WEBVTT - Disruption 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:07.760 Carl Jung once said that knowing your own darkness is 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.479 the best method for dealing with the darkness of other people. 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.640 But what if that other person is your father. This 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.960 story covers two lives, a father and his daughter, and 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:24.960 two paths, a killer and a victim. I'm Lauren Bright Pacheco, 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:26.680 and this is happy Face. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.840 I got a phone call. You guys were in bed. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.239 I got a phone call, and this guy gets on 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.960 the phone and he says, I know where you're at. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:48.120 You're in the kitchen and you're wearing this. I was petrified. 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.800 Oh my god. So I closed the door to the 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:55.600 kid's room and I turned off all the lights because 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:57.160 I didn't want him to know where I was at. 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:01.840 But whoever called me exactly where I was in the house, 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.480 and he knew exactly what I was wearing, so I 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:07.120 knew he could see me for wherever he was. So 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:10.399 I turned the lights off and I called nine one one, 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:14.839 and they said, well, if they haven't broken in anything, 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:15.800 there's nothing we can do. 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:17.520 I go, oh, you're still comforting, you know. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:22.200 But the fortunate thing for me is I was babysitting 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:27.319 my sister's two dogs and I was sitting on the Countain, 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.319 and I said, oh, my god, Lord, if you take me, 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:31.559 if he kills me. 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:33.639 Just don't let my kids find me in the morning. 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:35.080 Please don't let them find me. 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:41.480 And I sat with the dogs next to me. I 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:47.600 can see the door handle turning and the dogs went ballistic. 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:53.160 And whoever it was left. 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.040 Do you think he got something to oh? He said 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:01.000 he did. Keith states that he hired someone. 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:03.640 How did you know that it was him that was 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:04.280 trying to put a. 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.760 Hit on you? Because that was the only who else 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:07.960 knew where I lived. 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:21.840 It's been a long long Thanks God, Mesta, you stay 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:33.200 since Durren, the dream of you bell leto you be 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:34.120 let go. 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:46.720 Fagged Upso No, I'm on the road with Melissa Moore, 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.919 the daughter of the happy faced serial killer Noel. Our 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.640 producer is also in the car with us, and we've 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.200 just left her mother, Rose's office. Rose told us this 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:00.520 terrifying story about how Keith had threatened her even from prison, 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:04.240 he had hired somebody to possibly even murder her, and 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.720 Melissa's beginning to realize that none of her childhood homes 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.280 were truly ever safe. 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:12.480 Let's actually go there. 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:16.280 I want to go to the first place I stopped 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.240 when we came to Spokane. Are you okay with that? 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:22.200 If I take you there, it worse. I'm on Hamilton Road, 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:25.399 which is the road my mom took when we got 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.440 to Spokane to head over to my grandma's house. And 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.600 everything was new to me. I have never seen so 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:34.480 many buildings so close to each other. 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:36.800 There's so many cars. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.320 This was a site that I've never seen before, and 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.480 it was thrilling to me as a young girl. It 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.640 was absolutely exciting, despite knowing my mom had just said 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:50.000 that her and my dad were separating, which I didn't believe. 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:51.520 It didn't feel real. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.680 I felt that this was a temporary situation, that they 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.240 would get back together, that this was just going to 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:58.840 be like a summer vacation. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:04.680 When you moved to your grandparents' house, how did your 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:05.760 day to day change. 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:07.800 My grandma, you. 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.360 Know, didn't expect to be hosting a family in her house, 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.440 and so there's no way she could have prepared. Even 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.800 if she could have prepared, So her basement was an 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:21.719 unfinished basement, was all cement, cement floors, and there was 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:28.040 a canning cellar with this old reclaimed wood, and there 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.880 was no There was one bedroom that was finished in 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:36.039 the basement with like particle board. But my area that 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.800 I picked was the cellar room, and I had a 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.599 room for a cot, and then there was no room 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.880 for any furnishings. We didn't have any furniture, so I 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:49.840 used shoe boxes to organize my underwear. 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.479 And my socks my cardboard. 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.080 Yeah, cardboard shoe boxes, And that was kind of like 0:04:54.120 --> 0:05:05.599 my makeshift dresser. I thought I was going to last 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.479 just a week or two, but it quickly turned into 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.680 the whole summer, and then summer quickly turned into I 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:16.280 was going to fifth grade now. My mom was registering 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.320 me at Evergreen Elementary here, and once she registered me 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.920 for fifth grade here, it now felt like, oh, this 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.720 isn't changing, and especially when my dad showed up. 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.800 But when Keith came, it was a huge disappointment for Melissa. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:36.320 She suddenly realized he wasn't this superhero or this mythological 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.880 figure she'd always romanticized him, as. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.240 He had a trailer of all our belongings, and it 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.000 was like halfway through, like he didn't even having care. 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.039 When he showed up, it was a disaster. It was 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.960 just like tossed in there, like it was trash, our belongings. 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.880 I actually didn't even recognize it as my own bedroom 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.960 furniture because it was so broken down and so ruined 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:58.520 by the transport. 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.960 Rose remembers this well, and it's even worse from her perspective, 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:08.600 while Melissa focuses on her bed and her possessions. Rose's 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.080 sadness comes from losing something irreplaceable. 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.120 When we had left, he had given everything away from 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:20.120 our house, like I wanted to keep, like you guys's 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:24.279 baby pictures and her She had a cute little gown 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.599 at Little Rose Buzzle that your grandma had bought for you, 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.400 and in a quilt that was made for you. 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:34.599 And he chucked that all up, gave it away. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:48.360 Phil Stanford The Oregonian, May twenty sixth, nineteen ninety four. 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.920 One day about November ninety two, he says he picked 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:58.279 up a girl named Claudia in California on the way 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.919 out of la My mind went with the thought of 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.919 a sex slave, and when I stopped at a rest area, 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.040 I took her. I taped her up and raped her 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:11.160 again and again. I kept her for four days alive. 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.480 Then I killed her and dumped her body about seven 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.480 miles north of blyth On ninety five. 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:28.480 I was still happy to see him because I thought 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.800 that every time my dad came, I could persuade him 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.040 to get back together with my mom, and like everything 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:38.680 would go back to normal and I could have my 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.800 life back. I thought, if I could just manipulate and 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:45.400 convince my father, I would try every tactic possible. And 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.680 maybe you know other kids when they go through a divorce, 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.360 go through the same thing. That's what I did with 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.560 my dad. I wanted him back. I wanted him to 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.400 fix the situation, you know. 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:55.720 But she registered that. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:08:00.760 Like he wasn't treating your things with respect, that there 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:02.720 was sort of a coldness there. 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:03.520 You registered that. 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.160 I registered that, but I thought it was because of 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:07.440 his anger situation. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:09.680 I didn't take it personal. I thought it was. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:10.560 Would you blame your mom? 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:15.280 Yeah? Yeah, I blamed my mom. That's what I regret 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:16.280 is I blamed her. 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:18.560 She shouldn't deserve that at all. 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.440 How did you meet him again? How did you guys 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:34.079 start dating? 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:34.640 Oh? 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.319 I know the sorry You were working at a burger 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:42.040 place and you were doing the takeout window and then 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.880 my dad drove through the takeout and then you didn't 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.319 put the meat in his hack. 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:53.079 On the grill on the left, and then he circled 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:56.600 back because he didn't have meat in his hamburgers. 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:01.600 Two buns, right, yeah, he goes up. I did order 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:03.240 a hamberger, there. 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:04.240 Was no meat in it. 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:05.720 I go, oh, okay. 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.120 He still sitting on the grill. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.559 So he asked me out and I said no. 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.439 Every time he come in he'd ask me, and Macfin goes, 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:21.839 I'll just go out with him once. 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.160 Why didn't you want to do him? 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.960 I was not really attractive to him, you know, the 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.400 whole thing. I don't even know I even married him. 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:30.200 To be honest with. 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:37.320 You, seemingly inappropriate laughter seems to be a trait of 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:41.360 the Jesperson women. It's almost gallows humored. 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.559 Years later, I was like, what did you even see 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.960 in this guy that you married him? 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.360 I guess I just I road it for the underdog, 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:50.640 so long I married it. 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:51.760 I don't know. 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:07.079 He wasn't exactly a faithful husband, oh, absolutely not from 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.960 day one. From day one, actually literally day one. Yeah, 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:12.520 tell me about your wedding day. 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.720 Got ready for the wedding, we got married, and they 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.160 were doing pictures of me and I guess he was 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:26.920 outside kissing the bridesmaids my best friend, Pam, Pam, how can. 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.960 You find out about that? She told me? Maybe years later? 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:31.880 She goes, I felt so bad. I wanted to tell you, 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:34.360 but Dad didn't tell you. 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:40.200 Oh when when you were married and we were living 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.080 in Yakima, did you ever since say he was unfaithful? 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.880 I knew it. I knew it. I was getting phone 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:48.840 calls every day. Hi, is Keith here? 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.440 I said, no, who is this? She goes, oh, I 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:56.000 can't remember what her name was, And she goes, oh, 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.480 would you tell Keith that I called? 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:03.280 She goes, oh, who are you his wife? Oh? And 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.480 then she'd hung up. So they were phoning the house. 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.959 They were phoning the house. Did you ever confront Dad 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:10.360 on these women calling? 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:11.800 I did. 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:17.720 He would say things like, if you only knew, like 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:19.680 we'd be driving down the road, because if you only knew, 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:20.960 And I go, if I only knew? 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.920 What? Because if only you knew. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.520 After the second murder, the happy Face killer says he 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:37.640 realized he liked what he was doing. This triggered something 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:42.360 in me. He says, it was getting easy, real easy. 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.800 A week or two later, I stopped in Turlock, California, 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.640 at a rest area a hooker became my next victim. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.120 This time I just strangled her right there without sucks. 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.000 She was in my truck only five minutes. I dropped 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.439 her body off behind the Blueberry Hill Cafe a ten 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.560 miles south on ninety nine. I placed her body in 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.200 the dirt and stepped on her throat to make sure 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:09.160 she was dead. 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.920 I just couldn't understand why we kind of get together, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:35.240 Like I couldn't understand because our car came from my dad. 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.760 When we needed anything, my mom would ask my dad, 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:39.880 and my dad would buy us a new car, or 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:41.760 my dad would provide the things that we needed. 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:46.920 So it felt like we just weren't competent on our. 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:52.040 Own without him, Like somehow he was competent and knew 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.840 how to make things happen, and he got money so 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.679 fast and so effortlessly. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.280 It looked like, you know, but our dad. 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:05.680 Was that now looking back, you know, as a mom 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.239 now looking at he'd. 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.280 Have to pay anything, like all his resources, his full 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.320 time job, didn't go to supporting a family and went 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.079 to himself and his lifestyle. 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.960 Did you at one point try to go on the 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:24.600 road with him. 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:29.200 There's some story he told, Yeah, so so you guys, 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:30.440 stay with your grandparents. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.360 We go to Arizona. 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.959 So we're in near Aza, semi truck in a semi truck. 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.880 It was a blazing hot day, so we were gonna 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:41.080 stop at a restaurant and neat. 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:47.000 So he parks the vehicle. We walk and there was. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.040 I call him Pimps, but they had a huge black 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:56.400 lemmo and they were washing it. He physically picked me 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.200 up and put me in the arms of that man. 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:03.520 He said, you can have her and walked away. And 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.439 that was the end of our marriage. That was it. 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:06.440 That's when I left. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.880 I don't I don't even know why. I got back 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.280 in the truck with him and went back home. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.600 Mentally for you, at that moment, that was it. I 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.559 was totally done. So basically told. 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.000 Pemps that you can have my wife pick me up, 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.080 physically pick me up and put me in the arms 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.560 of a guy like what like? 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.680 I couldn't think. I was in so much shock, I 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.320 couldn't figure out. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.160 We never talked, by the way the whole way back, 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:38.440 never said a word to each. 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:55.760 Other, smelled too this world was fall Your nas been clean, 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.160 our s dream. 0:14:58.880 --> 0:14:59.840 Of fire. 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:06.960 Un released, spent. 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:09.920 Oh you. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:18.680 Brid how did he feel about being a dad? 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.440 Well, he said he really was happy, and I mean 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.120 he held you and stuff, but he was never home. 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.400 So what he said when he did was two different things. Yeah, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:31.280 that makes sense. 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:32.600 It's always been the case. 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.440 I think I spent the first year it was like, 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:36.800 I don't know how to explain it. 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.640 The first year she was born, I was like, there 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.480 was some dark force that was trying to kill us. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.280 I don't know how to explain it to you. I 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:49.480 went the first year with Melissa, had went through two fires. 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.720 Didn't I save the family by waking up? Yeah? Like 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:54.480 I was. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.640 I was sleeping and she was playing in her crib. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:00.200 I go, what the heck? 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.400 And I looked over, Oh, she's playing in a crib. 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.720 I heard her audible voice tell me Rose, it's three 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:07.920 o'clock in the morning. Why can't you see your child 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:12.200 playing in the crib? I shot straight up. The whole 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:16.880 bathroom was on fire. I grabbed her, ran out, I 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:21.680 nudged Keith, ran out the door with her, and. 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.400 The whole mobile home belt burned down And it didn't 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:25.120 burn down. 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.280 But it caught the whole roof on fire, wasn't it 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:27.920 the vent? 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:33.320 Keith taped the vent. It got so hot that the 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:37.680 fan the melt. It melt, plastic melted, and I had 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.800 a little toilet cover, a shag covered, and it caught 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.200 it on fire. And the whole bathroom was in golf 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.320 before the smoke detectors went off. I was already out 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:48.960 the door before the smoke dectors went off. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:03.880 When did you remember having the first feeling like, oh 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.960 my god, I made a mistake in terms of marrying him. 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:12.199 I think when I went through the second fire. It 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:17.040 was like three months after that. Your dad had a 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:22.199 contract with tobacco to do irrigation pipes for a huge 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:24.439 orchard up in Winneanchi. 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.920 So we borrowed. 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.520 Your grandparents' brand new travel trailer and we parked it 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.840 under the hill and there was just dry grass all 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.359 the way up the hill, and then there was a 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:43.760 beach and then a lake, and I remember looking up 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:47.240 and the hill was on fire and it was all 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.480 dry grass between me and that trailer. 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:54.840 It was tall, dry grass. Do you know that he 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:59.280 was an arsonist? He set fires? He didn't think of that. 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:01.600 He did it through childhood. 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.560 Do you think he set the trailer off? 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:09.840 But that's after that that's kind of coincidence to fire. 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.920 Exactly do you think guys having second thoughts of being 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.720 a dad who was trying to kill kill us? 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.960 I have no idea, but I think about it, like 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.800 I told you, a dark force was trying to get 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:23.400 rid of us. 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.879 So Dad was gone. You didn't see him. And there 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.840 this fire happens on the hill and it's coming straight 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.000 down for us. And then what do you do? 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:41.240 You have me in the lake, and I grabbed the 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:46.640 hose from behind the camper and saturated the grass as 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:47.160 much as I. 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.520 Could with the water from the hose. I mean, it 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:51.520 was gonna be our life. 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.959 So and I had a visual point that if the 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:59.080 fire broke past that line, I was gonna just leave 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:00.040 the hose there and as. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.160 I run the lake and I was gonna go deeper 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.720 with you in it. And then did it ever reach 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:06.800 that point? They did not. I saw the fire truck 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:11.680 come down, WoT it out. When did Keith come back, Oh, 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:15.679 maybe fifteen minutes after that? How did he know? I 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:24.520 have no idea. 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.600 It was an incredible moment just watching them come together. 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.360 It was as if they were putting together the pieces 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.240 of a puzzle that they'd been trying to solve for years. 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.360 Then you said that was the moment when you regretted 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:55.560 marrying him. Why because it was. 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:01.119 This is the second fire, like within three and I 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:06.840 felt like this dark, oppressive force was after me, and 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.359 I felt that that force was your dad. 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.800 Then shortly after that, like a month. 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:24.280 After, we go camping to you and I and we're 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.840 at a church camp and so he decides to sleep 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.720 in the car, but you and I sleep in the cabin. 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.720 And then I heard a. 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:39.680 Bear and it's going around and around our cabin, and 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:41.639 I was like, oh my god. I mean I wanted 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:43.000 to grab you put it in my bed, but I 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:46.320 didn't dare stir you. And then the bear stood up 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:49.600 on the door and was pushing on the door and 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:53.840 there was only a leather latch between that bear and us, 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.560 and so I laid there and I said, oh God, 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:01.080 please don't let Melissa make one sound. Please don't make 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:05.080 your one sound. And then I heard another bear going 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:06.360 around and around. 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:08.040 That's not an accident. 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:09.639 He must have planted fish. 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:11.720 He did. He did. 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.280 He cleaned fish in front of the cabin. 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.800 You can see paws all over the place. And he 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:23.160 was sleeping in the car, and this bear was pushing 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:26.959 on this door and was pushing on this door, and 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:30.120 I just thought, oh my god, if that latch on hooks, 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:31.639 we're dinner. 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:38.640 I know that dad knows not to clean fish. It's 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:40.560 one on one. It's one on one. 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:44.040 You don't prepare your food in your camp base, right, 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:45.119 or clean fish. 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:48.199 You're supposed to even put your trash up a tree. Yeah, 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:49.320 he knew, he knew that. 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:53.080 I mean, he packed horses with his dad. They've they've 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:55.919 been camping since they were little. They know the bush 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:56.760 better than anything. 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:02.199 It's apparent to me three incidents, he's conveniently in a 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:03.000 different location. 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.639 This is definitely him trying to make it look like 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:07.280 an accident. 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:12.199 I think after that point that I really believe you 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:16.359 and I were protected, really spiritually protected you. And I 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:19.760 felt that from the very beginning with all the kids. 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:27.879 The happy face killer, if that's how he wants us 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.919 to think of him, says he left his next victim 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:35.199 in Salem Moregan. My next victim was a hooker I 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:38.680 had used weeks earlier. I summoned her on the CB. 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:43.320 She had a raincoat on. We went through the normal procedure. 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.240 I felt so much power. I then told her she 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:50.760 was going to die and slowly strangled her and dropped 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:54.120 her off behind g I, Joe's and Salem. I put 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:57.639 her against the fence under the BlackBerry vines and covered 0:22:57.680 --> 0:22:58.480 her with leaves. 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:03.280 Do you believe her. 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:05.000 When she says, your dad never abused her? 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:10.840 I do, and I believe in the physical sense because 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.560 he didn't physically abuse her. Was he abusive man, Yes, 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:14.720 in a different way. 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:16.240 He was abusive. 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:22.320 Emotionally he was abusive, like controlling the money and controlling her. 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:26.639 How did it make you feel hearing kind of putting 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:28.920 the pieces together about those stories your mom told you 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:31.040 about the fires because you obviously knew about it. 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:32.040 You knew about the fires. 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:33.119 He knew about one fire. 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:35.760 I did not know about the bears or about the 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:39.520 other fire. I didn't put the pieces together like this 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:43.240 is like I've had these fragments, these little stories of 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:47.359 just paint a picture of one particular thing. Now I 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:49.800 feel like the pieces are coming together. 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:50.840 And painting a bigger picture. 0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:01.159 I had assumed when he had thoughts of killing us 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:05.040 kids that it was towards the latter years. Never would 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:07.679 I have ever thought that it happened as I was 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:09.040 a toddler. 0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:10.760 You know, I didn't go that far back. 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:15.800 When you look at Keith's history as a serial killer, 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:18.840 you have to understand that his murders that we know 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:21.760