WEBVTT - Adventures with Cyrus "Scooter" Anderson: Seven Summits and Beyond

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your

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<v Speaker 1>host Scott Brady, and I am here with Cyrus Scooter Anderson,

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<v Speaker 1>longtime friend. This is awesome to have you on the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast with me today. I mean we have known each other.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got to be close to twenty years now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, our show. He just so fortunately found a motorcycle

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<v Speaker 2>that was identical to mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's right. We had a mutual love for

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<v Speaker 1>ktms at the time. And just for the audience, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that I have always so enjoyed about

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<v Speaker 1>you is that you have found a way to dive

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<v Speaker 1>in professionally for a chunk of time and then you

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<v Speaker 1>exit out of whatever it is that's of interest to

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<v Speaker 1>you at that point in time, and then you go

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<v Speaker 1>off and you see the world and you've done some

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<v Speaker 1>incredible adventures. Maybe we'll just kind of kick it off

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<v Speaker 1>with what do you think was your most ambitious of

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<v Speaker 1>all of your of all of your trips to give

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<v Speaker 1>the context, because you had like that seven Continent seventh

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<v Speaker 1>Summit idea, Like, let's talk about and then let's introduce

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<v Speaker 1>your son here.

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<v Speaker 2>Who are you? Cyrus?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Cyrus, thanks for being on the podcast. Buddy, you

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying doing a road trip with your dad? Yeah, that's night.

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<v Speaker 2>I ate so much that.

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<v Speaker 3>My commute was so big. Yeah that Yeah, that's me

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<v Speaker 3>both most days, buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>And don't forget you wanted to just go camp in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of nowhere last night when you had a

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<v Speaker 2>nice place to be. He's got you.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know how cool your dad is? By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>no thumbs down. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty I get it. Man, at your age is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty hard to know how cool your dad is. But

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<v Speaker 1>your dad is really cool. He's done a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>travel around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And that from Talladega nights. You ain't nothing but bones.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>We're all just a bag of bones trying to make

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<v Speaker 3>it work.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh. So tell me tell me about your favorite trip.

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<v Speaker 1>Where's your favorite adventure been this one?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And if I remember, you've already been to South America.

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<v Speaker 1>Whor else have you been in the world?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>You lived in Taiwan, We had a Delica van.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, nice, in India. Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're about to go to Canada this summer, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's yeah, we've got some good little runs. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of domestic stuff. Tell them about like last

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<v Speaker 2>summer when we went down the river in Idaho and

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<v Speaker 2>then you you hitchhiked our way back up with a

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<v Speaker 2>jet boat. Yeah. I was like half a million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that is a pretty sweet jet boat. Well do

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<v Speaker 1>you do you have some advice for people that are

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<v Speaker 1>getting started in travel?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 1>What advice would you give to people about traveling? Never ever,

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<v Speaker 1>never ever give up? That's a good one. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>good one. There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you feel like you're chasing your dreams? Buddy? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to though. I can see it in your eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>A building.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's cool. And what would you have in the building?

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<v Speaker 3>A horse? Cars? Got it? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Horses? Cars?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, that makes sense. I can see you want.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think that's pretty much everybody. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>the people that I know, their dream is to have

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<v Speaker 1>a building with lots of cars, with lots of horsepower.

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<v Speaker 2>He is all about horsepower. Yeah, he wants to go fast.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think, sy, Do you have any other

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<v Speaker 2>adventures you want to share? How about snow cave camping?

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<v Speaker 2>How about boats? Can I do a shout out two people?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you should do a shout out.

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<v Speaker 2>A shout out to my dad and we go.

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<v Speaker 3>And ever, I love you.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you, Bud. We're proud of you.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's I think it's pretty cool that you're

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<v Speaker 1>on a road trip with your dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if my mom was.

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<v Speaker 1>Here too, Yeah, that would be pretty'd be pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys could all do it together.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you. He when he was born in Argentina,

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<v Speaker 2>he got dual citizenship, right, so he has a tie

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<v Speaker 2>to there. And he was on the front of a

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<v Speaker 2>motorbike one of the first times with me, just buzzing

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<v Speaker 2>around and about he says, keep going, keep going, very

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<v Speaker 2>end of it. He'd already planned out a fourteen day

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<v Speaker 2>motorbike trip with mom and dad Roe Argentina and where

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to go. Well, anyway, you don't think so

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<v Speaker 2>I did not plan did you plan out? Okay, never mind,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it was my imagination, idiot.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, good job, buddy, Yeah, nice work.

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<v Speaker 2>But thanks for saying hi, and you can say ay longer.

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<v Speaker 2>He was asking some I don't know if you know

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<v Speaker 2>about some of the trip's dad's been on the see

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<v Speaker 2>photos you always want to go to art adventures and

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<v Speaker 2>there were also adventures I did before you came along.

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<v Speaker 2>You believe that? Can you believe that Scott was asking

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<v Speaker 2>about one of them? If you slow go faster?

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<v Speaker 3>There you go. That's good advice.

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<v Speaker 2>We've now watched Teldega Nights I bet fifteen times.

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<v Speaker 3>There's some evidence to that. Does that sound pretty good?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you the first kid on the Journal podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>He's one of the first. We've only we've only had

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<v Speaker 1>a couple a couple of kids on. We need to

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<v Speaker 1>have more, for sure, because kids know a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>than imagination what we forgetting, you know, Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like what a what a great reminder of Like to him,

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<v Speaker 1>the trip that he's on is the best trip he's

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<v Speaker 1>ever done, and that how many times have I screwed

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<v Speaker 1>that up? Where either I'm thinking about a trip that

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<v Speaker 1>I did years ago or I'm already imagining the next

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<v Speaker 1>trip that I'm going to go on and not be

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<v Speaker 1>in present. Yep, in the one that I'm currently enjoying,

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<v Speaker 1>it should be enjoying. So good good reminder there, for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm excited to see it continue rolling on. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>curious what direction you'll send us out of here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's lots of places.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, we've already done kind of the trains, planes, automobiles.

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<v Speaker 2>Getting here right out of Seattle onto the plane. It

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<v Speaker 2>was literally a forty four dollars ticket straight into here, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so amazing, kind of red eyed night time. And I

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<v Speaker 2>forgot our gaz a teer books of course, hit those up,

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<v Speaker 2>grab what I can, and then we're we will just

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<v Speaker 2>see right, it's it's whatever you're led to. You got

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<v Speaker 2>a number of friends and places, and those places we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know yet, and that's the element that I guess

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<v Speaker 2>we're going for.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and it seems like it's about time together, so

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<v Speaker 1>it really doesn't matter where you end up, so just

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<v Speaker 1>having having a little adventure together. But well, let's dig

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<v Speaker 1>let's dig in a little bit into you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>what kicked you off on that kind of seven continents,

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<v Speaker 1>seven summits idea, because that was I mean, that was

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that being so inspiring to me of like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, you should dream big, you should dream as

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<v Speaker 1>big as you can. And how far did you get

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<v Speaker 1>into that project and what did you experience along the way.

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<v Speaker 2>It was around the time I met you that I

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<v Speaker 2>was a year out from conceiving the idea yeah. It

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<v Speaker 2>was originally when i'd resigned from AG edwards and was

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<v Speaker 2>eighty hour week into ibanking. Had a transition in life

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<v Speaker 2>going in terms of you know, partner from Europe who'd

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<v Speaker 2>gone back home, and I was thinking, well, what is

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<v Speaker 2>it I want to do? And I strapped an old

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<v Speaker 2>low backpack I'd got when I was about thirteen years old.

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<v Speaker 2>It was already starting to get krusty on a number

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<v Speaker 2>of different bikes, and ended up through the America's Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>you know everything from kl rs to XR six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>was an amazing bike that needed some valve work toward

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<v Speaker 2>the end because of some foolish decisions on oil changes

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<v Speaker 2>in Bolivia and then you know again like the tried

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<v Speaker 2>and true in Africa, things like that. And along the

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<v Speaker 2>way on that XR I ended up around the base

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<v Speaker 2>of Acancagua. I had a killer feathered friends bag that

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<v Speaker 2>I had gotten on a pro deal years before running

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<v Speaker 2>this outdoor program at university. I went to and I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>with a good bag, you can kind of do what

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<v Speaker 2>you need. Right, Let's just see here, we'll make the

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<v Speaker 2>gamble and I bet all figure this out. Because I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have the best tent and anyway, I make it

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<v Speaker 2>to where I purchased half a mule of food, right

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<v Speaker 2>like medio mula, and I'm roll into base camp first night.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a Taiwanese guy. He's going to climb the Seven

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<v Speaker 2>Summits for a company called Autunas that he called the

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<v Speaker 2>Coleman of Taiwan. Okay, and he's on that journey. He

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<v Speaker 2>starts scoffing at me, look at your equipment. How do

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<v Speaker 2>you think you're gonna make it to the top of

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<v Speaker 2>this mountain with good sleeping bag but three season tent

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<v Speaker 2>and no summit jacket.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And I looked at him, and I'm not a big guy,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's well, actually, now I think about it, he's

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<v Speaker 2>probably the best tall as I am. But I gave

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<v Speaker 2>him this kind of like, okay, skinny guy, how you're

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<v Speaker 2>getting all that gear up the mountain?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And we teamed up and I helped him get stuff

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<v Speaker 2>up to some of the higher camps, shared resources. I

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<v Speaker 2>found a jacket and made it to the summit of

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<v Speaker 2>that mountain with him, and he made a really cool

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<v Speaker 2>article in the Taiwanese climbing magazine that I met this American.

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<v Speaker 2>He says he's going to climb this, but how's he

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<v Speaker 2>going to make it? And I guess my response was

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm cute, and he made that the theme of

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning and end of his article. They came together

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<v Speaker 2>really nice, right, Taiwanese people. Later we went when Si

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<v Speaker 2>was nearly a year old, his the family. We went

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<v Speaker 2>and spent the winter in Hawaiian City, Taiwan, I call

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<v Speaker 2>it Hawaii, New Zealand, China and Japan gate birth to

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<v Speaker 2>a baby island. Right, Wow, when you had the revolution,

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<v Speaker 2>all these people who had there that have a very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting philosophy on how life can be lived. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's a really interesting respect for autonomy for certain things

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<v Speaker 2>that I value. And anyway, so we climbed that mountain

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<v Speaker 2>and he told me, well, what you would come up

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<v Speaker 2>with something fun? You love this stuff? And I said,

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<v Speaker 2>was anybody tried to ride all dirt between the highest

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<v Speaker 2>point of every continent and an inter year adventure? And

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<v Speaker 2>that's where I suppose it was conceived, And you were

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<v Speaker 2>honestly a very large inspiration and keeping it going right

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, the budget was huge, the push to continue,

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<v Speaker 2>but also so huge that you got to have the

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<v Speaker 2>right sponsors and different things. So at the time, I

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<v Speaker 2>was jumping on a lot of five twenty fives and

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<v Speaker 2>I had gone to look into pit crewing and spending

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<v Speaker 2>some time with friends that were rally Pan America, the

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<v Speaker 2>only American team that was doing the car when it

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<v Speaker 2>was what I viewed as to right like real Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>And I built that bike out where it had more

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<v Speaker 2>sustainability for long term travel.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I remember you up the oil volume and stuff

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that actually was the five to seventy. So

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<v Speaker 2>I stepped then next to this five seventy motor that

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<v Speaker 2>of course now we know it's legendary in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand hours. Don't even check the valves. And with

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<v Speaker 2>the oil capacity thing you mentioned, it doubled the oil

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<v Speaker 2>capacity I believe nearly through the frame rails. And I

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<v Speaker 2>consulted with a lubrication SPA consultant who did things for

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<v Speaker 2>Honda and KTM out of California, and I was curious

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<v Speaker 2>about some of the how the loop of oil was

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<v Speaker 2>actually circulating appropriately, but it did help. And it also

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<v Speaker 2>it's one of those things with any vehicle, why not

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<v Speaker 2>tap an area that you could dump three four leaders

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<v Speaker 2>of oil in if something goes down and you could

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<v Speaker 2>always drain it late. It gives you options. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I started building that bike out and had access

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<v Speaker 2>to a pretty good machine shop at a friend's Telemart

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<v Speaker 2>binding company, C and CE machine and leads, and I

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<v Speaker 2>modified some things, integrated it, and a lot of it

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<v Speaker 2>came into that article that I'd love to make accessible again.

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<v Speaker 2>One day that I thought to get came together really well.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a great one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was wonderful. And I had gone up to

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<v Speaker 2>alask actually on four wheels and kind of a combo

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<v Speaker 2>of four wheels and two wheels, an over built seven

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<v Speaker 2>to three powerstroke van that like fifteen fourteen thousand, A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of them do Oh my god, it's burn and rubber.

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<v Speaker 2>But that thing was fun. It had the front and

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<v Speaker 2>rear wenches front. She was great, and I anyway ended

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<v Speaker 2>up trying to integrate that part of the trip is

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<v Speaker 2>like the beginning of then heading south and back to

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<v Speaker 2>South America. And around that time, it was the fall

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<v Speaker 2>after I met you. I also had a head on

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<v Speaker 2>collision with a I won't name the company, but a

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<v Speaker 2>major carrier, their big vehicle on the highway. They weren't watching,

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<v Speaker 2>and I tore some rhomboids in my back and it

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<v Speaker 2>took me about a year to get back on board

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<v Speaker 2>with certain adventures and later guided a friend up awk

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<v Speaker 2>in Cogwa. We got stuck in a storm for a

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<v Speaker 2>number of days and so I was doing different sections

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<v Speaker 2>of that trip, one of which I took the Husaberg

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<v Speaker 2>five seventies. Safari had hooked me up with some big

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<v Speaker 2>tank systems was at like eight point one gallons on

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<v Speaker 2>four separate tanks. Wow, the integrated oil system. You know,

0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.280
<v Speaker 2>some some really cool things. And I went south that

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<v Speaker 2>trip only into the center of Central America and had

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<v Speaker 2>a very interesting trip back up in that My timing

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<v Speaker 2>was that okay, go home on this trip come back

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<v Speaker 2>and I wasn't permitted to leave what became international space

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<v Speaker 2>for five days with Mike as I had some very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting extortion occurring with abugados, the attorneys, the order that

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<v Speaker 2>wanted some payouts and anyway, Yeah, that trip over time,

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<v Speaker 2>it fizzled, but the ambition was there. Yeah, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>not to say it couldn't be completed.

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<v Speaker 1>But the one of the one of the most incredible

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<v Speaker 1>mountains in the world. I did not climb at Concogwa,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do remember driving over the Andes and there's

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<v Speaker 1>that one road that you can take between Argentina and

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<v Speaker 1>Chile where you can see the summit if the if

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<v Speaker 1>the conditions are right, and I just remember seeing that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, that has got to be one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most beautiful mountains on the planet. And it is

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<v Speaker 1>known to be one of the most beautiful of the

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<v Speaker 1>seven Summits.

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<v Speaker 3>Just you know, it's like that perfectly shaped peak.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. And imagine being up even spending days acclimatizing

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<v Speaker 2>at say eighteen thousand feet roughly where Summits roughly right

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<v Speaker 2>under twenty three, right, and you're looking down at the

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<v Speaker 2>globe at the level, and those sunsets are something that's

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<v Speaker 2>such magic. Yeah, And I've never witnessed something like what

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<v Speaker 2>is up there at the right day, the right time.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just in the biggest puffiest jacket yea. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>those mountains are magical and just that combination of things.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if you had seen it was

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<v Speaker 2>actually around the time I had gone for the second

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<v Speaker 2>trip on Auchencogua, they did take the Husaberg five seventy,

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<v Speaker 2>the highest point that a motorcycle was made on a

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<v Speaker 2>little expedition. I've spoken with a number of them, and

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about trying to get some fuel injected

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<v Speaker 2>bikes higher than the.

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<v Speaker 3>Current world right of course, and they did.

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<v Speaker 1>They go high on there's those volcanoes in somewhere in

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<v Speaker 1>South America that they used to do those high altitude they.

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<v Speaker 2>Did actually one of the peaks very close to auc

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<v Speaker 2>and Cogua. But those volcanoes you're talking about. When I

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<v Speaker 2>came through on the XR six hundred, I definitely had

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<v Speaker 2>some vinegar in me. I was twenty six, twenty seven, overworked,

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<v Speaker 2>passionate about you know, transition in life and where you

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<v Speaker 2>are right and I took that XR as far as

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<v Speaker 2>that jet would permit the higher altitude get and my

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<v Speaker 2>guess is it was close to eighteen and a half.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, that's very high.

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<v Speaker 2>And that became a really painful experience in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>that I ate alpaca meat in the nearby village. They

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<v Speaker 2>it was off season and they permitted me to go

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<v Speaker 2>with a radio and actually rent the hard boots I

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<v Speaker 2>needed in the crampons alone, but there was one check

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<v Speaker 2>in with the radio and at the time my Spanish

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<v Speaker 2>had not advanced as it has in recent years, and

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to make them worried, but I that

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<v Speaker 2>brought now pack of me gave me some serious squirts.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, I was leaving what.

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<v Speaker 2>Looked like there was some sort of calev.

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<v Speaker 3>They would have found you, They would have.

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<v Speaker 2>Found me exactly. I never thought of it that way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they would have. And that summit was right at twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember hitting twenty one and I was getting

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<v Speaker 2>a mix of cerebral and pulmon area demon which I'd

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<v Speaker 2>had minor versions of at different times, and ones helped

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<v Speaker 2>off of the Grand Teeton because I was a little

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<v Speaker 2>too ambitious leaving sea level. Yeah, I had friends that weren't.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. The most painful of the two is cerebral,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, because your skull is expanding and you can

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<v Speaker 2>hear crackling. Anyway, I got down lower and it felt

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<v Speaker 2>like did you ever see the movie Touching the Void?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, it was a little like that in the tent.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I got back, energy was low, somehow loaded the

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<v Speaker 2>motorbike and got down and out of there. And yeah

0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.440
<v Speaker 2>the village, though returning there still wasn't good meat. Yeah,

0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.640
<v Speaker 2>they're good food in general, and I had to load

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<v Speaker 2>up again. And yeah, Bolivia at that time was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the more chaotic countries I'd spent time in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's still fairly chaotic. Difficult to get fuel and

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of stuff. Maybe not so bad on a bike.

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<v Speaker 1>They probably take some you know, some care of motorcyclists

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<v Speaker 1>that come through, but people that are driving through in

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<v Speaker 1>a truck, you can it could be hard to get

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<v Speaker 1>fuel in that country, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And good quality products. Like I said, that's where the

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<v Speaker 2>oil change. I thought, change oil. And remember, you know

0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.159
<v Speaker 2>you're putting you could be putting in something that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the right tolerances and additives, and who knows, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's what led to in southern Argentinea. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I had to sell it for close to nothing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but got something out of it, and we had a

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<v Speaker 2>rental car and jetted back north again. And you know

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<v Speaker 2>you start out in Africa next on something new amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let we'll take a little pause on that story

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<v Speaker 1>because we're going to continue with Africa in a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the things I think is that people

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<v Speaker 1>would find interesting and can learn from is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about how you set yourself up

0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:18.720
<v Speaker 1>professionally because you did M and A work mergers and acquisitions,

0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:23.040
<v Speaker 1>you were helping family offices with acquisitions, you were working

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<v Speaker 1>in banking. I mean, I'm probably got some of that wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's talk through a little bit about how did

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<v Speaker 1>you set things up? Like how did you first realize like, oh,

0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:33.840
<v Speaker 1>that could work for me? And then how did you

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<v Speaker 1>set things up to be able to work for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years and then literally go travel.

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<v Speaker 3>The world for a few more years.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you set that up at some level, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>say spreadsheets, Yeah, as a geek, right, you can make

0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:50.720
<v Speaker 2>great projections on many things. Numbers don't lie, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say, though, one of the bigger takeaways from being

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<v Speaker 2>someone who studied economics is the key term marginal propensity

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<v Speaker 2>to consume. I always looked at it like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>in this to break even. How am I going to

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<v Speaker 2>create time and freedom? And I've experimented very broadly with

0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:14.440
<v Speaker 2>it in terms of in recent years, I was able

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<v Speaker 2>to find a very interesting, inaccessible piece of land that

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<v Speaker 2>taxation is almost nothing. Those sorts of things sell for

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<v Speaker 2>pennies on the dollar, and I just look at everything

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the arbitrage opportunity and getting positioned. Though

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say for what my life ultimately has been able

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<v Speaker 2>to become took keeping that low marginal propensity to consume

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<v Speaker 2>and to have the diligence to see through your opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>cost of is it by this burger when you know

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<v Speaker 2>I can very easily And I mean in recent years

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<v Speaker 2>I got a little tired of it, but hey, roadkilled deer.

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<v Speaker 3>Even yeah, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Learn you learn what's there That often is even better. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about letting things find you as opposed to finding

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<v Speaker 2>them yourself. And I find that in the chaos of

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<v Speaker 2>the modern world, with as much as we make things

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<v Speaker 2>really rapid fire, you don't have the ability, like most

0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:16.320
<v Speaker 2>people are inefficiently entering spaces where they're not allowing for

0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:20.040
<v Speaker 2>the WU way let's just call it, where those opportunities

0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.560
<v Speaker 2>are sitting there in front of you. And every day

0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:25.760
<v Speaker 2>you can almost reset your life if you allow yourself

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<v Speaker 2>to take one browniean motion move, one random move that

0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:33.480
<v Speaker 2>leads to that day having that intersection. And I'd say

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<v Speaker 2>intersectionality except for it almost becomes politically using the term now,

0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.040
<v Speaker 2>but like where you're going to have that intersection, it's

0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.440
<v Speaker 2>going to lead to new things every day, and I'd

0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.800
<v Speaker 2>say that, really, yeah, it just comes down to having

0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:49.360
<v Speaker 2>the diligence to be around you. You look around yourself

0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:52.120
<v Speaker 2>and say, what do I care about? And how can

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<v Speaker 2>I allocate every ounce of resource into something that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring me the greatest joy. I suppose, right, is

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<v Speaker 2>the geeky economist element and.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, and I watched you do that. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I remember you know to your point. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to spend money at this restaurant because

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<v Speaker 1>that could be two days of travel. Yeah, legit, I'm

0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:19.080
<v Speaker 1>going to ride a motorcycle that I bought, used and

0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:22.719
<v Speaker 1>I did minimal modifications. Maybe I got some sponsorship because

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<v Speaker 1>by not spending eighty grand on a full drive, I

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<v Speaker 1>can travel for two years. And I watched you you

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<v Speaker 1>do that time and time again where you're you were.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe purity is a part of it. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that human beings can do that. They can

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<v Speaker 1>stay they can stay very pure to a value or

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<v Speaker 1>to a goal if they just get over the ego

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit where it's like I don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>have that fancy thing, or I don't have to spend

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<v Speaker 1>that extra money on something that might signal something to

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<v Speaker 1>the world, but it actually stands directly in the way

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<v Speaker 1>of me achieving what I really want to experience in life.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you talked about that intersection of values that

0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:04.280
<v Speaker 1>you experienced when you were in Taiwan. Why don't we

0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:06.200
<v Speaker 1>dig into that a little bit. What are you finding

0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:10.680
<v Speaker 1>after so many years of I wouldn't call you an ascetic,

0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:13.879
<v Speaker 1>but you're definitely you're willing to be minimalist. You're willing

0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:19.480
<v Speaker 1>to dig into some roadkill deer in order to provide

0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the protein that you need to save yourself a ton

0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:24.960
<v Speaker 1>of money. So talk a little bit about those intersections

0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:29.719
<v Speaker 1>of values, how your experience has reinforced those values, and

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<v Speaker 1>how you implement them in your life today.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure the adventure that has come from I think that

0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:40.359
<v Speaker 2>in answering your question, i'd bring up that in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of many travels, I started having some very interesting

0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:49.480
<v Speaker 2>phenomena in terms of autoimmunity that resulted in, you know,

0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:54.040
<v Speaker 2>at times being fully on cripple crutches where don't want

0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:57.760
<v Speaker 2>to move. Inflammation from the insides like a little nuclear bomb. Right.

0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:01.440
<v Speaker 2>That slowed me down to a level that I could

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate things even at the next level that at times,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know. I keep my cripple crutches

0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 2>pretty handy. Sometimes I'm great, sometimes I'm not. And I'd

0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:17.800
<v Speaker 2>say that there has been an interesting walk into being

0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:20.639
<v Speaker 2>someone who, you know, I had an interesting upbringing in

0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Jackson Hole, where my mother came from a good family

0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:29.160
<v Speaker 2>but was orphaned called good family and met my dad

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<v Speaker 2>in the early twenties to buy one thing that was meaningful,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a place to raise children in a beautiful

0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:38.160
<v Speaker 2>place where they had a little farm. And I witnessed

0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:41.040
<v Speaker 2>my mother's health drop off. And I was always very

0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:45.199
<v Speaker 2>motivated to hustle and you know, work hard. And I

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<v Speaker 2>sort of witnessed my dad that guy who did whatever

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<v Speaker 2>he had to do, and I saw the trade off.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the harder things was being a thirteen fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old kid who'd been working for years for his

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<v Speaker 2>black belt in taekwondo night that the testing was coming

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<v Speaker 2>through with one hundred bucks for the testing, you know

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to get it, or a hundred bucks is

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<v Speaker 2>actually going to lead to some cool things our family

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<v Speaker 2>can use. Yeah, And I made that decision, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's if you fast forward into life I've at

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<v Speaker 2>times I try never to have any regret. The worst

0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:24.560
<v Speaker 2>thing you can do is carry regret. But I try

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<v Speaker 2>to end up in a position that if I can

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<v Speaker 2>look forward, what's going to give me the most utility?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I mentioned, So, yeah, those trade offs like what

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<v Speaker 2>do you value and what is your greatest dream? So

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<v Speaker 2>if in the case of two ill seven summits, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a huge dream, or was it simply that I

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<v Speaker 2>allowed myself by the time that I'd been working hard

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<v Speaker 2>for a while to say a year, twenty grand whatever

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 2>comes first. And I wasn't that efficient at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean I was certainly so damn cheap that

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<v Speaker 2>I remember being in Mendoza, Argentina, and I you shaving

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<v Speaker 2>cream and I was shaving my face without cream and

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<v Speaker 2>turning it, you know, because I'm I'm just trying to

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:09.880
<v Speaker 2>cut every corner that I stink and can and in retrospect,

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:12.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, like what are you doing? But I've had

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<v Speaker 2>a really fun process of having a chunk of land

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 2>that I had to cut my way into that has

0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:20.840
<v Speaker 2>gravity feed springs, and that you're having all of your

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:25.399
<v Speaker 2>adventures and your experiences, but you're removing yourself from let's say,

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 2>even though there's a big power line in some proximity,

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 2>how about a minor solar system. And let's see the

0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:34.240
<v Speaker 2>way we can integrate an old arb fridge with no battery,

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.040
<v Speaker 2>a ton of old sleeping bags around it, and you're

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 2>going to have it oscillaid up and down slightly but

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<v Speaker 2>stay right on frozen all the time with no battery,

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<v Speaker 2>just tinkering it. Yeah, And you find that really it's

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:50.919
<v Speaker 2>nearly an illusion that we need certain things. And this is,

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<v Speaker 2>of course my take, but the story always is that

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:56.360
<v Speaker 2>we need big Brother to do something for us. And

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<v Speaker 2>I personally sort of see this world where the more

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<v Speaker 2>we have agency, which is a word that you added

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<v Speaker 2>earlier that I love that really describes what I think

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:11.119
<v Speaker 2>is going to keep humanity on a plane that will

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<v Speaker 2>have a better outcome in the long term.

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:16.439
<v Speaker 3>And it seems like it's done that for you.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like the agency that you've employed in your life,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you're like, all right, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>dig in. I remember one of the times you and

0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I were catching up. You were on a private jet

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 1>probably what you were You were on a private jet

0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and you were going off to do some big deal,

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:35.040
<v Speaker 1>and you were crushing it. You were in full consultant

0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:39.880
<v Speaker 1>mode and you were working for someone on a big deal,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the next time I talked to you, you

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:44.920
<v Speaker 1>were heading off to someplace crazy in the world on

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:48.440
<v Speaker 1>a four thousand dollars motorcycle. To me was it's been

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<v Speaker 1>very evident that you've chosen to have agency over the

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 1>experiences that you have in life and how they change you.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's to me, I found it very inspiring, Absolutely

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:04.399
<v Speaker 1>found it inspiring to see that, Like to watch you

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 1>operate at really are two extremes, but your heart was

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 1>really only in one of them, which is experiences. But

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 1>you're willing to be like, all right, I'm gonna go

0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna dig really deep into the professional space to

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<v Speaker 1>make enough money to.

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<v Speaker 1>Overlanding one on one And thank you all for listening

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<v Speaker 2>It's been one of the greatest liberties. Yeah to have

0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 2>that and at times, you know, you wish that you

0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 2>dove deeper. You know, we just had a wonderful experience

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<v Speaker 2>with for a couple of nights, they had us over

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 2>by Arizona and or by Phoenix, And at times you

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 2>want those creature comforts more, right, And it's that sacrifice, though,

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.280
<v Speaker 2>that wakes you up, makes you appreciate what you do

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 2>have around you. In contrast, I think contrast is such

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful element. And I'm glad I've been able to

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>do what I've been able to. And you know, in

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 2>whatever way even the next generation chooses, is that or not,

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 2>we'll see. God. We just are sitting where the paradigm

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 2>is changing so rapidly ai and degrades its way in

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 2>our face for our lives.

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<v Speaker 3>People, Yeah, you are.

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<v Speaker 1>You are the next generation buddies, you are, which is

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 1>a good thing we need, we need that. I think

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<v Speaker 1>about my nephews and I'm like, these kids are awesome.

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Like they're way more awesome than I was. They're way

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<v Speaker 1>more kind of aware of life and thoughtful of others.

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 1>And there's like it, there's a depth to them, maybe

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 1>because they've been able to learn so rapidly, because the

0:30:57.280 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 1>availability of information and probably the versity of the people

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 1>that they exchange time with. But the kids are just awesome, like,

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 1>way more cool than I ever was.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take it all day long being around a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I keep reminding my dad, who will hear this, you know,

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 2>let the kids be loud, to let them knock around,

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 2>have their fun. And like, I think there's some sort

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 2>of quote that may have religious context as just the

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<v Speaker 2>closer you can be to a child at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of your life, the closer you will be to some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a heaven or bliss. Sure, and I strive

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<v Speaker 2>for that. I Thineah, it's a very important element.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we talked earlier today an interesting confluence of both

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.959
<v Speaker 1>of our lives that we only just found out this

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 1>morning when we were catching up. But you know, your

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 1>dad is struggling with some health concerns and my dad is.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, they both had sounds like strokes about the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, about a year and.

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 3>A half ago. How do you process that.

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<v Speaker 1>Change the fact the reality that you know, you have

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 1>your son that's coming into life, and we have our parents.

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, I lost my mom years ago, and how

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 1>has that informed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's it really hard of your one thing

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very happy that I did. In twenty fifteen, I

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 2>was doing a lot of Asia six months of the

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>year whatever it was, Himalaya is Southeast Asia, islands wherever.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was notified that two friends passed in the year.

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 2>A man who was a very inspirational element and mentor

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 2>in my life, who had been the CEO of Columbia

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Star Pictures and Fox in the seventies. Very I worked

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:45.959
<v Speaker 2>at a restaurant he had in Jackson Hole when I

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 2>was a teenager, and he opened amazing doors for me

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 2>and I the respect I hold for that man, it's immense,

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 2>just the perspective and a friend and a paraglider the

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<v Speaker 2>same week. My only reaction was call Dad, Dad, getting

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<v Speaker 2>I'm meeting you in North Vietnam. The man had never

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 2>left the country in his life.

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 2>And for him to show up on the plane and

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 2>just be jazzed ready to go, and he was still

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 2>healthy enough. It was that one moment that he had

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:19.040
<v Speaker 2>to get him on something big like that, for never

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 2>knowing where life went. And of course he shows up

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:23.040
<v Speaker 2>with a city and knives and he's like, check out

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 2>what I snuff. So proud of him. He went hard

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 2>for about three four days with me. We've got great photos.

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 2>We were out having you know, how was it. He

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 2>was seventy two, maybe seventy and we're in there he's

0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 2>eighty two now and you know, having their local drinks

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 2>and foods, and he almost biffs it so hard, a

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 2>silly move, but his athleticism as if he's kind of

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 2>a pioneer of freestyle skiing, and he did this perfect

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>move on the bike.

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 3>I witnessed that.

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 2>I was like, no way would anyone else pulled that off.

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Riding for forty years, right, he just jumps on. And

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 2>now to have the end of that and him tell

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:08.839
<v Speaker 2>me that was about my favorite experience I've ever had.

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Even though I got to revisit with him after his stroke,

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:15.400
<v Speaker 2>I think he's rewired some thoughts a little, but he

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't lose his memories and he didn't lose his awareness.

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 2>He's just now slow and struggles to speak at times.

0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just really happy that we were able to

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:31.439
<v Speaker 2>do that, that that experience happened. And now in the

0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 2>midst of this energy, that's a child in his imagination

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 2>and his lust for life that reinvigorates in myself through

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:45.359
<v Speaker 2>his proximity and vice versa. I'm sure that is what

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 2>life is about. I look at it. I say, we

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.799
<v Speaker 2>have our relationships and our memories, and there are so

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 2>many things that simply are not worth our energy to

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 2>not partake in that have a darkness about them, and

0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 2>there are things that possess a light that is so

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 2>bright and lovely. I'd rather take that path.

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:03.919
<v Speaker 3>Why do you think people keep taking the other path?

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 3>Why do you think people keep doing the things that

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:09.440
<v Speaker 3>they're not that they shouldn't. They know even they know

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 3>they shouldn't.

0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>There's a little bit around that hurt people, hurt people.

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 2>You just can't help yourself because you're caught in the

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 2>thought that somehow them having fun will restrict your ability

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:24.920
<v Speaker 2>to enjoy. And man, the more I can I mean,

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:27.240
<v Speaker 2>I know, being me, I've at times been a very

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.840
<v Speaker 2>bold element and it doesn't help me, and it times

0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:34.400
<v Speaker 2>it does. But I would say that over time, most

0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:36.920
<v Speaker 2>of the most of those people that are choosing that

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:38.919
<v Speaker 2>path of like I go as far back to being

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 2>a sixth grader and the kid that would go tattletale

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 2>on all the fun you were having when it's a subteacher, right, like,

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:48.399
<v Speaker 2>why were they doing that? And usually I think there's

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 2>something that is in themselves that they're I think there's

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 2>probably jealousy at times when you act in a way

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:58.879
<v Speaker 2>that you want to harm others, And I thought that's

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 2>what SI was actually brings up. There was something I

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 2>said that I don't know how it resonated with him,

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.240
<v Speaker 2>but it was being people in the fast lane going slow,

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 2>and I said, I don't like being held up. And

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 2>the last thing in this world I would ever want

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:13.799
<v Speaker 2>to do is hold another person up for like achieving

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 2>their ambitions and finding the joy and growth that is

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:20.239
<v Speaker 2>in their life. And one thing that I think I

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:23.759
<v Speaker 2>can say about those people who choose that is that

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:28.840
<v Speaker 2>I can almost thank them for creating a tangent which

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:31.799
<v Speaker 2>led to my own growth that maybe I never would

0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.399
<v Speaker 2>have experienced in the path of life that I'm in,

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:37.719
<v Speaker 2>because we're all on a different page here, and we

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.880
<v Speaker 2>all have different obstacles that we either create for ourselves,

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:43.200
<v Speaker 2>others create for us, or it's something bigger than we

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 2>could ever explain.

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, we learn a lot from each one of

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:49.480
<v Speaker 1>those things if we allow ourselves. I mean, recently, I've

0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:51.440
<v Speaker 1>been thinking a lot about that, you know, because so

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 1>much has changed in my life in the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years. And you know, I was just thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>the other day. You know, it's like, we got to

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<v Speaker 1>have we got to have some purpose. We really do

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<v Speaker 1>need to have something to chase a little bit. We

0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:05.960
<v Speaker 1>got to have something that that gets us up in

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 1>the morning, gives little puts a little fire in the belly.

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<v Speaker 1>So I do realize like that I know that I

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.360
<v Speaker 1>need that. I'm not saying that everybody needs that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I know that I need that.

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:16.279
<v Speaker 3>I need that that I need to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do hard things that gives me a lot of joy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I think the one thing that I've really

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<v Speaker 1>screwed up on in my life is I just haven't

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 1>had enough play. From the outside it would I've traveled

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 1>so much and I've done I've had so many experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>but they've always been like in the pursuit of the purpose, goal,

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 1>the goal. Like I'm very driven, but I did not

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 1>stop and smell the roses much or at all in

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>my life. You know, when I think about talking with

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<v Speaker 1>others that are maybe starting off on the journey similar

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:49.640
<v Speaker 1>to what I started off on twenty thirty years ago,

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's that it's such a cliche cliche to say,

0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:55.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, like stop and smell the roses, but holy cow,

0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 1>there's some truth to that, like you know, finding like

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 1>you talked about earlier about being at you know, at

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 1>the top of at Congagua and actually remembering that sunset

0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 1>that was happening, and that's because you were intentional in

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:11.440
<v Speaker 1>that moment to stop and watch that unfold. So I

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>don't I know that I haven't had enough play and

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:15.479
<v Speaker 1>I haven't had enough of those that kind of joy

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<v Speaker 1>in my life. And then I absolutely agree with you

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 1>about connection. It's about the people that we know. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's so funny when you look back at that, like

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<v Speaker 1>purpose and doing hard things and play and having fun

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 1>and joy and connecting with others. None of that requires

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money. And that's why you can see,

0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:35.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, someone in a village in Malawi that's just

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 1>got limitless joy. They're super happy because they're you know,

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 1>they're challenged, and they're they're purpose in their life and

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 1>their family, and they're connected with others and you know,

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 1>they're having fun. They're playing in the lake and throwing

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.719
<v Speaker 1>a playing soccer or whatever. It's like it's really not

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 1>that difficult, but boy, do we make it difficult sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's nine reaction. I was reminded of what you

0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.359
<v Speaker 2>just said the flowers about two and a half months

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:02.160
<v Speaker 2>ago by very lovely woman in my life I love

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<v Speaker 2>so much, and she actually was the one ironically in

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:07.840
<v Speaker 2>thinking this that she said, are you ever stopping to

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 2>smell the flowers? And that end goal thing is actually

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 2>a large component if I'll ever get online for you.

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 2>A couple of those episodes of the Why did You

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 2>come to Japan Japanese show, one of their more bigger things,

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:27.440
<v Speaker 2>that's a theme. It's a very well thought out show

0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:31.280
<v Speaker 2>has to do with why did you say? For example,

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<v Speaker 2>I was peddling a bicycle through Japan that I picked

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<v Speaker 2>up hitchhiking. I called it a mom bike. This thing

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:40.200
<v Speaker 2>had three years of basket on. I had the economist

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 2>in the front and a big jacket sleeping bag. The

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 2>jacket I got at some used store. Bicycle was given

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<v Speaker 2>to me by a Peruvian Japanese.

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 3>Guy, which is great, race, amazing, and.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, you didn't achieve your goal? Was the whole

0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:58.880
<v Speaker 2>thing because I was just going home. I was tired

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 2>of at the time. It was the rain and communicate

0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 2>and I just kind of wanted to go home and

0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 2>they're at the airport and they're like, why are you

0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:10.160
<v Speaker 2>doing this? And it was that same like, because I

0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 2>want to enjoy the journey right now, it may not

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:15.399
<v Speaker 2>be that like I guess you got to know. It's

0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:18.640
<v Speaker 2>almost it's similar to climbing a mountain. At what point

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 2>do you actually stop and see what the crystal ball

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 2>says and is it worth continuing? And it depends upon

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 2>what your goals are at that juncture. Michael was I

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of want to go back home to Jackson Hole

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:33.279
<v Speaker 2>and see some friends jump into hot spring even though

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:35.120
<v Speaker 2>it's hot springs there. Yeah.

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you wanted to change change the scenery. Yeah, absolutely so, Yeah,

0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:42.720
<v Speaker 3>I know that's such an important one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's talk a little bit about travel ethos and

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:49.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of how you prep for trips. You've done a

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 1>lot most of your trips have been on lightweight motorcycles.

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 1>Why do you choose lightweight motorcycles and kind of how

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 1>do you tend to set them up?

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so I'm a horsepower junkie. I like power to wait, KTM,

0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:08.800
<v Speaker 2>who's the burg, Who's Kavarna? Just they nothing really competes.

0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they dominate.

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 2>They dominate, and I got on that train at a

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:16.839
<v Speaker 2>point in time, and there's this motor that you know,

0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:19.360
<v Speaker 2>the article I wrote for you guys later. You know,

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 2>people see pretty clearly thousand hours don't even check the valves.

0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:27.480
<v Speaker 2>So going with something first that I look for what

0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 2>makes a sexy bike first power and maybe equally longevity.

0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:35.399
<v Speaker 2>But you know, KLR is that that sexy? I don't

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 2>think so, So you need the balance. It's that that

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 2>hybrid component of both. And I like something that I

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:45.319
<v Speaker 2>feel I could slide under a barbed wire fence. I

0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:48.279
<v Speaker 2>could probably push it through a river after I throw

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 2>a plastic bag around the intake and have some help

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 2>somewhere pushing it. You know, even nearby here the ver

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:57.799
<v Speaker 2>Day River multiple times right where you're gonna have to

0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 2>turn back one hundred miles or you could continue and

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:05.719
<v Speaker 2>hit some insane desert from here. Something that feels agile,

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:08.600
<v Speaker 2>like it's a rat dape under you and it is terran.

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:12.719
<v Speaker 2>That is something to me that it keeps your limp flowing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, I'd say that that kind of bike is

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<v Speaker 2>huge in my world to have.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, maybe we'll just wrap it up with like, how

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 1>do you normally pack your gear on the bike.

0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, these days, I'm still using bags that Pate always

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:29.799
<v Speaker 2>was offering me bags with his Moscow motos that I

0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:31.800
<v Speaker 2>think he's done great bags. Yeah, the best thing, and

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 2>talk about nine fifties before he can as he was

0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 2>conceiving the ideas for the company. I met him at

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 2>a gas station randomly in Mexico and we camp for

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 2>a night. Started telling me all about what he's gonna do. Yeah, Like,

0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:46.319
<v Speaker 2>this guy seems like he's on.

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:48.799
<v Speaker 1>It and he has been. Man, he's a good had

0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:50.880
<v Speaker 1>a good run. I just got a bunch of his Uh,

0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go test the new Prillia rally Okay,

0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:57.479
<v Speaker 1>Toreg Rally in Utah and next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So he sent me all of his Moscow his new

0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Adventure motorcycle gear. So I've got one of his little

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Peico tank bags and I got all of his jacket

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.799
<v Speaker 1>and pants and stuff like that. Man, it's really great

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:13.760
<v Speaker 1>to see you. I'm glad to see that you're doing well.

0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:16.800
<v Speaker 1>And we got to stay in touch more than texting

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:17.760
<v Speaker 1>each other every three.

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:18.279
<v Speaker 3>Years or so.

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:21.760
<v Speaker 1>We're always in some random cool spot in the world,

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 1>usually at the same time. You know, different parts of

0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:26.839
<v Speaker 1>the world, but we're always doing something fun together and

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 1>I've always wanted to have you on the podcast, and

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:31.000
<v Speaker 1>when you reached out that you were coming through Prescott,

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I got to make that work because I'm

0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:35.439
<v Speaker 1>around for one day and we were able to pull

0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:37.359
<v Speaker 1>it off. So, man, thank you so much for being

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:41.359
<v Speaker 1>on the podcast. Yeah, we'll do it again. We thank

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 1>you all for listening. We'll talk to you next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, great,