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Speaker 4: And here it is a Tuesday, a beautiful Tuesday morning.
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Speaker 4: And wow, what a great day. There needs to be
Speaker 4: football players on the football field today.
Speaker 5: We have rules, Bill, I think I think they deserve
Speaker 5: a day off, but they do.
Speaker 4: But it's such a nice day, I say, finally got
Speaker 4: rid of the.
Speaker 5: Can you guys hear me?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 4: I can hear you.
Speaker 5: Can you not hear us?
Speaker 4: Okay, well we'll work on that.
Speaker 5: Problem right here.
Speaker 2: We'll just speak up.
Speaker 5: Why not try?
Speaker 4: You won't be able to hear the phone calls today?
Speaker 5: The phone calls?
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right? So basking in the glory of a
Speaker 4: Sunday night wind still Mickey Spagnola, did you get a
Speaker 4: good night's sleep? I did, okay, very good.
Speaker 7: Cat napped all the way through the Monday night football game.
Speaker 2: But I made it to the end, yes.
Speaker 5: But didn't make it to the end.
Speaker 4: He did the breaking I had the moment that was
Speaker 4: a good moment to breaking news this morning, and so
Speaker 4: they won't be talking about the Cowboys. Of course, the
Speaker 4: Cowboys won, so they aren't talking about the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Can't guess. I can't find any of my friends out
Speaker 5: there now.
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to talk about the Cowboys when they win,
Speaker 4: but they're talking about the Jets. You're going to get
Speaker 4: your fill of New York Jets football, j e ts, Jets, Jets,
Speaker 4: Jets all day to day. Because he made a decision
Speaker 4: to uh fire what he I mean? Woody Johnson made
Speaker 4: a decision to fire Robert Saleh and Jeff Obrich is
Speaker 4: the new interim head coach for the rest of the season.
Speaker 4: Two and three record. They just played in London. I thought, well,
Speaker 4: maybe they have the bye week this week having just
Speaker 4: played in London, and if you're going to make a change,
Speaker 4: sometimes that'll be the case. But actually they played Monday
Speaker 4: night they play the Bills, so.
Speaker 2: They got an extra day for the new coach.
Speaker 7: That's right, Yeah, boy, we're firing coaches at two and three.
Speaker 5: MM hmmm, So is it too early to give up
Speaker 5: on your coach?
Speaker 2: Well, if the quarterback doesn't like them, he's in his
Speaker 2: fourth season.
Speaker 4: And then the red flag on It was last week
Speaker 4: when there was I don't remember the circumstances, but the
Speaker 4: head coach said something about the penalties and uh and
Speaker 4: the thoughts you talked something like that, and the quarterback said, well,
Speaker 4: maybe we just need to start keep getting keeping these
Speaker 4: players accountable. We're talking about the head coach.
Speaker 5: That's crazy. Yeah, I mean, and so when.
Speaker 4: That relationship sours, then when the Aaron Rodgers is your quarterback, then.
Speaker 8: You know, I remember him just flipping backwards trying not
Speaker 8: to criticize him for Rogers, for not showing up, you know,
Speaker 8: for the camp off season camp deals, you know, I mean,
Speaker 8: tripping over himself, just trying to not to say anything.
Speaker 8: Oh no, he's fine, No, no, he can go do
Speaker 8: acid in the desert or whatever. You know, it's okay.
Speaker 8: I mean, is that loose leagen Nicks. I don't know
Speaker 8: what the hell he was doing. I mean, he went
Speaker 8: back to the sixties on this stuff, man, and you
Speaker 8: know he's able.
Speaker 5: To do that. Oh yeah, welcome back, Aaron. You're good.
Speaker 8: Well, you know, we just we just need your receivers
Speaker 8: to be on the same page with you.
Speaker 5: Behave you good? And now here we are I tell.
Speaker 2: You, boy, being on the same page might mean something.
Speaker 5: Huh. Well, yeah, if you can find him, you have
Speaker 5: to find.
Speaker 2: That finds.
Speaker 4: So I guess you know this occurred to me.
Speaker 7: So when Salo went from San Francisco, right yes, to
Speaker 7: the Jets because they lost an assistant coach to head coaching,
Speaker 7: they got draft picks. So when he gets fired, you
Speaker 7: got to give the draft picks back.
Speaker 4: That's an idea.
Speaker 5: Both are my draft picks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good. You how long did he last?
Speaker 2: Two years? Three?
Speaker 4: And he was in his fourth year, fourth, five year,
Speaker 4: fourth season?
Speaker 2: Time fly?
Speaker 8: Like I said, they put so much into last year,
Speaker 8: you know, and when the Achilles thing happened, it just
Speaker 8: I'm still curious as to how good they would have
Speaker 8: been if he would have.
Speaker 4: So really he was. He lost his job for plays
Speaker 4: into last season when.
Speaker 5: The quarterbacks didn't just didn't know it.
Speaker 8: Nate said it started with the coach saying the cadence
Speaker 8: may be an issue.
Speaker 4: That's what it was in this Yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 5: Yes, for the false starts.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and that's when the quarterback said, well, maybe
Speaker 4: we just need to start keep keeping the players.
Speaker 5: So he just he's sensitive. He's just a little sensitive
Speaker 5: you get.
Speaker 8: You know, you say something to somebody who was, as
Speaker 8: the young folks say, in his feelings, and you know,
Speaker 8: now you know, I'm out of here because I said
Speaker 8: I slipped and said the wrong thing. Crazy man, you
Speaker 8: know that kind of stuff. That that that, you know,
Speaker 8: old school stuff was. Let me meet you outside after
Speaker 8: that when I pack up all my stuff. You know,
Speaker 8: when I pack up all my stuff, me and you
Speaker 8: just go in the quiet room somewhere nobody needs to watch.
Speaker 5: And let's just talk about this. Hash it out, hash
Speaker 5: it out.
Speaker 2: No, we got we got.
Speaker 5: Text message with civilized now Yeah.
Speaker 2: Facebook, Yeah, that's good, we can get it out there.
Speaker 5: We got X, thank god, Yeah we got X.
Speaker 4: So the Jets lost to the Vikings in London on
Speaker 4: Sunday twenty three seventeen.
Speaker 2: At least let him ride back.
Speaker 4: I think he was ride back.
Speaker 2: Leave him behind.
Speaker 7: Who was the coach that got a college coach got
Speaker 7: fired on the tarmac or something?
Speaker 2: Edwards Arizona.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was hilarious, man. They fired him.
Speaker 8: Hey, man, we don't need you to go into the
Speaker 8: locker room. Your stuff is outside already packed up.
Speaker 5: You're good. You got to ride home. We got we
Speaker 5: got an uber. You know.
Speaker 8: They wouldn't even live go in the locker room to
Speaker 8: say goodbye to the guys. They caught him in the
Speaker 8: end zone. Oh my goodness, at home. At least he
Speaker 8: was at home. Yeah, he could drive right crazy.
Speaker 4: So they've got twelve games to salvage their season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's two and three.
Speaker 5: That's what.
Speaker 4: That's what, that's what. Whatdy Johnson's thinking is that we
Speaker 4: got twelve games. Now we can see and I can,
Speaker 4: I can. Jeff Ouldbrook seems like a guy who has
Speaker 4: head coach traits about him, and I can give him
Speaker 4: a test drive here for the next twelve games and
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens.
Speaker 8: Well, what's going to happen is I mean, this is
Speaker 8: what's going on. They're putting everything in Aaron Rodgers hands. Right,
Speaker 8: He's trusting Aaron over the head coach, and let's see
Speaker 8: how that goes.
Speaker 5: Maybe Rogers the head he's the head coach. That's just
Speaker 5: all it is.
Speaker 8: Don't say anything to piss me off right now, because
Speaker 8: you know, I am the head coach.
Speaker 5: Basically, what he's what's happening right now?
Speaker 2: You think somewhere Mike McCarthy's smiling.
Speaker 7: Why do you say that, Well, we heard the rumors
Speaker 7: at the end in Green Bay that they weren't see
Speaker 7: an eye to eye.
Speaker 5: Now Aaron Rodgers running this whole thing, you can.
Speaker 4: And there were issues with Matt Lafleur too. Yeah, between
Speaker 4: Rogers and Lafloor.
Speaker 5: We know, we know what's going on.
Speaker 4: Jeff Olbrook is the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: So so the bottom line is when you.
Speaker 4: He's still the defensive course, well that's been his position
Speaker 4: and so yeah, he was still exactly he's a defense
Speaker 4: So truthfully we get to the bottom of this. As
Speaker 4: we get to the bottom of this, jeff Oldbrook is
Speaker 4: still the defensive Lathaniel Hacket is on the offensive, and
Speaker 4: name the offensive coordinator. Aaron Rodgers now is the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 5: And the head coach.
Speaker 8: There you go, that's just the way it is, just
Speaker 8: the way it is, and you know what, it may
Speaker 8: be more comfortable around there now that we got this whole.
Speaker 5: Out of the way.
Speaker 8: You know, let we all know that I'm the guy,
Speaker 8: so you know it may it may be better.
Speaker 5: It may be better.
Speaker 7: And the good thing here is that the quarterback goes
Speaker 7: to the head coaches hometown and goes visit the old
Speaker 7: family bar.
Speaker 5: That's right, the house, the house. Yeah, that's even better,
Speaker 5: that's even better.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: But when you look at this this whole week, I'm
Speaker 8: just so happy that the players are getting their flowers
Speaker 8: today and they're not concentrating on all the negativity in
Speaker 8: the game and the interceptions, the fumbles of all of that,
Speaker 8: I think, and to me, when you have a good
Speaker 8: defense like that, a defense that plays well, it can
Speaker 8: cover up a lot of problems. And that's the way
Speaker 8: the NFL usually is. Your offense is never perfect. Your
Speaker 8: defense gives them chances, and your offense needs to know
Speaker 8: how to finish a game, whether it's situational or otherwise.
Speaker 4: You know what, though, with the twenty four hour rulers up, yes,
Speaker 4: and now they start they put in that Lions tape. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you're not playing the Pittsburgh Steelers this week. The defense
Speaker 4: is not playing the Pittsburgh Steelers this week.
Speaker 7: They're playing the number three ranked offense and they have
Speaker 7: one hundred and fifty one yards.
Speaker 4: Of game rushing and By the way, it's a Detroit
Speaker 4: Lions team coming off of bye week two.
Speaker 8: And they're still pissed off about that. Yeah, still pissed off.
Speaker 4: And one they've been working on that tackle eligible for
Speaker 4: two weeks. Now, I know that that's all they do.
Speaker 5: This is what we're gonna Did.
Speaker 7: You see him the report in their last time they
Speaker 7: playing Dan Skipper? Skipper reports it and the official Uh,
Speaker 7: for those of you that aren't watching, he both hands,
Speaker 7: he pointed at him and said.
Speaker 2: Reported in hilarious.
Speaker 7: Hilarious, he reported in the Other thing that I noticed
Speaker 7: is that the NFL's leading sacker right now is Adon Hutchinson.
Speaker 7: Far four he had four against Tampa No, uh, it
Speaker 7: was four and a half against Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2: But he leads the league with six and.
Speaker 4: And if you looked up his quarterback pressures twenty five,
Speaker 4: it's like far and away he's doubled. He's lapped the
Speaker 4: field on quarterback pressures.
Speaker 2: Well under the Cowboys have a soft spot.
Speaker 5: Not anymore.
Speaker 2: Well we'll see Guyon nicked up his knee, but they're.
Speaker 4: Saying, yeah, so what's up with that?
Speaker 2: He's day to day. I saw where.
Speaker 7: He said he wanted to get back in the game,
Speaker 7: and they were like, no, we're good. I don't know,
Speaker 7: you better let this thing rest or whatever. But if
Speaker 7: he's not, you probably go the same way, right, Yeah,
Speaker 7: Tyler Smith that left tackle, TJ Bass at guard, this.
Speaker 5: Pick up where we left off. Now you have no choice.
Speaker 7: But if he's healthy, then you go back to where
Speaker 7: you were. And I think that the siding point on
Speaker 7: all that would be. And I'm sure someone well that's
Speaker 7: the way you need to go. Is Tyler Geiton better
Speaker 7: at left tackle then TG Bass is at guards?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean TJ Bass I thought played.
Speaker 4: Liked I like TJ Bass every time he's played.
Speaker 7: And they run the ball or they ran the ball
Speaker 7: pretty well, uh, even though they had to make that change.
Speaker 7: And again, I mean this was off the top of
Speaker 7: my head yesterday, but I don't remember Tyler Smith playing
Speaker 7: tackle since his rookie year. So I think you got
Speaker 7: a judge now you don't want to stop progress, or
Speaker 7: maybe you sit a game or two.
Speaker 4: Okay, what about this who says that you have to
Speaker 4: have a offensive lineman play every snap in a game.
Speaker 4: Nathan Frisco chime in, that's what the commanders are doing, right,
Speaker 4: now they've got a second round draft pick, left tackle,
Speaker 4: Brandon Coleman out of TCU. He was either a late
Speaker 4: second round early third round pick, and he's getting some
Speaker 4: decent reviews. He's not playing a full game at left tackle.
Speaker 4: They he's been coming in for series. They're not alternating
Speaker 4: on plays or anything. They're alternating maybe every other series
Speaker 4: or every third series series where he's getting about the
Speaker 4: half the snaps of all the other offensive linemen because
Speaker 4: he's a rookie. He's just learning, you know. And there
Speaker 4: are some other teams that have that have done that
Speaker 4: with their rookies, and the Ravens did it with their
Speaker 4: rookie right tackle Rosengarden where they're playing mckerry, who's normally
Speaker 4: a guard out at tackle at right tackle, and Rosengarten
Speaker 4: would get twenty to twenty five snaps a game just
Speaker 4: as he gets acclimated to the NFL. There's nothing that
Speaker 4: says you can't do something like that, but you don't
Speaker 4: want to.
Speaker 5: You don't.
Speaker 4: You don't want Tyler Smith to play left guard. And
Speaker 4: then you know, okay, you're giving guyton a series off,
Speaker 4: so you you switch it out. You can't do that.
Speaker 4: It's you said they are doing it at other places,
Speaker 4: they're doing it not with a guard during the game
Speaker 4: where he's playing guard and tackle. It's it's strictly a
Speaker 4: tackle for tackle.
Speaker 7: Do you remember And if I get this wrong, I'm
Speaker 7: sure needle chime in.
Speaker 2: So it would have been.
Speaker 7: Late eighties, somewhere in there where the Cowboys had Gogan
Speaker 7: and Dave Whye Dell. They were alternating, and they were
Speaker 7: alternate one was the running plays and one was one
Speaker 7: was the past.
Speaker 5: It had to be in eighty nine, eighty eight, eighty nine.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking it was eighty eight, maybe.
Speaker 8: Because that's when we were in dire straits. We were,
Speaker 8: we were really depleted in talent. Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 2: May have might have been eighty seven.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think it was eighty seven.
Speaker 2: I think one of them, one of them was a rookie.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there was common.
Speaker 5: You think it's eighty seven they have been doing strike,
Speaker 5: doing the strike. Maybe you think it was doing the strike.
Speaker 2: About or after the strike.
Speaker 4: Okay, I think it was fairly common. They would send
Speaker 4: them where they would guards in right, alternate on every
Speaker 4: play and bring the play in for the sideline right.
Speaker 5: That's what Tom would do.
Speaker 4: Right, and then one game they did it with the quarterbacks, cho.
Speaker 5: Bringing that stuff up because you know, there's not good.
Speaker 4: You know what, it ended up good? You know why
Speaker 4: because it got me. No, No, I'm talking night that
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy one when it happened against Chicago twenty three.
Speaker 8: You're talking then, yeah, quarterback shuffle right, that made that
Speaker 8: that that.
Speaker 4: That it was a twenty three nineteen lost to Chicago.
Speaker 4: And then this is Monday, he announced that star Box
Speaker 4: a quarterback and the Cowboys won ten straight games, and
Speaker 4: you go, so, yeah, that did end up Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 4: Mickey's looking at his legal pad.
Speaker 2: I was just trying to.
Speaker 4: Tease something for the next segment here.
Speaker 2: Since we solved the offensive line issues, Yes.
Speaker 5: How do we solve it?
Speaker 4: You're going with guy and if he's healthy, If he's healthy, Okay.
Speaker 5: They want to stick with the same same line.
Speaker 4: To work pretty well for the last.
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Speaker 4: It is Denzel Mems is the wide receiver Baylor who
Speaker 4: is working out for the Cowboys today. Former second round
Speaker 4: pick who was with Carolina in training camp. By the way,
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones on the fan this morning, did you have
Speaker 4: to take a listen to Jerry?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 4: Okay, he highlights. He says Tyler Guiton has a good chance,
Speaker 4: yes for this week.
Speaker 2: So it's sounds like he's day to day. We'll see.
Speaker 4: How about Michael Uh.
Speaker 7: He wasn't as sure if he If he's got a
Speaker 7: high ankle spring, it's going to be two weeks.
Speaker 2: And then you got the buy. I just can't imagine he's.
Speaker 5: Gonna okay, so hold.
Speaker 2: On, we'll see come running out on the field.
Speaker 5: Hold on with Nate from Frisco.
Speaker 8: Okay, he started with the coach saying the cadence may
Speaker 8: be an issue, and then they said it failed because
Speaker 8: why they all was trash.
Speaker 2: But that's not related to that's two different.
Speaker 8: That's okaya regard god substitution. That's it failed because why
Speaker 8: they was trash. So Logan was the man, as we
Speaker 8: know obviously why they wasn't.
Speaker 5: Thank you Frisco.
Speaker 4: Now he's learning that whatever he text, just to understand
Speaker 4: that it's going to get broadcast.
Speaker 5: Oh he knows, all right.
Speaker 7: So and Jerry's answer to the workout was, we just
Speaker 7: continue to look for depth and don't ever pay attention
Speaker 7: to the players that come through here working out that particularly.
Speaker 2: Uh they are particularly he's saying, we're in a good spot.
Speaker 2: Uh here.
Speaker 7: Uh, they like floor noy.
Speaker 4: Emphasis on the the thing you have to be ready
Speaker 4: for annoy. Just think of annoy.
Speaker 2: Annoying me.
Speaker 5: And that. Uh.
Speaker 7: What they have to consider is what if one of
Speaker 7: the guys now gets hurt, who's your who's your next
Speaker 7: wide receiver to help out? And that's what this guy's Yeah,
Speaker 7: and I don't know that there's well there's another wide
Speaker 7: receiver on the practice squad, Cropper who had a good training.
Speaker 4: Camp, Jalen Cropper. We need another Jalen in the taking over.
Speaker 7: So yeah, that's one of the things they always try
Speaker 7: to do, just to see what kind of condition these
Speaker 7: guys are in, just in case that. I don't think
Speaker 7: he's been with a team this summer. So anyway, that's
Speaker 7: what he had to say.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna give a quick shout out to coach Zimmer.
Speaker 8: You know, the last couple of games been pretty impressive.
Speaker 8: I know the teams were not all that good, even
Speaker 8: though the Giants came up and upset everyone's thought process.
Speaker 8: I like how we are working with these backups and
Speaker 8: yet we're still coordinated. Uh, And we stayed coordinated during
Speaker 8: the entire game in an extremely hostile environment.
Speaker 5: Justin fields all of his problems aside. We played the
Speaker 5: run two weeks in a row very well.
Speaker 8: And I'm not gonna sit up here and dump on
Speaker 8: the Steelers because they'll come back next week and show
Speaker 8: you just what kind of team they are, Just like
Speaker 8: the Giants have done and really have been doing trying
Speaker 8: to hang in there with the problems that they're having.
Speaker 8: Cowboys have been beating a couple of really good teams.
Speaker 8: They can say what they want. Cowboys beat a couple
Speaker 8: of really good teams, and their defense led the way.
Speaker 2: So it already started Monday on talk radio.
Speaker 7: Okay, it's like, well, yeah, okay, that was the Steelers.
Speaker 2: Now we're going to see what they can do against Detroit.
Speaker 2: It's never good. It minimizes because going in.
Speaker 7: Everybody was all fired up about the Steelers and how
Speaker 7: they were going to run the ball right down.
Speaker 5: Their big coming a big stud.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and then that didn't happen, No, it did not.
Speaker 2: And it's and also started you know with the Giants
Speaker 2: two times.
Speaker 7: Yeah, what you got to go on the road, you
Speaker 7: got to play the Giants, you know there, I don't know,
Speaker 7: and then.
Speaker 2: They stopped them in a It's like, wow, that was
Speaker 2: the Giants. So just watch. Don't keep trying to make.
Speaker 7: Conclusions on one game or five games.
Speaker 5: Matchups are important SPACs.
Speaker 8: I don't think people realize that you can go into
Speaker 8: especially if you're talking a divisional game.
Speaker 5: You're talking about being on the road. That was important.
Speaker 8: And then you look and see what they did to
Speaker 8: the Seahawks just a couple of days ago. It translated
Speaker 8: into a really good win for us, and that led
Speaker 8: to the momentum that we have right now. Defensively, of course,
Speaker 8: challenges every week, so yes, we don't want to rest
Speaker 8: on our laws challenges every week. Yes I get that,
Speaker 8: But don't degrade us for not playing well when we
Speaker 8: don't win, and then you ignore when we play well
Speaker 8: when we do win.
Speaker 5: So that's all. That's just the narrative I'm talking about.
Speaker 8: As far as coaches are concerned, yes, they are always
Speaker 8: looking to get better.
Speaker 5: They're never going to.
Speaker 8: Try and rest on what they did the previous game,
Speaker 8: try to build on it not rest on it. So
Speaker 8: I'm sure that's where the Cowboys are. But the narrative itself,
Speaker 8: it can be annoying as hell.
Speaker 7: So San Francisco, by the way, has to play Kansas
Speaker 7: City before that Seattle and then Kansas City.
Speaker 4: They're playing Seattle on Thursday. Oh they are at Seattle
Speaker 4: on Thursday. Okay, what are theyre? Two and three right now?
Speaker 2: Two and three?
Speaker 4: So they okay, short week at Seattle, Seattle smarting after
Speaker 4: losing to the Giants. That's a toss up game, right,
Speaker 4: it is all right?
Speaker 2: And then but let's say they lose City.
Speaker 4: Let's say they lose, then they get Kansas City at home,
Speaker 4: I think right? Or is it home? Let's say they
Speaker 4: could be two and five with the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Coming there, or three and four.
Speaker 4: So do you want them to be do you want
Speaker 4: them to be two and five or do you prefer
Speaker 4: them to be three and four?
Speaker 8: I don't care when we come in. You know, when
Speaker 8: we come in, they don't care what the record is.
Speaker 8: It doesn't matter what the narrative is before that. When
Speaker 8: we come in, it's everything the slate, ist.
Speaker 2: White, whatever their record is.
Speaker 7: I don't want everybody building them up, right, right, San Francisco,
Speaker 7: and then if you happen to win.
Speaker 5: What they've been having problems all year? Yeah, yeah, the
Speaker 5: same thing. They they need to fix that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, right, well, how much are they trying to
Speaker 4: get Christian McCaffrey back as soon as possible? And nothing
Speaker 4: against George Mason, who has done well, but he's not
Speaker 4: Christian McCaffery. Yeah. By the way, one more, one final
Speaker 4: note on the Steelers. But you're talking about the Cowboys
Speaker 4: defense and how they performed and quarterback situation in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin as his press conference on Tuesday, and Tomlin
Speaker 4: said today Russell Wilson is scheduled to be a full
Speaker 4: participant in practice on Wednesday, he'll get he'll get reps
Speaker 4: with the second team as not to disrupt Justin's preparation.
Speaker 4: And another Beat reporter says Tomlin speaks quite different diferently
Speaker 4: about his quarterbacks this week. Last couple of weeks, came
Speaker 4: in basically said Justin Fields is starting. Didn't say that
Speaker 4: this week, said he will see how Russell Wilson gets
Speaker 4: through the week of practice. First, sure sounds like there
Speaker 4: is a good chance Wilson starts if he proves he's
Speaker 4: healthy during the week.
Speaker 7: Well, last week someone asked him what does Justin Fields
Speaker 7: have to do to keep the job, and he was
Speaker 7: pretty plain and well.
Speaker 5: And win, just win.
Speaker 8: That's what I like about reading between the lines. I'm
Speaker 8: telling you what I said. Yeah, and that's it. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 8: that's what I like about.
Speaker 2: That was good, just Whin.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know we count wins, so yeah, we'll see
Speaker 7: what happens there. But your good point about u zim
Speaker 7: uh And you know what they had to piece together
Speaker 7: in that game, you without your top four defensive ends.
Speaker 4: And how about what it says to all of the
Speaker 4: starters whenever they get back, whether it's Mike Good or
Speaker 4: on Bland, d Law whatever, what you can do when
Speaker 4: everybody does their job. Yes, in a discipline way, that's right.
Speaker 7: And young guys probably aggressively, Yeah, young guys probably aren't freelancing.
Speaker 8: They were aggressive. I mean they weren't sitting back catching blows.
Speaker 8: They were aggressive moving the line of scrimmage, especially on
Speaker 8: the defensive line. They were moving the line of scrimmage backwards.
Speaker 8: And every time now he tried to run the ball,
Speaker 8: he was not comfortable. And I know that he was
Speaker 8: looking forward to being comfortable because he saw the film.
Speaker 5: Not this time.
Speaker 7: That was impressive because I'm I'm guessing Chauncey Golston probably
Speaker 7: had the best.
Speaker 5: Game of his career five tackles.
Speaker 7: He had five tackles, a half a sack, and a
Speaker 7: quarterback hitting. And he's used to just kind of rotating in.
Speaker 7: But again, sometimes and I would have to look this up,
Speaker 7: when you get fifty ninety percent of the snack apps
Speaker 7: fifty two snaps, you're playing right, You get into some rhythm,
Speaker 7: you kind of start seeing things, and you play well.
Speaker 7: Jerry had a good answer to that. By the way
Speaker 7: he said he.
Speaker 2: Was talking about young guys.
Speaker 7: He goes, I like any opportunity we have to play
Speaker 7: young players, And of course I don't like the fact
Speaker 7: that we have to do that because of injuries, but
Speaker 7: I do like to see these young players play because
Speaker 7: you have to handicap a team. Your season is one
Speaker 7: and a half college seasons long. I used to say
Speaker 7: two college seasons. So take a player that's at one
Speaker 7: level of maturation or one level of capability. When we
Speaker 7: start a training camp and you take it all the
Speaker 7: way through January or the next year, if you will,
Speaker 7: you've got a guy that has now evolved. And if
Speaker 7: you think back to training camp, he kept talking about
Speaker 7: guys that he thought should have played more. The young
Speaker 7: guy should have played more last year, didn't get snaps. Well,
Speaker 7: they're getting snaps now. Think about where Overshown would be
Speaker 7: if he had played last year and now what he's
Speaker 7: doing right now. But he's getting snaps, right, So you
Speaker 7: get snaps, maybe you improve if you're capable of improving.
Speaker 8: I've told you I got into it, got into it
Speaker 8: with Clarence and Jacques and Taylor. Yeah, you know these
Speaker 8: guys that the media, you know, some of you guys
Speaker 8: are just very cynical about things. That's just the way
Speaker 8: it is. And you guys rightfully, so right rightfully. So
Speaker 8: the Cowboys have warranted that because of the failures that
Speaker 8: they've had in recent years and for about twenty damn years.
Speaker 5: But anyway, so I understand that.
Speaker 8: But I'm talking to them as what a player thinks.
Speaker 8: You can believe what you want as a player, I
Speaker 8: can't believe what you write about me.
Speaker 5: I know me better than you know me. You see
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: So if you're talking about what my potential is, then
Speaker 8: you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Only
Speaker 8: I know what my potential is. And that's the way
Speaker 8: all of those practice team players need to think. Just
Speaker 8: because I'm practice team player, I'm only that now. If
Speaker 8: I don't do well, then I may remain that or
Speaker 8: maybe less than that. But if I do well, then
Speaker 8: that's me writing my own narrative. That's not me saying
Speaker 8: I am a practice player, so I don't deserve to
Speaker 8: be out there.
Speaker 5: I don't understand the mentality.
Speaker 8: Of anyone letting someone else determine what your wealth is
Speaker 8: or what your greatness is. That's my problem, and so
Speaker 8: mine is from an optimistic view. I believe that they
Speaker 8: can do better until they show me they can't.
Speaker 7: That's what you know what, And that happens. I think
Speaker 7: it happens in all walks of life.
Speaker 5: It does.
Speaker 4: Think it does.
Speaker 7: If you have a coach, that's the quality control coach, right,
Speaker 7: and you might have to go somewhere else to become
Speaker 7: the wide receiver coach because here you're still the quality
Speaker 7: control coach, even though they promoted you.
Speaker 2: I can remember newspaper business.
Speaker 7: We had a guy and uh he was the high
Speaker 7: school writer and his nickname was high school, right, and
Speaker 7: he was never going to get a.
Speaker 2: Chance to move up.
Speaker 7: The high school there, right, Yeah, and he would have
Speaker 7: to go somewhere else to get a job. That's like, oh,
Speaker 7: you can cover college football, you're not just high school.
Speaker 7: And sometimes that's.
Speaker 8: And they might even bring an entirely fresh new look
Speaker 8: into whatever they do, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it happens with players, it happens Gegon.
Speaker 8: And once again, I get I get the you know,
Speaker 8: with jaded, with jaded around here. I get that, but
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna I'm not just gonna force that thought
Speaker 8: process on somebody else who hadn't been here. If you're
Speaker 8: a practice player, man, show me you're not a practice player.
Speaker 5: First. You showed me that, then that you are not
Speaker 5: that guy anymore.
Speaker 7: I remember at one point I showed up to do
Speaker 7: something with baseball and somebody goes, well, I thought you
Speaker 7: were a football writer.
Speaker 2: It's like, seriously, it's like it's sports.
Speaker 5: I'm right, I'm a writer.
Speaker 2: I'm a writer. Are the people playing?
Speaker 4: I think I could try.
Speaker 2: This, right?
Speaker 5: Yeah, jeez, except you don't do well.
Speaker 7: Hey, I spent my time in jack right, I knew
Speaker 7: about Jackson State Elmore, Mississippi.
Speaker 5: Valley that you'll have.
Speaker 4: An opportunity to cover the Grand Prix of Arlington. I
Speaker 4: did the ad car come into Arlington in twenty twenty
Speaker 4: press conference happening here in the last hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's all through.
Speaker 5: The entertainment district.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had that nice.
Speaker 7: Nice There was some sort of was it NASCAR or
Speaker 7: what the road race out like at the airport in
Speaker 7: Addison around Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was what was it? It was a that
Speaker 4: wasn't it was a Grand Prix. Yeah, it's like twenty
Speaker 4: twenty years ago, bro eighteen fifteen years.
Speaker 2: Ago and out at the Cotton Bowl too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they had it there too. That was Formula one.
Speaker 8: I guess what No, they had they had Indy Andy
Speaker 8: was in Addie, wasn't in Addison?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that was.
Speaker 2: That was It was small smaller smaller.
Speaker 5: No, the first time was a long time ago.
Speaker 4: I've tried to remember it because.
Speaker 7: Uh I actually, of course this guy is speaks, drove
Speaker 7: the car over there, speaks to your point.
Speaker 2: But I covered it.
Speaker 4: No, okay, you said that you could cover it. I
Speaker 4: can't cover cars. In fact, it was a Sunday afternoon
Speaker 4: at the Addison Grand Prix and were I was. I
Speaker 4: can't remember. I guess I was working for Channel eleven,
Speaker 4: or maybe I was working for Channel five, which would
Speaker 4: have been then. That would have been thirty years ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was. There was thirty years ago.
Speaker 4: I was Channel five.
Speaker 5: Yeah it was.
Speaker 4: It was nineteen ninety five, ninety six, Yes, And a
Speaker 4: guy named irv Hair won the race, and like we
Speaker 4: had a five thirty newscast and the top of the newscast,
Speaker 4: I'm supposed to go on live.
Speaker 11: I got no information on this race. I know nothing
Speaker 11: about auto racing. All I know is that a guy
Speaker 11: named irv Hair won the race. And I got so
Speaker 11: much crap from people about this life. God would I said,
Speaker 11: and herv Hair won the race? Uh yeah, irv Hair
Speaker 11: won the right. We didn't have internet back. I couldn't
Speaker 11: even look up where irv Hair was from. I had nothing.
Speaker 5: Why if they throw you on there with no info?
Speaker 4: Man, nobody else. I was the sports guy. I'm supposed
Speaker 4: to know about this stuff, and you know, you're in
Speaker 4: a position you can't even see what's going on in
Speaker 4: the race.
Speaker 11: You know nothing about anything. There's no TV monitors, nothing.
Speaker 11: All I knew was that irv Hair won the race.
Speaker 11: So I spent two minutes talking about IRV hair.
Speaker 8: Won the race, and your dad is like, boy, yeah,
Speaker 8: you need You'll never make it.
Speaker 4: You need to stick to them traditional sports.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: The first first auto race I ever covered, well.
Speaker 4: He knew I knew nothing about cars. As he tried
Speaker 4: to get and teach me how to change change the
Speaker 4: oil and I'm not My mom was going still how
Speaker 4: to do that.
Speaker 5: He thought I was gonna be a mechanical, like, you
Speaker 5: do not know, your son.
Speaker 7: I was in South Carolina and they sent me to
Speaker 7: cover this dirt track race. I show up with remember
Speaker 7: back in the day we had white painter pants or whatever.
Speaker 7: Well it's red dirt there by the way. And they
Speaker 7: told me that this guy had some winning streak going uh,
Speaker 7: and that there was a bounty at them that if
Speaker 7: you beat him, you get all this money. Right, So
Speaker 7: I don't know nothing about car racing, and I go
Speaker 7: out there and I'm covering it and dirt's flying all
Speaker 7: over the place and all I see is on the
Speaker 7: finish line the guy that had the bouty autum his
Speaker 7: break lights come on. He slowed down on purpose so
Speaker 7: the guy could be and they were going to split.
Speaker 4: Right and do it. So it was like wrestling.
Speaker 2: It was sixed, and I asked the question right, and.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 4: They were going to run my ass right out of the.
Speaker 2: That's no more racing.
Speaker 4: Wow. All right, Well, more stories from Mickey's journalistic past
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Speaker 2: All right? Bill Jones had to depart early to, thank God,
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Speaker 7: Other than I want to point this out that everybody
Speaker 7: keeps asking about Doron Bland returning from his fractured fifth metatarsan. Well,
Speaker 7: we don't know, okay, but I'm guessing it's not this week.
Speaker 7: My observation of how Cowboys trait guys that have been
Speaker 7: out that long is they bring them back. They practice
Speaker 7: him one week, then they practice him the next week
Speaker 7: and figure, okay, you're released to play if it all
Speaker 7: goes well.
Speaker 5: And then he's got to ramp up.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So we're talking a guy that's going to be
Speaker 7: out what he's already missed five five games, right, and
Speaker 7: a week before that, so he's been out six weeks.
Speaker 2: It's gonna take two weeks.
Speaker 7: So even if they started practicing this week and then
Speaker 7: he gets the buy and don't think you practice during
Speaker 7: the bye. You can work out, ramp up conditioning, but
Speaker 7: they don't practice, So then would he practice.
Speaker 8: Well, that's an individual. Yeah, he doesn't need practice as
Speaker 8: much as he needs conditioning conditions.
Speaker 7: And we're seeing him on the resistance cords recently, so
Speaker 7: maybe by San Francisco or Atlanta, I would think he's back.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 7: The other issue here, and you're a defensive guy, there's
Speaker 7: this deal going on that Ceedee Lamb gets a bunch
Speaker 7: of receptions in the first half and doesn't get him
Speaker 7: in the second half, and you can take this game
Speaker 7: because there's a there was A. He had five catches
Speaker 7: for sixty two yards. And now he's recorded at least
Speaker 7: four receptions in thirty eight consecutive games, tying Julio Jones
Speaker 7: for the second longest streak in NFL. His of consecutive
Speaker 7: games with four receptions, the longest is Michael Thomas Saints
Speaker 7: Michael Thomas, He's forty three straight with four plus. So
Speaker 7: in this last game, Lamb got his four receptions in
Speaker 7: the first half fifty two yards, in the second half
Speaker 7: one catch for nine yards. So to me, my logical
Speaker 7: answer is teams are just defenses.
Speaker 5: True, true, true, and our offenses are just as well.
Speaker 8: You know, we force it into and force it in
Speaker 8: to and force it into him in the first half,
Speaker 8: second half, you're looking for us to come back to him. Now,
Speaker 8: we've got other targets that we can use. So sometimes
Speaker 8: the tail does wag the dog. In that situation, they
Speaker 8: might force us to go away from Stephen from Stephen A.
Speaker 8: What the hell am I tired to go away from
Speaker 8: CD Lamb? But you could also bait them into changing
Speaker 8: their coverage and then we go away from him. You
Speaker 8: understand what I'm saying, right, So, yeah, we could force
Speaker 8: it to happen, or we can be ready for it
Speaker 8: to happen when it happens organically. So I could take
Speaker 8: it either way. I think what I'm looking at right
Speaker 8: now is any game that I go into, I want
Speaker 8: to keep them frustrated. If I'm in the secondary, if
Speaker 8: I'm playing against cdee Lamb, I want to keep he
Speaker 8: and Deck.
Speaker 5: In this this zone of.
Speaker 8: Unknown right right, I want them to continue to have
Speaker 8: the little problems. I would I would hope that that
Speaker 8: would work to our advantage. What Pittsburgh didn't realize was
Speaker 8: our backups are ready to play because we didn't have
Speaker 8: to go to him in the second half.
Speaker 5: In the second half, we went to Ferguson.
Speaker 8: In the second half, we went more, kept going to Jayden,
Speaker 8: and they kept thinking, oh, they're going to have to
Speaker 8: force it to see the one of these these plays,
Speaker 8: which we did. But we were able to come away
Speaker 8: from that and still be productive with three hundred and
Speaker 8: fifty yards passing.
Speaker 2: So Tobert had two catches in the first half, ended
Speaker 2: up with seven.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and by it was we were forced to So
Speaker 8: you want to away, Lamb got we got somebody I
Speaker 8: can go somewhere, and which is what the way it
Speaker 8: was with cook That's the way it was with Cooks.
Speaker 8: Right now, Cooks not here told this our guy.
Speaker 7: And if you think about it last year with Cooks,
Speaker 7: the first seven games he didn't have that many catches.
Speaker 7: They weren't going to him, and then the second half
Speaker 7: it picked up.
Speaker 5: Well, it's kind of hard to go to him when
Speaker 5: you got ceed Lamb working on him.
Speaker 7: And that's what I asked Dak that question in training
Speaker 7: camp and he goes, well, we got CD Lamb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so.
Speaker 7: But by the second half of the season, now people
Speaker 7: are like, okay, this guy can't beat us. Well, now
Speaker 7: things opened up for Cooks. And that's what happened in
Speaker 7: training camp without CD there Lamb. I mean, Cooks was
Speaker 7: he was the star of training camp.
Speaker 8: Would you ever as a as a I'll put it
Speaker 8: like this, you will never take away the attention of
Speaker 8: Ceede Lamb for Ferguson, right, Okay, That's why Ferguson's always
Speaker 8: going to be open. That's why Whitten was always going
Speaker 8: to be open. The tight end, to me is a
Speaker 8: quarterback's best friend. He is his best friend, especially if
Speaker 8: you're in a dire situation.
Speaker 7: Because you got to figure out how to cover the
Speaker 7: tight end. Right, if you're giving up something to cover
Speaker 7: the receiver, Now do you have a safety or a's.
Speaker 8: Going to do that unless you're Kelsey or somebody you
Speaker 8: saw last night.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: So that's what I'm saying, Wide open the whole game.
Speaker 7: And I'm sitting there going, well, how do they miscoverages? Well, no,
Speaker 7: that's what they.
Speaker 5: We are able to stretch. Thank god they have mahomes.
Speaker 5: We have that.
Speaker 8: We're able to stretch the defense to open it up
Speaker 8: underneath for your tight end. And you know if you
Speaker 8: have that running back, for a running back to also
Speaker 8: damage you right in the passing.
Speaker 7: Game because a lot of times what they do with
Speaker 7: wide receivers is they want to take away that slant. Yes,
Speaker 7: so the linebacker can drop into that open area, right,
Speaker 7: and then the dB knows he's got help. But if
Speaker 7: the linebacker's got to take care of something else, yes,
Speaker 7: then or doesn't then some albums.
Speaker 8: I love it when they take care of every They
Speaker 8: take care of the wide receiver and throughout the entire
Speaker 8: game because it's doing those drives like we just had
Speaker 8: the other night. That's when you need Ferguson And that's
Speaker 8: when he showed up. That's when Dak looked for him,
Speaker 8: those important situations to where you can look at the
Speaker 8: speed and be dazzled by the catches all you want
Speaker 8: on the outside, Ferguson is the guy that's going to
Speaker 8: be that. He's going to be the guy that makes
Speaker 8: the difference for you.
Speaker 7: And so the natural reaction is, well, what happens to
Speaker 7: CD and Dak in the second half? They don't think
Speaker 7: about the other team.
Speaker 8: It'd be great if we could force it to him,
Speaker 8: and he did try. Yeah, and that's why you got
Speaker 8: to turnover this. And as I looked at that play,
Speaker 8: I don't know what happened, but I kind of see
Speaker 8: where it could be a back shoulder fade, right, But
Speaker 8: I don't think Ceede was expecting the ball at.
Speaker 2: All, Like he didn't think.
Speaker 8: He didn't think no because us there on point with that,
Speaker 8: I mean, a backshow of the fate will have been.
Speaker 5: A good pass.
Speaker 2: I think that's what Dak was thrown.
Speaker 8: Yes, running, Well, why would you keep running if there's
Speaker 8: a defender there already?
Speaker 5: It's like you ran into the ran into the coverage.
Speaker 8: But it doesn't seem as if he thought he was
Speaker 8: being looked at and regardless of what that is going on.
Speaker 8: I think the fact that we won that game that
Speaker 8: puts a nice little band aid on that for now,
Speaker 8: and that gives them a week to work on whatever issues.
Speaker 4: They have it.
Speaker 2: And god forbid, if we didn't have the sideline.
Speaker 5: Camera man tell me about it.
Speaker 7: We got to see everything and then interpret, even though
Speaker 7: you don't know what they're saying.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh yeah, yeah, I know, chewing dak out right.
Speaker 2: All right, Well that's goot. Well we used up our
Speaker 2: extra five minutes.
Speaker 5: We don't need Bill.
Speaker 2: We did okay without Bill, didn't we. All Right?
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