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Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and get to some of

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Speaker 2: the liberal democratic reaction to Trump's Gaza ethic cleansing plan, so,

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Speaker 2: you know, a part for the course, rather than saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, gee, uh, it would have been good if

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Speaker 2: Democrats could have beat this guy, because this is all

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Speaker 2: really going terribly and maybe if they hadn't been so

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Speaker 2: committed to their own genocidal plans with regard to Gaza,

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Speaker 2: maybe they could have eked down a win. Since it

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Speaker 2: was really, you know, really quite close. You have a

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Speaker 2: number of significant liberal accounts who have decided that the

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Speaker 2: real fault was the people who either stayed home and

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Speaker 2: didn't vote, or who you know, actively voted for Trump

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Speaker 2: because they were so horrified by the genocide that was

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Speaker 2: being perpetrated by the Biden administration. So let's go ahead

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Speaker 2: and put the first one up on the screen. Here,

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Speaker 2: we can do speed run through these. These are Samone Sanders.

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Speaker 2: I think now it's very proper to reiterate that elections

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Speaker 2: have consequences. Obviously that is a job at you know,

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Speaker 2: people who were worried about the genocide.

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Speaker 4: We can go up to Harry Sisson.

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Speaker 2: Next says, I hope all of the losers who said

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Speaker 2: and posted things like this understand they played a crucial

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Speaker 2: role in helping Trump get elected. He will now have

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Speaker 2: hurt millions with that power. This was somebody who said, hey,

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Speaker 2: Kamala Gaza is speaking now, bitch. Next up we have

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Speaker 2: Adam Gentilsen, who said, in two thousand, the left said

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Speaker 2: there was no difference between Gore and Bush, so vote nator.

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Speaker 2: Then Bush ared a war of choice in Iraq, and

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four the left said there was no difference

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Speaker 2: between Harrison Trump, so vote uncommitted. Now we have Trump

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Speaker 2: proposing that the US take over Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Gentlesen, by the way, you can check FEC records. He's

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Speaker 1: still a consultant for John Fetterman. He's a former chief

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Speaker 1: of staff to Fetterman. People knew that, but like, go

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Speaker 2: There you go, all right, and next one, last one

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Speaker 2: we can put up here a genuine question, not aiming

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Speaker 2: to stunk on et cetera. But for the pro Gaza

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Speaker 2: folk who yell gemicide, Jill and killer, Kamala and abstain voted.

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Speaker 2: Jill's dinary voted for Trump. What's your reaction to Trump

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Speaker 2: saying US will own Gaza? Same thing in your eyes

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Speaker 2: know this is all very very productive. Ryan always did

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Speaker 2: a genuine question at least, Yeah, all right, genuine question.

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Speaker 1: So it's a genuine question, Like here's a genuine answer.

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Speaker 1: Can anybody point me to any moment where Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: to force us these firing Gaza, right, was there any

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Speaker 1: moment where Kamala Harris told voters that she would be

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Speaker 1: genuine question. Back to this genuine question, can anybody find

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Speaker 1: me an example of either of those? Because I can

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Speaker 1: find you many, many examples of Harris saying the opposite,

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Speaker 1: that she would continue the Biden approach to arming Israel

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Speaker 4: You know, like prosecutor transnational gangs.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so tell me, like what is the and bringing

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Speaker 1: to make the case that the war would not still

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Speaker 1: We'd have a ceasefire in Gaza if Kamala Harris were president, Like,

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Speaker 4: Endorsed her anyway, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And you know they like the ask to have a

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Speaker 2: That's how low the bar was in terms of her

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Speaker 1: And putting a Palistinian American on the stage at the

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Speaker 1: why she said no to it, because she was not

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Speaker 1: She's not even willing to do that. Why on earth

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Speaker 1: because otherwise, why like what are you worked up about here?

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Speaker 2: I mean they love to be like, oh you left ease,

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Speaker 4: And then that they lose like it was your vault.

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Speaker 2: You're so powerful, you know, and it's like all right, well,

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Speaker 2: which which is it?

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Speaker 4: Here?

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Speaker 2: We have a statement from one of the co chairs

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Speaker 2: This is from Leila ellabed Is Layla is She wasn't

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Speaker 2: one of them related to Rashida Tile said.

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Speaker 1: the Uncommitted organizers was.

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Speaker 2: Well okay in any case, she says, I feel sad, angry,

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Speaker 2: and scared for our communities. For months, we warned about

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Speaker 2: the dangers of Trump at home and abroad, but our

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Speaker 2: calls largely went unheard. Hairs left a vacuum by not

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Speaker 2: visiting Michigan. Families impacted by US supplied bombs to help

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Speaker 2: Dearborn and filled a community in despair with lies. Trump's

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Speaker 2: illegal calls for ethnic cleansing are horrific, But as on

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Speaker 2: so many other issues, Democrats had a chance to persuade

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Speaker 2: I think that is all very accurate in spite of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, responsibility is such an interesting word there, like who

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Speaker 6: There? Right?

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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly right?

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Speaker 2: And then lastly can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: So the group that was called Arab Americans for Trump

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Speaker 2: ultimately defeating Trump, and all of that edifice has been

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, So give people a broad contour, and

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Speaker 2: then I'll get into some of the elements. We have

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Speaker 2: some of the specifics of some of the legal most

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Speaker 2: significant legal pushback against the moves too, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: seize the Treasury and make Congress irrelevant and fire a

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Speaker 2: bunch of people who and get rid of an agency,

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Speaker 2: and all of these sorts of things.

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Speaker 8: Well, really every single one of those has some sort

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Speaker 8: of corresponding legal action that we're seeing. There was hearing

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Speaker 8: today on maybe the biggest threat, which is the accessing

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Speaker 8: of the Treasury Department's payment system at the Bureau of

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Speaker 8: the Fiscal Service. The Justice Department agreed to restrict access

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Speaker 8: to just two people, Tom Krause, who's kind of leading

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Speaker 8: this DOGE team at Treasury, and this twenty five year

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Speaker 8: old Marco Iliz, and to make sure that their access

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Speaker 8: was read only, and apparently that has happened to a degree.

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Speaker 7: There's been some limitations, particularly.

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Speaker 8: On Marco, So that was an example of an early success.

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Speaker 7: That's a temporary restraining order.

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Speaker 8: Of course, there was also two temporary restraining orders on

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Speaker 8: the payment freeze that was put together by the Office

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Speaker 8: of Management Budget and what that led to was a

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Speaker 8: rescinding of the order to pause all rants and loans.

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Speaker 8: The federal government nicks that hasn't fully kind of taken hold.

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Speaker 8: I think what we're learning is once you turn off

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Speaker 8: some of that stuff, it's hard to turn it back on.

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Speaker 8: So there's projects all over the country like head Start

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Speaker 8: that aren't getting the money that they were supposed to

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Speaker 8: be able to get. There are other lawsuits, particularly around

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Speaker 8: the firings. There's a lawsuit as we know today is

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Speaker 8: the end of this buyout offer, this kind of fake

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Speaker 8: buyout offer. Unions have sued saying that that isn't authorized

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Speaker 8: by law anywhere. And then another big one is Gwynn Wilcox,

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Speaker 8: who was a member of the National Labor Relations Board

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Speaker 8: who was fired in violation of the nlrp's own statute,

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Speaker 8: which says you can't fire a board member unless there's

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Speaker 8: malfeasance in office, dude, to try to block that firing.

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Speaker 8: There are other lawsuits about illegal firings. For example, the

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Speaker 8: USDA's inspector General who came to work saying this is

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Speaker 8: an illegal firing when you fired me and was escorted

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Speaker 8: out of the building by security.

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Speaker 7: She has also sued to get her job back.

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Speaker 8: So, you know, a really broad section of these across

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Speaker 8: the federal government, across some of the things have been done.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the buyouts for a moment. There's been

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Speaker 1: it's been reported that roughly twenty thousand people maybe it's

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Speaker 1: a few thousand more since then, have taken these buyouts.

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Speaker 1: You guys pointed out over the prospect that that's actually

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Speaker 1: under the kind of expected turnover. So, in other words,

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Speaker 1: the people that have accepted this quote unquote buyout are

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Speaker 1: people who were ready to retire anyway, and they're like, oh.

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Speaker 8: Likely the case, yeah, most, I mean it's quite a

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Speaker 8: bit under. I mean, the average will turnover within the

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Speaker 8: federal civil service is something between five and ten percent.

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Speaker 8: Twenty thousand employees would represent one percent of the federal

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Speaker 8: government's workforce. There are new numbers out today that say

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Speaker 8: that's up to about forty thousand, but that's still quite

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Speaker 8: a bit less.

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Speaker 7: So these are people who were going to.

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Speaker 8: Retire who figure, Okay, maybe i'll get several months of

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Speaker 8: severance as a result. Now whether they will get is

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Speaker 8: really very much in question. We know from the experience

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Speaker 8: of Twitter that many many people sued after they were

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Speaker 8: given a buyout offer because they didn't get the money

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Speaker 8: that they claimed they were going to get. And there's

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Speaker 8: a little clause at the end of the resignation offer

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Speaker 8: that has been made by the government that essentially says

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Speaker 8: that you're not.

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Speaker 7: Allowed to sue the government over reason.

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Speaker 8: So clearly they're setting up for a situation where they

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Speaker 8: kind of pull the rug out from these people who

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Speaker 8: have accepted the buyout offer.

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Speaker 2: My understanding is there's also a question about whether this

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Speaker 2: offer itself is legal because it would again require some

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Speaker 2: expenditure of funds, and you know, there's what a budget

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Speaker 2: deadline coming up in March, and there's nothing that can

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Speaker 2: really be authorized beyond that, et cetera. So isn't there

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Speaker 2: also just a question over whether the courts may say, hey,

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Speaker 2: you can't even go forward with this. So all you

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Speaker 2: people who took this deal like you're kind of high

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Speaker 2: and dry, because this was an illegal offer to begin with.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's part of the lawsuit to enjoin this

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Speaker 8: offer because, as you say, on March fourteenth, federal government

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Speaker 8: appropriations run out. So you can't make a promise to

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Speaker 8: the federal workforce that we're going to keep paying you

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Speaker 8: until September thirtieth if they only have authorization to pay

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Speaker 8: anybody in the federal government until March fourteenth. So, yes,

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Speaker 8: that is a major part of the lawsuit that was

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Speaker 8: put together by two federal employee unions, the American Federation

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Speaker 8: Government Employees, and I believe Sciu And.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about the NLRB unpack

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Speaker 1: not just this illegal firing that's being challenged, but the

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Speaker 1: broader effort to actually deem the NLRB to be not

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Speaker 1: an agency, to be effectively unconstitutional. Where is that fight?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there are two things on, like parallel tracks going on.

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Speaker 8: So first, by firing the head of the artmor one

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Speaker 8: of the board members of the NLRB, Trump has put

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Speaker 8: this agency down to two board members. And here's why

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Speaker 8: that's important. Normally it's a five member panel. Two members

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Speaker 8: means that the NLRB does not currently have a quorum,

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Speaker 8: and under Supreme Court precedent, that means that it cannot

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Speaker 8: it cannot actually adjudicate any case right now. And the

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Speaker 8: NLRB sort of operates as an appeals court on federal

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Speaker 8: labor law.

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Speaker 7: So there are.

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Speaker 8: Regional NLRB offices that make decisions. They are administrative law

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Speaker 8: juzes that make decisions, but if anything is appealed, it

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Speaker 8: has to be answered by the NLRB. So it's like

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Speaker 8: having an appeals court or having no appeals court, but

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Speaker 8: people can still appeal. So if a company has a

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Speaker 8: union election and the union wins, and the company decides

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Speaker 8: we're going to sue because we're going to challenge this election,

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Speaker 8: it goes up to the MLRB, where it effectively stays there.

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Speaker 8: At this point, it can't there nothing else can be

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Speaker 8: done on the case. So this kind of stalls out

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Speaker 8: US labor law. Whether it's union elections or illegal firings

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Speaker 8: or other grievances, anything that gets elevated to the NLRB

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Speaker 8: level can't be done right now. And so that's the

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Speaker 8: benefit that Trump gets from this firing, which has been

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Speaker 8: challenged in court.

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Speaker 7: Separately, there's a process.

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Speaker 8: By companies like SpaceX and Amazon, familiar names the richest

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Speaker 8: people in the world who are trying to make the

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Speaker 8: NLRB unconstitutional. That's what they're arguing in court. They've been

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Speaker 8: doing this since the Biden administration. But these cases are

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Speaker 8: starting to wind their way up through the courts. They're

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Speaker 8: at the appeals court level right now, and they may

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Speaker 8: get to the Supreme Court where they would have to

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Speaker 8: decide whether or not the NLRB is unconstitutional. It's a

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Speaker 8: really kind of operatic argument, but you never know with

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Speaker 8: this court, and so at that point you would end

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Speaker 8: up having no labor law in fact rather than just

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Speaker 8: in practice as we have right now.

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Speaker 2: David, one question, one big question I have right now

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Speaker 2: is whether they're going to follow these court orders. So

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Speaker 2: they've already suffered a few losses. You mentioned one at

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Speaker 2: the top, there's an injunction against the freezing of all

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Speaker 2: the payments. We can actually put E four up on

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Speaker 2: the screen you were referencing some of this. The Trump

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Speaker 2: administration is still freezing many climate and infrastructure grants in

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Speaker 2: spite of the fact that two different federal courts have

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Speaker 2: now barred it from doing so, and maybe that's a misunderstanding,

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Speaker 2: or maybe they just maybe they just aren't listening to

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Speaker 2: the court orders. There also was an injunction against the

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Speaker 2: Birthright Citizenship Executive Order, which is just like briazenly preposterously unconstitutional.

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Speaker 2: There's an injunction against transferring transgender women into men's prisons

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 4: So you know, what indications.

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Speaker 2: Do we have about how much they're going to actually

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Speaker 2: listen or care about these various court injunctions and rulings

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Speaker 2: that ultimately go against them, Because you do have people

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Speaker 2: like JD. Vansu previously when he was just doing podcasts,

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Speaker 2: was like, yeah, we're going to be like Andrew Jackson

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Speaker 2: and say, okay, well go and force this ruling with

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Speaker 2: your army.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's obviously one of the bigger concerns that we

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Speaker 8: can possibly have, and we're not going to really know

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Speaker 8: the outcome of that until you get sort of a

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Speaker 8: final ruling. Right until we get a Supreme Court adjudication

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Speaker 8: of some of these cases is adverse to what Trump wants.

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Speaker 8: That's when we're going to find out if the river

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Speaker 8: meets the road here. What we do know right now

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Speaker 8: is that the let's start a bit with the one

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Speaker 8: that started today with the payment system. Apparently, according to

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Speaker 8: reporting from Nathan Tankas, the Treasury Department has started to

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Speaker 8: limit the access of at least one the twenty five

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Speaker 8: year old kid, Marco Aliz.

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Speaker 7: They've limited his access to the payment system.

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Speaker 8: It's more closer to read only at this point, which

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Speaker 8: complies with that order. The O NB memo was rescinded.

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Speaker 8: But as you say, there are several or other what

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Speaker 8: seemed to be illegal impoundments going on. Some of that

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Speaker 8: is because the authority or the alleged authority for some

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Speaker 8: of those impowments, like the stuff at EPA, is derived

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Speaker 8: from different sources. So there was an executive order that

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Speaker 8: said we're going to terminate the Green New Deal is

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Speaker 8: the way that it was put in the EO, and

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Speaker 8: that tries to pause all disbursements of you know, climate

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Speaker 8: related investments that were made under the Inflation Reduction Act

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Speaker 8: and under the Investment Infrastructure Investment Jobs Act. And so

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Speaker 8: even though the pause on all grants and loans has

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Speaker 8: been blocked by two federal courts, there are these other

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Speaker 8: authorities that say.

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Speaker 7: We're allowed to block foreign aid or pause foreign aid.

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Speaker 8: We're allowed to pause these EPA grants and things like that,

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Speaker 8: and those haven't really been challenged to the same degree

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Speaker 8: saying your authority in the executive order to do this

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Speaker 8: is bogus and it would represent, you know, basically stealing

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Speaker 8: the power of the purse away from Congress and deciding

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Speaker 8: that you don't have to spend money on things you

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Speaker 8: don't like.

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Speaker 7: So that battle sort of remains to be seen.

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Speaker 8: They haven't really pushed that yet, so that's I think

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Speaker 8: that's been lost a little bit. People think, oh, the

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Speaker 8: O and B memo was rescinded, and so now federal

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Speaker 8: money is flowing again, and it's not true. I mean,

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Speaker 8: there are still these illegal impoundments happening in violation of

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Speaker 8: the Constitution and violation of federal law, the Empownment Control Act,

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Speaker 8: which sets very strict limits on when a president can

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Speaker 8: delay funds that have been duly appropriated by Congress, and

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Speaker 8: it violates Supreme Court precedent as well. And eventually we're

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Speaker 8: going to get to a reckoning on that, because that's

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Speaker 8: what the Trump administration wants. They want to pick a

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Speaker 8: fight over impoundment to try to get this power for

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Speaker 8: themselves to unilaterally cancel certain.

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Speaker 7: Types of spending.

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Speaker 8: And so we're going to see that fight happen at

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Speaker 8: the court. But you know the really dangerous question that

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Speaker 8: you ask Crystal, whether after the end of that fight,

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Speaker 8: we're still going to see an administration adhere to whatever

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Speaker 8: it is.

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Speaker 7: The Supreme Court says that's still in question.

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Speaker 2: Well, David, thank you so much for your expertise and

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Speaker 2: laying all of this out. We're always really grateful for

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Speaker 2: your time, and it's great to see you.

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Speaker 7: You got it. Thanks a lot.

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Speaker 2: Excited to be joined this morning by Commerce and Rocana,

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Speaker 2: who found himself and bit of a Twitter dispute with

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Speaker 2: our new god King Elon Musk.

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Speaker 4: So great to have you, Congressman.

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Speaker 6: Great to be back on Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So okay, let me I'll.

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Speaker 2: Give people a little bit of the backstory and then

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Speaker 2: you can explain the full backstory. So political reporter put

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Speaker 2: out that you had abstained from a vote that would

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Speaker 2: have subpoenaed Elon Musk to come and test to buy

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Speaker 2: about whatever he and Doage are up to at this point.

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Speaker 4: That was not entirely accurate.

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Speaker 2: So you clarified on Twitter, and that leads to the

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Speaker 2: exchange with Elon Musk. Just give us a little bit

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Speaker 2: like what exactly happens here.

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Speaker 9: So first, let me just get to the bottom line,

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Speaker 9: which is I want Elon Musk to testify, to be transparent,

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Speaker 9: to be subpoena that what he's doing is blatantly unconstitutional.

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Speaker 9: If I was scared about that, I would not have

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Speaker 9: had on Twitter. Knowing that he follows every one of

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Speaker 9: my tweets, made that very very clear.

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Speaker 4: And we can put that up on the screen. By

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Speaker 4: the way, what you can continue.

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Speaker 9: Talking and within minutes of me put that tweet up,

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Speaker 9: he tweets back, don't be a dick. We get into

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Speaker 9: it because I said to Ilin, I said this, I've

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Speaker 9: said this privately to him, I've said it publicly. If

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Speaker 9: you want to have an exposure of waste in the government,

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Speaker 9: then the best way to do it is to have

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Speaker 9: sunlight come, do your have your findings, show him to

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Speaker 9: the Congress, and force us to cast up up and

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Speaker 9: down votes. I was I got hammered from my party

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Speaker 9: in the beginning when Musk was adulgient. I said, Okay,

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Speaker 9: if he is wasteful spending on the Department of Defense,

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Speaker 9: I'm willing to hear him ount but the yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 9: But so it's not like, so I got hammered, but

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Speaker 9: I said, when you're doing something that's fundamentally unconstitutional, you

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Speaker 9: you can't be the decider of what is wasteful spending.

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Speaker 9: And that is just a blatant violation Article one.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 9: And so you know I've I will stand up to

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Speaker 9: him if and have very very clearly.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 9: And what got noticed actually, ironically was my tweet, not

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Speaker 9: any of the committees efforts, because people know that I

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Speaker 9: have had a relationship with him for fifteen years and

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Speaker 9: I'm willing to call balls and strikes where he's wrong.

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Speaker 9: I will be the loudest is standing up for the Constitution.

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Speaker 1: How did you meet him? Do you remember your first

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Speaker 1: interaction with him. I didn't represent Silicon Valley for people

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Speaker 1: he is.

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Speaker 9: You know, he's never supported me in terms of politically

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Speaker 9: because he actually wasn't very very political. But I met him.

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Speaker 9: He blured my first book when I wrote a book

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Speaker 9: about manufacturing in the United States, and you know, someone

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Speaker 9: at Estra Wajiski who's known in the valley, introduced me

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Speaker 9: to him.

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Speaker 6: He blames the book.

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Speaker 9: And then we got into it on Tesla because he

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Speaker 9: was begging in a essue who's a neighboring Member of

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Speaker 9: Congress from Silicon Valley for a Tesla loan from the

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Speaker 9: Obama administration. I was in the Obama administration.

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Speaker 1: Your Commerce Department, in Commerce.

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Speaker 9: Department, and there are those of us saying, well, okay,

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Speaker 9: but you need labor neutrality, and we don't get labor

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Speaker 9: neutrality out of it. But I'm active on the record

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Speaker 9: in Fremont saying that Tesla should unionize, and so he knew.

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Speaker 9: We've known each other for years, but I've said Tesla

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Speaker 9: is obviously was a great company in terms of electric vehicles,

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Speaker 9: but should you noton ize it.

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Speaker 6: So I've known him for many, many years.

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Speaker 4: What do you think he wants?

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Speaker 9: You know, he's he's maniacal about when he believes in something.

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Speaker 9: I mean, this is I Those people are saying, Okay,

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Speaker 9: he's just in it for financial reasons.

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Speaker 6: That's not my read on him, though.

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Speaker 9: I think he should have financial disclosures like I do,

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Speaker 9: and there should be conflict of interest and he shouldn't

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Speaker 9: be the one deeciding.

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Speaker 6: But I think what he believes that he's out.

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Speaker 9: There in a mission to save the American people for

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Speaker 9: thirty six million dollars of deficit and it's actually a

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Speaker 9: bigger problem because when you have an ideological drive like that,

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Speaker 9: and when you're Elon Musk and you believe that you've

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Speaker 9: been right time and time again in the private sector

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Speaker 9: when other people have been wrong, he's basically thinking, okay,

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Speaker 9: kind of standing in my way, I'm doing great service

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Speaker 9: for humanity and go. You know, anyone is in my

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Speaker 9: way is going to be roadkill. And that's why it's

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Speaker 9: so important to stand up to him, and to stand

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Speaker 9: up very very clearly and say this is unconstitutional.

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Speaker 1: Having the richest man on the planet also be one

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Speaker 1: of the most powerful people in the federal government is

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Speaker 1: itself a unique situation. But he also controls ex Twitter,

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Speaker 1: which is still, despite his best efforts, is a central

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Speaker 1: organizing platform for how we understand public sentiments. And so

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Speaker 1: I'm curious if your colleagues or you think about his

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Speaker 1: power over that platform, as your colleagues think about how

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Speaker 1: hard to go after him, because he could you know,

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Speaker 1: with the flick of a switch.

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Speaker 10: I knew he would right to send you or all

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Speaker 10: of a sudden, you're getting like Q likes and one.

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Speaker 2: Follower count starts to go down, and you know, people

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Speaker 2: aren't really seeing your tweets anymore. I mean this has

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Speaker 2: happened to many people who have come after him on Twitter, right.

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Speaker 9: No, I mean, look, he in my case, my reply

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Speaker 9: to him saying don't be a dick got more views

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Speaker 9: than his actual tweets. So I mean, in my case,

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Speaker 9: so far at least, he hasn't done that type of censorship.

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Speaker 9: But I do think it's a problem more generally, which

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Speaker 9: is why we need many more platforms, which is one

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Speaker 9: of the reasons I was defending TikTok and saying that

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Speaker 9: we shouldn't ban TikTok and we shouldn't have Musk or

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Speaker 9: Meta acquire TikTok because you need alternative social media platforms.

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Speaker 9: And I think TikTok actually is a place where we've

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Speaker 9: gotten the most response frankly on standing up to Musk.

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Speaker 9: And we need more social media platform so we can

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Speaker 9: push back on Musk, etc. That's going to be important,

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Speaker 9: but on the platform. But what we really need is,

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Speaker 9: and I cruss enforcement and more platforms coming up that

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Speaker 9: we're less is can have a voice.

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Speaker 2: One of the things Ryan and I were talking about

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Speaker 2: is like Elon describes what he's doing as a revolution,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's accurate. I mean, you don't go

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Speaker 2: into the Treasury Department. And now we have new reporting

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Speaker 2: that they are changing the code that they The New

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Speaker 2: York Times says that there were emails flying around saying,

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Speaker 2: we want to use our access to the Treasury payment

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Speaker 2: system to freeze funding to USAI D. I don't have

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Speaker 2: to tell you that USAID is authorized by Congress as

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Speaker 2: an independent agency, Elon Muskin, no one else. Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: can't just single handedly say we don't like this agency,

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Speaker 2: We're getting rid of it, or we're subsuming it understate

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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. They're doing that. They've gone into

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Speaker 2: the etc. For Medicare, Medicaid into NOAH GSA. You know,

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Speaker 2: the list goes on and on, and none of this

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Speaker 2: congressionally authorized. It's obviously a constitutional crisis. They have a

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Speaker 2: broader plan to, you know, have this go to the courts.

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Speaker 2: Whether they even abide by court decisions is an open question,

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Speaker 2: I think as well, there's already indications that some of

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Speaker 2: the court injunctions are already being ignored. So while he's

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Speaker 2: doing what he describes as a revolution. You know, we

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Speaker 2: were earlier talking about like, oh, they're trying to keep

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Speaker 2: themselves free from foya. I mean, it just feels so

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Speaker 2: small ball, right, compared to the grand plan that they

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Speaker 2: are executing.

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Speaker 4: Before our eyes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So how are you groppling with that as a

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Speaker 2: member of Congress And what are the conversations like among

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Speaker 2: your colleagues about how to about the gravity of this threat, right,

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Speaker 2: and how to truly push back against it in a

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Speaker 2: way that's not just going to be sort of like

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Speaker 2: impotent or pointing to like you weren't confirmed by the

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Speaker 2: Senate and where's my foyer required?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 9: Well, you're asking what people in my district around the

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Speaker 9: country are asking, which is what the hell's the plan

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Speaker 9: and why don't we have a clear plan for the

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Speaker 9: Democratic Party to meet the moment? Because I think you

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Speaker 9: actually understand Elon really well, he've used this as revolutionary,

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Speaker 9: He've used this as there's a thirty six trillion dollar

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Speaker 9: debt and Congress has been part of the problem, and

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Speaker 9: that he's not just going to be some bureaucrat who

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Speaker 9: gives a report to Congress, because that's what he When

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Speaker 9: you say, well, why don't you just get the transparency

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Speaker 9: in the sunlight, He's like, I'm not just going to

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Speaker 9: just give some report to Congress that they're going to disregard.

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Speaker 9: And I'm going to try to stop this.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be CEO of the country, right and

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Speaker 2: rule it in the same dictatorial way that he rules Tesla, Twitter, SpaceX, etc.

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Speaker 9: And one is a company. I mean find maybe a

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Speaker 9: great company, but a company is not even a few

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Speaker 9: pages in the American story, right. This is a much

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Speaker 9: much bigger thing. This is a country that won the

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Speaker 9: Revolutionary War, that wins the Civil War, that wins World

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Speaker 9: War two, wins the Cold War. It's the greatest enterprise ever.

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Speaker 9: So you can't have one individual do it. But I

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Speaker 9: say that so we understand his psychology, and it means

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Speaker 9: a equally tough response. What is that response here? It

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Speaker 9: needs to come down first to the debt ceiling. We

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Speaker 9: need to have every House Democrat and Senate dem crat

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Speaker 9: say we will not give a single vote to the

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Speaker 9: debt ceiling increase unless Donald Trump in the beginning commits

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Speaker 9: in ironclad writing that he will spend every single dollar

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Speaker 9: that is appropriated and authorized by Congress and honor Congress

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Speaker 9: on every agency. And you know what Donald Trump's going

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Speaker 9: to fold. You know why He's going to fold because

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Speaker 9: when the stock market went down five hundred points, he's

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Speaker 9: folded to a Prime Minister Trudeau, and he folded to

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Speaker 9: President Shane Baum. And the reality is that the Democrats

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Speaker 9: need to be strong. Who's asserting the will of Congress?

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Speaker 9: Like it's not we're going to go for your request.

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Speaker 9: It's like you want to crash the economy then defy

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Speaker 9: the will of Congress.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me let me ask you a question about that,

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Speaker 2: because again, they have control of the treasury payment system.

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Speaker 2: So what is the response if they say, Okay, that's fine,

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Speaker 2: we just are going to ignore the debt ceiling and

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Speaker 2: we're going to just pay the bill. We're just going

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Speaker 2: to pay the bills that we want to pet. We

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Speaker 2: just want to pay the bills that we want to pay.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I mean, I think the debt dealing

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Speaker 2: is a ridiculous, you know, absurdity that we even have

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Speaker 2: it right, And so you could easily say Trump saying

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Speaker 2: we're just not doing that anymore, and we're going to

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Speaker 2: add treasury like pick and choose what funds go out,

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Speaker 2: as they already say they are doing and want to do.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think if they actually do that, they're going

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Speaker 9: to lose the chip Roys. I mean where chip roy

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Speaker 9: and others would come in and say impeachment or other things.

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Speaker 6: I genuinely think.

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Speaker 4: There are thirty for me to believe.

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Speaker 9: Congressman, well, I'm not talking about the average Republican, but

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Speaker 9: there are thirty people in the Republican Caucus, the Freedom

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Speaker 9: Caucus who have stood up to them. They stood up

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Speaker 9: to Elon Musk before Trump was inaugurated, and they said,

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Speaker 9: Elon said, let's blow up this deal. And they stood

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Speaker 9: up to him on that.

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Speaker 2: And I can I tell you what I'm looking at.

871
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: You know, Pete Hegseth was his confirmation was in big trouble,

872
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 2: and Jony Ernst in particular, who is herself a sexual

873
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: assault and was deeply concerned about his comments saying women

874
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: can't serve in the military, et cetera.

875
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 4: She seemed like she was a no.

876
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: And then Elon comes out and says, I will drop

877
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 2: an infinite amount of money on the head of anyone

878
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: who poses any of the confirmations, and lo and behold,

879
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: Pete hag Seth, looks like all of them are going

880
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: to ultimately get through.

881
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 4: So I just don't see.

882
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: I mean, even with the you know, the spending flap

883
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 2: that happened in December. Yeah, I mean Elon drove that

884
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: whole train and again threatened to use his billions and

885
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: billions on you know, soon to be probably trillions of

886
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 2: dollars to primary anyone who didn't give him the bill

887
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 2: that he wanted. And it worked, Chip Roy and all

888
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: the rest folded like a you know, like a deca card.

889
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 9: They didn't fold on increasing the debt ceiling and Elon

890
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 9: didn't get a dollar actually saved.

891
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: Now he got his the restriction on investment in China.

892
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

893
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 9: Yeah, and that that you know that he may very

894
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 9: well have. I'm not saying that he doesn't have influence,

895
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 9: but I think if you have a group of House

896
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 9: members twenty to thirty in relatively safe districts and you

897
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 9: see Elon's numbers have been declining, I mean he's the

898
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 9: big question for Trump is how long is he going

899
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 9: to have someone who's as unpopular as Elon is becoming.

900
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 6: I do think the.

901
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 9: House can assert back, and at the very least, the

902
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 9: House we need to have a plan of what we're

903
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,479
Speaker 9: going to do to take the fight to Trump. Now

904
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 9: maybe you're saying, okay, we take this fight and then

905
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 9: Trump makes a counter move. Right now, I think why

906
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 9: people are so upset is they don't see us having

907
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 9: a real plan. I mean, at least Schatz, Senator Shatz

908
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 9: had a plan. He said, Okay, we're gonna put a

909
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 9: hold on every nominee to the State Department, including Stefanic.

910
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 6: But what we need from our leaders.

911
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 9: Is three or four things that says we are going

912
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 9: to assert the power of Congress. We're going to punch

913
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 9: back in terms of our power, and then we're going

914
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 9: to wait for Trump to make the next move. The

915
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 9: only people who winning against Trump for President Shane Baum

916
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 9: and Trudeau.

917
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 6: They're the only ones who've gotten to fold on anything.

918
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: Is there any regret among Democrats? So the other day,

919
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: while Oversight was doing whatever it was doing, AOC was

920
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: having like an Instagram live that had like tens of

921
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: thousands of people tuning in, Like she's clearly still one

922
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: of the parties like leading messengers.

923
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Speaker 6: That's one of the best communicators. Yeah and authentic.

924
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you watch these some of these rallies, no offense,

925
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: just deeply cringe stuff coming out of Democrats.

926
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Speaker 4: Humor was not made for this moment.

927
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: Val Green was shaking his cane. Any regret from your

928
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: colleagues telling AOC, you know, get in the back of

929
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: the line, like, because it's not as if Democrats aren't

930
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: doing things, like there are a million lawsuits that have

931
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: been filed, like lots of things are happening and people

932
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: are active, but there's no national voice.

933
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 9: Now, well, let me let's take an example this oversight hearing.

934
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 9: The fact is everyone is yawning about the subpoena until

935
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Speaker 9: I tweet out that Musk should be subpoena because of

936
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 9: the missed vote, and then Musk replies, imagine if AOC

937
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Speaker 9: was the ranking member leading that, it would have been

938
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Speaker 9: a very different case.

939
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Speaker 6: That would have been national needs.

940
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Speaker 9: And because he's fighting, he loves to fight with her,

941
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Speaker 9: he would have she would have said something, he would

942
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Speaker 9: have responded.

943
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Speaker 6: That would have been national news. It wouldn't make something right.

944
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Speaker 9: It wouldn't have taken my missed vote to provoke that.

945
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Speaker 9: So I think it was such.

946
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Speaker 6: A blunder not to put her there.

947
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 9: What I said to moderate Democrats when I because I

948
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 9: was one of the first out of the gate to

949
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Speaker 9: endorse her, support her, rally support for her, and I said, okay,

950
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Speaker 9: you disagree, I get it. You disagree with AOC in

951
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 9: her position on Gaza, you disagree on immigration. But she

952
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 9: is not running to be ranking member of the Foreign

953
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 9: Affairs Committee. She is not running to be ranking member

954
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Speaker 9: the Judiciary Committee. She's running to be ranking member of

955
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 9: the committee that punches Donald Trump.

956
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 6: Like, isn't isn't this the role where she would be

957
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 6: the best in our caucus?

958
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Speaker 9: And I mean, this is where the Democrats need to

959
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 9: get the next generation out there.

960
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 6: The optics of some of the stuff at the rallies

961
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 6: has just been cringe.

962
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 9: I mean because it looks ineffectual, it's non an actual plan,

963
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 9: and it doesn't look like we're flexing our power like Congress.

964
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 6: You know, it's not like JD.

965
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 9: Vance and Donald Trump are out there protesting Congress.

966
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 6: They're saying, we have power. Well, we need to act

967
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 6: like we have power. We do.

968
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 9: We have the power of the purse, and we have

969
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 9: the power of votes in confirmation, and we need to

970
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 9: stand together.

971
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: What are you hearing most from your constituents, Like what

972
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: kind of First of all, are you getting like a

973
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: flood of calls? Is there a lot of energy? What

974
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: are you hearing from them? What are their concerns?

975
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 4: What are they? You know, what is that vibe like?

976
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 9: So for two months after the loss to Trump, it

977
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 9: was pretty muted. But as soon as Trump became president

978
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 9: and Musk stopped those payments, I think a light bulb

979
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 9: went off. And in my last town hall this weekend,

980
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 9: over six hundred people showed up, people holding up signs

981
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 9: stopped the coup.

982
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 6: Stop the Musk coup.

983
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 9: In a sense bluntly that the Democratic leadership has not

984
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 9: been tough enough that we are a response has not

985
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 9: been clear enough. I do think Hakim has an opportunity

986
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 9: to be the voice because it's not coming out of

987
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 9: the Senate. I think this fight in the House debt

988
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 9: ceiling is that opportunity and one of the things we

989
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 9: got to do. Yes, take on Musk, but we also

990
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 9: need to take on Vance and Trump. I mean they're

991
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 9: the ones who are ultimately responsible, and not give them

992
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 9: a free pass on taking away funding for kids in

993
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 9: working class neighborhoods for their schools, I mean taking away

994
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 9: money for kids with special needs then, And we've got

995
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 9: to just be tougher as a party.

996
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: And you've been going at Vance a little bit. What's

997
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: your sense of his position here?

998
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 9: Well, I think he wants to be the nice guy.

999
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 9: He's kind of wants to be I'm the reasonable guy.

1000
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 9: I think Tim Waltz made a huge mistake in that

1001
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 9: debate by not going after Vance. They were coached to say,

1002
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 9: just go after Trump, and Vance comes up as this like, oh,

1003
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 9: I'm reasonable, giving Trump the sense of that, oh he's

1004
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 9: appointing reasonable people, and what the what the reality is

1005
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 9: Vance is driving the nominations of heg Seth and Gabbert.

1006
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 9: Behind the scenes, he's the one pressuring the senators. Vance

1007
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 9: hasn't raised his voice once to question why we're going

1008
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 9: to get rid of all of these programs for working

1009
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 9: class kids. In the Department of Education, pell grants Title

1010
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 9: one funding for decent schools. He's he's basically quiet, and

1011
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 9: the Democrats have an opportunity to define him for the

1012
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 9: extremist he is and not let him just kind of

1013
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 9: be this reasonable person. I mean, look at what the

1014
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 9: Republicans did to Vice President Harris.

1015
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to Walls as well. You said that constituents

1016
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: showed up with science that said, you know, stop the muscoup,

1017
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: Like do you think that that language is car Do

1018
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 2: you think it is a coup?

1019
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 9: I think it's a constitutional crisis. I mean, I think

1020
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 9: the coup would be if he succeeds. But I don't

1021
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 9: think he's going to succeed. I think we've we will

1022
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 9: push back.

1023
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: With attempted coups.

1024
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 6: It's it's it's certainly a violation of the constitution. Cool.

1025
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 6: You know, these turns get thrown around.

1026
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 9: And I'm not saying that it couldn't come to that

1027
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 9: if we if we're complacent, but if we pushed back, uh,

1028
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 9: and we make sure that we stand up for our

1029
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 9: construcial prerogatives. I think we have we had them on

1030
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 9: the defensive. I actually think they have really overreached. I

1031
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 9: was in Johnstown, Pennsylvania this past weekend. I met Tracy.

1032
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 9: She's at a barbecue place. She's a part owner. She said,

1033
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 9: you know, I voted for Donald Trump. I said that

1034
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 9: that doesn't surprise me. Why But she said, I have

1035
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 9: some concerns.

1036
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 6: I said why.

1037
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 9: She said, well, I voted for him because he was

1038
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 9: going to make sure that there were no taxes on

1039
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 9: overtime pay I want. I voted for him because he

1040
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 9: wasn't going to text tips. I was like, Wow, these

1041
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 9: messages are really getting through. I said, what about Kamala Harris.

1042
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 9: She said, you know, candidly, I considered her, I really

1043
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 9: but I felt she was a phony. And I said, well,

1044
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 9: what do you think now? Well, I'm concerned my mom

1045
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 9: is in the hospital and Medicaid is maybe cut. So

1046
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 9: there is a chance to be talking to people like Tracy.

1047
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 9: We've got to go on the offensive and be willing

1048
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 9: to assert our power.

1049
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: Last question for me, are you are you are you

1050
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: sensing any institutional prerogative from Congress? Like if this continues,

1051
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: this idea that Elon Musk can and Donald Trump can

1052
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 1: like pick and choose where they spend money, Congress doesn't

1053
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: really have a role in this liket. Yeah, Congress can

1054
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: I guess Congress could.

1055
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 6: Like settle the ceilings.

1056
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then if you need more money than that,

1057
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: you have to go figure it out some other way.

1058
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: But that but that becomes it. And if all you're

1059
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: doing is setting a ceiling, you don't need you certainly

1060
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: don't need five hundred and thirty five members of Congress

1061
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: to do that. That's just two people and basically just

1062
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: Trump telling them what to do. So is there any

1063
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: sense from Republicans that like, okay, we are ideologically and

1064
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: politically Republicans first, but secondly, we're we serve in this

1065
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: institution that is potentially being wiped out as a force

1066
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: in American politics, and we should do something about that.

1067
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: Is there any sense of that or is it more

1068
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: we're so partisan now that that's okay as long as

1069
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: the Republicans come out on top in the new system.

1070
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 9: So we need to make the argument he made more

1071
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 9: because where are the three Republicans that are going to

1072
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 9: stand for the institutional prerogative of Congress? And there may

1073
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 9: be if this fight happens with the dead ceiling. I mean,

1074
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 9: that's something like a chip roy or something. But the

1075
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 9: reality is there's fear, and the fear is that the

1076
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 9: people who have taken on Donald Trump and the Republican

1077
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 9: Party are gone. You know, they're Adam Kissinger there, Liz

1078
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 9: Cheney's a whole list of people who are not even

1079
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 9: as famous. And the ones who have stood with Donald

1080
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 9: Trump are National Security advisor and in the cabinet and

1081
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 9: are going to be you an ambassador. So if you're

1082
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 9: a politician on the Republican side, the lesson is pretty

1083
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 9: clear that you stand with Donald Trump if you care

1084
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 9: about your career and people rationalize it saying, well, he'll

1085
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 9: be there for four years and then something else will happen.

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Speaker 9: And so it's a palpable fear that's not irrational about

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Speaker 9: losing their jobs. And that's that's I think why they

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Speaker 9: haven't spoken out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and like I said before, now you have the

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Speaker 2: additional enforcement mechanism of Elon Musk being willing to spend

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Speaker 2: you know, which would what would be a trivial amount

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Speaker 2: of his net worth in order to primary and take

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Speaker 2: on anyone who doesn't inline right.

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Speaker 1: That graveyard was filled before Trump had access to Musks.

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Speaker 4: To unlimited, virtually unlimited money.

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Speaker 6: And he would spend it. He will if he's not

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Speaker 6: an idle threat. It's not an idle threat.

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Speaker 9: And it's a and for a house race that could

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Speaker 9: you know, ten million dollars twenty million dollars, even if

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Speaker 9: you don't beat an incumbent. You know, people, this is

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Speaker 9: is instill an enormous amount of amount of fear. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: so you know, we're in a situation where this is

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Speaker 9: a real, real fight for constitutional democracy. And I think

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Speaker 9: the they what people are frustrated that watch probably breaking

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Speaker 9: points or come to my town halls is they don't

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Speaker 9: see the Democratic Party right now, rising to the moment,

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Speaker 9: understanding the stakes, taking on the fight, having a clear

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Speaker 9: plan uh and and saying okay, we're going to push back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean they're really on the on the

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Speaker 2: Elon Mustoje side there.

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Speaker 4: As Ryan said to me, they're really going for it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's pronounced doggie.

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Speaker 4: I prefer that pronounce doe is the other way. They're

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Speaker 4: really going for it.

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Speaker 2: You know, they're now, they're no guarantees they'll succeed, but

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Speaker 2: they are mounting a revolution, and so people want to

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Speaker 2: see a response that is commeaserate with that, with that

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Speaker 2: true threat. So current, and we always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: I guess it worked out for you to miss that

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Speaker 2: vote since the drew tension of the.

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Speaker 6: Whole generation area of confidence Elon. Thank you guys, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: All Right, that's it for today. Tomorrow, Emily and I

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Speaker 1: have our interview with Natalie Winters. That'll be up for

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Speaker 1: premium subscribers later today for everybody else, the freeloaders. Tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: She is the war Room, Steve Bannon's war Room with

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Speaker 1: White House correspondent. It was a fascinating wide ranging conversation

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Speaker 1: should get.

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Speaker 4: Us an interview with Steve Bannon, because I would kind

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Speaker 4: of like that.

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Speaker 1: I'll ask her sure, that'd be fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, make that both of them for us, so that

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Speaker 2: would be very interesting. So in any case, Ryan, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for filling in, and stay tuned for

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Speaker 2: that tomorrow and we will see you guys next week