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Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet. As a production

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Speaker 1: of My Heart Radio and Unbust Creative, I'm Bridget Tod

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Speaker 1: and this is there Are No Girls on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: It's that time again. That's right, Happy Spotify rap season

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Speaker 1: to all who celebrate. For users of the music streaming

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Speaker 1: platform Spotify, this is the time of year when we

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Speaker 1: get are wrapped, a visual breakdown of how much and

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Speaker 1: what kinds of music we spent the year listening to

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Speaker 1: Spotify first debut It's Year in Music in but two

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Speaker 1: years later they added statistics about which artists and how

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Speaker 1: much time Spotify users spent listening. In twenty nineteen artists.

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Speaker 1: Jule Hamm, who was then an Internet Spotify designed the

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Speaker 1: pleasing social media friendly layout to communicate this data visually,

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Speaker 1: which leads us to the Spotify Wrap that takes over

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Speaker 1: our social media feeds this time of year, and it

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Speaker 1: really takes over. According to CNN, in the first hour

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Speaker 1: of Spotify Wrap release, the Twitter search showed the hashtag

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Speaker 1: Spotify wrapped had been used over fourteen thousand times. So

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Speaker 1: why do we love Spotify wraps so much? And what

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Speaker 1: does it tell us about our online selves? Now we

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Speaker 1: know that Spotify relies on algorithms and artificial intelligence to

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Speaker 1: surface music that we might like. It's actually one of

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Speaker 1: the main draws of Spotify over other music streaming platforms.

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't like the idea of a robot curating personalized

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Speaker 1: playlists for us while we sleep. But if we're consuming

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Speaker 1: music because Spotify's algorithm has picked it for us based

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Speaker 1: on our habits and what that algorithm has been able

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Speaker 1: to glean about our habits and identity, that means our

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Speaker 1: Spotify wrapped isn't so much a reflection of who we

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Speaker 1: truly are in our heart of hearts as it is

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Speaker 1: a reflection of who we are as defined by Spotify's AI.

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Speaker 1: They don't just show me my own tastes, preferences, and identity,

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Speaker 1: they also shape them. So in Spotify gives me my

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Speaker 1: wrap for the year, they're not just showing me that

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Speaker 1: these are the preferences of a thirtysomething black que or

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Speaker 1: already woman. It's also kind of creating what that identity means.

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Speaker 1: When we post our Spotify wrapped on social media, we're

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Speaker 1: and we're looking to see if our tastes are more impressive,

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Speaker 1: more cringeing more hip or more refined than our friends.

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Speaker 1: And in this way, Spotify has done a great job

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Speaker 1: of turning surveillance, the kind of thing that many of

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Speaker 1: us would be uncomfortable with in any other context, into

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Speaker 1: a fun digital personal branding opportunity. To be clear, I

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Speaker 1: am very much not above this, And in this special

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Speaker 1: holiday episode of There Are No Girls on the Internet,

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting down with my producer Mike to take my

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Speaker 1: very first look at my own Spotify Wrapped for the

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Speaker 1: year and dig into what it says about my identity

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Speaker 1: in this very weird digital age we all find ourselves in.

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Speaker 1: I just hope it's not too embarrassing to do in

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Speaker 1: this podcast. So I've really got to start this conversation

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Speaker 1: by lifting up Jewel Ham, the multimedia visual artist who

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Speaker 1: created what we know as Spotify Wrapped today. Spotify Wrapped

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Speaker 1: did exist before Jewel, but the kind of Spotify rap

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Speaker 1: that we see taking over her social media feeds if

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Speaker 1: you're feeding anything like mine, Jewel really did champion when

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Speaker 1: she was an intern at Spotify in twenty nineteen, and

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Speaker 1: I feel like she really didn't get her do that

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Speaker 1: is tail us old as time when it comes to technology.

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Speaker 1: Whenever there is something cool or interesting or unique or creative,

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Speaker 1: because it's it's audio, right, we're listening to and it's

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Speaker 1: And I think like that's something that's so funny about

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Speaker 1: Taman Paulo, well done. But when you post your own,

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Speaker 1: This year, I was so surprised at what was there. Uh,

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Speaker 1: listening to on Spotify. So I was like, what do

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Speaker 1: So as we know, Spotify is definitely algorithmically driven, and

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Speaker 1: so I was like, oh, uh, looks like you've spent

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Speaker 1: whole year. So absolutely true. It is the it's like

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Speaker 1: like they know, because they're elgo with them services surfaces

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna give you all my top three.

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Speaker 1: My number one play a song of one is Doja

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