Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, Yeah, you go took the words right
Speaker 1: out of my mouth. Back at it again. Hello, holidays
Speaker 1: done fantastic. Yeah, a good time. How about yours? Good busy?
Speaker 1: But I'm very it's almost you're running around so much
Speaker 1: during the holidays sometimes you feel like COMMUNI vacation after
Speaker 1: the holidays. I completely agree. All for good reasons, All
Speaker 1: for good reasons. I don't know how it's possible that
Speaker 1: there is pet hair on my microphone, rajah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Something really cool. I was at a convention last weekend
Speaker 1: for um it was a supernatural convention, but for you know,
Speaker 1: the Walker Connected verse, and so many people were coming
Speaker 1: up to me and talk to me about this podcast
Speaker 1: and how much they love it, and and people who
Speaker 1: hadn't seen Shadow Hunters were like, oh, hey, cool, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go listen to the podcast and watch the show.
Speaker 1: And people were talking amongst themselves about it instead of
Speaker 1: asking me questions about it. And it's so cool because
Speaker 1: this is really taken on a life of its own now,
Speaker 1: and so kudos to you and are incredible producers and
Speaker 1: team for for making this such a great one. That's great,
Speaker 1: that's great to hear him. We're Looking into Today, Episode eight,
Speaker 1: Season two, Love Is a Devil. Air date was February seventeen,
Speaker 1: written by White Sharene Razak, directed by Katriona mackenzie, starring
Speaker 1: Kathery mcmare, Dominic Showed, Albert Zende, Matthew m R. B
Speaker 1: Isaiam and Staffa and Harry Sham Jr. Guest starring Adam
Speaker 1: Vans Brangerlee, Wayne Right, Ariana Williams, David Castro, Nicola Corrales, Mandolin.
Speaker 1: That's not her name, she knows that. Jack Holton, Stephanie Belding,
Speaker 1: Erica Deutschman, Sure don't there you go? And Raymond and
Speaker 1: Black very good. What's going to remember this episode? So
Speaker 1: I sort of remember this episode. I reread the log
Speaker 1: line and then I was like, tensions run high. Max's
Speaker 1: ruin ceremony brings everyone's fears to the forefront. Task With
Speaker 1: arranging his brother Max's ruin ceremony, Alec decided this would
Speaker 1: be the perfect opportunity for his family to get to
Speaker 1: know Madness. But with tensions flying among the different shadow hunters,
Speaker 1: Max's big event quickly becomes an evening where they all
Speaker 1: must face their biggest fears. Meanwhile, Simon makes a bold
Speaker 1: move as Isabelle finds an unlikely new ally who this episode, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this episode, This is one of those episodes which we'll
Speaker 1: talk about later where they're all they're they're fun episodes,
Speaker 1: but simultaneously they're always chaos because you have so many
Speaker 1: cast members in everyone and uh, this one was in
Speaker 1: a particularly small space, but I made it bigger for
Speaker 1: season two. Honestly, Like, imagine filming it in season one,
Speaker 1: Magnus's apartment would have been a nightmare, Like at least
Speaker 1: this one happened more than one room. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: will say some of my favorite memories and some of
Speaker 1: our silliest moments come from this episode as well. So
Speaker 1: not without fun, not without fun. Yeah, but we start
Speaker 1: on a slightly darker note in the alleyway with Emerald.
Speaker 1: Emerald Isabelle trying to get her latest fix because she's
Speaker 1: still addicted to the infin for a while. I've said
Speaker 1: this before and I'll say it again. This is hands
Speaker 1: down my favorite performance of Emeralds. Like, she does such
Speaker 1: a good job in all of this. Yeah, this whole
Speaker 1: like section and she's great, you know throughout, but this
Speaker 1: whole section here is is fantastic, absolutely well and There's
Speaker 1: a lot that goes on. There's so much drama happening
Speaker 1: with the in Fin and then the Magnus and a
Speaker 1: relationship is starting to move forward. But also the Clary
Speaker 1: j Simon love triangle takes an interesting turn in this
Speaker 1: episode as well. So we um, there's much to be discussed,
Speaker 1: much to be discussed, and lots of cats, many many
Speaker 1: fucking cats. Man. Honestly, like Roger, I think was this
Speaker 1: pretty getting Raja or post getting Rajer? I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I'm remember this little sucking ginger cat that just wouldn't
Speaker 1: bathe and I had like treats stuff in the no
Speaker 1: not you know, an actual cat like feline. U. They
Speaker 1: just wouldn't bete and I had like treats stuffed in
Speaker 1: the cushions and it wouldn't do as it's told. And
Speaker 1: they were like, let's bring out a different cat. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think that's gonna It was a nightmare. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it was a nightmare. Um yeah, but very cute all
Speaker 1: the same. Absolutely. Oh that's who Eloise is. So this
Speaker 1: episode starts with Isabelle in Vampire Alley as it were,
Speaker 1: I don't know where it is. It's an alley behind
Speaker 1: the door or somewhere some defarious place where she trying
Speaker 1: to find you in fen and who comes to rescue
Speaker 1: her and sweep her off her feet, but the ever
Speaker 1: suave David Castro, Yeah, no kidding, but then does bite her. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But Ralphael became one of my favorite characters, and so
Speaker 1: much of it had to do with the heart that
Speaker 1: David put behind it. But you know, he's a character
Speaker 1: that could have so easily been painted one dimensionally, and
Speaker 1: yet between what the writers did and the way that
Speaker 1: David took so much care with it, he brought it
Speaker 1: to life in a way that made this really sort
Speaker 1: of darkly conflicted person who who just wanted to do
Speaker 1: the right thing but was never, if ever given the
Speaker 1: opportunity to rarely have ever given the opportunity to do so.
Speaker 1: And it's such an interesting thing in our world. Have
Speaker 1: a vampire who's started as a villain, who's trying to
Speaker 1: be a hero but doesn't have a chance to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree Again, David's performances throughout this they
Speaker 1: do such a fantastic job in bringing us into it.
Speaker 1: Like you said, a character that could be very easily
Speaker 1: disliked um, this next scene is fun. You remember Isaiah
Speaker 1: was trying to take the doors off the hinges. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: wait did you Oh they cut just before because I
Speaker 1: remember also for those who don't know, in the books,
Speaker 1: Jas is scared of ducks. They got around it, and
Speaker 1: they cut around it. There's there's a bunch of cooked
Speaker 1: ducks hanging in the Jade Wolf and you so subtly
Speaker 1: but pointedly jumped every time you saw them. I wonder
Speaker 1: if I wonder if the editors were sitting there in
Speaker 1: the booth going what is Tom doing? Did he like
Speaker 1: like you didn't get the reference? Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: I still have that jacket though, interestingly, you know, I
Speaker 1: remember being upset that they cut it out because it
Speaker 1: was I have that jacket. It was a nice little
Speaker 1: like not buddy, I know, but I'm working. Oh we
Speaker 1: got a new chair here, which is very exciting. It's
Speaker 1: a very comfortable recliner. But Dan has very much claimed
Speaker 1: it as his own. And this is the first time
Speaker 1: we're doing the podcast since having had this chair, and
Speaker 1: he's he's feeling a tad neady. I might have to
Speaker 1: do this sideways because he's special guest Dan Hi bub
Speaker 1: So Valentine has clear this, yes, and we're not by
Speaker 1: her own doing because she was a freaking circle member
Speaker 1: who knew right right, I mean everyone for hundreds of years,
Speaker 1: well except for us, because the adults don't tell us
Speaker 1: anything because that would be too simple. M hm oh.
Speaker 1: And this is right after we've seen it thur real
Speaker 1: and he showed us the vision of the future with
Speaker 1: the sword and everything correct and burnt face man and
Speaker 1: burned face. I don't we see a demon, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it's burnt lasagn you guy. Yet it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It's not so many cruel nicknames for that guy, considering
Speaker 1: how long they had to stay in here and makeup for.
Speaker 1: But that's a conversation for a later episode. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And then cut to Alec, who is actually doing his
Speaker 1: job and investigating and saying there's an angel he's trying
Speaker 1: to figure it's out, and a little sibling discussion, what
Speaker 1: are they actually blad blady, Bladi blad Get to the
Speaker 1: good stuff, guys. Honestly, all of this dialogue we want
Speaker 1: to throw Max and ruined ceremony because he doesn't have
Speaker 1: his runs yet. Jack is so baby, he is God.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when he came back and he'd scared
Speaker 1: the ship out of me. Actually, like we're in the
Speaker 1: makeup trailer and he's heard this voice that was like
Speaker 1: deeper than mind, like like who the fund is that?
Speaker 1: I turned around. It's like six ft tall Jack, And
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know how we're gonna make
Speaker 1: this work because it's been like two weeks. But there
Speaker 1: you go, look at him, sure, teeny little thing are
Speaker 1: you trying to get by? Is that the issue? He
Speaker 1: is nudging me with his head? Such cute not look
Speaker 1: how handsome Matters had a boy? That a boy. I
Speaker 1: think this is finally two when we all started to
Speaker 1: to settle into our character. Looks like you look at
Speaker 1: everybody and you know, I mean, obviously they're doing things
Speaker 1: with Isabelle right now as well, given her circumstance. But
Speaker 1: Matt's hair is finally the way that it always was,
Speaker 1: and and Nicola's wardrobe and hair, everything's kind of getting
Speaker 1: to be more cohesive and falling into a nice rhythm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sort of stopped changing from this point out. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so for the most part. For the most part. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: then we introduced Luke and needs his hair comes back
Speaker 1: and forth all the time. It's nuts. Although we'll say
Speaker 1: the number of you can definitely tell this that our
Speaker 1: show started shooting because the number of choker necklaces that
Speaker 1: Emad and I were throughout the series that just are
Speaker 1: not a thing anymore. I didn't know there. If I'm honest,
Speaker 1: I thought that was a very early two thousands deal,
Speaker 1: like sort of stopped happening in two thousand five. But
Speaker 1: did I've never worn one? So who am I to judge?
Speaker 1: Fashion is subjective and somewhat circular. No, like stuff that
Speaker 1: was in the fifties is now very fashionable. Actually have
Speaker 1: a suit from a Hugo Boss event upstairs, It was
Speaker 1: like dropped straight out of the fifties. Is awesome. That's amazing. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Magnus and Aleck have a conversation where it's it's
Speaker 1: so great again. Malick is the healthiest relationship on our show.
Speaker 1: Alec has an opportunity and he goes, you know what,
Speaker 1: I've got a family event. I'm going to bring my
Speaker 1: partner into it, and I'm gonna I'm gonna try and
Speaker 1: make him part of the family, even if it's difficult,
Speaker 1: but because I know he can pull it off. And
Speaker 1: I know he can, you know, do it better than
Speaker 1: I can. And it's a it's well, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're going to ask someone to throw a party, I
Speaker 1: would not ask Alec. I'm just saying, oh, not Matt,
Speaker 1: not true party, Mat can throw a party. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: Now we've got Valentine talkeet irist little Madzie. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: this park. I don't remember this park. I'm not in
Speaker 1: this scene. I don't know if you've noticed, Allen and
Speaker 1: I look very similar. But that's not that's not me.
Speaker 1: Just so you're for you and that's not me either.
Speaker 1: But no, I knew that because I pay attention to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we come back to this park next episode, if you
Speaker 1: if you recall, oh is this one we had to
Speaker 1: take the jacket with the with this whole next episode? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I because there's stuff that happens with this this
Speaker 1: warlock lady here that comes back to bite me literally
Speaker 1: that bitch. Oh fuck, yeah I remember? Um oh now yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm all caught up. I'm all caught up. You know,
Speaker 1: for a dad, Valentine really uses children as manipulation quite
Speaker 1: a lot. Tools Yeah, but then that sort of prefaces
Speaker 1: the whole conversation of it is that why he had
Speaker 1: kids in the first place, was to which was his intention, right,
Speaker 1: was to develop two warriors of either side of a coin.
Speaker 1: That's what he wanted. Didn't want children, he wasn't paternal.
Speaker 1: He wanted soldiers. Yeah, bonus and then he got you know, bonus,
Speaker 1: jase in you Okay this scene, So now we have
Speaker 1: um clary and Simon on a beautiful New York vista
Speaker 1: that some might recognize having a conversation. This scene is
Speaker 1: not the first time we had shot this scene, so
Speaker 1: Alberta and I shot this scene on a green screen
Speaker 1: first because we were still experimenting with the sixty degree
Speaker 1: green and blue screen and they were figuring out how
Speaker 1: they were going to drop in these plates of New York. So,
Speaker 1: as we'll come to see, this is kind of a
Speaker 1: very important scene for this whole arc of the entire show.
Speaker 1: You can tell it's important when when Simon's involved, because
Speaker 1: it starts with a sort of fairly self deprecating soliloquy
Speaker 1: just to himself. He's always very sha experienced this one,
Speaker 1: but we had to completely and we were so happy
Speaker 1: with it. They really took the time and let us
Speaker 1: play and surprise each other and try a bunch of
Speaker 1: things and and we were so happy, and then we
Speaker 1: had to completely reshoot it. They described the scene entirely
Speaker 1: because there was some issue with the VFX and we
Speaker 1: had to completely reshoot it. But it was one of
Speaker 1: those things. And I've Albert and I had a lot
Speaker 1: of conversations about this after the fact, but because we'd
Speaker 1: done it and then had time, there have been things
Speaker 1: that have been marinating kind of in both of our heads.
Speaker 1: So when we come back to it, there were actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: there were more layers to the scene. You can tell
Speaker 1: you're outside in this one. You know what it is,
Speaker 1: you're the tip of your nose and your cheeks go Rosie.
Speaker 1: It's it's a very attractive look, but like it's for me.
Speaker 1: I'm aware of the difference between this she's inside, she's outside,
Speaker 1: and Alberto's eyes water a little. My ears go, which
Speaker 1: is really bad. My ears go right. Thing, So if
Speaker 1: you like, next time you're watching the show, like if
Speaker 1: we if we asked the question again, you know, was
Speaker 1: that on a set or not, You'll be able to
Speaker 1: tell because my ears like fucking traffic light. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: this was still on a screen. But it was much later,
Speaker 1: so it was it was still inside a bit colder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was still inside because we happually do it on
Speaker 1: blue instead of green for like the greener or something.
Speaker 1: And that Hastings actually directed this on FaceTime. Well he
Speaker 1: while his wife was having a baby, right, I remember
Speaker 1: that whole day. I wonder. It's so interesting. So for
Speaker 1: those who don't know, normally the process is green. It's
Speaker 1: a very sort of bright green. It's a bit like
Speaker 1: the background of your text bubble on your iPhone. It's
Speaker 1: that sort of color green, that sort of green screen
Speaker 1: looks like. And it's because it's one of the least
Speaker 1: used colors in TV. It's very rare that you'll match
Speaker 1: those colors because if you have that color, let's say,
Speaker 1: in your costume or whatever, then that will also be
Speaker 1: edited out by the camera, so it will look like
Speaker 1: just empty space when it's on the screen, and in
Speaker 1: the blue screen is the opposite. If you do have
Speaker 1: those colors in, then the blue is also not used
Speaker 1: as often they put the blue screen in. It actually
Speaker 1: used to be blue screen predominantly back in the day,
Speaker 1: like ten fifteen years ago. It was almost exclusively blue green,
Speaker 1: and then you know, people started wearing bluemore. I guess Saturday.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting that you have to come back and
Speaker 1: do it on a blue screen. I wonder why, because
Speaker 1: you're not wearing green, but he is wearing blue. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it had something to do with bushes that
Speaker 1: they had put some bushes and they were they couldn't
Speaker 1: they were, they were flaring on the thing. There you go,
Speaker 1: There you go, little mind, nute VFX lesson for you.
Speaker 1: That's basically all I know about it is just that.
Speaker 1: But once again, it's one of those scenes that this
Speaker 1: is the beauty of getting to do a show for
Speaker 1: so many years is these characters live a life of
Speaker 1: their own and they have so many experiences that the
Speaker 1: relationships evolved so much, and you evolve in your working
Speaker 1: relationship with people that you get to work with over
Speaker 1: and over again. So when you and and of course
Speaker 1: you know when you you're opposite Alberto, it's just absolutely
Speaker 1: and it's so satisfying. It's like the scene at Lake
Speaker 1: Lynn or you know, when you watch Harry and Matt
Speaker 1: doo a scene you can tell that there's that kind
Speaker 1: of history there. Yeah, he developed a report. You know,
Speaker 1: there's what are we on now? We're on episode eight
Speaker 1: of season two, So we've been doing this for two
Speaker 1: years because we took that six month break where we
Speaker 1: saw each other pretty much constantly, all of us because
Speaker 1: we were doing press for the show. Um So season
Speaker 1: one took about six months, and then season two took
Speaker 1: eleven months, and season three took eleven months. But between
Speaker 1: these two, like where we're at, it was, we would
Speaker 1: have been working together foremost a year. Indeed, and ship
Speaker 1: did you guys just make out what they see? We've
Speaker 1: only been brother and sister for like two episodes or
Speaker 1: four or nine episodes or whatever it is, but that's
Speaker 1: like four days in shadow on time. Simon, you back
Speaker 1: up now, he made a move. It was nice. If
Speaker 1: you're standing on a beautiful a beautiful dark and on
Speaker 1: Burdo makes a beautiful speech at you. Are you not
Speaker 1: going to kiss him? I would kiss him for less
Speaker 1: than that. If I'm honest, I would kiss him, like
Speaker 1: if he gives me the opportunity, it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: That's the real truth that I know. I love that guy. Sorry, Tessa,
Speaker 1: you're listening. I apologize, I promise I will restrain. It's true.
Speaker 1: That's true. Oh that's right. This is when Nicola, when
Speaker 1: Marris was running the institute. Yeah, oh that's right. Wait
Speaker 1: where did all the tree go? He's busy with the
Speaker 1: infan business. I think code TV code for Nick got
Speaker 1: another job and had to go and do that for
Speaker 1: a little bit. That's funny. They do enough guest stars
Speaker 1: this episode. They you can go do something else. Yet
Speaker 1: he undresent books another job and had to go and
Speaker 1: do it. This is the thing. So there are two
Speaker 1: different versions of roles, or three different versions of roles
Speaker 1: within a within a show or a movie. That's um,
Speaker 1: a series regular, Cat myself, Alberto, Matt, those guys series
Speaker 1: regular sort of your core, your core sort of characters.
Speaker 1: And then you have guest stars who come in like Mariss,
Speaker 1: who very important to the story and will come in
Speaker 1: and then and then you know, do their things. They
Speaker 1: always have arcs and linked into the story in some way.
Speaker 1: And then what's it called when someone comes in and
Speaker 1: just does like an episode occurring? Yeah, well there's recurring recurring.
Speaker 1: That's where recurring guest star. Um, I'm gonna go back
Speaker 1: just a little bit. The timing is gonna be wrong,
Speaker 1: but we're in a conversation with with Alec and Maris
Speaker 1: in the head of the institute's office. And I think
Speaker 1: someone walks past a light behind the window. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: there's a big old shadow that walks through the stained
Speaker 1: glass window. And we know that the light isn't coming
Speaker 1: from inside the room, it's coming from outside that window.
Speaker 1: I think someone goes by it. It's right as she's so,
Speaker 1: he says, let's see here. She's about to cry. She's upset.
Speaker 1: She says, you're right. He says, oh no. She says,
Speaker 1: of course we'll be there. Thank you for going through
Speaker 1: all this trouble for us. And then she sits down
Speaker 1: and right, it's matt shadow. There's no light coming from
Speaker 1: inside the room. There shouldn't be any light coming from
Speaker 1: inside the room, not strong enough light. Oh it does
Speaker 1: look like it moves with her. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows.
Speaker 1: It's possible it's ghosts. I'm amazed that that studio wasn't haunted, honestly,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. Though There's some weird ship happened every now
Speaker 1: and then. But like, yeah, I mean, do you remember
Speaker 1: when wardrobe was in kind of the front of the office,
Speaker 1: sort of right when you came in and they were
Speaker 1: they were positive there was a ghost. There was a
Speaker 1: woman like a woman, right, yeah, yeah, I do remember
Speaker 1: exactly as I think. I don't think we were alone there.
Speaker 1: I just I love of the way Matt can just
Speaker 1: mic drop online before he leaves a scene as well
Speaker 1: and over and he just goes, thank Magnus and then leaves.
Speaker 1: And a boy, some real prowess there. Oh, here are
Speaker 1: the cats. I forgot Jason's living at magnus Is right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm still living at Magnus's. Yeah, this is They cut
Speaker 1: it out, no fucking way. This was one of my
Speaker 1: favorite they cut so they cut out. And we talked
Speaker 1: about this with Harry when we had him on the
Speaker 1: show briefly. These little, these little like idiosyncrasies that make
Speaker 1: him so genius and make him able to take on
Speaker 1: a character as poignant as Magnus. He that little room,
Speaker 1: do you remember We're on the rooftop and the rooftops
Speaker 1: are set and then that little room, the sort of
Speaker 1: stairwell was about four ft wide and we all had
Speaker 1: to cram into it, and it looks like it goes downstairs,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't go anywhere. It's just it's like a
Speaker 1: shed and he leans his head out before the scene goes,
Speaker 1: and he goes, hey, is it is it nighttime or daytime?
Speaker 1: And they go it's daytime. It's like in the morning.
Speaker 1: He goes, okay, great, and he shuts the door, and
Speaker 1: then as he opens the door, he just for half
Speaker 1: half a second shields his eyes from the light, like
Speaker 1: he hasn't seen the light yet. Today. I was like,
Speaker 1: a fucking brilliant, like absolutely fucking brilliant. What a clever
Speaker 1: thing to do that makes total sense. Um, and they
Speaker 1: cut it out of the show. I'm a shame. I
Speaker 1: love Harry so much. It seems a wasted opportunity. But yeah,
Speaker 1: these are these moments that you get to have with
Speaker 1: actors like Alberto and Harry. I mean everyone really, but
Speaker 1: Alberto and Harry, in my opinion, have the most examples
Speaker 1: of these moments where they really connected with these characters
Speaker 1: on such a small level, where it makes such a
Speaker 1: huge difference performance wise that I always thought that was
Speaker 1: very special. Absolutely, I forgot what happened in this scene.
Speaker 1: I remember you guys are talking about the paramedic connection
Speaker 1: and how much Jason knows about conversation with the showrunners
Speaker 1: and talking about like how much do I feel? Like?
Speaker 1: How much of this am I aware of? Like? Do
Speaker 1: I know? Is that what I know? No? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no, I said, I don't know. It was
Speaker 1: one of those questions that was never I think it
Speaker 1: was sort of don't ask, we won't tell, and don't
Speaker 1: worry about it. Don't pull the thread, got it. That's
Speaker 1: the funny thing with so many of these supernatural kind
Speaker 1: of mythologies. It's you get to a point and you
Speaker 1: just go, you know what, there's too many questions, too
Speaker 1: many questions, the baseline stuff. Yeah, if he's in pain,
Speaker 1: I feel it. Maybe if it's pleasure, I don't feel it.
Speaker 1: Let's just stick with that, yeah, because that would be
Speaker 1: fucking weird. Also, he runs in on me having sex.
Speaker 1: It's like two episodes ago, he runs in on me
Speaker 1: having sex. So if that was the case, wouldn't never
Speaker 1: be aware? You could at least knock. But would he
Speaker 1: care at that point? I don't know. Probably not, Probably not.
Speaker 1: If there's If there's, if it's Alec and there's a
Speaker 1: job to be done, he's going to plow in. Oh
Speaker 1: look how handsome he looks. You both look great. You
Speaker 1: like semi matching as well. That's fucking cute. That's cute
Speaker 1: as hell. You like color scheme together, cute couple of stuff. This.
Speaker 1: So this is one of those scenes where it can
Speaker 1: be very as we mentioned earlier, it can be very
Speaker 1: fun and very silly making, but also, let's let's say
Speaker 1: stressful for the quote unquote grown ups on set, because
Speaker 1: you have you know, I think we had fifty or
Speaker 1: a hundred essays and probably twenty cast in a very
Speaker 1: small space and not a lot of time to do it.
Speaker 1: And we spent I think two or three full days
Speaker 1: getting all of these little pieces and moments and connective tissues,
Speaker 1: and you know, with with the magic that's happening here,
Speaker 1: it's all about different perceptions of reality and different warped realities,
Speaker 1: and so just keeping track of the little pieces of
Speaker 1: whose perspective are we in? Am I in my perspective
Speaker 1: or someone else's because that changes how you behave towards
Speaker 1: other people in the scenes, even if you're in the
Speaker 1: deep background. And it it took a lot of effort
Speaker 1: on everyone's part to stay on the same page. And
Speaker 1: it was which which when we get to another scene later,
Speaker 1: is what led to the delirium. But it was definitely
Speaker 1: work was It was tricky honestly, So this is even
Speaker 1: this is like pre the chaos really starting to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it is a realized sculpture. They realized sculpture. So
Speaker 1: we're on the clock as well. Fucking melting, melting, did
Speaker 1: you see it? What a mental thing to put in
Speaker 1: the show. Looks fantastic mental idea. How much harder would
Speaker 1: it have been? I guess it must have been much
Speaker 1: more expensive to make, like a silicon one? Probably? Oh
Speaker 1: is that? Do we see some sparks flying between Jason
Speaker 1: Maya just for a second bit of reconciliation, little reconciliation,
Speaker 1: maybe a few very brief sparks. I don't think that
Speaker 1: happens for quite some time, And it only happens for
Speaker 1: the briefest of moments. I think it might be sooner
Speaker 1: than you think. Really, is that true? I think so? Well?
Speaker 1: This is okay, this scene in particular with the three
Speaker 1: of us with you mean Alberto. I remember for some
Speaker 1: reason we couldn't be my fault. It was my fault. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thet it was the first taken. It's in the it's
Speaker 1: in the gag reel. If you are the blopers if
Speaker 1: you look it up. The first take. I just wasn't
Speaker 1: expecting his response, and he's such fucking genius with his
Speaker 1: with his comedy. He I came in and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we're all a little piste off about the situation.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to do it, but I'm gonna come and
Speaker 1: say hi. And he goes he liked the fonds. He
Speaker 1: went like a and I was like, oh no, that's
Speaker 1: really fucking funny. And it made me laugh and once
Speaker 1: and then you know, as we've talked about a thousand
Speaker 1: times now, once one person's gone, it's really difficult to
Speaker 1: get It's actually a little easier I think, one on one,
Speaker 1: because then you get it together, then you're good. But
Speaker 1: with three of you, it's thirty three point three times
Speaker 1: infinite percent that someone's going to give you something that
Speaker 1: got that sets you off and you're already sort of
Speaker 1: on that knife page. But they cut it together, it
Speaker 1: looks looks solid, does look like we're laughing, and it's
Speaker 1: this is one of those episodes to where I'm just
Speaker 1: watching kind of the all the dynamics, everybody's insecurities get
Speaker 1: just a little picked up, just get a little peaked.
Speaker 1: Everything is just slightly heightened, even relationship. Yeah, Magnus is
Speaker 1: insecurities all, like two and a half of them are
Speaker 1: because what does he have to be insecure about? That's
Speaker 1: not true. He's got a bunch of things to be
Speaker 1: and panadas apparently he's just adorably fussing over and panadas
Speaker 1: and it's fantastic. Well, this is That's all an insecurity
Speaker 1: to do with Alec though, isn't it like he knows
Speaker 1: the empanadas are perfect, it's not as cooking, It's true.
Speaker 1: Look at Nicola, she is a flippant vision. I was
Speaker 1: going to say vision too, like one mine? See that? Okay,
Speaker 1: So the question here is like when did when did
Speaker 1: the hallucinations start? Like at what point did Iris was
Speaker 1: Iris at Iris? What time did what? At what point
Speaker 1: did Iris start doing stuff? Because you just saw your
Speaker 1: first one, like right after that scene with Marris and
Speaker 1: Aleca Magnus. That's weird. I didn't feel right saying Aleca
Speaker 1: Magnus in that order didn't feel correct. Magnus analc Magnus
Speaker 1: anallek is the correct way to say it, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: like would you ever say jelly and peanut butter, No,
Speaker 1: I don't feel right. That didn't feel right. That was strange.
Speaker 1: I don't know why it came out that way. Um,
Speaker 1: there you go. But so these that anyway. That was
Speaker 1: the question is like, how how far back of these
Speaker 1: hallucinations started happening? Is it as soon as people start
Speaker 1: walking in? Is that why people are already starting to
Speaker 1: feel insecure in situations where maybe they wouldn't. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know, we don't know. But we just saw Simon
Speaker 1: making out with mya. Yeah. Well, and if I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: it has to do with the proximity of the cats
Speaker 1: in the apartment, and so I think it's isolated to
Speaker 1: Magnus's penthouse. M I see, Oh that's right, I remember now,
Speaker 1: person McGonagall ship, got it? Mm hmm. But they did kiss? Well,
Speaker 1: that was just in your head. No, they were outside
Speaker 1: having an intimate conversation. But the warped reality that's clearing
Speaker 1: a vision of them kissing, got it. They were just
Speaker 1: outside having a drink. From my understanding, Hollywood, tear cat
Speaker 1: love that love a solid left hand, left eye to camera,
Speaker 1: great fucking great work. Can you pick can you pick
Speaker 1: your eye? Nah? It's luck of the drawer. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: And it's and very often it comes out the wrong
Speaker 1: time as well, especially in auditions, where I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: they've said it in the script, this tear needs to
Speaker 1: happen at this fucking moment, And then I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm already crying. Doesn't make sense, like I'm crying three
Speaker 1: minutes before I need to be crying anysoever. It easier
Speaker 1: because you can cut in and out of it and
Speaker 1: makes sense, but when you're doing an audition it's really
Speaker 1: hard sometimes. But have you ever been in that moment
Speaker 1: where they're doing like a pickup or you're about to
Speaker 1: start the scene and you get just right in the
Speaker 1: emotional place and they're like, oh, wait, hang on, we
Speaker 1: gotta then we gotta fix it, and you're just like,
Speaker 1: it's always flipping the lens. It's always flipping the lens.
Speaker 1: I'm like, And then you're sort of looking up like
Speaker 1: I'm holding this tear in the chamber like it's right there.
Speaker 1: If it comes out, I don't know when we're going
Speaker 1: to get this again. So like and someone comes up
Speaker 1: and they're like, do you want to think? Do you
Speaker 1: want to water? I'm like, no, just hurry them up.
Speaker 1: Why are you standing like that? Because I have a
Speaker 1: fucking tear in my eye and I don't want to
Speaker 1: waste it. Like I was just really upset and now
Speaker 1: you're now we're in a different spot. Yeah, Like I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to hold this trauma right here, right here,
Speaker 1: in a shitty place right now. Yeah, fucking know what
Speaker 1: a nightmare? There you go? What do time? What do
Speaker 1: we do? Love it? I've known two actresses. Never I've
Speaker 1: never known an actor who a male actor's guests. Everyone's
Speaker 1: an actor, but it's it makes sense for the story
Speaker 1: to say actress because it was two women. I've known
Speaker 1: two women who can choose their eye. Wow, they can
Speaker 1: pick their eye to tear out of which I thought
Speaker 1: was pretty incredible. I think it might be like rolling
Speaker 1: your tongue, and I think it might be like an
Speaker 1: actual like a skill that some people possess that some
Speaker 1: people don't possess, to be able to send tears to
Speaker 1: just one tear duct. I am not. I'm not that
Speaker 1: dexterous with my tear ducts. Me neither. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But leave it to Magnus to be the voice of
Speaker 1: reason and go with Clari have youssed, Simon, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Have you been drinking? Yes? Yes, unfortunately that's not the
Speaker 1: problem here. Yeah, what is Issy doing? Did she leave
Speaker 1: the party or she on her way to the party.
Speaker 1: You don't look good either way. She looks like she's
Speaker 1: been doing drugs. So she looks like, oh dear, oh dear.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a great dress. I think she
Speaker 1: is asking for more. Yeah, right, yeah, I think she's
Speaker 1: on her way. I think she's on her way to
Speaker 1: the party. And oh yeah, why did you call me here?
Speaker 1: So she calls Raphael on the way. Yeah, which, don't
Speaker 1: do it, Raphael, Nah, But he loves her, so he
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. If you love someone, you don't give them
Speaker 1: the drug that they're struggling with. When you've seen train spotting,
Speaker 1: you lock him in a room and they see weird
Speaker 1: babies on the roof for two days and then they
Speaker 1: feel better all of a sudden, and then it's all better,
Speaker 1: and then everything is better. We'll get to the point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how that goes, right. She actually does this. He
Speaker 1: does try and resist as much as is vampirely possible,
Speaker 1: but she does this. There she makes him taste her
Speaker 1: blood again. It's Raphael trying to be a hero and
Speaker 1: just his addiction took the better of him, got the
Speaker 1: better of him. Ah, he's in the box, watching the box.
Speaker 1: It's too big. The box is too big for a Stelle,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Maybe it is a Stella. I think Jack
Speaker 1: is just little. That's what's possible, just a little lad.
Speaker 1: Oh that is a little book moment though. We get
Speaker 1: to see Magnus's eyes flash. There's surely not the first
Speaker 1: time we get to see his cat eyes, is it. No? No, no,
Speaker 1: we've seen it several times, but right, yeah, we literally
Speaker 1: see it in episode one. It's all coming back to
Speaker 1: me now, it's all coming back to me. Was such
Speaker 1: a long time ago? Oh, Jason, isn't my brother? Oh
Speaker 1: punk from the mouth of Babes at all? Monster? Oh
Speaker 1: that's right. This is when you you get your vision
Speaker 1: pretty shortly hereafter. Yeah, there was something that happened when
Speaker 1: you guys shot this scene. I wasn't there, so I
Speaker 1: don't remember. Isn't there something or am I am? I
Speaker 1: know there was there like a couple of issues with it,
Speaker 1: and I can't remember exactly what they were. Didn't the
Speaker 1: door get locked or that's right. The sliding door was
Speaker 1: on like a wedge, and when I shut it behind me,
Speaker 1: and I did it a couple of times, and poor
Speaker 1: Harry got and I must have shut it too hard
Speaker 1: because Harry is a big, strong guy. When I slid
Speaker 1: the door shut, it wedges itself shut, so he couldn't
Speaker 1: enter the scene. Um, so you just sort of heard
Speaker 1: him like rattle the door for a second with like
Speaker 1: Mom unconscious on the floor, and then you just hear
Speaker 1: him go could open the door. I got ship. Sorry, body,
Speaker 1: I'll try and close it slow, but the door was
Speaker 1: quite heavy, so sort of the inertia of that velocity
Speaker 1: took over a little. I don't know, I'm making it
Speaker 1: uses a bad job. Well either way, can we just
Speaker 1: talk about how badass Nicola was but throwing that battle
Speaker 1: ax in the smarting? Yeah, bear the pain and get
Speaker 1: the venom out of your system. You are right, Rafael, correct,
Speaker 1: We I knocked Mom out. And now Rafael is giving
Speaker 1: isabel or what for? No, not not like that, and
Speaker 1: some good advice. He yes, exactly, And now Isabelle's finally
Speaker 1: entering the chaos of the party, but first she razzis
Speaker 1: her track marks. Yeah, smart, smart, lady Smart Lady Penthouse
Speaker 1: one year it is here we go? Is he seeing
Speaker 1: visions there? Is he immune to these visions because of
Speaker 1: the vampire blood? I wonder. I don't know, because I
Speaker 1: don't think if anything happens to Izzy, maybe she's immune
Speaker 1: because she just a racks heat too. That could be
Speaker 1: like right at the door, Clary, I don't have time
Speaker 1: for your problems. I don't have time for your problems.
Speaker 1: Oh there's another assignment in my vision. Tugging on the
Speaker 1: tie Clary's piste. That man is like magnus no no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no in my house. Yeah, I love that. One
Speaker 1: of my favorite lines. Not this is not an episode
Speaker 1: of the Real Housewives of Address. Yeah, very good. No,
Speaker 1: No it's not, it is not, and the may is
Speaker 1: not even there. It's Raj. It is Raj, Poor Raj again,
Speaker 1: poor Raj. He was about to get knocked the funk out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just want a T shirt that says poor Raj.
Speaker 1: So it's you know, that's the next You should send
Speaker 1: them to Raymond. Honestly, we think of you fondly, Raymond, fondly,
Speaker 1: and often what we do we do. And then now
Speaker 1: they've just found knocked out, knocked out Maris as we
Speaker 1: get for throwing a battle axe at your son. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Claire's having a freak out. I love at Magnus is
Speaker 1: the only one who goes. But I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: throw a party here, and everybody's hallucinating what's in this punch?
Speaker 1: What bartender did I hire Maya? Yeah? Right? And then
Speaker 1: now Alex visions We say I didn't have a choice
Speaker 1: a lot, and I don't think that's true. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's true that I didn't have a choice. Well,
Speaker 1: I could have done something else except for knocking her out. Yeah, maybe,
Speaker 1: like I disarmed people all the time constantly you do.
Speaker 1: But then again, you know Warlock visions. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: making me crazy. Judgment was slightly impaired. Oh shoot, that's right,
Speaker 1: I remember what's about to happen. So now we everyone
Speaker 1: runs out to the roof because they hear Clary yelling
Speaker 1: at Alec, and Alec is standing on the edge of
Speaker 1: Magnus's roof about to jump because his hallucinations are of
Speaker 1: Clary digging the knife in about, you know, accusing him
Speaker 1: of killing her mother, even though the man was possessed.
Speaker 1: What was he going to possessed and is semi possessed
Speaker 1: right now? My goodness, who's going to save the day?
Speaker 1: I guess it was interesting as well, wasn't it? Because
Speaker 1: we had to put were you more than anyone? Had
Speaker 1: to play two different versions of of Clary in this
Speaker 1: the like honestly that I don't think any of them
Speaker 1: are dishonest who Clary's character is, like, the fury is
Speaker 1: there and also the empathy. It's interesting. You got to
Speaker 1: play two sides of the same coin, which is quite
Speaker 1: good fun. It was good fun. It was interesting on
Speaker 1: the day because we were so rushed and both sides
Speaker 1: of that are so emotional. They was constantly having to
Speaker 1: flip back and forth between the two, and we didn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of time either because well, yes, we
Speaker 1: got to run it through. But I think every time
Speaker 1: they changed the camera, we'd have to do a couple
Speaker 1: takes of one and a couple takes of the other.
Speaker 1: Every time they switched camera positions, and so it was
Speaker 1: constantly going, all right, give me like thirty seconds to
Speaker 1: go from Wow, that's wild. We were in the shed.
Speaker 1: We didn't hear any of that. We were in the league, remember,
Speaker 1: like shoulder and shoulder like this like sardines. Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: that was also the hardest part, because you know, you
Speaker 1: all were having so much fun, and all I wanted
Speaker 1: to do is have fun with you guys. But I
Speaker 1: literally had to put myself in a little corner and
Speaker 1: uh ignore all the fun that was happening there. Oh God,
Speaker 1: Matt breaks some heart every time. And then of course
Speaker 1: Magnus comes right at the perfect moment and saves the day. Also,
Speaker 1: kudos to our VFX team. When Magnus opens this safe,
Speaker 1: it looks amazing. Everybody's yelling at each other. Everybody's yelling.
Speaker 1: I forgot, I got to yell at Nicola. This is
Speaker 1: one of the only scenes I've ever happened. A fucking
Speaker 1: great Simon lyone. Mya is at the bar, yeah, and
Speaker 1: Alex on the ground awesome, love that so much. Suddenly
Speaker 1: snaps us out of it. Why does he come? Why
Speaker 1: does he start yelling at me? I didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: I came and said hello, I was trying to be nice.
Speaker 1: Didn't hen yell at me for the right thing. I
Speaker 1: knocked out my mom. Oh yeah, because she took down
Speaker 1: his wards and so he had to put them back up.
Speaker 1: There we go nobody leaves to like it back. Oh man,
Speaker 1: magnus legend. Okay, now this this is the part again
Speaker 1: poor Rash. He's scanning Raj, just making sure everything's okay.
Speaker 1: But this is getting to a scene that I think,
Speaker 1: other than the Goat's feet, is probably that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is probably the blooper scene that we talked about
Speaker 1: the most barring goat speed because we had but this
Speaker 1: is our seventeen eighteen of day two of being in
Speaker 1: this room, just us, and we had maybe thirty minutes
Speaker 1: to get this entire scene done, and it's one of
Speaker 1: those were somehow we'd all been put in a line
Speaker 1: and everybody had one thing to say, and it was
Speaker 1: basically just going down the line. And it's one of
Speaker 1: those you know TV scenes where to get the information
Speaker 1: out and make it kind of seem natural, they give
Speaker 1: everyone half a sentence, and for whatever reason, the way
Speaker 1: Matt was saying his line sent all of us back.
Speaker 1: It was because it wasn't him. It wasn't his fault.
Speaker 1: He had the last like ellipsus word, so it was
Speaker 1: it was like you mean dot dot dot question mark
Speaker 1: or like wait, dot dot dot like it was something
Speaker 1: like that, and it was just the last one, and
Speaker 1: we were running on this has to be like our
Speaker 1: twelve of a twelve hour day. We're running on fun
Speaker 1: and empty. And every time he did it, we were like,
Speaker 1: oh no, and it like one of four of us
Speaker 1: would break every time, like it was a different person
Speaker 1: each time, but someone would go and it would set
Speaker 1: all of us off as a nightmare. I think he
Speaker 1: had to leave set. I think they and he had
Speaker 1: to leave set because he was like, I can't, I
Speaker 1: physically can't. You know, I'm making it worse way doing this.
Speaker 1: He made the right call, honestly, and he did the
Speaker 1: did it from off camera somewhere. Oh man, it happens.
Speaker 1: He had quit saying it. Yeah, happens to the best
Speaker 1: of us. That fucking little ginger cat that wouldn't behave
Speaker 1: from the beginning, the red haired cat, the French dialect.
Speaker 1: It must be Irish rouse. Yeah, sure, this is. This
Speaker 1: was weird as well because we all had to hold
Speaker 1: this position. Oh I forgot about this. Actually not for
Speaker 1: too long, it turns out, although there was a stunt
Speaker 1: in it, so we had to hold and reset. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure, because doesn't she get flung out of the
Speaker 1: room I think, so look at these practical effects as well.
Speaker 1: When we we talk a lot about the the effects
Speaker 1: on our show, which is spectacular, but the practical effects
Speaker 1: are also fantastic, and we don't talk about those enough.
Speaker 1: Actual ship blowing up, which is books, shells falling apart,
Speaker 1: lights exploding like is dangerous no matter what it is,
Speaker 1: and they're done very well and very safely. We didn't
Speaker 1: do enough warlock battles on the show. I have to say,
Speaker 1: is this one? There's one in season three? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's this combination of practical and visual effects that just
Speaker 1: it brings it to life and well and also performingly
Speaker 1: and Stephanie just doing their thing. Yes, so much of
Speaker 1: it is about this physicality. Oh is this one? Madzie
Speaker 1: joins Magnus and Alec shortly thereafter because they have to
Speaker 1: rescue her from Valentine. But oh, that's so, this is
Speaker 1: where the blood oath comes in. So if you remember,
Speaker 1: I made a blood oath with Iris to try and
Speaker 1: bring my mother back and before she kidnapped me. But
Speaker 1: she calls her blood oath in it, got it, got it,
Speaker 1: got it to the clave with you, Iris, babe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the scene right here what does Valent turned
Speaker 1: up to anyway? It's too dangerous. I'm so curious if
Speaker 1: the line ends up in there. Let's see, it's got
Speaker 1: to be he's thinking about it. Wait, I have to
Speaker 1: be wearing heels at this point as well. I'm wearing
Speaker 1: some sort of fancy Italian heel because I don't look
Speaker 1: that much shorter than Matt, and I am quite a
Speaker 1: bit shorter than Matt. But if you in that shot,
Speaker 1: I didn't look that much shorter than him. So I
Speaker 1: think I'm wearing some sort of like Cuban boot. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I just keep giggling because I'm watching all of us
Speaker 1: trying not to laugh. Yeah, we're all just scowling just
Speaker 1: a little bit too much. Oh, this is when we
Speaker 1: found out that Clary has pure angel blood. I forgot that.
Speaker 1: This is when we put all those pieces together. Always Magnus,
Speaker 1: he always knows, He always knows. Now, this scene actually
Speaker 1: was outside. This is across the street from that park.
Speaker 1: Are you saying that that's what it was? Are you
Speaker 1: saying that dot dot dot not? It wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a single word, which I thought it was. Are you
Speaker 1: saying that is what it was? And if you notice
Speaker 1: rewatch it, it's I think either just Matt or just
Speaker 1: you and Matt in the shop. But silliness aside. What
Speaker 1: we're really funding out here is that the angels. Clary
Speaker 1: has pure angel blood because she was able to see this,
Speaker 1: this angel's vision correct at a downroad, apocalypse is coming.
Speaker 1: Soul Sword equals down worlders dying, is what we're saying.
Speaker 1: If it's activated, correct, it's different from the books. And
Speaker 1: what does it do in the books? The thing in
Speaker 1: the books, it's it's only the truth telling thing. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think you know it's it's a powerful sort
Speaker 1: that can be used to kill an angel, I think.
Speaker 1: But it's also just one of the three mortal instruments.
Speaker 1: It's it's just an extremely powerful supernatural sort happen three
Speaker 1: more instruments together. Anything Razil is called Oh I knew
Speaker 1: that Razil as that happens. Yeah, and the cup makes
Speaker 1: new shadow hunters. What is the not the like the mirror?
Speaker 1: Do I mean it is a like spoiler? Is? Like
Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't remember exactly what properties
Speaker 1: the mirror has. I think it I don't know. Tweeters
Speaker 1: if you're listening, We tweet Twitter you can put it
Speaker 1: on mine scram some if you want to send a
Speaker 1: message something to do with truth and visions and something
Speaker 1: I think I can't I can't actually recall. But we're
Speaker 1: having The download apocalypse is imminent, basically, is what we're learning.
Speaker 1: And of course Clari is going well. Some of the
Speaker 1: people I love most in the world are downloaders, including
Speaker 1: my dad and my boyfriend now and all of these
Speaker 1: people that mean the world to me. Luke, oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think that is no. And
Speaker 1: then of course Simon and true Simon fashion just makes
Speaker 1: it all better. Now we're at the room ceremony. I
Speaker 1: would have been scared of Stephen if I was Mac.
Speaker 1: If I was Max's age and he's got the full
Speaker 1: mcgiver on his face, I would have been scared of him.
Speaker 1: I'm a little as the character. Yeah, not on sex,
Speaker 1: he's a big, softy Stephen, but as the character, I
Speaker 1: would have been terrified at that guy. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: eyes a mouth sun shot. We have to think about
Speaker 1: it too, though, especially someone who's grown up in address.
Speaker 1: Silent brothers have to be something that are a lot
Speaker 1: more common. No, I mean Max the actor Jack, I
Speaker 1: mean Jack. Sorry, Jack, I mean Jack would have been
Speaker 1: I would have been scared if I was Jack. You
Speaker 1: have to remember, though, he was a lot older than
Speaker 1: he looks, was he. Yeah, he's a very mature kid.
Speaker 1: He was like eleven or twelve, wasn't he. Yeah, no
Speaker 1: idea because look at all all dressed up to the nines.
Speaker 1: I think it's weird that we had this whole cool
Speaker 1: thing party planned and then the ceremony didn't happen there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it's like a rehearsal dinner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like this is the reception versus the ceremony, any kind
Speaker 1: of deal, because if you think, if you look, it's
Speaker 1: just family at the ceremony and it's a very small,
Speaker 1: kind of quiet thing. So then you have a party.
Speaker 1: I think this is one of the first times we
Speaker 1: get to see our always like proper backstage always. This
Speaker 1: was a great scene at Maris Nikola does such a
Speaker 1: good job with this scene right at the end. M M.
Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, she does an amazing job, and
Speaker 1: we were This is another one of those like right
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we're all sort of
Speaker 1: running on empty twelve hours. We had about fucking thirty
Speaker 1: seconds to get each of our coverage, and she just
Speaker 1: like knocks it out of the park. She does such
Speaker 1: a good job. And it's this is again something that
Speaker 1: they they actually took the time in this episode to do,
Speaker 1: is give our characters a moment of reconciliation. You know,
Speaker 1: you see it with Simon and Clary, you see it
Speaker 1: with even, see it with Clarie and Aleck. Here before
Speaker 1: you have that lovely scene with Nicola. It's you know,
Speaker 1: Clari finally says straight up, I don't blame you for
Speaker 1: my mom. It's when it's one of the first times
Speaker 1: you get to see a little bit of that that friendship,
Speaker 1: the thing we call friendship between Alec and Clary. They
Speaker 1: don't quite hug, but they almost do. No, there's a
Speaker 1: little little awkward arm grab of like I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: know it's like a half pat sohen we're done. And
Speaker 1: then this beautiful scene with you and Nicola and Matt.
Speaker 1: I can't tell, Isabelle, you know sometimes you can tell
Speaker 1: by the color of our faces how long we've been
Speaker 1: on set, Like you can tell, like the blood has
Speaker 1: started to drain out. We all look a little paler,
Speaker 1: Like Matt's quite olive skinned. Anyway. But when he looks
Speaker 1: like really pale, and I'm quite pale naturally, when I
Speaker 1: look really really pale, and you can tell we've been
Speaker 1: on set for a while and with like you're really
Speaker 1: tired and the blood's just like in your body trying
Speaker 1: to keep your functioning. That's that's what it looks like,
Speaker 1: just looking a little pale and interesting. Also, it must
Speaker 1: have been getting cold right now, so we're spending less
Speaker 1: time outside. I think it was about October, because I
Speaker 1: seemed to remember this was around Halloween we shot this
Speaker 1: episod it. They do this over and over again with
Speaker 1: Maris and it's so it's so beautiful because they have
Speaker 1: they have such both sides of the coin with her.
Speaker 1: They paint her as this so a strong leader and
Speaker 1: this amazing mother and this woman who is so strong
Speaker 1: in her convictions, and they give her so many beautiful
Speaker 1: moments of vulnerability as well. It just and she does
Speaker 1: it just Nikola just hits it out of the park
Speaker 1: every time she does something very honest about performances, which
Speaker 1: is fantastic. Yeah, and then you know bad guy man.
Speaker 1: See every kid in Valentine's Stead gets treats. Every single
Speaker 1: kid except Clary whenever he pasta pasta, I got pasta. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I got tortured and eventually murdered. But yeah,
Speaker 1: pasta is great, lovely, lovely, What a consolation to have
Speaker 1: some freaking pasta pasta or bought me ice cream? Is
Speaker 1: that true? I don't think that's true. Oh he didn't,
Speaker 1: as you said, Jays didn't. I was like Jade, I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a scene of it, and that's our episode.
Speaker 1: Valentine's doing bad stuff at the end. Surprised kells please
Speaker 1: as the French maybe say, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: speak French. Maybe well, how apt given the French Warlock
Speaker 1: spells in the spells um well as always, thank you
Speaker 1: everyone for listening, for joining us on this little journey.
Speaker 1: I think we covered. I didn't look at my cheat
Speaker 1: sheet one time. I don't know what we covered, but
Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of words, like six pages of
Speaker 1: work here. Sorry, sorry producers who worked so hard on this.
Speaker 1: There's like six pages of really interesting stuff and I
Speaker 1: covered zero of it. And I apologize for that. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: we covered. I was keeping an eye on it. I'll
Speaker 1: keep us on track. It keeps me straight. That's the
Speaker 1: thing working on it. Well, folks, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us again, and hopefully we made some sort
Speaker 1: of sense in an episode that is very good, bluted
Speaker 1: and of itself. All right, Bye Bye Bye. Returned to
Speaker 1: the Shadows is hosted and an executive produced by Me,
Speaker 1: Katherine McNamara and Dominic Sherwood. Our executive producer is Lingley.
Speaker 1: Our senior producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia. Our
Speaker 1: producers are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermeilia, and our intern
Speaker 1: is Sam Katz. Original music by Alex Kinsey and performed
Speaker 1: by Alex Kinsey and Katherine McNamara