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Speaker 1: again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. Not just another episode,

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Speaker 1: not just another episode. Welcome to our two hundredth episode

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Speaker 1: Devon and Joe. And even though it is our two

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Speaker 1: do you know, We've I don't know if either of

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Speaker 1: another time when it's better for those who of you

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Speaker 1: who do not know. Richie Edwards was a member of

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Speaker 1: the band Manic Street Preachers. Did you guys ever listen

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Speaker 1: layers of skin for him to want to do that.

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00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: So the point is he does this. They're still on

428
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: tour and on the third or the first of December,

429
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: Nikki goes outside of their hotel in Hamburg, Germany and

430
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: finds Ritchie with his face covered in blood because he's

431
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: been banging his head against the side of the building.

432
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: At that point, the band knew there was trouble. They

433
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: canceled the rest of the tour. They did what really

434
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: excellent friends would have done, yes, and they all went

435
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: home and they took him home. I you know, I

436
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: think about this case and I think about like Kurt Cobain,

437
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: and I think about how, like how it makes me

438
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: sad a little bit because they think if Kurt Cobain

439
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: had had the kind of like really serious support system

440
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: that Richie had, like he probably I mean, he may

441
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: not have, but I think he would have been in

442
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: a better situation. So you know, that's always interesting for me.

443
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: That's a good boy, Yeah, yeah, I mean, and I

444
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: think that there's a number of That's the hard part

445
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: with fame and situations like that is it's a lot

446
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: of people after the fact that have realized how caught

447
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: up they get in it well, and so they lose

448
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: touch with all those other things and all those other people.

449
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: I mean, the manic street street teacher teachers walked away

450
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: from a ton of money when they walked away from

451
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: the rest of their tour. I mean, they forfeit that

452
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: they may have even been liable for some of the

453
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: the expenses in cared and they did that because they thought,

454
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: this is our friend and he needs help. Away from it.

455
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: At the same time, they were probably their temperates were

456
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: getting a little shorter with every one of these incidents.

457
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: They're probably maybe, but they could have just said, Okay,

458
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: you're out, and they didn't do that. No, but they

459
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: were probably at least getting somewhat exasperated. They were supportive,

460
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: but at the same time they're probably richer. But I like, frankly,

461
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: if it were like you guys, I would just be like,

462
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna lose me a ton of money,

463
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: So like you just go home. I'm gonna stay here. Yeah,

464
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like that's just that's that's a

465
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: tip of human behavior. It's it's really admirable the way

466
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: that they tried to take care of him. Yeah, I mean,

467
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: I think they could have gone the way of was

468
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: a g n R and Axel Guns and Rose and

469
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: Axel Rose, I mean, Axl Rose was notorious for getting

470
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: drunk and showing up late, being a total prima donna

471
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: until eventionally, am I wrong and do either you remember

472
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: this until eventually they kicked him to the curb. So

473
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: you're allowed to listen to it. Yeah, okay, I It's

474
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: been so long since I've read I just remember him

475
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: doing stuff like that, but that's that's not important to

476
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: her story here. So they took him home. To take

477
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: him home. Everything for the remainder of the month of

478
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: December seems good. Everything for the month of January seems good.

479
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: And by that I mean that his friends and family

480
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: and mates all say that nothing seems wrong. He's relaxing,

481
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: he's seeing people. He doesn't seem to be you know,

482
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: his behavior isn't that he's continuing to get completely blasted

483
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: drunk and then harm himself. Like maybe he's you know,

484
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: he's really on the road. He's on the road to recovery, exactly.

485
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: The timing on this lab this next bit might have

486
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 1: been a little bit too soon, but the Ritchie was

487
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: and James Bradfield, who is another member of the band

488
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: that's still around by the way, Oh yeah, no, they're

489
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: they've still putting out albums there and there's still actually

490
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's really I find admirable is it's still

491
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: the original three guys and Richie came on. What happens

492
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: with Richie happens and those three stuck together. They've not

493
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: brought on anybody since that I can tell. So it's

494
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: been the same guys the whole time, and thanks guy.

495
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: I've heard too that they give a quarter of their

496
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: money to Richie's family. Other words, the royalties are divided

497
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: up four ways and Richie's share goes that's great. You

498
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: know they are well And I don't know if they're

499
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: still doing that, Joe. I know that up until up

500
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 1: until the time that he was declared legally dead, they

501
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: were still depositing his portion of everything in an account

502
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: for him in holding. Yeah, it's a significant amount of money.

503
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: There's a lot of oh yeah, no, no, many many

504
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: years of money. So yes. So, like I'm saying, though,

505
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: is James Bradfield and he they're supposed to go on

506
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: a promotional tour in America, and Richie had been on

507
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: the phone with his mom and he had said that

508
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: he wasn't too excited about the tour and he didn't

509
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: really want to go or the promotional tour. But he

510
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: didn't really want to go, but he's going to do

511
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: it because he had to kind of kind of approach,

512
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: which we've all had conversations like that, I don't want

513
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: to do this, but I'm gonna do it anyway. The

514
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: pair check into the Embassy hotel on the thirty one

515
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: of January, James and and Richie and Richie, yes not

516
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: not Richie and his mom. Correct. Correct. They are supposed

517
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: to leave the next day, which is February one, but

518
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: instead on the first Richie checks out of his room

519
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: and then makes several hour drive from London to Cardiff.

520
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: And I am pretty sure that there's so there's a

521
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: obviously a bunch of embassy hotels all over England, but

522
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that they would have been flying out

523
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: of Heathrow. They were saying, like the embassy at the

524
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: airport or by water or something like that. I can't

525
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: remember now that's fine, I mean it doesn't probably don't

526
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: need to know exactly where, but it was London. I

527
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: was in the London area. So he makes a several

528
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: hour drive from there back to his flattened Cardiff. When

529
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: he did left, he took his wallet and his passport

530
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: and his car keys. Um. I think they said that

531
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: he left behind. I can't remember if he took or

532
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: left behind some prozac. And he also took with him

533
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: twenty eight hundred pounds which he had been slowly collecting

534
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: theoretically in preparation for this trip to America. He was

535
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: because he was he was going to the A T

536
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: M and getting two hundred pounds a day because that

537
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: was his limit. So theoretically he was taking it where

538
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: he's getting it all in in prep for the trip.

539
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna converted to the US dollars. A

540
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: little walking around money. Not a bad idea, yeah, Bradfield,

541
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he had no choice. He had to go.

542
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: So he got on the plane and he went to America.

543
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: And he said he hoped that Richie would just, you know,

544
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: come with senses and show up. It sounds like Richie

545
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: kind of did that sometimes. It was a bit flighty

546
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: at times. He just like wander off and then be like,

547
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: oh here I am. Yeah. On the next day, which

548
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: would be the second of February, the Manic Street Preachers

549
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: manager files missing person's report. From that point on, things

550
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: get a heck of a lot harder to track. They're

551
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: not nearly as exact as a lot of what we've

552
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 1: talked about so far. After the second supposedly, Ritchie was

553
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: spotted in the passport office in Newport, which is in Wales. Uh,

554
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: it's bad, it's east of Cardiff. I want it looks

555
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: like it's about an hour or so drive maybe away,

556
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: but he supposedly spotted there. He's also said to have

557
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: been spotted by a fan at the Newport bus station

558
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: and then so those are two fan sightings or regular sightings.

559
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: And there's also there's a taxi driver that pops up

560
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: in this and we're gonna talk about him now and

561
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: again later. But the short version of the taxi driver

562
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: is that on the seventh of February, he says he

563
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: picked up a man who he believed was Ritchie from

564
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: the King's Hotel in Newport and then drove him around

565
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: the area for what sounds like at least an hour,

566
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: and people say that he was probably taking it if

567
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: it was Richie, taking him to see his old haunts

568
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: in neighborhoods and stuff like that, before the driver eventually

569
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: dropped him off at the Severn Service station, at which

570
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: point the passenger pays the sixty eight pound fair in cash. Now,

571
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: I find some issues with that destination, but we're gonna

572
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: talk about that in theory. So we're gonna hold off

573
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: on the cab driver portion till then. Okay, And by

574
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: the way, that the seven service station is arrest area, correct,

575
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: and we're we're gonna go into some more detail on

576
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: that as well, because it plays into some of the

577
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: local things that are around in the area where the

578
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: last belief sightings are. Actually, we're gonna talk about it

579
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: right now. Okay, Ritchie's Vauxhall Cavalier. It arrived at that

580
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: at that same service station, the seven service station, on

581
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: the fourteenth of February, and the Vauxhall Cavaliers a car.

582
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: It is a car. It was reported as abandoned on

583
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: the seventeenth of February. By the way, there's a there's

584
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: a several hour parking limit at this station, which is

585
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: why after three days they consider it abandoned. And then

586
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: it was it was collected by the police. You know,

587
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: they took it, they towed it. Sorry, I just looked

588
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: up what a Vauxhall Cavalier looks like, thinking like, oh,

589
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: this is gonna be some like super cool car, and

590
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: it's like a crappy letl like, it's it's not a

591
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 1: fancy car. No, not at all. It's like what you're

592
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: driving high school something like that. Sorry I interrupted. Okay,

593
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: it's okay, okay, let's let's explain. Because Joe actually had

594
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: started on this route, and then I shut him down

595
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: much too quickly, and I apologize for that. Is we're

596
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: going to talk about what the Severn service station is

597
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: because here in the US, we're all used to rest

598
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: stops which have hopefully working restrooms at them. Well, and

599
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: if you're also lucky, they might have vending machines for

600
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, snacks and drinks, and those may or may

601
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: not exist or may or may not work. The ones

602
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: in the Midwest are pretty nice. Sometimes they even have like, oh,

603
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: I don't remember what they even call them. They call

604
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: them like sky ramps or something like that. And you

605
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: like exit and you park, and it's like a couple

606
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: of restaurants and a service station and like blah, you've

607
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: never seen them. They're like above, they're like an overpass

608
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: kind of situation. Okay, that's super cool, but they're few

609
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: and far between. Okay, in Oregon it's yeah. And some

610
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: places that I've lived and traveled to around the country,

611
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: I've always just seen the basics. You're lucky. If there

612
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: is somebody selling coffee for donations, kind of call that

613
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: crack coffee. I do have to say that that what

614
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: do you got? Those things are wonderful. Especially I am

615
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: happy to stop and deal with the scheezy guy. I'm

616
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: not going to complain too much. Yeah, okay, So in

617
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: the in the UK there maybe not like that. They're

618
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: not like that because I've been to them. So what

619
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: they are instead is much like you talked about in

620
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: the Midwest, where there will be a restaurant or two

621
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: or three, sometimes in the same building. Sometimes they're not.

622
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's even a you know, a shop or two

623
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: selling chatsky from the local area. You know, look at

624
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: the such and such and such and get it on

625
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: a key ring. I mean, like there's things, and it's

626
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: it's likely to be populated by, if nobody else, some

627
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: Lory drivers and the employees at the location, so it's

628
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: it's not a desert like we're used to. Well, that's

629
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: part of the reason that they they're really they're kind

630
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: of well monitored. Typically. I know they're not all I

631
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: read some of the reviews of different stations that I

632
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,479
Speaker 1: get that they are not all the same. But there's

633
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: gonna be people there and that's why they are really

634
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: able to do a good job of monitoring cars when

635
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: they when they're there, because people are coming in and out,

636
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: and they want to make sure that nobody's squatting or

637
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: camping at that location because that's rarely allowed. Hopefully. I

638
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: don't know that. I don't know what every one of

639
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: them is like, but that's okay. This particular station though,

640
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: this the Severn Service station, is next to properly named

641
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: the Severn Bridge, which crosses can you guess the Severn River?

642
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: The Severn yea a Severn valley of canyon? It is

643
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: river Severn, Yes, Severn and Wells's value of death. I forgot.

644
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: I forgot in in England, it's it's River Severn, not

645
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: the It's not the Severn River, it's opposite. Everything has

646
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: to be a little different every English. I actually bragged

647
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: people all the time, like did you know that I

648
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: am completely fluent in reading the Queen's English? And they

649
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: always look at me like they don't understand the joke?

650
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: Do you have to read it in her voice? Though? Too? Hi?

651
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: Do you do? Okay, we're way off track. I can't

652
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: tell which one of these sounds more like the Queen.

653
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: I know, it's it's tough, we're really good at it,

654
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: but we're way off top. So so here there's a bridge, right, there. Yes,

655
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: So the point is River Severn flows, it eventually flows

656
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: into the Bristol Channel, which eventually flows into the ocean,

657
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: because England is it's his island. Yes, they all kind

658
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: of well, they're all pretty close to the don't know

659
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: if you know they're not. But almost every single river

660
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: who into the ocean eventually a river which goes into

661
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: the ocean. Exactly. Sorry. Seven bridge a suspension bridge. It's

662
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: a pretty big one. Actually it's scott Yeah, it's pretty

663
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: cool looking and it's a suspension bridge. And it goes

664
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: from the Bristol side to the Newport side, and Newport

665
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: is on the north west side of the bridge, and

666
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: I believe southeast is the Bristol side, and the service

667
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: station itself is on the southeast end of the bridge.

668
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: There's a park on the other end, which according to

669
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that I've seen on the inn,

670
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: it looks pretty nice. But what's important to understand about

671
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: this is that, and this whole play into our theories

672
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: is there is something about this particular suspension bridge, as

673
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: there is with many tall bridges, it attracts people who

674
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: are wanting to take their own lives. Well, it's probably

675
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: because there's a really nice parking area at the southeast

676
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: end of the bridge. Yeah, if they would just move

677
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: that thing. No, well, I mean, if you think about it,

678
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: the deck is a hundred and fifty feet above the water.

679
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: That's a that's a drop or forty sevens that's a

680
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: long ways down. Pretty good chance you're not going to

681
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: survive that. So that's very attractive to someone who's intent

682
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: is not to survive it. I still say it's a

683
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: parking So, like I said, they collected his vehicle on

684
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: the seventeenth of February, and and that's it. From from

685
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: no point forward on was was any sign of Richie

686
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: concretely found nobody. When they found his car, they could

687
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: tell that it had been lived in for at least

688
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: several days with burger rappers and stuff like that, and

689
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: not necessarily not even necessarily by rich food rappers. Food

690
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: rappers could have been fast food rappers. Anybody could have

691
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: moved into his car. The thing that makes people think

692
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: that probably didn't happen though Joe is that there were

693
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: Phoe those of his family in there strewn about in

694
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: the car, which leads people to think that he must

695
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: have been hanging out sleeping in his car and looking

696
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: at family reminiscing, but we don't know that for sure.

697
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: Over the years, Uh, just like with Elvis and any

698
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: other famous person, there are sightings. There have been sightings

699
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: of Richie, and he is very well traveled. According to

700
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: the sightings. He's been in the Canary Islands, He's been

701
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: in Goa, India. Uh. He was apparently sited at the

702
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: library in Newport, which is just a couple of miles

703
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: away from where he disappeared several years later, So he's

704
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: all over the map. Seems to be the go to

705
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: spot for sighted people. Who but seriously, I w who

706
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: else am I thinking of? It? Seems like I've heard

707
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: of a couple of other people who disappeared, and we're

708
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: also spotted and none other than go Yeah. Yeah, it

709
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: seems to be the place to go. It does appear

710
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: to be a popular, popular destination for it disappeared. Yeah,

711
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: it does. So it's almost time to go into theories.

712
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: But before we do that, we should probably take a

713
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: quick break and listen to Richie's last album. So we're

714
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: going to take a break and we'll be back in

715
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: about fifty six minutes. Perfect. I cried because I had

716
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: no shoes, and then I met a man who had

717
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: no feet, and I said, hey, dude, give me your

718
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: shoes and socks if you're not using them. Well, I

719
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: gotta tell you that really improved things a lot, especially

720
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: the socks, because it turns out the socks were not

721
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: just your ordinary socks. They were Bombas, which you probably

722
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: heard of if you're on the internet, especially for listening

723
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: to podcasts. Bombas that spelled bomb ass. Bomba's other creation

724
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: of Randy Goldberg and David Heath, who about four years

725
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: ago I said they were going to redesign the sock

726
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: and they did. They really really thought them well. And frankly,

727
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a pair of right now, and I truly am,

728
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: and they're really good. I've been wearing them all day

729
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: and that won't feel nearly as bad as socks typically

730
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: due by twelve hours of my feet in them. They

731
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: have premium socks, they have seven substantial improvements to the

732
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: ordinary sock, and for every pair that they sell, this

733
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: is a nice selling point, they donate a pair to

734
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: those Indeed, they've already donated over two million pairs of

735
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: socks so far, so that's a pretty cool thing. So

736
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: if you need new socks, I don't think you can

737
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: go wrong with Bomba's. So go to Bomba's dot com

738
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: slash Sideways now and you can get off your first

739
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: order you love the socks, or you get your money back.

740
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: That's guaranteed. That's bombas dot Com. That's b O M

741
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: b a s dot Com slash Sideways And we're back.

742
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: Then does it really matter that he couldn't play the guitar.

743
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: It's got some good beats, good rhythm. Now, I mean,

744
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: do you ever see Bono playing the guitar? Yeah, and

745
00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: he has those stupid glasses I don't think can see. Okay,

746
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: so we're in theories. We're going to start out with

747
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: the most prominent theory out there, which is suicide. So

748
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: from what and there's there's some back history to why

749
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: this theory is so such a favorite. From what I've read,

750
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: Wales was not exactly a prospering place in the eighties

751
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: and growing up there really wasn't all that awesome because

752
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: at eighties into the nineties, because if you remember back,

753
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: there's Margaret Thatcher and she did she did some things

754
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: where she reorganized industry, specifically coal mines, and that that

755
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: really closed down the economy to a lot of people,

756
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: and it had some pretty negative impacts for a lot

757
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: of blue collar workers. And so there was a lot

758
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: of families who were you know, shortage on food, shortage

759
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: on money, unemployment for years on end. Like it didn't

760
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: do good things in Wales was not one of those

761
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: places that got off scott free. It went for just

762
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: like everybody what they were scott free. If you want

763
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: to Scotch you went to Scotland. That I would say.

764
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time in Wales, and it's

765
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: a it's a beautiful little country. I like Whales a lot.

766
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: But the country is made of slate, which means that

767
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: most of the houses abilities are also made of gray slate,

768
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: which is very picturesque on a sunny day, but on

769
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: a cloudy, rainy day it can be kind of just

770
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: a little bit gray. And they have so many of them,

771
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: they have a lot of them. Yeah, but yeah, I

772
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: mean even then there's a certain beauty to it, but

773
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: it's definitely more depressing than a sunny day in Wales

774
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: for sure. Oh yeah, no, I mean we live in

775
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: a town where it's cloudy and rainy for months and

776
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: months Onunday and I get it. But imagine living in

777
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 1: the same town and all the buildings and houses are gray. Yeah,

778
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: that's really yeah, that's that's a that's a very good point.

779
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: And by the way, Wales, don't be it, don't be upset.

780
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: I still like your country a lot. Yeah, it's very picturesque. Now.

781
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: Like a lot of creatives, Richie was able to take

782
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: the things that he went through in his life and

783
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: turn them into his music. I mean, that's how That's

784
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: something that he drew upon to make his lyrics. So

785
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: there's a positive in this negative. Um, he's not the

786
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: only one that did it from the coal strikes stuff.

787
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: So for anybody who knows Chumbawamba, they their their hit

788
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: tub Thumping, and that is also based on what happened

789
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: in the coal industry. I get knocked down again. You're

790
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: never going to keep me down. That was like my favorite.

791
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: That was one of the first albums I ever bought.

792
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: I love that album. That is fun The rest of

793
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: the album really good. Yeah. I Actually it's funny is

794
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: that when I was when I was doing my research,

795
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: I turned that on when I came across that this bit,

796
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: which I've known for a while I was like, oh, yeah,

797
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: I should listen to it, thinking well, I'll just keep

798
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: reading this, and I found it was impossible to do

799
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: while it was playing You Got you Gotta sing along? Well, no,

800
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: I just said to posit. Okay, I did that instead,

801
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: because it's in the office. I gotta, I gotta, like,

802
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: I gotta listen to this song. It's and too long

803
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: as I've heard that, I will serenade you later. Okay,

804
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: we'll pull it up on on whatever website we need to.

805
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: So the thing is like we talked about before. So

806
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: there's that. And then Richie he had been experiencing depression

807
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: for many years and he was very open about it.

808
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: He didn't hide it away, and I to a degree,

809
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: I believe that might be one of the things that

810
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: drew some people to him, as he was open about it.

811
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: He talked openly about I'm going through this thing and

812
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: this is what it is, and I'm going to deal

813
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: with it, which he was at least at the end

814
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: he was on prozac. Have some podcaster friends who attribute

815
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 1: their success greatly to being able to be open about

816
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: the issues that they have gone through them. So I mean,

817
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: that's that's absolutely accurate. I think people like to connect

818
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: with people who are going through similar things. So there's

819
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: a quote here, um which which I will give, which

820
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: is something that Richie Gosh, when did he I don't

821
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: remember when he said this. This was in the last

822
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: year or so before he died, if I am correct,

823
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: And it is quote by the way before. Actually it's

824
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: him talking about his thoughts on suicide, because that's the

825
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: theory we're in. And he says in terms of the

826
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: S word that does not enter my mind. It never

827
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: has done in terms of an attempt because I am

828
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: stronger than that. I might be a weak person, but

829
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: I can take pain unquote. Yeah, that comes back to

830
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: kind of my the thing I was talking about earlier

831
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: with this self harm versus like attempted suicide, and that

832
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: it does sound like to me that he may have

833
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: driven himself to his rock bottom through another route. Yeah,

834
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: but I mean it also sounds like he wasn't self

835
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: harming to be killing himself. He was self harming to

836
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: experience that pain in his life for whatever reason. And

837
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: so you know, I mean, that's that's not uncommon. It's

838
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: not uncommon for people to self harm and have no

839
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: thought of suicide. Yeah, I don't. I'm not even sure

840
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: how much of a correlation there is between the two,

841
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: to be I don't believe that the experts there might

842
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: be really no correlation as far as I know, Yeah, yeah,

843
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: I I I don't know how much of it is

844
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: the cyclical nature of things, the escalation, like we've talked

845
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: about in a lot of different things. I honestly don't know.

846
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: I would think that if you're that that, at that point,

847
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: in that space where you're harming yourself, you would probably

848
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: statistically be a little more likely to commit suicide than

849
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: the average person, probably probably, But beyond that, I'm not

850
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: so sure that it's a strong correlation. Um So, so

851
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: there's that, that's he that's there's his stance on suicide

852
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: and what he said, and maybe he was just putting

853
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: up airs and he was not as strong as he thought.

854
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: One other thing that people point to is the lyrics

855
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: for the Holy Bible. People say that the lyrics on

856
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: that album were actually Richie Edwards suici note because there

857
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: was no actually there was no physical note. You know,

858
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: you always see the note pinned left somewhere that it

859
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: was his opus to his life. Correct that, and he

860
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: had also apparently for like six months, he had been

861
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: collecting works that he found important, and he had him

862
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: in a three ring binder, and he had been organizing

863
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: it and copying this stuff. And then he went and

864
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: made copies of all of it and gave it to

865
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: the other three members of the band, like it was

866
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: a really big important thing that he had been working

867
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: on for six months, which is coincidentally, once he gave

868
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: it to them, it wasn't very long after that that

869
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: he disappeared, that along with the lyrics on the album,

870
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: it would be interesting. Well, but that's the trick I mean,

871
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: is that it was important to him before he disappeared.

872
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't mean that he killed himself or doesn't

873
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: mean that he was preparing to leave for a different

874
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: I mean, like they equally plausible he could have said.

875
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: Mean they could have been a sign of this is

876
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: all this literature. I want you to have this, all

877
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: this great material. Yeah, I gotta leave the band, not

878
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: to kill myself or not to start in your life.

879
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: But I think, what are you getting at, Devin Craim,

880
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to leave the band. No, I'm just saying.

881
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: He was just saying goodbye, And he could have been

882
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: saying goodbye, like I'm I'm about to go to America

883
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: or the you know, Galopcos Islands or wherever and you know,

884
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: be there, or I'm going to kill myself and this

885
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: is the last time. I mean it's to me, all

886
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: that says is he was preparing to say goodbye and

887
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: like leave something for them. Yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean

888
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: to me that he killed himself or you didn't know well,

889
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: And there is some of that that typical goodbye behavior

890
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: in his actions during the month of January, because he

891
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: does go see a lot of his family during that time.

892
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: So people said, well he was he was doing his

893
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: final goodbyes. There's the whole thing with the trip with

894
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: the that's supposedly on the seventh of February. There's the

895
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: cab driver. Okay, so there's a lot of problem. Well, yeah,

896
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 1: because the cab driver says he picks him up at

897
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: this hotel in Newport and drives him all over and

898
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: then drops him off at the seven service station, which

899
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: I have two questions. One, okay, so where's his car

900
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 1: and when did this this guy come forward? And I'm

901
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: pretty sure that this guy didn't the day he's made

902
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: this sighting come forward. I'm sure a week or seven

903
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: later he saw something in the news when oh I

904
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 1: picked that blowup in my cab blah blah blah blah blah.

905
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: Well even more than that, he dropped him off on

906
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: a station where his car might have been. So why

907
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: didn't Richie just drive himself on this reminiscing Like why

908
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: did he spend all the money and potentially you know,

909
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: exposing why why? Why? Yeah, I didn't he just drive himself?

910
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: Hard to say maybe somebody was using his car or

911
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: car Well, yeah, okay, I mean yeah, there's there's all

912
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: kinds of weird things. So I really, well, I'm not

913
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: immediately ready to discount some of the sightings prior, the

914
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: ones that happened prior to the whole cabs situation. I'm

915
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: willing to just throw out entirely to kill. But also,

916
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's probably worth mentioning that Richie is not

917
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: like a crazy unique looking He's not nondescript, but it's

918
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: not like there's something about him where you would immediate

919
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: look at him and be like, it's not like foot

920
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: seven with blue hair. Yeah, he's not even that. I mean,

921
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: you know, he's kind of an average looking dude, and yeah, certainly,

922
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, for performances and stuff. He put on the

923
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: makeup and did the whole show, but without the makeup

924
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: and just as a normal person, Like he just kind

925
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: of looked like an ormal person. Especiating how many cavies

926
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: listening to the manic street Preachers. Yeah, yeah, I really

927
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: think this is all boils down to newspaper coverage of

928
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: the story. But the Daily Mail, the Daily Mail, so

929
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: that that really, you know, the proximity to the bridge,

930
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: which is a notorious place for people to commit suicide from,

931
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: along with the stuff we talked about there, that is

932
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: the sum total of what I've got for the suicide theory.

933
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: We do actually have two more theories to go though,

934
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: so we're not completely done. Okay, let's go to the

935
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: next one, which is he ran away to start an

936
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: entirely new life. I mean, why not? I want this

937
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: to be the actually what it is? This is the one, right,

938
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: this is whenever we do disappearances, were like, and this

939
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: is the one I wanted to be, Yes, but we

940
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: don't think it is. Uh, I'm not particular case. Well,

941
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: and before we went to the break, we talked about

942
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: the fact that There were all kinds of sightings of Ritchie,

943
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 1: and most of them, of course in the We're all

944
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: happened in the first couple of years, when the story

945
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: was rather fresh. Those sightings are always fueled by the

946
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: idea that he left, and I have to believe that

947
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: will think that Richie Edwards left the band and fame

948
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: because he simply could not take the rock and roll

949
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: lifestyle anymore and what it was doing to him mentally

950
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: and physically. He had to get away. I mean, that's

951
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: that's what this whole thing is always about. There are

952
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,959
Speaker 1: a few things that make it plausible, first of which

953
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: is the location of where they found his car, which

954
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: is at the seven service station, which is on the

955
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: M forty eight, which is a spur of the M four,

956
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 1: which is a giant, major thorough highway. So it could

957
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: he could very easily have stopped there and dumped his

958
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: car and call the cab thumbed ride walked away, even

959
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: like there's a whole bunch of ways to to then

960
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: go over to a bus station and catch a bus away,

961
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: Like there's a whole bunch of ways he could have

962
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: left on his own under his own power. While the

963
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, like we said, while the Manu Street Preachers

964
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: were popular, not all that unique of an individual in appearance,

965
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: so also like we're popular, but well, I need I've

966
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: never ever had somebody be like, your voice sounds kind

967
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: of familiar. I mean, like Joe has such a distinctive voice,

968
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: and that's never happened to you, right, Like, nobody's ever

969
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: come up to you and been like, hey, sorry, you

970
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: have a very distinctive voice. Like that doesn't mean that

971
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: did happen took once. But I mean I have friends

972
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: who are on things and I you know, I'm out

973
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: with them and sometimes they get like super mob recognized

974
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: and other times they don't. It's just kind of like

975
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: it's'd be easy, especially if you have your aesthetic again

976
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: with like the makeup and all that stuff, and if

977
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: he's wearing a ball cap and regular everyday close, he's

978
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: not going to stand at any way shape or for

979
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: the other thing is that we talked about this before,

980
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 1: is that supposedly Richie had on him twenty eight hundred

981
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: pounds because he did yeah, even pulling money. He've been

982
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: pulling money out of his bank account, hundred pounds inspendable cash.

983
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 1: According to his sister, she says that he was taking

984
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: that money out because his intention was to buy and

985
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: pay for a desk for his his flattened cardiff. Now

986
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: there's some problems with that. First of which is there's

987
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: no record of him ever having paid for that, so

988
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: the order doesn't you know, she says this, but there's

989
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: no accounting of any store saying yeah we had that,

990
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: or that's what he told her. Right. The other problem

991
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: is is that you know, I mean, there's there's no receipt,

992
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: there's nothing like that, And he could have he could

993
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: have been pulling it out and spending it every day,

994
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: or he could have just been holding away and hanging

995
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: on to it. Yeah, Britain is actually kind of expensive,

996
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: so you know, I could see he could go to

997
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: a well, actually it desfinitely cost half of what he

998
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: had taken out. Four hundred pounds, Yeah, but there were

999
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: many fourteen How do you can breeze through that pretty

1000
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: damn quick? You You could burn through it if you

1001
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: were not being frugal about your money, you could go

1002
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: through it very fast. You know. That's not that I mean,

1003
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: it's not that much money. It's not that much money,

1004
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: but it's it's not nothing to scoff at. I mean

1005
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: I could, if I was careful about it and I

1006
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: was traveling, I could make that money go for a

1007
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: decent amount of time. For reference, it's about six thousand

1008
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: dollars today, which again is it nothing, but it's not

1009
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: a lot. If your plan is I'm going to go

1010
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: start a new life somewhere, well, if you're going to

1011
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: start a new life, it had better be in the

1012
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,959
Speaker 1: third world somewhere. But but okay, So if you remember, though,

1013
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: one of the sightings of Richie Edwards was at a

1014
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: passport office, so he could have been there to get

1015
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: a air quotes here new passport. Maybe he was had

1016
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: falsified a bunch of freaking documents. I don't know. That's

1017
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: that's what this theory. It's why people like this because

1018
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: it's so easy to say, wait, he went to the

1019
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: passport office. He then dumped his car and with his

1020
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: new passport, he got out of the country. Yeah, I

1021
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: wanted to be on the Galoppa, was with the tortoises

1022
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: or or the Canary Islands with the don't know that

1023
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: that's what I want to But also I don't uh, well,

1024
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't want to believe is the

1025
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: final theory that Okay, wait, actually we're not quite done

1026
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: with this, this little start of new life thing. Well,

1027
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: one of the things, as we noted at the beginning

1028
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: of the episode, this uh story has been suggested quite

1029
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: a few times by quite a lot of people. And

1030
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: I've looked into Richie's story before, and I had always

1031
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: assumed that Richie killed himself because and but until but

1032
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: this time around, since we detarted to actually talk about it,

1033
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: I looked into his life a little bit more. And

1034
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: one of the things I noted about him, you know,

1035
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: as we said earlier, he was very much in the

1036
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: literature and one of his favorite authors was was a

1037
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: French author, French poet named author Rambo. I Don'm sure

1038
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: you guys have heard of Rambo was, Yeah, Rambo was

1039
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 1: broken the poetry scene in the late nineteen century at

1040
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: the young age of about thirteen fourteen. Was a huge sensation.

1041
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: Uh totally like revolutionized poetry and lived a crazy life

1042
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: in many ways similar to Ritchie's, a little little kind

1043
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: of self destructive. After five years, about age nineteen, he

1044
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: gave up the poetry stuff and traveled the world and

1045
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: traveled all over Asia and the Middle East, and Africa

1046
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: and eventually took up residents in Harar, Abyssinia, which we

1047
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: now call Ethiopia today. So essentially he essentially disappeared. There's

1048
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: a there's a famous story out there about a Frenchman

1049
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: who actually used to know him, was on a ferry

1050
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: with a with a British not he was a Dutch guy,

1051
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: excuse me, who actually ran an import export business, and

1052
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: and the Dutch guy says, oh, I have a French

1053
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: guy working for me. His name is Arthur Rombo. And

1054
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: the French guy was a gog because well I met Rambo.

1055
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: I went to the same school as him. And by

1056
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: the way, everybody thinks he's dead because but no, he

1057
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: was living and her are Ethiopia than Abyssinia. Basically trading

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01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: and coffee beans and elephant ivory and guns. He was.

1059
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: He was an arms street. He was an armstealer. Interesting

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01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: the guy goes from being a poet to being an

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01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: arms stealer after after reading about Ritchie and how fascinated

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01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: Richie was with Rambo and also the other one. Another

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01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: interesting thing about him is is the ark of their

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01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: careers five years both of them before they checked out.

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01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: And so again this doesn't prove anything, yeah, because I

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01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: mean again, it's like it is. I mean, it's a

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01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: similar thing with like the Asha degree or Asia degree case,

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01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: where we were like, well, she did read that book

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01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: where they went on an adventure, and so maybe she

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01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we I think this is a

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01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: common thing to do with disappearances like this, and I'm

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01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: not not to discredit it, right, but I think it

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01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: is pretty common for us to kind of like reach

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01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: for those straws of like, well, this person like this author,

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01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: like I I like some authors that if I disappeared,

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01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: people could be like, oh yeah, and she liked this author,

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01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: so clearly she went off to emulate that life if

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Speaker 1: I disappear. It's yeah there, yeah, No. There's a big

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01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: difference though, and that is Asia read this book and

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01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: then disappeared. It's like it's not like she had been

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01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: reading the book for years and years and years or

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01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: reading other books by this author and again but then't

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Speaker 1: there one there was another one that we I feel like,

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01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: this is just something we've talked about a couple of times,

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01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: I think, but two d episodes later, we've probably said

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01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: every one of these words at least four times. This

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01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: exact same order, probably even yea true that. But the

1088
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: thing about Rambo is that is that his story was

1089
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: not fiction. It wasn't a kid's fantasy. This guy actually

1090
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: lived in real life. And the thing about Rambo is

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01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: that his life after he left literary scene in France

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01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: and one abroad. I'm sure in some ways it was harder,

1093
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: but his life was a lot more interesting. He actually

1094
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: a comp a lot more cool stuff after he dropped

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01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: out of society, disappeared. He was that he explored hitherto

1096
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: unexplored places. He was only the third white man ever

1097
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: to even set foot the town in the city of Harror,

1098
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: where he established himself as a successful businessman. I can

1099
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: see where if you're all in despair about your life

1100
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: and everything, you said, well, I can go jump off

1101
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: a bridge and kill myself or leave the bourgeois like

1102
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: or why not just go to Why don't just go

1103
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: to the ends of the earth and start over, And

1104
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: if it truly sucks, that, don't kill myself. You know,

1105
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm not totally convinced, But all the saying is I

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01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: would like to interview his family and make them bring

1107
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: out their passports. I want to look at their stamps.

1108
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,959
Speaker 1: I want to see where they've been going. But yeah, again,

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01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,439
Speaker 1: and and the coincidence of it all five years, both

1110
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: of them, I got to wonder, just a little convenient,

1111
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: I'll give you that. Okay, okay, So what's this horrible

1112
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: last theory? This horrible last theory like that the one?

1113
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: This is the one that I say w T too.

1114
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, I was. I was really kind of

1115
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: surprised by this because this theory is that Richie was

1116
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: knocked off by the New World Order. Basically, yeah, the

1117
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: basics of it art that, uh, the n W took

1118
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: him out because he he knew too much and he

1119
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: was trying to warn the world about what the WO

1120
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,479
Speaker 1: was doing through his lyrics. Did you did you find

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01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: this theory on a website that had like a black

1122
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: background with like lashing normal bs? Ok? Yeah, So so

1123
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: according to this theory, an example of what Richie was

1124
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: doing and the things that he was bringing forth to

1125
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: people's attention are in the lyrics of the song that

1126
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: he wrote which is on the Holy Bible. And that

1127
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: song is the title is if White America told the

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01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: truth for one day, it's world would fall apart. I've

1129
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: read the lyrics did your world fall apart? I don't

1130
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: get it, America, I am what did you read it

1131
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: for an entire day? No, I did not read it

1132
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: for an entire day, but I did read it several times.

1133
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you that I don't get it.

1134
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: And the remainder of this theory is really loose. I

1135
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: think it's the best way to say it. Nothing explains

1136
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: how Richie found out about the New World Order, what

1137
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: the real threat was. How did they actually take him out?

1138
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: Did they like throw him off the bridge or shove

1139
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: him off the bridge, or did they throw him in

1140
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: some deep dark hole somewhere and his car for him,

1141
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: like they planted the car. They didn't throw him off

1142
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: the bridge, kidding, No, don't get your hands dirty that way.

1143
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: Wet work is below them. You know. They tortured him first,

1144
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: try to get to find out what they knew. Probably,

1145
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: But this this is a very cookie theory. And I

1146
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: was re really really surprised to find it out there

1147
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: that reading and interpreting lyrics can lead you to wherever

1148
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: you want to go. What is that website that is

1149
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: out there, Devon, You may remember the name of it.

1150
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: There's a website out there where people review the lyrics

1151
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: of songs and then give the interpretations of what they

1152
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: say those mean. Does this ring a bell to you? Okay,

1153
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: there was this. I've actually gone to this website because

1154
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: there's songs like I don't understand what what the point is?

1155
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: What are they trying to say? Like I hear the words,

1156
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: I don't get the meaning. It's fun. It also doesn't

1157
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: work because you get seven hundred different interpretations of what

1158
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: that actually means. I mean, that song is just a

1159
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: criticism of the kind of weird corporate American lifestyle it see,

1160
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: and the other the other person said that it is

1161
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: a celebration of wholesome white America and it's what we

1162
01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:00,439
Speaker 1: should strive to No, I'm kidding, but it just said

1163
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: it's super easy. I mean, like all you have to

1164
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 1: do is like kind of look at the lyrics and

1165
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: he's just like it's big Mac and it's politics of

1166
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: the time, and I mean, yeah, it's it's very just

1167
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: joining it is, yeah, because he's not trying to say

1168
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: something right, because that's what I'm like, I don't think

1169
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: that this actually does what this theory says. It's the post,

1170
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: but you gotta understand, I mean I see this in

1171
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: our politics all the time, and I hear people saying

1172
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: stuff that makes utterly no sense to me, but I

1173
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: know it makes sense to them. It's just said, well,

1174
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: they live in a different world than I do, which

1175
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: again is like fine, but off of one song, you're

1176
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: going to kill a man because he knows too much.

1177
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: He said other stuff too about the New World But

1178
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: the fascinating thing about the New World Order is it's

1179
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: more than any other any other conspiracy theory. It's kind

1180
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: of a roar shock blood conspiracy theory. It, I mean,

1181
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: at least the lizard people they yeah, but the New

1182
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: World Order. But which basically, by the way, new World

1183
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: Order was a throwaway phrase in a George H. W.

1184
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: Bush speech that he gave, like, you know, right after

1185
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: the collapse of the Soviet Union. It wasn't that, Senior,

1186
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: not junior? Yeah, Senior, Yeah, George Bush, senior Bush. And

1187
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: it's amazing after after hearing him say that so many

1188
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: years ago, how many people ran with that. People, people

1189
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: of all stripes too, you know, interpreted all kinds of

1190
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: different ways, every one of them. Sinister. Well, here's these

1191
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: Here's what I know about the New World Order is

1192
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: that I don't think they killed him, because we did

1193
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: discover the truth about the Denver International Airport and we

1194
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: are still alive. Well, somebody is still doing the podcast.

1195
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: I hate to admit this right now to both of

1196
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: you because I'm actually in the higher program than the

1197
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: pair of you. But we are all a eyes and

1198
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: we are all pre programmed, and they have just emulated

1199
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: our voices pretty much. Yeah, which is why this podcast

1200
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: will go on indefinitely. So and by the way, and

1201
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: by the way, up yours, you're the subroutine, not me,

1202
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: I just the observer server. All right. Well, well that's

1203
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: all I've got for Richie. Ever, do you guys have

1204
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: any other bits or bubbles on the start? I'm still

1205
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: saying if I were, I'm not going to close it

1206
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: until somebody has gone to Hurraar, Ethiopia and and how

1207
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: to look see it. I see if Richie living there.

1208
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: I deeply believe he's somewhere tropical and living his life,

1209
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: his best life. Happy. Okay, he's a tortoise farmer. Okay,

1210
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: doak Well, none of the white van that is observing

1211
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: us has left. We're going to give people the important

1212
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: information because they can't hear it. First off, you probably

1213
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: want to know where to find any details the research

1214
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: bits about the episode, because we always put up some

1215
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: of our research that will all be along with this

1216
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: episode and all pasted in future episodes on our website.

1217
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Speaker 1: The website is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. On the

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01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,560
Speaker 1: right hand side of our website, you're also going to

1219
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: see links to merchandise. We've got red Bubble and Zazzle

1220
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: for sure, words and coffee mugs and all kinds of

1221
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: fun stuff. That's all there. By the way, We've got

1222
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Speaker 1: a more it's not totally new, but we gotta put

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01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: out a new shirt design recently. Yes, yes, we did

1224
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: the word design. Yeah, we got the word now. But

1225
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty really popular. Yeah, people are liking it.

1226
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: We are going to be totally accessible on social media,

1227
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 1: so we were on Facebook with the Facebook page and

1228
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: the Facebook group. We are on Twitter at Thinking Sideways

1229
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: without the G in the middle Twitter's character limit. We

1230
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: have a subreddit as well, and if you want to

1231
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: get a hold of us directly, we have the email address,

1232
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: so you can send us an email at Thinking Sideways

1233
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: Podcast at gmail dot com. Episode suggestions, questions, praise, you know,

1234
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 1: whatever you want, like send it through to us criticism

1235
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: that okay, and then maybe not. Yeah, well you can

1236
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: find us the mode criticism put attention devon again. That's

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01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: subscription just about anywhere. So of course a lot of

1239
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: people use iTunes or Stitcher or any other place that

1240
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: you find good podcasts or quality podcasts. That we're going

1241
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: to be there, fine podcast. She likes the word fine.

1242
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't like the word fine because everything is fine, fine,

1243
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 1: like a fine wine. I'm not fine, it's fine, okay,

1244
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: got it all right, So we are aged at this point,

1245
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: we get well aged. Yes, I okay, Well that is

1246
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 1: all that we have got ladies in German. So we're

1247
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 1: going to go ahead and close this one up and

1248
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: we will talk to you next week. And I staring

1249
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: at each other scene who's going to go first? Go ahead? Okay?

1250
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: Now I drumroll please, Yeah, I say, go to the

1251
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 1: ends of the earth. You'll find Ritchie. Yeah. Here's to

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01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: another two episodes that to rock on dudes,