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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Jefferson White here. And if you're hearing

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Speaker 1: my voice, you know you're listening to the one, the only,

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Speaker 1: the official Yellowstone Podcast. And of course, what would this

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Speaker 1: show be without my amazing co host Jen Landon.

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Speaker 2: Jeff, you seem really excited today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm jazzed up.

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Speaker 1: The nineteen twenty three season finale was insane.

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Speaker 3: I'm stoked. I'm still buzzing.

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Speaker 2: I know it was major. I felt like I felt

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Speaker 2: like it was every big event in history in one episode.

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Speaker 3: It's really wild. This show has traveled, a lot has happened.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna dig real deep into it, and so just

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Speaker 1: know that if you haven't seen all of nineteen twenty three,

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Speaker 1: you are entering into spoiler territory.

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Speaker 3: You've been warned. And because we're doing a deep dive.

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Speaker 1: We're bringing in a heavy hitter, some professional help to

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Speaker 1: straighten us out and keep us on track. We have

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Speaker 1: once again, we are very very lucky to have our

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Speaker 1: dear friend, Lynette Ris from Deadline dot Com joining us today.

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Speaker 2: I am so looking forward to this episode. But first

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Speaker 2: we need to step aside really quick and take a break.

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Speaker 2: We will be right back.

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Speaker 3: Incredible episode in nineteen twenty three.

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Speaker 1: This week a lot to unpack, a lot to explore,

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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about, and in order to talk

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Speaker 1: about it from an informed, thoughtful, conscientious journalistic perspective, we

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Speaker 1: brought in our ringer, Lynnette. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: being here again.

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Speaker 4: Heavy journalism here, bringing the heavy journalism to this Yelestone podcast.

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Speaker 1: I think of you as the Spencer Dutton of entertained news. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you are to stories what Spencer Dutton is to every

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Speaker 4: Wowie, well, I hope you think I am I as

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Speaker 4: hot as Spencer Dutton. That's what I really want to know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you understand like what a compliment like.

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Speaker 2: It's a compliment in and of itself, but I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you know, like how much of a compliment

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Speaker 2: it is. Jeff hasn't stopped talking about Spencer Dutton for

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Speaker 2: like five or six weeks now, and not just on air,

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Speaker 2: Like I get random texts like do you really think

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Speaker 3: He's given me a complex.

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Speaker 1: I watched the show with my fiance And this is

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Speaker 1: what I think my therapist would probably call projection, because

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Speaker 1: Alex's old fiance, the Duke of whatever. Because that guy

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Speaker 4: So that's the right call. That dude should not have

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Speaker 1: As soon as he called for the duel, I was like,

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Speaker 1: this dude's going off the boat. This dude is going

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Speaker 1: You think you're going to get Spencer Dutton when an

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt bad for Arthur, Like I mean, I

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Speaker 1: I'm always amazed at how different all the shows are.

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Speaker 4: And so what has been so great about this journey

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Speaker 1: Do you think, well, that conflict rages within him because

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Speaker 2: The Donald Whitfield character feels capable of true ruthlessness, where

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Speaker 1: I totally agree. I thought that really showcased a whole

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Speaker 4: Why did Taylor take her baby? Like, was he trying

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Speaker 4: It makes it fun, No, it just makes it all

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Speaker 1: So the brain surgery connection is watching her absolutely dismantle

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Speaker 4: That's all tied to Donald Whitfield, right, all those those

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Spencer and Alex, they're further along

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's over.

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Speaker 4: I didn't see that coming. I mean, I knew this

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Speaker 1: Spencer really tried not to. I also respected that Spencer,

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Speaker 4: Was ready to be a woman. She didn't want to be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was really powerful.

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Speaker 1: Spencer's the only guy I'm not worried about. Nothing's bringing

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Speaker 4: Well, this is a great love, and no great love

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Speaker 1: Speaking of great love, Lynnette, how about Kara and Jacob.

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Speaker 1: She's been nursing him back to health. He's now sort

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Speaker 1: I believe in this incredible courtroom scene where Banner has

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Speaker 1: which I thought was pretty sick, also really good. These

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Speaker 4: Definitely feel like they've set him up. So he's at

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Speaker 4: no place to go Jacob to fix this. I mean,

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Speaker 4: what's left? He has no money? Right, does he have

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Speaker 4: many cattle left to sell? He's screwed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of all he has is the cattle. A

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Speaker 1: lot of his cowboys left, his sort of army. You know,

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Speaker 1: a number of his faithful soldiers. And he lost obviously,

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Speaker 1: he lost John Dutton Senior. So he's really stretched thin.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit of a parallel between nineteen twenty three

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Speaker 1: now you know, Kevin Cosner, John Dutton is facing this

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Speaker 1: kind of complicated battle that's getting increasingly political. It's getting

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Speaker 1: like the same conflict is facing Jacob Dutton. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know, not too glibly call on Yeah, exactly, I know,

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Speaker 1: but winter's coming, right, And Whitfield has this incredible line

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Speaker 1: to Jacob where he's like, you know, all you can

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Speaker 1: really think is the seasons, man, You depend on the seasons.

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Speaker 2: Me.

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Speaker 3: I just think about the future. You know.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna come and buy up all this land. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to take this all over, and nobody's going to

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Speaker 1: remember you. It's a really exciting place to leave it

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Speaker 1: because there are all these conflicts just simmering and winter

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Speaker 1: is just setting in. So it's really an exciting place

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Speaker 1: to leave it, and I cannot wait to see what

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Speaker 1: happens next. Lynette, I can't thank you enough for joining

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Speaker 1: us again today to dig into all this stuff. It's

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Speaker 1: an incredibly exciting time to be a Yellowstone fan. There's

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Speaker 1: Yellowstone coming, there's more nineteen twenty three coming, There's so

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Speaker 1: much to look forward to, and I'm sure our listeners agree.

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Speaker 1: We really can't wait. So I'm looking forward to speaking

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Speaker 1: again Lynette, hopefully soon. And thank you so much for

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Speaker 4: Oh my pleasure, so much fun.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Lynette.

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Speaker 1: As always, thank you all out there so much for

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Speaker 1: listening as we very eagerly await the return of the

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Speaker 1: second part. Of Yellowstone season five. We're going to continue

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