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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Solid Verbal. I'll that for me.

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Speaker 2: And now Dan and Tie. Hey everybody, and welcome back

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Speaker 2: the Solid Verbal. This is once again the voice of

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Thank you for having me on. I'd like

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Speaker 2: It seemed fine. It didn't. It didn't strike me as like, ooh,

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Speaker 2: The thing I'm I'm always curious about is when you

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Speaker 3: yourself with people who are going to tell you, hey,

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00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 3: here's here's how they actually succeed here, because it's just

435
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,719
Speaker 3: such a dramatic change from total boise and and what

436
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 3: you're going up against. Uh, you know, you know, shout

437
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 3: out to San Jose State obviously, and like there have

438
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 3: been some teams that have risen up in the Mountain

439
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 3: West obviously, but it's just a complete change and in

440
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 3: the uh, you know, the difficulty on the Madden level there, right,

441
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 3: So you're just you need to surround yourself, I guess

442
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 3: with people that show you here's what to do. But

443
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 3: and I know he goes back with Bobo from going

444
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 3: against him that color out of state. But I'm really

445
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: curious to see if that's if those moves are a

446
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 3: fit and kind of help speed this up, or is

447
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 3: this just going to be a whole learning process here

448
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 3: for the next year.

449
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: It seems like I can appreciate a big swing, you know,

450
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 2: I can say I lean going younger up in comer

451
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: to sort of reinvigorate a program that I honestly didn't

452
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: need all that much. I mean, they've they've beaten Alabama

453
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: relatively recently, so it wasn't a program that needed to

454
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: be scrapped to the studs. But at the same time,

455
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: it's big swing. Those are big personalities, and they have

456
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: connections in the South. They have good reputations in the South,

457
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: I assume with with high school coaches, and are known quantities,

458
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: so that seems important. But at a place like Tennessee

459
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 2: that does need to be scrapped down to the studs.

460
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 2: It seems are we all overreacting when we view And

461
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 2: these are my words. I'm not putting anybody's words in

462
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 2: your mouth or anything, but like ten See has appeared

463
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 2: to be a more and more unwinnable place, that there

464
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: are so many voices, and that the athletic department is

465
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: in such chaos. You know, phil former comes in, makes

466
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 2: a bad hire and then retires like it seems that

467
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: so much needs to be rebooted, and yet here we

468
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 2: are with yet another situation that I mean, I think

469
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: the whole recruiting department was fired over what is expected

470
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 2: to be major violations. Is is Tennessee years away from

471
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: being a stable place, and whoever they end up hiring

472
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: is really more of a like a table setter to

473
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: just turn the aircraft carrier around or or somebody can

474
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 2: somebody be legitimately set up for success in Knoxville in

475
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: the year twenty twenty one.

476
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 3: It's, uh, you nailed it. I mean, this is the

477
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 3: really like the whole thing's just insane to me. It

478
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 3: really is like they fired him because he went three

479
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 3: and seven, but they're turning themselves in for recruiting violations

480
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 3: so they don't have to pay the full twelve plus million.

481
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 3: But of course we all know Dan how this sport works.

482
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: That they need to keep him quiet, right, so surely

483
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: they need to negotiate a reduced payment because you're gonna

484
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 3: want an NDA and so it's just a just a

485
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 3: damn mess. The billable hours on this are going to

486
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: be spectacular, they really are. I think they've you know,

487
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 3: now they need to hire an ad who will then

488
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: hire a head coach and then the two of them

489
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: will have to figure out how far this whole thing's

490
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 3: been set back. And you know, of course, like there's

491
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: no you know, they haven't won the SEC since O seven.

492
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 3: And as much as it's I can't get past the

493
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 3: recruiting piece of this, I really can't like what you

494
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: sign these really high level recruiting classes when pruit gets there.

495
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 3: I mean, how do you think you pulled that off? Right? Like? What?

496
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 3: Like there was a lot of talk about integrity during

497
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 3: this press conference today and about how they're going to

498
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 3: move forward with integrity and that that you know, they

499
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: can't stand for this kind of stuff, but it's it

500
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 3: strikes me as just insane that this Like I'm sorry,

501
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 3: how how are you? How did you think he was

502
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 3: doing this? Like a dos anybody? I'm just exasperated. I

503
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 3: don't want to go down the whole road of bagman

504
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 3: in the SEC and all that. There's there's really no

505
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 3: need for that but right Tennessee clearly is like gonna

506
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 3: need to figure out how to how to be successful

507
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 3: and and they're going to like act like what what

508
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 3: just happened over these last couple of years is is

509
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: not the model. It was a bad higher. But I

510
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: mean the next guy is going to try and do

511
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 3: all the same stuff right in terms of trying to

512
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 3: just rebuild it through the talent, through through through through

513
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: high level recruiting that you know, it's going to have

514
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 3: to be pretty squeaky clean here. And I guess we'll

515
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 3: see what penalties come down the road from all this.

516
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 3: But what a what an incredible mess. And I mean,

517
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: you know, I guess we can go through all the

518
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 3: usual names, right, Like I mean, if you were the

519
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 3: head of the search committee, who who would you want

520
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 3: to talk to for this job?

521
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: Right? I mean it's Billy Napier. Any job in the South,

522
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: his name is going to pop up. He's also from

523
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: the state and has won, has hired well. I think

524
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: his defensive coordinator this year is pretty well regarded. It

525
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: was Ron Roberts before who Baylor hired away with Dave Randa,

526
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: and now it's Patrick Tony, Like he seems like a name,

527
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: but it's now a matter of he can choose his

528
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 2: name is coming up with all sorts of jobs. He's

529
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 2: clearly been extremely patient, Yes, has been extremely patient. And

530
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: Tennessee for all of you know, the insults and everything,

531
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: you know, the shade people want to throw at Knoxville whatever.

532
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: It's a huge place that has a huge stadium and

533
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: a huge commitment. The reason they're firing coaches is because

534
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: they want to pay for a team to win. You know,

535
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: enter your whatever recruiting jokes now. But like they're committed

536
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: to figuring it out, well they do it correctly. I

537
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: don't know they have a track record of not doing it.

538
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 2: But at least you're getting that from the school that

539
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: you're going to have the resources that the right guy

540
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: can come in and say, this is what I want

541
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: my recruiting department to look like. This is what I

542
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: want the training table to look like. This is what

543
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 2: I how I want practice to be in the facilities

544
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: to be like. And Tennessee won't bok at any of that.

545
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: So if they hire a professional athletic director, I know

546
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: I saw like Wit Babcock, the Virginia Tech guy who's

547
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: pretty well regarded his name come up. If they hire

548
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 2: somebody who is a pro I think it goes a

549
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: long way into attracting a pro coach, like a pro

550
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: in that you know, somebody who is professional about his business.

551
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: And it will attract Jeff when you say pro coach

552
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: right exactly, it will. It will attract not maybe the

553
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: biggest names, but the right names. And I think that's huge.

554
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: So that that would that would to me be the

555
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: silver lining with the Tennessee opening, that they can get

556
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: it right with the athletic director first and foremost to

557
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: sort of set up like you like to to note,

558
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: a five star culture.

559
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I don't think it's about job. I don't

560
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: And I think as long as as long and I

561
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe in civilized sanctions help establish a sense that, hey,

562
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: we got to be patient. This is not going to

563
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: happen in two years. This is going to be a

564
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: build up with this next hire, and you know, especially nowadays,

565
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: like we've already seen it quite a bit already. But

566
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: I mean, if they just have like a ton of

567
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: players going the portal too, I think that will also

568
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: make it pretty clear that this is not a program

569
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: that's going to win big in twenty one or twenty

570
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: two that it's going to be. You have to just

571
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 3: try and get the right guy, support them and hiring

572
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: the right staff and then just let them let them

573
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: do their jobs. Here for a few years, and it

574
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: just seemed like folks were after a pretty like week

575
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: winning streak there in was it year two or year

576
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: two right with pro I mean, just a winning streak

577
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: off a bunch of like not great teams. But suddenly

578
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: it was like, oh crap, we're going to be incredible

579
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: in year three, and it's like, no, that's not the

580
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: case at all, especially with where Florida and Georgia are at.

581
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: So you have to now people expect more than three

582
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: and seven. And that's fair, but it you know, these

583
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: jobs can just turn into such pressure cookers when you

584
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: have the wrong expectations and when you think, oh, they've

585
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: got all this talent, so they should be instantly good

586
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: next year, right, No, that's just not going to be

587
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: the case, especially in the kind of competitive environment they're in.

588
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 3: And I guess you know what doomed there is like

589
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: you know, you just can't keep getting blown out like

590
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 3: the way they did this yere too. It's just go

591
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 3: to they got to build a lot more competitive program

592
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: that doesn't lose these G five games and doesn't have

593
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: these embarrassments.

594
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm as guilty as anybody to look at

595
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: results against subpar teams and a lot of these cases

596
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: as meaningful growth, right when really, if you lose to

597
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: Alabama thirty one to twenty four, that's a lot more

598
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: meaningful than beating a South Carolina team by two touchdowns.

599
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: That the level of competition matters. And of a walk

600
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: before you can run thing, you got to be able

601
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: to hang with the top of the top. And that's

602
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: you know, that's what Texts A and M did last

603
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: year against Georgia. They were right there. A couple of

604
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: bad calls went against them, but I think it was

605
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: a nineteen thirteen final. Those seem to be the telltale

606
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: signs of heading in the right direction. And I think

607
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: it's very easy when you know Tennessee has been down

608
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: in the way that they've been down these past I

609
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: guess a couple decades, really to just take what you

610
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: can get. But you really have to be careful. I

611
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: really have to be careful to look at any program

612
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: and say, you know, beating up on other flawed teams

613
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: is fine, but not necessarily as much as we think

614
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: it might be.

615
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: I mean, the really hard thing is getting to where

616
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: A and M got to where the floor is like

617
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: eight and four. You know, that's a really hard thing

618
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: to do in that conference year after year. In Tennessee,

619
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: after one year of winning eight games, it's like, you know,

620
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: you feel like you've made this progress and that you're

621
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: ready to contend in that division again. And I'm not

622
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 3: saying anybody you know in Knoxville thought they're going to

623
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: win the SEC this year. But still you have to

624
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: understand that it's going to be a long process. That

625
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: didn't happen for Saban or anybody else in just a

626
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: couple of years. They really didn't. And so I'm fast

627
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: fascinating to see where they go and are you know,

628
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: I think the way they framed things today, it's really

629
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: hard to hire Hugh Freeze. It just really is. And

630
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: so I'm sure it will be an attractive job to

631
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: a lot of folks, But I'm sure the Boogeyman of

632
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: the n cbl A kind of hanging over all this

633
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 3: is going to make some people a little bit wary.

634
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: Not to mention just all the drama that comes with Tennessee.

635
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: Now, also important to note if Tennessee does want to

636
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: hire Hugh Freeze, they're just gonna that's I mean nothing

637
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: like college football teams do what they want to do,

638
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: And I don't think optics are as important as we

639
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: all may think. Like these programs are just going to

640
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: do what they want to do and hope for the best.

641
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. The only hang up there is just like is

642
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: you know, is is there? Just does Greg sink? He

643
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: just not let the schools in his league fins right now?

644
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: You know? And that's I guess that's possible. But are

645
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: you gonna be It's gonna be? And and by the way,

646
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 3: like should we throw Gus in there as a just

647
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: candidate for this job? Like wouldn't that be a totally

648
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: acceptable outcome?

649
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: Seems like a professional head coach was available for head

650
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: coaching jobs. Are you a Brett Bielam a believer in Champagne?

651
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: I'm I'm, I'm into it. I'm I'm I'm I'm pretty intrigued.

652
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: I think, Uh, I've kind of I wouldn't say I've

653
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: missed a ball, but I'm good with seeing it again

654
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: that the Illinois football program has been a very interesting

655
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: experiment in trying to like it was wild to watch

656
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: Lovey just like try to build a team through the

657
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: transfer portal and uh, you know, with with some some results,

658
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: but you know, we're going back to the old roots

659
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: here of here's how you try to try to win

660
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: in that division of the Big Ten. Yeah, I feel

661
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: I feel as if he can find decent enough lignemen

662
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: in the Midwest. It's a big school. You'll play on

663
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: national TV. I mean, you'll play on the Big Ten network,

664
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: And it's a matter of to me, it's just going

665
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: all in. I guess Lovey's identity was transfer Portal one,

666
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: but just saying okay, and we're going to run the

667
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: hell out of the ball and we're going to be

668
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: this power team like he was at Wisconsin in the

669
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: beginning of Arkansas and then they threw the hell out

670
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: of the ball near the end of his time at Arkansas.

671
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: I think that's just especially for whatever reason, in the

672
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: Big Ten, there is something about we're an RPO team,

673
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 2: We're a power running team, we are a ball control

674
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 2: and defense team. I think that's gonna be key for Bilama.

675
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: Just just recruit to a specific identity and roll with it.

676
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and it's he shows up an interesting time

677
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: because you've got obviously Northwestern rolling right now, you know,

678
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 3: with their bounce back year. You have you know, you

679
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: have you have Minnesota. It's still really competitive. Yeah, Iowa,

680
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: who had had a great year. You've got Wisconsin, and

681
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: you got uh, you got Nebraska, who's who's still struggling.

682
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: So it's and and I'm leaving some people out. I

683
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: don't mean to, but it's, uh, he shows up at

684
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 3: a very competitive time and it's going to be I

685
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: look forward to the uh, you know, six foot eight

686
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 3: men that he finds in the Midwest to to build

687
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: this thing on.

688
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned Nebraska that is your local team.

689
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 2: I had mentioned with your coworker Andy Staples that Notre

690
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: Dame was on sort of a treadmill of very good

691
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: but not great. Nebraska would happily take that treadmill, right, Yes, yes,

692
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: that's right. They could not throw the football too wide

693
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: receivers last year and have not been able to since

694
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: maybe that Adrian Martinez game against Ohio State. My question is, yeah,

695
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: our wide receivers are good. They could definitely use some

696
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: wide receivers they especially now after losing their best wide

697
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: receiver to Kentucky and Wandelle Robinson. Nebraska has now reached

698
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: a point where Scott Frost bringing what worked at UCF

699
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: to Lincoln is not a reality. Maybe something else is,

700
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: maybe some other way of succeeding. But in terms of

701
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: the coaching changes, in terms of the players leaving and

702
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: coming in, is there any single reason for hope that

703
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 2: Scott Frost has turned a corner, has cracked some sort

704
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: of code to get this Nebraska team not to a

705
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: really impressive place. But yeah, they're definitely better than Illinois.

706
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: Northwestern can hang with Iowa, and I know the games

707
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 2: have been close with Iowa recently, but that for four quarters,

708
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: Nebraska players and coaches are going to bring everything they

709
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: possibly have in a sensical, impressive way.

710
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to be a no for me. It's

711
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: a big set of there.

712
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: No.

713
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 3: I think this is an off season of of real

714
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: soul searching. I think for for Scott Frost and Nebraska,

715
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: after you know, getting getting dunked on on Twitter, all

716
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 3: all fall along by everybody. I think it's certainly right now.

717
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 3: I think it around here, it certainly feels like the

718
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 3: first off season where people are kind of like willing

719
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: to kind of go there and kind of questioned Scott

720
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: Frost and kind of question like, wait, you know, is

721
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 3: there is there a blueprint where this is about to turn?

722
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 3: Because I think that clearly the you know, the magic

723
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: of UCF has been really, really difficult to recreate in Lincoln, Nebraska,

724
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 3: and there's a ton of reasons for that. But I

725
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: think that you know, like frequently in the twenty nineteen season,

726
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, Scott Frost would tell, you know,

727
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 3: publicly say like this thing's about to turn, and when

728
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: it's going to turn, it's it's happened really fast, and

729
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 3: it's going to be huge, and it just look twenty

730
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: twenty was tough in a ton of ways, and uh,

731
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: you know, anyone can can choose to make excuses about

732
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: that if they want to. It makes sense. But the

733
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 3: fact that you know, Wandelle Robinson is leaving is a

734
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: pretty disconcerting signal about where Nebraska's at right now. And

735
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 3: just like the morale and you know, they don't they

736
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: don't have the playmakers now they're two best ones for

737
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: him and and JD. Spielman, who transferred to TCU within

738
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: the last year. You know, I like it's unclear if

739
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: he's going to be making a bunch of staff changes.

740
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 3: It's you know, uh, the recruiting is is solid right now,

741
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,959
Speaker 3: but you know, is this team, you know, and they've

742
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: got everybody like pretty much everybody coming back on defense

743
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: next year, which I think makes that side of the

744
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 3: ball like slightly uh, you know, encouraging. But it's just

745
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 3: bizarre to say that after after a few years and

746
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: at Nebraska, Scott Frost like hasn't figured out the offense.

747
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 3: I didn't really and you've watched his offenses at Oregon planning,

748
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 3: and like, I never really thought that would be like

749
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: the question mark after a few years of.

750
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: This something I think Oregon fans know very very well

751
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: that Nebraska fans may not or have come around to

752
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: Scott Frost hasn't been the best quarterback evaluator. When he

753
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: passed on Tua, he had a kid in Arizona like that.

754
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: His record for identifying quarterbacks of the future, like this

755
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: is my guy. I have watched him throw, This is

756
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: who we need to build our program around is not

757
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: super great. Is not all that impressive, especially when you watch.

758
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: This sea he took like Burmaster over toa he.

759
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: Didn't take Burmeistrover to a Burmestro I believe was a

760
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 2: late Willie Taggart.

761
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: It was okay.

762
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: He he had recruited Ryan Kelly out of Arizona. That

763
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 2: was his guy who eventually decommitted and went to Arizona State.

764
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: He slow played Justin Herbert, if that is an indicator,

765
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: the greatest ricky quarterback of all dead, who was in

766
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: his backyard, who was like he had to be convinced

767
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: a legend that Justin Herbert was of Oregon quality. And

768
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: so I think there is some sentiment within the uh

769
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: the Oregon community that Scott Frost is more of a chip.

770
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: Kelly struggled with, you know, quarterback of the future identification

771
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 2: as well a lot of like four star kids who

772
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: did not pan out. And then you watch Nebraska football

773
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: this year and it was pretty clear that Luke McCaffrey

774
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: was not a big ten quarterback. Make he can run

775
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 2: the ball well, right, but it seemed like, oh this,

776
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: this doesn't seem like the answer for somebody who can

777
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 2: throw the ball thirty times against Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin.

778
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was it was confusing this season where

779
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: you know, Adrian Martinez was able to come back and

780
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: at times kind of regained some of his confidence. And

781
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: you know, they they went with McCaffrey at one point,

782
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 3: and then they bench McCaffrey for Martinez, but they said,

783
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: just to be clear, McCaffrey's the future of the program.

784
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 3: But then men Martinez kind of finished it out. And

785
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: now you go through this offseason where inevitably, just like

786
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: with any of these, you know, any of these programs

787
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: around the country, like you kind of have to pick

788
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: one because the other guy's probably gonna kind of want

789
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 3: to leave, you know, And so we'll see kind of

790
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: who they bet on here and if or if you

791
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: can try and find a way to you know, placid

792
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 3: them and keep them both. But you've got to you've

793
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 3: got to make that really critical decision. And you know,

794
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: just early on in the tenure here, I mean in

795
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 3: terms of what they inherited and where they started, just

796
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: they've had a couple of years of in in you know,

797
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 3: sixteen seventeen eighteen, a couple years of just really really

798
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: poor recruiting, just classes that did not pan out at all,

799
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 3: and that's where you see the weaknesses this year, and

800
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 3: where you try and you know, they're gonna have to

801
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 3: add transfers to try and cover that up a little bit.

802
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 3: But you go back and look under the hood there

803
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: a little bit. There's just a lot of classes that

804
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: did not pan out, and that makes for a lot

805
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: of guys in the starting lineup who you're wondering, is

806
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: this is this really like a first team Big ten

807
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: kind of guy? Right So it's going to be, like

808
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: I said, I think Scott Frost is, I'm sure going

809
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 3: to do a lot of thinking this this offseason about

810
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: what is our identity, what do we hang our hat on,

811
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: what can we where do we need to get better

812
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 3: to be you know, more competitive in this in this conference,

813
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 3: because it's all like it's all worthy of like being

814
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: questioned right now.

815
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: When you look at the transfer market right now as

816
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: it stands, a lot of big name quarterbacks, a lot

817
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: of you know, you mentioned won Dale Robinson, he goes

818
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: back home to Kentucky. Were there names that surprised you

819
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: when you look at like, Okay, this guy is going

820
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: to this school now, or this guy is on the market.

821
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 2: This has has parked my interest, has piqued my interest

822
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: as somebody like okay, this is somebody who is going

823
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 2: to affect how we perceive the twenty twenty one season.

824
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: Who have been your eye openers on the transfer market.

825
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been a bunch. I mean, I think probably

826
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: for most people and certainly for you know, for your

827
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 3: co host, probably Jack Cone to Notre Dame is probably

828
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: the headliner in terms of affecting the national picture. Really

829
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: curious to see kind of how that how that works,

830
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: and certainly, you know, there's enough pieces around him that

831
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 3: you would think he'd be set up to succeed. I

832
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: thought I thought Jared Guarantana going to Washington State was like,

833
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 3: to me, kind of like Wilton Spate going to play

834
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: for Chip Kelly. It was kind of like that, that

835
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 3: that kind of a fit. I'm like, yeah, interesting, Okay,

836
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 3: we'll see. Like he's never he's never really been. I mean,

837
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 3: he's a four year starter, but he's never been like

838
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 3: better than like a sixty two percent passer. So does

839
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: that make sense in Rollo's offense. I'd probably rather invest

840
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: in Jane Delora, So we'll see about that. You know,

841
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 3: Janye Morris from Tennessee just committed to Oklahoma today. Yeah,

842
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: and it's not you know, it's not super often that

843
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: a sec starting left tackle and former freshman All American

844
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: with three more years to play, just sort of pops

845
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: up on the market. So Oklahoma, you know, getting better

846
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: and better on the offensive line. That's that's the rich

847
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: getting richer for sure. Have you noticed what Utah has

848
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: been doing this offseason?

849
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: I noticed that what Jake Bentley's gone, he went to

850
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: South Alabama. I don't who is Utah added? So Utah

851
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: added Charlie Brewer from Baylor. Yes, that's right. All they

852
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: added Chris Curry, the big Lis, Chris.

853
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: Curry, the future Marshawn lynch Is as Coacho once called him.

854
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 3: And also TJ Pledger from Oklahoma running back and also

855
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: a very good young quarterback in Jaquinn and Jackson from

856
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: Texas to compete with Charlie Brewer and Cam Rising there.

857
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: So Utah just like totally remaking their offense in the

858
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,479
Speaker 3: portal so far, I think is pretty cool. We're still

859
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 3: waiting on a decision from Eric Gilbert, which is going

860
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: to be a huge deal because that might be like

861
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 3: a Georgia versus Florida battle now, and you know, pretty

862
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 3: pretty consequential. Florida States added a bunch of interesting players

863
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 3: in the course of this, including of course Mackenzie Milton

864
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 3: and how awesome would it be if he can he

865
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: can get back the best and then Miami, you know,

866
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: trying to win another portal title this year, as they

867
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: tended to do under many dias with Charleston Rambo from

868
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 3: Oklahoma and Tyreek Stevenson from Georgia, DeAndre Johnson from Tennessee,

869
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 3: and then the under the radar one I'm loving. Are

870
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 3: you familiar with ba Bailey Zappi?

871
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: Dan, No, I guess I put all my Bailey eggs

872
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: into the Bailey Hawkman basket? Who I think is going

873
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: to Middle Tennessee? Who's Who's Bailey zapp.

874
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: Bailey Zappi quarterback from Houston Baptist, Okay at the at

875
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: the FCS level this year, Houston Baptist decided that they

876
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: wanted to play a mini season instead of sitting out

877
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 3: in the fall, and so they scheduled a bunch of

878
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: games against FBS teams.

879
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: Uh. They almost upset Texas Tech in Lubbock. Yes, they

880
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: put six hundred plus yards on Tech. Yeah, yes, correct.

881
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 3: And their quarterback Bailey Zappi really really talented dude. His

882
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: OC there is Zach Kittley, a guy who came up

883
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 3: under of Kingsbury at Texas Tech and Western Kentucky hired

884
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: Zach Hitley, and Zach Hitley brought with him Bailey Zappy

885
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: and their two best receivers from HBU to go to

886
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: Western Kentucky. And so pretty pretty interesting to see what

887
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: that looks like. Because he was Zapi was the nation's

888
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: leading passer in terms of the four game season he

889
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 3: played among FBS quarterbacks even though he was an FCS. Dude.

890
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, I can't think of a better way to

891
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,959
Speaker 2: end all of this than talking about.

892
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 3: Bailey's appy awareness. It's what Bailey Zappy aware.

893
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: I'm on the transfer the twenty four to seven transfer

894
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 2: portal page, and Bailey Zappi's recruiting profile in the class

895
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 2: of twenty seventeen was nobody knows who he is. That's right.

896
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: He is just na across the board. There seemed to

897
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: be interest from Houston lamar Rice and SMU, but only

898
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 2: an offer from Houston Baptist. So I hold it work out.

899
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: He's a kid that I wrote about in this fall.

900
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: He's a kid that went around to Texas Tech and

901
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: Baylor and A and M and Texas and all these

902
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,959
Speaker 2: places for camps and just couldn't get anybody's attention because

903
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: they were all kind of, you know, set on the

904
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: guys they were going to take. And so he got

905
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 2: his shot and he's he's a pretty. It's it's a pretty,

906
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's always good when you can hire

907
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: people that know Cliff Kingsbury or Sean McVay or anything

908
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: like that. And so shout out to Western Kentucky for

909
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: taking that plunge. But I think Zach Hilly's a stud

910
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: and I think that's a that was a sneaky, great

911
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: hire they made. And so when you can just import

912
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: an offense over from from a school like that, it's

913
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: gonna be pretty cool to watch, all right. Final question

914
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: is not having to do with football at all. I

915
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: looked onto your Twitter feed and I searched the word pizza.

916
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: And oh, I'd love to talk about pizza.

917
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 2: I have all sorts of interesting tweets about you and pizza.

918
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: December fourth, two thousand and nine. No longer eating Toby

919
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: Keith for dinner. We're at some dirty pizza place. Now, Oh,

920
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: how you underwhelm me? Oklahoma City. Zero retweets, zero likes.

921
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: Wow, digging up my college tweets.

922
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: Thanks Man twenty ten, Awesome evening in Kansas City, H

923
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,959
Speaker 2: and M, California, Pizza kitchen toy story three in three

924
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: D next. Unfortunately I'm missing Entourage, but I'll live. What

925
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 2: see you painted?

926
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 3: Is there an app that you can just delete all

927
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 3: tweets prior to like twenty twelve or something? You know,

928
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 3: Can I just delete it? Tell you that tweets in

929
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 3: one fell sweet?

930
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: There is?

931
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, there absolutely is some deep cuts. I

932
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: was going to ask you. You know, I've been I've

933
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 3: been closely watching all of your pizza tweets lately and

934
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 3: and googling you know, these uh these pizza stones, and wondering.

935
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 3: You know, I love I love the outcomes that you're

936
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 3: getting there. I don't love working with Doe, Okay, I

937
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: feel like you. I say, hey, that's actually really easy.

938
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 3: You get the hang of it quickly and all that stuff.

939
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: But I'm very intrigued by this lifestyle that you're embracing,

940
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: of being pizza man, and i'd i'd love to give

941
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: it a try. If it's not too expensive to get

942
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: into the pizza pizza steel, it's.

943
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 2: Not at all, so I have. I think the thing

944
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 2: I have it it's a baking steel. It's made by

945
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: a company. There is a company called Baking Steel, but

946
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: I think the one I got it from is called

947
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: nerd Chef. And it's a basic square, maybe sixteen by

948
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: sixteen inch piece of steel. You just stick in your

949
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 2: oven and you preheat it for an hour and it

950
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: conducts seed very well. And when I turn the.

951
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 3: Broiler on it at the end, it gets to really, what

952
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 3: do you what do you set the oven to?

953
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: My oven goes to five point fifty, But then I

954
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: turned the broiler on the last few minutes and it

955
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 2: gets five to eighty somewhere in there. Okay, Wow, working

956
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 2: with dough is great. I have become a big fan

957
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: of because I work from home. My wife works from home.

958
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: You know, I'm building toys all the time. I'm playing

959
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: with my kid all the time. I like activities where

960
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: I can zone out and just listen to a podcast.

961
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm building dressers for you know, my

962
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 2: kids room and like that. So I like those activities.

963
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: And so when it got cold here and I was

964
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: going outside less and I still try to go outside

965
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: for a run, but I wanted an indoor activity that

966
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 2: I could just zone out doing. And I'm a big,

967
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: big believer and even like micro accomplishments. Just find something

968
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: that you wanted to get a little bit better at,

969
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: or find something that you've never been able to do well,

970
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 2: or you just are curious about, and just dive in.

971
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 2: Just become healthily obsessed with something new because it's you know,

972
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: the world is burning and it's good to find something small.

973
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: Man.

974
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 3: That's funny, you say, my former colleague Jake Trotter was

975
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 3: always very good at this. That he would pick a

976
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 3: new thing every off season and just become like an

977
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 3: expert of that. And when he told me that, and

978
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 3: he told me the things you do, I was like,

979
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 3: I've never considered that I could just like pick things

980
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 3: and become good at them. You know, that's a that's

981
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 3: a strange thing to think about doing each year, but

982
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 3: it makes it it's so obvious.

983
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 2: It's completely obvious. And it can be food, it can

984
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 2: be learning a language, it can be increasing your five

985
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: K time, it can be I don't know, whatever, you like,

986
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: getting good at photography. I mean there's some hobbies that

987
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: are more expensive than others. I listen to all that. Yeah,

988
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: I listen. If you've always wanted to learn how to

989
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: how to sew, you just learn how to sew, like

990
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: it's you can do it. If you wanted to grow

991
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: an herb garden, grow an herb garden. I listened to

992
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: an NBA show and one of the hosts is Ben Golliver,

993
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: writer for the Now Washington Post, and he does this

994
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: and his project in twenty twenty one, He's like, I'm

995
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 2: just gonna hammer my core. I'm just going hard literal

996
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: hard COREA. I admire the hell out of that, and

997
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to the opposite direction with my hobby. But

998
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 2: making dough is not difficult, and there are obsessive message

999
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: boards on the Internet and there's a million recipes and

1000
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: you can get as nerdy as you want. And pizza

1001
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: making is essentially delicious science because pizza people like to

1002
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 2: say pizzas alive, because technically your dough is alive. It's

1003
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: formed by you know, microbes, living organisms in yeast, and

1004
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 2: so it's you throw together some flour and some water

1005
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: and some salt and you mix it with your hands

1006
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: and you just throw it in the fridge and then

1007
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: a couple days later you pull it out and you

1008
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 2: form it into bowl to balls, and you let those

1009
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: hang out for a couple hours. Then you smear it

1010
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 2: into a bigger piece and you throw sauce and cheese on.

1011
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: You throw it in the oven like it's it's make

1012
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: it sound so simple, it really do. I can't recommend

1013
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: it enough. It's extremely fun. I just I want to

1014
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: make pizzas as often as possible, not because I want

1015
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: to eat them, which I do, and I just give

1016
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: them away to friends and it's a in a weird

1017
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: social time. It's been pretty fun.

1018
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: I do have a novice question for you. Here can

1019
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 3: you explain to the people if you haven't already, I'm

1020
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: sure you have already. Why is it important that the

1021
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 3: public sees the bottom of the pizza?

1022
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, So you wanted a dough that turns intwo

1023
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: So a dough is only when it's uncooked, but you

1024
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 2: want a crust that's completely cooked through. And it depends

1025
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: on how hot you can get your oven. And so

1026
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: if you look at the bottom of like a Dominoes pie,

1027
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: Dominoes is fine. This is not a slighte against dormenoes.

1028
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 2: But they're cooking them so quickly and they're putting them

1029
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: on these like mesh discs, that you don't want it

1030
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 2: to be too soft, like people like crispy food. And

1031
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: so there's something that's very nice about a fully cooked

1032
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: through pizza because a fully cooked through pizza means that,

1033
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 2: like the inside, you want the inside to be airy.

1034
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 2: You don't want it to be dense. And so when

1035
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: the bottom is crispy and the middle of it is

1036
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 2: is cooked through an airy and there's you know, you

1037
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: see space between the gluten strands or whatever, there is

1038
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 2: something balanced about the soft inside and the crispy bottom.

1039
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: And so what's called this is the this is the

1040
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: fun term. The leopard spotting on the bottom and along

1041
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: the crust, the edge crust is an indicator that you

1042
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 2: have a good The goal is always the crisp outside

1043
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 2: with the soft inside.

1044
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 3: Uh huh, that's the goal. See, so you post them

1045
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 3: to show the leopards. I just assume you're posting them

1046
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: to show like, look, guys, it didn't burn the hell

1047
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: out of the bottom of it or something. I mean, no,

1048
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 3: there's actually it's it is a baking thing of like,

1049
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 3: look at the we achieve something on the bottom of

1050
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 3: this as well.

1051
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 2: So the next step if I were truly to become

1052
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: a pizza artisan. You can get a pizza, you can

1053
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 2: build a pizza oven, or you can now buy consumer

1054
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: grade pizza ovens. You just have to pay a lot

1055
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: closer attention during the bake because it's really easy to

1056
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: burn pizza because you know, a real pie or a

1057
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: real Neapolitan style pie, you're talking eight nine hundred degrees

1058
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: in the oven. So that's when you you really have

1059
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: to It's basically like driving stick, like you really have

1060
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: to be riding the clutch, the pizza clutch, if you're

1061
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,479
Speaker 2: going to do it right. So no, I'm not worried

1062
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 2: about burning because I don't think.

1063
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 3: You have you messed with these oonies?

1064
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: You do? You know that's what I'm talking about. Yeah,

1065
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 2: so I have not. I'm curious though. You can get

1066
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: an Oonie twelve or Annie sixteen, depending on the size

1067
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: of the pie you want. Are you curious? I've seen them.

1068
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: They look pretty I mean especially, yeah, they do. They

1069
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 2: look pretty badass as just like a thing to have around,

1070
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: especially if you're embracing that lifestyle. I should add that

1071
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: I would probably be almost more interested in not to

1072
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: suck up.

1073
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 3: Do you hear anything? I would almost be more interested

1074
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Speaker 3: in taking taking a run at your Detroit style recipe.

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Speaker 3: Results there look incredible.

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Speaker 2: I would what I would do. So the recipe I used,

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Speaker 2: you can google it. It's J Kenji Lopez Alt is

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Speaker 2: the name of the author.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, okay, yeah, so if you've heard of I'm

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Speaker 3: a subscriber to All Things.

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Speaker 2: So it's J. Kenji Lopez is Alt Lopez Alt's recipe.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a one day recipe. You can literally throw

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Speaker 2: everything into a food processor. The sauce is quite easy.

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Speaker 2: You can do it with Mozzarelli. I mean, the real

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Speaker 2: Detroit cheese is called brick cheese. But it's one of

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Speaker 2: the easiest recipes you can do. It's basically mix it

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Speaker 2: in a food process or throw it on the bottom

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Speaker 2: of a pan. Let it hang out, spread it, let

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Speaker 2: it hang out, spread it some more. Top it with

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Speaker 2: cheese and whatever toppings you want, top it with sauce,

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Speaker 2: throw it in the oven like it's it's basically making lasagna. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's quite easy. That's very encouraging. There was a place

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Speaker 2: down in Austin we love via three to one three

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Speaker 2: that ace this and have been missing that for sure.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I would I would do I via

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Speaker 2: three one three is on my list. I haven't been

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Speaker 2: spent a lot of time in Austin, but I've heard

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Speaker 2: great things about it. You can make and I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: recommend doing it often because it's just a heavy pie.

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Speaker 2: But if you're in the mood, you could go to

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Speaker 2: the store tonight, get the ingredients necessary, and make it

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Speaker 2: tomorrow with zero pizza experience and it would be delicious.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Maybe this is you know, as we start twenty

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Speaker 3: one here, it's time to think about, you know, self actualization.

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Speaker 3: You know, be the.

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Speaker 2: Best Max Olson that you can possibly be, and be

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Speaker 2: the best solid verbal listener you can possibly be. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna recommend it again. Micro accomplishments. That's that's the name

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Speaker 2: of the game to me. That's it.

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Speaker 3: That's that's fantastic. I've learned a lot here, Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm doing my best, all right. Max Olson read

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Speaker 2: all of his work at the Athletic. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if he has a promo code to get you some

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Speaker 2: sort of you know, dollars off the Athletic subscription, but

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Speaker 2: I can tell you this. I purchased an Athletic subscription

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Speaker 2: for myself when the company launched, and especially when the

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Speaker 2: college football team was built out. I use it every day.

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Speaker 2: They're not a sponsor, they're not paying me to say this.

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Speaker 2: It is a very worthwhile investment. And you get to

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Speaker 2: read Max Olsen during the season, during the off season

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Speaker 2: alongside all sorts of great people like your friends, Bruce Feldman,

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Speaker 2: Andy Staples, Stewart Mandel, Nicole Auerback, you name it, they're there,

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Speaker 2: all sorts of team people. Max Olsen, thank you very

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Speaker 2: much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you man anytime.