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Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty and relationships. It's The Velvet's

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Speaker 1: Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson. Ansley McLeod is here past

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Speaker 1: life psychic, spiritual teacher, award winning author Ansley. I found

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Speaker 1: you in twenty eighteen via the Oprah Winfrey podcast, which

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of hers, and I became such

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Speaker 1: a huge fan of yours in that conversation because it

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Speaker 1: was the first time I've heard anything of this kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff, and so it was really really fascinating. I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited to have you here today, So thank you

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Speaker 1: for being here. Oh, thank you for having me. I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: I love the topic. I love my work so much,

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Speaker 1: Eddie excuse to talk about it? Well, let's start. I

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Speaker 1: want to give the listeners a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: background of just how you got on this journey in general,

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Speaker 1: because I love your story in that you weren't always

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Speaker 1: just this complete like you associate yourself with a side

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Speaker 1: or you call yourself a psychic now, but you didn't

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Speaker 1: always even believe in psychics. So it wasn't like you've

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Speaker 1: just always been on this spiritual journey where you completely

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Speaker 1: bought in. And so I want to give the listeners.

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Speaker 1: Kind of that backstory. Can you talk about your journey

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Speaker 1: into this work now? Yeah, you know, for the longest time,

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Speaker 1: like I considered myself, even from the time I was tiny,

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Speaker 1: I thought it myself as an atheist. I just really

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Speaker 1: didn't believe there's anything beyond looking back. Of course it's

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Speaker 1: completely absurd. It's some cognitive dissonance that it's best. You know.

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Speaker 1: I was holding onto two thoughts, you know, one, nothing

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Speaker 1: beyond what we see here. And then, strangely, all the

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Speaker 1: time I was growing up, I had these weird kind

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Speaker 1: of psychic experiences, but I never chalked it up to

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Speaker 1: being psychic. I just thought weird stuff seems to happen,

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Speaker 1: and that was it. I was. I was. I was

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Speaker 1: probably about thirty when somebody told about a psychic they've

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Speaker 1: been to see and I was fascinated, and I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go and talk to her. A part

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Speaker 1: of me again, this sort of cognitive distance thing. I

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Speaker 1: was going, Okay, I'm going to go and debunker, and

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Speaker 1: the other half going, WHOA, I wonder it's going going,

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Speaker 1: you know, well, this will be like and I came

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Speaker 1: out with my hair standing up on end, and you know,

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Speaker 1: after the session with her, and kind of it really

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Speaker 1: opened my eyes. But I still, you know, went through

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Speaker 1: for quite a few more years as a kind of

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Speaker 1: non believer. UM and but except I was drawn to

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Speaker 1: psychics and psychics ruined to me. I had this you know,

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Speaker 1: weird thing where a number of times psychics would approach me. Um.

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Speaker 1: One woman at Gatwick Airports, an older lady, came up

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Speaker 1: to me and she said, you know, my spurit guys

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Speaker 1: he's sitting there going, oh my god, you know what

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Speaker 1: she's doing, and he's making apologies for her. And I

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Speaker 1: was just fascinated. But looking back, I wish I had

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Speaker 1: gone maybe I had more of a conversation with her.

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Speaker 1: So it was I kept being told I was psychic,

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Speaker 1: and then I had a couple of kind of major epiphanies.

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Speaker 1: And when I talk about all the time, because it

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Speaker 1: was life transforming for me, was I'd moved to the

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Speaker 1: west coast of the States. I'm originally from Scotland, and

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Speaker 1: I took a trip to Hawaii and when when I

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Speaker 1: It was, I mean, I was aware, conscious that I

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Speaker 1: was really spacey, and there are a few little things

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Speaker 1: I mean it was stunning, because he'd been dead for

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Speaker 1: It really was. It was, well, it really got my

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Speaker 1: and I would always choke all of you know, I

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Speaker 1: I'm doing right now. Okay, it was a bumpy ride

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Speaker 1: because I didn't really know, you know, quite what I

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Speaker 1: but you would dismiss them, like what kind of things

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Speaker 1: But I would get that ridiculously, and I used to

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Speaker 1: So when you did finally lean in, what did that

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Speaker 1: I said, my uncle introduced me to the spirit guides

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Speaker 1: some extent um. You know, there's a lot of old souls,

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00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: you know. And if it's like the more you know,

428
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: the more you learn, you don't know, um, the more

429
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: humility maybe that you have. UM. But you know the

430
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: goal is um, it's to learn things like the importance

431
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: of love, I mean is the ultimate goal. So you know, compassion, empathy, um.

432
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: You know. Right now you've got the young souls going uh,

433
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, all anti woke, you know, and the old

434
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: souls what's wrong with being woke? And this is what

435
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: and that is what we hear. You know. It's a

436
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: sign of being an older and more mature soul to

437
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: actually relate to other people experience. It is because the

438
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: older the soul, the more whoever you look at you

439
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: you've kind of been there, you know. That's where the

440
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: empathy comes from. Who building that all the time. And

441
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: the young souls just you know, they don't quite have it. Um. Yeah.

442
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: And unfortunately they're the ones who tend to be a

443
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: little more ambitious and driven and tend to run most

444
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: countries and corporations and that sort of thing. Um, this

445
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: world is not a great place for a lot of

446
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: old souls. That can be hard to find your community

447
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: feely belong the short I was going to go back

448
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: and say that the the spurit guides will always say

449
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: that perfection is not the goal. Um, you just want

450
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: to learn these really fundamentally important lessons, the important lesson

451
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: of personal freedom, about justice, about love really is big,

452
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: big lessons there They say that, you know, if perfection

453
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: were the goal, would all be here forever right here,

454
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: would never get after this place. It's just you get

455
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: to a point. You still get to a point where

456
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: it goes. Yeah, I think I got it enough right,

457
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: But I mean, you can't still be dealing with Part

458
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: of the reason a lot of old souls are dealing

459
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: with anxieties and fierce is because the veil is very

460
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: thin between this plane the next. The older you get,

461
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: you know, you're practically touching your spirit world, and and

462
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: so you tap into the soul and you and your intuition,

463
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: that's just a voice of your spirit guides. Um. And

464
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: unfortunately you also tap into past lives and they can

465
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: contain some very negative experiences, and every fear of phobias.

466
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: Phobias are all death related fears, you know. So something

467
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: like a common one would be where somebody's got a

468
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: fear of public speaking. That's that's actually a phobia, is

469
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: just a death related fear. That's where that's why it's

470
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: salt and freak out, because it will cause you to

471
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: freak out because it's going, oh my god, we're going

472
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: to die again like we did in the past life.

473
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: That makes sense. I have such a fear of heights,

474
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: and so that's interesting. Well, let's take heights for for example.

475
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: You know that commonly that will be something like a

476
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: fall from a horse, okay, past in the past life.

477
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: So there's some other weird causes. There's there's one which

478
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: is you often see on a battlefield death if you're

479
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: if you're there one second and then you're gone the

480
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: next you know, you get blown up and you're just

481
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: you're just evaporated and the soul is kind of left

482
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: hanging and there's just it's almost like something like the

483
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: soul's there and the body's gone. There's and that seems

484
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: to create a fear of heights, but very commonly it's

485
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: something like like a skiing accident or just you know,

486
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: it's a fall of something. Yeah. Yeah. One funny little

487
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: aside on that is that I've talked to so many

488
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: people over the years who have a fear of heights,

489
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: and yet they've done something like skydiving or bungee jumping,

490
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: but they can't even go up one step on a ladder. Right.

491
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: But the reason that people will often do things like

492
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: that is the soul is always trying to overcome the fear,

493
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: so it pushes you into situations where you have to

494
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: face the fear. And yeah, but I understand you're probably

495
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: in no hurry to dive off a bridge or it

496
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: doesn't appeal to me. But I don't know. I mean,

497
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: who knows. Stranger things have happened. But yeah, when I

498
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: climb a ladder or I'm on a high platform, my

499
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: body physically freezes and it's like I can't move. It

500
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: is it's gotten worse as I've gotten older, And I

501
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: don't know what that is. Yeah, um, well, it's it's

502
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: it can be just yeah, it's a funny thing about

503
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: some of the fears that they get triggered by something

504
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: and they you know, they sometimes even a fear can

505
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: be dormant for a long time or throughout a big

506
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: chunk of your life. An example, very common one that

507
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: I see coming on sort of later, is often a

508
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: fear of loss, losing loved ones in a past life, saying,

509
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: and sometimes a person doesn't know they have a fear

510
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: of loss until they have something that they can lose.

511
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: You know, they might not know they have it until

512
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: they have a mortgage in a family or children would

513
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: be the big one. You know, if you check your

514
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: baby's breathing all the time and you're worried about constantly

515
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: losing them, that would go back to a past life.

516
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: I don't mean this is not just where we most

517
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: of us would have a normal concern. That's fine. Sure,

518
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: that's where you get really stressed out. Oh my god,

519
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: what's going to happen? Are afraid to let them go

520
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: in a play date or something got in the park

521
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: or whatever. That's it's a fear of repetition. So the

522
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: soul is causing alarms. So a lot of people don't

523
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: know they have a fear of loss until they have

524
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: children thing to lose. That makes total sense. So if

525
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: we start buying into this story of reincarnation. You mentioned

526
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: in your books the three different planes that exists. Can

527
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: you tell the listeners about those three different planes. Yeah.

528
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: You have the the earthly plane, physical plane, which we're

529
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: all on right right now, very solid, very three dimensional.

530
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: There's the astral plane, which is where we go between lives.

531
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: The astral plane is really where we we go to

532
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: process the life that we've had and plan for the

533
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: one that's that's coming along next. It's where we make

534
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: decisions like you know, where where do I want to live,

535
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: what sort of family do I want to come into,

536
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: What sort of lessons do I need to learn? What

537
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: karma I am I working through? So you make all

538
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: these decisions. You still make these decisions very pragmatically on

539
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: the side, because if it was up to us, you know,

540
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: with our more conscious minds on the physical plane, we'd

541
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: all be choosing to be billionaires or right, you know,

542
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: Hollywood actors. But the soul is just very pragmatic, and

543
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: it will just be on the other side going, Okay,

544
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: well I had this experience and now I need to

545
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: balance it by something else. I mean, that's basic karma.

546
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: You know. For example, it's like you know, I maybe

547
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: I took took some lives when I was in the military.

548
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: In this last life, the next life, you might come

549
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: into be a healer because you want to you know,

550
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: address the ball like that. Yeah, like the karmic pendulum's

551
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: always swinging from, you know, one side to the other.

552
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: So your soul always wants to see both sides of

553
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: the coin. And you know, maybe you had loads of

554
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: wealth in one life and so it goes, okay, great,

555
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: now let's see what it's like to go the other way,

556
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: you know that have you know, struggle to make ends meet, Yeah,

557
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: and all of it. You know, oh, you know, your

558
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: soul cup will it will be in all parts of

559
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: the world over. It's many, many lifetimes and you know,

560
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: looking for you know, so it's on the astral plane going, okay,

561
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 1: what was this baby about to be born in China?

562
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: And the parents I'm working through some fears of rejection.

563
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: I want that to be triggered so that I can

564
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: work on it. And they're going to be detached and disinterested.

565
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: They're working all the time, So what a great way

566
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: to come in. It's weird, but you know, the soul

567
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: is just thinking pragmatically all the time. Yeah, we can

568
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: trigger fears. It might be like a fear of judgment,

569
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: okayven a very critical parents, and that will force this

570
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: fear to the surface so then we can work through it.

571
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: And the other plane of existence you were talking about

572
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: is the causal plane, which is and and there maybe others.

573
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: These are just the three planes that come up in

574
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: the work. And this is where my spirit guides reside.

575
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: And this is really where where the soul goes after

576
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: it's done, after it's been on the physical plane, it's

577
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: done with that, It goes, you know, becomes a spirit

578
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: guide on the astral plane and then eventually will kind

579
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: of meet up with the whole soul family. A soul

580
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: family is just a bunch of souls who came into

581
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: the world at the same time as you, and you

582
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: will connect with each other all the way through your lives.

583
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: You know. It's a soul mates and old friends, as

584
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: my spirit guides would call in and you you, it's

585
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: the great game, is what my guides call their work

586
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: on the other side to me sure that we all

587
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: meet each other, and we can't read, you know, the

588
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: right person. We don't always listened to the nudges and

589
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: so on, but if we are paying attention. They will

590
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: help us to recognize a soul mate or something when

591
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: they come along and push us to make the connections.

592
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: The older the soul gets, the more it wants to

593
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: share the experience with those souls stone before, because it

594
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: is that the experience when you meet someone and you

595
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: look into each other's eyes and you're like, I know you,

596
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: like we've known each other. You feel familiar to me?

597
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: Are they a part of your soul family? That's a

598
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: big sign, Okay, absolutely that the sense of familiarity. I

599
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: had this once in a restaurant in London. I've lived

600
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: in London for fifteen years and there was a bunch

601
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: of us at a table and a restaurant and things,

602
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: about twenty people there and I knew some of them

603
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: that you know, a lot I didn't. And there was

604
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: one woman there. I'm going, so where do I know

605
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: we're from? You really familiar and they've got into this.

606
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: It was driving me nuts because it turned there was

607
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: no way that I could have met her before, but

608
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, it's like such a

609
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: feeling where where is it? You know this is before

610
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: I did this work, and you know, i'd understand where

611
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: it came from, but it was massively frustrating. It's like, like, God,

612
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: I know you, I know you, but yeah, but it

613
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense you right, that's so fascinating. Yeah, you

614
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: know the I've often said that I think that we

615
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: would value our relationships much more if we knew how

616
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: much work went into getting us to meet each other.

617
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: The other thing, though, I think, is that we would

618
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: be more careful about getting involved with those who are

619
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: not We don't feel like action because you know, and

620
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: especially with romantic relationships like that, we wouldn't if we

621
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: didn't feel aligned with that person, we wouldn't even walk forward. Yeah. Yeah,

622
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: it has been a huge epiphany to me. You know,

623
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot that's come up, I guess in the

624
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: last couple of years of just maybe this is my

625
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: soul's learning period of evolution with this stuff, but even

626
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: just the mirroring that comes up in relationships like what

627
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: you were talking about when we're in the astral plane

628
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: deciding who our family's going to be. And I think

629
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: I used to always feel like in life when bad

630
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: things were happening, like it felt like a punishment in

631
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: some capacity, And now my understanding is more it's triggering

632
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: something like you said, to come up so that it

633
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: can be healed, probably from a past life or sometimes

634
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: it's been in the same lifetime for me that I

635
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: don't really know. It's like still sitting there. But that's

636
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: what all these relationships are for. And we're not doing

637
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: it to cause ourselves pain. But we're on this constant

638
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: journey for our soul to evolve, like it's for our

639
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: own evolution and it's for our highest good ultimately. I mean,

640
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: you're spaught on with that. The The problem is that

641
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: we often we repeat things. I mean, I'll tell somebody

642
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: about past life sometimes and they'll say, wait a minute,

643
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: are we talking about this life? Yeah, last one, because

644
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: we'll often if we don't learn, if we don't draw

645
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: the right connections from an experience, we will the soul

646
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: then say, Okay, we didn't get it there, so we'll

647
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: do this again. One thing the spur guys say, and

648
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: I think it's it's so wise, as they'll say that

649
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: the experience is not the lesson. The lesson is what

650
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: you draw from the experience. And there's always a positive

651
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: lesson from any experience, no matter how awful the experience itself.

652
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: And when I started to see life like that, it

653
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: was like like an epiphany. It's like, all right, okay,

654
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: that that totally makes sense, because this is where you

655
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: get patterns. You know. My my pattern, for example, in

656
00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: this life was getting involved with narcissistic partners. I have

657
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: that same pattern, yeah, almost always with an alcohol or

658
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: substance to these problem as well. So there's some karma

659
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: there because I had been an opium addict in the

660
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: past life and radically affected my family, So there's some

661
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: balancing there, but there's also just these patterns who begin

662
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: into if you know, the goal is to break the pattern,

663
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: so for the fears and so on to be brought

664
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: up and then you can work through it. You know. Unfortunately,

665
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: what I was doing for the longest time was because

666
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: it's all sort of really well, it's before and then

667
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: during period of when I was doing this work that

668
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: I'd already embarked on that relationship. If I'd known this

669
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: stuff before, I'd been much more kind of cautious, and

670
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: I'd also have really worked on things like becoming more

671
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: self empowered, um overcoming the dependency to be very codependent,

672
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: which is all just a past life issue. It doesn't

673
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: mean you have to work through it. Doing past life

674
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: works lots of other ways. But um, I went into

675
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: the same pattern with you know, I mean started with

676
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: my my dad. It went through you know, different relationships,

677
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: and it felt like I had a target on my back.

678
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't just romantic relationships, so it happened to people

679
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: I worked with and so on. I was a target

680
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: for bullies and I felt ashamed of it, you know,

681
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: like something wrong with me? And you know, God, why

682
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: is that? What was happening to me? And what I

683
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: wasn't doing was taking taking any lesson away from the experiences,

684
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: and I was just getting into the same thing each time.

685
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: It was like, oh here we go again. You know,

686
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: I'm a whipping boy for somebody else's shoes. You know.

687
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: It's like you know, it's like you it's when you

688
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: have this fear of inferiorities, which comes from being like

689
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: downtrodden in a past life, you know, often a mistreated

690
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: servant or something like that. Well, you're going to have

691
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: real issues around self worth in this life, and that

692
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: can really it can cause you to do a number

693
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: of things. Settling in a relationship is probably number one.

694
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: Instead of what you should be doing is saying, hey,

695
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: I deserve to be treated respectfully and kindly. You know,

696
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: now having done all this work over the you know,

697
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: last couple of decades, if somebody treated me like you know,

698
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: like I've been bullied in the past, I would just

699
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: I would just go take a high get out if

700
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 1: you put up with this bullshit. But I hadn't learned

701
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: to do that, and I just that's what happens, whether

702
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: it's between lives or multiple times in this life. I mean,

703
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: you're very rarely you know. I mean, when I'm working

704
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: with clients and I see that narcissism, you know that

705
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: they're drawing narcissists, and um, it's never just one, you know,

706
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: it's multiple times, whether it's apparent husband, whatever, I mean,

707
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: like it's all friends. Yeah, yeah, And you can you

708
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: can really take the target off your back by m

709
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: learning boundaries, for example, the fear of inferior ority, when

710
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: when you're working through that, you have you have tendency

711
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: to have no boundaries, and especially if you're if you

712
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: grow up in a family where there are no boundaries

713
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: as well, you wouldn't need a lot of people I

714
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: work with or like me. It wouldn't even know what

715
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: a boundary was, right. But once you once you do that,

716
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: the bullies will leave you alone. Once you overcome the

717
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: fears and and um, develop boundaries, they're not gonna they're

718
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: not gonna tussle with you. Um they're like no. Artists

719
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: are like sharks. They smell the blood in the water

720
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: or the weak one in the pack or whatever. I mean.

721
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: They're cowards and so you know, they they don't go

722
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: after somebody's going to kick their butt, they go off

723
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: or somebody they can bully and take an advantage of.

724
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: So learning to really stand up for yourself and so on,

725
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: these can be very important lessons if you, for example,

726
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: being an if you've been enslaved or in prisoned or

727
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: something in a past life, you can have a huge

728
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: fear around powerlessness and that can put you in a

729
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: passive mode. And there's lots of things that will come

730
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: from past lives. One is a lot of a lot

731
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: of people who had where they've experienced deaths particularly or

732
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: injury in a past life through being around angry people.

733
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: And this can be on a battlefield or somewhere where

734
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of rage, or in a household where

735
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: there's domestic violence or something. They'll come into this life

736
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: with a tendency to go into a passive place if

737
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: somebody raises a voice, because the soul makes a connection.

738
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: I put this in my last book. It's an equation

739
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: that anger equals rage equals violence and possible leaven death.

740
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 1: So this is where so often, um, you can find

741
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: yourself like you know, somebody is raising the voice, or

742
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: even as a threat of the raised voice, and you

743
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: go into that passive place because you're going, oh my god,

744
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: this could deep down soul, could this could or the

745
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: fear is talent soul anyway that this could go horribly,

746
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: You could get dangerous, So you become a placator, people pleaser. Right,

747
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: Let's let's just you know, calm everything down, you know,

748
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: and an avoiding confrontation for that reason. So you know,

749
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: I always think the fast track is to work through

750
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: the past life, find what caused you to to to

751
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: react that way, um, and get rid of that, and

752
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: then the soul no longer uses that for reference, and

753
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: then you can really you know, build that self empowerment.

754
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: That makes total sense to me. You told me that

755
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: in a past life I was kidnapped, and it made

756
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: so much sense why I came in in this family

757
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: that I did, in this lifetime, and it has given

758
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: me this ability now to kind of connect the dots

759
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: on some things. And then it's like this release because

760
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: none of the things that are coming in, or even

761
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: the relationships that I'm drawing in that have been painful,

762
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: they don't feel painful anymore. In some way, it's almost like, oh,

763
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: that was here for this, and like look where it

764
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: shifted me now. And even like I'm dating currently in

765
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: dating right now, it's like the people coming in, I

766
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: can see the experience that it's giving me in using

767
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: boundaries like you said, or in like why I would

768
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: have brought them into my life or if they need

769
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: to leave immediately. It's just very interesting once you kind

770
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: of get this stuff, how it switches your perspective of

771
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: life in general. Yeah, immediately you can really get into

772
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: a sort of zero tolerance place about any kind of

773
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: you know, b s or mistreat right or whatever, and

774
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: so um. You know this this thing that Maya Angelus

775
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: said about when people show you who they are believes in.

776
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: So many souls, especially if there's some sort of self

777
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: worth issue, So many old souls will they'll There's a

778
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: couple of things play into it. One is that you're

779
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: seeing the kind of beauty of the soul beneath the

780
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: surface very often and missing some of the signs, the

781
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: warning signs completely. Yes. Yeah. My motto almost was like,

782
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: well all she needs is love, a good man and

783
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: danger danger, you know, yeah, so we can we can

784
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: overlook things. Yeah, you know. I mean somebody I was

785
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: working with who when I told her about that, and

786
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: she was I said, I let you so all the

787
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: signs you know, when you met the guy in five

788
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: years before and then they now even divorced, And she said, oh, yeah,

789
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: you know they're all there. Yeah, it was right there.

790
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: First date, she sayeh, we met for an hour, sank

791
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: two bottles of wine and he drank almost all there

792
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: you go, right, the fight with the waitress, you know

793
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. All right, signs were there. But

794
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: we tend to especially a lot of you know, uh,

795
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: for different reasons that can go to soul types. You know,

796
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: personality you've chosen. You can be very idealistic and kind

797
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: of see the potential or see patrick see past that.

798
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: Oh well, you know they make excuses. You know, they

799
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: must have had a bad day at the office or

800
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: you know, and and then like this woman five years

801
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: down the line, you're getting divorced and going boy, all

802
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: the signs were there, you know, the rage or anger

803
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah. Well you just mentioned the personality type,

804
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: which is something I wanted to touch on as well.

805
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: And there's ten different personality types. You talk about this

806
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: a lot in the Old Old Soul's Handbook. So we

807
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: have a type that we come to this lifetime with,

808
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: and then we have a is it a subtype or

809
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: a primary influences primary influence? Can you kind of explain

810
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: that a little bit. Yeah, so you know, our personalities

811
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: are made up of a number of these These are

812
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: sort of archetypes. They're they're based on what we've done

813
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: in previous lifetimes. And one of the things, in fact,

814
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: I even use this the chapter title in the in

815
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: the in the guidebook, is that, um, you wouldn't choose

816
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: flip flops to climb Mount Everest. You choose your personality

817
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: for the journey that your soulcies coming up. So you know,

818
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: if you're going to be a leader in some capacity, um,

819
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: then you would choose a leader in your soul types

820
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, might be your main soul type or maybe

821
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: one of the influences, and how we how we put

822
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: ourselves together. It's almost with a combination. We don't have

823
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: all ten. Some people like I only have three elements,

824
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: which is very rare to have so few. But it's

825
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: because for various reasons, if I had too much going on,

826
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: I would be so dissipated. I'd be doing this the

827
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: next thing. It's hard enough anyway, you know. I mean,

828
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: I just I've got so many things I'm fascinated by.

829
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: You know, I want to be learning this, I want

830
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: to be playing my guitar, I want to be painting,

831
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: and you know, I want to be writing a book.

832
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: And you know, so if I had too much in

833
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: my soul types, god, I'd never I'd be all over

834
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: the place. So most people I work with maybe have

835
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: four or five or even six elements. In fact, somebody

836
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: I was talking to a few days ago, I'd worked

837
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: with her before, she had seven elements that would show up.

838
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: So I actually have your notes here can I talk

839
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: about Yeah, of course it's not too personal. No, go ahead,

840
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: I talk about everything on here. Great, Well, I could

841
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: show you just how this this would show up, So

842
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: like almost everybody I talk to. Your a spiritualist soul type.

843
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: This comes from past life as a healer, healer, contemplative.

844
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: You know, you could have lifetimes in the monastery, a nunnery.

845
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: Also you could be in a physician, surgeon, acupuncturist, midwife.

846
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's anything has to do with helping people,

847
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: but with a sort of spiritual bent. If you like,

848
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: you have a primary leader influence. And this has a

849
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: lot to do with what you're doing right now. You

850
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: want to be a leader through you know, taking leadership

851
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: roles in the past. One of the things that often

852
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: goes with that is a love of the outdoors. I

853
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: don't know if you do have that, because it's a

854
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: typical thing you learn to be a leader in very

855
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: sort of outdoorsy kind of activities, so you know often

856
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: see that. But and the thing is, if it's in there,

857
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: you will it well. In fact, one thing you might

858
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: have noticed is people putting you in a position of

859
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: authority like or responsibility without even having try, because they

860
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: just know you would step up and responsibility and so um.

861
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: It gives you a little bit of extra masculine energy

862
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: in a good way. And you know, nothing wrong with it.

863
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: It's it's um. It can surprise people. I'm sure you

864
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 1: found that when yeah, a lot you know they're looking

865
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: at the feminine exterior. I can push you around, but

866
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: then you know it's going to be a part of

867
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: you that sort of stands up. That happens to me

868
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: a lot in dating. But we're the surprise part I

869
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: mean exactly. Yeah, it could definitely be underestimated. Yeah. U.

870
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: There is a sort of communication style as well with

871
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: with leaders, and also that the tendency to want to

872
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: kind of want to want solutions, you know. UM. I

873
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: also describe it to as um choosing the leader because

874
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: we touched this about being really old soul that the

875
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, you've been around the block, like the fatigue,

876
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: the old soul fatigueing, and and so I call this

877
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 1: biograph for the soul gets a little bit more drive

878
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: going that might not be there otherwise, especially as a

879
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: primary influence. Let me see what else you got there.

880
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: You've got the performer in there. This comes from lifetimes

881
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: as a singer, dancer, actor, presenter, salesperson, anything where you're

882
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: dealing with people and in the public. In your case,

883
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: this is related to one of the fears that you're

884
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: trying to get over and that fear is um, it's

885
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: one of self expression. You're really learning to speak your

886
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: truth in this life. And look at you in front

887
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: of a microphone. I mean this is like perfect. That's

888
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: why I am laughing. I know, it's just it's spot yes,

889
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: because what a great way to learn to overcome the fears.

890
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sure you had some trepidation first. No,

891
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it, right, I said, no, Actually,

892
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: I'd look at you now, there we go. Yeah, I didn't.

893
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: I didn't talk in public for thirty years. I wouldn't

894
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: do it. I've run out so many rooms, I mean

895
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: huge fore you of public speaking, which is it goes

896
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: back to judgment and execution in the past life, and

897
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: so the soul goes, oh my god, we're in the spotlight.

898
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're going to die. And you know

899
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: that's how I literally used to feel in front of

900
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: an audience. And you know, I mean literally thirty years,

901
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: I just didn't. I couldn't talk in front of more

902
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: than like two or three people at a time. Yeah, easy,

903
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: I'd have a fuel one panic attack. You know about that.

904
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: Now I get on interviews on stage. I joke that

905
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: I'm making up for lost time right now. I even

906
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: been on Ellen de Generous, oh bright, all the big platform.

907
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: I could not have done that. Yeah, I would have

908
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: done it before before working through the past. Life fear

909
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: or fears, multiple fears. Actually it happened when I was

910
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: working on my first book and the spirit GUIDs said,

911
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, I started praying for failure, like, oh my god,

912
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: I hope this book doesn't sell or I have to

913
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, give interviews and go on the radio or something,

914
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, starting to have a panic

915
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: attack just thinking about it. And the spirit GUIDs went up,

916
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: for goodness sake, sit down, we need to talk. You

917
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: literally said that, sit down, my son, we need to talk.

918
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: And UK, let's you know, we need to work on

919
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: these fears because you can't be you know, putting a

920
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: book out and then not wanting to sell it, you know,

921
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: and still a lot of people they write a book

922
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: and then they spent two years writing the book and

923
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: two minutes promoting it because parts so you know, can

924
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: be so uncomfortable. Let me see what else is in

925
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: your soul types here, so you have the creator, very

926
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: sensitive part of you. This comes from lives as an

927
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: artist and the when you have the performer and creator together,

928
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: almost always it creates. It's a love of dance, yoga

929
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: or elegant movement. Um, you dance or do you like it?

930
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: I did for a really fourteen years when I was younger,

931
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: and I still do yoga. So yeah, it doesn't have

932
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: to be dancing formally or anything. People will say, well,

933
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: I don't do it for a living, you know, right

934
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: in the kitchen, you know, or whatever. Totally, there's something

935
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: about the with this combination that the movement helps to

936
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: integrate mind, body, and spirit in fact, with the with

937
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: the with a strong leader in you. Um. One of

938
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 1: the things that can really help if you ever feel

939
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: a bit of a malaise is get on a treadmill

940
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: or you know, like a brisk walk or yeah, get

941
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: to general or something. Um. Again, you can integrate mind,

942
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: body and spirit through that. It's not just the endorphins

943
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: kicking and it's it's it's a sort of deeper spiritual thing.

944
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: And let me just go to what else? Oh yeah,

945
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: here's uh, I was gonna say, here's what it gets interesting.

946
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: Do you have the thinker, very rational parts of you?

947
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: M this just comes from life sys an academic explorer.

948
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: It gets your curiosity. You know, you're probably read a lot,

949
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 1: change doing a lot. And the last element that's interesting

950
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: because of you having that very masculine leader in you.

951
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: It's super softened by having a caregiver influence and a

952
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: caregiver you develop through lifetimes. It can be taken care

953
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 1: of children, the mentally ill, sick and dying animals as well.

954
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: Do you have good animal karma? I do. I don't

955
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: have any pets, but the second I'll walk into anyone's

956
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: house with a pet, it just gravitates towards me and

957
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: will not leave my side every time those amongst us,

958
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: Is that what it is? My friends laugh about it. Yeah,

959
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: They're like, uh, there he goes. It's just like, yeah,

960
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: an attachment. I had an experienced one where a cat

961
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: in a remote gallery and somewhere in the wilds of California,

962
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: slow art gallery and really a remote area. M I

963
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: walked in there and there was a cat followed me

964
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: in and then I just picked her up and I

965
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: draped her across the back of my neck, which I

966
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: used to do with cat that I had as a kid.

967
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: And I'm just going around looking at paintings some people.

968
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 1: I noticed people a door sort of pointing and whispering,

969
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: and and then you know, ten minutes later or something,

970
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: I get over to the door and a cat just

971
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: leaps off and runs away, and everyone's going, that cat's

972
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: fairal it's never come near anybody dark doctor Doolittle, you know, right, whisperer.

973
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: But but you know, we developed the communication through empathy.

974
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: One of the reasons you'll see caregivers taking care of

975
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 1: children and maybe that's sick and the dying is because

976
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: there's an ability to communicate with those who are less

977
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: verbal might be and you know, to really the empathy

978
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:11,439
Speaker 1: allows you to detect um kind of nonverbal signals as well.

979
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: But it's really how you you again, open your heart,

980
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: and which is the you know, saying about the goal

981
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: being to really learn compassion and love and an empathy.

982
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: These are yeah, that's our souls purpose, right, It's just

983
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: to keep learning empathy and love. It's funny because that's

984
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: what I test on. I think it's interesting to know

985
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: that I'm an old soul because if I take any

986
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: sort of personality test, my highest thing that I test

987
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: for is empathy. It's just like this thing and it's

988
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: not something in this lifetime I've ever had to work for.

989
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: It's just how I operate. So obviously my soul is

990
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: really wanting to tap into that in this lifetime. Um,

991
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: but I think it's interesting. I was going to ask you,

992
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: what would you say in summary? Is like what why

993
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: would people need to know this or want to know this?

994
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: Like what are the benefits of knowing your soul type

995
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: or even your soul level? Well, I think the more

996
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: you understand about yourself from a spiritual point of view,

997
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: the more you could live. You know, the subtitle my

998
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: first book, Live the Life your Soul intended. You know,

999
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: for me doing this work, one of the most important

1000
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: things was self acceptance because you know, I'm as super empathic,

1001
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: gentle soul and create your type. I'm very, very creative.

1002
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: I mean everything I do is sort of creative, and

1003
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: I have a lot of empathy. But it was these

1004
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: are not qualities, you know, growing up in the northeast

1005
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: of Scotland, you know that were necessarily regarded as admirable,

1006
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, right tough going through school, you know, being

1007
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: that sort of sensitive EmPATH and you know, for years

1008
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: I covered it up as well, pretend that I was

1009
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: a tougher didn't do a really great job of it,

1010
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: you know. But but you know, I was raised really

1011
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: to be ashamed of being so sensitive. And it was

1012
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: like a lot of people will get with, you know,

1013
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: instead of people saying, you know, you're highly sensitive and

1014
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: that's wonderful. It's of course it allows me to be

1015
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: a psychic and an artist and so on and the musician,

1016
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: but it was so seen as you're too sensitive and

1017
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: like it's a fault. And I found understanding this work

1018
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: and how I was put together it helped me to

1019
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: understand my path as well. And I always had a

1020
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: fairly good sense of what it is at any point

1021
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: where it's meant to be doing some always some sense

1022
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: of direction. But there are always people trying to push

1023
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: me in other ways. No matter where I was in

1024
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: my life, there was always somebody trying to, you know,

1025
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: discourage me or tell me to to you know, crazy,

1026
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: or you want to be a psychic or night you know,

1027
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I told my a partner that,

1028
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: I mean, the first time it happened was telling a

1029
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: partner that I gave up a job as an art

1030
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: director and an ad agency to become a freelance illustrator,

1031
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: and for her it was like shocking for somebody. She

1032
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: was huge past, like years around around loss and so on.

1033
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: So she saw it as being almost like how could

1034
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: I throw everything away and take a chance like this.

1035
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: She was so security conscious and extremely discouraging about this path,

1036
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: whereas I saw it as being safer, you know, rather

1037
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: than having one job that is interesting, eggs in different baskets,

1038
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and then you know, I gave up

1039
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: being an I was a freelance illustrator, a cartoon illustrator

1040
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: for twenty years, gave that up to become a psychic.

1041
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: And it was like, you know, my partner at the

1042
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: time was super angry about the yeah thing, you know,

1043
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: So it was always you know, but I always had

1044
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: that sort of sense of you know, yeah, this is

1045
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: what I meant to be doing, a sense of my destiny,

1046
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: I guess, but understanding it from the spiritual point to view,

1047
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: it gave me such confidence about what I do. It's like,

1048
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, this is how I am. And you know,

1049
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: these traits that maybe I've told where we're not particularly

1050
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: great or felt like a curse, are actually wonderful, and

1051
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, they make me, me, and you know, and

1052
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: I may be proud to be the person that I

1053
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: am instead of kind of ashamed of it and yeah,

1054
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: almost almost worried people are going to see through me

1055
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: or something, you know, some kind of fatal flaw in

1056
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: me or whatever. So for for the self acceptance point

1057
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: of view, that was a really big one for me,

1058
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: and I'd encourage anyone to do it because it can

1059
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: help you if you're unclear about the work that you do.

1060
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: One of the things I love about this work is

1061
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:56,959
Speaker 1: that I did one of these personality quizzes round about

1062
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: this time that I started doing this work, and I

1063
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: old out the questionnaire and it said, okay, excellent, you

1064
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: should be an artist and I'm going, who spot on? Well,

1065
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: they said, or a bank teller. Enough. Think, what I

1066
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: like about this work is that it doesn't it's it's

1067
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: not about saying, oh, this is a particular career that

1068
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: you should do, but it's more like saying, you know,

1069
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: here are the qualities that you're bringing of what would

1070
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: be a suitable occupation for you, um, you know sort of.

1071
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: I mean if I go to your soul types as well,

1072
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: put you know, more broadly looking at it, the spiritualist

1073
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: and you wants to have I mean, I'm just talking

1074
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: about career here, but the spiritual would want you to

1075
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: have UM something that really brings you meaning and that

1076
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: where people benefit from what the leader wants to have.

1077
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: You know, learn to use your authority. You know. It's

1078
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: like your show, UM, the performer wants to UM kind

1079
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: of entertain in a way, you know, and not a

1080
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: sort of goofy way, but you know, to get points

1081
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: across the creature and you needs a lot of autonomy.

1082
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: This is something I'm sure you know this about yourself.

1083
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: But with this kind of combination that you have, you

1084
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: cannot be micromanaged. I always say to somebody like that

1085
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: that would be the worst thing to It's terrible. I

1086
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: lose all ability to function. It's like it goes away.

1087
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: I can't do any Like if someone starts to kind

1088
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: of micromanage me, I forget all my skills in general,

1089
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: and I like can't see clearly and he's happening on

1090
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: a soul level. What happens is that it starts with

1091
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: a thinker, the rational part, and it goes, well, it's

1092
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: nothing for me to do here because I'm being told

1093
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: what to do and then it takes everything else like

1094
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: a cascade sort of thing, and everything shuts down. That's

1095
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: then you'll find you find yourself unable to properly function. Yeah,

1096
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: it's like I never knew how to do it in

1097
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: the first place. It's crazy, I know, isn't it. Yes,

1098
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: I mean it makes no sense unless you see it

1099
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: from that spiritual Yeah. But but yeah, like I say,

1100
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: it's a cascade, each part will follow it. It's always

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01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: a thinker first of all. It just goes, well, what's

1102
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: my what am I doing? Here? Is nothing? You know?

1103
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: And then of course you know you need a lot

1104
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: of freedom and autonomy with the creator in you. Let

1105
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: me just go back to your soul types and yeah,

1106
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: and the thinker this is an interesting thing. Thinker, and

1107
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: you wants to grow with everything that you do so

1108
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: that you're not just helping other people to be you know,

1109
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: illuminated and inspired and educated, but you're growing, you're learning

1110
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: as well. And then the caregiver, this is very very simple.

1111
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: Caregiver just always wants to feel like everything's coming from

1112
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: a place of love, just sense of you know, compassion

1113
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: and empathy. I could cry, it's so spot one, it's crazy.

1114
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean if you guys are listening, I mean, and

1115
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: also listeners know me pretty well because I'm pretty transparent

1116
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: and so I feel like they would probably be listening thinking, yeah,

1117
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: that's it, like it just it does so describe me.

1118
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: And there's something that when you say these parts of

1119
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: or you do these parts of the reading, that it

1120
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: just gives you a sense of calm, like maybe that's

1121
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: your soul going see okay, here we are, Like it's

1122
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: just registering in some way, and it does it helps me.

1123
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: It gives you, sorry to jump in there, but a

1124
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: strong sense of validation. Yes, when you have the leader

1125
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: in your soul time so you know that you choose

1126
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: that's really to get things done in this life. Um.

1127
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: You know, to the fear of the soul would have

1128
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: is that that you get to the end of this

1129
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: life and you haven't taken the opportunities or you know,

1130
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: you just kind of half lived, you know, you didn't

1131
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: really go for it. So choosing the leader, it's going

1132
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: to give you that a little bit more um drive,

1133
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: which is um you know, it's all about making sure

1134
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: that you you accomplish things and you achieve things in

1135
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: this life. And especially one thing I didn't talk about

1136
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: is you're in the last life at level nine and

1137
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: this is all you I'm so tired. I have a

1138
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,919
Speaker 1: whole other level. Well, you know, but you could blow

1139
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: through that a couple of lifetimes. Okay, you don't have

1140
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: It can be pretty quick, but it depends on what

1141
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: happens right now. But it will feel like a busy life.

1142
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: It'll feel like you've got a lot of things going on.

1143
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: You're learning and growing and so on. And yeah, I

1144
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: mean you'll have periods maybe possibly later on in life

1145
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: where you know, it's not quite so intense, but for now,

1146
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: it should feel like you're just like there's a lot

1147
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: going on. Saul wants it to be. Um. Could even

1148
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a fear of boredom uh

1149
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: in there, especially with cut and Thinker, you know. Um,

1150
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: I mean I could talk about this all day because

1151
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: it's a little different. Yeah, played together, you often see

1152
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: what the thinker and created together's on an ability to

1153
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: right because you've got the intellect and the creativity together. Yeah.

1154
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: Well you could go through your soul types and even

1155
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: look at it applying to you know, whether it's writing

1156
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: or other activities that you do. Yeah, yeah, if listeners are.

1157
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: I know there's a quiz on your website that if

1158
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: someone is listening and they want to know their soul

1159
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: type or is it soul levels, that you can go yeah,

1160
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: soul type QUI Soul type quiz on your website, Ansley

1161
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: McCloud dot com. And I will link this obviously in

1162
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: the description the podcast. But you have three books, The Instruction,

1163
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: the Old Souls Guidebook, and The Transformation. So if someone's

1164
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: listening and they're interested in this work, where would you

1165
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: suggest they start. I'd actually suggest you start with the

1166
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: most recent book, which is the Old Souls Guidebook, because

1167
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: it's a little bit more of an overview. I think

1168
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: the Instruction is good. It's like if you want to

1169
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: get dive in a little bit deeper. It's more of

1170
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: a system and you know which it really helps you

1171
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: put it all together. And there's one hundred elements, you know,

1172
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: plus lots of other nuances there, but it can you

1173
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: can really sort of put yourself together and see how

1174
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: each part is um because you know, beyond soul types

1175
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: with solely each way of missions, with challenges, investigations, talents,

1176
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: powers passed and so on. So there's a lot a

1177
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: lot of little pieces there. So if you're interested in

1178
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: diving in more than the instruction would be good for you.

1179
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 1: But I think the Old Souls Guide but it would

1180
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: be good, good place to start. And we didn't even

1181
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: touch on this, but in that Old Souls guide book

1182
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: you talk a lot about what's happening in our culture,

1183
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: especially politically. I thought this was fascinating that it was

1184
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: very easy to see once you start understanding soul levels,

1185
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 1: it was really easy to see the young souls fighting

1186
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 1: the old souls. And you kind of mentioned it earlier,

1187
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: about the woke word or whatever, and for some reason,

1188
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: understanding that it kind of allows me this, like I

1189
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: don't feel like getting angry about it anymore. It's it's

1190
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: almost like, oh, okay, well there's this those young souls

1191
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: just needing the fight or whatever it is. That we're

1192
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: not meant to be passive about it. I mean, that's

1193
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, sold souls. We are supposed to guide the

1194
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: younger souls. You look at the um you know, part

1195
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: me for signing judgmental, but you look at the clowns

1196
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: in Congress, you know, like particularly I'm talking about Republican Party,

1197
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: which is, you know, the younger souls and I mean

1198
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: particularly become almost like a cartoony version of um, you know,

1199
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: young soul. You know, lack of experience if you like,

1200
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 1: I mean all this, you know, the beating up on

1201
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: trans people for example, it's all fear based. But also

1202
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of tribal, you know, it helps them

1203
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: they need a common enemy. Um that. You know, old

1204
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: souls don't need that sort of shit. And doesn't mean

1205
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: to say that, you know, everyone on the on the

1206
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: left is an old soul and much more likely I mean,

1207
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, I see old soul and young soul and

1208
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,440
Speaker 1: left and right. Politically, you know, you know, very very connected,

1209
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: you know, I mean politically, you know, just in the States,

1210
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: you know, here you've got like really old sours like

1211
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders would be a really good example, one of

1212
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: the oldest souls in in that area. And but you've got,

1213
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, the some of the super young souls on

1214
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: the other side, and they do act like children. If

1215
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,560
Speaker 1: you look at the state of the Union and you

1216
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: know you've got oh my gosh, right, you know, someone

1217
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 1: standing up and yelling, ring, and um, you know, they're

1218
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: just like adolescents acting out. You know, so when you

1219
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: start to see it that way. It's it, you know,

1220
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 1: because I was always wondering when I was younger, why

1221
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: the hell is it can't be a lack of education

1222
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: because they do have schools, you know, like to go to.

1223
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: I mean, um, you know some well these people can

1224
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: be highly educated, but they can still be you know

1225
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: big it's and so ignorant. And in other ways it's

1226
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: all down to the age of the soul. That really

1227
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: what's you know, the younger the soul, they tend to

1228
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: be more conservative because they are more afraid conservative conservatism

1229
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: keeps them safe. They want things black and white. Um,

1230
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 1: all their souls is much more shades of gray and

1231
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: accompanable with that, and and you know, usually more concerned

1232
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 1: for what's happening to other people, even if it's not

1233
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: your experience. Um, you know, doing the doing the right thing,

1234
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: standing up for trans people. I've a trans son, so

1235
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: I feel very strongly about that. And when I see

1236
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: this bullying that's going on and all these bills that

1237
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: are pushing through to basically make trans children's life harder

1238
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: than they are m it's appalling. It's an interesting thing

1239
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: that none of it's based on reality or logic, because

1240
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: there there's enough studies out there that will show that

1241
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: you that, for example, that US very high suicide rate

1242
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: amongst trans people. And you know, and the one thing

1243
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 1: that that seems to be that makes the big biggest

1244
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: difference is acceptance in particularly from family as well. So

1245
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: when you're sort of you know, marginalizing people like that

1246
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: and and victimizing them, the human cost can be absolutely enormous.

1247
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: And but the younger soul tends to work from as

1248
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: much more from a place of fear, like I was saying,

1249
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: and a fear of the other and those that don't understand,

1250
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: and with more coming actually items from place of sentiment,

1251
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 1: I got feeling that it's a bad thing rather than

1252
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I'm sure a lot of the

1253
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: people creating bills to make life harder for trans people

1254
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: have never met a trans person. They don't see the

1255
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: humanity in them against sort of lack of experience an empathy. Yeah,

1256
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: because your empathy grows as you could become an older soul,

1257
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: right because part in part because whoever you look at

1258
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 1: you being there yourself, but it's the homeless guy in

1259
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 1: the street corner or whatever your soul goes, you know,

1260
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: the heart goes out because your soul reminds you that, yeah,

1261
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 1: you were once. You know what that feels like. Higher

1262
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: level of acceptance is a sign of being an older soul.

1263
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: That makes complete sense. Yeah. I when I read that,

1264
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh it just yeah, it was a

1265
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:43,839
Speaker 1: naha moment. If I'm going to quote Oprah but Ainsley,

1266
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Speaker 1: I know we have you got another point, just one

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Speaker 1: more thing. I just what do you have? Like? Sometimes

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Speaker 1: people get pissed off of me. I get a little

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Speaker 1: bit hate meal about being political. They think, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're you're supposed to be like you know in this area. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, and you know, I even put in the book,

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Speaker 1: you know that when you ask people, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've had literally I've had people say to me, stay

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Speaker 1: out of politics. Yeah it's ridiculous. Well you know, uh

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Speaker 1: some people thinking of course of being Scottish that I

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Speaker 1: live in Scotland before, are you so interested in American politics?

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Speaker 1: Stay out of it? You know? And you know, and

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Speaker 1: I put in the book that if you think of um,

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Speaker 1: ask anybody named three great spiritual leaders will usually give

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Speaker 1: the same answers. They'll say Martin, Luther, King, Gandy and

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Speaker 1: Jesus and what do those three have in common? Well,

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Speaker 1: it was not that they were passive and disinterested in

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Speaker 1: what was happening politically. You know, they were you know

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Speaker 1: as kicking forces of nature and and you know, trying

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Speaker 1: to change the system which they perceived as being unfair.

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Speaker 1: So you know when people say, you know somehow, oh,

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Speaker 1: they'll say to me, well, I'm I'm spiritual. Not I

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Speaker 1: don't watch the news, so I'm not political. You know. Um,

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Speaker 1: I started saying, you know, well, for every every person

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Speaker 1: who says I'm spiritual, um, I'm not political, there's a

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Speaker 1: ten year old in Texas, um about to give birth

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Speaker 1: to her stepfather's baby. You know, there's there are huge issues.

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people. It's like it's you know,

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Speaker 1: if they if they lack that empathy, they're going, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'll vote for this party because you know,

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Speaker 1: my four O ONEK is doing great, you know, and

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Speaker 1: my investments are up or whatever. But you know, there

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Speaker 1: are people being horribly mistreated, and you know we should

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Speaker 1: be involved, we should be aware of what's going on

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Speaker 1: and uh and and be involved politically. You know that

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Speaker 1: spiritual spirituality and politics are inseparable. Yeah, I had never

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Speaker 1: thought of it that way. Makes sense, then, sorry, thank

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Speaker 1: you for letting me have course. Well again, I am

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Speaker 1: such an incredible I was so excited when you agreed

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Speaker 1: to do this. It was just such an honor for

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Speaker 1: me to get to talk to you. And I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you being here. I loved my reading. Oh, thank

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Speaker 1: you and the reading we have. I've read over my

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Speaker 1: notes today and I was like, this is it helps

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Speaker 1: me get back on my path and so you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: know that about your work, And thank you for doing

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Speaker 1: what you do and sharing it with us. You guys

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Speaker 1: want to go check out the books, of course. I

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Speaker 1: will put all three links in the description of this podcast,

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Speaker 1: along as everywhere else you can find Ansley. Ansley, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, Thank you so much. That's been great

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Speaker 1: talking with you you too. Thank you guys for listening.