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Speaker 2: I debated some dramatic readings of song lyrics as I

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Speaker 2: am a musical man. No, not the music man. I'm

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Speaker 2: not Hugh Jackman on Broadway. No either. We could go

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Speaker 2: It's so hard to say goodbye to yesterday as we

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Speaker 2: say goodbye to the NFL season. Have I told you

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Speaker 2: do you think? Mike Garbin, Greag Cosell with you here

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five twenty six campaign Super Bowl sixty the good,

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Speaker 2: in the Olympics. But Greg Cosell, it's good to be

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Speaker 2: with you this fine morning. You had your sojourn out

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Speaker 2: here to the West Coast for Super sixty amongst all

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Speaker 2: the beautiful people and the chaos. How many bread bulls?

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Speaker 2: And did you have you know what?

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Speaker 3: I don't I didn't do all that stuff. But you

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Speaker 3: know this is a little tough, Mike, because you know,

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Speaker 3: you know how it is. The first cut is the deepest, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's it, nicely done. I want to sing a

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Speaker 3: For the good. No, No, because I want, I actually

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Speaker 3: want people to keep listening.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know it's karaoke.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. When I would sing in the car with my

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Speaker 3: daughters when they were younger, i'd get dad, you know,

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Speaker 3: So I only do that when I'm by myself. You know.

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Speaker 2: It's my vocal warm ups down the hallway.

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Speaker 3: And that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Either you like it or you don't. Every once in

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Speaker 2: someone step out of the op goes, wow, what was that?

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Speaker 2: And and in the good in the most positive ways,

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Speaker 2: and then certainly, uh, sometimes we take that bridge a

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Speaker 2: little too far and Queen starts playing and you decide

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Speaker 2: to sing along with that, and there you go, Hey, Freddy,

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Speaker 2: you're in.

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Speaker 3: Your he does he does a little better than I did. Well,

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Speaker 3: you did it a little better. He's been gone for god,

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Speaker 3: it's been over thirty.

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Speaker 2: Years, thirty five this year.

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Speaker 3: I know it's crazy, but you know you mentioned the

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl. I was out there. You know, the best

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Speaker 3: part for me is being on media row. I had

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Speaker 3: some great conversations. You know. That's the way I keep

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Speaker 3: learning because I always feel that's what's most important to

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Speaker 3: keep learning and learning. And you know, I had a

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Speaker 3: to the game. I particularly like Mike when it's outside

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Speaker 3: because I got to tell you, the flyover still gets

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Speaker 2: No, that's it, right. We talked about that a little

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Speaker 3: I sure did you want?

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Speaker 2: You want to do fifteen minutes on Bad Bunny, but

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny again, you know, the halftime show

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Speaker 3: the TV audience. You know, even people you know, and

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Speaker 3: obviously I'm not that familiar with his music, but even

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you get one monitor up on the side of

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Speaker 2: from there? But an amazing game overall when we look

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Speaker 2: at what Seattle's defense, will break it down the next

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Speaker 2: had leading up to it, a lot of big storylines

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get asked about that a lot. I'm not

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Speaker 3: I don't have anything to do with it with who

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Speaker 2: Does anybody call you to lean on to delete.

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Speaker 3: Hyd I do get calls here and there. You know,

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Speaker 3: these writers and whoever else votes, I don't even know

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Speaker 3: given Hall of Fame year, So that makes it difficult.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, I remember last year. Luke Kikley was

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Speaker 3: to me, Luke Kickley is a no brainer Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 3: So he doesn't get in the first time, and you

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Speaker 3: So so I think the rules make it more controversial

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Speaker 3: you know, for me, the Hall of Fame, I usually

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just that curiosity, the one that just doesn't

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Speaker 2: seemed to me. We've got the apples and oranges and

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Speaker 2: more right three of them. Well, how are picking between

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Speaker 2: these players anything similar? Like we're picking between three very

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Speaker 2: from there. When the running clocks and everything else, it

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Speaker 2: just makes an unseemly thing. Look, that's a problem that

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Speaker 2: Roger Goodell's laughing at because he's pointing over to Adam Silver,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna expand another couple of teams and look at

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Speaker 2: the big TV deal we got, but it's not taking

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Speaker 2: away from the criticism of the game. As they're on

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Speaker 2: Goodell can be like, hey, the game's healthy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no question. And and you know, in some ways

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Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame discussion is fine. I mean it's

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Speaker 3: fans get excited. They everybody has an opinion. You know,

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Speaker 3: and that's great. You know. The thing to me, though,

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of the writers who are Hall

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Speaker 3: disagree with them, and that's Isn't that the fun of sports? Mike?

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Speaker 3: I mean I remember growing up, you know, just having great,

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Speaker 2: That's how a lot of us got into this business. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I take it back, and if we had videos of

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Speaker 2: the eight idiots that would get to school in downtown

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Speaker 2: showing up till third period. That's just the way it worked.

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Speaker 2: But yeh, so I'd get there early. And what we were

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Speaker 2: talking about the White Sox, bullpen, whatever was going on

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Speaker 2: National Hockey League. Growing up, Yeah, that was a good

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Speaker 2: watching that guy. That was every day And that's what

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Speaker 3: Question because you just, you know, you talk sports and

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Speaker 3: then you think, oh, I'd love to do this for

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Speaker 3: my career. Just love talking ball, you know. And and

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Speaker 3: I remember, you know, and you'll remember these players that

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Speaker 3: but I remember growing up there was one player on

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Speaker 3: to whether he was truly a great player, and that

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Speaker 3: was Ron Santo. Yeah, and you know that those were

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Speaker 3: talking ball. I mean, isn't that what we're doing now?

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Speaker 3: Hopefully we're having a fun time talking ball.

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Speaker 2: That's it, you know. And Mon Santa was the guy

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Speaker 2: that was my mom's favorite guy II mom out there

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Speaker 2: in Florida. Career cut short, diabetic, different medical time, but

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Speaker 2: a guy that ultimately goes into the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: after he's pasted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Williams guy, Billy Williams.

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Speaker 2: Guy, what a guy. He's one of my favorite guys.

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Speaker 2: Used to pick his brain when you go to spring

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Speaker 2: training or just hanging around the ballpark. He'd just be

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Speaker 3: I thought he was just a great hitter, just one

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Speaker 2: That's a you know, we talk about those careers and

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing with running backs. It's changed. And

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Speaker 3: Now I'm much suggesting Wilbert should be in the Hall

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Speaker 3: So you know, these conversations there's always you know, it's

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Speaker 2: world that is the NFL Draft. He's got nine days

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Speaker 2: to really get himself acclimated. So if you have a

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Speaker 2: line on sending Greg a bunch of celebration cupcakes to

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Speaker 2: get his sugar up, to keep him awake, maybe some

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Speaker 2: extra special coff you to go with that, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Did you have a celebration cupcake to think about the

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Speaker 2: season that was?

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Speaker 3: Yesterdir Well, I had one yesterday, you know, as your

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Speaker 3: Barnes and Noble again had one yesterday. But yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: just trying to get through, you know, some guys before

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Speaker 3: the combine. Obviously, you know I'm one person, so you

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Speaker 3: know I printed out the combine list, and it's so overwhelming, Mike,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's crazy. I can't watch three

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty guys because I don't do it quickly.

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Speaker 3: You know. That's the thing. I don't just watch, you know,

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Speaker 3: twenty plays and decide what a player is. I really

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Speaker 3: kind of take my time and do it, just like

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Speaker 3: I do during the season, when each week I have

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Speaker 3: thirty five pages of typewritten notes on all the games

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Speaker 3: I watch, so that's weekly. So you know, when I

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Speaker 3: watch college players, you know, it's defensive players in particular.

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Speaker 3: Do you have to watch a lot of games and

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Speaker 3: you have to watch every play, you know, and then

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Speaker 3: that's the way you really learn about what a player is,

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Speaker 3: you know, not from highlights. You know. Merrill Hodge used

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Speaker 3: to say, you know, TV lies and highlights really lie.

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Speaker 3: And he's so right about that.

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Speaker 2: That is a good mantra, there's no question about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully though, as people remember us for whatever we do,

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Speaker 2: either on the radio and in our lives, they'll take

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Speaker 2: that highlight reel and maybe slough off some of the

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Speaker 2: lesser moments, you know, where our arm length started to

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Speaker 2: become a really big Oh what did I do there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: We go, we go the play of the day. Let's

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Speaker 2: of the day. We go to the world of college buckets.

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Speaker 3: Christian Anderson gets it. He'll go right throw it the

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Speaker 3: top of the high post.

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Speaker 2: Here it is left corner three by Donovann at Well. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: sir at Well with the winner seventy eight seventy five

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Speaker 2: overtime over Arizona. Absolutely crazy finished there and our guy

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Speaker 2: Field Sports on the call. I know Arnie's up and

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Speaker 2: still he probably had a sleep night after that loss,

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Speaker 2: Greg and he's always It'll be with Chris Blank later

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Speaker 2: on tonight. But we look back at Super Bowl sixty

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Speaker 2: and from the thirty thousand you know foot view as

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Speaker 2: you're flying back to the East Coast, What was the

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Speaker 2: thing that was going through your mind most of the

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Speaker 2: game that we watched.

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Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I could tell you that

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Speaker 3: from being in the stadium, you know, because the first

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Speaker 3: thing I noticed was all the pressure concepts that Mike

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Speaker 3: McDonald did through the first two series because they were

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Speaker 3: not a high percentage blitz defense. Mike during the season

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Speaker 3: we talked about that absolutely. And then you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: sitting in the stands, I'm sitting pretty high up so

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Speaker 3: I can see, you know, the all twenty two very

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Speaker 3: clearly in addition to the screen and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: I'm noticing, here comes this pressure early on, and you know,

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Speaker 3: that's not something that they did a lot of. Now,

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Speaker 3: keep one thing in mind. When they did pressure, they

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Speaker 3: were very very good at it during the season. But

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Speaker 3: in terms of blitz percentage, and by blitz percentage we

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Speaker 3: mean sending fun or more, they were twenty seventh out

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Speaker 3: of thirty two teams in the league during the regular

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Speaker 3: season in terms of blitz percentage, so they were not

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Speaker 3: a high percentage blitz defense. But Mike McDonald's set the

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Speaker 3: tone early by coming after and again, it's not just

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Speaker 3: coming after Drake May, it's coming after the entire team

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Speaker 3: the protection, I thought. And then when I got watched

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Speaker 3: the tape, because obviously I'm not sitting in the stadium,

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Speaker 3: I can't see the play over and over and over.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It's not like I have a clicker

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Speaker 3: in the stadium and I can watch the play. But

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Speaker 3: then when I got back in the office on Tuesday

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Speaker 3: with the clicker, just seeing how he did it. Because ultimately,

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Speaker 3: what you're trying to do with pressure is to attack

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Speaker 3: and break down protections because you know how a team's

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Speaker 3: going to protect based on tape study. Everybody knows how

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Speaker 3: everybody teams protect. None of this is a secret. So

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Speaker 3: you're trying to create fronts and concepts that attack and

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Speaker 3: break down the protection concepts. And he did such a

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Speaker 3: great job of that early on that I think that's

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Speaker 3: set the tone in many ways for the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as we watched that game start to unfold, and

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Speaker 2: we talked about it a lot last week, you and

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Speaker 2: I and Jared, just Campbell and Wilson and what the

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Speaker 2: Patriots would and could do to help maybe stave off

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Speaker 2: some of that now, bringing the extra pressure, as you

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Speaker 2: said twenty seventh, bringing the extra man during the year,

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Speaker 2: But I mean, Witherspoon just kept coming from the same spot.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I think I've seen this before, So how

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Speaker 2: are we not fishing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? But but but the concepts were different. See, you

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Speaker 3: know that's the thing. You may be somebody just watching

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Speaker 3: it's like, well, didn't they know Whetherspoon was gonna come? Well,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter whether you know he's gonna come or not,

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Speaker 3: because you have to protect and when you when they

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Speaker 3: line up in a given front, I'll give you an example,

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Speaker 3: and I hope people can see this. Ernest Jones was

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Speaker 3: such a key figure in what they did, and he

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Speaker 3: didn't have any sacks and he didn't, you know, have

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Speaker 3: any pressures, but he almost always in long yardage and

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Speaker 3: impure pass and third down situations, he almost always lined

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Speaker 3: up on the ball. So that made it a five

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Speaker 3: man front. So now you've got five defenders on the ball.

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Speaker 3: You've got to deal with that, okay. So you can't

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Speaker 3: just say, oh, let's leave Ernest Jones alone. He's right

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Speaker 3: in front of you on the ball, because we think Witherspoon's

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Speaker 3: gonna come. You know, you have to protect the front

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Speaker 3: that is in front of you. So they just did

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Speaker 3: such a good job of dictating how the Patriots had

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Speaker 3: to protect. And therefore there were times where Witherspoon and

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Speaker 3: m and Wari and by the way, EM and Wary,

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Speaker 3: even though they were not a high percentage blitz defense,

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Speaker 3: em and Worry had the most blitzes of any defensive

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Speaker 3: back in the NFL during the regular season, and Witherspoon

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Speaker 3: he didn't have anywhere near the most, but he was

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Speaker 3: super effective when he did blitz.

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Speaker 2: Highly effective at the Ernest Jones certainly something you noticed

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Speaker 2: on film. The one on one. Yeah, you know, five

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Speaker 2: on five, let's go, and then you figure out for

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Speaker 2: the backs Stevenson and we saw it. We didn't see

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Speaker 2: Henderson till later on, but one of those kind of

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Speaker 2: things of trying to figure out the matchup and for

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Speaker 2: Drake May, you're just talking about the speed of the

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Speaker 2: play just starting to accelerate and you can watch it happen.

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Speaker 3: And then they also obviously they also won individual one

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Speaker 3: on one matchups. You know, that's part of football too,

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Speaker 3: it's matchup football. And they won those matchups and obviously

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Speaker 3: they won them against multiple players they you know, I

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Speaker 3: can't remember was it Riley Mills. He had a sack.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember whether he beat the guard or the center.

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Speaker 3: But I mean they just won a lot of one

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Speaker 3: on one matchups as well, and that was that was

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Speaker 3: part of the deal. And I bet they knew, you know,

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Speaker 3: watching that part of it brought me back to last

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Speaker 3: year when the Eagles played the Chiefs and they knew

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Speaker 3: they could win the individual the one on one matchups

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Speaker 3: because Tooney was playing left tackle and Caliendo was playing

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Speaker 3: left guard, and the Eagles knew they could just win

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Speaker 3: one on one matchups?

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Speaker 2: Was that more because the Hubris and look, you get

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Speaker 2: the microphone after you're the champion that we started hearing

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Speaker 2: the ay, well, we knew what they were going to

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Speaker 2: do and on all of that is just the as

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Speaker 2: simple as well, we knew we could beat them one

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Speaker 2: on one.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there's two parts of that. I think

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Speaker 3: they you know how a team protects Okay, that's everybody

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Speaker 3: knows that about every team, So that's number one. And

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Speaker 3: then there are individual matchups that you feel very good

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Speaker 3: about that you can win. I mean, look, Garrett Bradberry

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Speaker 3: is the center for the Patriots. I've watched him for

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Speaker 3: years when he was in Minnesota, and I never thought

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Speaker 3: that he was a strong anchor player in pass protection,

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Speaker 3: just based on tape study, and I think that showed

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Speaker 3: up in the game, you know a number of times.

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Speaker 3: So you know, they felt, I'm sure with the players

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Speaker 3: they had on the defensive side of the ball, that

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Speaker 3: in addition to the schematics of the pressures, that they

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Speaker 3: could win individual matchups. And that's one reason why they

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Speaker 3: lined up in what we call these loaded fronts, meaning

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Speaker 3: three defensive linemen to one side of the center. And

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Speaker 3: then they would put Jones on the ball opposite the

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Speaker 3: load and it would be a five man front. And

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Speaker 3: sometimes they put em and Worry on the ball as

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Speaker 3: well on the outside it would be a six man front.

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Speaker 3: So you've got to account for people. That's the thing.

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Speaker 3: You can't just say, oh, I don't think someone's gonna blitz.

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Speaker 3: You've got to account for people. And Mike McDonald knew that,

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Speaker 3: and he knew how they would account for people.

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Speaker 2: That's it. It's all the big chess match. Let's hear

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Speaker 2: one of the big highlights of the game. This one

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Speaker 2: put it over. It was well. The scoring of it

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Speaker 2: was a little controversial because a lot of people in

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Speaker 2: the prop betting market weren't happy.

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Speaker 6: First to ten at the seattle of forty four. Here

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Speaker 6: comes with blitz, May Pennity ties to.

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Speaker 2: Throw, Bull comes out going the other way with it

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Speaker 2: turning up field.

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Speaker 3: It's chatting able.

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Speaker 2: Two Fay scores touchdown. Let's Sayhawks folks thought they got

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Speaker 2: their sack and the fumble instead interception returned to Ohsu

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Speaker 2: on the play. But the pressure relentless. We talk about,

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Speaker 2: you know, with Drake May. Just as things start speeding

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Speaker 2: up and we talked about it a lot over the

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Speaker 2: course of the year with quarterbacks, Greg where the pressure's

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Speaker 2: there and then maybe you create a little of it

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Speaker 2: because he had some throws in the first half and

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Speaker 2: this is me and my untrained eye. I need to

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Speaker 2: come sit at the feet and armed with dozens of gupcakes.

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Speaker 2: But there were there were a couple of throws like

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Speaker 2: it just just seemed like he sped himself up like

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Speaker 2: you've got your eye. It's a throw you've made a

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Speaker 2: million times. Yeah, he just needed a million first.

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Speaker 3: They got him to play fast pretty early. But it's

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Speaker 3: funny you showed that we just heard that Nuosu forty

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Speaker 3: five year interception return and that was a classic case

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Speaker 3: of where the Patriots are what we call a mic

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Speaker 3: protection offense. People probably over the years, you know, through

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Speaker 3: NFL films even on TV, could always hear Tom Brady

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Speaker 3: yelling out fifty two is the mic fifteen. They were

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Speaker 3: a mic protection team. So they what happened on that

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Speaker 3: play is they actually pointed out the mic to the

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Speaker 3: other side, so the line slid to the other side,

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Speaker 3: and therefore when Jones and Witherspoon came, it became two

649
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Speaker 3: on one on the back Stevenson, and the Seahawks got

650
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Speaker 3: exactly what they wanted because Stevenson can't block both, so

651
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 3: he picked up Jones and then because he showed first,

652
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: and then Witherspoon came in and he was free. But

653
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: it was all a function of who they identified as

654
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: the mic, because the offensive line then worked that way.

655
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Speaker 2: I'd say, just a masterclass for McDonald, so young, so experiencing.

656
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: Now you're starting to hear, whether it's Max Crosby or

657
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: some of these other guys waxing poetically of things they've heard.

658
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: And that's part of what we'll talk about now or

659
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: two as we start looking ahead. Coming out of the

660
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five season, there was defensive the big pass

661
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: rushers I always talk about, I need either the tap

662
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: or the pat system. You decide it's protector, a thrower, protector,

663
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: attacker and thrower in whatever order you wanted to take him,

664
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Speaker 2: and then I can build my team from there. But

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00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: that'll be a big part of what we're talking about

666
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Speaker 2: as we get ready for Draft twenty twenty six. But

667
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: certainly here Seattle setting the tone early and often with

668
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Speaker 2: pressures on Drake May. As we continue here, it's Fox

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Speaker 2: Football Sunday, he's Greg co Sell at Greg Sell find

670
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Speaker 2: me over at Swollendumb. We'll continue and we'll talk about

671
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Speaker 2: the other quarterback that you know, the guy that won that.

672
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: Our industry and fans all around are still trying to

673
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: figure out how to best put that first line under

674
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: his name as to what he is as a quarterback. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

675
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: it Sam Sam Sam from Ghosts to Glory might be

676
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Speaker 2: the movie. We'll talk about it next here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the theme. Football's going away for a little while,

682
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: kinda sorta. We'll be talking about all of the free

683
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: agency moves. We'll talk about franchise tags, we'll start getting

684
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Speaker 2: ready for Draft twenty twenty six. Combine nine days, nine

685
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: days until Greg Coatsell heads to Indianapolis, where he will

686
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: tell me on a daily basis how much shrimp he

687
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: consumes conversations from st Elmo.

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Speaker 3: There you go, there you go.

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Speaker 2: A tradition unlike any other.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that that's that's a little tough for me. That is,

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Speaker 3: have you had it, Mike, I have I have that

692
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Speaker 3: it's spicy. Yeah, it's a little spicy. Doesn't begin to

693
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Speaker 3: describe it. That. That's that's the very mild way, you

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Speaker 3: know what.

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Speaker 2: You know what I did for the crew last year

696
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: as I ordered several bottles and we had a we

697
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: had our own shrimp cocktail to go with our show

698
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: in the evening Jason Smith and I are ah and

699
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: then we had to make sure we had giant buckets

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Speaker 2: of milk and water.

701
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what kind.

702
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: Of quench step before we had to get back on air.

703
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: Obviously the first time I was there, I'm going back

704
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: years and years and years. You have to try it,

705
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: just because that's what it's known for. And also Harry

706
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: and is He's, which is the other restaurant, but it's

707
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: owned by the same people, so you have to try it.

708
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: But you know, I just I'm a wimp when it

709
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: comes to that, Mike, I I just can't do that.

710
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Speaker 2: That's spices will get you. Yeah, you want to be

711
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: a fly on the wall of any place in sports

712
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: related that is where the wall, if the walls could

713
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: talk some of the stories deal.

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00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: Oh no, that went through the combine is an awesome trip,

715
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: awesome trip. But I just want to mention that I

716
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: think today's choice of music too, has been very good.

717
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: We had a little Boston, Little Don't Look Back, Little Sting,

718
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: you know, good good musical choices today.

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00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: There you go and out your way. Hey, in June,

720
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: you get about a week and a half of it,

721
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: The Last Ship Stings, semi autobiographical musical, which is forever

722
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: on my playlist.

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Speaker 3: Now do you like him with the Police more or

724
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: his solo stuff more?

725
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: Well? I love the punk of the Police, but I mean,

726
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: you know, solo now we've got what about forty years

727
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 2: of kind of getting loose.

728
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Speaker 3: So I like the Police. So it's kind of like,

729
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 3: you know, punkish reggae ish. I mean it was. It

730
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: was an interesting mix of music.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's just it. As you mentioned before, the influences

732
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: and everything that comes together, add a little bit of

733
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Speaker 2: blues in the bass.

734
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Speaker 3: Sure.

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00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: Copeland and Andy Summers both on book tours where they

736
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Speaker 2: tell a lot of tales.

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00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: Yes, well that the tales get told now it's you know,

738
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Speaker 3: it's funny. You know, I've seen interviews as I'm sure

739
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Speaker 3: you have with a lot of those bands, and now

740
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: the tales get to be told a little bit.

741
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Speaker 2: Well, it's like the eighty five Bears. What have we

742
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: got left in the tank? We need to sell another book? Yeah,

743
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: I need some of the residuals to run through. So

744
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: do I have a couple of tales that I can

745
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Speaker 2: spin that I might reasonably remember, or have someone around

746
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: me from those times that was reasonably sober enough to

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Speaker 2: remember some of the details.

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Speaker 3: We probably don't need another Super Bowl shuffle, though.

749
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Speaker 2: How dare you if it means that I'm celebrating the

750
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Speaker 2: Bears creeping towards the Super Bowl and dominance? Yes, yes, yes,

751
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: we do. Either that or you get the spin off

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Speaker 2: to your friends and family. There's all sorts of music

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Speaker 2: could take with you on your walks to background fodder

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Speaker 2: at work, so you don't have people droning on about

766
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Speaker 2: something you don't care about. So there you are as

767
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: we go through here, here's a play that you know.

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Speaker 2: He was a guy we talked about a lot last week,

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Speaker 2: So I was happy you cashed.

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Speaker 6: In Alani in the backfield. Now play fake to him,

771
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 6: Sam stops. Look, Strokes got.

772
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Speaker 5: A man wide open touchdown, Say Hawks, it is a

773
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Speaker 5: Jay Burner.

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Speaker 3: He could not wait to get out of that hotel.

775
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 2: Talked to him yesterday. He said, I gotta go hit somebody. HEYJ,

776
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 2: how about catching a touchdown too? Ay J. Barnerfour catches,

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00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 2: fifty four yards. The touchdown up until then a field

778
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: goal kicking contest. Good job by the Patriots defense, but

779
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: the ben ben ben and then it breaks. As you

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00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: heard on the play by play there, Greg Wide Oh yeah,

781
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: and the get out of Boise State in the backfield there.

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00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 3: That's right. See Now that was a great That was

783
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 3: early fourth quarter, as I'm sure you remember, And that

784
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,479
Speaker 3: was a great play call given what they had done

785
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: all game. A couple of points on that number. One,

786
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: in this game, they used motion at a higher or

787
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: i should say pre snap movement pre snap movement at

788
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 3: a higher percentage than their season average by a significant amount.

789
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: The other thing is they ran outside zone really effectively

790
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 3: in this game. That's been a foundation run of theirs

791
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 3: all season. So on that play you saw both of

792
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: those things. You saw Bonner go in motion across the formation,

793
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: then it looked like outside zone. So what happened is

794
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 3: Bonner kind of snuck through the line of scrimmage. Gibbons

795
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: was responsible for him. But Gibbons attacked the line of

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Speaker 3: scrimmage because what did he see. He saw an outside

797
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 3: zone look, and that's what they been getting all games,

798
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: particularly at of multiple tight end personnel. Walker had twenty

799
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: seven carries in the game. Twenty one came out of

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00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: either twelve personnel meaning two tight ends and thirteen personnel

801
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: meaning three tight ends. So just at that moment in

802
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 3: the game, it was just a beautifully called play. Now, again,

803
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 3: you never know exactly the reaction you're going to get,

804
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 3: but you feel, based on the game and the flow

805
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 3: of the game that you are going to get a

806
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 3: reaction and Gibbons just attack the line of scribbage and

807
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: Bonner just snuck through and was wide open.

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00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: As you talked about it with what Walker was now

809
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: not on the field on that particular play, but you'd

810
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: started to see chunk yardage. You start to see that

811
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: offensive line start to wear down the Patriots and really

812
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: kind of haveing their way. Sam Darnold, there's the touchdown

813
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: pass nineteen to thirty eight two two the touchdown in

814
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: our industry and watching Sam's a guy who's very polarizing,

815
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: as you might, yes might know there at Greg What

816
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: do you come out of twenty six campaign with Sam Donald?

817
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: Two more years left on that deal there in Seattle.

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00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Donald the last two years has played well.

819
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: I think that he's the kind of quarterback that is

820
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: aggressive at times and therefore he'll throw a pick here

821
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Speaker 3: and there. But I think for the most part, you're

822
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Speaker 3: dealing with a guy that has a very high talent level.

823
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: I think the last two years he's been in an

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Speaker 3: offense with Kevin O'Connell and Clint Kubiak, and it'll be

825
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: interesting to see who becomes the OC. They haven't named

826
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: one yet, have they. I don't think No, they haven't.

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Speaker 3: It'll be interest because I think you want to stay

828
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Speaker 3: This is my opinion. You want to stay with that,

829
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: that schematic because it was Kevin O'Connell who came from

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Speaker 3: the Shanahan McVay school. It was Kubiak who came from

831
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Speaker 3: the Shanahan school. I think you'd really like to stay

832
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 3: with that. Because under center play action has become a foundation.

833
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 3: He's been very, very good at it the last two years.

834
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: It really defines things for him cleanly. But I think

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00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: he's played really well. You know a lot of people said, well,

836
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Speaker 3: he didn't have much to do with that game. Well,

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Speaker 3: you know what, he dropped back forty times. That's a

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00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: lot of dropbacks. Hard to say a quarterback doesn't have

839
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Speaker 3: much to do with winning and losing when he drops

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Speaker 3: back forty times.

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00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: No, did he miss a couple of throws.

842
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 3: Absolutely, he did miss a couple without questions and.

843
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: Through three quarters. If you said, hey, Mike, rank your

844
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 2: top three people for the MVP, it's Myers and Christian

845
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: Gonzales were the first guys.

846
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. And the other thing too, is the Patriots really

847
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: went high percentage blitz twenty three of his forty dropbacks.

848
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 3: They rushed five or more. So they were exceedingly aggressive.

849
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: Now we look at the latest updates. This came from

850
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: a very early Valentine's Day message Adam Schefter. Brian Flurry,

851
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers tight end coach, was interviewing for

852
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 2: the Seahawks OC job. They all makes talk to Connor

853
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: Senger from Arizona.

854
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, now the Flurry, that makes sense because that's the

855
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 3: Shanahan school.

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00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: That's it. Just move and shuffle within division. It's curious

857
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 2: because we've also had the Seahawks be like, yeah, you're

858
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: not leaving, You're not interviewing for other jobs, right right,

859
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: you got a contractor I like that from Mike McDonald's like, hey,

860
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: you want out, make it, make it count, and we

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00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: go forward. He's great, Go sell on, Mike Garmin. It's

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00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 2: Fox Football Sunday. We're wrapping up the twenty five to

863
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Speaker 2: twenty sixties and will continue with more from the Seattle offense.

864
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: And well, you mentioned that guy's name, Kubiak. He moves

865
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: into a new world. Can he make it work in

866
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: the desert? Greaty's welcome in second hour as we wrap

867
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: up the twenty five twenty six campaign for the National

868
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: Football League Super Bowl sixty in the rear view. It's

869
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: only a week ago. I know there's been a lot

870
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: going on. We have the Olympic Games and watching some curling.

871
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of cheating scandals as we alluded

872
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: to last hour, and you got secret video taping by

873
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: the Swedes as they called out Team Canada. I mean

874
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 2: it's great. I kept waiting for guys to start swinging

875
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: their brooms like they were lightsabers at each other. Welcome in.

876
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 2: It's Fox Football Sunday one more time. Mike Carmon alongside

877
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: Greg Cosal forty six years NFL Films got his matchup

878
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 2: show podcast film review of course each week with Colin

879
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 2: Coward going through some of the big plays of games,

880
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 2: and he got to do that earlier this week, wrapping

881
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: up Super Bowl sixty. Fresh off is West Coast sojourn.

882
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: Sojourn. Yeah, are you going to be working on your

883
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: curling later?

884
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 2: By the way, you know what we actually I lived

885
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: in Upstate New York for a couple of years right

886
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: My ex was at the research facility at ge I

887
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: was writing mostly full time and doing some radio spots

888
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: here and there, so we could live anywhere. We had

889
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 2: a curling club that was about a mile from where

890
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: we were, so we actually went a couple of times.

891
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: It was great. One of those things. The flexibility is

892
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: certainly something that comes into play if you're throwing the stone.

893
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: But I could see how you could get addicted to this.

894
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: The pickleball thing not so much this. Yeah, I could

895
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: get in.

896
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 3: You know, growing up in Queens, I didn't do a

897
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: lot of curling.

898
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought there was going to be a twelve

899
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: ounce or sixty to go with that.

900
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 3: Okay, No, I didn't do a lot of curl and

901
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 3: growing up in Queens.

902
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I mean we've went a couple of times,

903
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: and I know some people that eventually joined that club

904
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: that were there and lifers. We moved back to the

905
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: West Coast after a couple of years, so right as

906
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: things started to pick up there, and and for the

907
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 2: Olympics where it started to get a little bit of heat.

908
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: But now there's clubs all over the place. I know. Uh,

909
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: it's one of those growing sports that people participate in

910
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: because you don't have to be too great on the

911
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: skates to kind of go up and down, right, if

912
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: you really want to be efficient, then yes, there needs

913
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: to be some fluidity and grace to it all. But

914
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a it's a game that I

915
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 2: think people have gravitated to and it Unfortunately the judges

916
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: had to get involved here with the extra touch from

917
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: the Canadians and everything else. But otherwise some of these hey,

918
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: let's let it go to the judges. That's why I

919
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: love football so much, Greg Gozel. As much as we

920
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: bemoaned the existence and the efforts of officials on occasion,

921
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 2: in the end it's settled between the white lines.

922
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 3: And you know what, I think that was a good

923
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 3: thing about the Super Bowl in that there were not

924
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: a lot of penalties called it. You know, the officials

925
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: didn't seem to be really a part of the game.

926
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty clean overall, right, and you know,

927
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: you might have had one or two here it's like, well,

928
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: getting a little bit physical here at the receivers. But

929
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: as long as you're consistent with it, right, that's the

930
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 2: old adage to it all. As long as you're adjudicating

931
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 2: it the same both sides, and if guys are getting

932
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: a little little bit after it and then then so

933
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: be it. But you know, just be consistent in that.

934
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 2: And we certainly saw that pretty clean Super Bowl sixty,

935
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: A nice capper to what was otherwise. I mean, we've

936
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: got so many question marks. One of the stories, and

937
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 2: I heard one of the promos from one of our shows,

938
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: Two Pros and a Couple Cup of Joe, where he

939
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 2: actually had the TV analyst kind of calling going back

940
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: to that Seahawks Rams game. If that's legit, that's kind

941
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: of a problem. I think he's there that from the

942
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: TV booth. He called over to the officiating booth to say, hey,

943
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: you should look at that Charbonne recovery for the right

944
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: becoming such a big deal.

945
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, right where he got it.

946
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: I always equated it, and I watched it live and

947
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: I said it on air. And fortunately my guy, Jason

948
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: Smith's as big a pop culture nerd as I am.

949
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: I looked at him and go, that kind of looked

950
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 2: like when crew picked up the ball at the longest

951
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: yard and you don't know, like wow, there's a lot

952
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: of tension here, and in this case, like yeah, he's

953
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: just going to take the ball back to the official,

954
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: but it ends up becoming a two point play right

955
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: right tips the tips the end of the playoff.

956
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: The only the issue I've always had, and I'm sure

957
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: I mentioned this to you throughout the course of the season,

958
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: is when you see a big play in a game

959
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: and you're kind of waiting for a penalty, I hate

960
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 3: I hate having that feeling. I don't want to be

961
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 3: watching big plays and I don't have horse in the

962
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 3: race ninety nine point nine percent of the time. You know,

963
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 3: I'm just loving ball, But you know, I just when

964
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: you see a big play on either side and you're

965
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: just kind of waiting for a flag, that's the feeling.

966
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: I don't like that one one thousand and two, one thousand.

967
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: Where's it coming from? And because they don't pay it

968
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: out necessarily far enough, because you're getting the ISO on

969
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: the player that made the hit, made the catch, made

970
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: the dispute like cause, look, well we'll argue told the

971
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: day we died, Greg Cosel as to what is or

972
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: what is in a catch in these National Football League

973
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: games anymore? What's the control all the way through the ground.

974
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: Sometimes it seems to be applied, sometimes maybe a little

975
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: more liberally applied.

976
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: So remember it goes back to that Calvin Johnson play,

977
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 3: remember that a number of years ago. Yeah, that's where

978
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 3: it kind of I don't want to say it started there,

979
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: but that was one of the most controversial ones at

980
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:43,479
Speaker 3: the time.

981
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: There you go, as Chris Purfett comes in, longtime Detroit Lions,

982
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: a writer and observers the years, the names Calvin Johnson,

983
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: and we think back to some of the greatness there.

984
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: See there it is activated Mark Ramsey. In before him

985
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: are technical producers, Brandon our executive producer, and now Isaac

986
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: Lohenkron at the news desk. He'll get us caught up

987
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: on all the rumor, conjecture, speculation and chaos.

988
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: Calvin was pretty good. He was pretty had a pretty

989
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: good run. I think, yeah, yeah, he was pretty good.

990
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 2: Nat to see him back out and involved with whatever.

991
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: Look I look at the larger fan interaction, not that

992
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: he was, you know, a guy that wasn't a fan

993
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: friendly guy, but I look at it from the media

994
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: slash my collecting world. I don't think we never we

995
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 2: ever got to and maybe it was a function of

996
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: playing in Detroit to a degree, but I don't think

997
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: Calvin Johnson necessarily got the flowers he should have when

998
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 2: he was playing and we were having the discussion. Also,

999
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: you know Matthew Stafford his time with the Lions. I

1000
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: don't think outside of a smaller group really appreciated what

1001
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: he did there in Detroit. It took the winning in

1002
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: Los Angeles to get him over.

1003
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: And there's a great example, Mike, of everybody wants to

1004
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: make a lists. And I understand. Look, I'm in the business, okay,

1005
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 3: and I'm here at films and we do a lot

1006
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 3: of shows. You know that ten, best, one hundred, best,

1007
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: to this.

1008
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: To that.

1009
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 3: I understand people's desire for lists. They like it, just

1010
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 3: like with the draft, it's like, give me your top five, this,

1011
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 3: give me your top five that you know and and

1012
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people off the year Stafford

1013
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 3: had being named MVP and arguably his best year as

1014
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: a pro, and then people start with, well, is he

1015
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 3: a top ten quarterback? Why can't we just say he's

1016
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 3: a great player? You know, do we have to, you know,

1017
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: start putting him in a category with all these other people.

1018
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 3: You know, he's a great quarterback in this era of football,

1019
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford. Stafford is a great quarterback.

1020
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: Great h Yesterday I made the tenth best breakfast I

1021
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: ever made for my nons.

1022
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 3: There you go, there you go? I mean, do we

1023
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 3: need to start comparing him, you know, to Dan Marino

1024
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: or this guy or that. Can't we just say he's

1025
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 3: a he's a great player and leave it at that

1026
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 3: without getting into a you know, another one of those

1027
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: argumentative discussions about where he ranks in, you know, in

1028
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: the pantheon of quarterbacks.

1029
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because we were just talking about the

1030
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame a little bit last day, right, I

1031
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: missed at the podcast to go up, and you're trying

1032
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: to pit guys against each other. That's not the point.

1033
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 2: It's a celebration of the game. But I understand the

1034
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: Hallowed Halls. It is a museum at the end of

1035
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: the day. But you know, when you start ranking and

1036
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 2: you just try to go between eras. And we talked

1037
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: about it with Ken Anderson a little bit last week

1038
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: of how much different football was at that point in

1039
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: the late seventies early eighties. Like Sam Darnold's final stat

1040
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: line for twenty twenty five looks a lot like a

1041
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: lot of the players back in those days, except for

1042
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 2: the yardage was a little bit amped up.

1043
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I remember, Look, you can go back years.

1044
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: We talked in the first hour we talked about I

1045
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 3: mentioned Wilbura Montgomery that I mentioned Ron Jaworski, he was

1046
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: the NFL Player of the Year in nineteen eighty. He

1047
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 3: threw twenty seven touchdowns and completed about fifty seven percent

1048
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 3: of his passes. And in nineteen eighty those were big numbers.

1049
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to go back in the annals of history.

1050
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 2: You know, it was tough to find Bears merch as

1051
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: a kid in Chicago, as you can imagine, everybody is

1052
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: rushing to seers and everything else to buy those. So

1053
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: we had a thing where they made us kind of

1054
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: like pick secondary teams. Now, our grade school was Green

1055
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: and Gold, so you know there's some packer which at

1056
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 2: the at the time, you know, we're young right there.

1057
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: I had my Ron Jaworski jersey, so I have to

1058
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: find it, that Jan Eagles bike, you name it. That

1059
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: was my team. My older brother had the Steelers, so

1060
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 2: they're interesting. We picked up on Pennsylvania.

1061
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's just again now you get

1062
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 3: caught up in the numbers. I mean, I would imagine

1063
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 3: there's people listening to who probably don't think Matthew Stafford

1064
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 3: is a Hall of Famer, you know, And again I

1065
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 3: just happened to pull up the passing yardage right now,

1066
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: he's sixth all time. He said he's coming back for

1067
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: the season. Why next season? Why wouldn't he? He just

1068
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 3: had a phenomenal year. He's in a great system, you know,

1069
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 3: with really good players, so you know he'll probably end up.

1070
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: Is it possible he could pass? Well, I don't know.

1071
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 3: We don't know whether Aaron Rodgers is going to play

1072
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 3: because he's fifth. So you know, the top six right

1073
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 3: now are Brady, Breeze, Manning, far of Rogers, Stafford, you know.

1074
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: So you know, again, just this gets into the whole

1075
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame discussion.

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00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: That's it. Let's have Chris Purfett tag in long suffering

1077
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 2: Lion supporter slash analyst. What do you got? Yeah? Greg?

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00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 7: I think Greg, Actually Aaron Rodgers is kind of the

1079
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 7: key to a lot of the Matt Stafford stuff because

1080
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 7: it's like these two guys had to share a division

1081
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 7: together too. So when we're talking about you know, Pro

1082
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 7: Bowl votes and you know, all all Pro votes and

1083
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 7: everything like that, it's like you're you're kind of living

1084
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 7: in this shadow. But I always remember, like the first

1085
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 7: off the twenty sixteen season where he has I don't know,

1086
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 7: remember how many fourth quarter comebacks is like taped to

1087
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 7: show that this is always who he's been and the

1088
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 7: receivers he's made. But also just everything I've always heard about,

1089
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 7: you know, guys talking about if I'm gonna watch one

1090
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 7: quarter guys in the league, quarterbacks in the league, younger quarterbacks, like,

1091
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 7: if I'm gonna watch one quarterback to pick up what

1092
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 7: he's doing, it's Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 2: Rodgers always said that was his favorite guy. Yes, he

1094
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: would actually watch what he was on the field.

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00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 3: And it's funny you say that because Rogers is viewed

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00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: automatically without giving it a second thought as a Hall

1097
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: of Famer. Correct. Sure, most people would say he's a

1098
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 3: first ballot Hall of Famer. And yet Stafford, who's played

1099
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: less years and is probably going to pass Rogers with

1100
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 3: less years in terms of passing yards. Not that I'm

1101
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 3: saying that's the measure, and that you know, again, these

1102
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: are why the discussions are fun. But people, most people's

1103
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: immediate reaction to Matthew Stafford would not be first ballot

1104
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer, whereas most people's reaction to Aaron Rodgers

1105
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 3: would be first ballot Hall of Famer. Don't you think

1106
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 3: that's fair. I mean, don't you think that's the way

1107
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 3: people would react?

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00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, right, you count all those MVP awards to

1109
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: Chris's point, playing in the same division and the Packers

1110
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: dominance therein for those years. You know, you can't help

1111
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 2: what's going on on the right.

1112
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 3: Obviously, right, Rogers has four MVPs, Stafford has won, you know,

1113
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: and again that certainly means something, you know, but we'll

1114
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: see how it goes. I mean, look, Stafford said he's

1115
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 3: coming back. He's a really good player. I mean, you

1116
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 3: know again, now you get into sort of the nuances

1117
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 3: and details and the subtleties of the position. I remember

1118
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 3: having a great conversation with Phil Simms when I got

1119
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 3: to know him, and he said, the position you want

1120
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 3: to be in as a quarterback is when mentally you've

1121
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: learned pretty much the entire game, you're at the top

1122
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 3: of your game mentally, and your physical skills have not

1123
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: degenerated at all. Stafford's in that position. Very few quarterbacks

1124
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 3: get to that point.

1125
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: In that sweet spot right now, right, Tom Brady, I

1126
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: had the answers to the test now, so that would

1127
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: go to the pejorative and chaos of all of that

1128
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: with New England. But his point well taken on the

1129
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: grand scale of Hey, you've seen every type of coverage

1130
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: and disguise, and you've matched wits right every big defensive

1131
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: coordinator and Matt Stafford's at this point. I mean that

1132
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: back injury seems so long ago. I think this was

1133
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 2: his version of the offensive lineman of yeah, I'll show

1134
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: up when I need to show up.

1135
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean remember before the season people are saying

1136
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 3: they're not really sure if he's even gonna be able

1137
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 3: to play Week one. I guess he did okay this year.

1138
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that again, we talk injury reports, we'll talk chaos,

1139
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 2: we'll talk will Well Campbell. But we're gonna talk one

1140
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 2: of the big free agents to be evidently doing some

1141
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: negotiating from the podium. We'll talk about that as we continue.

1142
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,759
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1143
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,879
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1144
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,040
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1145
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,399
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1150
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1151
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1158
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 2: so pretty this morning. Mike Arman alongside Greg Cosell and

1159
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: Greg as we get ready for this offseason. A lot

1160
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: of movement. We were talking a little bit in the

1161
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 2: first hour, and it's certainly one of those big themes.

1162
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 2: We pay a lot of attention to the quarterbacks, no

1163
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 2: question about it, and the wide receivers will get into

1164
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 2: the deep dive as we roll through. You've started your

1165
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 2: evaluation of some of those players, but we talk about

1166
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 2: the attackers. Right, Max Crosby making the rounds. Will you

1167
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: or won to stay in Nevada. You've got Hendrickson, who's

1168
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 2: gonna be a free agent. Right, took more money this

1169
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: year and then missed most of the year for Cincinnati,

1170
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: who at times it seemed didn't even have eleven guys

1171
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: on the field. But defensively, I'm being kind. That's as

1172
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 2: kind as I can say for that side of the ball.

1173
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: And then we look at the draft and the number

1174
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: of weapons, but for what Seattle did defensively and some

1175
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: of the shifts in that regard, the free agency is

1176
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: going to be absolutely amazing. And Max Crosby drawn a

1177
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: lot of interest and we're starting to see him photoshopped

1178
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: into many different uniforms with a potential shift and we're

1179
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: talking multiple number ones to get his services. And then

1180
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: you got Miles Garrett, who's at the Olympics with his girlfriend,

1181
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: but I'm sure he's not terribly thrilled with one on

1182
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: even though he just signed his new deal. But Schwartz

1183
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: and whatever's going on in terms of their Leonard I

1184
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 2: think got the coordinator job. So whatever happens there, I

1185
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 2: can't imagine it's pleasant times in Cleveland.

1186
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 3: No, you know, it's interesting. We always focus on age rushers.

1187
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: You know, you mentioned Crosby, you mentioned Hendrix, and Kryt

1188
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 3: obviously is a great, great player. You know, it really

1189
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 3: intrigues me, and you know, this sort of gets into

1190
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 3: the way the season was and you know, as I'm

1191
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 3: watching tape throughout the season, certain thoughts pop into my head.

1192
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 3: I should probably write them down, but I'm you know,

1193
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 3: but sometimes I don't, And then I try to think

1194
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 3: back when people ask me about trends.

1195
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you do the Michael Keaton like in Night

1196
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 2: Shift and you just have you just every idea just

1197
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 2: goes into the tape recorder.

1198
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 3: Oh, I put the Mao chime ago. Yeah, but you know,

1199
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: one of the things that really struck me a couple

1200
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 3: of things one and I spoke to a coach about

1201
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 3: this after the season. We saw a lot more teams

1202
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 3: line up in what we call two shell coverage with

1203
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 3: two high safeties, so you know, they play a little

1204
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 3: more of that umbrella coverage so well, well, depending on

1205
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 3: what the coverage specifically is, safeties may have a run responsibility,

1206
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 3: but they're obviously off the ball. They're either eight to

1207
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 3: ten or twelve yards off the ball, so they're not

1208
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 3: really part of the run defense in a strict sense.

1209
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: So what I noticed this year is how more important

1210
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 3: defensive tackles have become. Mike, and we saw that, you know,

1211
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 3: in the even in the two championship games. When you

1212
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 3: look at the defensive tackle, the starters, the rotation that

1213
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 3: those teams had. I mean, obviously the Rams lost, who

1214
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 3: did the now I'm losing my mind. Who did the

1215
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 3: Patriots feed? And the Oh? Denver? You know, yeah, Denver.

1216
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 3: I mean you start looking at the defensive tackles. Look

1217
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl. I mean, obviously we know about

1218
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 3: Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy, but they had Jaron Reid,

1219
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 3: a really good player. We saw the rookie Riley Mills

1220
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 3: get a sack in a one on one situation. Even

1221
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 3: though the Patriots lost, they had Milton Williams, they had

1222
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 3: bar Moore, they had this I think a free agent

1223
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 3: maybe if memory serves me correctly. Durden, you know, Tanga,

1224
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 3: you know you're seeing defensive tackles I think becoming increasingly

1225
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 3: important because of the way teams are playing on the

1226
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 3: back end, because they're not bringing that safety down into

1227
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 3: the box. And obviously nothing is one hundred percent. I'm

1228
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 3: not saying no team ever does that, but just these

1229
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 3: are just trends. I've noticed the other thing that I

1230
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 3: think is interesting. You know, what do you always hear

1231
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 3: when a team wins a Super Bowl? Blueprint? Blueprint? Blueprint,

1232
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 3: groups blueprint. I'm not a big believer in that. And

1233
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 3: you know, you hear a lot of people say, oh,

1234
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 3: the Mike McDonald defense. Now, well, you know, sometimes the

1235
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 3: defense and there's no question in this Super Bowl and

1236
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 3: throughout the season he did a phenomenal job schematically. But

1237
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 3: sometimes players really help you schematically. You know. We're seeing

1238
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: a lot of teams play now what we call big nickel,

1239
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 3: but there's certain safeties that are better than others. I mean,

1240
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 3: not every team has a six y three and a

1241
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 3: quarter two hundred and twenty pounds big nickel safety that

1242
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 3: are in a four to three eight at the combine,

1243
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 3: and that, of course I'm talking about nick I Minwari.

1244
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 3: Not every team has a player like Witherspoon who can

1245
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 3: play outside in your base defense, then move inside in

1246
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 3: your sub defenses and really be a factor. You know,

1247
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: sometimes the players also make the scheme. So and again,

1248
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 3: like I said, I'm not saying any of what I

1249
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 3: said is an absolute. It's just things I think about

1250
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 3: when I watch Cape.

1251
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: No, it's it em and Warri a name, and that

1252
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 2: was one of those. I wish there was a prop

1253
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 2: that at the Super Bowl, how many times his name

1254
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 2: would be called over the course of a game, because

1255
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 2: we saw it a lot. And I'll tell you, I'm

1256
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: going through a lot of sorting of my Empire Trading cards.

1257
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: I bought at some point an inordinate number of Vince

1258
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: Wilfork and Hilodi Nada cards from my wall of mean,

1259
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: I've got a wide array. And it really just made

1260
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: me smile. As you started talking about defensive taxes because

1261
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 2: we see from the running back position this year we

1262
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 2: had seventeen thousand yard rushers. You start talking about the

1263
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: two way play and the amount of times guys are

1264
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: catching the ball out of the backfield. But I like

1265
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 2: that for the fact that and I know it only

1266
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: equates to the sixty yards a game, understand that, But

1267
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 2: that means that we're still committing back to the run,

1268
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: which means those defensive tackles and having a rotation and

1269
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 2: an extra body or two to rotate end becomes that

1270
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 2: much more important.

1271
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the other thing we saw, I you know, again,

1272
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 3: I don't have numbers and percentages right in front of me,

1273
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 3: but it just seemed to me, and this is anecdotal,

1274
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 3: but I think it's true. I think we saw more

1275
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 3: and more teams play with multiple tight ends, two tight ends,

1276
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 3: three tight ends. Obviously, the Rams were the extreme example,

1277
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 3: playing beginning week six or seven with a higher percentage

1278
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 3: of three tight ends. At times they played over fifty

1279
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 3: percent in given games with three tight ends. So, you know,

1280
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 3: will that trend continue. If that trend continues, you're probably

1281
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 3: going to continue to see a little more running. Now.

1282
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 3: The Rams obviously threw out of it as well, and

1283
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 3: Stafford was phenomenal throwing out a thirteen personnel, but you know,

1284
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 3: now you're getting into bigger bodies and now, so your

1285
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 3: defensive tackles have to be able to defend the run.

1286
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 3: You know, you think of Byron Murphy with that, you know,

1287
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 3: sort of getting his knee on the ground and being

1288
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,919
Speaker 3: able to stalemate in defeat double teams. I've seen other

1289
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 3: college defensive tackles. I've not gotten into them yet in detail,

1290
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 3: but I've seen other college defensive tackles use that same technique.

1291
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: So I'm really curious to see going forward if people

1292
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 3: place more on the defensive tackle position, because if you're

1293
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 3: going to play with two deep safeties, you got to

1294
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 3: be able to stop the run. Essentially with seven one of.

1295
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 2: Those guys will be talking about this offseason and how

1296
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 2: defensives try to stop him as a guy who came

1297
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: on and found himself an MVP season wander bound to

1298
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 2: the outside.

1299
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: There he goes, put on a sideline.

1300
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker into Patriots territory, must be out of bounced farther.

1301
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 2: Two massive runs in the Super Bowl one hundred and

1302
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 2: thirty five yards. We talked about the twenty seven carries.

1303
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: He also had eighteen receptions in his final six games.

1304
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 2: Now obviously no Charbonne, so workload changed a little bit.

1305
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 2: You saw the kid from Boise State, see some snaps.

1306
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 2: But for Kenneth Walker, the third I mean John Schneider

1307
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: even went up there with his solo cup. Whatever was

1308
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: in that. Talking about how Walker was negotiating his new

1309
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: contract on the podium as they were celebrating in front

1310
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 2: of the.

1311
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 3: Will be interesting. So you know Walker at twenty seven carries,

1312
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 3: you know the last time in a Super Bowl that

1313
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 3: a running back at twenty seven or more carries. My

1314
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 3: guess is you're not going to get unless you looked

1315
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 3: it up. I had to look it up. Believe me,

1316
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not going to sit here and say

1317
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 3: I knew that off the top of my head.

1318
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 2: But Jamal Lewis in two thousand.

1319
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 3: Nope, two thousand and three, Michael Pittman with this with

1320
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 3: the Bucks.

1321
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, I would never guess that.

1322
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 3: I neither would have I how about that?

1323
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 2: And that's that's a lot of NFL film, film watching

1324
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 2: and game watching and for.

1325
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 3: Like, I had to look that up. I'm not going

1326
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 3: to take credit for the fact that that popped into

1327
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 3: my head. I didn't know that, but but you know,

1328
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 3: and that raises the point about Walker. You know, what

1329
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 3: are the Seahawks do? I mean, we know they want

1330
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 3: to run the ball. We know that that offense. Obviously

1331
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 3: Kobiak is gone, but it appears maybe they'll stay that

1332
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 3: same schematic in terms of who they hire. And the

1333
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 3: run game is really the foundation of that. It all

1334
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 3: starts with the run game and what works off of that,

1335
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 3: you know, in the Mike Shanahan system, which which is

1336
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 3: really goes back to Mike Shanahan and now we can

1337
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 3: say Kyle Shanahan. You know, what they really don't want

1338
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 3: to do in that system is they really don't want

1339
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 3: to get into a pure drop back passing game. That's

1340
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 3: not the way they want to play. Now. Obviously when

1341
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 3: it's third and long, you have to. But they don't

1342
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 3: really want to play that way as as sort of

1343
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 3: the part of the way they approach it. They do

1344
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 3: not want to get into a drop back passing game.

1345
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting to see who they hire and

1346
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 3: what they do with Kenneth Kenneth Walker. And you know,

1347
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 3: I don't know what the market will be for Kenneth Walker,

1348
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 3: but you know, I'm sure it'll be pretty good.

1349
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 2: Oh, because you got him. Rashid Shaheed's a free agent

1350
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: guy that you acquired and was huge. You talked about

1351
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 2: the pre snap motion, just being aware of where he

1352
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 2: is on the field and that deep ball threat. And

1353
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 2: you come back to Cooper Cup and if you believe

1354
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 2: any of the reports that came out of it, the

1355
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 2: end of that, the Rams were basically saying, not only

1356
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 2: are you not staying here at you're done and advising

1357
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 2: people to that. He ends up leaving the Seahawks with

1358
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 2: six catches sixty one yards as JSN was in and

1359
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: out of the game concussion protocol and other injuries. But

1360
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup another one of those guys that you know,

1361
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 2: we talked with about Matthew Stafford earlier. You want to

1362
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 2: talk about really cementing a legacy and maybe people looking

1363
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 2: at your career a little differently because he moves on Pukinakua,

1364
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 2: keeps doing his thing and becomes that next guy up

1365
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: with Matthew Stafford. But when Sam Darnold needed a big throw,

1366
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 2: there was Cooper Cup.

1367
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again we don't know what his physical status is.

1368
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 3: But you know, but just getting back to the point

1369
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 3: about Walker, because he's such a critical player because in

1370
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 3: that offense, you know, like I said, it conceptually starts

1371
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 3: with the run game, and they really want the pass

1372
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 3: game to marry to the run game. That's why there's

1373
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 3: so much under center play action. That's the whole foundational premise.

1374
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 3: And Charponay was a really important player for them. But

1375
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 3: he's not a feature back. He's a compliment. And by

1376
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 3: the way, he may not even be ready week one, right,

1377
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm be very curious to see Mike

1378
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 3: what they do with Kenneth Walker.

1379
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be a curious offseason because again going back

1380
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 2: to just some of the numbers, and this is just

1381
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 2: the rudimentary stuff. Starting to do the deep dive of

1382
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 2: week to week and week eighteen is always kind of

1383
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 2: a weird thing in terms of how much you count

1384
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 2: or don't. I know, Fantasy league stop, yeah and whatever,

1385
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 2: and some guys don't play full games and whatever. But

1386
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 2: we had ten players with ten or more rushing touchdowns

1387
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 2: on the year. We had ten players with two hundred

1388
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 2: and fifty or more carries on the year, so the

1389
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 2: running back there by way of contrast, for quarterbacks, we

1390
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 2: only had four guys eclipsed the thirty touchdown mark this year.

1391
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know of them?

1392
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 2: In the Super Bowl?

1393
01:06:56,040 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 3: Even last year in twenty twenty four, if mem serves

1394
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 3: me correctly, I think there were six backs with over

1395
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 3: three hundred carries. So, I mean, the run game seemingly

1396
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 3: the last couple of years has sort of worked its

1397
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 3: way back into the NFL. And you wonder sometimes if

1398
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 3: that's because you're seeing more big nickel, you're seeing lighter linebackers,

1399
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 3: because that's what the college game is giving you, you know.

1400
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 3: So everything is cyclical and we'll see where the league goes.

1401
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not suggesting the passing game won't be important.

1402
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 3: Obviously it will always be important, but you know, you

1403
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 3: don't have to throw forty five to fifty balls a game.

1404
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 3: Just to say the passing game is important.

1405
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have the six guys Barkley, Henry, Kyron Williams,

1406
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 2: b John Robinson, and Jonathan Taylor. Josh Jacobs got over

1407
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 2: the threshold at three hundred and one.

1408
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 3: You're talking about last year.

1409
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 2: I want to go back to twenty twenty four.

1410
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, right right.

1411
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 2: You remembered absolutely correctly. Seventh on the list, Najee Harris

1412
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty three.

1413
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 3: Wow. So this year, I think there were only three backs.

1414
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 3: I've had over three hundred carries. My guess is it

1415
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 3: was Cook. I would assume Derrick Henry, he always ends

1416
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 3: up with over three hundred carries. I would guess Jonathan Taylor.

1417
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 3: Those would probably be the guys I would think this year,

1418
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:12,439
Speaker 3: if I just had to do it off the top

1419
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 3: of my head, we.

1420
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 2: Got a four it, we got a fourth guy, so.

1421
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, McCaffrey, I would guess McCaffrey.

1422
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Taylor, McCaffrey, Cook, and Henry got there. Visjon

1423
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 2: Robinson just behind at two eighty seven, Saquon still at

1424
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 2: two eighty. That's amazing considering for the first half of

1425
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 2: the year. You and I talked a lot about his

1426
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 2: usage uh and touch count in some games being low

1427
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,759
Speaker 2: and light, and wondering some of it. You know, we'd

1428
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 2: been bemoaning the NBA and load management all week, so

1429
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 2: some of that. Trying to figure it out because with

1430
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,600
Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker the third I don't know about you. A

1431
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 2: couple of times on the replay, I had to like

1432
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 2: tap my TV to make sure it wasn't glitching like

1433
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 2: a video game system with the patients he had waiting

1434
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 2: for the whole Oh yeah, he's just standing still. He's

1435
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 2: not even moving forward.

1436
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 3: At this point, I thought, I thought this was the

1437
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 3: best he'd run. I mean, you talk talk about the

1438
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 3: way in which he ran. There was kind of a

1439
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 3: calculated patience because don't forget your initial path. What you're

1440
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,560
Speaker 3: trying to do is you're trying to manipulate second level defenders.

1441
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 3: And then he did such a good job of that,

1442
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 3: and they also ran outside zone really effectively. I was

1443
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 3: surprised that he was able to get to the edge.

1444
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 3: I thought that with Mike Rabel as the head coach,

1445
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 3: they do a better job setting the edge. But at

1446
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 3: the end of the day, they don't have big people

1447
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,919
Speaker 3: on the outside. They have Chase and they have Landry.

1448
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 3: These are not big people, you know. So it's different

1449
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 3: than you know, the Patriots of years ago with Belichick,

1450
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 3: when they had really big people on the edge. You know,

1451
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 3: you had a guy like William McGinnis who was like

1452
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 3: two sixty to sixty five as an outside backer, you know. So,

1453
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 3: but they got to the edge pretty well starting with

1454
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 3: the first play of the game.

1455
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we watched over the course of the in the

1456
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 2: game twenty seven carries one thirty five, those two chunk

1457
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: yard runs for Walker in the pivotal possession. Give all

1458
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 2: credit to that New England defense. They didn't get much help.

1459
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: We go back into the playoffs, you know, and and

1460
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 2: some of the advantages that were gained by dominating. Go

1461
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 2: back to c. J. Stroud and talk about some of

1462
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 2: the fourtuitous turns that the playoffs offered him. Hear it,

1463
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 2: the script got flipped and the defense had to bend,

1464
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,839
Speaker 2: don't break. And Myers with all the field goal attempts

1465
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 2: over the course of the game. And it should be

1466
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 2: noted that they weren't long super tow. No, there's the

1467
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 2: reference for you seventies and eighties kids, super tow where

1468
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 2: you'd line them up in those plastic figures, Greg and

1469
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 2: you had to slam him on the head to try

1470
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: to kick the field goal they had. The basketball guy

1471
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 2: was a one handed set shot, and a couple in

1472
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,839
Speaker 2: the soccer player, the hockey player, whatever, But the football

1473
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 2: kicker was always my favorite because by the end of it,

1474
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 2: my hand was swollen from trying to go Janikowski with

1475
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 2: him to see how far I could kick the ball.

1476
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 3: Jaekowski, there's a name from the pay right.

1477
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 2: How could I perfectly align that little plastic football to

1478
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 2: get an extra six inches on the kick.

1479
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 3: Well, as we know, the Patriots did not lose that

1480
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 3: game because of their defense, and defense played well. As

1481
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 3: I said, they rushed five or more on twenty three

1482
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 3: of Donald's forty dropbacks, you know, watching the game, being

1483
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 3: in the stadium and then coming back and well I

1484
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 3: looked at the stats when I got back to my

1485
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 3: hotel room and you know, put on ESPN. But I

1486
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 3: was kind of surprised he had forty dropbacks, you know,

1487
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 3: because the game they just ran a lot of plays

1488
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 3: and they were not very good on third down, yet

1489
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 3: they still controlled the ball for over thirty three minutes.

1490
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 3: Those two things normally don't go together, but I was

1491
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 3: surprised Donald had forty dropbacks. It didn't feel that way

1492
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 3: to me watching the game. Maybe others felt differently.

1493
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, as we looked at it, third down efficiency for

1494
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 2: the Seahawks just four of sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah on the court, yeah, game, but yet they controlled

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Speaker 3: the ball for over thirty three minutes.

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Speaker 2: Drake did have those in the fourth quarter though. Just

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Speaker 2: want to throw that.

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Speaker 3: Up right, I mean, yeah, he threw it. I mean

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Speaker 3: he ended up with fifty three dropbacks in the game,

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Speaker 3: but the fourth quarter dictated that, no question about it.

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Speaker 2: At Greg Goatzell where you find him in the Twitter verse,

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Speaker 2: you'll find today's full show posted right after we get

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Speaker 2: off the year. Now time turn our attention to the

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Speaker 2: news desk, the man who has all the information. It's

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Speaker 2: Isaac Lohen crown at Isaac Lowan crowd where you find

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Speaker 2: him in the twitterverse.

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Speaker 8: Hey Boddy, good morning, Mike and Greg. We've got a

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Speaker 8: strange NBA story coming up. But first of all, today

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Speaker 8: at the Olympics, a big upset the US men's curling

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01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 8: team defeating ragining Olympic gold medalist Sweden in round robin

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01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 8: play eight to five. College hoops on Saturday night sixteenth,

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Speaker 8: Rand Texas Tech upset Number one Arizona and overtime seventy

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01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 8: eight to seventy five. Arizona now is lost back to

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Speaker 8: back games after a twenty three and oh start. At

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Speaker 8: NBA All Star Weekend, Damian Lillard of the Portland Trailblazers

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Speaker 8: won the three point shootout for the third time in

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Speaker 8: four years. Miami Heat's second year forward Keyshad Johnson won

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Speaker 8: the slam Dunk contest. Now Boston Celtics All Star guard

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Speaker 8: Jalen Brown had organized a panel discussion in Beverly Hills

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Speaker 8: last night called Future of the Culture Rewriting the Playbook,

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Speaker 8: only to have the panel shut down by the City

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Speaker 8: of Beverly Hills because, according to a police officer, they

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Speaker 8: were not approved for a permit. Brown posted his interaction

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Speaker 8: with the cop on social media.

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Speaker 5: Listen, I'm trying to just get some answers because we

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01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 5: paid a lot of money for this and we're not

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Speaker 5: really getting a clear reason.

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Speaker 3: A while we got to set it down.

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01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 8: Well, you applied for permit, the permit was denied, and you.

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01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 5: Guys still had the event. The owner didn't say we

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01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 5: needed a permit. And it's not a party, he's just

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01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 5: doing a panel was qualified as an event.

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Speaker 3: You guys have two bunch ships all this stuff here.

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01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 3: Why it's beyond my pay grade wanted?

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01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 5: So who's pay gradar? So who's who's shutting this down?

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01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 5: If it's not to it's from the city. The city

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01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 5: is sutting it down for no reason. The music was

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01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 5: there in today it's eight o'clock, so if the music

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01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 5: was a problemost the next problem. But these other people

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01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 5: doing events, they all have purmise. Do they set their

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01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 5: music down? I know I played for the Celtics and

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01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 5: I know we in l A. But hey, I ain't

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01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 5: think y'all's going to do me like this.

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Speaker 8: So who would have thought that the most compelling matchup

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Speaker 8: of All Star Weekend Jalen Brown versus Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 2: Back to you guys. How about that that that started

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01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 2: developing overnight and the curiosity it permits a lot of parties. Yeah,

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01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 2: we'll see how that that plays. Jalen Brown obviously having

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01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 2: himself an MVP type season there, Boston having a good

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01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 2: run without Jason Tatum. But the curiosity and if you're

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01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 2: gonna send someone to shut down an event, you know

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01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 2: they want to clue them in as to why, how

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01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 2: and be able to answer the next three or four questions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really interesting. You know what, again, that's all

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01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 3: I know about is what I just heard. So just

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01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 3: based on what I heard, you got to give Jalen

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01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 3: Brown credite handle that really professionally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just hey, what are we doing? What did we do?

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01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 2: And like maybe just as simple as whoever owns the

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01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 2: venue that rented it to them was supposed to take

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01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 2: care of some paperwork and didn't or didn't apprise them

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01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,799
Speaker 2: of such. I think it could be as simple as that. Yeah,

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01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 2: but without any more information, I don't know. Jail Brown

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01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 2: also did during his media availability earlier in the day,

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01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 2: Greg he did bring up an interesting point of trying

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01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 2: to bring up some excitement for All Star weekend because

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01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:47,600
Speaker 2: we're trying to fix all the All Star weekends. You know,

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01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 2: Chelsea Gray outlasted a Lisa Gray to win a one

1577
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 2: on one tournament earn a bunch of money. So Jaylen

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01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 2: Brown was trying to say, let's do that. So can

1579
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 2: we do backs on backers as a drill during the

1580
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl games or something?

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01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 3: Now, wait, because I don't follow this closely, do they

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01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 3: no longer play like a true NBA All Star game?

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01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 2: No, it's today. It's two US teams in the world, so,

1584
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 2: got it.

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01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 3: So they don't actually play a game like they used to,

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01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 3: where the score would always be like one hundred and

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01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 3: eighty one hundred and seventy.

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Speaker 2: No, so this will be three games that total nine

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Speaker 2: hundred points.

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Speaker 3: Got it? Okay, Yeah, I'm not on top of my

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01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,879
Speaker 3: NBA All Star Weekend facts.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Well we'll get you caught up. Daan Lillard,

1593
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 2: who hasn't played all year, won the three point contest.

1594
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 3: I saw that, and I saw it was Keisha Johnson

1595
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:37,679
Speaker 3: won the slam dunk.

1596
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 2: There you go. And Jason Richardson's son hit his head.

1597
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 2: So there was a lot going on on All Star

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Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon. All right. As we continue, we will finish

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Speaker 2: up our review of the twenty twenty five season as

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Speaker 2: Greg gives us a couple of those thirty thousand foot

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01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 2: view predictions or maybe a look ahead of what we'll

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01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 2: see in twenty twenty six. We'll do that as we continue.

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Speaker 2: It's Fox Sports Radio, Fox Football Sunday, Mike Harmon, Greg

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Speaker 2: Go Sell with you on Fox.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 2: Radio, Finishing strong hair, Fox Football Sunday, Fox Sports Radio,

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01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: Mike Carmin, Greg CoA Sell with you as we look

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01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 2: back at the twenty five twenty six campaign, Super Bowl

1609
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 2: sixty at Greg Coat Sell for all these breakdowns. The

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01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 2: countdown crew is in the waiting room for ten minutes

1611
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 2: here until they take over. You got Bill, Jeff and

1612
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 2: Brian ready to bring you three hours of merriment into

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01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 2: maybe some Olympics coverage, maybe a little bit of college buckets,

1614
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 2: a lot of college buckets, and what they've got looking ahead, Greg,

1615
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 2: as you take the thirty thousand foot view of the

1616
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,520
Speaker 2: twenty five season, we talked a lot about thirteen personnel,

1617
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 2: So are you gonna really be looking at your blocking

1618
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 2: tight ends as you get ready for the draft.

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Speaker 3: Concepts well, you know, it's funny say that. I mean,

1620
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 3: obviously that's not the most exciting element.

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01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 2: No, no, hey man, you dig deep.

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01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 3: Though, well you have to because it's a factor. But

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01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 3: you know, it's the wide receiver position. I think that

1624
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 3: really fascinates me. We spoke about this a little bit

1625
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 3: in the first hour that a lot of receivers, now

1626
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 3: you know, obviously have catches, gain yards. I mean, that's

1627
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 3: the league is still like that. The receiver position is

1628
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 3: certainly important, you know, because this is a draft. I've

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01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 3: done twelve receivers and I'm done with them. You know,

1630
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,640
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be changing you know what I

1631
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 3: saw on tape. I don't work for a team. I'm

1632
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 3: not going to be interviewing them. I'm not going to

1633
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 3: be doing all those other things. So I watch the

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01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 3: tape and then I you know, I don't know what

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01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 3: kind of people they are all those things, so I

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01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 3: can't speak to that. But you know, I think we

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01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 3: live in a world now where a lot of receivers

1638
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 3: are going to put up numbers. Like I looked at

1639
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,799
Speaker 3: this draft and I know there's three or four receivers

1640
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 3: that are being looked at as potential top ten top

1641
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 3: twelve picks. You know, in studying them in detail, they

1642
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 3: may end up being that in this particular draft, but

1643
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,679
Speaker 3: I didn't see them just as absolutes as those kinds

1644
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 3: of players, and I like them, but like, for instance,

1645
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 3: you know, I came away from this there's no Jamar

1646
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 3: Chase in this draft. And again, he's a great player.

1647
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 3: But if you're drafting a receiver fifth or sixth or seven,

1648
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 3: aren't you expecting him to be a big time great player.

1649
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the reason you would draft him there.

1650
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean depending on where they go the

1651
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 3: team the scheme that they can't make a lot of

1652
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 3: catches and have a lot of yards. I mean, so

1653
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 3: it just comes down. You know, when I look at them,

1654
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 3: I see traits and attributes and characteristics, and I don't

1655
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 3: necessarily think, Wow, these guys are unbelievably special prospects. They're

1656
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:42,560
Speaker 3: good prospects.

1657
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 2: We got Tyson and Tate leading the charge. Mackay Lemon.

1658
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 2: I know, our guy Brandon's done a lot of work.

1659
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 2: There is usc ties there and looking back at what

1660
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 2: he brought to the table, but yeah, just that curiosity,

1661
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,799
Speaker 2: and right off the jump, we get the quarterback, the presumption,

1662
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 2: and we joked about it the other day. The odds

1663
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 2: of the quad god winning his event in the Olympics

1664
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 2: was the same as Fernando Mendoza going number one to

1665
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 2: the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would say the two receivers and again

1667
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 3: what I'm two I'm about to name. It doesn't mean

1668
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 3: I think they're the best too, just it's guys that fast.

1669
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 3: You know, when I do this kind of work, I

1670
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 3: often get, you know, really intrigued by players. You know,

1671
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 3: the two guys that really intrigued me, or Denzel Boston

1672
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:31,719
Speaker 3: from Washington and Malachi Fields from Notre Dame. I find

1673
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 3: both those guys really intriguing. I really like Boston's tape.

1674
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 3: Fields was so interesting because he was at the Senior

1675
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 3: Ball six four two eighteen and he was a very

1676
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 3: interesting watch. So those are just two guys that fascinate me.

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01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 3: I have no idea where they're gonna go, where they

1678
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 3: end up, what they'll do, but you know, just watching

1679
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 3: their tape was really intriguing.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait to see how this process develops. Nine days

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01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,799
Speaker 2: you'll descend upon Indianapolis. Can't wait to hear the reports

1682
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 2: from there. Greg, It's been a pleasure rolling through this

1683
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 2: campaign with you. Look forward to doing it again.

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01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:04,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope we can do it more. Mike really

1685
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 3: love being with every week. It was awesome.

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01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 2: Appreciate you at Great co Sell where you find him

1687
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,759
Speaker 2: in the Twitter verse. Check it all out the matchups show,

1688
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 2: NFL films. He's our guy. Coming up next, we've got

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Speaker 2: Countdown presented by bet MGM. Thanks for hanging with us.

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01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 2: Find me over at Swallow Dome for all my Tom foolery.

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Speaker 2: We'll see