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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nola.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: you are you. You are here. That makes this the

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Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. It is the

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Speaker 3: top of the week. Happy May sixth to everybody tuning in,

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Speaker 3: Happy May the fourth and so on. We knew we

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Speaker 3: had to start tonight's program with well, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of stuff we have to get to, but first I

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Speaker 3: think we can all agree there is some incredibly important

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Speaker 3: out about. The rumors are true. Our long standing dream

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Speaker 3: has finally come to fruition. Gentlemen, folks, people, conspiracy realist, everybody.

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Speaker 3: You can now gamble at Dave and Busters what very

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Speaker 3: soon you can wait.

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Speaker 4: So this is what I wanted to clarify. Ben. I

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Speaker 4: saw this. You said it to our group text.

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Speaker 5: It said something about gambling on arcade machines. Do this

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Speaker 5: mean you'll be placing bets on like Street Fighter?

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad you asked, because here is how it works.

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Speaker 3: You get the DMB app, which obviously all of us

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Speaker 3: already have, and then you, through the app, you can

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Speaker 3: make what they call friendly wagers.

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Speaker 4: Ah. Yes, I love a friendly wager.

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Speaker 3: Games that people are played during to the Dave and

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Speaker 3: Buster's statement quote, customers can soon make a friendly five

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Speaker 3: dollars wager on a hot shots basketball game, a bet

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Speaker 3: on a ski ball competition, or on another arcade game.

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Speaker 3: The betting function is expected to launch in the next

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Speaker 3: few months. So if you have ever been getting house

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Speaker 3: drunk with your adult friends at Dave and Busters and

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Speaker 3: decided to put some money on one of the kids

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Speaker 3: playing ski ball, your time has come.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, eight chocolate shoe choose deep? I got So?

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Speaker 5: Is this like only being rolled out in states where

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Speaker 5: gambling is legal, or because you're using an app? Is

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Speaker 5: it somehow a loopholey kind of thing?

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Speaker 4: Well? Yeah, this is very confusing.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about this because I wanted to surprise you

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Speaker 3: guys on air given the gravity of this news. However,

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Speaker 3: got too excited a little bit sleep deprived. As Ever,

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Speaker 3: it looks like they did loophole it. As we're talking

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Speaker 3: draftking stuff works. Regardless, it looks like that's what Dave

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Speaker 3: and Busters is doing. Because from what I can tell,

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Speaker 3: and Dave Buster please write and big fans correct us

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Speaker 3: if we're wrong here. But from what we can tell,

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Speaker 3: it seems that this is going to take place in

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Speaker 3: every DMB location, including our own, so we may have

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Speaker 3: to change our weekend.

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Speaker 5: Trapping dangerous, dude, dangerous. Imagine people losing their shirt betting

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Speaker 3: I can I can't. I mean, like, okay, first off,

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Speaker 3: is Dave and Busters not only like jokes aside? Is

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Speaker 5: I mean you could argue, I mean, they would probably

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Speaker 5: argue that Dave and Busters is for families. You know,

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Speaker 4: But I don't know who's to say.

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Speaker 3: Well, before the courts get to it, I guess the

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Speaker 3: as someone who has bet on reruns of Legends of

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Speaker 5: A lot of pressure if someone's putting money on your

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine being seriously, can you imagine being like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Or you see some kid fail miserably, and

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Speaker 3: So I wonder if they're gonna have to do the

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Speaker 3: as we were saying, there is there's much more and

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Speaker 3: We are going to We're going to learn a little

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Speaker 3: some other things. Not all of it is terrible, but

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Speaker 3: campus protest, and we have returned one of the first

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Speaker 3: stories we wanted to cover this evening. It's something that

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Speaker 3: everybody in the United States has heard about. You have

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Speaker 3: In recent days, starting April seventeenth of this year, the

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Speaker 3: all regarding the war, the Israel Hamas war, and these

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Speaker 3: Have you guys been keeping eyes on the protest on

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Speaker 5: Absolutely been one of the biggest, I guess, most egregious

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Speaker 6: Very reasonable exercising.

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Speaker 5: Of you know, our right, our rights as Americans to protest.

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Speaker 5: I just it's suspicious to me. I don't get it

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Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, my attention has been pretty sharply focused on

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Speaker 3: Which just got breached because they had the temerity to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's an interesting echo of the past in

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Speaker 5: But doesn't it just feel completely out of balance with

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Speaker 6: Like an enemy of the state. It's just it's I

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Speaker 6: But all of that feels to me to be a

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Speaker 3: And fury signifying very little. Yeah, I'm glad you mention

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Speaker 3: Strap in. I'll read as quick as I can. New York, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: the three to one three aka Rock City aka Motown

437
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: aka Detroit, Michigan.

438
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 4: Citro. Is that a thing Detroit? What did I hear that?

439
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 7: In?

440
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 5: Like a stand out, like a comedy thing. I don't

441
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 5: know what that's from. Dope like that must be it?

442
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: Did you say the city of champions, Ben? I just

443
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 2: learned about that back in the day, back in the

444
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: thirties when Detroit had all the best teams.

445
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,719
Speaker 6: It's still pretty good, right, The Lion's quite good, I'm sure.

446
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 4: Well, they're very blue wise.

447
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 3: We believe in things and support.

448
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 7: The playoffs.

449
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 2: Thank you.

450
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 7: We were bad for a long time. I will not

451
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 7: tolerate any lionslander.

452
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: Lias Slander, I said, it's good to believe in people

453
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: and support things.

454
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 4: It's sort of an angel in the outfield.

455
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: No, it's funny there.

456
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: Were mentioning that because I think I texted you Alexis

457
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: at some point. Maybe I was doing the playoff things.

458
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 3: I was texting some Detroit friends, and every single person

459
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 3: from Detroit, including our friend Lucky Yates, doubled down. The

460
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 3: residents of Detroit have a great and well earned pride

461
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 3: in their city, and I always think we should explore

462
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 3: it more. Just like the car stuff days, I just

463
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 3: want to go see the packerd stuff, you know from

464
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 3: the per Company.

465
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: Look, so, if you're like me and you don't know

466
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: much about Detroit, you may remember the enthralling film eight Miles,

467
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: starring Marshall Mathers as an aspiring young battle rap artist.

468
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: And if you'd like to imagine where this story is

469
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: going to take place, just put your mind on that

470
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: titular road from that cinematic masterpiece and then travel approximately

471
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: seven miles northeast too fifteen mile road and the address

472
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Speaker 2: is one nine one zero zero fifteen mile Road in

473
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Speaker 2: Clinton Township. Clinton Township. Well, maybe you know more about

474
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: this Alexis than we do. It appears to be in

475
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: the greater Metropolitan Area of Detroit, like the city, but

476
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: it is a township, so I don't know if it

477
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: would be considered like a whole separate thing.

478
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 7: Clinton Township is definitely like a considered a separate city

479
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 7: is not considered Detroit. It's very far from Detroit. As

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00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 7: you said, it's like seven miles northeast. It's like up

481
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Speaker 7: you go like up ninety four to ninety four starts

482
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Speaker 7: going north instead of like east and west, and then

483
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 7: you get up to fourteen mile and that's where Clinton

484
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 7: Township starts. So definitely definitely not Detroit and even further

485
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Speaker 7: away from some of the other suburbs that are closer

486
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Speaker 7: to Detroit than like border eight mile.

487
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Speaker 3: Godd you call it an excerp than in that regard,

488
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 3: I actually much.

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Speaker 7: Of anything, because I don't really think about Clinton Township.

490
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 4: But I.

491
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 7: It's not a shade, but it's just it's far away.

492
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 7: It's considered far away.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I heard that Clinton Township email anyway, all right.

494
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: So let's just maybe you've never been to one nine

495
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: one zero zero fifteen mile road in Clinton Township, where

496
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Speaker 2: if you do travel there now you will find a

497
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: charred barren slab where once a building stood. And guys,

498
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: I link to a picture there so you can look

499
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: at this building. It's a single sizable building that has

500
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: an entrance right in the center, and then it has

501
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: two businesses inside that one building. On the left you'll

502
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: find Dollar Palace, and on the right you will find

503
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: a place that just says Goo g oo. And you

504
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: may be curious as to what that means or stands for. Well,

505
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: well it's called the Goo Smoke Shop slash as it

506
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: has two businesses, select distributors wholesale.

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00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 6: Hmmm uh.

508
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: And if you did go there when the building is

509
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: a vape situation, Ah, yes, okay, is it ye old

510
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: smoke shop? And if you had traveled there at the

511
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: time and then you saw this smoldering pile, that is

512
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: that area? Now you may be asking yourself again.

513
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 5: This barren slab, if you will, I got I gotta

514
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 5: give you props on that turn of frame by the way,

515
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 5: please carry you sure.

516
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: Somebody else used it better than me. I've just put

517
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: words together there. If you might be wondering what the

518
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: heck happened here, well it all goes back to what

519
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: was available for purchase at this good old goose smoke shop,

520
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: and more importantly, what the goo.

521
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 6: I just want to give me that goo.

522
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: I think that's why I worked for him for so long.

523
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: But more importantly, what was distributed by those select distributors

524
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: wholesale So if we if we imagine the inside of

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00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: a smoke shop, Guys, I think we've done this exercise before.

526
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: But what are you gonna find in there?

527
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 4: Hookah stuff?

528
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: You will find, tinctures. You will find a lot of vapes.

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00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: You will probably find vape refilled device or paraphernalia. Juice

530
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: you might juice, you might find to pay on the states.

531
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: You might find some CBD stuff. Some PC stuff.

532
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: Is very popular, so like subplax supplements, snacks, sometimes, some prophylactics,

533
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: some glassware, some metal and wooden products, and lots and

534
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: lots of things that are probably flammable.

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Speaker 5: I would say, like those coals that you get for

536
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 5: for hookah setups.

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00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: Those things are half half empty cans of paint with

538
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 3: whally rags hanging out.

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00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 5: Oh wait a minute, let's talk about pressurized butane canisters.

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00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: I've seen now that this is where we get to

541
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: the wholesale distributors. Here they sold large containers of butane,

542
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: which is a very flammable substance used to fill all

543
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: kinds of things that set fires. Right, so lighters of

544
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: all shapes and style exactly, and also, interestingly enough, guys,

545
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: crap ton of nitrous oxide which is an odorless, colorless,

546
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 2: non flammable gas, but it treats fire a lot like

547
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: oxygen does. It can be used as to fuel a

548
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: fire the way oxygen does, but not in the same

549
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: way as a buttane would, right, it would all of

550
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: a sudden ignite.

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00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: It functions as a propellant, though you're saying.

552
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: It does precisely, and that is a whole I think

553
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: that is maybe the crux of this story, those two substances,

554
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: butane and nitrous oxide. Let's go to a story that is, honestly, guys,

555
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: is a bit stale at this point, but it got

556
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: renewed by another story we're going to bring in at

557
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: the end here. But this is a story from March

558
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: sixth out of the Washington Post. Explosion at vape supplier

559
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: kills teen and flings gas canisters up to a mile.

560
00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: This is insane, guys. Back on March fifth, I guess

561
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: between March fifth and sixth, there was some kind of

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00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: fire that began, which is still under investigation as we

563
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: record today. On Wednesday, May first, there was a fire

564
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: at this location. Whether it was inside the building right

565
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: behind the building, there's some information on that coming out,

566
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 2: but it took place at this location, and it ignited

567
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: all of these giant buttane canisters and the nitrous oxide canisters,

568
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: and it even superheated all of those like vape batteries,

569
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: all of those very powerful batteries that were located inside.

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Speaker 6: Which they won't even let you bring in a check.

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00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 4: Bag, you know, on an airplane, right.

572
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: Because of the pressure changes and the possibility of fires. Well,

573
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: there was such a massive explosion. You can see videos

574
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: of this thing if you look online. It was almost

575
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: you guys have seen videos of like a fireworks factory

576
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: catching on fire, and just the kind of the chain

577
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: continuous explosions that are occurring in some of them very small,

578
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: some of them larger. You guys have seen something like that.

579
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 4: Absolutely sure.

580
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: It was like that, but with metal canisters being shot

581
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: into the air and exploding, So there's shrapnel being fired

582
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: for a mile around in a mile radius, sometimes up

583
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: to two miles. There would be canisters found on roofs

584
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: or embedded in the ground. And there was one unfortunate

585
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 2: person who was nineteen years old who was standing literally

586
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: a quarter of a mile away from this explosion at

587
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: a gas station and a piece of shrapnel caused his

588
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: life to end. Insane, terrible, horrible situation for that one person.

589
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: And also imagine just walking outside where you live and

590
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: seeing this in the distance and hearing this with these constant,

591
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 2: consistent explosions. It was so loud that the fire chief

592
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: there in Clinton Township, this guy named Tim Duncan, said

593
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: he could hear the explosion from his house, which is

594
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: seven miles away, roughly before he ever got deployed, you know,

595
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: to go check out what the heck was going on?

596
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: Do we know the cause?

597
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: The cause was improperly stored giant containers of butane and

598
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: nitrous oxide, so definitely accidental. Uh well, I didn't say that.

599
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: Okay, improper storage, but I guess technically then by that

600
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: definition you could purposely improperly store stuff. But yes, where

601
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: are we going with this?

602
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 2: Well, okay, I'm going to jump to something from the

603
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: Macombe Daily m ACMB Daily. This is what they say.

604
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: Authority said the building was not supposed to contain these

605
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: butane and nitrous oxide tanks that were found on the property,

606
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: and during the last inspection in twenty twenty two, none

607
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: of those canisters were there. If they were there, they

608
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: would have gotten a like hit for that right with

609
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: serious fines. Because of the way this business is zoned.

610
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: It's not zoned for industrial use and storing that those

611
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: kinds of materials would fall into industrial use. It does appear,

612
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: or at least according to these officials, the building didn't

613
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,959
Speaker 2: have the proper safety structures in place to house those

614
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: types of tanks of materials, so.

615
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: Like fire suppression would be an example.

616
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think it also has to do with

617
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: temperature and other potential you know, possibilities there are for

618
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: damage to be done to those just one of those

619
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: containers which could set off a chain reaction like it

620
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: did copy. And one of the big scary things at

621
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: the time when this was first happening was that there

622
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 2: were unexploded canisters of both butane and nitrous oxide that

623
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: were like lying on the ground as we said, or

624
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: like just you know, landed on a roof, and residents

625
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: were trying to recover them or dispose of them. But

626
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: some of them were ruptured, like the metal containers ruptured

627
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: so they could explode, or they a few of them

628
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: did explode, so it was like grenades. They were just

629
00:36:59,080 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: left all around.

630
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 5: Dude, I mean, and this is obviously hugely dangerous for

631
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 5: surrounding properties and anybody that might happen to be walking by.

632
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 5: I mean, these things could be weaponized and launched, you know,

633
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 5: out of windows, and it would chatter and really seriously

634
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 5: injure or kill anyone that happened to be around when

635
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 5: this went down.

636
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, one hundred percent, super dangerous, super scary.

637
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 6: Matt, isn't there kind of there's a twist here coming, right.

638
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: There's a twist. Let's get to the twist. So Ben,

639
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: you asked, like, what caused it, how did it happen?

640
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: And ultimately who's responsible for this thing? Because it did

641
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: damage other businesses and homes and property and it killed

642
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: a human being. Jesus Okay, Well, the owner initially on

643
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: the day that it happened, I guess the night that

644
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: it happened, the owner of this these two businesses was

645
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: in contact with both the police there in Clinton Township

646
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: and the fire department and some of the city officials.

647
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: So this person immediately like was reached out to and

648
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: they were speaking and they were on good terms. But

649
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: then on Saturday, April twentieth, so this is early March

650
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: when this occurred. Right on Saturday April twentieth. The owner

651
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: of these companies attempted to flee not just you know,

652
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: the Detroit area, but the United States for Hong Kong,

653
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: which is pretty I don't know, doesn't look good. Maybe

654
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Speaker 2: attempt to flee the Clinton.

655
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 3: Town Well was it a round trip ticket?

656
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: No, it was not. It was a one way ticket.

657
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 5: Is is this a national Like, what's this person's citizenship

658
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 5: status or you know, visa status or I'm just curious

659
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 5: if they are US.

660
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, citizen of the United States. The man's name

661
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: is Newer n R nol n O E L S

662
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: two kestwo k E S t Uo. This is a

663
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: thirty one year old person. He lives in Commerce Township,

664
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: which is also there in the Detroit area. And yeah,

665
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: he tried to use his passport to go from JFK

666
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: in New York City to Hong Kong and basically the

667
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: Clint Township PD let the authorities there at JFK International

668
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: note and they picked him up.

669
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 5: Oh Greek, it may sound like maybe Greek etymology, Okay, anyway,

670
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 5: but yeah, so that makes sense.

671
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: He got he got stopped with a one way ticket,

672
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: which does provide reasonable suspicion that someone be attempting to

673
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 3: flee the country exactly.

674
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 5: And I'm sorry, this is how long after the actual

675
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 5: uh you know, he.

676
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 3: Said April twentieth closure explosion on March fourth, right, so

677
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: he put some time in there.

678
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, March fifth, sixth up to April twentieth, and then

679
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: it took like four or five days for the detectives

680
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: in the township there near Detroit to go and get

681
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: him from New York and bring him back where he

682
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: was then arraigned on Thursday day, April twenty fifth, in

683
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: court in charge with one count of involuntary manslaughter.

684
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,479
Speaker 4: Ooh, which is.

685
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: Gonna plea cannabis induced psychosis?

686
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: I hope not. I don't think so. I don't know

687
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: how that would work there. But is a felony charge

688
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: and it has a maximum sentence of fifteen years.

689
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 5: So this is at this point we're thinking more of

690
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 5: a negligence case, you know, someone that wasn't storing their

691
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 5: inventory correctly or is there any suspicion of a foul

692
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 5: play in terms of trying to you know, burn down

693
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 5: for the insurance money or whatever.

694
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: It was illegal possession and improper storage of nitrous oxide

695
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: and butane cans.

696
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 6: Niger's oxide is not something you sell at smoke shops.

697
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 4: That's illegal, no, right it is.

698
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 5: People will huff that like a you know, to look

699
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 5: at the fish parking lot out of balloons.

700
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: This is the second twist, you guys, Maybe we need

701
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: to do a whole episode on this. There there is

702
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: an entire section of this story that we're not even

703
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: going to fully get to today. Is the number of

704
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: nitrous oxide large We're talking like foot tall tanks, nitrous

705
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: oxide tanks that look like buttane refillers, just like if

706
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: you you know, size them up by four sure, and

707
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: they are designed to and it says on the Goo

708
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: distributors like websites that they sell all these things. They

709
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: were for sale on Walmart dot com, they were for

710
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: sale on Amazon. They're huge. You are supposed to, at

711
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: least according to the creators of these products. Connect it

712
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: up to one of your whipped cream maker machines.

713
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 6: Whippets them to people call them whippets and.

714
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: Make whip cream. That's what they sell them for. That's

715
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: what they're designed for.

716
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 3: During the depression, when you could buy frozen grapejruice concentrate

717
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: with explicit directions on what not to do to make

718
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 3: it wine. Yeah.

719
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, guys, there's such a demand for this nitrous

720
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: oxide in not only the Detroit area. Don't want to

721
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 2: aligned Detroit, in all of the United States, you guys

722
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: that at smoke shops. Now the most profitable item that

723
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: exists in smoke shops is nitrous oxide.

724
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 3: Data.

725
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 5: It's're legal to sell if as long as it's like

726
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 5: you can't tell what someone's gonna do with it. But

727
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 5: there's all kinds of loopholes we know with those lab

728
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 5: chemicals or things like what was it called spice, remember

729
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 5: that where it was marketed as like this is not

730
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 5: for human consumption, We'll only use this as an incense

731
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 5: or something.

732
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, or then you know, I mean, it's

733
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 3: it's a problem people grapple with because you can't stop

734
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: selling people, you know, cigarette lighters on the off chance

735
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: that one person might use a lighter to start a

736
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: forest fire.

737
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 5: Well, and to be fair, if anyone's watched the Bear

738
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 5: or any like fancy cooking competition, they use these nitrous

739
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 5: canisters all the time to make foams of any variety,

740
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 5: not just whipped cream, you know, So there does need

741
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 5: should be and people who are using it for the

742
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 5: right reasons, have every right to get stuff, but massive

743
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 5: tanks of it in a smoke shop. The know gourmet

744
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 5: is shopping there for this product.

745
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 4: People whi cream.

746
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: It's just weird. It does very weird for me. It's

747
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: just strange, right, and it was very strange for the

748
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: for the township fire chief Tim Duncan. That you can

749
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: hear remarks from him, well, not these particular remarks, but

750
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: remarks from him during a press conference that was given

751
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: on March fifth. You can find that on YouTube via

752
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: the Clinton Township Community TV YouTube channel. But here's a

753
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: quote Tim Duncan gave when speaking with Detroit Free Press.

754
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 6: Quote.

755
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: What people are finding out is the community at large

756
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 2: has a large desire for nitrous oxide and they can

757
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: make a lot of money off selling these things. We're

758
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: trying to get out there and make sure people are

759
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: using this in the appropriate fashion, which I don't know

760
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: how you do that, honestly, mister Duncan. But the nitrous

761
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: is supposed to be used for the food service end

762
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: of the industry, and obviously we're seeing that simply not

763
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: what's happening. And this is problem not simply in Clinton Township,

764
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: but it's throughout the state with the quantities that we

765
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: had in this building. This per he's talking about the

766
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: owner here, he's sending them somewhere. Now it's time to

767
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 2: uncover where are they going. I thought that was just

768
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: an interesting thing. It's it's following the rabbit hole basically

769
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 2: because the ATF is heavily involved in this case now

770
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: because of that nitrous oxide.

771
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 3: As they should be.

772
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you're right, map this is there's a lot

773
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 5: of things wrapped up in this one story, a lot

774
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 5: of questions. But it reminds me of I don't know

775
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 5: if you another item that used to be maybe not anymore,

776
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 5: but sold at like smoke shops or maybe like kind

777
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 5: of sex type shops was video cassette head cleaner, which

778
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 5: if used in a certain way is poppers, which is

779
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 5: a you know drug that is used often for sexual

780
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 5: purposes that can you know, cause like euphoria and other

781
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 5: kinds of you know effects that are good for sexy times.

782
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 5: But they're marketed and you know it can be used

783
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 5: to clean the heads of your VCR.

784
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: I had no I had zero idea about that. What

785
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 2: is the chemical? Well, there's uh amial nitrate.

786
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 6: It's amal nitrate. That's that's what poppers are.

787
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 5: But I think whatever video head cleaner is, it's got

788
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 5: similar properties.

789
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 4: But I don't think it's exactly.

790
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 3: That amalka trade and other nitrates can be sold that way.

791
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 5: That's right, Yeah, exactly, So well, I'm not sure there's

792
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 5: different ones, but like audio, video head cleaner is tantamount

793
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 5: to the same effects as anal nitrate.

794
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: Weird, very weird. All right, Well, hey, guys, any any

795
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: of their last thoughts on this one?

796
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 4: They used to call them Amy's in the sixties.

797
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 5: No, No, Matt, this is a wild ride, and I

798
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 5: really do think there's a lot to unpack here that

799
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 5: would probably be worthy of a deeper exploration.

800
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 2: Okay, Alex, is anything else you need to say about

801
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: Detroit before we get out?

802
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 4: All right?

803
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: Go right, all right, we'll be right back with more

804
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: strange news.

805
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 6: And we're back with our last story of the day.

806
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 5: Kind of had to have a bit of a misery

807
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 5: sandwich on our hands today. Not that Matt's story wasn't

808
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 5: heavy in its own right, but I think it was

809
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 5: what do we call it on the text chain, A

810
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 5: lighter shade of nightmare fuel. A lot of actual fuel

811
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 5: in that story too, But we've obviously discussed at length

812
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 5: many of the accusations, both confirmed and alleged, you know,

813
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 5: against the Catholic Church and high ranking officials when it

814
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 5: comes to sexual abuse of children, you know, that have

815
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 5: been covered up, brushed under the rug, allowed to continue indefinitely. Well,

816
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 5: let's just up the anteus a little bit. As if

817
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 5: that weren't enough, why don't we.

818
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 6: Add child sex trafficking proper.

819
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 5: To the lists of accusations and that are very very

820
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 5: very much on the edge of being fully proven. In

821
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 5: New Orleans, the New Orleans Archdiocese is the target of

822
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 5: a child sex trafficking inquiry. Louisiana State Police served search

823
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 5: warrants on the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New Orleans in

824
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 5: what's to be the beginnings of a massive, unprecedented sweeping

825
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 5: probe of this organization. These warrants were recently served alleging

826
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 5: that for decades, the institution has been involved not only

827
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 5: in the church's global clergy child molestation scandal, but also

828
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 5: in something even more as you would say, been unclean,

829
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 5: the trafficking and shipment and use and abuse of minors

830
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 5: for the sexual gratification of predators, often high ranking officials

831
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 5: within the church. Reading from a article in The Guardian

832
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 5: by Ramon Antonio Vargas in New Orleans and David Hammer

833
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 5: of WWL in Louisiana, which is a TV news channel,

834
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 5: this is the primary source that I have for this,

835
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 5: so I'm just going to read pretty liberally from this

836
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 5: to start.

837
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 4: But the article starts.

838
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 5: The clerk at the state Criminal Courthouse where the warrant

839
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 5: was signed released the eleven page document on Tuesday. It

840
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 5: makes clear that troopers involved an appending rave prosecution case

841
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 5: against one priest came to suspect that particular case was

842
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 5: part of a broader pattern of widespread sexual abuse of

843
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 5: minors dating back decades that was covered up and not

844
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 5: reported to law enforcement.

845
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 4: Goes on to note that.

846
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 5: Previous archbishops, the highest ranking official in the archdiocese, not

847
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 5: only knew of the sexual abuse and failed to report

848
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 5: all the claims to law enforcement, but spent archdiocese funding

849
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 5: to actually support the accused, and within the language of

850
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 5: the warrants, any and all documents were required to be

851
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,479
Speaker 5: produced that pertain in any way to the sexual abuse

852
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 5: of a minor by clergy members employed or otherwise associated

853
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 5: with the Archdiocese of New Orleans, and the implication there

854
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 5: is that these records are believed to constitute a violation

855
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 5: of the state's laws against trafficking of children for sexual purposes.

856
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 5: It also demands any and all communications between the Archbishop

857
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 5: of New Orleans and any department within the Vatican. So

858
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 5: they're trying to kind of breach that air gap, you know,

859
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 5: into the wider organization any department within the Vatican pertaining

860
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 5: to child sexual abuse, among various other files.

861
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 3: And so this is on the heels of what some

862
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 3: earlier reports that were apparently buried or suppressed or board.

863
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 5: That's right, attorneys for victims of sexual abuse perpetrated by

864
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 5: clergy were given access to the documents that formed kind

865
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 5: of the basis of what's called the Key Memo. And

866
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 5: that's because in these cases their clients became part of

867
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 5: a bankruptcy proceeding against the church. So I think those

868
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 5: lawyers that were handling the memo to law enforcement in

869
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, that's when federal investigators, with the aid

870
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 5: of state troopers, started to look further into what these

871
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 5: memo kind of pointed to. So at this point, says

872
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 5: they began investigating New Orleans clergy for possibly violating federal

873
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 5: law by taking children across state lines.

874
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Speaker 6: For the purposes of sexual abuse.

875
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 4: Dude, no, no, no, I know, I know. They talk about some specifics.

876
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 5: Additionally, it was reported that in some instances, gifts were

877
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 5: given to abuse victims by the accused molesters with instructions

878
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 5: to pass on.

879
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 4: This is chilling to pass.

880
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 5: On or give the gift to certain priests at the

881
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 5: next school or church. It was said that the gift

882
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 5: was a form of signaling to another priest that the

883
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 5: person was to be a target of sexual abuse.

884
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 6: And there apparently it's a system, guys.

885
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 3: Of course, there often is, and there was an associated

886
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: press investigation dating back to like twenty nineteen. The law

887
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 3: knew about this, it appears yea.

888
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 4: It would appear.

889
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 6: So it just feels like an escalation to me.

890
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 5: And you know, and if it's happening here, it's the

891
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 5: kind of thing that doesn't feel isolated. It feels like

892
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 5: with these types of systematic elements to identify like this

893
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 5: was designed to be a network.

894
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 3: With enough passing of the buck or just moving someone

895
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 3: a town or a country over. I would also imagine

896
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of us, unfortunately have to think

897
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 3: about this and how experienced one of this firsthand. Folks,

898
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 3: if you have only lived in the United States, please

899
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 3: be aware there are many other countries with a far

900
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 3: looser grasp on the idea of rule of law. And indeed,

901
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 3: in some of those parts of the world, regions, countries

902
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: wherever you want to call it, the institution of the

903
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 3: Catholic Church functions in the role of the state and

904
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 3: has a lot of power, yes well.

905
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 5: And also a looser grasp of consent or or a

906
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 5: lot less emphasis placed on what that might look like.

907
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: Consent does not enter the equation. These are monsters and

908
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 3: these are victims. This is unfortunately, this is one of

909
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 3: those things like we're talking about earlier in this evening's program.

910
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 3: People want an uncomplicated narrative, well organized child abuse rings

911
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: We posit are an uncomplicated narrative. These people need to

912
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 3: be brought.

913
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: Down, Yeah, absolutely, really quickly. I just want to mention

914
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: something else that's in that memo, which is not as

915
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: bad as the trafficking we're discussing here, but it is

916
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: this type of insidious behavior that existed, at least in

917
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: this case with the Archbishop of New Orleans. This guy

918
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: named Gregory Amond, according to that memo, had previously made

919
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: settlements with people so victims who claimed that a particular

920
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: priest had molested them, and he authorized with official like

921
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: church budgets to settlements, one for one hundred and twenty

922
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars, another for one hundred thousand dollars to

923
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: resolve these situations out of court so they become secrets.

924
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 2: The church essentially bought people's silence.

925
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 4: Ye right, that I.

926
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 3: Mean, I will say that you can sign an NDA

927
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 3: that can be enforced like this out of court settlement,

928
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 3: that agreement that doesn't really hold water if you're in

929
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 3: da is agreeing to not check those but it's intimidation

930
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: tactics as well, this very powerful institution. Of course, not

931
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 3: all Catholics are evil, just no, forget that part.

932
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 5: But this is we've all expressed tenuous relationships with the

933
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 5: idea of settling out of court in general, especially when

934
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 5: it comes to bringing powerful individuals and organizations to task.

935
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,959
Speaker 5: It just feels like a get out of jail free

936
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 5: card and like a sweep everything under the rug card.

937
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 3: Kendrick Lamar just taught me that apparently Drake had a

938
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: five hundred something thousand dollars out of court settlement related

939
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 3: to the long running rumors that he has attempted to

940
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 3: groom young and underage women.

941
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 5: Not to be that guy, but he strikes me as

942
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 5: that not being that far from the truth. I don't know,

943
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 5: never matter what it is about him, there's something that's

944
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 5: skeeaky about that guy. I don't know what it is,

945
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 5: but I'm glad we're mentioning Drake, not Kendrick.

946
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 3: We'll glad we're mentioning the out of court settlements guys.

947
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: Just the whole point of for me is speaking of

948
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 2: systems right that are in place, this practice of taking

949
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 2: in insane amounts of money from all of the people

950
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: that attend all of the churches right in one place,

951
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: like let's say New Orleans or that area whatever the

952
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: archbishop presides over, taking in that money from all of

953
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 2: your parishioners, using it due to silence those who either

954
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: speak up or you know, get abused or get abused

955
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: and speak up right, and you know.

956
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 5: That we you know, again, we talked about how sometimes

957
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 5: some of this stuff it just feels like the movies.

958
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 4: But people that get just hung like.

959
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 5: Power mad, and who are like I can do whatever

960
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 5: I want, because I am the mouth, I am the

961
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 5: voice of God.

962
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 4: You know, I am connected.

963
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 5: Therefore I cannot be judged by the laws of.

964
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 4: Man, you know.

965
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 5: And I think there's probably a genuine delusional belief.

966
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 4: Amongst some of these circles. That is the case me.

967
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 3: But I prayed about it. I read some The only

968
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 3: word for it is I read some infernal things regarding

969
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 3: activities at the Vatican. And the network spans right and

970
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: there are documented cases wherein people were saying that these victims,

971
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: these children were tempting them, or was Satan tempting them,

972
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,479
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And maybe they really did

973
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 3: believe that rationalization, but it doesn't make their actions not monstrous.

974
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 3: I am very I am not in favor of rehabilitative acts.

975
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 3: This is a take them down situation kind of thing

976
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 3: for me, just because again we see an established network.

977
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 3: We see one that has been able to practice to

978
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 3: a degree what we will call regulatory capture, which is

979
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 3: control over state and law enforcement institutions. And if this

980
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 3: is horrific, our thoughts are with all the victims, all

981
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 3: their loved ones, family members, But please please understand this

982
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 3: is happening in the United states, and it shows us,

983
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 3: It shows us the statistical inevitability that even worse things

984
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 3: are happening in places that have more compromised governments. This

985
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 3: is just horrific.

986
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 6: And again, yeah, people are learning to speak with whales.

987
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 3: Though. If we need good.

988
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 4: News, Ben, can we please? That's all I've got to say.

989
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 4: I washed my hand. Now, I don't wash my hands

990
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 4: of it.

991
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 5: This is something that needs to you know, these people

992
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 5: need to be dragged out into the light, and no

993
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 5: one should ever wash their hands of making sure these

994
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 5: people see justice. But I washed my hands of this

995
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 5: story for the moment, just to wash the ick off.

996
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 5: I need a shower. Could we maybe like swim with

997
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 5: the whales for a minute them.

998
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, just for a second. We can tell you

999
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 3: in good news for fans of animals in a world first.

1000
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 3: This April, scientists had a conversation with a humpback whale.

1001
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 3: What did they talk about? Here's the thing, They're not

1002
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 3: totally sure. I wish that'd be an amazing I can't.

1003
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 3: Can you imagine if extraterrestrials land and they're really really

1004
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 3: hot about something that's familiar on their planet, and they

1005
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 3: just only want to talk about that. I love that idea, Like,

1006
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 3: what if they you know, because I guess the way

1007
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 3: time and space work, they're a little behind right in

1008
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 3: musical trends, the way like Europe is continually catching up

1009
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 3: to us musical trends. I said it, whoa, that is

1010
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 3: in fact a hot take.

1011
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 4: One might argue the opposite. I'm with you.

1012
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: It depends on which genres we're talking about.

1013
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: But what if their equivalent of Avatar III is about

1014
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: to release, so they just came here to like get

1015
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: some hype going.

1016
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 3: They'll say, you don't really have to watch the first two. Yeah,

1017
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 3: apologies to Europe, of course, the Europe leads the way

1018
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 3: and so many of these things. I'm glad you didn't

1019
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 3: let me slide on that one, Nold. But here's what happened.

1020
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 3: The an animal behaviorists named Josie Hubbard. Her and her

1021
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 3: group have been working with a humpback whale named Twain

1022
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 3: and in the off the coast of Alaska. These six

1023
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 3: scientists were basically doing something that I'm sure a lot

1024
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 3: of us have done with animals in our neck of

1025
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 3: the woods. They were taking recordings of an actual animal communicating,

1026
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 3: and they were playing it back in this case, they

1027
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 3: were playing it back into the void of the waters

1028
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 3: off the coast of Alaska, playing humpback sounds and hoping

1029
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 3: to humpback whale answered them. And humans actually don't know

1030
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 3: very much about the whales at this time, so this

1031
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 3: is the first time they managed to get in a

1032
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 3: conversation with it. And it's kind of like if you

1033
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: were talking to someone online and you were using a

1034
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,439
Speaker 3: set of emojis that you don't understand, but they were

1035
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 3: responding and you just sort of kept trying to respond

1036
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 3: with their replies. It's like large language model thing almost.

1037
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 3: So the next step is to figure out what the

1038
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 3: conversation was about. But apparently it went.

1039
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, I heard just a snippet of it just now, Ben,

1040
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 2: as you're driving it, just the yeah, these interesting sounds

1041
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 2: that were emitted by the scientists, and then the response

1042
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: that's very different but similar.

1043
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like following up right, Yeah, they hit you

1044
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 3: back with some more emoji. We know that the cetaceans

1045
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 3: are incredibly intelligent. We know that, as hippy as it

1046
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 3: may sounds, we know that personhood should not be a

1047
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 3: concept restricted entirely to this one brand of primate. But

1048
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 3: it would be amazing to be able to decode this.

1049
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 3: They're using AI now, it's one of the few good

1050
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 3: uses of AI to try to decipher this situation to

1051
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 3: see if they can get to a Rosetta stone. But

1052
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 3: whales are so like they have accents, they have gangs,

1053
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 3: they have little clicks.

1054
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 4: They do cool little hand signals.

1055
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, a hand signal, which is wild because who knows

1056
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 3: where they get the hands they're getting from somewhere.

1057
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 5: Oh, I know, I always love that Kravana get lyne

1058
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 5: about how like dolphins have fins because they evolved so

1059
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 5: they couldn't hold machine guns, you know, and made them

1060
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 5: inherently more peaceful.

1061
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 4: That's the peaceful whales. No machine guns in those fins.

1062
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 3: Well with this, folks, We really appreciate your time. As always,

1063
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 3: we're all in this together. We want to hear from

1064
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 3: you regarding any of these stories we have explored. We

1065
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 3: want to hear what you think Wales would say. Honestly. Also,

1066
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 3: I think it would be hilarious if extra terrestrials landed

1067
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 3: and they weren't that impressive, like they had only worked

1068
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 3: out space travel and everything else that we had done

1069
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 3: amazed them. They would be like velcrow.

1070
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 4: Whoa sparkling water? What is all this glittery stuff in

1071
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 4: the ocean?

1072
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 3: Oh boy, they're probably just going to talk to the whales.

1073
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 3: But in the meantime you can talk to us. We'd

1074
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 3: love to hear from you. We try to be easy

1075
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 3: to find online.

1076
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,400
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1077
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 5: this on Facebook, on YouTube or we have video content

1078
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Speaker 5: rolling out every single week and on x FKA Twitter,

1079
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 5: on Instagram and TikTok boy, can you ever find us

1080
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 5: at the handle Conspiracy Stuff Show?

1081
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,360
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1082
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:20,440
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1083
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,439
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1084
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,600
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1085
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,920
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1086
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,000
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1087
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,160
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1088
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Speaker 2: got more to say than can fit in that three minutes,

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Speaker 2: why not instead send us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: We are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff they Don't Want You to Know is a production

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Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts, from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.