WEBVTT - Knicks Win, Now Let’s Go Break Sh*t! What’s Up With Mob Mentality? 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:06.960 Hey, that folks. It is Sunday, June fourteenth, Dan, we won, 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:10.760 so let's tear shit up. And with that, welcome to 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:15.040 this episode of Amy and DJ. It's oh U four Sunday. 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.239 The Knicks with the championship for the first time in 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:20.960 fifty plus years. But Robes, why is it every time 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:25.360 we it's only after a win. It seems that those 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.280 fans just start tearing stuff up in the town. 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:32.040 And it's the reason why I never want to be 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:34.800 out there in the crowds. I look, both of my 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:38.880 daughters were last night. We are thousands of miles away. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.480 You set your alarm to watch the game. I woke 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.479 up just in time to see them win. But we 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.159 both were getting updates from our daughters there in New 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.920 York City, and it's always unnerving to know, at least 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.040 yours was safe up in her apartment, but to know 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.280 that they're out there. And yes, everyone should be happy, 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.440 everyone is celebrating. So why does it turn violence? 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:01.000 I don't unders We. 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.400 Say we don't understand. But when I tell you what 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.840 the scientists and the professors and the researchers who study 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.080 fan violence, what they say this is about, you go, Okay, 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.240 that makes very good sense, but we do want to 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.200 give your heads up. We wanted to hop on here. Yes, 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:16.319 give you a little history about why people do this 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.320 and some of the worst ones we've seen in history, 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.640 and some of the worst sports fans. Riots are not 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.160 fans pissed because they lost, it's them happy because. 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:25.760 They wont That's what I don't understand. 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:27.640 It'll all make sense, But yes, we want to give 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:28.920 an update at least of what we're seeing in New 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.520 York and Robes. The police are still piecing together New 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.200 York NYPD just how many arrests and even how many 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.200 people might have been injured and even matter had to 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:38.760 make their way to the hospital. But right now we 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.360 just want to give you the latest as we know 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:42.720 it as of this recording. It was a bit of 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:43.520 an ugly knight tech. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.680 Yes, we just know multiple arrests. We don't have a 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:47.319 number yet. 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.280 New York City officials say, honestly, they're so overwhelmed they 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.040 can't give us numbers until later today, so we'll be 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.480 waiting for that. But we do know that, and we 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.280 certainly have seen the video. We were watching it live. 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.720 Actually hear this more in Amsterdam. It was about two 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.000 three o'clock in the morning. They're in New York. But yeah, 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.400 we saw fans already clashing with police. We saw folks 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:11.680 smashing windows, getting up on light poles and statues and 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:12.600 school buses either. 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.600 You see the one of the guy hanging literally hanging 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:15.920 like it was on the monkey bars, but we it 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:17.760 was hanging from a streets lightvel. 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.720 It's unbelievable what people are suddenly willing to do when 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.960 they're happy. Yes, trying to get on a moving fire truck. 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.600 One of the buses ended up engulfed in flames. But 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:31.560 you could see people were rocking school buses in Times Square. 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:36.200 That's how just the adrenaline that was surging through these fans. 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.959 But then gunshots were fired around forty second Street and 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:41.799 Broadway in the heart of Times Square. 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.160 Wait they hurt, We don't know if I haven't seen them, 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.400 tell me if you saw a different reporting gunshots were heard. 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.600 No idea of any injuries or actually if anybody was 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:51.480 actually targeted. 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:52.320 Yeah, we don't think. 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.920 It's probably someone shooting up in the air like we 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:56.600 have seen plenty of other times. 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.440 So thank god, it looks like no one was injured. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.639 But there are videos of the sound, and they say 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.000 there were at least seven gunshots, and it showed people 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.639 cowering and like you know, falling to the ground or 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.760 running for cover. Because yeah, if someone is drunk shooting 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.120 bullets in the air out of excitement, God knows where 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.840 those bullets are going, and how well equipped that person 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.760 is to be shooting bullets in the middle of Times Square. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:19.080 That's insane. 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:22.240 So thankfully police have said no one was injured in 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:23.359 that incident. 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:28.120 But again, this is happening in the city where the 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:32.240 game was not played right and by fans who are 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:36.480 actually happy. Ropes. How many times everybody can roapes after 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.200 help call some college football. Yes, he'll pick up the 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.280 goal posts and go carry it down the street, wreck 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.120 stuff along the way. We have seen this time after 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.800 time after time. Why is it after a win? And 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.320 sometimes robes? If I tell you, or if I ask 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:55.280 and ask anybody listening, like you remember some violent riots 0:03:55.280 --> 0:04:01.320 in the past, and you'll start naming cities. Okay, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago. 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.760 Detroit, rabid sports fans. 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:08.360 Raised sports fans, So let's start there. Rose. The researchers 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.520 will tell you they study this and it makes sense 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.680 to you. You said, I don't know why they do this. 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:22.839 Here are your factors, men, mob mentality, testosterone, alcohol, anonymity. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:27.400 You put all those things together and they start. They 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.600 make the perfect blend and roads. The reason they say 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:36.120 that it's worse after a win than a loss. Men's 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:41.440 testosterone levels go through the roof. Wow, after a win, I. 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:44.640 Was thinking adrenaline. But I guess testosterone is to blame, 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.040 and so we're not. Women aren't perpetrating any of these 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.479 violent acts or moments of mayhem. 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.360 Look, a woman is just as capable of anything that 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:56.680 a man is capable. 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:00.920 Of, But we aren't fueled by testosterone. Do not do this, 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.160 and that's Look. I would have loved to have been 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:04.839 out on the streets, but even if we were in 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.040 New York City, Hell no would I have been. 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.960 There's no way for safety reasons. No matter how much 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:11.520 you want to party and play, you just know better 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.880 to get involved in a mess like this. But robes, 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.520 they do say men are going out there, and particularly 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:20.840 you have young men, young men out there. Another factor 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.120 here is you get into a mob mentality. You get 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.279 into a mentality where you think, oh, I can do 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:29.160 anything I want to do under a relative anonymity. They 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:30.840 can't do anything to me because the guy over there 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:32.599 is doing it and those ten over there doing it. 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:33.599 How am I going to get arrested? 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.680 There's too many of us to know who's doing what 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:36.120 to him. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.600 So it's coming together now. All these guys who've been 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:42.320 what drinking for the past several hours, who are excited 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.320 about the game that's been going back and forth, they've 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:45.719 been on the edge of their seat robes. All that 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:46.680 energy is pent up. 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.000 Yeah, we were down sixteen at one point. 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.640 It's well, you're ready, you're on the edge of your seat, 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.320 and all of a sudden there's a victory, and it's 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:58.919 eleven thirty and you've had seven beers, and you go 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.680 outside and you see somebody else who's had seven beers 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.920 who's just excited as you. What happens You get caught 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:10.039 up in that euphilia and you start acting a damn fool. 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.279 Now I said, you just run into one person boyfriend 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:15.159 to ten more, twenty more. There is a thousand more 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.360 out here in the same mindset that you have, and 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.919 all of a sudden you start misbehaving. That part made. 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.280 Sense, But is it just a few people who are 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:28.920 subject to this, or I guess just are likely I 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.560 don't want to say victims, but likely the victims of 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.280 their own undoing. Basically, my point is, when you were 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.520 in your twenties, could you see yourself having done this 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.240 or some of your friends doing this. Obviously, when you 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.400 get older, you get a little wiser and maybe just 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:45.440 have zero time for any of this craziness, but when 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.760 you're young, when you were younger, could you see yourself 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.760 being in that mob. That's what I'm that's my point. 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:52.440 I didn't think I thought that was the answer. 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:57.080 No, But robes. These aren't all just hoodlums and thugs 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.479 and hooligans out there in the street. They are a 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:03.200 rabbit sports fans. They are young men that you put 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.520 alcohol in them, you put sports in there, and you 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.160 put them around each other. Robes. 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.480 This is pent up powder keg robes. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.080 Okay, thank you. I could have just started with that, 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.600 but you add all those things. But we also talk 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.280 about and this is something you always are about. I'm 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.120 not as much on it, but when there is a 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:23.880 big event, you're. 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:25.880 Like, it's fun to be out I do like to 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:26.240 be out there. 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.160 It's fun to be with a crowd. It's fun to 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.440 be communal, Robes. Don't you want to experience the first 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.400 championship of the Nicks in fifty three years with people? 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.880 So this is the same way you wanted to be 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.880 communal for them, they wanted to be communal as well. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.280 Their blood alcohol levels is just a little higher, right, 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:48.080 and he's twenty two, he's going to behave a little differently. 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.679 He wants the same thing you want, but he's fueled 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:55.080 by something different than You're fueled by alcohol and testosterone 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.480 is coursing through his veins. Roobes. This is how the 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:02.400 guys that study this crap look at it. Now, does 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.320 that make more sense? You said, hey, that why do 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.400 people I don't have any idea why? 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.040 Well, yeah, why they start breaking things and stealing things 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.720 and looting and breaking windows? And then I start thinking, 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.560 you know, are these just assholes looking for the opportunity 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:16.920 when everyone else is celebrating they can just go and 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.600 break shit because that's all they ever really wanted to do. 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.440 Anyway, There is some element of that, but not overwhelmingly 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.280 according to these scientists. The other thing that will make sense, 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:29.280 Ropes is that you're trying to show you're in a 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.680 group of people who are huge fans, right, We're all 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.080 out here two in the morning, celebrating, and we must 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.680 always must be big fans. But then what do you 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.000 try to do when you get around a group of friends. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.200 You're trying to one ofp each other who's the bigger fan, 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:44.959 who can do the most damage, who can do the 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.400 biggest display. Oh he's on top of a car. I 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.120 can go on top of a bus. Oh you're on 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.480 top of a bus. I can go get on top 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.200 of that light pole. Oh you're on top of a 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.240 regular car. I'm get on the top of a police car. 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:04.760 So you just have a constantin one upmanship of testosterone 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:08.200 fueled alcohol injected. Dude. 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.920 Let me go ahead now and light this bus on fire. 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.880 Let me shoot bullets into the air. I mean that 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.280 just to me there. Yeah, some folks take it to 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.280 a whole other level, but this is a total dude thing. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:21.080 You're right. 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:25.479 No women were hanging off of like Honestly, even imagine 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:31.880 imagine a woman hanging off of a lightful, or like 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:32.679 jumping up. 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.640 And down on a police cruiser right there. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.200 I cannot imagine that, or taking a lighter and going, hey, 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.720 let me set this bus on fire. I just cannot 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.959 envision a woman doing any of those things. 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.320 Yah, you say you can't envision a woman, But can 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.520 you also envision a forty year old man or a 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.719 thirty five year old man? This is a young man's game. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:52.960 Is it's a young man's game. 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:56.080 It's what happens, and you get them in that environment 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:59.280 and it's not all hooligant. Yes, throwing a bottle in 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:03.240 the direction a police officer, you are qualified as a criminal. Yeah, 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:08.760 generally speaking, robes, those folks are fueled by alcohol, adrenaline, testosterone, 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:10.920 and euphoria. Team just won. 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.839 Those poor cops because you know, they're celebrating the knicks 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.880 wins when they're huge Knicks fans, most of them. But 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:20.880 now they got to sit there and police all this craziness. Like, 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.000 I wonder how many of them were, Like, on one. 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:24.080 Hand, I want the Knicks to win. 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.200 On the other hand, it'd make for a much better 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.360 night if they didn't. Hey, how about this, What if 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.840 they had won at home game six? God, thank god 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.120 they were out of town. Literally how much worse would 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.600 it have been had the victory happened in New York? 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:40.840 Would that have made a difference? 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.520 Yes, they would have had to shut down all a Manhattan, 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.880 just close all streets, everybody stay home, maybe even had 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.120 to do a curfew. I mean, you want to celebrate 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:50.120 and you want it to be what it is, but 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.839 robes they had to bring out the mounted police, right, 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:56.400 they have their own horses trying to escort slowly push 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:57.640 people out of the street. 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:00.160 I mean, they know how to do this with two 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.720 year's even certain other big party nights. But and that 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.200 is the good news that NYPD is probably the most 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:12.120 well trained, most experienced in crowd control in you know, 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.720 big celebratory events. We know how to do things in 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.319 New York that way because we have experience doing it. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.880 But my god, think about the fact that it did happen. 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.000 The wind was in San Antonio, but the celebrations were 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.600 on a Saturday night. That's pretty cool in terms of 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:30.800 just giving people the opportunity to enjoy this victory in 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.040 this wind without worrying about getting up the next morning 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:33.400 for work. 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.079 You got to help me with a band name is 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:36.079 it five seconds a Summer? 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:37.640 Oh yeah, five seconds of Summer? I saw that. 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.520 Okay, So here's the thing also in New York. Yeah, 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.720 what a night Saturday. It wasn't the weather nice? 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:43.640 The weather was night. 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:45.719 You've got a nice You've got a concert amount of 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:46.760 Square garden five. 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.480 Seconds a summer sold out, massive Square go yes, folks, 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.760 the garden is always in business. So there were concerts 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.560 sold out. People were watching freaking the knicks outside on 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:57.120 the big screen. 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.520 That's crazy. You've had what World Cup matches? 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:05.040 It was Brazil and Morocco, and Morocco playing their first 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:06.040 game in New Jersey. 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.200 So you've got Moroccans the top ten billions. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.640 All this is going on in New York last night. 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.360 So it could have been worse, like it could have been. 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.280 We're waiting to hear the numbers and whatnot, but it 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.079 could have been worse. The last two factors, I'll give 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.760 you robes that matter that'll make sense to you. The 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:27.400 time of the game matters. And the venue. Is it 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.160 in a downtown in an urban area or is it 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.000 out in a rural area? Is it a smaller market 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.000 kind of thing. That will make a difference as well. 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:35.880 Those other two factors. The time of the game. You 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:37.920 we've been to games now where you hear the announcement 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:39.680 sometimes or even go up to the bar in the 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.360 fourth quarter. Yeah, we stopped serving in the third quarter. 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:43.400 And that's why they. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.400 Do it, yeah, to keep the routiness to a minimum, 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.520 because the more alcohol, yes, the rout of your crowds become. 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.560 And yet when did they win? Because let's see, I 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.480 woke up. I woke up around four something in the 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:58.600 morning here in Amsterdam. You set your alarm for when games. 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:00.960 So I heard the. 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:02.760 Alarm when I was like thinking about getting up, and 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.920 I was like, now, save it for the end. But 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.560 that means the game was over? What around midnight? Eleven 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.520 thirty midnight? Yeah, because woke up atour thirty to watch 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:14.000 the last few minutes. That's the perfect timing, right around midnight. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.400 You got a victory fifty three years in the making. 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.720 Not since nineteen seventy three have the New York Knicks 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.320 won an NBA finals And so yeah, most of us, 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:29.600 including me, have never seen or know of a Knixt 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:34.000 victory until now. This is this was historic and it 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.360 was so cool. Our kids were sending us videos. I 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.800 got fireworks and the crowd and the excitement and the 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:41.440 hell yeahs. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.320 And Sabine was sending you videos as well. 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:44.760 You know. 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.400 That was the one I have never I text all 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:51.360 game long with a thirteen year old girl watch say 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.000 the game. That is how crazy Nicks Mania has gotten, 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.319 and it is just a fun time there. But Robes, 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.200 it could We were waiting for a full report from 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.960 an NYPD about how tough things were, how many arrests 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.320 and all this stuff. It rode overwhelmingly. Yes, there were 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.280 some knuckleheads and there were some problems. It didn't seem 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.400 like it was the big disaster or mayhem it could 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.559 have been. But there have been some major disasters and 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:18.360 mayhem after yes championships and in particular NBA Finals. Stay 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.320 here give you a reminder of how things have gone 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:34.000 in some other championship nights. We continue here on Amy 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.360 and TJ on this Sunday, June fourteenth, the day after 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.640 the Knicks won the first championship in fifty three years, 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.040 Knicks fans went a little crazy. He has few incidents, 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.440 multiple arrests. As they say, there was some damage done 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.760 around town, not as bad as it could have been. Ropes. 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.480 We just went through some of the factors they say 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:56.920 are the reasons for people rioting doing damage after their 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:01.080 team actually wins. Does it make more sense now because 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.400 I would say the same thing I why do people 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.000 do this? And then I started reading what the researchers 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:06.680 put together, like. 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.120 Okay, testosterone, eh, okay, I get I don't understand it, 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:11.280 but I guess I get it. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.360 You don't understand testosterone, No, I don't. 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:17.480 Yeah, it drives up, just like you don't understand estrogen. No, 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.480 and progesterone and all of our hormones. 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:21.960 That i've I don't even know what that second was for, 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.920 but yes it is when you break it down, it 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:29.359 really is some simple stuff and a mob mentality, alcohol 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:33.120 fueled and testosterone, babe, and it's just a powder keg, 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:37.200 as you say. Nineteen ninety though, baby NBA Finals Detroit 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:41.600 Pistons versus the Portland Trailblazers, one hundred and twenty people 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:45.000 ended up in the hospital and eight people died. Wow, 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.080 after a team wins a title. 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.640 That is disgusting. I don't even remember that, honestly, that's 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.960 so long ago, but I did not. I don't have 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:58.280 a memory of that. Eight people died after that, and. 0:15:58.200 --> 0:15:59.840 One hundred and twenty people in the hospital is a 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:03.080 lot and countless arrests there. But robes go back to 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:07.120 everybody remembers the bulls championships, the two to three piece 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.640 with Michael Jordan Robes. There were riots after every single 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:15.080 one of those. And in the second, the nineteen ninety 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.240 two that was the second championship year, they had one 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:22.320 thousand people injured. What a thousand people injured in that Yes, 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.960 it got rowdy often. There was a team that was 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.560 stomped to death in nineteen ninety seven after that championship, 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.640 and after they won several. The governor there actually brought 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:36.280 in the National Guard nineteen ninety seven to protect the streets. 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:37.600 It got really ugly there. 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:38.560 I have chills now. 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.680 I'm if I had known any of those statistics, I 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:44.360 would have tried to tell my daughters they weren't allowed 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.560 to go out. Wouldn't have worked, but I would have 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.160 tried to. I would have been more vocal. You know, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:53.120 I don't think I realized how deadly specifically NBA finals 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.640 have been in years past. Have we learned from those 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.280 mistakes in terms of crowd control and policing, and so 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:03.480 now they enter anticipated and they make sure they create 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.840 certain I guess what boundaries, and they get better. They 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:09.360 pen people in certain ways. 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:11.600 You saw this happen in New Yeah, even them canceling 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:13.760 the watch party out or not wanting to have the 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.000 party when well President Trump was there. 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.640 But even after a game four was it they did 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:20.640 the same thing, but. 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:24.359 They just it is or the it's yes, they've gotten better, 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:28.840 but rob you get, really, how many thousands of drunk, 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:32.960 euphoric people in a mob? It is a mob mindset? 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:34.240 Wow, you have a lot. 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:36.239 So you did the research and I'm looking at what 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:40.680 you've written here all the different championships that have resulted 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.960 in significant injury and or death. 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:47.080 You'll remember the back to back World Series for the Dodgers. 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.880 It got ugly out there for both of those. Twenty 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.280 twenty three Yukon when its first championship ropes, it got 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.600 ugly on their campus. Again. The game wasn't in stores 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:59.720 Connecticut where they are, but they had thirty nine arrests there. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.080 Vehicles woul vandalize. They actually tore down a light pole 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.639 and ram the student union after they won. Again, this 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.439 is not even the town where they won. There were 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.560 but robes get the use of that last line. They 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:15.040 actually kicked kids out of school after this. One of 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:16.920 them was supposed to graduate in a month and got 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:18.400 expelled and got expelled. 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.960 I mean that to me, that's just it's the I know. 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:27.320 I understand there is a sociological psychological phenomenon known as groupthink, 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:31.200 mob mentality, all of that, but I still have a hard. 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:31.840 Time getting my head. 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:35.600 Look, I obviously you and I are immersed in college football, 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.880 and we have seen the passion that is in each campus, 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:43.680 and certainly I've had We've had fantastic losses and amazing victories. 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:47.280 But never, in my wildest dreams have I ever wanted 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:52.600 to smash something, break something, swing from something, destroy something, 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.600 be violent in any way. I would just prefer to 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.920 raise a glass of champagne and jump up and down. 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.919 Because you don't have a starchrone coursing through your faints, 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.719 I don't understand. Well, how about this. Do you understand? 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:09.119 You have watched me watch countless Arkansas games now, and 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.760 you have watched me sometimes stand I will stand for 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.879 the entire game. Yes, And you've seen me be on 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:19.320 edge and it's pinned up, and it's a little this 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.959 and that, and then they pull off a win and 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:23.840 you see a release from me. 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:25.760 You aren't breaking things in the apartment. 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:28.359