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Speaker 2: What an introduction, Cheryl. Thank you so much for having

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding? Let me tell you. I mean I

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Speaker 2: that I did on Scott Peterson when we were going

434
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 2: to trial, and it was called unfaithful and accused the

435
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: case against Scott Peterson, and it was my Edward R.

436
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: Murrow winning piece in that report, in that special that

437
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: I did. It was all my stuff. It was the

438
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 2: stuff because I lived. I went to Modesto and then

439
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,719
Speaker 2: I moved to Redwood City. I got an apartment and

440
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: I lived there. I lived there through the duration of

441
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 2: the trial and the sentencing hearing. But to back up,

442
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: when Lacy was missing, I know, now nobody's talking, right,

443
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: The neighbors don't talk. I even met Karen Servis, the

444
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: next door neighbor, in twenty twenty four, and I tried

445
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: to get her to talk to me, and she told

446
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 2: me that she couldn't speak on camera. She couldn't talk

447
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: because it was an ongoing case.

448
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: So there you go.

449
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 2: But all those years ago, in two thousand and three,

450
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 2: when the search was on, in the early stages after Christmas,

451
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: even in two thousand and two, there was a neighbor

452
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 2: that talked to me. I remember knocking on the door

453
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 2: and I got a lot. I got away with a

454
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 2: lot as a radio reporter, because if you're not on camera,

455
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 2: more people will talk to you. And it was a

456
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 2: neighbor across the street that told me that she had

457
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: had a conversation with Scott Peterson and he had told

458
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: her that he had been playing golf. I mean that's

459
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: been reported and documented, and it's been on all the documentaries.

460
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: But to hear a neighbor say that where it's on

461
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: the record, I have it and I'm going to play it.

462
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: Wow. And that's what I'm saying. Sometimes y'all capture things

463
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: that nobody else can. Everybody doesn't want to talk to

464
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: the police, but I don't hardly know anybody that won't

465
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: talk to a reporter, especially one like you, like my

466
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: buddy Karen Greer, that has this natural ease about them

467
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: where people do not feel intimidated, they're not pressured. It's just, hey,

468
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: let's have a conversation about what's happening.

469
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not always easy, and some people don't

470
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: want to talk at all, and for understandable reasons. But

471
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: we're also an outlet when people do have things that

472
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: they want to get off their chest, or they want

473
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: to talk about, or they want to talk through. It's

474
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: almost like we are a form of therapy sometimes for

475
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 2: people to talk with about events that they've witnessed, about

476
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: experiences that they're going through, missing a loved one, trying

477
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: to get the word out, and that's where we can

478
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: step in and really help. I really, really believe that

479
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 2: the reporters who care that get the news out there,

480
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: they get the details right, can really help solve cases,

481
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: can bring light and attention to stories that need to

482
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: be told.

483
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: They all need to be told.

484
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: We wish we could tell them all, you know, and

485
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 2: so we do what we can and a lot of times,

486
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: as you said, it ends up, unfortunately on the cutting

487
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 2: them floor. But we're picking up those tapes.

488
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: And moving forward with them. Love it. So tell us

489
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: about something you got to do in Maryland when you

490
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: retrace the steps of Rachel Morin.

491
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 2: When Rachel Morin was missing then found murdered in hard

492
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: For County, Maryland, it was it was another yet another

493
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: heartbreaking case. And then we had the arrest of the

494
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 2: suspect of Victor Martinez Hernandez, who was in the country illegally,

495
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: and God bless law enforcement who were able to track

496
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 2: him down at a state and get him under arrest.

497
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: Still just charged.

498
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: But you know, one of the things that we reported

499
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 2: on is she went for a jog and she was

500
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: in the woods, and until you get on that trail yourself,

501
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: you don't really understand it. So I had gone to

502
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: report on this and I had met up with her,

503
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 2: with her ex the father of her one of her children.

504
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: She had many, she had five children, I believe, And

505
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: we walked the path that she walked from the parking

506
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: lot to the very spot that she was taken to

507
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: in this huge drainage canal. It was difficult to imagine

508
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: in your mind what had happened. She was ambushed, she

509
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: was running, and we had kind of gone through it

510
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: that we believe the suspect was on one side of

511
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: the jogging trail. She comes around the corner, he grabs her,

512
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: pushes her over to the other side where the drainage

513
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 2: canal as drags her through the woods. But now there

514
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: are cameras, as we noted when we did our walkthrough,

515
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: and there's cameras along the entire trail, and we know

516
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: that that would have been helpful in the moment when

517
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: they were looking for her and looking for any signs

518
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: of her. But another devastating story, and it really one

519
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 2: of the things that we talked about was having a plan.

520
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: But you know, she's been jogging.

521
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: She had been jogging on that trail, the Maw and

522
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: Paw trails what it was called. She was a teenager,

523
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: I was told, and this was a familiar safe place

524
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: for her. She had plans to, I believe, go to

525
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: the tanning salon afterwards. She had made a call and said,

526
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: you know, she I'll see you later. I'm going to

527
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 2: go for a quick run. Obviously, if you've seen pictures

528
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: of her, she was extremely fit, very beautiful, thirty seven

529
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: years old, mother of five. And this happened on August fifth,

530
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and then her body was found the

531
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: following day, and it was just it was just absolutely devastating.

532
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: But to understand it, to go back and walk through it,

533
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: to walk that trail, was something that we felt was

534
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: important to do on News Nation and to share what

535
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: that looked like so we could have a better understanding

536
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: of it.

537
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: You know, it was important. And again, look what came

538
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: from your story. People are now protected there when they

539
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: weren't before.

540
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I was there with Matt McMahon, the father

541
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: of Rachel Moran's oldest child, we learned that she was

542
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: going to be a grandmother, if you can believe it,

543
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: Rachel Morrin, that she's a grandmother, and that her oldest

544
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: was expecting. So, you know, there's there's a lot to

545
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: be said about safety in this, and you can never

546
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: blame a victim ever with this kind of thing, and

547
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: it's just it's just one of those things that you

548
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: just think, you know, how how do I keep myself

549
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: safe jogging alone on a trail. You know a lot

550
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: of people said from that moment on that they would

551
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 2: be running with a buddy, that they would not go alone,

552
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: that they would make sure that their air earbuds were

553
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: not in and on loud.

554
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: And you know, everybody there for a little bit was

555
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: talking about Tupac Tupac and are we going to, you know,

556
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: finally get some answers out of Las Vegas. And one

557
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: thing that I thought that you did that was so

558
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: impactful and powerful is you went to the recording studio

559
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: in New York City where he was originally shocked. I

560
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: did well.

561
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: I was really close to that day, and in fact,

562
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: I was reporting on some protests, some Palestinian protests that

563
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: were going on down the road, and I was on

564
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: my way to the train, and this had all been

565
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: so fresh in the news, and you and I had

566
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: been talking and about this that happened in nineteen ninety four,

567
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: and I thought, you know, I'm right around the corner.

568
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to go see if I can just take

569
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: a look inside of the Quad Recording Studios building, because

570
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: I've seen it on the news and I've walked by

571
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: it a million times. I just didn't realize that that's

572
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: what it was. So I went over to Seventh Avenue

573
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: and you know, somebody opened the door. There was a delivery.

574
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: So I went in and I didn't go up the elevator,

575
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: but I wanted to see the size of the lobby

576
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: because when you hear about Tupac being shot in the lobby,

577
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: to me, my first image in my mind is just

578
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: this huge lobby, right that it came a shot came

579
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: from across this this large marble floor. But that's not

580
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: at all what it was like. It was a really

581
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: tiny space that would be the size of a kitchen

582
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: in a Manhattan apartment. With a gun pointed at him.

583
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: He's kind of trapped, you know, there's this barrel. Yeah

584
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: there is, There is nowhere to get, There was nowhere

585
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: to go. So yeah, I took some video of that.

586
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: I'll post that on the Angle edit. And it was

587
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: just a really interesting, just another layer right of understanding

588
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: the story as it happened all those years ago. What

589
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: it might mean to the story today if it involves Didty.

590
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about Ditty and all of the

591
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: cases going on with him. I went over to the MDC,

592
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: the Metropolitan Detention Center, to check that out. We did

593
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: a day of live shots outside of that facility, which

594
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: is you hear about how rough it is on the inside,

595
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: I can tell you it's rough on the outside. And

596
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 2: there was one loan supporter of Ditty that day driving

597
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: by with a sign out the window which was free Diddy,

598
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 2: which was crazy. But We've got a lot more to go,

599
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: and I've been in court many times this year, this

600
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: last year with Sean Combs in the courtroom watching him

601
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: and recording his family showing up at court with the

602
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: entourage that is his family, which is relatively large. So

603
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: we've got a lot of legal cases, a lot of

604
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: big crime cases ahead of us in twenty twenty five,

605
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: many of which we do expect big developments with. So

606
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: we've got a lot of road ahead of us.

607
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: Cheryl, I love it well. I can't wait to get

608
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: back in the car with you and Kenny and go

609
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: to some more spots because it was phenomenal, not just

610
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: to watch you worn't but to watch y'all worked together.

611
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: I just thought that was such a beautiful thing that

612
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: not only as a couple, but that's two professionals, y'all

613
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: work so well with each other.

614
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I'll pass that along to Kenny as well.

615
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: He's he's been a terrific cameraman and he's he's a

616
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: very skilled audio technician and a professional drummer, so he

617
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: knows sound very well. And yeah, we've been we've been

618
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: recording together and we'll see what happens next. We've got

619
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: a lot more to go. And one of the things

620
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: that we did, and just a real quick story before

621
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: we go at Christmas, we went to go visit my family.

622
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: I'm from Sacramento, which is why the Lacy Peterson story

623
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: resonated with me immediately and so soundly, with just feeling

624
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: like it was somebody that I knew because Modesto is

625
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: so close to Sacramento. So Scott Peterson is now housed

626
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: at Muell Creek State Prison, which is very close to

627
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: my cousin, and so whenever I am in town, I'm

628
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: very close to that area. And I was at my

629
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: cousin's Christmas party and I met somebody who is a

630
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 2: former corrections officer who spent a lot of time working

631
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: Mule Creek and was part of the transportation team. So

632
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: he had some stories and we were talking at the

633
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: Christmas party and I said, hey, can I can we

634
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow? We'd like to come and talk this out.

635
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: And so Kenny and I went and left and we

636
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 2: went to his ranch and we talked to him about

637
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: what life is like in Mule Creek State Prison, why

638
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: the transport, you know. One of the things that I

639
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: couldn't understand is that Scott Peterson has had the option

640
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: in these last few LA Innocence Project hearings in Redwood

641
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: City to have a field trip. He's the judge had

642
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: said to him, do you want to be in person

643
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: or do you want to be on zoom essentially via remote,

644
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: And he has chosen to be via remote every time.

645
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: And I would sit in the courtroom watching him on zoom,

646
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: thinking why wouldn't he want to take a trip. Why

647
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 2: wouldn't he want to, you know, see the road and

648
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: the flowers in the trees. And we talked about that

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Speaker 2: with this former corrections officer, and I thought his answers

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Speaker 2: were really interesting about what people go through to be

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Speaker 2: transported to court, and he had a theory on why,

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Speaker 2: and we'll share that.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, she's gonna leave y'all hang, and I love it.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear it, because you know, I

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Speaker 1: worked in the jail with the Fulk County Sheriff's Department

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Speaker 1: for eight years and I have my own theory. But

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to you about that offline to see if

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Speaker 1: I'm right or wrong. But Laura Engele, thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being own Zone seven, for being a

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Speaker 1: part of my Zone seven, and we cannot wait to

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Speaker 1: hear the angle.

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Speaker 2: Edit. I just want to thank you, Cheryl for not

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Speaker 2: only being such a support to me, but just somebody

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Speaker 2: who is encouraged me to continue to share these behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes stories that I do. And you know, sometimes

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Speaker 2: if you doubt yourself and you've got somebody that believes

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Speaker 2: in you, it pushes you on to that next level.

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Speaker 2: And that's where I have been with you, and I

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Speaker 2: want to thank you for being that spark with me

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Speaker 2: through these years of continuing to share these stories and

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Speaker 2: doing it together means a lot.

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Speaker 1: So I thank you, and y'all listen to her because

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. If y'all got somebody that is

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Speaker 1: not your cheerleader, they aren't supporting you. They you know,

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Speaker 1: don't clap and don't go hey, you can do it,

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Speaker 1: don't fall with them. If they are not, you know,

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Speaker 1: your biggest champion, they should not be in your zone

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Speaker 1: seven period. So I'm going to end Zone seven the

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Speaker 1: way that I always do with a quote. The profession

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Speaker 1: of journalism ought to be about telling people what they

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Speaker 1: need to know, not what they want to know. Walter Cronkite.

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Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl mccollumn, and this is one seven mm hmm