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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Ketty.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty and he Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 3: So they're not going to be a part of NATO.

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Speaker 3: But we've got the European nations and they'll frontload it,

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Speaker 3: and they'll have some of them France and Germany, a

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Speaker 3: it's going to be a problem, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: I think I think Putin is tired of it.

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Speaker 2: I think they're all tired of it. But you never know.

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Speaker 3: We're going to find out about President Putin in the

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Speaker 3: next couple of weeks that I can tell you, and

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Speaker 3: we're going to see where it all goes. It's possible

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Speaker 3: that he doesn't want to make a deal.

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Speaker 4: That Vladimir Putin is going to continue to commit war crimes,

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Speaker 4: that he has as a significant military force, that he

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Speaker 4: needs to be stopped, and that he is in every

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Speaker 4: sense I'll use a nautical term here, putting a shot

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Speaker 4: had to be mindful of that and respond to it

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Speaker 4: with real force and strength.

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Speaker 1: That's James Stravitas on CNN, former NATO commander, and he

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Speaker 1: and Trump someone in line there that Putin may just

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Speaker 1: want to keep prosecuting this war.

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Speaker 2: Now. As to boots on the.

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Speaker 1: Ground and all that sort of stuff, Trump offered up

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Speaker 1: some security guarantees yesterday, including saying the US will have

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Speaker 1: because just moments ago he said, you have my assurance

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Speaker 1: has definitively ruled that out. Well, let's discuss all of

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Speaker 1: this with analyst Mike Allons, who, among his many experiences,

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Speaker 1: does an aid to camp to a general officer in

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Speaker 1: NATO Command back in the day. Mike, as we started

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Speaker 1: the show, first of all, greetings, is always good to talk.

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Speaker 5: How are you hey, guys, great to be back with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: So we started the show today with a discussion of Okay,

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Speaker 6: in spite of the amazing pictures from the White House

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Speaker 2: Now comes the hard part.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, for sure, this is probably the beginning of

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Speaker 5: the beginning if you're looking for some kind of analogy here,

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Speaker 5: and the hard part is going to be getting Russian

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Speaker 5: negotiators sit to sit down with Ukraine negotiators as well

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Speaker 5: as the United States here trying to figure out how

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Speaker 5: to redraw that map. I think Zelenski has come to

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Speaker 5: the conclusion that he's going to lose territory, and the

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Speaker 5: Russia does already occupy. They've took it from a military perspective,

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Speaker 5: so they've got to figure out what that is.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: If the Ukraine negotiators or the team that they have

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Speaker 5: his Congress or his his government, then that this is

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Speaker 5: just give land away on Ukraine. So there's definitely a

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Speaker 5: I still don't think there's enough leverage at being put

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Speaker 1: So all the talk of security guarantees if Trump or

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Speaker 1: It's interesting that so one of Putin's red lines is

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Speaker 1: we'll have different We'll have some of the European countries

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Speaker 1: But what does that all look like to you? And

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Speaker 5: Well, I think we'll still provide air cover, air defense systems,

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Speaker 5: it will still be involved with the security guarantee, but

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Speaker 1: And rewinding just a bit back to the topic of

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Speaker 5: I don't think he has much yet, and I think

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Speaker 5: I think the Biden administration wasted all of their time.

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Speaker 5: And you know, he is longer, he could kind of

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Speaker 5: that's for sure. You know, I don't see this Monocca

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Speaker 1: Man just stepping back and for a moment. The idea

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it just shows you the level of control he

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Speaker 2: Mike Lions military analyst is on the line.

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Speaker 6: Mike, before we let you go, I've been reading a

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Speaker 2: What how dire is that situation in your mind? It's bad.

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Speaker 5: I think we have time to catch up. The fact

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Speaker 5: This is both real politic and gun both diplomacy has

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Speaker 5: I got son of the Navy, so I'm vested in

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Speaker 2: I add one more question. It's back to Ukraine.

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Speaker 6: Sorry for the jumble order here, but one of the

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Speaker 6: What do you hear from our own defense establishment. How

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Speaker 5: It's incredible the amount of things that are taking place

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Speaker 5: adding drones to all of the different training that they're doing.

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Speaker 5: We're going to get to the point where a drone

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Speaker 5: aside from their weapon and canteen and the like. Wow,

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Speaker 6: You ought to follow them on x at Major Mike Lyons. Mike,

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Speaker 6: always great to talk.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for the insight, great great thanks for

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Speaker 1: Thank you so Trump said this yesterday, Michael.

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Speaker 2: With all of the wars.

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Speaker 3: That I got involved, and we only have this one left.

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Speaker 2: Of course, as I walk out.

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Speaker 3: The door, they'll probably be a new one starting and

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Speaker 3: I'll get that stop too. But I this was going

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Speaker 2: They're very complex.

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Speaker 3: The next step would be for a trilateral meeting and

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Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't say what the thing says here, but anyway,

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Speaker 1: Trump says Putin agreed to accept security guarantees.

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Speaker 2: What I just don't believe.

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Speaker 1: That, and I don't understand why Trump believes it, or

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Speaker 6: But the presumptive clothes he accepted some security guarantees, so

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Speaker 1: These security guarantees. But I heard this on Friday, and

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Speaker 1: I forgot to mention it yesterday. I think this is huge.

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Speaker 1: Leon Panetto was on one of the shows I think

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Speaker 1: He said, I was happy that there was not a ceasefire.

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Speaker 1: Ceasefires are where borders have been drawn all around the world.

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Speaker 1: haven't heard anybody else say that, but that's clearly true.

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Speaker 6: So I came across this threat of comment on Animal Farm, which,

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Speaker 6: More key takeaways from Animal Farm on its Birthday. Historical

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Speaker 6: a people's own history so they don't know who they are,

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Speaker 6: and then you can supply them an alternate history that

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Speaker 6: puts them where you want them to be.

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Speaker 1: They're not accidentally Howard zenning our history in schools.

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Speaker 2: It's a deliberate.

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Speaker 1: Strategy sixteen nineteen Project Oh Yeah, yeah, exactly. That was

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Speaker 1: not inaccurate because they moved too fast or something like that.

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Speaker 2: It was deliberately.

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Speaker 6: Designed to make Western civil ashamed of itself and anxious

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Speaker 6: for its own change. Anyway I could elaborate, but erasing

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Speaker 6: history is enormously unpopular, is enormously important, brother.

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Speaker 1: Uh point six. Propaganda is more powerful than physical force. Hmmm, squealer.

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Speaker 1: The pig constantly threatens that Jones will come back if

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Speaker 1: animals don't obey, while presenting false statistics showing increased food production,

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Speaker 1: even as the animals starve.

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Speaker 6: They believe their suffering serves the greater good. Just bad information. Interesting,

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Speaker 6: scape and those pigs didn't have the Internet. That's the

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Speaker 6: problem we got. They didn't have as much misinformation. Oh

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Speaker 6: my gosh. That's a good point. Scapegoating enables political manipulation.

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Speaker 6: That's kind of self explanatory. I think if you blame, say,

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Speaker 6: I don't know, white people or Jews or black people

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Speaker 6: or whatever, for the ills of.

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Speaker 2: Society, you don't have to take responsibility for them and

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Speaker 2: fix them.

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Speaker 1: I'm right.

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Speaker 6: Fear and violence reshaped consciousness itself. The uh you know,

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Speaker 6: the pig regime created so much terror that even questioning

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Speaker 6: orders became unthinkable. Again, that speaks for itself. Now, this

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Speaker 6: is one of the parts I really wanted to get to.

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Speaker 6: Mass conformity is engineered, not natural. This relates directly to

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Speaker 6: what we've been talking about the last couple of days,

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Speaker 6: and that's a preference falsification, where everybody starts to believe

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Speaker 2: It's a deliberate strategy.

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Speaker 6: And the sheep in animal farm are trained to mindlessly

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Speaker 1: The term you hear sometimes and Jack will semi frequently

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Speaker 6: That they're neo Marxist postmodernists trying to tear down Western civilization.

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Speaker 6: And the answer is some of them do, but a

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Speaker 6: lot of them are just the sheep prom Animal Farm.

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Speaker 6: They're bleating. Four legs good, two legs bad. And final point,

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Read Animal Form.

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Speaker 2: I suppose, all right. Final note on the animal farm thing.

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Speaker 1: The first comment under the thread the first time I

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Speaker 1: saw it was there are echoes of that today.

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Speaker 2: That's insightful.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's some good ass right there.

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Speaker 2: Well it's better not getting it, I suppose. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: there are echoes. Yes, okay, stay tuned.

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Speaker 9: Canada usually one of our warmest neighbors and our second

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Speaker 9: largest trading partner. So for the unforeseeable future, some of

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Speaker 9: the new thirty five percent tariff, the price for not

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Speaker 9: new deal. It's become a movement here Elbows up. They

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Speaker 9: ice rink telling hockey players to raise their elbows and

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Speaker 1: So I guess I get the whole the tariff thing.

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Speaker 1: But we have anecdotal evidence from someone who is Canadian

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Speaker 1: adjacent saying they're personally aware of Canadians that will not

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because the anti Canadian purge is going on, and

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Speaker 6: the well, the Canadian confinement camps that have popped up here, what.

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Speaker 1: And I love Canada?

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Speaker 6: They mean crime or do they actually fear like Trump

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, but I have a story from

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Speaker 1: Geez twenty years ago, maybe Gladys many years ago, when

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Speaker 1: I was traveling across Canada. I've done a fair amount

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Speaker 1: was you're just dodging bullets the entire time you go

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Speaker 1: can't even imagine what that must be like. And I thought,

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Speaker 1: how do you have such a I mean, yes, Chicago,

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Speaker 1: they brought up Chicago. Chicago's you know, much more dangerous

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Speaker 1: not like a death sentence to just show up in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Tens of thousands of people do every day. It's one

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Speaker 1: that they had such a exaggerated, warped view of how

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Speaker 1: now with the immigration stuff.

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Speaker 2: Is that what it is?

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Speaker 6: Well, you got the terraft thing, but the whole we're

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Speaker 6: gonna annex you thing really pissed off Cannon.

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Speaker 2: I get that, but really did it.

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Speaker 6: In fact, it's decimating US booze and wine industries.

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Speaker 1: Fully understand why you would not dig the United States

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Speaker 1: talking about taking mule for his estate, but I don't

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Speaker 1: in the United States. Being afraid to step foot in

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Speaker 1: the United States is different than I won't go there

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Speaker 1: out of disgust, and that's just.

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Speaker 2: I just can't even imagine what that is.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, right, yeah, I want to alert you to that.

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Speaker 1: I the key to traveling anywhere is to ask somebody

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I always use the are there young women walking alone

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Speaker 1: around here? Or they're like twenty one year old college

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Speaker 1: girls walking down the street by themselves. That's a pretty

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Speaker 1: good tip. Yeah, different topic. I just saw the backlash

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Speaker 1: that is growing against the remodel of cracker barrels across

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Speaker 1: the United States.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 1: As a big fan of cracker barrels nationwide, I am

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Speaker 1: not happy to hear about this. I wasn't aware they're

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Speaker 1: getting rid of the old timey look, the old timey

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Speaker 1: plastic booths sort of vibe as opposed to you know,

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Speaker 1: in the eighteen eighties sort of thing that they had

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Speaker 1: a cracker barrel. Are gonna kick the name? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but a fair amount of blowback from those of us.

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Speaker 1: I'm probably on the older end. We did a cracker

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Speaker 1: barrel and like the old timey look, boy o, boy o,

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Speaker 1: boy that's a that's a gutsy thing to do when

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Speaker 1: do we try to do we try to get the

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Speaker 1: next generation by modernizing because perhaps young people aren't like

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Speaker 1: we just stick with the tried and true. This is

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Speaker 1: a you lose your job forever sort of decision if

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Speaker 2: And I just as.

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Speaker 1: Hiring Dylan mulvaneous level. Yes, this is new coke. Perhaps, uh,

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Speaker 1: there wasn't wrong with anything wrong with the old coke.

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Speaker 1: And I just saw the CEO of Cracker Barrel up

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Speaker 1: on the Early Show on CBS trying to explain herself

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Speaker 1: to the blowback out there.

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Speaker 2: We'll see.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure the changes will be pleasing to both our

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Speaker 1: If I walk into one and I can't buy a

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Speaker 1: Kenny Rogers' Greatest Hit CD right there at the front desk,

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Speaker 1: I'm leaving. That's why I'm there for the rebamcintire CDs.

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Speaker 6: We'll have a drag queen to meet you at its

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Speaker 6: door and escort you to your shiny modernistic table.

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Speaker 2: We'll drag queen meet you at the door. This isn't

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Speaker 2: crack the cracker barrel.

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Speaker 1: I remember where's the little triangle thing where you move

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Speaker 1: the pegs the DIEQ test right right now? I got

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Speaker 1: some sort of which gender are you test? Remove the

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Speaker 1: pigs right.

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Speaker 2: And the answers to which everyone you want to.

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Speaker 1: Wol crap and Dylan Bilbady will be the Cracker Barrels spokesman.

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Speaker 1: I'm here for chicken fried straight shake, not gender bending madness.

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Speaker 2: Wow oh boy.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of good clips, I think damned

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Speaker 1: interesting clips out of that historic gathering at the White

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Speaker 1: House yesterday, including some comic moments, some levity that happened

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Speaker 1: about old Zelensky's suit, among other things. We can get

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Speaker 1: to an hour three if you're missing its podcast Armstrong

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