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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Ah, yes, greetings, Welcome in and welcome to another beautiful campaign.

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Speaker 2: It's the National Football League. You know me, I celebrate

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Speaker 2: all two hundred seventy two regular season games. We've got

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Speaker 2: two hundred seventy more masterpieces to try to build. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's like a Hollywood thriller time and again. We got

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Speaker 2: the stars on the marquee, the long preamble of the preseason.

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Speaker 2: What are we gonna see? It's like the little trailers

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Speaker 2: you get that get longer and longer. Nowadays, sometimes they

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Speaker 2: give away the movie. No no, no, no, no. Not

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Speaker 2: in the NFL. Twisted turns unlike anything else. We got

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Speaker 2: great third acts in those first two NFL games that

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Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about here. So welcome to Week one.

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Speaker 2: I'm Mike Carmon. You hear me weeknights with Jason Smith

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Speaker 2: here seven to eleven Pacific Monday through Friday nights. You

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Speaker 2: come on in, and I got my guy Greg Cosell

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Speaker 2: joining us here today to make us all smarter, to

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Speaker 2: educate us in the world of football, to have a

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Speaker 2: great discussion time and time again about the game we love.

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Speaker 2: At Greg Cosel, it's where you find them. NFL films

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Speaker 2: a masterclass each and every time he steps to the mic. Greg,

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Speaker 2: good to be with you. Welcome in. It's Fox Football Sunday.

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Speaker 2: We finally made.

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Speaker 3: It, Mike. I am so excited about this. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's funny.

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Speaker 4: I've been doing this a long time, Mike, and the

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Speaker 4: preseason just doesn't get me overly excited these days. So

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Speaker 4: now we've actually had two games under our belt, but

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Speaker 4: there's nothing like the first Sunday of the NFL season.

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty excited about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, the anticipation, so many changes that we saw this offseason.

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Speaker 2: When we talk about coordinators and coaches, some of the

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Speaker 2: veteran quarterbacks that are in new spots, all of that

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Speaker 2: that we get to see the band aid ripped up today.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so many big matchups. Sometimes I wonder how

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Speaker 2: much we really need to schedule, you know, like stunt

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Speaker 2: casting in TV shows. We're suddenly back in the day.

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Speaker 2: It's May first, Like who's gonna show up on my

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Speaker 2: favorite sitcom?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 2: Get the game in Brazil? But it's the Chargers and

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs. Did we need to do that Week one?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but certainly I enjoyed every last second

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Speaker 2: of it. Don't get me wrong. Like I say, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm the guy that'll be pushing later on in the

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Speaker 2: show for more Jaguars Panthers content. I mean, that's just

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Speaker 2: who I am. But it's just that kind of thing

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Speaker 2: with the scheduling. There's always these quirks trying to make

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Speaker 2: that algorithm work. Sometimes with the beneficiary of it. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: I'm sure teams file their letters of complaint to the league.

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Speaker 2: But tonight today is like New Year's Day, Christmas morning,

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Speaker 2: one of the days of Hanuka. However you celebrate, whatever

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Speaker 2: you celebrate. This is the grand unveiling of it all.

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Speaker 4: Well, what we know for sure, Mike, is that everybody's

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Speaker 4: going to make definitive statements about every team season after

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Speaker 4: week one. That's what we know for sure.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've got a couple of teams where I know

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Speaker 2: in those cities. I mean, you want to talk about

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Speaker 2: the Bunsen burners all being on and flame on. I mean,

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Speaker 2: my hometown Chicago is certainly going to be one. We

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Speaker 2: talk about a bunch of this offseason. But you know,

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Speaker 2: tomorrow is the referendum on everybody. You know, week one

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Speaker 2: of a National Football League season. But You're absolutely right,

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Speaker 2: the over correction, the overreactions. But that's why we love it, right,

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Speaker 2: each game means so much.

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Speaker 4: Well, I know there's not that many of them, unlike

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Speaker 4: other sports. But you know, the crazy thing is, and

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure fans think about this, but coaches aren't

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Speaker 4: even really sure what they have until they start playing

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Speaker 4: real games. I mean, they have a sense of their team,

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Speaker 4: they've been with the players every day pretty much, but

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Speaker 4: they don't really know until you start playing the real games.

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Speaker 4: And guys that maybe played fifteen snaps in the preseason

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Speaker 4: are now playing sixty seventy snaps because it's a whole game. Plus,

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Speaker 4: the coaches coach it totally differently. They coach for four quarters.

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Speaker 4: They're not just coaching to see, oh let's try this,

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Speaker 4: let's run this place, see if it works. They're now

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Speaker 4: coaching four quarters. So it's different for coaches as well,

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Speaker 4: not just for the players.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it becomes just that curiosity, right we always talked about.

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Speaker 2: I know, Lovey Smith and others have used to take

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Speaker 2: now you got to decide, you know, how you fractionalize

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Speaker 2: it there. But also Bill Belichick in the month of September,

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Speaker 2: But the same thing like September was, I don't care

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Speaker 2: things about my team in September so that we tightened

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Speaker 2: the bolts and nuts and screws and everything for later

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Speaker 2: on in the season, the margin to victory and then

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Speaker 2: we impose our will later on. And the way it's

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Speaker 2: going back to McVeigh and some of the other coaches,

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Speaker 2: when we started pulling guys away from preseason games, we

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Speaker 2: got less of the sample size, right the teaser trailers

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Speaker 2: you know, in the little Queen's wave, you know, like

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Speaker 2: Peyton Manning used to do before they'd lose in the

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Speaker 2: lot of great talking points.

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Speaker 3: Right right.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing about preseason is, you know, that's

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Speaker 4: another great example of where people want to take so

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Speaker 4: the one thing about preseason and I've been fortunate enough

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Speaker 4: in my career, Mike, I mean, I've been doing this

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Speaker 4: and you know, training camps, and even in games, they're

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Speaker 4: coaches are just trying to practice certain things. They're not

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Speaker 4: game planning against an opponent. They might be practicing one

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Speaker 4: this is what you know, people don't know unless you're

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Speaker 4: there in their meetings. So it's very difficult to get

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Speaker 4: any meaningful sense of anything from a preseason game other

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Speaker 4: than the fact that everybody would like to see better

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Speaker 2: Well, my favorite was always I used to do camp

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Speaker 2: Most of the places, one of my favorite visits was

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Speaker 2: always Pittsburgh, and we'll talk a lot about them. I

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Speaker 2: know over the course of the season, the Mike Tomlin regime,

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Speaker 2: a couple of times I wandered into places. They didn't

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Speaker 2: of the other assistants and be like, none of this

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Speaker 2: shows up in print, right, It's like you're learning something.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like those meetings they have production meetings

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Speaker 2: for the television, right right, this play or this formation

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's funny. There's coaches are so different

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Speaker 4: like that. There are some coaches who believe obviously that

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Speaker 4: you know someone like yourself. For myself, that we have

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Speaker 4: an impact on whether teams win or lose on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: And then there are other coaches that understand that we

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Speaker 4: have really no impact on that, and they'll be willing

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Speaker 4: to have pretty open and honest conversations with you. So

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Speaker 4: you know, that's a coach to coach thing. I've learned

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is certainly a curious mix. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's got to be the psychological books on psychology of coaching.

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Speaker 2: Plenty have been written, and I'm sure there's room for

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Speaker 2: several more on the shelf. So maybe that'll be part

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Speaker 2: two of what we operate and orchestrate here Fox Football

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Speaker 2: Sunday again. Welcome in at Swollen Dome where you find me.

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Speaker 2: My giant head once didn't fit in to a two shot.

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Speaker 2: It became a running joke and then became the era

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Speaker 2: of social media. So that's the genesis of that at

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Speaker 2: Greg Cosel, I mean, it's the man's name, that's what

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Speaker 2: he is. As we get ready for what is a

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Speaker 2: fantastic campaign, and we got two games in the book,

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Speaker 2: so let's rewind to Thursday night. We pulled out a

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Speaker 2: couple of key plays that will stand out as this

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Speaker 2: season goes. On forty seven, Prescott looking middle cover, coming

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Speaker 2: down field program, seeing on ricochet to Blankenship's hands in.

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Speaker 5: What his throw by Dak Prescott and in this CD

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Speaker 5: right in the hands, that's two. That's two in the

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Speaker 5: second half that he has not been able to hold onto.

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Speaker 2: Fourth to three.

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Speaker 5: We're bringing pressure, at least showing it.

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Speaker 2: They are bringing it, and Prescott's laughing it.

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Speaker 3: CD couldn't bring that one other third time of the half.

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Speaker 2: Eagles take over on down definitely what he was doing.

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Speaker 2: So they got the TV booth on the call there

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Speaker 2: on the and NBC Peacock crew on the call there. Greg.

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Speaker 2: I mean those two players and the Miles Sanders fumble

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean very rare for cdee Lamb to

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Speaker 4: drop those balls. And he had another drop on a

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Speaker 4: the long ball in particular, and it was funny because

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Speaker 4: deep ball. I'm assuming that he was throwing to Ceedee

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Speaker 4: it was odd that there was a receiver right next

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Speaker 4: to him. But I thought, Dak Prescott. You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 4: Before that game that week, which was last week, I

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Speaker 4: guess I went through a ton of Dak Prescott from

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Speaker 4: last year, and I gotta tell you, I didn't come

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Speaker 4: away feeling really good about him watching his tape from

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, even before he got hurt, I thought

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Speaker 4: that he was really tight hipped, Mike. I thought that

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Speaker 4: he was really heavy footed. He just didn't look like

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Speaker 4: the quarterback we've seen through the years. Because people probably

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Speaker 4: forget at this point that in twenty twenty three he

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Speaker 4: was second in the MVP voting. He had a phenomenal season.

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Speaker 4: But I thought he played really well against the Eagles.

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Speaker 4: I thought he threw the ball really well. He made

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Speaker 4: some big time throws and quite frankly, they should have

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Speaker 4: won that game.

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Speaker 2: No, that's just it. They leave it on the field.

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Speaker 2: Several times we saw the big play threat. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Javonte Williams fifteen carries fifty four yards, gets the glory

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Speaker 3: He ran well, so he ran hard, right, But.

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Speaker 2: That's just it. That was the one question mark I

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Speaker 2: post Micah Parsons world, I don't think the run thing

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Speaker 2: really worked. Thirty eight for one fifty eight and the

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Speaker 2: of the screen to say, you know what, you should

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Speaker 2: check in with your Fox Sports Radio friends. And like

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Speaker 2: I always say when we do this, read it's the

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Speaker 2: best free gift you can give anybody. You got a

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Speaker 2: birthday coming up? iHeartRadio App, You got holidays coming up?

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio App, a wedding. It's the best gift twenty four

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Speaker 2: to seven of oral brilliance each and every day. How's

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Speaker 2: that did I sell that?

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Speaker 3: Well, Greg, you did a great job there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I was riveted. I was riveted.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, grab your friends at brunch today and say

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Speaker 2: give me your phone and they're gonna say, what you

446
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Speaker 2: want to scroll through my photo's like, no, I'm gonna

447
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Speaker 2: give you a gift. Here's the iHeartRadio app. All right.

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Speaker 2: So we had one game on Thursday. We broke that

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Speaker 2: down every way till Sunday, and then well, which is

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Speaker 2: Sunday today, and then we get to Friday. We got

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Speaker 2: a double dose of greatness as we have the Chargers

452
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Speaker 2: and the Chiefs, great expectations, Chiefs with a lot of

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Speaker 2: the off season of what we're going to see coming

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Speaker 2: off the Super Bowl loss. Unfortunately for them, we saw

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Speaker 2: some of the same tendencies. We'll get to that in

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Speaker 2: a moment. But on the other side, you know, every

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Speaker 2: third billboard, you know we've got injury attorney, injury attorney

458
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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh, injury attorney, injury attorney Jim Harbaugh, and well

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Speaker 2: for one night and paid off. Here's Justin Herbert, who

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Speaker 2: he is champion time and again. Let's hear one of

461
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Speaker 2: the great plays from this one. Quinton with his second

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Speaker 2: touchdown grab of this contest. All right, Quentin Johnson, five catches,

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Speaker 2: seventy nine yards, two scores, the guy that after his

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Speaker 2: rookie year everybody wanted him banished, and now he's their

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Speaker 2: number one receiver. You bring back Keenan Allen, who was

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Speaker 2: fantastic the old rapport. Ten targets, seven catches at a

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Speaker 2: score for him as well. Johnston nearly had the hat trick,

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Speaker 2: had one go off his hands on a little scrape

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Speaker 2: in the back of the end zone. But Greg, Justin Herbert,

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Speaker 2: a guy that we've been waiting for this version of

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Speaker 2: him for a while. He's been one of the all right,

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Speaker 2: we had it for a year, when's it gonna happen?

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Speaker 2: And I gotta say it played a little bit against type,

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Speaker 2: because I would have expected more from the run game

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Speaker 2: off the jump. Nope, they came out throwing early and often.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's funny other than the playoffs, which

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Speaker 4: is what everybody focuses on, and with validity, I'm not

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Speaker 4: suggesting that doesn't matter. Herbert's actually been terrific in his

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Speaker 4: career and there's no question in terms of physical talent,

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Speaker 4: he's top five in the league. You know, you mentioned

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Speaker 4: Keenan Allen, and it's the little plays that mattered.

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Speaker 3: We'll mention the.

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Speaker 4: Johnston touchdown in a second, that second one, the twenty

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Speaker 4: three yarder in the fourth quarter, which basically sealed the game.

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Speaker 4: But on that drive, he had two throws consecutive throws

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Speaker 4: to Allen that beat Blitz and they were and they

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Speaker 4: got first downs on that drive. And it's those kinds

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Speaker 4: of plays that don't seem like they mean a lot, Mike,

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Speaker 4: but they mean an awful lot. But the Johnston touchdown,

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Speaker 4: the twenty three yarder, That was a classic chess match

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Speaker 4: play because what did Steve Spagnolo do, which he's known for,

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Speaker 4: is he went what we call zero blitz, meaning that

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Speaker 4: there was no deep safety that they matched up across

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Speaker 4: the board man to man, and the result of that

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Speaker 4: was that Johnston ran in the over rout versus a

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Speaker 4: safety Hicks, and Hicks is not a coverage player. He's

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Speaker 4: really much more of a closer to the line of

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Speaker 4: scrimmage box player. So they got the matchup. Herbert was protected,

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Speaker 4: they were able to pick up the pressure, and he

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Speaker 4: just made what was essential. I think he moved to

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Speaker 4: his right just a little bit, but he made an

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Speaker 4: easy throw to a wide open Johnston and it was

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Speaker 4: just the classic chess match at word at work.

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Speaker 3: It was the.

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Speaker 4: Offense beating the defense. And if you know Spags, you

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Speaker 4: know he's going to amp up the pressure, increase the

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Speaker 4: pressure frequency once he gets to the second half.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five and thirty four three eighteen three scores on

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Speaker 2: the day for Herbert, also seven carries thirty two yards,

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Speaker 2: including that game clinching scramble that left the Chiefs defensive

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Speaker 2: line pointing at each other like the spierw meme with

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Speaker 2: a fewtives thrown in.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's what happened.

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Speaker 4: They were playing what we call two man coverage, meaning

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Speaker 4: there's two deep safeties and man to man across the board.

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Speaker 4: So there's five eligible receivers, so there's five defenders covering

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Speaker 4: them two deep safeties, so it's a four man pass rush.

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Speaker 4: So what happened is Jones from the wide nine, his

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Speaker 4: wide nine alignment, he was to the boundary side. He

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Speaker 4: rushed inside of the right tackle and all Herbert did

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Speaker 4: was then go outside of him because there's no one

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Speaker 4: there because of the coverage. So Jones a great player, obviously,

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Speaker 4: but he made a mistake on that play. He went

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Speaker 4: inside on his pass rush and he gave up the

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Speaker 4: edge and Herbert had no one in front of him,

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Speaker 4: and he obviously he wanted to slide and stay in bounds,

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Speaker 4: but he probably could have gotten more than the nineteen

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Speaker 4: yards if the game situation was different.

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Speaker 2: Now, obviously we had a little bit of chaos early

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Speaker 2: in this one, just like we did on Thursday. Thursday

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Speaker 2: also gave us the long lightning delay that delayed that

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Speaker 2: games completion. So a little bit of chaos mixed therein

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Speaker 2: more vamping on television as you go through and then

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Speaker 2: Friday we get the tart blow to the head of

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Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey open hand. So he doesn't get disqualified from

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Speaker 2: the game, Greg, but his presence ends up becoming such

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Speaker 2: a huge part of how that game plays out. A

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Speaker 2: couple of balls that are batted down, including the two conversion,

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Speaker 2: and like Travis Kelcey looked a little bit more like

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Speaker 2: Travis kelce running routes, except on the play that could

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Speaker 2: have been a touchdown late where he scraped across the

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Speaker 2: middle kind of did that little walking start and then

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Speaker 2: the balls just a little bit too far out outside.

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Speaker 2: It was one of the few mistakes that you can make.

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Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes form the game.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's funny they seemingly were not on the same

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Speaker 4: page because Kelsey slowed down just a bit on his

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Speaker 4: shallow crosser and Mahomes obviously did not expect him to

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Speaker 4: slow down. I don't know if Kelsey thought it was

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Speaker 4: zone and he needed to sort of settle or I

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Speaker 4: don't know. Again, only those guys could tell you. But

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Speaker 4: the bottom line is is you don't see that very often.

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Speaker 4: But once again, Kelsey not a big factor. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he did catch that touchdown which was a schemed play,

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Speaker 4: clearly a schemed play that beat the defense. But he

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Speaker 4: was not a big factor in this game. And you know,

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Speaker 4: the Chiefs offensively, and I've noticed this the last couple

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Speaker 4: of years as well. The last couple of years. Don't forget,

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Speaker 4: they've not scored a ton of points per game relative

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Speaker 4: to what they did prior. They don't really and it

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Speaker 4: continued in this game. They have not really had any

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Speaker 4: kind of consistent intermediate passing game. It's all quick rhythm throws.

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Speaker 4: Mahomes gets the ball out, and then it's Mahomes making

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Speaker 4: Mahomes plays. I mean the brown forty nine yard are

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Speaker 4: late the fourth quarter, which you know, at that point

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Speaker 4: you probably think they're gonna score a touchdown and they didn't.

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Speaker 4: But you know, that's one of those Mahomes special plays,

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Speaker 4: which obviously he can do anytime in any game. And

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Speaker 4: his running dimension, the scrambling dimension. They don't usually do

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Speaker 4: design runs with him unless it's very situational, but his

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Speaker 4: scrambling element, you know, including the touchdown that he had

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Speaker 4: that that has become kind of a significant part of

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Speaker 4: their third down and longer yard or off large offense.

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Speaker 4: But they don't really have a real consistent intermediate pass game.

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Speaker 4: It's it's been kind of strange to watch these last

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Speaker 4: couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Well, and the thought I guess coming into the year Greg,

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Speaker 2: is maybe we'd see a little bit of a difference. Instead,

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Speaker 2: you've got Rashi Rice suspended for the first six weeks

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Speaker 2: of the season, and then you lose Xavier Worthy on that.

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Speaker 3: Crosser on the third play of the game as.

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Speaker 2: He runs in and talk about again those those early

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Speaker 2: plays having so much meaning. You know, from the Thursday

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Speaker 2: game into Friday. Worthy goes down and we saw the

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Speaker 2: clips of the training staff, you know, and if you're

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Speaker 2: doing the lip reading, it sounded like he said, or

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Speaker 2: look like he said, it's really bad. So we'll see

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Speaker 2: exactly what that means for their long term. But I mean,

589
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Speaker 2: those are your two big weapons. Hollywood Brown comes out

590
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Speaker 2: and he becomes the de facto go to guy. Sixteen

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Speaker 2: targets in this game, Greg ten catches ninety nine, including

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Speaker 2: that that scrabble play. I mean Mahomes laying that ball

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Speaker 2: up back down.

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Speaker 4: The keep that in mind, I mean he had ten

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Speaker 4: for ninety nine. Yeah, you'll lose that forty nine yarder.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he would he have nine for fifty. I

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Speaker 4: mean something you know along those lines.

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Speaker 2: This is where you need those blocking wide receivers like

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Speaker 2: the Steelers have been known for all these years, or

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Speaker 2: guys like Brandon Marshall. Does he have any reps back

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Speaker 2: in there? He might be able to break him in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And just to make your point, Mike, I mean on

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Speaker 4: that third and goal late in the game when they

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Speaker 4: had to kick the field goal, what was the play

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Speaker 4: he throws a fade to Brownlee. I bet a lot

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Speaker 4: of people don't even know who Brownly is. You know,

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Speaker 4: you know, so, I mean it's your Point's a good one.

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Speaker 4: But still, you know, the pass game, you have to

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Speaker 4: scheme the pass game as well. I mentioned the Kelsey touchdown.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you feel you don't have great receivers

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Speaker 4: that can win one all one because obviously the end

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Speaker 4: NFL in the past game is about a lot of

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Speaker 4: different things. Matchup being one of them, clearly, But if

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Speaker 4: you don't have those guys, then you've got to scheme it.

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Speaker 4: And from an intermediate perspective, we'll get to the Lions.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure at some point, you know, after we go

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Speaker 4: off today. But you know, they do an amazing job

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Speaker 4: scheming their pass game, and you know, we're guys who

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Speaker 4: you don't think of as great receivers, like the Tim

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Speaker 4: Patricks of the world, who obviously they traded, but you know,

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Speaker 4: guys like that become factors because of how well schemed

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Speaker 4: and designed and put together.

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Speaker 2: It is Jason Brownlee, the second year man out of

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Speaker 2: Southern Miss. Yeah, because we got to tell the tale

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Speaker 2: of the tape. I like, you know, closing those off,

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Speaker 2: and maybe folks now are gonna say, how we're watched

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Speaker 2: Southern Miss a little bit more of that guy got

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Speaker 2: some run, all right, So I'm trying to celebrate every

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Speaker 2: hey Northwestern one on Friday, Greg, I don't get to

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Speaker 2: say that very often on these shows. I come in

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Speaker 2: on Sunday normally like yeah, yeah, a little a little

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Speaker 2: down one.

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Speaker 1: You.

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Speaker 3: I have to admit, Mike, I missed that. Who they beat?

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Speaker 2: The Western Illinois Leathernecks.

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Speaker 4: Go, oh a great name, A great one of my

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Speaker 4: favorite names. And I forget which California school? Who are

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Speaker 4: the ant Eaters? Do you remember that's one of those?

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Speaker 3: Is it? Uc? I? Yes, there you go. The ant

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Speaker 3: Eaters always love that.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Brianna, our executive producer, getting it done

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Speaker 2: marks on the ones and twos over our technical producer,

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Speaker 2: my team. It's good. It's good to like I get

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Speaker 2: up a little bit earlier, right, I've been working a

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Speaker 2: little latership, so I get to come back in and

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Speaker 2: see my people early in the morning. So it's a

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Speaker 2: good energy here. It's football season. And bring Rihanna to

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Speaker 2: for full disclosure, Greg, real quick, she's a Saints fan.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well there you go.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I have a lot of faith in

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Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler.

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Speaker 2: Greg, I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 3: Well, you have to have faith. You know, he's historic quarterback.

655
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Speaker 3: Thank you. If you're a fan, you have to have faith, right.

656
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Speaker 2: Well, especially if it's the Saints, don't we have the

657
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Speaker 2: whole catch that kind of goes to that.

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Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, Brianna, I actually thought in all

659
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Speaker 4: my study and you know, I don't know if you

660
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Speaker 4: know everything I do, but I'm a little nuts with

661
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Speaker 4: film study.

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Speaker 3: You've been doing it for a long time.

663
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Speaker 4: I thought Tyler Shuck had the best film of any

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Speaker 4: college quarterback after cam Ward this year. So we'll see.

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Speaker 4: My guess is he'll probably get some snaps this year. Okay,

666
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Speaker 4: of course, that's probably not what you want to hear,

667
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Speaker 4: because you want to hear that Spencer aratups having a

668
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Speaker 4: great season and they're doing really, really well.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll get to that game next hole. We'll bring

670
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Speaker 2: you back in on that. Like, there's several that are interesting,

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Speaker 2: maybe again only to me, but we're going to try

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Speaker 2: to sell, sell, sell.

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Speaker 4: Well, hey, Mike, you're the host. If they're interesting to you,

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Speaker 4: we're good. I'll just follow your lead. You know, I

675
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Speaker 4: can talk about any game.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the beauty of it. We've got a rich

677
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Speaker 2: tapestry we're weaving here. Isaac Low and Kron starting to

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Speaker 2: check in. He's doing his stretching. He'll be at the

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Speaker 2: news desk here in short order. This is Fox Football Sunday,

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. I want to make one last quick point.

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Speaker 2: We got like what maybe one minute here Greg on

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Speaker 2: this particular blue the tail of the tape from both defenses,

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00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: Spags looks like he's really gonna have to work to

684
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Speaker 2: surmount any kind of pressure. Because one of the big

685
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Speaker 2: questions coming into the year was that Chargers offensive line

686
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: with no Rashaan Slater, and they acquitted themselves quite nicely. Conversely,

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Speaker 2: the fact that Mahomes had to scramble as often as

688
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Speaker 2: he did. Is a really good sign for minter and

689
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Speaker 2: what was a top scoring defense last year.

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Speaker 4: I thought John Auld played a phenomenal game at left tackle,

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Speaker 4: and Pippins who's now Pipkins who's now at right tackle.

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Speaker 4: He was not exposed at all. They could not rush

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Speaker 4: the quarterback particularly well with their front four, which normally

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Speaker 4: they do. So again, it's week one. We don't want

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Speaker 4: to make a judgment for the whole season.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, just a curiosity coming up of what we know

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Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, so one to put a pin in.

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Speaker 2: And we'll be here each and every week here on

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Speaker 2: Fox Football Sunday and watch this great movie unfold. Maybe

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Speaker 2: it's like a mini series. I don't know however you

701
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Speaker 2: want to do it. But we're here in the Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio studios, blessed to have you with us as

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Speaker 2: part of our extended family. And as we continue, we

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Speaker 2: got a couple of games that I think are really

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Speaker 2: interesting because while we're always looking for who's next, we're

706
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Speaker 2: talking about the Saints job and the order of succession. Well,

707
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Speaker 2: we got a couple of other quarterbacks that might be

708
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Speaker 2: playing for their futures as well. Who are they we'll

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Speaker 2: tell you next year on Fox. Welcome back in Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio. It's Fox Football Sunday Live from the Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio studios. Mike Harmon, Greg cosall with you. We're

712
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Speaker 2: just getting warmed up, working into a lather as we

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Speaker 2: head towards the first glorious set of kickoffs. Here week

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Speaker 2: one the National Football League season. We broke down the

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Speaker 2: first two games of the year. That means we've got

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Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy left. I've got a giant wall calendar, Greg,

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Speaker 2: and I cross him off like like days of a

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Speaker 2: diet or something.

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Speaker 4: Well, good, I mean, now we got Sunday's matches. There's

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Speaker 4: a lot of good ones, by the way, I think.

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Speaker 4: I mean there were obviously two that already played, but

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Speaker 4: I think there are eight division matchups this whole first

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Speaker 4: week of the season, which is very rare.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's the curiosity. Let's stay there for a second,

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Speaker 2: because I mentioned the schedule, and look, I do a

726
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Speaker 2: lot of hand and ringing over it and probably spend

727
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: more time because eventually, look, they're gonna play the games.

728
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Speaker 2: You know, it's the you know, shut up and watch,

729
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: but you know you hear the fun from the Chargers

730
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: side of things. Of you know, they traveled more miles

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Speaker 2: for this Brazil game than the Bengals will travel all year,

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Speaker 2: just based on circumstance and schedule. But the Chargers play

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Speaker 2: three Division games right out of the gate, and I

734
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Speaker 2: don't know if that's good bad now, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. Like they've got the Raiders on Monday Night

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Speaker 2: Football in week two, and then they get Denver that

737
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Speaker 2: following week, and it's like, yet, some other teams won't

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Speaker 2: have a Division game till week seven or eight. And

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Speaker 2: then we push at the end of the year how

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Speaker 2: important they are. And in the final weeks when teams

741
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Speaker 2: are shells of themselves because of injuries, fracturing of locker rooms, whatever.

742
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Speaker 2: Now we're gonna jam several division games down the stretch.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you get that home other opponent road kind of sequencing, right, Well,

744
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Speaker 2: you play to the the same division upon it twice

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Speaker 2: in the final three weeks. Like I know, there's no

746
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Speaker 2: perfect formula to it all, but some of this just

747
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Speaker 2: in saying the Bears last year they played three games

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Speaker 2: against the AFC South right off the jump.

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Speaker 4: And a lot of times too, it's the nature of

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Speaker 4: those games because think about it the Chargers just knowing

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Speaker 4: when the schedule came out, and obviously they're very familiar

752
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Speaker 4: with their division opponents. Although the Raiders become a different

753
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Speaker 4: team with a new coaching staff, but they obviously know

754
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Speaker 4: the Chiefs well. They prepared for them, and now they

755
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Speaker 4: do have the extra day or two. But they're playing

756
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Speaker 4: a team now in the Raiders next week that's totally

757
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Speaker 4: different in how their defense would go about playing. And

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Speaker 4: Jesse Minter's done a phenomenal job with that Chargers defense.

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Speaker 4: They are a very very good defense with a lot

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Speaker 4: of different things that they do well and a lot

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Speaker 4: of different personnel packages. Much of it dependent on Derwin

762
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Speaker 4: James and Henley. Henley is a linebacker not a lot

763
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Speaker 4: of people know about. He's a really good player. But anyway,

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Speaker 4: the point I'm making is they play a Chiefs team

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Speaker 4: that doesn't really run the ball. Chiefs did not run

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Speaker 4: the ball much at all on Friday night, and now

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Speaker 4: they're going to play a Raiders team that we assume.

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Speaker 4: Again we'll find out what happens today when the Raiders play,

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Speaker 4: but we assume the Raiders will be very much a

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Speaker 4: run first team. So you're you're you're sort of focused

771
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Speaker 4: and how you go about defending them becomes totally different.

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Speaker 2: Looking at an awful lot of Ashton genty if things

773
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Speaker 2: play to projections out yeap tease it as a the referendum,

774
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Speaker 2: the you know, step one of what we what are

775
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Speaker 2: we looking at here for a couple of guys that

776
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Speaker 2: have been in the crosshairs in our national media and

777
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: certainly in their local media sphere because we get can

778
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Speaker 2: Alison Cohen with the Young and Lawrence battle a Trevor Lawrence,

779
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: a guy got his contract. Now he's got Travis Hunter

780
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: as his number two curiosity. Brian Thomas proving that hey,

781
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 2: you can find stats regardless of the decal on the

782
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: side of your helmet for you fantasy guys out there.

783
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 2: Uh and in the daily Fantasy and all that stuff.

784
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: Bryce Young had a nice close to the finish. So

785
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Speaker 2: that's one matchup that's on my radar. The other Daniel

786
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: Jones and your Indian Heppel his colts, not yours, Greg,

787
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: but the collectors. I'm adopting them here going up against

788
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Speaker 2: you a tongue of Iloa. Mike McDaniel, who this offseason

789
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Speaker 2: deadpanned about, Hey, you know, we're one day closer to death,

790
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: like he was listening to Pink Floyd before a media session.

791
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Speaker 2: So we got four quarterbacks that you know, we've got

792
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Speaker 2: very big narratives already written, I think for most of them,

793
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Speaker 2: and now we're looking for that next chapter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think Trevor Lawrence is probably the most fascinating because,

796
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Speaker 4: you know, he got that moniker, which personally, I believe

797
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Speaker 4: anybody that says that term generational about a quarterbacks and

798
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 4: probably not have a job the next day. But he

799
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Speaker 4: got that moniker, you know, early on, because he was

800
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Speaker 4: great right from eighth grade or whatever he was, and

801
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 4: he struggled, but he's had really good moments. There's a

802
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Speaker 4: lot of things to like about Trevor Lawrence. When I

803
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Speaker 4: watch his tape, I feel like there's a mental toughness

804
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Speaker 4: to him. I think he's physically tough. I think there's

805
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Speaker 4: an aggressiveness to him. He's willing to make tough throws.

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Speaker 4: The one thing that I really think he needs to

807
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Speaker 4: improve on is he needs to become better as what

808
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 4: we call a post snap operator. Once the ball snapped

809
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 4: and the picture changes, he needs to become better at

810
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Speaker 4: recognizing that within the timing and structure of the play.

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Speaker 3: Call.

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Speaker 4: That's where I think the one area that he really

813
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Speaker 4: needs to improve to reach that next level.

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Speaker 2: Now on the other side of that game, Bryce Young

815
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Speaker 2: closed out strong Canalis. We saw what he worked when

816
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Speaker 2: he was at Tampa, and then last year we saw

817
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: growth expectations for him. Ted McMillan joins him and Hunter

818
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Speaker 2: Renfro assuming he can be that sit down guy on

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Speaker 2: third down with Chewba Hubbard in the backfield.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Young had some really interesting matchups back to back last

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Speaker 4: year against two heavy blitzing teams in the Bucks and

823
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Speaker 4: the Chiefs, I believe, and he handled himself really, really well.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see how that portrays and builds going forward.

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Speaker 2: More on those matchups, and then we've got a Sunday

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Speaker 2: night affair. Well, we've got all the accolades. Is this

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Speaker 2: the road to Levi's we'll find out.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: one of your National Football League season. This is Fox

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Speaker 2: Football sundaylt Mike Carbon alongside me forty six years NFL films,

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Speaker 2: Colin refers to his segment each and every week. That's

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Speaker 2: right as the meat, there's fluff, there's other things. You

839
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Speaker 2: got your appetizers. And then Greg comes on and lays

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Speaker 2: down the hammer of what he's seen on tape. We're

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Speaker 2: blessed to have him with us, looking forward to a

842
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Speaker 2: very exciting campaign. That first hour was pure poetry in motion,

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Speaker 2: Greg cosal.

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess that we set a standard, right, Mike,

845
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Speaker 4: Now we got a seed it. We have another hour.

846
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: What's it we're gonna get even? Well, we got a

847
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Speaker 2: lot of big matchups and a lot lot more storylines because,

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Speaker 2: let me tell you, this offseason, only a couple of

849
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Speaker 2: teams really dominated. So starting today we actually talk about

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Speaker 2: what the other twenty seven ish man. There's a couple

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Speaker 2: that will reference every once in a while high Browns fans. No,

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Speaker 2: actually they ruled the off season anyway. Hey, look, Joe

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Speaker 2: Flacco may be a lead against this Cincinnati defense, though.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Joe Flacco. You know what, He's from South Jersey,

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Speaker 4: here near where I am. So I've gotten to know

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Speaker 4: Joe over the years, and you know, I think he's

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Speaker 4: one of those guys that when he's seventy five years old, Mike,

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Speaker 4: he'll probably throw the ball the same way he throws

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Speaker 4: it right now.

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Speaker 2: Still spinning it like no one Ryan when he comes

861
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Speaker 2: out for a first pitch, right an eighty five mile

862
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: an hour laser straight down the heart of the plate.

863
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 4: Well, Flacco, he taught me something years ago, which you know,

864
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 4: once he said it, I probably knew it. But you know,

865
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 4: we've done some stuff with him. You know, I got

866
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 4: to know him a little bit, and he always said

867
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 4: that when it comes to arm strength, arm strength is

868
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 4: not throwing a deep ball, because most guys can throw

869
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 4: a deep ball. He said, arm strength is being able

870
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 4: to drive the ball between the numbers at let's say

871
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 4: twenty two to twenty five yards, where you've got to

872
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: throw it between people and you've really got to put

873
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 4: tremendous velocity on it. He said, that's what arm strength

874
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 4: really is.

875
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,240
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876
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,200
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877
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,319
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878
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879
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,160
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880
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,799
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881
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: get to the Marquee matchup of Sunday night here in

882
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Speaker 2: a second, Greg, But we had the five man. I mean,

883
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: it's usually a three three shell game, but a lot

884
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: of figures. They're in Cleveland for the quarterbacking position. But

885
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco, the KG veteran, as you lay it out,

886
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I love watching the guy play, and so

887
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: long as he's still on a football field, I don't

888
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: feel so old. So I hope he plays forever.

889
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. I mean, Joe's look.

890
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 4: The thing is, we know Joe He's going to force

891
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 4: some balls because that's just the way he plays. You know,

892
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 4: he's very confident in his arm, and you know, you

893
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 4: just hope he doesn't throw the two or three picks.

894
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 4: But he can make throws to this day that still

895
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 4: a lot of quarterbacks can't make.

896
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: It's funny because that's one of the games. You know,

897
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: as people do their pick segments and everything else, it

898
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: becomes the and I know my partner Jason Smith during

899
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: the week at how about a fresco for those that

900
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: want to harass him during the Jets Steelers game. We'll

901
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: get to that one later. It's only a five point

902
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: spread at Cleveland. And we've seen the slow starts from

903
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: Cincinnati in the past, at least defensively. Yeah, they brought

904
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: back Hendrickson and your draft Sanders. I guess he's a

905
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: guy that showed he's willing to go to the wall

906
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: because he did hit Joe Burrow in a practice. But

907
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: beyond that, you've got a defense that suspect and a

908
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: guy like Joe Flacco can find Jerry Judy in some

909
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: of those deep threats to make this a game. How

910
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: does Cincinnati get away from what has been such as

911
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: troubled September year after year.

912
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously defense is the number one question here.

913
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 4: We know what Burrow in that offense is. I mean,

914
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 4: I think they lost games last year, four or five

915
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 4: of them where they scored thirty three or more points.

916
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 4: That's unheard of. So this is a different defense with

917
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 4: Al Golden is now there is the DC. You always

918
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 4: hear the term while he's going to simplify it. I

919
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 4: think that's a bad term in terms of people's minds

920
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 4: because it makes it seem like the players aren't smart.

921
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 4: But I think when coaches do that, what they're trying

922
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 4: to do is they're trying to get the players to

923
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 4: be able to play fast all the time, not to

924
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 4: give them too much on their plate in terms of

925
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 4: what they're looking at. So, in other words, you don't

926
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 4: want to get caught up in an offense. Well, if

927
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 4: they're in this formation, we do this. If they're in

928
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 4: this formation, we do this. If we see this motion,

929
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 4: then we do this. You know, all coaches can coach

930
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 4: that and do that, but the players have to be

931
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: able to execute all that. And sometimes it's not a

932
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 4: function of intelligence. There's just too much on their plate.

933
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 4: So every defensive coordinator has rules. These are our rules

934
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 4: when we face certain things. So just play our rules

935
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 4: and now play fast instead of trying to really try

936
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 4: to decipher everything in our offense is doing. And I

937
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 4: think that's one of the things Al Golden is trying

938
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 4: to get done.

939
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 3: There.

940
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: So from the Battle of Ohio to a battle Sunday

941
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: Night football ISO for the world, we get Baltimore and

942
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: Buffalo again. You know, just to help inform the conversation,

943
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: fifty and a half is the over underline that has

944
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: been set. So get your popcorn. Get those fantasy lineups

945
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: replete with players on the off. These squads Baltimore missing

946
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: Isaiah Likely and Ricard, so a little bit of a

947
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: wrinkle there. But we look at Alan, we look at

948
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, the accolades, but it all comes down. It's

949
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 2: kind of like being here in Los Angeles and all

950
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: the conversations that you have about the Dodgers, Greg, like,

951
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: all right, wake me up when it's October and it's

952
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: winning time. Yeah, it's kind of the same thing with

953
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: both of these quarterbacks at this point.

954
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 4: You know, this is an intriguing game. There's two things

955
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 4: I would point to for this game. Number One, in

956
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 4: the divisional playoff game last year, something happened that probably

957
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 4: surprised everybody. The Bills dominated the game, running the football

958
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 4: against the number one run defense in the league in Baltimore,

959
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 4: and Baltimore's defense is still really really good. In fact,

960
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 4: that was not a Josh Allen game. Josh Allen only

961
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 4: threw for one hundred and twenty seven yards. They had

962
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 4: thirty six called runs in that game, Mike, and only

963
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: twenty three called passes, and they dominated the game on

964
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 4: the ground. My guess is that won't happen again. The

965
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 4: other factor is the secondary, the corner position for the Bills.

966
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 4: Due to injury, They're likely to start Dorian Strong, a

967
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 4: sixth round pick out of Virginia Tech, who, by the way,

968
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 4: I did his tape in detail coming out of VA Tech.

969
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 4: I really like this kid a lot, but he's a

970
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 4: rookie in this game. And don't forget Zay Flowers did

971
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 4: not play in that divisional playoff game a year ago.

972
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 4: So it'll be interesting to see the offensive approach by

973
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 4: the Ravens because Lamar Jackson has become so much better

974
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 4: throwing the football from the pocket. He's really good now

975
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 4: and Todd Monkin does an outstanding job with his concept.

976
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 4: So those two things stand out to me.

977
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 3: In that game.

978
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: We go back to last year and the questions. We

979
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: keep waiting for that cliff for Derrick Henry that never

980
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: seems to come. But you know, I'm a big believer

981
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: in giving proper credit to the offensive line line play.

982
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: We did it last hour talking about the Chargers. What

983
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: Joe Alt was able to do in place of the

984
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: inward Rashawn Slater and sliding over. Last year was the

985
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: first time that the Ravens had the luxury of a

986
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: healthy Ronnie Stanley. He's the anchor of what they've got

987
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: going again. So for Lamar Jackson, when you're looking at

988
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: that wide receiving corps, I don't think Mark Andrews is

989
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: going to drop a ball like that.

990
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 4: Again, No, no, And obviously, look, the Bills got ahead

991
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 4: in that game big with their run game, and then

992
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 4: of course the Ravens came back, and the Bills tried

993
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 4: to address their pass rush because it was not very

994
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 4: good last year with their four man d line, so

995
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 4: they tried to address that obviously in the offseason, bringing

996
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 4: in Joey Bosa, drafting in the second and fourth round,

997
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 4: two defensive tackles, so we'll see. Obviously, when you play Lamar,

998
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 4: your pass rush is totally totally different than it is

999
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 4: against other quarterbacks.

1000
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 3: So it's just a different animal.

1001
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: Going back to that lane contain that we talked about

1002
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: with Chris Jones though as well, right, because he will

1003
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: get out and make you pay with great regularity. But

1004
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: one of the more intriguing matchups I mean, we just

1005
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: got to like, right out of the gate, we just

1006
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: got so many heavyweights on the slate here, Greg, be

1007
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: remiss if we didn't give a couple of minutes, we

1008
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: got Detroit and green Bay. Detroit new coordinators on both sides.

1009
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: So Ben Johnson, we'll talk about him in a couple

1010
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: of minutes after the commercials and what he's got going

1011
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: on with Caleb Williams. Obviously Aaron Glenn gets his shot

1012
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: with the Steelers. So a little bit of a question

1013
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: as to, you know, a formulaically at least you know,

1014
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: from a theory in us outside looking in, what we're

1015
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: gonna see Green Bay makes the big splash from Micah Parsons.

1016
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: You know, me being I love the business of all

1017
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: of this, Greg, so like the nerd and me goes,

1018
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: is that because Mark Murphy's not in charge anymore that

1019
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: they went and made the Giants class. So philosophically, we're

1020
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: going to go and make a trade and bring in

1021
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: a guy with big money like that.

1022
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 4: Well, you know, as many games, Mike, this is one

1023
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 4: of those games where we could spend an hour just

1024
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 4: on this game.

1025
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 3: But let's look it. Let's look at Lions.

1026
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 4: Oh, Packers d You'd have to believe the Lions conceptually

1027
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 4: will not be any different. The new coordinator, Johnny Morton

1028
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 4: was there now and then it gets down to play

1029
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 4: calling in a game. None of us know that, so

1030
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 4: let's leave that alone.

1031
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: No offensive lineman plays, do you think, No, I'm just kidding.

1032
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: But let's think of it this way.

1033
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 4: What the Lions have done exceptionally well, and this has

1034
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 4: been a staple of Ben Johnson. He's trying to do

1035
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 4: this in Chicago is under center play action, which is

1036
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 4: kind of not something a lot of teams do in

1037
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 4: this league. Jared Goff last year had the most under

1038
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 4: center play action dropbacks of any quarterback in the league.

1039
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 4: He's really good at it. There's no quarterback in this

1040
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 4: league that throws the ball better between the numbers at

1041
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 4: the intermediate levels. I'm talking, let's say, sixteen to twenty

1042
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 4: five yards than Jared Goff. That's the foundation of their

1043
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 4: passing game. Jeff Hafley is the coordinator for the Packers.

1044
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 4: He was there last year. He's basically a four down guy,

1045
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 4: and they stunt an awful lot. That's what they do

1046
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 4: on defense, particularly on third down. We don't know how

1047
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 4: many snaps. Micah Parsons will play today because of the

1048
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 4: back injury, but I think that that's what you'll see.

1049
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: A lot of.

1050
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 4: You'll see a lot of stunting. And one name to

1051
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 4: keep in mind on their defense as this season progresses

1052
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 4: is the second year linebacker Eddrian Cooper. He was a

1053
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 4: great pass rusher at Texas A and M and last

1054
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 4: year as a rookie had to get his feet wet.

1055
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 4: But it would not surprise me if he becomes a

1056
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 4: really important piece of their pass rush.

1057
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: It's going to be the curiosity, right. A lot of

1058
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: injury and attrition there for Detroit a year ago, so

1059
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: back and fully formed Hutchinson and everybody ready loaded for bear.

1060
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: The other part that the Packers did maybe a little

1061
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: out and maybe it gets over exaggerated because they used

1062
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 2: to draft guys in the second round, but they draft

1063
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: golden in the first for Jordan Love. I know last

1064
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 2: year the graphic they needed like a second screen with

1065
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: the number of guys, like look at all these guys

1066
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: from the Packers that have four hundred yards right, Like

1067
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: that's great, but do you have a guy when the

1068
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: game is on the line that you trust. It looks

1069
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 2: like they may have, at least on paper, found their guy.

1070
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1071
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 4: I loved his tape coming out. But the other interesting thing,

1072
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 4: which we never know with the draft is I think

1073
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 4: they drafted him in the twenties, right, That's where yeah,

1074
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 4: I drafted Yeah. But for all we know, he might

1075
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 4: have been a top ten player on their board and

1076
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 4: then you get to the twenties and they just have

1077
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 4: to draft the best player. So we don't know if

1078
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 4: they drafted him because they felt like they had to

1079
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 4: get better at receiver, or they just said to each

1080
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 4: other when it came to their pick, Hey, this guy's

1081
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 4: the ninth best player on our board. We got to

1082
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 4: draft them. We don't know that that's the thing. But

1083
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 4: I really like Golden. I thought he was an ascending

1084
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 4: player in the second half of the season at Texas,

1085
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 4: and I'm anxious to see him because Jordan Love is

1086
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 4: another one of those guys that he's just in terms

1087
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 4: of pure talent at the cour quarterback position. He's probably

1088
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 4: top five or six in the league.

1089
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: One of the most intriguing matchups that one in the

1090
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: late window for US replete with great matchups eight divisional matchups.

1091
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 2: As you mentioned in hour one, Greg Let's get one

1092
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 2: more matchup, Ben while we're here. We've got Tampa in Atlanta,

1093
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: Michael Penis Junior, while Kirk Cousins waiting stews and waiting

1094
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: for an injury or something new before or for a

1095
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: team to just get fed up with their quarterbacking position

1096
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 2: and obviously figuring out buyouts and all that fun business

1097
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: out of it. But Tampa four straight years they've won

1098
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 2: this division, looking to make it five with Baker Mayfield.

1099
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's part of this matchup that intrigues

1100
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 4: me the most is Todd Bowles and all his blitzing.

1101
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 4: Always one of the highest percentage blitzing defenses in the league,

1102
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 4: and he does it in so many different ways versus

1103
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 4: Michael Pennix. But it's not only Michael Pennix. Remember, the

1104
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 4: right tackle for the Falcons is out for the year,

1105
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 4: so it's essentially a backup playing right tackle. But I

1106
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 4: love Michael Penix and the way he plays. I've always

1107
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 4: been partial based on film study for years and years

1108
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 4: and studying the NFL to quarterbacks that are aggressive throwing

1109
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 4: the ball at the intermediate and deeper levels, because I

1110
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 4: believe that at some point you have to do that.

1111
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 4: Now again, there's many variables that go with that. So

1112
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 4: I don't want people to think that if a quarterback

1113
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 4: doesn't do that, it means he can't be any good.

1114
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 3: But Pennix is very aggressive.

1115
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 4: He was like that at Washington, and it'll be interesting

1116
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 4: in this game with all the pressure schemes that he

1117
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 4: is likely to face, how that plays out. But he

1118
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 4: throws a beautiful ball. They've got a solid, not great

1119
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 4: receiving core, but solid. And you know, it's funny, Mike.

1120
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 4: You know me, I'm sure I don't really make bold

1121
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 4: controversial statements because I watched tape and this will probably

1122
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 4: come across as a bold controversial statement, but to me, it's.

1123
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 3: Not at all.

1124
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 4: I think the most complete complete running back in the

1125
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 4: league is Bjhon Robinson.

1126
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 2: He's a monster. Yeah. I always questioned a couple of

1127
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: years ago, his rookie year. I just felt like he

1128
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 2: was put in a box.

1129
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's so good.

1130
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 4: He's great in past protection and that's something, of course,

1131
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 4: that is part of a running backs responsibility. And he's

1132
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 4: a really terrific receiver who is much more than just

1133
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 4: a screen guy or a checkdown guy.

1134
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 2: You know what's funny The rookie premiere, right, So it's

1135
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 2: a thing that they do out here in Los Angeles.

1136
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: It's mutated over time, but once upon a time I

1137
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: was one of the few guys that would go there

1138
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: to cover it, right, because I bring him in for

1139
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: all the trading guard shoots and everything, and guys would

1140
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: just be hanging around, you know, signing cards and waiting

1141
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: for their turn in front of the camera. And you

1142
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: get a chance to sit down with them. And I'd

1143
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: always ask the rookie running backs how much time they

1144
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: were spending in front of the mirrors with their footwork.

1145
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 2: And some guys got it immediately, was like, you kidding me.

1146
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: Coach sent me the book and he's like, if I

1147
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 2: can't do that, I'm not getting on the field. Right,

1148
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 2: It's all about pass protection. The other some other guys,

1149
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: you'd have to walk them all the way through and

1150
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: really get through it. But some of them like, yeah,

1151
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: I can run the football. I didn't have to do

1152
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: much of that in college. So this is a different world.

1153
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 4: So you've seen Bejon in person. I saw him at

1154
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 4: Radio Row with the Super Bowl this year in person,

1155
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 4: and you know, just obviously in street clothes, not in

1156
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 4: ut sure, and he freaking look like a linebacker.

1157
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 3: No, that's right, he is a big, big man.

1158
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh the difference in me being you know,

1159
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: I've got short guy, you know, fire plug body type.

1160
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: So I cheer for guys like uh, you know, Kyler

1161
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: Murray and all those guys because I need the little

1162
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: guy to succeed sometimes Greg in its league of such bohemos.

1163
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 4: Well, then we'd probably be we'd probably be Mutt and

1164
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 4: Jeff than Mike, because I'm I'm you know, I used

1165
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,959
Speaker 4: to be six four, but I think, you know, getting older.

1166
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 3: I think now I'm only six three.

1167
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: That's okay. We could probably we can get you that

1168
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 2: inch back. There's plenty of plenty of things. And look,

1169
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 2: we could just be making an NBA player and you

1170
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: want to be six seven, we can do that.

1171
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 4: Hey, you know what my claim to fame is. In

1172
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 4: high school, you know who? I went head to head again.

1173
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 4: Now this is for the older people you'll probably remember.

1174
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 4: Now I'm not saying you're old, but in high school

1175
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 4: I went head to head against Ernie Grunfeld.

1176
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: Oh wow, now now we're talking that need needless.

1177
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 3: To needless to say he got the better of it.

1178
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 2: Fantastic run see, we'll let folks go in Wikipedia that

1179
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: one the other back to just again trying to educate

1180
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 2: and bring everybody in the level of acumen. Maybe folks

1181
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: aren't aware Michael Penis Junior being a left handed quarterback,

1182
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 2: which is why Greg called out the fact that they're

1183
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: with a backup right tackle for the season on one

1184
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 2: of the interesting plays. A guy with great expectations Tampa,

1185
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 2: the Mike Evans. I think I was down there visiting

1186
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: my folks a couple weeks ago. They were talking about

1187
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 2: how much he was extolling the virtues of the TV

1188
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: twelve diet. So maybe he'll play forever too.

1189
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 4: Right, Well, you know, it's funny. One of the things

1190
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 4: they were great at last year and it's so critical

1191
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 4: was red zone. Baker Mayfield through the third most touchdown

1192
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 4: passes in the red zone. And obviously, now that you

1193
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 4: mentioned Evans, they can score in the red zone in

1194
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 4: multiple ways. There's usually two ways teams can score matchups,

1195
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 4: which Evans gives you because of his size and schematics,

1196
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 4: and they are really good with their schematics in the

1197
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 4: red zone. Now, obviously they've got a new offensive coordinator

1198
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 4: this year, so we'll see how that all plays out.

1199
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 2: You add a Buka to the receiving core. He picks

1200
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 2: up while they work for God when they love back. Yeah, yeah,

1201
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 2: potential for some great things for him. And then you

1202
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: got Bucky Irving in the Backfield's also on one of

1203
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: my other lists of guys that I love because he

1204
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: holds grudges for all the teams passing on him. Like

1205
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: I'm on Ross Saint Brown. Here's all the backs that

1206
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: were taking ahead of me. Yeah, here's all the wide receivers.

1207
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: I like guys that play with that chip and motivator.

1208
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Rashad White's a really good receiver the other backs,

1209
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 4: so they've got a really nice, complimentary backfield. They even

1210
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 4: get Sean Tucker out there once in a while. But

1211
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 4: Buka is fascinating. I listened to him speak at the

1212
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 4: podium at the Combine. That kid sounds like a ten

1213
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,479
Speaker 4: year pro. He's just one of those guys you knew

1214
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 4: walking away from hearing him speak.

1215
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 3: This guy's gonna make it, without a question.

1216
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,280
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1217
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,640
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1218
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,960
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1220
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1221
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1222
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1223
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1224
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1227
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,480
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1228
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: filibustered long enough. It's time to break down the Bears.

1229
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,000
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1230
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:29,920
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1235
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: Radio working into a lather.

1236
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: Couple more hours, Yeah, that countdown clock towards the beginning

1237
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: of another arduous campaign. We got you covered here Fox

1238
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,280
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1239
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: half hour, you got Countdown to Kick, presented by Bet

1240
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 2: MGM with Brian Jeff and Bill as they get you

1241
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: set through some of the different angles and a different

1242
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: lens of different prism with me, I'm Mike Rman alongside

1243
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: Greg Cosell, NFL Films forty six years, the godfather of

1244
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 2: x's and o's. There you go. I'm putting you in

1245
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 2: a suit and I'm gonna I'm gonna have a string

1246
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 2: quartet playing in the background with some of the takes.

1247
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 3: What do you think, just as long as you don't

1248
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 3: kiss my hand, No that's right.

1249
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's you know, pay tribute other way,

1250
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 2: say I'll send you some Chicago pizzas or something. As

1251
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: we get things going, you got the YouTube channel, you

1252
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 2: got everything going on on Twitter at Greg Cosell. Check

1253
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: out some of his latest breakdowns and obviously evangelize what

1254
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 2: we do here. We've got two hours each and every

1255
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: Sunday to break down games and I fill abustered long enough. Greg.

1256
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: Over the course of the summer, you know, we talk

1257
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: about the good, the bad, the ugly of games and

1258
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: coverage in this league and what gets overblown, over hyped

1259
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: and overcooked. And my beloved Chicago Bears have certainly fit

1260
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: all of those criterion for this year. As Ben Johnson

1261
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 2: takes over and Caleb Williams a guy that you know

1262
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 2: based on who he is, the college resume, a little

1263
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: bit of I guess, the flamboyancy when you talk about

1264
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: painting your nails that you know, blue collar town Chicago.

1265
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,479
Speaker 2: You got some division over that before he even takes

1266
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: a snap. And then coming off of last year, which

1267
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: there were some highs, right you look at if you

1268
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 2: just take the line score of his stats other than

1269
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: a little bit of a low completion percentage to say, well,

1270
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: it looks pretty good, right touchdown to interception ratio, I

1271
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: say he didn't take enough chances, which he absorbed too

1272
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: many sacks. So while that offensive line wasn't good, he

1273
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 2: also didn't get rid of the ball. Here's here's a

1274
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: clip Greg before we get into the what you've seen

1275
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: on tape from Ben Johnson of his expectations.

1276
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 6: He's so young, you know, and there's there's a lot

1277
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 6: he's learning, but he's a sponge right now. I mean,

1278
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 6: he was up in my office a couple of days

1279
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 6: ago and we watched a couple games together and he's

1280
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 6: just the entire time anything I would say, I see

1281
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 6: him jotting it down in his notebook, and so that's

1282
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 6: an encouraging thing right now.

1283
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 3: With where we're at, We're going to grow together.

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01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 6: This offense is going to grow together with him, and

1285
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 6: you know, there would be some bumpy steps along the way,

1286
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 6: but that's okay.

1287
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 3: That's that's the nature of doing it.

1288
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Speaker 6: But I feel really good about where he's at right now,

1289
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 6: and there's no reason why we can't win this year.

1290
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Speaker 2: A lot of big time players. They bring in Luther Burden,

1291
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 2: they had Roma Dunza and Dj Moore, you add Lovelin

1292
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 2: from Michigan the backfield. You've got three running backs that

1293
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: look like they can fit the bill if they need to.

1294
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 2: A ton of attention to the offensive line, and then

1295
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 2: you bring in Ben Johnson to help him unlearn things

1296
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 2: from a year ago and add concepts including that under

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01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 2: snap under center kind of play that really has not

1298
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: been part of his arsenal to date. So yeah, really

1299
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 2: trying to relearn the quarterback position on the fly would

1300
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: seem to me, Greg.

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Speaker 3: And that's correct.

1302
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Speaker 4: And you know, I don't know if you saw this,

1303
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 4: I'm sure a lot of people listening. Did the quarterback

1304
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 4: series that we do at NFL Films this past show

1305
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 4: that had Jared Goff, Joe Burrow, and Kirk Cousins. But

1306
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 4: at the beginning of episode three, there was about a

1307
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 4: five to seven minute opening where all they did, all

1308
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Speaker 4: three guys, going back and forth, back and forth, back

1309
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 4: and forth. All they did was talk about what happened

1310
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 4: before the ball was even snapped. Okay, think about that

1311
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 4: for a minute. That's called the operational part of playing quarterback.

1312
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Speaker 4: That is the number one key thing that Caleb Williams

1313
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 4: must master in a Ben Johnson offense because very often

1314
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 4: there are multiple play calls in the huddle, then there

1315
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 4: are alerts, and then in the Ben Johnson offense, there's

1316
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 4: a lot of shifts and motions. So Williams has to

1317
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 4: master all that mike so he can get to the

1318
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Speaker 4: line of scrimmage when there's still ten eleven to twelve

1319
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 4: seconds on the play clock, so that the shifts and

1320
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 4: the motions can happen, so that he can investigate and

1321
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,439
Speaker 4: research the defense and understand what he's looking at. All

1322
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 4: this has to happen before the ball's even snapped, and

1323
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 4: that is a really critical off and overlooked part of

1324
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 4: quarterbacking that is absolutely essential in a Ben Johnson offense.

1325
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 4: That Caleb Williams has to master and that's why one

1326
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 4: of the things, one of the reasons why Ben Johnson

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01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,919
Speaker 4: says they'll be bumpy parts because as you get into

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01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 4: a game and the coach starts calling different plays and

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01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 4: whatever based on the game and how it's progressing. That's

1330
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 4: where Caleb Williams has to be able to assimilate that

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01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 4: in a heartbeat well.

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Speaker 2: And you also don't get any favors right off the jump.

1333
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 2: You get a divisional matchup Monday night football, primetime television

1334
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: with all of the chaos and noise around this change

1335
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 2: and what Caleb Williams had as a rookie, and you

1336
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: get Brian Flores.

1337
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Speaker 4: When you get Brian Flores, and you're right, and Brian

1338
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 4: Flores is a master at showing all these front looks

1339
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 4: with five, six, seven on the ball on the line

1340
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 4: of scrimmage and sometimes five rush, sometimes six rush, sometimes

1341
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 4: three rush. So there's a lot that goes from the

1342
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 4: pre snap to the post snap where the picture totally changes.

1343
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 4: Now we're getting to the post snap phase of playing quarterbacking.

1344
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 4: So you have the pre snap phase. Now we're getting

1345
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 4: to the post snap phase. And when you open the

1346
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 4: season with Brian Flores. That's a difficult thing. Although in

1347
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 4: the first matchup last year against Brian Flores, and I

1348
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 4: know it wasn't Ben Johnson. I thought Caleb Williams handel

1349
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 4: himself very very well in that first matchup, not quite

1350
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 4: as well in the second matchup.

1351
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of it to me watching him and

1352
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 2: going back and really probably spending way too much time

1353
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,439
Speaker 2: watching it for my own mental health. Off it, Greg

1354
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 2: was the just decision that the plays guys make as

1355
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 2: collegiate athletes. And we've seen it with so many We

1356
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 2: watched it just the other day. You know, Mahomes scrambling.

1357
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 2: Most of the time it worked. Sometimes you take that

1358
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 2: fifteen yard sack that Caleb would find himself doing that right,

1359
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 2: that spin back that always called the video game move

1360
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 2: because they used to have the glitch in the the

1361
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 2: early games where if you ran back twenty yards and

1362
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: then you let it go, it was like firing a cannon.

1363
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 2: So Caleb was doing a lot of that, hoping, wishing

1364
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: that containment would be broken and he'd stay up long enough,

1365
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 2: and instead it became deep sacks, putting them behind the marker.

1366
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 4: Well, it's funny because I think most people think that

1367
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 4: sacks are on the old line, and listening to Tom

1368
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,479
Speaker 4: Brady last year do games and he knows a little

1369
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 4: bit more about this than I do. I would say,

1370
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 4: and he said that basically ninety nine percent of quarterback

1371
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 4: sacks are on the quarterback and teams have done studies

1372
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 4: over the years, Mike that quarterbacks that get sacked a

1373
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 4: lot in college, that trend tends to continue in the NFL. Now,

1374
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 4: obviously Ben Johnson is acutely aware of that, so he's

1375
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 4: going to really work on that to make sure that

1376
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams plays within timing and structure. Even if you

1377
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 4: throw the check down, whatever it is, get the ball out.

1378
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 4: This is the NFL. You're not going to run around

1379
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 4: and you're certainly not going to retreat backwards. You can't

1380
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 4: do that in the NFL.

1381
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 2: What I can't wait to say he is a shot

1382
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 2: chart at the end of a game that doesn't look

1383
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 2: like it did most of last year Greg, which was

1384
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 2: five yards behind the line of scrimmage and five yards

1385
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: in front of it. That maybe there are some shots

1386
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 2: downfield odd time and accuracy a little more frequently than

1387
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 2: what we watched.

1388
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 4: And the other parts you mentioned is playing under center,

1389
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 4: because that's an important piece of Ben Johnson offense because

1390
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 4: the play action pass game under center, where you turn

1391
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 4: your back to the defense MIC, that's a learned trait

1392
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 4: because in the NFL, the defense is not in the

1393
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 4: same position before you turn your back as it is

1394
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 4: after your you know, when you come back and look

1395
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 4: at them after you've turned your back, so you know

1396
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 4: this is These are all things that Caleb Williams has

1397
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 4: to learn.

1398
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 2: Now.

1399
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 3: The bottom line is, though he is a beautiful throw

1400
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 3: over the football, I mean it is.

1401
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 4: It is as pretty to watch as any quarterback in

1402
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 4: the league, the way he throws a football.

1403
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 2: Well, let's go on the other side of the matchup

1404
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 2: because the first look, we're going to get at JJ

1405
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 2: McCarthy in a big way against this Bears defense. No

1406
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 2: Addison he suspended the first couple of weeks. You got

1407
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 2: justin Jefferson, you got Howkinson, you got Jones in the

1408
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 2: backfield with Mason, so you've got your weaponry around him.

1409
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 2: What are you expecting to see out of McCarthy and

1410
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: what the Minnesota offense sets up.

1411
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 4: It's hard to know, though. Kevin O'Connell's really good, and

1412
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 4: i'll tell you one thing that stood out to me.

1413
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 4: I watched McCarthy in college, you know, when he came out,

1414
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 4: and there were some concerns I had with his footwork,

1415
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 4: with his drops in the first preseason game, and that

1416
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 4: was the only game he played, which was last year. Obviously,

1417
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell fixed that all summer. Everything was smoother. And

1418
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 4: Kevin is so good with quarterbacks and the mechanics of

1419
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 4: the position, something that's often overlooked as well. So I

1420
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 4: don't know what to expect from McCarthy, Mike, Honestly, I

1421
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 4: don't know. I can't yet. I just don't know the

1422
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 4: answer to that. But I guarantee that in a lot

1423
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 4: of the mechanics and fundamentals of the position, he will

1424
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 4: have improved.

1425
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 2: Well, it's the beauty of the curiosity of it, right

1426
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 2: because at Michigan it wasn't put on his shoulder. He

1427
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 2: made the throws he needed to, but because he didn't

1428
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 2: have gaundy numbers and statistics, there's just a lot of well,

1429
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: we don't know. It's like, well, he's still threw more

1430
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 2: passes than a lot of these other guys that have

1431
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 2: been drafted his first round picks. So now coming off

1432
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 2: an injury, and certainly a fourteen win season, you know,

1433
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 2: the expectations are there. We would expect a bit of

1434
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 2: a regression in that win total to reflect it in

1435
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 2: the marketplace, right, all those one score victories and narrow escapes.

1436
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 2: But Sam Darnold that I think got short shrift for

1437
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 2: his run last year. I mean, it didn't end well,

1438
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 2: But I also don't know At times going back and

1439
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 2: watching it, I haven't you know, checked back on that,

1440
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 2: you know, as we get ready for this year. But

1441
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 2: in the moment, I thought maybe he got a little

1442
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 2: bit of a bad play. Not that he was great,

1443
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 2: but I don't think that the play calling and situationally

1444
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 2: they did him a lot of favors. And now he

1445
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 2: goes to Seattle to try to restart there.

1446
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting you mentioned that just as a quick segue.

1447
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 4: One reason they wanted Sam Donald is because, just like

1448
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 4: in a Ben Johnson offense, Kevin O'Connell's offense had a

1449
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 4: ton of under center play action and Donald was phenomenal

1450
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 4: at it last year in Minnesota. And Clint Kubiak is

1451
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 4: now the OC in Seattle, and he comes from that

1452
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 4: kind of Shanahan school where the quarterbacks under center quite

1453
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 4: a bit, and so they wanted Donald as opposed to

1454
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 4: Gino Smith because Donald was so good at it last

1455
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 4: year in Minnesota, and it fit Kubiak's whole offensive philosophy,

1456
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 4: which is kind of his own run game and the

1457
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 4: play action pass game off of that.

1458
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 2: So we got a couple more quarterbacks we want to

1459
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 2: break down and games as we're here in week one,

1460
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 2: and we'll do that in a few minutes, But first

1461
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 2: we go over to the newsdask first time today, working

1462
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 2: up a big lather. He's got an angel City FC

1463
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 2: game later on this afternoon. It's the Legend, the Man,

1464
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 2: the Myth. It's Isaac Low and Gron.

1465
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 7: Thank you, Mike, Good morning to you and Greg. We

1466
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 7: have some fresh NFL quarterbacking news. The Arizona Cardinals have

1467
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 7: just added quarterback Kyler Murray to their injury report for

1468
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,879
Speaker 7: their game today at New Orleans due to illness. However,

1469
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 7: Murray does not have a game status and the Cardinals

1470
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 7: said he will play. Murray in fact, arrived at the

1471
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 7: Superno moments ago wearing what can best be described as

1472
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:20,520
Speaker 7: oversized georts, So even though his game status is not questionable,

1473
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 7: his fashion sense apparently.

1474
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,839
Speaker 2: Is anyway, given his size, aren't those just pants?

1475
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 7: It could be borrowed from Gardner Minshew, well, you got

1476
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 7: to get some style. We will be doing a deep

1477
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 7: dive into that elsewhere. Detroit Lives receiver Jamison Williams has

1478
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 7: agreed to a three year extension worth up to eighty

1479
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 7: three million dollars. In college football, on Saturday night, Mississippi

1480
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 7: State knocked off twelfth ranked Arizona State twenty four to twenty.

1481
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 7: Blake Shape at the game, but fifty eight yard touchdown

1482
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 7: pass to Brennan Thompson with thirty seconds to go. Eighteenth ranks,

1483
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 7: Oklahoma defeated number fifteen Michigan twenty four to thirteen, despite

1484
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 7: Michigan running back Justice Haynes running for one to twenty five.

1485
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 7: In Major League Baseball, on Saturday night, Los Angeles Dodgers

1486
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 7: pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto was one out away from a no

1487
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 7: hitter at Baltimore when the Oriols Jackson Holiday broke it

1488
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 7: up with a home run. The Oriols would then go

1489
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 7: on to score three more times at the bottom of

1490
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 7: the ninth inning to stun the Dodgers four to three.

1491
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 7: Padres one in Colorado ten to eight, so they trailed

1492
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 7: the Dodgers by one in the NL West and cal

1493
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 7: Rawleigh his major league leading fifty second home run in

1494
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 7: the Seattle Mariners eleven to two triumph at Atlanta.

1495
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Speaker 2: Mike and Greg all yours at Isaac Low and cron

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01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 2: where you find him in the Twitter verse. Look, it's

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01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,719
Speaker 2: an NFL show, But I got to editorialize that play

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01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 2: with the holiday home run for a second. I don't

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01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 2: know if you saw this. Greg. Ball goes up and

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Speaker 2: it's barely clearing the wall. Right fielder made no effort.

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Speaker 2: You got two outs in a no hitter in the ninth,

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01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 2: you're up three to nothing, and you're gonna look to

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01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 2: play the karm instead of trying to go after a

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01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 2: ball that they had to argue for a minute that

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01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 2: it actually cleared the wall. You're running last, You be

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01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 2: running laps like fran Brown had Syracuse after the win

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Speaker 2: against Yukon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did not see that. I did not see

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01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 3: the highlight.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable. We got guys diving into the stands, fighting fans whatever,

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01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 2: and to try to preserve a no hitter for a dude,

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01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 2: and then you go on to lose the game. Dodgers,

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01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 2: losers of five straight in a division nobody wants to win,

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01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 2: the NL West. Will continue with that later on in

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01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 2: the day. Maybe there'll be some baseball that finds its

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01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 2: way back into the show. But we've got more football

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01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 2: to talk about. Kyler Murray now on the injury list

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01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 2: with the illness, he's a curiosity. Bo Nicks and then

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01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 2: two quarterbacks making their last stand. Let's talk about all

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01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 2: of those quarterbacks in the particulars. Next, he's Greg Cosel

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01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: on Mike Harbin. It's Fox Football Sunday on Fox Sports Radio.

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01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 2: Welcome back in final a couple minutes of us here

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Speaker 2: for our run Fox Football Sunday. Blessed to be with you,

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01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us. In this inaugural episode, Mike

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01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 2: Harmen alongside Greg co Cell NFL films forty six years.

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01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 2: He's got the NFL Matchup Show. Check him out at

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01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 2: Greg co Cell in the Twitter verse. Anything else you

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01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,879
Speaker 2: want to plug, any meet and greets, any sandwich places

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01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 2: you like or anything.

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Speaker 4: And Mike, it's that time of year. I just go

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01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 4: home and I come to work. You know, it's that

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01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 4: time of year.

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Speaker 2: Did they just put a tray out in front of

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01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 2: your door for your office.

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Speaker 4: No, I've got a little mini refrigerator, so I don't

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01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 4: leave my office very often.

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Speaker 2: You know, I understand that the hydration. Like folks always say,

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01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 2: don't you really love football season? I'm like, I love it,

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01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 2: but I recognize what it does to me mentally and

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01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 2: physically over the course of the next twenty weeks.

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Speaker 3: Well, i'd always say yeah, yeah.

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01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 4: People always say to me, i'd love your job, and

1543
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 4: then I tell them I work seventy seventy five hours

1544
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 4: a week and they say, I'm not really sure I

1545
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 4: want to do that.

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01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 2: Well, that's what it takes, and that's longevity in the

1547
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 2: business comes on the heels of a lot of hard

1548
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,759
Speaker 2: work put in. So we appreciate it making us smarter.

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01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 2: One of the things is we're talking with the crew.

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01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 2: We've got Chris and Brionna making us sound so pretty,

1551
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 2: with Isaac at the news desk, and we'll get their

1552
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 2: opinions as we get and build the show, you know,

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01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 2: their respective teams and info. But as we're talking like terminology,

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01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 2: I think we're going to end up building the Greg

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01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 2: Cosell Dictionary is what we're kind of planning here.

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Speaker 4: Well, I want to make sure, we're clear, you know,

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01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 4: we're just talking ball, so but we want to get

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01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 4: in you know, I always feel like we want to

1559
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 4: get into the x's and o somewhat instead of just talking,

1560
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 4: you know, around the surface, because that's what I do.

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Speaker 3: I say every day.

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Speaker 4: I think I watched Tate probably three hundred and fifty

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01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 4: days out of the year, Mike, So.

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Speaker 2: That's I mean, I do that with Law and Order episodes.

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01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: So like we're kindred spirits.

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Speaker 3: Just is that the Special Victim Unit or the first

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Speaker 3: Law and Order.

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Speaker 2: I'm usually a Jerry Orbach original Law and Order kind

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Speaker 2: of guy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I liked him.

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01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 2: I liked him, yeah, you know, and as I'm older,

1572
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: I'm now understanding his character and dirty dancing even more

1573
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 2: so all of it. See, it all comes together, right,

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01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 2: it's all perspective. You want to continue, all right? We

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01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 2: got a couple last things we want to get to here, Greg,

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01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 2: before we get out, we mentioned Kyler Murray, a guy

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01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 2: that you know, a lot of expectations. We talked with

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01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence and others. Before You've got a rededication to

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01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 2: the defense where they drafted a ton you have Marvin

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01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior who inconsistent rookie year, I guess would be

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01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 2: the way to tag it. Trey McBride with the statistical

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01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 2: anomalies of the fear of the painted grass, all right,

1583
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 2: it schematically and height and all that come in in

1584
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 2: terms of throwing windows, James Connor, how much mileage is

1585
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 2: left on the tread? Can Trey bents and be the

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01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 2: guy to work alongside him. But Arizona team that really

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01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 2: intrigues me this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: They obviously because Jonathan Gannon being the head coach and

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01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 4: a defensive guy, they've really tried to do a lot

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01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 4: with that defense. They do a couple of things on

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01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 4: defense too. This I won't get into the weeds on

1593
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 4: because you almost have to see it, but they do

1594
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 4: some really cool things on the back end, which is

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01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 4: really has an impact more on the run game, believe

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01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 4: it or not, than the pass game. But he is

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Speaker 4: one of the most fascinating guys I've watched over these

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01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 4: last couple of years. I've always come away feeling that

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01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 4: I was uncertain as to what he is. You know,

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Speaker 4: obviously he has two or three unbelievable games Mike every season,

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01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 4: and usually those games result from him making improvisational second

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01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 4: reaction plays. He's not consistently decisive in his reads, and

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01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 4: that's a problem for a shorter quarterback because the result

1604
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 4: of that is that he'll create his own pressure by

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01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 4: holding the ball too long, and then that brings his

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01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 4: lack of size into play, because then the bodies get

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01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 4: too close to him, and because of his size, that

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01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 4: becomes a big issue.

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01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 3: So he needs to.

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01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 4: Become quicker with his reads, get rid of the football.

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01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 4: He can't just rely on the fact that he can

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01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 4: make special plays with his legs.

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Speaker 2: If you missed any of today's show, check out the podcast.

1614
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 2: Search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcast. Look

1615
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Speaker 2: for Fox Sports Weekends, Fox Football Sunday. Look for Cosell

1616
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Speaker 2: and Harmon. Right after the show, today's podcast gets posted.

1617
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Speaker 2: Brianna working on that as as we speak. Be sure

1618
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 2: to follow it, rate, give it five stars, give some commentary,

1619
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1620
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Speaker 2: a global enterprise even bigger. Send it to friends and family.

1621
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 2: I'll thank you, I'll do a walking tour and give

1622
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 2: you a big fat hug. Search Fox Sports Radio wherever

1623
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 2: you get your podcast. You'll find today's show posted right

1624
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 2: after we get off the air. Also a reminder coming

1625
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 2: up in about ten minutes from now, you've got Countdown

1626
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 2: to Kickoff, presented by Bett MGM. You've got Brian no,

1627
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 2: Bill Krackenberger and Jeff Schwartz again taking you to a

1628
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 2: different lens to make you smarter as you're making your

1629
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 2: plays and talking about the betting lines for today's events

1630
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 2: and tomorrow's big Monday Night finale. A couple last guys

1631
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 2: to get to here, Greg, we got Kyler Murrow, we

1632
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 2: check him. We've got one guy in year two and

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01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 2: boon Nix with Sean Banton and what we've seen brilliant

1634
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 2: year one. What's the encore?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 4: Well, what I really loved about bon Nixon, it probably

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01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 4: surprised a lot of people, maybe even including myself based

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01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 4: on his college tape, was his his arm strength. His

1639
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 4: ability to make those between the numbers throws that's sort

1640
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:11,879
Speaker 4: of the eighteen to twenty five intermediate level was really

1641
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 4: really good. And I got a chance to speak to

1642
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 4: bow Knicks before the draft last year, and I'm sure

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01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 4: this is one reason why Sean Payton drafted him. Bow Knicks,

1644
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 4: unlike almost every college quarterback, Mike he called his own

1645
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 4: protections and that's very, very rare for college quarterback, so

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01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 4: he was probably pretty advanced in his view of how

1647
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 4: to play the quarterback position.

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01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 2: I got a guess to some degree, you would have

1649
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 2: the chess match then between Sean Payton and Sean McVay

1650
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 2: of who wanted to fight for him in that regard.

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01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 2: Mcvay's got a quarterback on the other end of that

1652
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,719
Speaker 2: spectrum in Matthew Stafford. Jimmy Garoppolo also in the building.

1653
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 2: But they've got a big week one with Houston coming

1654
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 2: to town in a pass rush that may make that

1655
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 2: back tighten up really fast.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you something, both teams have pass rushes.

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01:18:58,080 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 4: Let's go with the Rams for a secon because that

1658
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 4: really intrigues me. Their four man d line pass rush.

1659
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 4: They stunt a ton. They're all really good athletes.

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Speaker 3: And keep this in mind.

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Speaker 4: The reason that they changed the Texans did their entire

1662
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 4: old line pretty much is they gave up the most

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01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 4: third down sacks a year ago. Stroud was sacked the

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01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 4: most on third down and they could not handle stunts

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Speaker 4: at all. And they're going to get a heavy dose today.

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Speaker 2: Last one really quick for you. We'll leave Russell Wilson

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01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 2: and Jackson Dart for another time. We'll do that next week.

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Speaker 3: Sure we've got to play a little Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We've exactly. We've got Aaron Rodgers against the Jets, his

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Speaker 2: old team. This one's a fun one for a lot

1671
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 2: of the headlines. How does it play well?

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Speaker 4: The big issue for me? The big issue is Rogers

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01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 4: and the coordinator, Author Smith, because Rogers is so smart

1674
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 4: before the snap. What's the balance between Smith calling the

1675
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 4: game and Rogers controlling the game.

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01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 2: Oh, maybe they'll fight on the sidelines. This will be great.

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Speaker 2: It's Greg Cosell making us smarter, all right. He's going

1678
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 2: to go off to his lab at Greg Cosell find

1679
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 2: me at Swollen Dome. Countdown to kick OFFF next on

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Speaker 2: Fox m