WEBVTT - Looking Back at 1923 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:10.120 Hey, everyone, it's Jefferson White here. And if you're hearing 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:14.160 my voice, you know you're listening to the one, the only, 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:19.159 the official Yellowstone Podcast. And of course, what would this 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:23.360 show be without my amazing co host Jen Landon. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.280 Jeff, you seem really excited today. 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:27.760 Yeah, I'm jazzed up. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:30.680 The nineteen twenty three season finale was insane. 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:32.360 I'm stoked. I'm still buzzing. 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.200 I know it was major. I felt like I felt 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:39.080 like it was every big event in history in one episode. 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:44.559 It's really wild. This show has traveled, a lot has happened. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:46.320 There's a lot to talk about. 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:48.760 We're gonna dig real deep into it, and so just 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.200 know that if you haven't seen all of nineteen twenty three, 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.200 you are entering into spoiler territory. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:59.360 You've been warned. And because we're doing a deep dive. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:03.120 We're bringing in a heavy hitter, some professional help to 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.800 straighten us out and keep us on track. We have 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.040 once again, we are very very lucky to have our 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.520 dear friend, Lynette Ris from Deadline dot Com joining us today. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.319 I am so looking forward to this episode. But first 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.039 we need to step aside really quick and take a break. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:18.240 We will be right back. 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.080 Incredible episode in nineteen twenty three. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.640 This week a lot to unpack, a lot to explore, 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.720 a lot to talk about, and in order to talk 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:47.039 about it from an informed, thoughtful, conscientious journalistic perspective, we 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:51.080 brought in our ringer, Lynnette. Thank you so much for 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:52.160 being here again. 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:56.440 Heavy journalism here, bringing the heavy journalism to this Yelestone podcast. 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:02.240 I think of you as the Spencer Dutton of entertained news. Yeah, 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:07.160 you are to stories what Spencer Dutton is to every 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.360 animal on the continent of Africa. 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.679 Wowie, well, I hope you think I am I as 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.160 hot as Spencer Dutton. That's what I really want to know. 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.880 I don't think you understand like what a compliment like. 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.560 It's a compliment in and of itself, but I don't 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.600 know if you know, like how much of a compliment 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:28.440 it is. Jeff hasn't stopped talking about Spencer Dutton for 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.200 like five or six weeks now, and not just on air, 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:34.239 Like I get random texts like do you really think 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:37.120 do you think Spencer? Do you think I can be 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.520 cool like that? I mean, we both are obsessed. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:41.400 He's given me a complex. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.440 I watched the show with my fiance And this is 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.960 what I think my therapist would probably call projection, because 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.559 I'm kind of watching her watch the show and projecting 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.880 onto her the idea that I'll never be the man 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.000 that Spencer Dutton is. I'm not even I'm not even 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.560 Alex's old fiance, the Duke of whatever. Because that guy 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:03.880 at least had the balls to challenge Spencer Dutton. I 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:08.960 am walking away from that counting, I think. 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.400 So that's the right call. That dude should not have 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.040 called for a duel. It was so stupid, but it 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:15.000 was great TV. 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:17.040 As soon as he called for the duel, I was like, 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:18.920 this dude's going off the boat. This dude is going 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.800 headfirst off the boat. That's the only way this ends. 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.080 You think you're going to get Spencer Dutton when an 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:26.919 African elephant couldn't. 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:27.519 Yeah. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.640 Yeah, I felt bad for Arthur, Like I mean, I 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:34.440 feel bad for him now that he died, But I 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.920 felt bad for him before that, do you know what 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:37.240 I mean? 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.600 I didn't at all. I didn't at all. I was 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.080 so glad that she ran out with him. And what 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.960 an incredible way to set up for the second season, 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.000 setting up so many steaks, so many places to go 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:50.440 it's been a great ride. 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.400 I'm always amazed at how different all the shows are. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.200 You know, they're dealing with some of the same subject matter, 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.800 but the tone is so dramatically different. This is such 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:03.200 a like adventure series in such an exciting way. I 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.960 think the tones of the shows are in part defined 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.480 by the era in which they take place. You know, 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.760 eighteen eighty three was such a like honest to God 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:17.000 faithful Western, and nineteen twenty three has this feeling of 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.400 this big, open world, which is what it must have 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.760 felt like to be alive at that time, this moment 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:27.159 of discovery, of exploration. There's such a kind of adventurous 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.920 tone to it. I can't help but feel like that's 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:33.440 informed by the decade. So, speaking of which we've touched 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:38.279 on Spencer and Alexandra's epic journey back home to the ranch, 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.840 let's talk a little bit about what's going on at 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.320 the ranch and whether or not there will be a 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:46.480 ranch there by the time Spencer gets there, which at 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.839 this point could take him years, even before. 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:53.080 We get into the Debton part of it, which is 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:57.200 in itself has been so juicy. When I joined this show, 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.240 that's all I expected that we were just going to 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:04.200 live there. We're gonna live at Yellowstone and hear this story. 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.280 And so what has been so great about this journey 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.440 is that that was just one third, and that you've 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:12.880 got these two other stories that I didn't expect to 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:17.120 love so much. And and you know, there's obviously the 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:21.880 romance with our beloved Spencer and Alex, and then this 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:27.720 whole other story, frightening, scary ass storyline with the Catholics 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:32.640 and and the way they treated the indigenous women, and 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:37.040 and every week it's something more horrific. Uh, that's been 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.719 so great. It's like just when you know, he cuts 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.120 to that world and then we're just getting into it 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.960 and then boom, you know, we go someplace else. H 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:50.640 what a master a class and like keeping the story flowing, 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.800 good editing and not making us feel lost. I never 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.840 have once felt lost. So yeah, I wanted to be 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.880 able to say that at the Ranch, Jacob at this 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.560 point doesn't seem quite as ruthless as what the family 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:08.720 develops into as the decades go by. And so I'm 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.760 wondering if this is going to be, you know, a 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:15.000 changing point for the kind of man that Jacob is, 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.680 because he seems like he's for the most part by 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:18.200 the law. 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:22.120 Do you think, well, that conflict rages within him because 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.760 they did string those guys up via vigilante justice. Early on, 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.080 it feels like he's torn between this old world justice 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.240 and this new world justice. And it feels like, you know, 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:37.120 Donald Whitfield is trying to use this kind of cool, impartial, 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:43.479 you know, logical mode of attack, and Jacob feels caught 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.000 between these two things. You know, he's he's got a 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.120 little bit of Jack Dutton in him, the you know, 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.720 the desire for revenge, and he's also got a little 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:56.000 bit of that cool, calm, impartial, perhaps Kara Dutton energy. 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.159 The Donald Whitfield character feels capable of true ruthlessness, where 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.880 Jacob because he's so heart centered, even if it is 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.360 vengeance and it looks like ruthless and us outwardly at campy, 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.200 it's not cold enough, it's not disconnected enough, it's not 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:09.920 heady enough. 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.920 Now that we're in the Dutton household, I do want 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.040 to give a shout out to that moment where we 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.160 see Elizabeth she lost her baby and she's lying in 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.760 bed with her Jack played by Darren Mann, and that 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.800 has to be his best scene from this season. First 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:29.240 of all, he was the total dream man in that moment, 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:33.080 making her feel better about losing her kid and just 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.640 saying all the right things. And while he doesn't rise 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:41.280 to Spencer level for me, he got dang close in 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:41.840 that moment. 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.440 I totally agree. I thought that really showcased a whole 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.200 different kind of journey. You know, Spencer's been on this 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:53.679 like geographical journey, But to me, Jack has grown so much. 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.720 It felt like when we first met him he was 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.520 a kid. You know, he was a sort of impetuous, 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:03.200 angry kid, ready to run off for revenge, ready to 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.760 neglect his larger responsibilities. But I couldn't agree with you more. 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.800 I thought that was an incredibly well acted scene that 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.640 also showcased a lot of growth from the character. It 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:17.400 feels like Jack has been on this journey of growth. 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.840 He's been one of the very few characters who stay 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.120 in one place physically over the course of the season. 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.280 But it feels like he's really grown into a man 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:26.400 in an amazing way. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:31.160 Why did Taylor take her baby? Like, was he trying 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.680 to set up this is what ranch life is going 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.000 to be like, honey, and you know, get ready for it? 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.040 I appreciate what Taylor is doing in terms of approaching 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.120 like one just like honoring like how painful that is 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:47.679 for women. And you know, like that's a perspective that 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:51.480 like he doesn't necessarily need to like tap into, and 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.080 he does it, and I think it's really valuable and 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.200 really important. But then also to carry it into the 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:01.559 fact that, like your whole value as a woman isn't 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:03.880 just like having a kid, that like that is not 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.400 the only way that you mother. And I thought that 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.960 was that was really just very cool of him to 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:11.360 put in. 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.640 Well, I wonder if he's also trying to throw us 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.839 off because all of us are trying to figure out 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.840 the family tree. We want to know who's related to who, 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.160 and if he keeps throwing us off with this, then 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:27.280 we won't figure out the math the bloodline. Who is 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.920 the true grandfather of John Detton and so. And that's 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:32.800 what's so fun to talk to the actors about because 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:36.040 they're having the same dang conversation. They're doing their own 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:40.400 family trees on set and and they don't know either. 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.160 So do you guys know? 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:44.880 Do you know? I don't know. 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:46.280 I don't know anything. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.559 You don't know. I also I also have to tell 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:56.280 you personally, I don't care like I don't like I 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.959 don't need to know who the dad is like I Karen, 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.600 so much as like maybe being invested in who dies Jen. 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:06.319 I could argue with you about this all day because 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.839 I'm a compassionate, empathetic person. But let's take a break 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.040 really quick, and when we come back, we'll keep getting 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:28.760 into it. You're right to identify that what matters is 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.599 who is going to survive the act the events of 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.080 nineteen twenty three, because they basically it was like a 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.360 clean cut on eighteen eighty three, So we're all sort 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:41.080 of rooting for our respected that the main goal of 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:46.880 figuring out who you know who Costner's predecessors are figuring out, 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.360 oh god, who's going to survive. I want to believe 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:51.959 that all these characters are going to make it through, 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.800 but based on the model of eighteen eighty three, that 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.080 would be it all dies. 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.959 It makes it fun, No, it just makes it all 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.640 fun's But it was fun washing House of the Dragon. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:07.679 You want to know the relation to the later characters 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:09.800 that we met in Game of Thrones. It just makes 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.520 the viewing experience that much more fun. To tie it 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.480 all together, and so we can look for those little 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.559 easter eggs. We can look for those signs in a character, 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.480 like any little gesture, the way they say something, is 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.280 that something that's carried on into the bloodline. I mean 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:29.120 it's it's yeah, it's not brain surgery, but it's fun stuff. 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:30.520 It's the fun stuff. 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:37.560 Speaking of brain surgery, how about Tiana Rainwater's absolute killing 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:43.120 spree as she you know, seeks to escape her captivity. 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:47.319 So the brain surgery connection is watching her absolutely dismantle 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:53.360 that man's brain with a rock that was that was graphic, 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.320 but also gratifying. I gotta say watching her sort of 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.200 it does feel like she's on this incre edible Like 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.040 you know, Spencer is on a journey. Tiana is on 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.800 a journey and being pursued the entire way by these 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:13.280 kind of ruthless captors. So it's so fun watching her 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.680 escape and also kind of get vengeance. You know, there's 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.360 this real spirit of vengeance feeling to the whole thing 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.760 that I cherish After those first few episodes when she 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.400 was stuck in the residential school being absolutely abused and 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.000 traumatized and taken advantage of. It's a really gratifying thing 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.080 to see her out in the open air, you know, 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.160 escaping and on her own terms. She had a beautiful 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.240 line this episode she said, they've been trying to kill 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.400 me since they took me. I don't believe in later, 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.800 I believe in right now. I thought that was so powerful. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.880 That actor is also fucking amazing. I'm amazed by her 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:48.959 every episode of Mina. 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.079 She rocks. This is Scott. 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:53.560 This is something that I would just love to have 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.240 dinner with Taylor about and why he decided to go 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.960 down this road. I can recall after the first episode 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.199 when all of a sudden, the action feared to that 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:06.160 school and it was so violent, and I remember reading 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.760 message boards and it was hard on viewers and they 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:10.800 were like, what the hell just happened. 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.920 I think we spoke with mobrings plenty a couple of 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:18.120 weeks ago about this kind of the responsibility to be 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:23.040 honest in our depictions of this time period, of responsibility 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:28.760 and obligation to honestly confront this incredibly painful history. 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:30.960 Because it is it is brutal. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:32.920 It's hard to watch sometimes. I found that to be 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.400 the case in eighteen eighty three. In nineteen twenty three, 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.240 for sure, and part of it is this sort of honest, 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:44.040 clear eyed reckoning with our history, you know, and that's 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.040 all there is to it. And I also I feel 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.120 for the actors involved in this, because as hard as 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.240 it is to watch, I'm sure it takes an incredible 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:55.600 toll to reenact this brutal history on both sides of 0:13:55.640 --> 0:14:01.119 the equation. But I also salute and admire their commitment 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:05.760 to honesty and to sort of bringing whatever humanity they 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:11.280 can to these incredibly difficult, painful circumstances. So good on them. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:13.960 And also, especially now that Tiana's out of there and 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:18.640 kind of, you know, getting some revenge, it is particularly 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.680 now it's taken a turn in a way that I enjoy. 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:22.680 I really look forward to her stuff now. For the 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:26.320 first few episodes, they were incredibly well done. I would 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.360 sort of cringe when we would cut to her stuff 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.560 because I was fucking terrified to confront that history. I 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.440 was terrified to see what would happen next. But now 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.520 that she's out on the open road, I'm really looking 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.200 forward to it, and I'm really looking forward to seeing 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.760 what's next because we know that Priest is getting his 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.560 fucking just desserts, right I'm like, Bro, you should get 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:49.360 off that horse, turn around, go home, and forget about Tiana. 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:51.920 You don't want to catch up to her. All I 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.920 want to say to that guy is, Bro, don't catch 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:54.440 up to her. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:55.320 That's a mistake. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.560 I'm fraid they're going to find her. They're totally that 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.000 the dude that signed on with them, they're gonna find her. 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.120 I'm afraid for them that they're gonna find her. I'm 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.960 not afraid for her. Oh yeah, they shouldn't find her. 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.440 They should let that one go because that's bad news 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:09.840 for them. 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:13.240 She's a she's a killer. 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:15.440 I'm I think she's fo I mean, it's it's gonna 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.080 also be pretty gratifying to watch them get exactly what 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:19.360 they have come in. But if I were them, I 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:20.680 would go home let this one go. 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.440 Yeah, speaking of like brutal things that and I mean 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.080 one that I didn't know about at all. But when 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:30.880 the Montana State Police come and arrest Alice Chow. 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:36.200 For miscegenation, yeah, just when Zaye got some fun shit too. 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.880 I've been waiting for zaying that. That's my buddy Brian Garretty, 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:40.680 who's like one of the best actors on the planet 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:42.840 and just when he got to take off his hat. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.240 You get to you get to take off your hat, 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:46.720 you get to sit down at a table, you get 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.800 to do a little bit of dialogue, finally, finally getting 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:51.200 Zane's in her life. 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.440 And he got busy in the shower too. He had 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:54.760 like a little nude scene there. 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:59.160 He was saving water. Yeah, come on, grow up, they 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:04.640 were Lennet. There's a drown. 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.200 But just when we get to see this other side 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.520 of Zaye, which I'm so excited about, of course, classic tailor. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:13.880 You get a little bit of good stuff and then 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:18.640 you gotta take your medicine. Uh so, Yeah, amazing, amazing sequence. Also, 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:23.520 these goddamn these goddamn henchmen. This dude with the beard 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:27.760 sort of stalking around observing everybody being a narc. That 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.560 guy's gonna get it too. Talk about brain surgery. I 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:31.560 think that guy's. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:31.960 Got a special. 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.000 He's got a little meeting with Jack Dutton sometime down 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.520 the line where Jack Dutton will finally get to exercise 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:38.480 some of his demons. 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:43.080 That's all tied to Donald Whitfield, right, all those those 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.120 henchmen that came and got him, Is that all tied 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.000 back to Timothy Dalton's character. 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.840 Somehow exactly Yeah, he was, Well, it seems like Timothy 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.440 Dalton had sent his his henchmen to sort of spy 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.920 on Zaane. Zaye fought that henchman, followed Zaane back to 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.800 his house and then reported him to the police. So 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.040 so it was, you know, it was legal. What they 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:08.879 were doing in separating that family was tragically legal. But 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.720 it was Donald Whitfield who sort of orchestrated bringing that 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:13.000 to the authorities attention. 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:15.600 So said, all right, shall we jump to Spencer? Can 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:16.399 we jump to Spencer? 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:16.600 Now? 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.359 Can we go on the boat the ship? 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:22.000 Let's get into it. Spencer and Alex, they're further along 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:23.760 on their journey than they've ever been. They finally got 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.600 a little bit of comfort for once. They're like riding 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.080 on this big, amazing ship. They're not having to hoof 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.480 it through the wilderness. They're actually sort of it would seem, 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:39.439 full steam ahead towards their final destination, when, of course 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:41.760 some shit gets in the way. 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:47.199 Well, I've enjoyed this trip. It's thrown me off because 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.399 I didn't think it would take them this long to 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.520 get home, But it makes sense because it's not you know, 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.840 an overnight trip. So I've enjoyed that it's taken so long. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.200 It's nice to see them in clean clothes. And that dress. 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:03.160 When she walked out of her room wearing that bejeweled number, 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:07.320 Oh my god, she looked like a million bucks. I 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:09.560 loved that, just loved it. 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.840 Alex's ex awkward. Alex's ex is on the boat too. 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.840 He can't quite swallow his pride, so he challenges Spencer 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:19.240 Dunton to a duel? 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:20.400 What are you thinking? 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.040 I liked how they set that up too, in that 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.840 he said to the dad, you don't want to have 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.480 your son do this because I could kill him. And 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.800 I mean, I really appreciate that moment too. But you know, him, 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.400 being who he is, you know, in the masculine side 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.720 of him, took over and said, okay, fine, I'll do 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.480 the duel. I loved how quickly it ended. In that 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.920 first round, he just punched him and took him down, 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:48.439 and I thought that would be the end of it. 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:52.000 Yeah, he fucking grabbed the sword. He wrapped a towel 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.800 around his hand and grabbed the sword. 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:56.439 That's pretty cool. 0:18:58.440 --> 0:18:59.840 The dad was trying to be a voice of re 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.320 I appreciated that the dad was like, son, This guy's 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.080 a total badass. This guy's the son that I never had. 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:11.040 Please don't let him kill you for your own sake, 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.919 because that's gonna be embarrassing. And his son still couldn't 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:18.520 quite still couldn't quite muster the dignity to just run away, 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:20.680 and he got his ass thrown off the ship. And 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.600 those are tall ships. Every shot of that ship, I'm like, 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:24.560 that's a tall ship. 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:26.200 So I'm assuming they didn't find him. 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.480 Then, right, he's dead, yeah, they say, they say later. 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.639 The bad thing about the bad thing about a ship 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.600 like that, sorry, is the motor is really strong, right, 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.080 so you go off a ship next to it, it 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:39.879 pulls you down and you get pulled. 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:41.160 Yeah, so it's over. 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:43.800 We got to take a quick break. We'll be right back. 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.120 I didn't see that coming. I mean, I knew this 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:00.560 was not gonna go well, but I didn't see coming 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:02.280 to where he would throw off He would throw him 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:04.879 off the ship and then there was like no turning 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:06.040 back there too. 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:10.040 Spencer really tried not to. I also respected that Spencer, 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.280 the logical part of him, really tried not to get 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:17.680 in this fight. It It took this guy calling Alex 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.679 a whore for Spencer to even accept the duel in 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.720 the first place. He knocked him down a few times 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:26.600 and I kicked his sword away, really tried to not 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:32.160 have to kill him, and the guy just couldn't accept it. Yeah. 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.960 Yeah, Spencer also like didn't even want to leave the room. 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:37.240 He's like, what happened to that plant? 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:38.160 Yeah? 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.400 I was really with him on that. I was also 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.119 like a little bit like, come on, don't rub it 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:46.480 in little Arthur's face, Baby Arthur boy, Like, come on, I. 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:48.440 Was ready to be a woman. She didn't want to be. 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.440 She wanted to be a woman. I guess that's She's. 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.000 Like, I don't I don't want to hide it anymore. 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:55.240 But like, how long are you really hiding it? Right? Like, 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:57.520 if you been hiding it that long, please, I've had 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:02.240 things for twenty right, all right? Did you guys come? 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.000 Did you guys see him flash the gun? That scene 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.200 went so fast. I didn't see the gun. 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.240 You pulled out something. It was a little hard to tell. 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.120 It was a quick He kind of rushed him from 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.840 behind and was carrying something in his right hand. 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:19.760 Right. Well, that was such a brilliant setup to set up. Obviously, 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.440 more steaks for the two of them, and it gave 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.360