, but I think the overall record of evidence

1951
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 1: suggests he's not necessarily all that great, and this was

1952
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 1: something of a reminder of it. So, even with these

1953
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 1: points of plausible deniability that he does have to his credit,

1954
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 1: if you're gonna come out in a rebound fight where

1955
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:46,639
Speaker 1: you are widely expected to look good and you look

1956
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: like a cheap facsimile of what the guy in April

1957
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:53,760
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four turned in, you now, at a

1958
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 1: bare minimum, invite extraordinary scrutiny about what you were doing

1959
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 1: before or how Devin Haney was treated all by the way,

1960
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 1: all of the hangers on who thought the Ryan Garcia

1961
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 1: Mania party was funny or cool or let's look the

1962
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 1: other way when he's saying outrageous things about black people,

1963
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: Like all of those folks have gone very quiet because

1964
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: I think it has dawned on him that they had

1965
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: hitched their wagon to a guy who has at least

1966
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: at that moment in time, a rancid heart to act

1967
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 1: the way that he did. Now again I think he is.

1968
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 1: It looks qull indications. B see he's trying to make

1969
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 1: positive change. It's as good as far as it goes.

1970
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 1: I hope it continues. But this is what I want

1971
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 1: to point out. That's just the Garcia fight. Hany comes

1972
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 1: back and just looks like damaged goods. I don't A

1973
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 1: rebound can take time. It doesn't necessarily happen in one fight.

1974
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 1: That's true for Garcia, and that's gonna be true for Hani.

1975
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 1: Let's see how things go. But he looked like he

1976
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 1: was just you know, I'm not going to hang out

1977
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:02,639
Speaker 1: for survival, but not willing to take a bunch of risk. BC.

1978
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:06,560
Speaker 1: Not only was this event bad for boxing broadly, and

1979
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 1: then bad for Garcia and to an extent HAINI Stock,

1980
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 1: it destroys the whole Four Kings narrative of this era,

1981
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 1: the Four Princes era, completely, it's gone.

1982
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 2: It doesn't existing part of it now. Obviously, we have

1983
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 2: to remember that this is boxing. You're only as good

1984
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 2: as your last performance in the narrative changes so quickly,

1985
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:26,839
Speaker 2: and Ryan just showed that, because I think the biggest

1986
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,600
Speaker 2: story takeaway for me is that he's now fooled me

1987
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 2: twice and that's going to be the last time he

1988
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 2: fools me, Meaning he fooled me to believe he wasn't

1989
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 2: even fit to step through those ropes against Haini mentally,

1990
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 2: and part of it was him fooling us. Obviously, he

1991
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 2: also was going through a lot and was batchit crazy

1992
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 2: and on Osterereene and on self admittedly a lot of

1993
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 2: other crazy things at the time. So but he fooled

1994
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 2: me again this time to believe that some of what

1995
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:56,680
Speaker 2: happened in April inside the ring was also some of

1996
01:36:56,760 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 2: his natural maturity and physically and all so mentally added

1997
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 2: with what he went through last year and a lot

1998
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 2: of itself imposed for sure, and I'm not apologizing for that,

1999
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 2: but he was also going through a lot of life trauma,

2000
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 2: so I thought he was going to come out of

2001
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 2: that from the divorce, his mom's cancer scare, all of that,

2002
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 2: in almost losing his kids in that arrest, to being

2003
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 2: dedicated in training. The videos look good, his comments said

2004
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 2: a lot about him coming in his confidence. Then to

2005
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 2: see this performance, you're right, Luke, it brings back all

2006
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 2: the old stereotypes and scares and thoughts we had where

2007
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 2: we yes gave him credit for getting up off the

2008
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 2: deck against Luke Campbell and knocking him out and gutting

2009
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 2: out a win that is still still screams to be

2010
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 2: his strongest on his resume short of Hany. Right, but

2011
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:49,599
Speaker 2: he's a rollercoaster since then, and he was great against Hany.

2012
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,719
Speaker 2: But I can no longer believe that, like it seems

2013
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 2: we see that there's a mythical creature, just like twenty

2014
01:37:56,400 --> 01:38:00,799
Speaker 2: thirteen Trt Belfort there was April of twenty four string Garcia,

2015
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 2: Like that's that's just And I'm not saying, Luke, here's

2016
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,679
Speaker 2: the problem. It's like, you know, I care about Ryan

2017
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 2: as a person in terms of you don't. I don't

2018
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 2: want to see, even with all the crap he's pulled,

2019
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 2: his life going to turmoil. But you almost got to

2020
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:16,639
Speaker 2: ask yourself in a sick twisted boxing way is does

2021
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:18,560
Speaker 2: that produce the best version of him? You know what

2022
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 2: I mean? And how is he going to mentally rebound

2023
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 2: from this? It felt like he was fighting back tears.

2024
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 2: But this was an awful performance. Here's Ryan at the

2025
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 2: press conference afterwards. It's gonna be an interesting to see.

2026
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 2: I mean, his life has felt like a reality show.

2027
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,560
Speaker 2: But I certainly wish him well and in dealing with

2028
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 2: this loss and hopefully in a way it can respark him.

2029
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 2: But I don't know after hearing this, just.

2030
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 10: Even in the start of the fighting, just didn't feel

2031
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,680
Speaker 10: like my feet run to me, like like I had

2032
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 10: anything very off after the year layoff. I'm extremely disappointing

2033
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:51,760
Speaker 10: in the way I thought it felt like a spar

2034
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 10: match and it felt like it just didn't feel authentic

2035
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 10: to me. But you don't no excuses. Didn't feel there

2036
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:00,599
Speaker 10: at all. One of those things where I was like, man,

2037
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 10: I don't know what's going on. Nothing was clicking, like

2038
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 10: once you step in the ring, everything fades away. This

2039
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:07,640
Speaker 10: time I went into the ring and I could hear

2040
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 10: everybody should curb Richardson. Everybody like just screaming stuff. I

2041
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 10: don't know why I didn't zone it out was weird,

2042
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:18,799
Speaker 10: Like it just felt like a weird fever dream just happened.

2043
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:21,560
Speaker 10: It's just so awkward, Like I don't know why, Like

2044
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:23,560
Speaker 10: EG fights don't feel that way. It just feels like

2045
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,679
Speaker 10: you're in it and you're fighting. You don't hear nobody, nothing.

2046
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 10: So yeah, that was a little different. I got to

2047
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:33,280
Speaker 10: figure it out up here. You'll see that aggression come out.

2048
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:35,560
Speaker 10: I just didn't have that and have that aggression to

2049
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:37,720
Speaker 10: go go kill. You know, you gotta have that in

2050
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 10: the ring.

2051
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:41,719
Speaker 2: Look it. You know, it was like Rose and aspar

2052
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 2: as the title rematch, it just didn't make sense. There

2053
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,599
Speaker 2: was a disconnect. I don't like. I think it's everything

2054
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 2: at once. It's the fact that the time square card

2055
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:50,720
Speaker 2: was weird for the fighters. It's the fact that he

2056
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 2: got knocked down and disciplined in round two. But you

2057
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 2: have to agree, the most disappointing part of this was

2058
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 2: that when that fight got difficult, he had nothing. He

2059
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:02,559
Speaker 2: had no adgeat So it fuels all of those things

2060
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:04,800
Speaker 2: we were saying that maybe he never was and maybe

2061
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 2: that was a mythical creature we saw a year ago

2062
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:09,439
Speaker 2: in the midst of some crazy life turmoil that some

2063
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 2: of that he certainly brought on himself.

2064
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:12,960
Speaker 1: We can't fully write it off, and I'm not gonna

2065
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:14,559
Speaker 1: fully write it off. And I'm glad you brought the point,

2066
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 1: like if he keeps doing the healing that I think

2067
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 1: he needs to do, because I don't think he's even

2068
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:21,120
Speaker 1: close to being done. These are all good things. I'm

2069
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 1: not against that, but like, you know, what was the

2070
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 1: penalty he suffered aside from time off for all the

2071
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:31,479
Speaker 1: things that he did not muh, I mean, lest his purse? Okay,

2072
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:33,560
Speaker 1: it was a financial penalty, but in the end, not

2073
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 1: a whole lot. I'm sure he made a sick amount

2074
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 1: of money for this one. I also think, though, and

2075
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:40,600
Speaker 1: I said I said earlier, it's just worth reiterating. For

2076
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:42,800
Speaker 1: Haini and Garcia that time off, I don't. You know,

2077
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 1: he did him some good in some senses, but competitively,

2078
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: I don't it didn't make him their best. Also, he

2079
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 1: brings it up that weird that event just did not

2080
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 1: work in terms of getting the best from boxers. Now,

2081
01:40:55,040 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 1: some were able to plug in Tailfeman was able to

2082
01:40:57,240 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 1: plug in or lot whatever the kids say, lock in.

2083
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 1: He was able to do all that Romero was able

2084
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:03,600
Speaker 1: to do it, so it's not exactly an excuse. But

2085
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 1: at the same time, is that the best way to

2086
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:11,360
Speaker 1: get people to give their best broadly? Maybe not right,

2087
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:13,840
Speaker 1: Maybe that wasn't the best way to do it, even

2088
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 1: if again, from a permit standpoint, that's where they ended up.

2089
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 1: But it seems to me like the four Princess thing

2090
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:21,680
Speaker 1: just got set a blaze right now.

2091
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 2: I can't defend it. Yeah, I can't.

2092
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 1: Whether they make it back is up to them, bro.

2093
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 2: And it's only look, the narrative, like I said, completely changes.

2094
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 2: If Tank comes back and let's say, knocks out Lamar

2095
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 2: roachs visiously, you're like, oh shit that you know it

2096
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:34,519
Speaker 2: was a blip on the radar.

2097
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 1: Ryan's had a lot of blips.

2098
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 2: I'm no longer gonna believe that he's going in the

2099
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:40,400
Speaker 2: right direction until he's going to show us in the ring.

2100
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:43,919
Speaker 2: But Haney on the flip side, Luke obviously a completely

2101
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 2: dominant win over Ramirez. But here's my question to you,

2102
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:54,800
Speaker 2: and both are bad. Did Hany sabotage this fight under

2103
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 2: the premise of I've already signed the contract for the

2104
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:00,559
Speaker 2: Garcia rematch, so why am I going to risk anything

2105
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 2: bad happening? And oh by the way, fu to boxing,

2106
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 2: to Ryan Garcia for me getting screwed with what happened

2107
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 2: last year and all this bad pr I'm not gonna

2108
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 2: entertain you. I'm gonna get the win and then get

2109
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:17,920
Speaker 2: that rematch or worse worse even was this Hani having

2110
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:21,360
Speaker 2: all the skeletons and ghosts from the Garcia fight still

2111
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 2: in the front of his mind and him maybe being

2112
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 2: a broken fighter moving forward.

2113
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:29,759
Speaker 1: It seemed to me that the ghosts of April twentieth,

2114
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four were haunting them, both different reasons, but

2115
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:36,680
Speaker 1: they were haunting them both. Now you all again, I'm

2116
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 1: gonna say it, maybe in another fight, Hani looks better.

2117
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, all right, well maybe the last one

2118
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:44,760
Speaker 1: wasn't the you know, the end all be all. We

2119
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:47,600
Speaker 1: have to keep that in mind, and we will. And

2120
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:49,599
Speaker 1: to the point you raised, this was a guy whose

2121
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: character has been assassinated for the last year for the

2122
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:58,719
Speaker 1: crime of fighting, a guy who plausibly took performance enancing

2123
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:02,600
Speaker 1: drugs and plausibly weight on purpose. I mean, can you

2124
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,080
Speaker 1: fucking believe the upside down? It was just to be

2125
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 1: we This is like Ryan Garcia's moment in time last

2126
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:12,920
Speaker 1: year was like the ultimate moment of vice signaling, right,

2127
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 1: and no one likes a virtue signaler, But I gotta

2128
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 1: tell you, if the choices between that and a vice signaler,

2129
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 1: I'll take the virtue one every single time. And you

2130
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 1: see the consequences this upside down moral, you know, decay

2131
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:28,320
Speaker 1: that gets shown where the guy who was clearly the

2132
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:30,880
Speaker 1: victim in this case, or at least again as a

2133
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,600
Speaker 1: plausible claim to be the victim, was treated as some

2134
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 1: kind of you know, nasty sore loser. And I that's

2135
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 1: not even to say that I endorsed the lawsuit. It's

2136
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:41,720
Speaker 1: just to say, did we have to beat him up

2137
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 1: over it? I don't know so all of that BC,

2138
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:47,560
Speaker 1: was that still circulating in this guy's mind. I just

2139
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:51,280
Speaker 1: feel like the most logical explanation is ring rust and

2140
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 1: he was saving himself for the Garcia fight down the road.

2141
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 1: But to the point you raised, BC, did he pump

2142
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:01,040
Speaker 1: any life into that? If anything, they left the air

2143
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 1: out of the balloon on.

2144
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 2: They know, I mean, like, obviously they could do this

2145
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 2: in Saudi anytime they want. Who cares if there's a crowd, like,

2146
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:10,760
Speaker 2: but these are fights that belong in arenas with real

2147
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 2: boxing fans and I think that's also part of the larger,

2148
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:16,719
Speaker 2: bigger picture. Look, you know, Friday didn't have any boxing

2149
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:20,320
Speaker 2: fans really, it was like billionaires and influencers and elite friends.

2150
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 2: And Saturday I did see that small swath a couple

2151
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 2: thousand it seemed of Canelo fans Pro Mexico that were there,

2152
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 2: and they did kind of make a small impact in

2153
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 2: that tiny arena. But there's no atmosphere at those fights,

2154
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 2: to the point that they've now moved even the big

2155
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 2: fights to that small sixty six thousand foot so there's

2156
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 2: six thousand seed arena. So yeah, in hindsight, we could say,

2157
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:43,599
Speaker 2: damn Turkey, you should have done that at Yankee Stadium

2158
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 2: or MSG or whatever. But it needs to be in

2159
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:49,640
Speaker 2: front of fans that matters. That atmosphere Brooklyn last year

2160
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:51,240
Speaker 2: was a big part of why that fight was so

2161
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 2: wild and crazy, Like the whole week was, it was wild.

2162
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:57,200
Speaker 2: I think you got to pump some life into this. First,

2163
01:44:57,320 --> 01:44:59,720
Speaker 2: it's dead, it feels dead. Let's show that video of

2164
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 2: Ry and in the uh everybody had to go to

2165
01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 2: the ambulance afterwards to be checked on these fights and

2166
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 2: a lot of people are dunking on the emotions he show,

2167
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 2: and I mean, I'm never gonna do that because these

2168
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 2: guys are competitors. But Luke, you can take away almost

2169
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 2: nothing positive from the Ryan Garcia experience on Friday night.

2170
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:17,120
Speaker 2: I hope he doesn't fly off the deep end, but

2171
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:22,320
Speaker 2: to not think any more of the steroid connection, you can't,

2172
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:24,040
Speaker 2: you know, you can't be naive.

2173
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 1: How can you talk about April of twenty twenty four

2174
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:27,560
Speaker 1: now without it?

2175
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:31,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, possible, And damn, I mean, he just looked like

2176
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 2: a broken fighter. Let's hear from Roly who took an

2177
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 2: unnecessary shot at it. But let's let's give Rollie the

2178
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:38,879
Speaker 2: victory lap helt he deserves.

2179
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 8: And he is a tremendous fighter. He is a tremendous fighter.

2180
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:48,760
Speaker 2: The warning people he cannot be happened to be myself.

2181
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:54,160
Speaker 2: Jawanta Davis and depression. All right, all right, we do

2182
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 2: a mental health jokey.

2183
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:58,240
Speaker 1: Why did he steal the windshield off of his own

2184
01:45:58,320 --> 01:45:59,439
Speaker 1: car to put it on his face?

2185
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 2: Answer to that, dude, he was so humble afterwards. He

2186
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 2: didn't really like dunk on anybody.

2187
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:05,800
Speaker 1: He was you know, go, it's like the we're talking

2188
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:07,720
Speaker 1: about guys who suffered losses and like, you know what

2189
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:09,599
Speaker 1: it means, and we have to be honest. We wrote

2190
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,040
Speaker 1: off Roly. I know I did, I wrote off, but

2191
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 1: like truly, when you've got guys with some ability, it's

2192
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:17,599
Speaker 1: all how they take it, unless they take a really

2193
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:20,080
Speaker 1: really really really bad beating, but in general, in general,

2194
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 1: it is how they take it. Rolely took it as

2195
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:24,360
Speaker 1: a way to get better. It changed him, I think

2196
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:26,600
Speaker 1: for the better. We shall see what it does for

2197
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:28,000
Speaker 1: Ryan or Bonnicol or whoever.

2198
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,479
Speaker 2: Well, let's bring in an expert. Future Hall of Famer

2199
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 2: Nonito Donaire was the first boxer ever to sign up

2200
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 2: for twenty four to seven volunteer testing with VADA. Here's

2201
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:40,719
Speaker 2: his take on ostereen and what happened to Ryan Garcia.

2202
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:45,080
Speaker 1: Talk about Garcia's performance last night and people wondering, you know,

2203
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 1: off the ostereen?

2204
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 3: Is that why he wasn't what he was a year ago?

2205
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:50,280
Speaker 1: And what do you make of it? Donito?

2206
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 17: I do I say this like Chapelle Oscreen's a hell

2207
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:59,040
Speaker 17: of a drug. Now you know, maybe that could be

2208
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:00,920
Speaker 17: a part of it. I mean, I've never done it,

2209
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 17: but it's so the difference of of of the fight.

2210
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 17: But I think the difference too, was that Haney and

2211
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:12,120
Speaker 17: and and Rolely are two different fighters.

2212
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:14,439
Speaker 1: Roly is very awkward, but he.

2213
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 6: Has that what they call retarded power was what they

2214
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 6: say cold and retarded strength whatever, and you know one

2215
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:29,000
Speaker 6: of those, right, So so he just cracks.

2216
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:32,360
Speaker 1: That's the thing is that when when when he.

2217
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:35,240
Speaker 18: Dropped Ryan, he dropped him and and made him think

2218
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 18: otherwise with with with Devin, Devin wasn't that kind of fighter,

2219
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:44,599
Speaker 18: and so it was more of Ryan to feel comfortable

2220
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:47,800
Speaker 18: to throw the punch with the punch, but with Roly,

2221
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:48,920
Speaker 18: he didn't want to play that game.

2222
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:53,240
Speaker 2: I mean, he got once he I mean, outside of

2223
01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:56,720
Speaker 2: the comments there from which were here we are a

2224
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:57,679
Speaker 2: get in combat sports.

2225
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:01,120
Speaker 1: We got we got to get and Jones together to

2226
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:04,640
Speaker 1: talk about what they think makes success in the athletics.

2227
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:08,759
Speaker 2: It's wild, I mean, but like look, ostering was a factor,

2228
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:12,280
Speaker 2: but so was the second Ryan got dropped. He didn't

2229
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 2: know how to adjust, He didn't know, he didn't know

2230
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:16,800
Speaker 2: what to do. That was a problem. We didn't have

2231
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 2: that problem in April and now he also didn't get dropped.

2232
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 2: But last April he just was a man possessed. I

2233
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 2: hope he can find that. I of the Tiger again

2234
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:27,760
Speaker 2: without falling off the deep end. Look, I'm gonna skip

2235
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,160
Speaker 2: the Shannon Briggson and Ryan Garcia to hell, but let's

2236
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:32,400
Speaker 2: close here on our topics before we get into some

2237
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:36,479
Speaker 2: shiat with Canelo Alvarez. He went from the snoozer with

2238
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:39,320
Speaker 2: Williams School really one of the worst fights of all time,

2239
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 2: so moments later getting pushed into a face off with

2240
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 2: Terrence Budd Crawford and here we are. So he went

2241
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:49,240
Speaker 2: from the lowest punches attempted by a single fighter and

2242
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:52,719
Speaker 2: a total fight in twelve round history. He also said

2243
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:56,120
Speaker 2: I hate fighting these type of fighters in the post view,

2244
01:48:56,640 --> 01:49:00,240
Speaker 2: although Big Red David Benavidez is available, I mean, yeah,

2245
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 2: going nowhere, I mean, come on, don't be a bitch.

2246
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:07,799
Speaker 2: But okay, Luke, here's the real question. Then they announced

2247
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 2: the fight Turkey would subsequently announced by the way that

2248
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:14,760
Speaker 2: it will be Dana White TKO and although they don't

2249
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 2: have a TV home secured, everybody is pointing this toward Netflix.

2250
01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 2: They also announced it for a Friday night, September twelfth,

2251
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:27,640
Speaker 2: the night before UFC Guadalalajara, the Noe Chase celebration. So

2252
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:31,120
Speaker 2: it's a monstrous TKO weekend, with some journalists, by the way,

2253
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:35,200
Speaker 2: saying they don't think that Wada Lahara Arena will be

2254
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 2: ready and this could end up in Las Vegas, by

2255
01:49:37,479 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 2: the way. But Luke, the larger question gear is how

2256
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 2: much of the blame for Saturday shipwreck deserves to fall

2257
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 2: on Canelo and very specifically, what does Canelo's performance here

2258
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 2: say about his chances against Terrence Crawford and whether this

2259
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:53,520
Speaker 2: changes at all as we point to September.

2260
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:58,600
Speaker 1: It's not like I watched the fight between Terence Crawford

2261
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:02,439
Speaker 1: and Israel mad and I thought, oh wow, Terrence is

2262
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:05,719
Speaker 1: gonna run over him. But I at least thought, okay,

2263
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:08,080
Speaker 1: this is you know, he got the win and he

2264
01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 1: got it off Craft and Madromov made some interesting choices,

2265
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:15,040
Speaker 1: but whatever, And then you watch what Canelo has turned

2266
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:17,839
Speaker 1: into and it's like, how can you not pick Crawford,

2267
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 1: Oh he's coming up three weight classes? Yeah against this version.

2268
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 1: The balls on Canelo to say I don't like it

2269
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:28,800
Speaker 1: when a guy runs the whole time and you've been

2270
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:35,839
Speaker 1: assiduously avoiding. David Benavitez is mind blowing to me, because

2271
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:40,800
Speaker 1: trust me, you wouldn't have to run or worry about

2272
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:43,759
Speaker 1: whether or run after, I should say, or worry about

2273
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:45,360
Speaker 1: whether or not your opponent is going to be there

2274
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:48,040
Speaker 1: for you to hit if you wanted to fight David Benavitez.

2275
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:52,720
Speaker 1: Problem freaking solved. B See how many it used to

2276
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:54,639
Speaker 1: be like, oh, if you could go the distance with Canelo,

2277
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:57,479
Speaker 1: that would be impressive, you know, but he was beating

2278
01:50:57,560 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 1: the Angulos of the world from pillar to post. They

2279
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,120
Speaker 1: couldn't make it out of it, or the ya omne

2280
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:07,479
Speaker 1: yodiums or whoever. And now he can't even polish those

2281
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 1: guys off. Now he can't even slow them down. And yes,

2282
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 1: didn't make Canelo's job harder when a guy doesn't want

2283
01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:14,880
Speaker 1: to engage that much, even though you know there was

2284
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:18,200
Speaker 1: at least, you know, arithmetically he was maybe even throwing

2285
01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:22,120
Speaker 1: more than Canelo. Sure, it makes it a little bit difficult,

2286
01:51:22,479 --> 01:51:24,760
Speaker 1: but it also appears to MEBC we should just say

2287
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:27,439
Speaker 1: it out loud again. I'm so glad we got to

2288
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:30,600
Speaker 1: cover Canelo when he was chasing down Caleb Plant in

2289
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:33,559
Speaker 1: the eleventh round in Las Vegas to crown himself as

2290
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 1: the king of boxing. And certainly that one sixty eight

2291
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:39,200
Speaker 1: division that was that was that was thrilling right, that

2292
01:51:39,320 --> 01:51:40,800
Speaker 1: was one of them. That was just a highlight really

2293
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:44,479
Speaker 1: of one of my combat sports covering moments, certainly inside

2294
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:47,040
Speaker 1: of boxing. But you know, since then, it's just been

2295
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:50,280
Speaker 1: something different. He is completely phoning it in, Dude, he's

2296
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:51,360
Speaker 1: phoning it in.

2297
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 2: Well, you know what the old Canelo would have done there,

2298
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:55,559
Speaker 2: because he did it against Irislndy Laura in a similar fight.

2299
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:59,200
Speaker 2: He chased them down and made sure that even though

2300
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:00,960
Speaker 2: I to this day I scored that fight for Laura,

2301
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 2: a lot of people did you, But if you did,

2302
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:04,599
Speaker 2: you did it by one round. It was that close, yes,

2303
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:07,080
Speaker 2: But he put in the effort to chase him down.

2304
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:09,839
Speaker 2: He was a younger man, but this one he almost punted,

2305
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 2: like like I'm gonna.

2306
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:16,639
Speaker 1: Do He punted. He punted on doing this in front

2307
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:20,720
Speaker 1: of his fans. He punted on trying to maximize this

2308
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:23,760
Speaker 1: opportunity for you know, people's entertainment, which you know is

2309
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:25,640
Speaker 1: not his job. But when the guy is like that,

2310
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,840
Speaker 1: clearly much like as bad as Canela looks like, school

2311
01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:32,559
Speaker 1: looked like infinitely worse, you know, it's just like every

2312
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:35,680
Speaker 1: part of it is not trying because he's got this

2313
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:39,080
Speaker 1: attitude like I'm Canelo and I don't have to anymore. Well, Canelo,

2314
01:52:39,120 --> 01:52:43,000
Speaker 1: if you don't care, why the fuck should we That's

2315
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:44,960
Speaker 1: the question that I just have no other answer for.

2316
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:47,400
Speaker 2: And the worst part about Turkey throwing him on Singo

2317
01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:49,400
Speaker 2: de Mayo, even though I know they tried to line

2318
01:52:49,439 --> 01:52:52,240
Speaker 2: up the time so that it was primetime in Mexico

2319
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:55,880
Speaker 2: and the US, you know, or the primetime expected time

2320
01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:58,439
Speaker 2: for a fight, you know, but still it's like it

2321
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:02,120
Speaker 2: almost felt like he only has Canelo as a flex

2322
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 2: to keep Jake Paul, you know, at at arm's length.

2323
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I ever would have been like

2324
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 2: insanely excited for a Jake Paul Canelo fight, but to

2325
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 2: see Cop shout the cop, but to see Cop uh,

2326
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:16,920
Speaker 2: you know, tweak for the fight. At least this isn't

2327
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:18,840
Speaker 2: at least we don't have to watch, you know, Jake

2328
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:21,719
Speaker 2: versus Canal. It's like, dude, I would take Jake versus

2329
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:25,880
Speaker 2: Canelo one and two in the same night. Yeah, Canelo school.

2330
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:29,600
Speaker 2: The way that they acted, the whole blah blah, you know,

2331
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:30,200
Speaker 2: affair of.

2332
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:34,240
Speaker 1: It, there was nobody there. There was nobody there.

2333
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:37,360
Speaker 2: Even though I understand the strategic selection of Canelo and

2334
01:53:37,439 --> 01:53:39,240
Speaker 2: that they need to set up the launch of TKO.

2335
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:41,240
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I'm not going to care about

2336
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:44,519
Speaker 2: this fight like it's an interesting fight. It had more

2337
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:47,000
Speaker 2: fuel to it, of course two years ago when Bud

2338
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:49,439
Speaker 2: beat Spence, but it's not like Bud's been losing or

2339
01:53:49,479 --> 01:53:52,240
Speaker 2: Canelo has been losing. But I think it does change

2340
01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:54,000
Speaker 2: the way we look at it, Luke, because the early

2341
01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:57,320
Speaker 2: offshore odds at the moment have Canelo minus two thirty

2342
01:53:57,439 --> 01:54:01,000
Speaker 2: Crawford plus one seventy six. There's always been a strong

2343
01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:03,880
Speaker 2: vocal minority that that Crawford could do this. That's why

2344
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:06,439
Speaker 2: the fight's happening, because he's willing to do it, and

2345
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:08,519
Speaker 2: he's one of the rare guys that we believe could

2346
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:11,800
Speaker 2: do it. This is like the lowest Canelo stock has

2347
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:14,920
Speaker 2: been in a long time. Is that going to be

2348
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 2: a negative at all? Or do you think this fight

2349
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:22,240
Speaker 2: will still ultimately deliver what Turkey, TKO and maybe even

2350
01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:25,000
Speaker 2: Netflix will be trying to do on September twelve.

2351
01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:28,880
Speaker 1: I think this fight will deliver spectacle. Whether it delivers

2352
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:31,440
Speaker 1: a good fight remains to be seen. I'll be cautiously

2353
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:35,240
Speaker 1: optimistic about it. It's really hard to say Canelo appears

2354
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:37,840
Speaker 1: to be washed basically at this point, although you know, again,

2355
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:41,200
Speaker 1: are you washed if you if you're phoning it in?

2356
01:54:41,400 --> 01:54:42,720
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I realize I'm just playing

2357
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 1: with metaphors here. See what I'm saying is it's hard

2358
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:46,960
Speaker 1: to know, like how much better he could be if

2359
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:49,440
Speaker 1: he cared, And really it's up to Crawford to make

2360
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:51,200
Speaker 1: him care, which I think he'll try, But it's just

2361
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 1: hard to know exactly what will happen. But I do

2362
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:55,840
Speaker 1: think from a spectacle standpoint, especially if it ends up

2363
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:58,920
Speaker 1: on Netflix, it's going to deliver big at a Legion Stadium,

2364
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:00,720
Speaker 1: the whole nine yards. It's go to be a big,

2365
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:03,360
Speaker 1: big event, and that's gonna be good for boxing for

2366
01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:05,360
Speaker 1: no small reason that a big fight taking place on

2367
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 1: you of soil is something that has been missing from

2368
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:11,280
Speaker 1: this country for a little while now. But but you know,

2369
01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:12,840
Speaker 1: in terms of what we're gonna get with a fight,

2370
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:14,760
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a bit of a wild card,

2371
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:20,120
Speaker 1: is it not. Crawford looked decent, maybe even good against Madromov,

2372
01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:23,800
Speaker 1: but not like exceptional, and that's still another another weight

2373
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:25,840
Speaker 1: class to go up or two at that point, right,

2374
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:29,360
Speaker 1: And then you've got Canelo, who has done you know,

2375
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, one of the best Mexican boxers ever,

2376
01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:34,280
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. But it's on the side of

2377
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:35,880
Speaker 1: his career where he just doesn't seem to give a

2378
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 1: fuck anymore.

2379
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:41,200
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know he has while think about it,

2380
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:44,440
Speaker 2: Like the Charlo fight there was there was no pushback.

2381
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:47,320
Speaker 2: The Mongia fight had four rounds where like he had

2382
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:48,920
Speaker 2: to be a little bit careful, it was a little

2383
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:51,440
Speaker 2: bit physical, and then he dominated. The Berlanga fight, he

2384
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 2: absolutely dominated. So it's like he also hasn't been pushed

2385
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:57,040
Speaker 2: back in a while. Obviously, I think he's better than

2386
01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:59,000
Speaker 2: what he showed on Saturday. If it was a much

2387
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:01,800
Speaker 2: bigger fight, you're gonna get the best of what's left

2388
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:03,720
Speaker 2: of Canalo, and I still think a lot is left.

2389
01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:06,800
Speaker 2: But this is this has just been a sad walk

2390
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:09,160
Speaker 2: for him in my opinion, even though there's part of

2391
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:11,760
Speaker 2: it that he deserves the right to take these times

2392
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 2: of victory laps, he's keeping these belts hostage. Now he's

2393
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:17,440
Speaker 2: playing with the shameless other team when it when it's

2394
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:20,080
Speaker 2: most you know, beneficial to him. I want to see

2395
01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:24,080
Speaker 2: the Crawford fight. I hope it works, but I don't know,

2396
01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:27,040
Speaker 2: there's just something about this that I don't like, the

2397
01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:29,640
Speaker 2: full taste of it, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,

2398
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 2: I just I mean, there's a lot of ways this

2399
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:35,080
Speaker 2: fight can be very interesting and very fun, but it's

2400
01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:37,560
Speaker 2: hard to not be anything but sour on Canelo at

2401
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:39,760
Speaker 2: the moment. And again I hate saying that, because dude,

2402
01:56:39,800 --> 01:56:41,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to you do you ever want to

2403
01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 2: be in a spot where you're where you're a Canelo hater? No,

2404
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:45,920
Speaker 2: the dude's the Dude's been great to watch and cover.

2405
01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:48,240
Speaker 2: He's been the best look, he's been the tits.

2406
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:52,680
Speaker 1: But I've had great, great times and years I've had

2407
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:55,480
Speaker 1: Canelo and studio before, Like I really appreciate that. But

2408
01:56:55,640 --> 01:56:58,440
Speaker 1: like the reasons we were excited about him at that

2409
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:01,360
Speaker 1: time and respect to what he was doing, none of

2410
01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:05,120
Speaker 1: that applies anymore. Like, you know, it's just we're not

2411
01:57:05,240 --> 01:57:08,400
Speaker 1: talking about the same kind of competitor, at least not

2412
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:12,440
Speaker 1: this stage. Anyway. It's disappointing, as I mean, I'm being

2413
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:14,600
Speaker 1: euphemistic when I say that it's disappointing.

2414
01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:17,920
Speaker 2: It did feel like a desperate pivot after that school

2415
01:57:17,960 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 2: fight ended to get Crawford right in the ring and

2416
01:57:20,520 --> 01:57:22,200
Speaker 2: Long Island look for the final time, can we show

2417
01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:24,920
Speaker 2: this face off? People were marveling at how tall and

2418
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:28,800
Speaker 2: already bigger Crawford looks. But obviously Crawford's not, you know,

2419
01:57:28,920 --> 01:57:31,320
Speaker 2: in a real camp right now. I'm sure he's preparing

2420
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:34,520
Speaker 2: and bulking up for this. Now he's saying, by the way, publicly,

2421
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:37,080
Speaker 2: Crawford that he would not go back to fifty four.

2422
01:57:37,160 --> 01:57:38,880
Speaker 2: Now he's saying he has two fights left of his

2423
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:41,840
Speaker 2: career and that will be it. It makes sense, Luke,

2424
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 2: because that means he should commit to putting on the

2425
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:47,360
Speaker 2: right amount of muscle that he'll need. But yeah, I

2426
01:57:47,400 --> 01:57:49,200
Speaker 2: think you're gonna see a lot of people picking him.

2427
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:50,760
Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting coming up.

2428
01:57:51,120 --> 01:57:53,400
Speaker 1: Count me down or put mark me down? Right now,

2429
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:57,280
Speaker 1: B see Crawford by I dare say stoppage.

2430
01:57:57,560 --> 01:57:58,960
Speaker 2: I just hope it's not. But I hope he doesn't

2431
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:02,560
Speaker 2: take the school game plan of how to avoid Canelo.

2432
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:04,920
Speaker 2: I mean, Canlo has always had problems with movers, people

2433
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:07,760
Speaker 2: with quick feet. Laura and Trout gave him to fights,

2434
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:10,480
Speaker 2: Danny Jacobs gave him to fight, you know, but this

2435
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:13,080
Speaker 2: is the next level. I think the quickness gap, it'll

2436
01:58:13,120 --> 01:58:16,160
Speaker 2: be it'll be insane, so we'll see wow, listen.

2437
01:58:16,240 --> 01:58:18,880
Speaker 1: At least he'll have to try. At least he'll have

2438
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:19,360
Speaker 1: to try.

2439
01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just want good things for the box, luke

2440
01:58:22,280 --> 01:58:23,040
Speaker 2: you that's what I want.

2441
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:24,120
Speaker 1: I want great weekend.

2442
01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:27,920
Speaker 2: Huh no, and thank you again to Cardonos from San

2443
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:30,280
Speaker 2: Antonio with the rat tail just he cut it before

2444
01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:31,960
Speaker 2: the fight, but he showed.

2445
01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:34,480
Speaker 1: Us dash driver huh DoorDash driver?

2446
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well yeah, that's one of my people right there.

2447
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:39,320
Speaker 2: And then you know, he was fun to cover on

2448
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:41,400
Speaker 2: show Box when I called this fight. He scored a

2449
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:44,080
Speaker 2: knock a knockout win in his hometown and came from

2450
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:46,040
Speaker 2: behind him to do it, so he's got balls. I

2451
01:58:46,120 --> 01:58:47,880
Speaker 2: hope he gets a fight off of this because that was.

2452
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:51,000
Speaker 1: Think he made a lot of friends. Uh, not just

2453
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:53,200
Speaker 1: because he turned into spirited performance, but because it was

2454
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:55,640
Speaker 1: like such a palate cleanser, yes to get him to

2455
01:58:55,720 --> 01:58:57,880
Speaker 1: do that, and then he he took to Twitter. I

2456
01:58:57,920 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 1: think after the fight was like not bad for a

2457
01:58:59,640 --> 01:59:02,120
Speaker 1: door dash d I was like, tell him, tell him so,

2458
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:05,800
Speaker 1: let him know what's a lyft drivers day.

2459
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:08,200
Speaker 2: And I liked Rafael Espinoza and the Comaine there, Luke,

2460
01:59:08,280 --> 01:59:11,920
Speaker 2: that's the guy I remember that upset was it was it, uh,

2461
01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:15,760
Speaker 2: the the Olympian, the Cuban Olympia in that top rank.

2462
01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:17,240
Speaker 1: Head Andy Kruz.

2463
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:20,520
Speaker 2: No, am I thinking Robas Ramirez or no, Yeah, that's

2464
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:22,920
Speaker 2: what I'm thinking. He upset him and then he's been

2465
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:24,760
Speaker 2: on like a nice little run and he had another

2466
01:59:25,400 --> 01:59:26,400
Speaker 2: good win on Saturday.

2467
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:26,640
Speaker 1: Luke.

2468
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:29,400
Speaker 2: Now he's in the in a way discussion. I know,

2469
01:59:29,480 --> 01:59:30,960
Speaker 2: in a way he's probably going to close the year

2470
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:33,440
Speaker 2: with Akmadaliev and then we'd all love to see him

2471
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:35,920
Speaker 2: against Juneto Nakatani if he comes up from one eighteen.

2472
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:38,880
Speaker 2: But there's fights at twenty six, whether it be ball,

2473
01:59:39,080 --> 01:59:42,120
Speaker 2: whether it be you know, uh the idea. Now Shoeshoe

2474
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:45,880
Speaker 2: wants him, and so does Rafael Espinoza. Spinosa's long that'd

2475
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:47,160
Speaker 2: be an interesting fight against in a.

2476
01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:49,280
Speaker 1: A bunch of good fights. Also, there was video of

2477
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:53,720
Speaker 1: Brandon Moreno usc flyway of Brandon Reno visiting Espinoza in

2478
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:56,480
Speaker 1: his locker room ahead of time. Shit yeah, and they

2479
01:59:56,520 --> 01:59:58,800
Speaker 1: were embracing and everyone was dapping everybody up. It was

2480
01:59:58,840 --> 02:00:00,440
Speaker 1: a moment I was like, dude, this is what we

2481
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:04,480
Speaker 1: dreamed of em you know, just being so big everywhere

2482
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:07,520
Speaker 1: that now, like in Mexico MMA fighters and boxers love

2483
02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:08,800
Speaker 1: each other like I love.

2484
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:11,120
Speaker 2: Moreno, what a great guy. Look, we got to skip

2485
02:00:11,200 --> 02:00:12,960
Speaker 2: DMS from Donks because we went so hard in the

2486
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:15,720
Speaker 2: paint on our five topics, rightfully, so we don't get

2487
02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:19,080
Speaker 2: weekends like this normally. But don't forget that morning.

2488
02:00:19,240 --> 02:00:22,200
Speaker 1: To check us out the studio. I mean, well, you look,

2489
02:00:22,280 --> 02:00:23,800
Speaker 1: if you want to hit it, I'll hit it. I

2490
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:25,720
Speaker 1: think we had a I think we should hit it.

2491
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:27,640
Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. Let's do it.

2492
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:30,200
Speaker 2: Pass the Ducci to the left side. This one is

2493
02:00:30,240 --> 02:00:33,440
Speaker 2: a chance every Sunday night that morning combat at Instagram

2494
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:36,480
Speaker 2: and the X you get your questions asked and apparently

2495
02:00:36,720 --> 02:00:39,120
Speaker 2: you're gonna get a answer to this is DMS from Donks.

2496
02:00:44,720 --> 02:00:45,080
Speaker 4: OK.

2497
02:00:45,160 --> 02:00:46,800
Speaker 1: Maybe I now regret doing it.

2498
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:50,480
Speaker 2: Maybe I should have played that video of Shannon Briggs

2499
02:00:50,480 --> 02:00:51,640
Speaker 2: said and Ryan Garcia too.

2500
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:54,120
Speaker 1: Hell, I didn't see it. What's the gist of it?

2501
02:00:54,160 --> 02:00:54,680
Speaker 1: What does he say?

2502
02:00:54,840 --> 02:00:55,080
Speaker 5: Maybe?

2503
02:00:55,320 --> 02:00:56,840
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe we should just play it at this point,

2504
02:00:57,080 --> 02:01:00,000
Speaker 2: just play that she had.

2505
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:07,400
Speaker 19: Your boy what's his name? Guar Seia, retire, retire worst

2506
02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:10,880
Speaker 19: fighter ever? Gar see you the worst fighter in boxing

2507
02:01:11,000 --> 02:01:13,600
Speaker 19: history because he shocked everybody with.

2508
02:01:13,640 --> 02:01:15,640
Speaker 1: A jab and a and the check hook.

2509
02:01:16,760 --> 02:01:17,920
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, he.

2510
02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:20,760
Speaker 19: Got good fundamentals, Like some shit is decent. He gotta

2511
02:01:20,840 --> 02:01:23,160
Speaker 19: keep his hands up and all that. But he ain't

2512
02:01:23,200 --> 02:01:24,000
Speaker 19: no fighter, y'all.

2513
02:01:24,520 --> 02:01:25,240
Speaker 3: All that drama.

2514
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:27,640
Speaker 19: Should he be doing all that racist shitt he be

2515
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:31,280
Speaker 19: doing and then to h to come back and fight

2516
02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:35,600
Speaker 19: like that you lost to Roly Roly not even a.

2517
02:01:37,400 --> 02:01:37,520
Speaker 1: Yo.

2518
02:01:37,720 --> 02:01:43,960
Speaker 19: Man, Boxing is crazy. Boxing is crazy right now. If

2519
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:48,360
Speaker 19: that's just if those are superstars, then what if that

2520
02:01:48,520 --> 02:01:49,000
Speaker 19: if that's.

2521
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:49,800
Speaker 1: What we got the man.

2522
02:01:51,240 --> 02:01:55,440
Speaker 19: Listen, cham I was right there ringside for all all

2523
02:01:55,640 --> 02:01:58,240
Speaker 19: fights I watched him on. I was I was like, damn,

2524
02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:05,280
Speaker 19: you know what I'm saying, horrible jamp he should all

2525
02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:06,960
Speaker 19: retire it dead.

2526
02:02:06,840 --> 02:02:11,160
Speaker 2: Ass wow Wow. I mean, look, it does feel like

2527
02:02:11,240 --> 02:02:13,720
Speaker 2: a like a real hangover right now from.

2528
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:17,480
Speaker 1: The weekend, like Garcia had it coming. I don't feel

2529
02:02:17,480 --> 02:02:19,160
Speaker 1: even the slightest degree of sympathy for him.

2530
02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, this sport needs to bounce back quick. But I'm

2531
02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:25,240
Speaker 2: a little nervous about some some some hands in this game.

2532
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:27,680
Speaker 2: But look, let's hear from our fans. This is Z

2533
02:02:28,360 --> 02:02:33,400
Speaker 2: Underscore or Z period f r M period ESP. He says,

2534
02:02:33,480 --> 02:02:38,640
Speaker 2: does Sanhagen have a better shot against morab or or O'Malley, Luke,

2535
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:42,080
Speaker 2: they're gonna see that rematch coming up in Newark? Who

2536
02:02:42,120 --> 02:02:43,480
Speaker 2: does he have a better shot at beating?

2537
02:02:44,520 --> 02:02:47,800
Speaker 1: I think he has a more simplified task. That's not

2538
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:50,880
Speaker 1: to say an easier time. It's just Morob. It's like,

2539
02:02:50,920 --> 02:02:53,240
Speaker 1: if you can't beat the wrestling, it's kind of over

2540
02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:53,600
Speaker 1: for you.

2541
02:02:53,760 --> 02:02:53,960
Speaker 10: You know.

2542
02:02:54,120 --> 02:02:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's gonna ruin your night.

2543
02:02:55,800 --> 02:02:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll ruin your knight. But it feels like with

2544
02:02:57,680 --> 02:03:00,360
Speaker 1: O'Malley he could strike with him and also, you know,

2545
02:03:00,520 --> 02:03:02,680
Speaker 1: mix up the grappling just kind of your top bottom,

2546
02:03:02,680 --> 02:03:05,640
Speaker 1: top bottom, top bottom, and that could you know, that

2547
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:07,839
Speaker 1: makes it a harder task in terms of the diversity.

2548
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:13,440
Speaker 2: But the answer is O'Malley, Luke, I can tell me why? Well,

2549
02:03:13,480 --> 02:03:15,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you just eloquently laid it out, and you

2550
02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:17,880
Speaker 2: had another point at the end, Luke, that I pulled

2551
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:20,640
Speaker 2: from you. I'm sorry. I love if you land that plane, Sully.

2552
02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:25,680
Speaker 2: But ultimately, Luke, I just think that Morob's physicality would

2553
02:03:25,680 --> 02:03:27,560
Speaker 2: be a problem for him over twenty five minutes. It

2554
02:03:27,560 --> 02:03:29,760
Speaker 2: would take too much of his gas tank away from him.

2555
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:32,240
Speaker 2: It would it would be a burden where I think

2556
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:35,000
Speaker 2: the idea of playing chess with O'Malley, and I'm not

2557
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 2: trying to act like O'Malley doesn't have chess skills in

2558
02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:41,480
Speaker 2: IQ and obviously athleticism, but I feel like Corey is

2559
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:43,080
Speaker 2: going to be able to open up parts of his

2560
02:03:43,200 --> 02:03:46,080
Speaker 2: game that just wouldn't work against Morob but will work

2561
02:03:46,120 --> 02:03:49,720
Speaker 2: against O'Malley in a striking duel, you know, a low

2562
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:53,680
Speaker 2: output but but smart kind of tense striking duel. But

2563
02:03:53,800 --> 02:03:56,160
Speaker 2: I think Corey is thinking, man, I'll win that battle,

2564
02:03:56,200 --> 02:03:59,720
Speaker 2: and I got the advantages on the ground, so you know,

2565
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:01,520
Speaker 2: I'm I'm thinking long out. Look, what would be the

2566
02:04:01,560 --> 02:04:04,680
Speaker 2: odds right now? O'Malley Sanagen, right freaking now, set the

2567
02:04:04,840 --> 02:04:05,760
Speaker 2: MK odds.

2568
02:04:06,240 --> 02:04:12,000
Speaker 4: O'Malley, Sandagen, I'm going sand Haagen minus one seventy five

2569
02:04:12,160 --> 02:04:14,480
Speaker 4: back Mally plus one fifty exactly.

2570
02:04:14,600 --> 02:04:16,840
Speaker 1: There it is, there, it is. We need to open

2571
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:17,440
Speaker 1: our own book.

2572
02:04:17,680 --> 02:04:18,760
Speaker 2: We can lost a shitcoin.

2573
02:04:18,920 --> 02:04:20,840
Speaker 1: Well, last thing is what might be interesting is there

2574
02:04:21,120 --> 02:04:23,720
Speaker 1: so many times you saw Corey invert in this fight,

2575
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:27,200
Speaker 1: either backside fifty to fifty or other stuff. One kind

2576
02:04:27,200 --> 02:04:29,480
Speaker 1: of interesting thing is like maybe they invite, not invite

2577
02:04:29,520 --> 02:04:30,960
Speaker 1: the takedown, but rather than just trying to be like,

2578
02:04:31,000 --> 02:04:32,800
Speaker 1: oh we gotta fight the takedown, fight to take down

2579
02:04:32,840 --> 02:04:35,240
Speaker 1: from a rob maybe it's like, all right, fight the takedown,

2580
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:38,760
Speaker 1: but if it doesn't work, leg entanglement and see what

2581
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:41,280
Speaker 1: you can do with that. And I wonder, I wonder

2582
02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:41,920
Speaker 1: what that might do.

2583
02:04:42,520 --> 02:04:45,120
Speaker 2: It's very interesting. Look before we hit the second question,

2584
02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:48,160
Speaker 2: did you see that for UFC three fifteen because it's

2585
02:04:48,200 --> 02:04:50,920
Speaker 2: in Canada, in Montreal, Joe Rogan is out. He said

2586
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:52,760
Speaker 2: it will never call a fight in Canada. He's gonna

2587
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:54,960
Speaker 2: live up to it. Dom Cruise taking the chair.

2588
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, hell, yeah, yeah, I would have preferred. Now

2589
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:01,200
Speaker 1: I'll take Cruise, dude.

2590
02:05:01,400 --> 02:05:03,960
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that the best trio. It's like, it's

2591
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:05,680
Speaker 2: like when I say about Peanut, Butter and Cheese. You

2592
02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:08,160
Speaker 2: can't knock it until you try it. The best trio

2593
02:05:08,280 --> 02:05:11,160
Speaker 2: on pay per views. Geese's try it, Just try it,

2594
02:05:11,200 --> 02:05:12,200
Speaker 2: try it and change your life.

2595
02:05:12,400 --> 02:05:14,040
Speaker 1: Is and bro, do you find that out in prison?

2596
02:05:14,160 --> 02:05:15,320
Speaker 1: How the fuck did you call those?

2597
02:05:15,480 --> 02:05:15,520
Speaker 12: No?

2598
02:05:15,640 --> 02:05:17,080
Speaker 2: I found that out in the factory telling when I

2599
02:05:17,080 --> 02:05:19,000
Speaker 2: was a kid. But looke, let me tell you that

2600
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:22,840
Speaker 2: the ANNEK D C. Cruiz trio. In reality, folks, you

2601
02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:25,040
Speaker 2: need to realize this is the best combo.

2602
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:25,400
Speaker 12: It is.

2603
02:05:25,680 --> 02:05:27,120
Speaker 2: It's the best trio. All right.

2604
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:29,760
Speaker 1: I've had m R s when I was in the

2605
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:32,160
Speaker 1: military that had cheese and peanut butter in them.

2606
02:05:32,680 --> 02:05:33,600
Speaker 2: You know, I've eaten some.

2607
02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:36,720
Speaker 1: I've eaten some nub ass ways, but I never mixed them. Dude.

2608
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:39,560
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I mean I think you're gonna find out,

2609
02:05:39,640 --> 02:05:41,840
Speaker 2: you know, Luke, just like you found out about BBLS.

2610
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:46,880
Speaker 2: You know, You're like, I gotta yeah, here it is

2611
02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:47,480
Speaker 2: there it is.

2612
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:48,000
Speaker 1: Hey.

2613
02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:51,400
Speaker 2: This one was from X A L Underscore nine thousand

2614
02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:54,600
Speaker 2: and nine. Is it just me? Or is Paul Felder

2615
02:05:54,640 --> 02:05:58,080
Speaker 2: and Laura Sanko the best com commentary combination?

2616
02:05:58,600 --> 02:06:00,000
Speaker 1: DC and Rogan are great.

2617
02:05:59,800 --> 02:06:02,560
Speaker 2: He says in the OMG moments, but the former flow

2618
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:06,400
Speaker 2: so much better and give much greater insight. Yeah, that's

2619
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:07,720
Speaker 2: an all star duo there.

2620
02:06:08,160 --> 02:06:08,960
Speaker 1: That's my favorite.

2621
02:06:09,080 --> 02:06:12,400
Speaker 2: That's my number two team behind DC and Cruz as

2622
02:06:12,440 --> 02:06:17,080
Speaker 2: an analyst pair. It's those two and less biz ping

2623
02:06:17,280 --> 02:06:20,680
Speaker 2: is more. Look Yeah, all right, okay, thank.

2624
02:06:20,520 --> 02:06:22,680
Speaker 1: You, Because he does tend to talk a lot, you know,

2625
02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:23,040
Speaker 1: he does.

2626
02:06:25,080 --> 02:06:29,280
Speaker 2: Our next question comes from poorly painted ponies. If Billal

2627
02:06:29,400 --> 02:06:32,240
Speaker 2: defeats JDM and moves up to middleweight so Islam can

2628
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:34,960
Speaker 2: fight for the vacant belt. Is Islam versus Brady the

2629
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:37,720
Speaker 2: closest fight we can get to test a pound for

2630
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:39,640
Speaker 2: pound athlete versus a gorilla.

2631
02:06:42,600 --> 02:06:50,200
Speaker 1: This is not a good question. Yes, I mean, this

2632
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:54,840
Speaker 1: is a silly question. But I'll say this. We've never

2633
02:06:54,840 --> 02:06:56,280
Speaker 1: really talked about it, but well, I guess we will

2634
02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:59,800
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. The possibility of Islam going to seventy is

2635
02:07:00,720 --> 02:07:04,120
Speaker 1: to me, like everyone's like ilia Islam, and it's like, okay,

2636
02:07:04,160 --> 02:07:05,680
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, who the hell doesn't want to

2637
02:07:05,680 --> 02:07:06,120
Speaker 1: see that fight?

2638
02:07:06,280 --> 02:07:06,360
Speaker 12: Right?

2639
02:07:06,760 --> 02:07:08,800
Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you that, like, if Islam can

2640
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:10,920
Speaker 1: extend his career a little bit by having some new

2641
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:13,480
Speaker 1: life at one seventy, yes here, I'm here for it, dude,

2642
02:07:13,560 --> 02:07:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm here.

2643
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:15,960
Speaker 2: I am here for it too. I mean, him against

2644
02:07:16,120 --> 02:07:19,640
Speaker 2: everyone in that top group of like people that aren't

2645
02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:21,040
Speaker 2: washed yet would be wonderful.

2646
02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:24,440
Speaker 1: You know, there's lots of new blood at one seventy.

2647
02:07:24,920 --> 02:07:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, indeed, right there, Let's hear it from Magan Donni.

2648
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:33,840
Speaker 2: Magan Danny says following UFC des Moines undefeated fighters are

2649
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:37,280
Speaker 2: now thirteen and twenty two in the UFC in twenty

2650
02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:40,880
Speaker 2: twenty five. Is this a reflection of tougher matchmaking or

2651
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:44,960
Speaker 2: guys not being that good and only having inflated records?

2652
02:07:46,360 --> 02:07:48,960
Speaker 1: I didn't feel, dude, Bo Nichol was what seven and

2653
02:07:49,080 --> 02:07:51,960
Speaker 1: oh heading into this fight. That's not an inflated record.

2654
02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:55,240
Speaker 1: An inflated record is if you're like eighteen in oh

2655
02:07:55,560 --> 02:07:57,680
Speaker 1: and you've fought a bunch of fucking bombs.

2656
02:07:58,040 --> 02:07:59,800
Speaker 2: Like you want to you want to say Nichol shouldn't

2657
02:07:59,800 --> 02:08:01,040
Speaker 2: have been on three hundred main card.

2658
02:08:01,120 --> 02:08:05,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can make, but that's not an inflated record exactly.

2659
02:08:07,560 --> 02:08:11,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you see tougher matchmaking, maybe could

2660
02:08:11,360 --> 02:08:12,480
Speaker 1: just be coincid central.

2661
02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:15,680
Speaker 2: You catch elves in this game and in very few

2662
02:08:15,800 --> 02:08:18,680
Speaker 2: go like on a six fight, seven fight win streak

2663
02:08:18,720 --> 02:08:19,960
Speaker 2: to open their UFC career.

2664
02:08:20,040 --> 02:08:22,160
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, fair enough.

2665
02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right? I mean only one percent make good

2666
02:08:25,280 --> 02:08:27,920
Speaker 2: money in the USC, Luke, it's the one percent rule.

2667
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:28,160
Speaker 12: You know.

2668
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:32,520
Speaker 2: This final one comes from probably Brian, but he spells

2669
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:35,040
Speaker 2: it with it why Luc And since I'm an eye guy,

2670
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:36,760
Speaker 2: don't I don't know if.

2671
02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:39,560
Speaker 1: I have found that I think people that spell their

2672
02:08:39,640 --> 02:08:42,520
Speaker 1: names with eyes are better than the whys. That's my person.

2673
02:08:42,560 --> 02:08:44,360
Speaker 1: Thank you for siding with me.

2674
02:08:45,080 --> 02:08:48,520
Speaker 2: This man, this man asks what is the best pizza

2675
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:50,880
Speaker 2: place in New York and Connecticut?

2676
02:08:51,400 --> 02:08:53,600
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me let me hazard a guest BC

2677
02:08:53,760 --> 02:08:55,240
Speaker 1: and you can fact check me. How's that sound?

2678
02:08:55,360 --> 02:08:55,480
Speaker 4: Yes?

2679
02:08:55,560 --> 02:08:56,240
Speaker 2: That sounds great?

2680
02:08:56,480 --> 02:08:59,720
Speaker 1: All right, I'm not I don't have love or hate

2681
02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:01,960
Speaker 1: for Fortnoy. I don't know much about him. We met

2682
02:09:02,040 --> 02:09:03,920
Speaker 1: him one time at the what fight was that? It

2683
02:09:04,040 --> 02:09:05,520
Speaker 1: was a Jake Paul something that.

2684
02:09:05,640 --> 02:09:07,960
Speaker 2: Was Cleveland, and he couldn't have wanted to sit with

2685
02:09:08,120 --> 02:09:08,440
Speaker 2: us less.

2686
02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:11,480
Speaker 1: But he wasn't shitty to us. He wasn't shitty. But

2687
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:14,560
Speaker 1: I saw a video was a big cat. Big cat

2688
02:09:14,640 --> 02:09:17,080
Speaker 1: was nice. Big cat was super friendly. Yes, no, he wasn't.

2689
02:09:17,160 --> 02:09:18,960
Speaker 2: He was like, can you back up? These can remember

2690
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:19,360
Speaker 2: the dogs?

2691
02:09:19,360 --> 02:09:20,840
Speaker 1: Oh he was friendly to me afterwards?

2692
02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:22,000
Speaker 2: Oh really? Okay?

2693
02:09:22,240 --> 02:09:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, he actually followed me on Twitter after that.

2694
02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:25,680
Speaker 2: So oh nice?

2695
02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:29,200
Speaker 1: Sorry shout him out him out and PFT commentary is

2696
02:09:29,240 --> 02:09:31,760
Speaker 1: a uh. And then Robbie Fox there's more marstool guys.

2697
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:33,520
Speaker 1: I definitely like, I don't know anything about him enough

2698
02:09:33,640 --> 02:09:35,080
Speaker 1: to know. I mean, I know there's been like allegations

2699
02:09:35,080 --> 02:09:37,400
Speaker 1: about I'm just pointing out this for pizza, the guy

2700
02:09:37,680 --> 02:09:39,920
Speaker 1: like has tried a million places, and he was like,

2701
02:09:40,360 --> 02:09:42,640
Speaker 1: I've been to pizza in Italy, I've done pizza in

2702
02:09:42,720 --> 02:09:46,400
Speaker 1: New York and LA. And he said, New Haven, Connecticut

2703
02:09:46,600 --> 02:09:48,960
Speaker 1: by far, it can't be touched. Like, it's not just

2704
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:51,920
Speaker 1: a clear winner, it's a clear winner by a considerable distance. Okay,

2705
02:09:52,600 --> 02:09:56,160
Speaker 1: so I have to believe he's right now on New

2706
02:09:56,240 --> 02:09:59,240
Speaker 1: York City. May I offer a spot that I feel

2707
02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:01,720
Speaker 1: like is good. I when I lived in New York,

2708
02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:04,000
Speaker 1: my favorite spot at the time was Bleaker Street Pizza,

2709
02:10:04,080 --> 02:10:06,600
Speaker 1: which is pretty good but not the best anymore. But

2710
02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:09,040
Speaker 1: when I went back BC, it was a viral place.

2711
02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:13,400
Speaker 1: Mama twos, have you been there? What's it called? Mama twos?

2712
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:15,200
Speaker 2: No, I haven't, I haven't.

2713
02:10:15,480 --> 02:10:18,600
Speaker 1: Holy fucking shit, bro, have you seen that white guy

2714
02:10:18,960 --> 02:10:21,440
Speaker 1: who puts on the hat it says yes chef on

2715
02:10:21,560 --> 02:10:23,839
Speaker 1: it and he tries viral food everywhere.

2716
02:10:25,040 --> 02:10:26,200
Speaker 2: I don't recall him.

2717
02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm more of like a boomery. No, I don't know,

2718
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:33,000
Speaker 1: all right, So he he wears a hat and every

2719
02:10:33,120 --> 02:10:35,680
Speaker 1: everywhere he goes it just says yes. Chef. It's a

2720
02:10:35,720 --> 02:10:38,080
Speaker 1: white guy. He went to Mama twos and then, uh,

2721
02:10:38,720 --> 02:10:40,440
Speaker 1: maybe I'm saying the name wrong, but I believe that's right.

2722
02:10:40,840 --> 02:10:42,080
Speaker 1: He went there, and I was like, all right, when

2723
02:10:42,120 --> 02:10:44,440
Speaker 1: I took Twoky, I had to go for that. It

2724
02:10:44,760 --> 02:10:49,880
Speaker 1: was it's fucking insane, like, and they make different styles there.

2725
02:10:50,800 --> 02:10:55,160
Speaker 1: Everything was like perfectly made. They make their own bread there.

2726
02:10:55,480 --> 02:10:57,080
Speaker 1: The pizza place has to make their own bread. I

2727
02:10:57,120 --> 02:10:59,200
Speaker 1: feel like that's like a requirement. So let me look

2728
02:10:59,240 --> 02:11:00,520
Speaker 1: this up and make sure I got a name right.

2729
02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:03,760
Speaker 2: But Mama New York City has some great They got

2730
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:05,120
Speaker 2: a lot of shitty pizza, but they got.

2731
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:07,959
Speaker 1: Some great, great, great, great great.

2732
02:11:07,840 --> 02:11:08,440
Speaker 2: Shit in there.

2733
02:11:08,640 --> 02:11:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2734
02:11:10,160 --> 02:11:12,520
Speaker 2: If I think if you're going classic new Haven in

2735
02:11:12,560 --> 02:11:15,400
Speaker 2: the and the typical players there, I'm a Sally's guy.

2736
02:11:15,880 --> 02:11:20,440
Speaker 2: At the highest end, I probably I prefer bar bar

2737
02:11:20,560 --> 02:11:22,720
Speaker 2: is probably my favorite. But as you've heard me say,

2738
02:11:22,760 --> 02:11:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm not even though New Haven style pizza, the Sicilian abeats,

2739
02:11:27,920 --> 02:11:30,480
Speaker 2: it's great, it's not just just not my preferred style.

2740
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:32,880
Speaker 2: So I can give you a million different mom and

2741
02:11:32,920 --> 02:11:35,440
Speaker 2: pop Greek places that will blow you right in the

2742
02:11:35,480 --> 02:11:38,040
Speaker 2: a hole, Luke, But not everybody likes that sensation.

2743
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:41,960
Speaker 1: So it's uh uh, it's Mama's too, not Mama Too's

2744
02:11:42,080 --> 02:11:44,760
Speaker 1: Mama's too. Check that out, New York.

2745
02:11:45,120 --> 02:11:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there we go, Mama. That's the d MS

2746
02:11:48,280 --> 02:11:50,360
Speaker 2: of the week. Thank you for playing, Thank you Luke

2747
02:11:50,400 --> 02:11:52,880
Speaker 2: for accepting, and now we have one more thing.

2748
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:53,120
Speaker 1: Now.

2749
02:11:53,160 --> 02:11:56,400
Speaker 2: Look, it's hard to do this when we're out of

2750
02:11:56,480 --> 02:11:58,600
Speaker 2: the studio because that means I can't rely on sound

2751
02:11:58,680 --> 02:12:01,240
Speaker 2: because we can't talk over the videos without it being

2752
02:12:01,280 --> 02:12:07,160
Speaker 2: too loud. So I try to program these remote episodes differently.

2753
02:12:07,240 --> 02:12:08,720
Speaker 2: But let's see if I can get at least a

2754
02:12:08,800 --> 02:12:11,520
Speaker 2: B plus here, Luke, this is the viral clips of

2755
02:12:11,560 --> 02:12:14,080
Speaker 2: the week. There's a lot of shit. Have you seen it?

2756
02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:27,000
Speaker 2: Luke Rising took over Japan on over the weekend and

2757
02:12:27,080 --> 02:12:30,360
Speaker 2: had a big MMA in UFC influence.

2758
02:12:30,440 --> 02:12:30,600
Speaker 1: There.

2759
02:12:30,640 --> 02:12:34,000
Speaker 2: We got Alex Pereira as dressing the crowd, we got

2760
02:12:34,080 --> 02:12:36,800
Speaker 2: Mark Coleman banging the drums on stage, and we got

2761
02:12:37,000 --> 02:12:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeri Prohatska and a damn diaper.

2762
02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:42,360
Speaker 1: Luke, your thoughts, God bless this man.

2763
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:44,000
Speaker 12: God.

2764
02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:48,560
Speaker 1: I am so dude. If you don't have a jacked

2765
02:12:48,720 --> 02:12:53,680
Speaker 1: weirdo in MMA, you don't know what you're missing. Like,

2766
02:12:54,280 --> 02:12:56,440
Speaker 1: first of all, I love that YERI like fixed his

2767
02:12:56,600 --> 02:12:59,080
Speaker 1: style a little bit. So now he's like as like

2768
02:12:59,400 --> 02:13:01,000
Speaker 1: I would argue, as good as he's ever been, and

2769
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:03,560
Speaker 1: probably the best he's ever been. But he didn't let

2770
02:13:03,640 --> 02:13:07,120
Speaker 1: go of his weirdness. He kept it. That is exactly

2771
02:13:07,200 --> 02:13:10,000
Speaker 1: what we wanted. We wanted to keep the weirdo. Just

2772
02:13:10,120 --> 02:13:13,760
Speaker 1: tighten up the defense. We have reached peak eerie Prohatchka,

2773
02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm here for it.

2774
02:13:14,840 --> 02:13:17,520
Speaker 2: You know they have that saying keep Austin weird, Luke,

2775
02:13:17,640 --> 02:13:21,200
Speaker 2: That's right, you know weird dude. All the comedians are

2776
02:13:21,240 --> 02:13:23,040
Speaker 2: moving there, Luke, would you ever move to Austin?

2777
02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:26,760
Speaker 1: I'd rather get shot in the face with liquid ebola

2778
02:13:26,840 --> 02:13:29,240
Speaker 1: than okay, right here you go.

2779
02:13:30,200 --> 02:13:33,280
Speaker 2: Also, Luke, Ryan Batter was there. He announced the signing

2780
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:37,320
Speaker 2: with rise In and then Saki Kabara or as Luke

2781
02:13:37,360 --> 02:13:40,960
Speaker 2: would say, would you called shit cake Kabar? At that time,

2782
02:13:41,080 --> 02:13:43,600
Speaker 2: I was like, well that was aggressive. Look, he said

2783
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:47,680
Speaker 2: Darth Batter would face the winner of the Heavyweight Grand

2784
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:50,400
Speaker 2: Prix on New Year's Eve. Your thoughts. He would face

2785
02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:53,720
Speaker 2: who the winner of the rise In Heavyweight Grand Prix

2786
02:13:54,160 --> 02:13:55,160
Speaker 2: and the fight would.

2787
02:13:54,920 --> 02:13:57,560
Speaker 1: Take I'll tell you what Ryan Bator has managed to

2788
02:13:57,640 --> 02:14:00,440
Speaker 1: have a pretty long career and a pretty good one.

2789
02:14:01,320 --> 02:14:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have super interest in that fight.

2790
02:14:03,240 --> 02:14:06,960
Speaker 1: But anything that keeps rising on good terms and is

2791
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:09,000
Speaker 1: good for the fighters, I'm here for.

2792
02:14:09,360 --> 02:14:13,800
Speaker 2: Okay, are you here for big fails on the MLB diamond, Luke?

2793
02:14:14,120 --> 02:14:17,760
Speaker 2: Let's go to your here's your Washington Nationals during a

2794
02:14:17,800 --> 02:14:21,120
Speaker 2: little bit of a rain scare. Oh no, there's a

2795
02:14:21,200 --> 02:14:22,320
Speaker 2: piper down, Luke.

2796
02:14:22,480 --> 02:14:26,600
Speaker 1: Oh boy, he just roll them up, Just roll him up.

2797
02:14:27,440 --> 02:14:28,080
Speaker 2: That's assault.

2798
02:14:28,160 --> 02:14:28,400
Speaker 3: Brother.

2799
02:14:28,560 --> 02:14:33,960
Speaker 1: Wow? All right, yeah man, Fuck the Mets. How about that?

2800
02:14:34,240 --> 02:14:37,800
Speaker 2: No f your team, Luke, the fake expos is over there.

2801
02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:39,000
Speaker 4: Whatever the Mets.

2802
02:14:39,720 --> 02:14:41,520
Speaker 1: They took our team from us and then gave it

2803
02:14:41,600 --> 02:14:43,160
Speaker 1: back to us later. Y'all can eat shit.

2804
02:14:44,080 --> 02:14:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so can people who call the team US. That's

2805
02:14:46,960 --> 02:14:49,600
Speaker 2: incredible where I come from, Luke. Wow, let's go to

2806
02:14:49,640 --> 02:14:53,560
Speaker 2: the Marlins game. Check out this first baseman. They call

2807
02:14:53,680 --> 02:14:56,640
Speaker 2: this the cup check. Apparently, Luke, there's a nice grounder

2808
02:14:56,720 --> 02:14:57,040
Speaker 2: to shore.

2809
02:14:57,160 --> 02:15:00,800
Speaker 1: You throw the ball, let's see. Oh oh yeah, buddy,

2810
02:15:00,920 --> 02:15:03,440
Speaker 1: Oh boy, does he know you're supposed to catch that

2811
02:15:03,560 --> 02:15:04,080
Speaker 1: with the glove.

2812
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:08,360
Speaker 2: He tried to catch it with his magine. Apparently, Lukes straight,

2813
02:15:08,600 --> 02:15:10,680
Speaker 2: you know, just straight up, like, yeah, all.

2814
02:15:10,640 --> 02:15:14,320
Speaker 1: Right, clam trap, West Virginia.

2815
02:15:14,440 --> 02:15:17,320
Speaker 2: Baseball time, Luke. Here's their celebration in the outfield.

2816
02:15:17,400 --> 02:15:18,880
Speaker 1: Your thoughts the mountaine ears?

2817
02:15:22,520 --> 02:15:25,880
Speaker 2: Okay, that camera was like, let's so they're just banging

2818
02:15:25,960 --> 02:15:28,600
Speaker 2: in the locker room. May possibly, all right, Tom for

2819
02:15:28,800 --> 02:15:32,400
Speaker 2: MMA fighters in the wild. Here's Morob climbing a mountain

2820
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:33,879
Speaker 2: and they're doing.

2821
02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:39,919
Speaker 1: Dangerous I mean, Morob, buddy, watch.

2822
02:15:39,840 --> 02:15:43,440
Speaker 2: This, Luke, no net, no strings attached.

2823
02:15:43,880 --> 02:15:46,920
Speaker 1: Oh my fucking god, dude.

2824
02:15:46,920 --> 02:15:48,760
Speaker 2: O Mellley almost became champion right there.

2825
02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:52,720
Speaker 1: Okay, remember how I said, keep Yerie weird. Yeah, we

2826
02:15:52,840 --> 02:15:54,280
Speaker 1: gotta make Morob less weird.

2827
02:15:55,880 --> 02:15:58,160
Speaker 2: Do you think, like shop he needs a handler, Luke?

2828
02:15:58,320 --> 02:16:02,879
Speaker 1: Or what you know? Okay, all right, all right, skitz

2829
02:16:02,920 --> 02:16:03,360
Speaker 1: and bits.

2830
02:16:04,720 --> 02:16:08,240
Speaker 2: All right, hey, peed check time, Luke. I could show

2831
02:16:08,240 --> 02:16:10,400
Speaker 2: you a picture of Devin Haney, who looked spectacular on

2832
02:16:10,520 --> 02:16:14,920
Speaker 2: the scales the other day, throwing a single punch. Uh

2833
02:16:15,440 --> 02:16:20,800
Speaker 2: you know, MMA lawyer Ernie Eric mcgracken. Yes, Luke, this

2834
02:16:20,960 --> 02:16:22,640
Speaker 2: is not This cannot be natural.

2835
02:16:23,360 --> 02:16:26,720
Speaker 1: My man is either working hard or he and Ryan

2836
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:28,720
Speaker 1: Garcia know a lot about ostary together. You know what

2837
02:16:28,760 --> 02:16:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

2838
02:16:31,080 --> 02:16:33,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he might have p ninety X that ship

2839
02:16:33,360 --> 02:16:35,760
Speaker 2: into like, wow, all right, I mean, here's the thing.

2840
02:16:35,840 --> 02:16:38,200
Speaker 1: It's like, let me ask you a question though, right,

2841
02:16:38,280 --> 02:16:40,560
Speaker 1: So let's let's think about this for a second. If

2842
02:16:40,640 --> 02:16:43,400
Speaker 1: the choice is to have a lawyer who's kind of

2843
02:16:43,480 --> 02:16:47,320
Speaker 1: fat or like kind of jacked, yeah, I'm taking the

2844
02:16:47,400 --> 02:16:49,160
Speaker 1: kind of jacked one, right, fighter.

2845
02:16:49,320 --> 02:16:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there you go, shout out to Ripped mcgracken

2846
02:16:52,760 --> 02:16:56,920
Speaker 2: over there. Yeah. Tech talk time, Luke. You love tech talk.

2847
02:16:57,280 --> 02:17:00,520
Speaker 2: You love reading the expert reviews and trying to figure

2848
02:17:00,560 --> 02:17:03,440
Speaker 2: out what's the best quality microphone at the best price.

2849
02:17:03,480 --> 02:17:04,320
Speaker 2: You do that all the time.

2850
02:17:04,360 --> 02:17:04,960
Speaker 1: Let's watch on.

2851
02:17:05,879 --> 02:17:07,440
Speaker 5: I want to see if you can tell the difference

2852
02:17:07,440 --> 02:17:11,280
Speaker 5: between this four hundred dollars Sure SM seven B microphone

2853
02:17:11,600 --> 02:17:14,320
Speaker 5: for this ten dollars Amazon Prime microphone.

2854
02:17:14,840 --> 02:17:15,600
Speaker 13: My body.

2855
02:17:18,200 --> 02:17:24,920
Speaker 1: Ooh, by the way, this is the sure SM seven

2856
02:17:25,000 --> 02:17:27,200
Speaker 1: B right here. So I don't know which one it was, but.

2857
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:31,560
Speaker 2: It's the better micro Luke used to text me.

2858
02:17:33,320 --> 02:17:39,480
Speaker 1: Verbal recordings of you to I haven't saved all right,

2859
02:17:39,959 --> 02:17:43,720
Speaker 1: hold on, no, he go on, I got one. I

2860
02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:47,240
Speaker 1: got one ready, Let's see. I don't know which one

2861
02:17:47,280 --> 02:17:48,040
Speaker 1: it is. Let's see.

2862
02:17:50,040 --> 02:17:51,640
Speaker 2: Do you record your whole family? Luke?

2863
02:17:52,160 --> 02:17:52,440
Speaker 1: Hang on.

2864
02:17:55,840 --> 02:18:03,119
Speaker 2: Oh god, that was not really okay, all right, Hey

2865
02:18:03,240 --> 02:18:06,119
Speaker 2: moving on now, Luke. Uh, there's got.

2866
02:18:06,760 --> 02:18:08,199
Speaker 1: I'm forty five years old.

2867
02:18:09,320 --> 02:18:12,480
Speaker 2: Well, looke, tell me if you've ever tried this or

2868
02:18:12,520 --> 02:18:13,280
Speaker 2: would you try this?

2869
02:18:15,360 --> 02:18:15,680
Speaker 1: Okay?

2870
02:18:16,600 --> 02:18:23,279
Speaker 2: Yep, uh, I mean it's it's cost effective.

2871
02:18:23,440 --> 02:18:29,360
Speaker 1: Oh okay, kill them all, kill your.

2872
02:18:29,560 --> 02:18:32,480
Speaker 2: Look, your fight of the week comes from this badminton game.

2873
02:18:32,560 --> 02:18:32,960
Speaker 2: Watch this.

2874
02:18:35,080 --> 02:18:37,720
Speaker 1: Oh dude, they're fucking throwing hands in this game again

2875
02:18:37,800 --> 02:18:38,160
Speaker 1: after it?

2876
02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:38,600
Speaker 3: Look at that?

2877
02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:40,720
Speaker 1: Yep? Is that Devin Haney?

2878
02:18:40,800 --> 02:18:45,160
Speaker 2: And and how dare you that is too soon? Yeah?

2879
02:18:45,160 --> 02:18:46,640
Speaker 2: They just threw some ship. Look at this.

2880
02:18:47,520 --> 02:18:50,039
Speaker 1: This is this is actually better than Devin Handy.

2881
02:18:49,879 --> 02:19:00,920
Speaker 2: Versus gets out ja hearn gets laid out at Like, No, dude, yeah.

2882
02:19:00,760 --> 02:19:02,680
Speaker 1: That's what do we know what precipitated that?

2883
02:19:03,320 --> 02:19:06,800
Speaker 2: No, but it's great, just pure hopefully oust Look to

2884
02:19:06,959 --> 02:19:09,960
Speaker 2: be fair, let's go to you ever see someone rage

2885
02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:10,920
Speaker 2: out at the pool table?

2886
02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:11,240
Speaker 1: Oh?

2887
02:19:11,320 --> 02:19:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's something right there.

2888
02:19:25,520 --> 02:19:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're that bad at pool, can you

2889
02:19:27,800 --> 02:19:30,680
Speaker 1: be that surprised that you were that bad at pool?

2890
02:19:30,840 --> 02:19:33,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems stage to me, Luke, it's time

2891
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:35,520
Speaker 2: to cleanse the palate with a little bit of rate.

2892
02:19:36,040 --> 02:19:39,680
Speaker 2: That TAT we need a one to ten score, ten

2893
02:19:39,800 --> 02:19:43,480
Speaker 2: being the best. First, let's talk about former champ Brandon

2894
02:19:43,680 --> 02:19:45,680
Speaker 2: Moreno getting a new chest tat.

2895
02:19:46,280 --> 02:19:49,800
Speaker 1: That is a ten out of ten. That is absolutely

2896
02:19:50,840 --> 02:19:55,240
Speaker 1: first rate tattooing. Look at the color saturation, look at

2897
02:19:55,280 --> 02:19:58,640
Speaker 1: the line work, look at how it shines in certain

2898
02:19:58,760 --> 02:20:03,000
Speaker 1: parts that's reflected back at you. The shading that is

2899
02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:05,959
Speaker 1: that is just about as good as tattooing gets.

2900
02:20:06,280 --> 02:20:09,200
Speaker 2: Luke, that tattoo artist definitely owns at least seven bongs.

2901
02:20:09,320 --> 02:20:11,000
Speaker 2: This house definitely Yeah.

2902
02:20:10,879 --> 02:20:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're the best tattoos that I've ever gotten.

2903
02:20:14,800 --> 02:20:17,640
Speaker 1: All happened from dudes who you would not classify as normal,

2904
02:20:17,720 --> 02:20:19,480
Speaker 1: and that's how it should be. That is there.

2905
02:20:19,520 --> 02:20:23,360
Speaker 2: They're unbelievable artist. The art is incredible. Let's go to

2906
02:20:23,440 --> 02:20:25,960
Speaker 2: super Mario back tat time. Luke, we need one to

2907
02:20:26,040 --> 02:20:26,520
Speaker 2: ten rate.

2908
02:20:26,440 --> 02:20:33,480
Speaker 1: This tat three? WHOA, really, yeah, this is not that great?

2909
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:36,640
Speaker 1: Like it's the color. Look at look at the difference

2910
02:20:36,680 --> 02:20:39,840
Speaker 1: in the saturation of color between this and Brandon Moreno's.

2911
02:20:39,440 --> 02:20:42,640
Speaker 2: Like this is it looks decent like a seven and

2912
02:20:42,720 --> 02:20:43,360
Speaker 2: a half right.

2913
02:20:43,320 --> 02:20:44,600
Speaker 1: Now, no five at best?

2914
02:20:45,200 --> 02:20:45,440
Speaker 2: Wow?

2915
02:20:45,480 --> 02:20:47,680
Speaker 1: And also the guy wearing it is an obvious loser

2916
02:20:47,760 --> 02:20:49,560
Speaker 1: or maybe it's a woman. Either way, I think it's

2917
02:20:49,560 --> 02:20:50,280
Speaker 1: a lady. Luke.

2918
02:20:51,200 --> 02:20:53,480
Speaker 2: All right, well, Luke, let's see this guy's tat.

2919
02:20:54,080 --> 02:21:00,440
Speaker 14: I've got the weird milf tattooed under my eye. Even

2920
02:21:00,480 --> 02:21:05,640
Speaker 14: when I'm crying, the mills still get with. I thought

2921
02:21:05,680 --> 02:21:06,480
Speaker 14: that was quite smart.

2922
02:21:07,879 --> 02:21:09,600
Speaker 2: I mean, he has a point, Luke, but that's a

2923
02:21:09,760 --> 02:21:10,440
Speaker 2: zero points in.

2924
02:21:10,600 --> 02:21:13,280
Speaker 1: That's the kind of guy that And now you know what,

2925
02:21:13,400 --> 02:21:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let it go.

2926
02:21:16,040 --> 02:21:18,640
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, rate this final tat one to ten.

2927
02:21:18,840 --> 02:21:25,520
Speaker 1: Please, okay, I'll say you what. It's nice to see

2928
02:21:25,560 --> 02:21:26,279
Speaker 1: Reggie Jackson.

2929
02:21:26,360 --> 02:21:26,560
Speaker 11: Huh.

2930
02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:30,040
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about, for life, Luke, for life

2931
02:21:30,120 --> 02:21:30,400
Speaker 2: on that.

2932
02:21:31,400 --> 02:21:35,519
Speaker 1: Cat's butthole over his belly that you know that motherfucker

2933
02:21:35,640 --> 02:21:38,240
Speaker 1: is gonna die via Darwin Award at some point soon.

2934
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:41,240
Speaker 2: Probably, But it's great. Look, there was a weird moment

2935
02:21:41,320 --> 02:21:45,120
Speaker 2: on a Shannon Sharp podcast the other day that did

2936
02:21:45,240 --> 02:21:48,400
Speaker 2: not involve females, luckily, Luke. But listen to this.

2937
02:21:49,400 --> 02:21:51,120
Speaker 20: I only heard from two teams. Get with the two

2938
02:21:51,160 --> 02:21:53,320
Speaker 20: team to call me at say what what's your phone number?

2939
02:21:53,320 --> 02:22:02,880
Speaker 20: Where you're gonna beat that next door? Oh Cincinnati Bengals

2940
02:22:02,920 --> 02:22:03,240
Speaker 20: with one?

2941
02:22:04,480 --> 02:22:06,960
Speaker 2: Did you see Joe Johnson's face. Dude, he was like, uh,

2942
02:22:07,640 --> 02:22:09,640
Speaker 2: maybe it was caused by a woman. Look, who knows,

2943
02:22:09,720 --> 02:22:12,440
Speaker 2: but Shannon Sharp going through some turmoil these days.

2944
02:22:13,400 --> 02:22:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Once again, it's like, I don't understand why these

2945
02:22:15,879 --> 02:22:19,320
Speaker 1: guys who have loads of money keep working, no need

2946
02:22:19,440 --> 02:22:21,959
Speaker 1: for it, just fucking stay home.

2947
02:22:22,600 --> 02:22:22,720
Speaker 9: Uh.

2948
02:22:22,879 --> 02:22:24,560
Speaker 1: Look, let's go to the soccer pitch.

2949
02:22:24,600 --> 02:22:27,640
Speaker 2: See if we can induct this referee into the combat

2950
02:22:27,720 --> 02:22:35,640
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. Watch him intercept a fan. Oh some

2951
02:22:35,920 --> 02:22:37,199
Speaker 2: sweet chin music.

2952
02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:41,520
Speaker 1: Bro with the studs up too right, damn oh, he's

2953
02:22:41,560 --> 02:22:46,480
Speaker 1: like you want some two bitch? Oh shit, this guy

2954
02:22:46,600 --> 02:22:50,360
Speaker 1: is about it, about it yo. From now on, that's Chewbacca,

2955
02:22:50,640 --> 02:22:52,720
Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna call him. Yeah, he was ready

2956
02:22:52,760 --> 02:22:53,520
Speaker 1: for action, son.

2957
02:22:54,080 --> 02:22:56,560
Speaker 2: Look, let's go to the amateur wrestling Matt. Here is

2958
02:22:56,640 --> 02:22:58,400
Speaker 2: your judo hip toss of the week.

2959
02:22:59,120 --> 02:23:00,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's greco.

2960
02:23:00,600 --> 02:23:07,120
Speaker 2: It looks like all right, oh yeah, a little other

2961
02:23:07,240 --> 02:23:10,440
Speaker 2: abuse to sprinkle on top of that one. Let's go

2962
02:23:10,560 --> 02:23:13,800
Speaker 2: over to NASCAR, Luke, this man they put fifteen seconds

2963
02:23:13,840 --> 02:23:15,840
Speaker 2: of fame on him, and he took his moment. Luke

2964
02:23:15,959 --> 02:23:18,360
Speaker 2: watched this Steve Austin tribute.

2965
02:23:19,920 --> 02:23:21,400
Speaker 1: You know, what, I'll accept it.

2966
02:23:23,320 --> 02:23:26,200
Speaker 2: One more time on that no seatough. I mean, I look,

2967
02:23:26,240 --> 02:23:27,920
Speaker 2: you get one chance, you gotta go for it.

2968
02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:31,040
Speaker 1: Look at this boom and then he just squeezes and

2969
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:32,640
Speaker 1: the beers have coozies on him too.

2970
02:23:33,040 --> 02:23:34,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's great stuff.

2971
02:23:34,520 --> 02:23:37,600
Speaker 1: That is buddy. If you've never done nasgate, NASCAR tailgating,

2972
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Speaker 1: you've never done tailgating. I don't give a fuck when

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Speaker 1: anybody tells you.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Luke, when you were young before cell phones, did

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02:23:42,360 --> 02:23:44,520
Speaker 2: you ever back up an eighteen wheeler to a river

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02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:45,800
Speaker 2: and take turns jumping in it?

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 2: These people did watch this.

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Speaker 1: This is buddy, This is just good. This is just

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02:23:51,240 --> 02:23:52,440
Speaker 1: good redneck fun right here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're also very like inclusive and welcoming, Luke.

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Speaker 1: Okay, they couldn't give him a bigger push, you know

2983
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Speaker 1: what I mean, Luke?

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Speaker 2: You remember when hawk Tua changed the world?

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Speaker 12: Right?

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02:24:08,920 --> 02:24:11,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, things are escalating.

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Speaker 1: What's a movie bet that drives men crazy? Every time?

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02:24:14,240 --> 02:24:18,560
Speaker 1: I feel like, no, you gotta give him that, Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got you gotta warm it up like it's a fire.

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Speaker 13: You got and you got up. WHOA, don't you take

2991
02:24:24,400 --> 02:24:33,800
Speaker 13: it like it's a Rattlesnake. You gotta take it, you gotta.

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02:24:36,720 --> 02:24:38,800
Speaker 1: That sounded like the last metal song I listened to.

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Speaker 2: I think that's called Chomped to Uh. All right, Luke,

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Speaker 2: watched this next video and watch the strength of this

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Speaker 2: stool on the bottom left here. All right, you see

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Speaker 2: you they're pointing at it.

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02:24:50,840 --> 02:24:52,280
Speaker 1: Oh, that thing's about to get tested.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow. You know, didn't it look like Turkey

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02:24:59,800 --> 02:25:01,640
Speaker 2: want to do that to Canelo in school when he

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02:25:01,680 --> 02:25:02,840
Speaker 2: got up on the ring apron twice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But if you're so fat that public infrastructure breaks

3002
02:25:06,400 --> 02:25:08,760
Speaker 1: under you, it's time to go see the doctor. Okay.

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Speaker 2: That's that's not a good development in your life. By

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Speaker 2: the way, all right, we got two more for you, Luke.

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Speaker 2: You sent me this one. Anything can happen on the

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Speaker 2: New York City subway. Watch the far door in the

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Speaker 2: background there. Yeah, she's just paying Oh really, I didn't

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Speaker 2: even Okay, that's uh.

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Speaker 1: She was squatting the squat.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, what it's uh she had.

3011
02:25:33,080 --> 02:25:35,400
Speaker 1: The decency to stand between the cars BC. That's how

3012
02:25:35,440 --> 02:25:36,160
Speaker 1: you know she cared.

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02:25:36,600 --> 02:25:39,840
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I'm saying, Luke, You ever wonder

3014
02:25:39,879 --> 02:25:42,000
Speaker 2: if you ever there's our final video. If you ever

3015
02:25:42,120 --> 02:25:44,200
Speaker 2: in panic, whether you would really let out one of

3016
02:25:44,240 --> 02:25:46,920
Speaker 2: those deep passionate screams like what it would sound like

3017
02:26:00,680 --> 02:26:03,320
Speaker 2: it was a guy with a paper talls in lotion

3018
02:26:03,720 --> 02:26:08,480
Speaker 2: in his pants down, Luke, all right, that's all the

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Speaker 2: shit I got.

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Speaker 1: For this week.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for playing. All Right, there you go, there

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02:26:11,800 --> 02:26:15,280
Speaker 2: you go. Oh wow, what a show? Right, what a week?

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Speaker 1: Two and a half hours. We gave him two and

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Speaker 1: a half hours.

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Speaker 2: We just yeah, we put the fist in, then we

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Speaker 2: turned it, locked it up. Hey. Reminder, folks, morning Combat

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Speaker 2: at gmail dot com.

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02:26:25,720 --> 02:26:26,879
Speaker 1: That's how you reach the show.

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02:26:27,320 --> 02:26:29,800
Speaker 2: Only if you reach out to Mike in a clean way.

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Speaker 2: All right. Also Wednesday, Luke, tell them what's going on

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Speaker 2: at eleven am This Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: UFC three fifteen is this coming weekend. So to get

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Speaker 1: you ready for it, this Wednesday in studio live in

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Speaker 1: New York City, yours truly, that gentleman right there, the

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell experience, and Chuck Mindenhall, Anakin Skywalker himself. We're

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Speaker 1: all gonna be there having some cuervo, having some fight talk,

3037
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Speaker 1: getting you ready for the big pay per view. It

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Speaker 1: should be a grand old time.

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Speaker 2: It will be fantastic Long Island. Luke, thank you for

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Speaker 2: your service today. You will not get paid overtime, although.

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Speaker 4: All right, it's all right. It was worth it.

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Speaker 2: It was a good time. Anything you want to tell

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Speaker 2: the people, Probably not.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'll have my bet breakdown out today. You

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Speaker 4: guys know the drill. Tune in Saturday, watch along the

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Speaker 4: whole thing. Yeah, yeah, you'll.

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Speaker 2: Probably rip a bong or two. Luke Thomas, would you

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Speaker 2: like to tell the people one more thing? Anything?

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Speaker 1: I love you. Thanks for tuning in today. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Join us on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Hey, that's well said from Luke Thomas. This is your

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02:27:27,640 --> 02:27:31,959
Speaker 2: boy BC follow us below, but also, folks, follow your dreams.

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Speaker 2: You get knocked down, you get back up. That's how

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Speaker 2: it works. We're out of here.