WEBVTT - S2E8 - Love Is A Devil 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:39.239 Hello, Hello, Hello, Yeah, you go took the words right 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.720 out of my mouth. Back at it again. Hello, holidays 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:48.200 done fantastic. Yeah, a good time. How about yours? Good busy? 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.879 But I'm very it's almost you're running around so much 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.320 during the holidays sometimes you feel like COMMUNI vacation after 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:58.959 the holidays. I completely agree. All for good reasons, All 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.960 for good reasons. I don't know how it's possible that 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:06.000 there is pet hair on my microphone, rajah, that makes sense. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.400 Something really cool. I was at a convention last weekend 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:14.200 for um it was a supernatural convention, but for you know, 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:18.320 the Walker Connected verse, and so many people were coming 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.120 up to me and talk to me about this podcast 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.720 and how much they love it, and and people who 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:24.840 hadn't seen Shadow Hunters were like, oh, hey, cool, I'm 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:26.840 gonna go listen to the podcast and watch the show. 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.240 And people were talking amongst themselves about it instead of 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.320 asking me questions about it. And it's so cool because 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.040 this is really taken on a life of its own now, 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.959 and so kudos to you and are incredible producers and 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.120 team for for making this such a great one. That's great, 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:45.440 that's great to hear him. We're Looking into Today, Episode eight, 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.560 Season two, Love Is a Devil. Air date was February seventeen, 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:53.640 written by White Sharene Razak, directed by Katriona mackenzie, starring 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.680 Kathery mcmare, Dominic Showed, Albert Zende, Matthew m R. B 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.280 Isaiam and Staffa and Harry Sham Jr. Guest starring Adam 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:03.640 Vans Brangerlee, Wayne Right, Ariana Williams, David Castro, Nicola Corrales, Mandolin. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.400 That's not her name, she knows that. Jack Holton, Stephanie Belding, 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:12.239 Erica Deutschman, Sure don't there you go? And Raymond and 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:16.400 Black very good. What's going to remember this episode? So 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.480 I sort of remember this episode. I reread the log 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:25.360 line and then I was like, tensions run high. Max's 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.519 ruin ceremony brings everyone's fears to the forefront. Task With 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.560 arranging his brother Max's ruin ceremony, Alec decided this would 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:33.600 be the perfect opportunity for his family to get to 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:37.360 know Madness. But with tensions flying among the different shadow hunters, 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.120 Max's big event quickly becomes an evening where they all 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.359 must face their biggest fears. Meanwhile, Simon makes a bold 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:47.560 move as Isabelle finds an unlikely new ally who this episode, Yeah, 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.639 this episode, This is one of those episodes which we'll 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:54.200 talk about later where they're all they're they're fun episodes, 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.200 but simultaneously they're always chaos because you have so many 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:01.600 cast members in everyone and uh, this one was in 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:06.280 a particularly small space, but I made it bigger for 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.960 season two. Honestly, Like, imagine filming it in season one, 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.720 Magnus's apartment would have been a nightmare, Like at least 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:15.200 this one happened more than one room. Yeah, but I 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.480 will say some of my favorite memories and some of 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.720 our silliest moments come from this episode as well. So 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:25.560 not without fun, not without fun. Yeah, but we start 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:30.240 on a slightly darker note in the alleyway with Emerald. 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:35.400 Emerald Isabelle trying to get her latest fix because she's 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:39.000 still addicted to the infin for a while. I've said 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:40.880 this before and I'll say it again. This is hands 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.360 down my favorite performance of Emeralds. Like, she does such 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.280 a good job in all of this. Yeah, this whole 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.360 like section and she's great, you know throughout, but this 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:55.000 whole section here is is fantastic, absolutely well and There's 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.120 a lot that goes on. There's so much drama happening 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.160 with the in Fin and then the Magnus and a 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:04.240 relationship is starting to move forward. But also the Clary 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.000 j Simon love triangle takes an interesting turn in this 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:11.040 episode as well. So we um, there's much to be discussed, 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:15.960 much to be discussed, and lots of cats, many many 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:21.160 fucking cats. Man. Honestly, like Roger, I think was this 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.640 pretty getting Raja or post getting Rajer? I can't remember. 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:28.320 I'm remember this little sucking ginger cat that just wouldn't 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.640 bathe and I had like treats stuff in the no 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.919 not you know, an actual cat like feline. U. They 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:36.920 just wouldn't bete and I had like treats stuffed in 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:38.920 the cushions and it wouldn't do as it's told. And 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:40.440 they were like, let's bring out a different cat. And 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.240 I'm like, I don't think that's gonna It was a nightmare. Honestly, 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.360 it was a nightmare. Um yeah, but very cute all 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.960 the same. Absolutely. Oh that's who Eloise is. So this 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:54.760 episode starts with Isabelle in Vampire Alley as it were, 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:56.839 I don't know where it is. It's an alley behind 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.240 the door or somewhere some defarious place where she trying 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.479 to find you in fen and who comes to rescue 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.400 her and sweep her off her feet, but the ever 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:11.800 suave David Castro, Yeah, no kidding, but then does bite her. Yeah. 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.360 But Ralphael became one of my favorite characters, and so 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:15.960 much of it had to do with the heart that 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.120 David put behind it. But you know, he's a character 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.920 that could have so easily been painted one dimensionally, and 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.840 yet between what the writers did and the way that 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:27.640 David took so much care with it, he brought it 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:29.360 to life in a way that made this really sort 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:33.920 of darkly conflicted person who who just wanted to do 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.280 the right thing but was never, if ever given the 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.160 opportunity to rarely have ever given the opportunity to do so. 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.080 And it's such an interesting thing in our world. Have 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.040 a vampire who's started as a villain, who's trying to 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:49.320 be a hero but doesn't have a chance to. Yeah, 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:53.800 I agree. I agree Again, David's performances throughout this they 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:55.920 do such a fantastic job in bringing us into it. 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.640 Like you said, a character that could be very easily 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.560 disliked um, this next scene is fun. You remember Isaiah 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.360 was trying to take the doors off the hinges. Oh yeah, 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.320 wait did you Oh they cut just before because I 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.039 remember also for those who don't know, in the books, 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.160 Jas is scared of ducks. They got around it, and 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:18.000 they cut around it. There's there's a bunch of cooked 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:24.360 ducks hanging in the Jade Wolf and you so subtly 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:28.520 but pointedly jumped every time you saw them. I wonder 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:30.400 if I wonder if the editors were sitting there in 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.200 the booth going what is Tom doing? Did he like 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:35.520 like you didn't get the reference? Maybe I don't know. 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.600 I still have that jacket though, interestingly, you know, I 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:39.560 remember being upset that they cut it out because it 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.200 was I have that jacket. It was a nice little 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:48.200 like not buddy, I know, but I'm working. Oh we 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.920 got a new chair here, which is very exciting. It's 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.800 a very comfortable recliner. But Dan has very much claimed 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.800 it as his own. And this is the first time 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.080 we're doing the podcast since having had this chair, and 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.240 he's he's feeling a tad neady. I might have to 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:10.280 do this sideways because he's special guest Dan Hi bub 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:18.920 So Valentine has clear this, yes, and we're not by 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.760 her own doing because she was a freaking circle member 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:25.280 who knew right right, I mean everyone for hundreds of years, 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.400 well except for us, because the adults don't tell us 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:32.720 anything because that would be too simple. M hm oh. 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.520 And this is right after we've seen it thur real 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.320 and he showed us the vision of the future with 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:44.080 the sword and everything correct and burnt face man and 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.680 burned face. I don't we see a demon, but I 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.520 don't think it's burnt lasagn you guy. Yet it doesn't. 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:55.040 It's not so many cruel nicknames for that guy, considering 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:56.960 how long they had to stay in here and makeup for. 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.440 But that's a conversation for a later episode. Mm hmm. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.080 And then cut to Alec, who is actually doing his 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:09.120 job and investigating and saying there's an angel he's trying 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.360 to figure it's out, and a little sibling discussion, what 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.960 are they actually blad blady, Bladi blad Get to the 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:20.000 good stuff, guys. Honestly, all of this dialogue we want 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.120 to throw Max and ruined ceremony because he doesn't have 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:26.320 his runs yet. Jack is so baby, he is God. 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.680 Do you remember when he came back and he'd scared 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:29.960 the ship out of me. Actually, like we're in the 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:31.720 makeup trailer and he's heard this voice that was like 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:35.000 deeper than mind, like like who the fund is that? 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.280 I turned around. It's like six ft tall Jack, And 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:38.600 I was like, I don't know how we're gonna make 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.040 this work because it's been like two weeks. But there 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.640 you go, look at him, sure, teeny little thing are 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.240 you trying to get by? Is that the issue? He 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:52.679 is nudging me with his head? Such cute not look 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.400 how handsome Matters had a boy? That a boy. I 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.640 think this is finally two when we all started to 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.600 to settle into our character. Looks like you look at 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.040 everybody and you know, I mean, obviously they're doing things 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.160 with Isabelle right now as well, given her circumstance. But 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.240 Matt's hair is finally the way that it always was, 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.760 and and Nicola's wardrobe and hair, everything's kind of getting 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.679 to be more cohesive and falling into a nice rhythm. Yeah, 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.760 it sort of stopped changing from this point out. Uh, yeah, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:24.120 I think so for the most part. For the most part. Yeah, Well, 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.600 then we introduced Luke and needs his hair comes back 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:30.120 and forth all the time. It's nuts. Although we'll say 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.720 the number of you can definitely tell this that our 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:37.400 show started shooting because the number of choker necklaces that 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.640 Emad and I were throughout the series that just are 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.480 not a thing anymore. I didn't know there. If I'm honest, 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.400 I thought that was a very early two thousands deal, 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.920 like sort of stopped happening in two thousand five. But 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:53.160 did I've never worn one? So who am I to judge? 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:58.079 Fashion is subjective and somewhat circular. No, like stuff that 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.319 was in the fifties is now very fashionable. Actually have 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.240 a suit from a Hugo Boss event upstairs, It was 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:07.280 like dropped straight out of the fifties. Is awesome. That's amazing. Okay, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:11.040 So Magnus and Aleck have a conversation where it's it's 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:14.760 so great again. Malick is the healthiest relationship on our show. 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.120 Alec has an opportunity and he goes, you know what, 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.199 I've got a family event. I'm going to bring my 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.679 partner into it, and I'm gonna I'm gonna try and 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.080 make him part of the family, even if it's difficult, 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:25.920 but because I know he can pull it off. And 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:27.760 I know he can, you know, do it better than 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.880 I can. And it's a it's well, I mean, if 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.439 you're going to ask someone to throw a party, I 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.760 would not ask Alec. I'm just saying, oh, not Matt, 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:43.080 not true party, Mat can throw a party. Yeah, all right, 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:50.080 Now we've got Valentine talkeet irist little Madzie. Oh yeah, 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.880 this park. I don't remember this park. I'm not in 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.360 this scene. I don't know if you've noticed, Allen and 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.920 I look very similar. But that's not that's not me. 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.160 Just so you're for you and that's not me either. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.920 But no, I knew that because I pay attention to it. Yeah, 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.719 we come back to this park next episode, if you 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.079 if you recall, oh is this one we had to 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:18.040 take the jacket with the with this whole next episode? Yeah, 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.760 because I because there's stuff that happens with this this 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.520 warlock lady here that comes back to bite me literally 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:30.560 that bitch. Oh fuck, yeah I remember? Um oh now yeah, 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.920 I'm all caught up. I'm all caught up. You know, 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:41.360 for a dad, Valentine really uses children as manipulation quite 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:46.520 a lot. Tools Yeah, but then that sort of prefaces 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.120 the whole conversation of it is that why he had 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:53.160 kids in the first place, was to which was his intention, right, 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.560 was to develop two warriors of either side of a coin. 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.640 That's what he wanted. Didn't want children, he wasn't paternal. 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:03.120 He wanted soldiers. Yeah, bonus and then he got you know, bonus, 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:07.959 jase in you Okay this scene, So now we have 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:12.920 um clary and Simon on a beautiful New York vista 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:17.439 that some might recognize having a conversation. This scene is 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.319 not the first time we had shot this scene, so 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.400 Alberta and I shot this scene on a green screen 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:26.800 first because we were still experimenting with the sixty degree 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.160 green and blue screen and they were figuring out how 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.679 they were going to drop in these plates of New York. So, 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.280 as we'll come to see, this is kind of a 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:39.600 very important scene for this whole arc of the entire show. 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.600 You can tell it's important when when Simon's involved, because 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.760 it starts with a sort of fairly self deprecating soliloquy 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:51.000 just to himself. He's always very sha experienced this one, 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.120 but we had to completely and we were so happy 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.360 with it. They really took the time and let us 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.439 play and surprise each other and try a bunch of 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:03.000 things and and we were so happy, and then we 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.840 had to completely reshoot it. They described the scene entirely 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.480 because there was some issue with the VFX and we 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.000 had to completely reshoot it. But it was one of 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:13.960 those things. And I've Albert and I had a lot 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.320 of conversations about this after the fact, but because we'd 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.960 done it and then had time, there have been things 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.560 that have been marinating kind of in both of our heads. 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.480 So when we come back to it, there were actually, yeah, 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.640 there were more layers to the scene. You can tell 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:30.360 you're outside in this one. You know what it is, 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.280 you're the tip of your nose and your cheeks go Rosie. 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.640 It's it's a very attractive look, but like it's for me. 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.440 I'm aware of the difference between this she's inside, she's outside, 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.920 and Alberto's eyes water a little. My ears go, which 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.520 is really bad. My ears go right. Thing, So if 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.679 you like, next time you're watching the show, like if 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.240 we if we asked the question again, you know, was 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.079 that on a set or not, You'll be able to 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.800 tell because my ears like fucking traffic light. Yeah, well, 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:58.840 this was still on a screen. But it was much later, 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.959 so it was it was still inside a bit colder. Yeah, 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.120 it was still inside because we happually do it on 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.920 blue instead of green for like the greener or something. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:11.839 And that Hastings actually directed this on FaceTime. Well he 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:16.120 while his wife was having a baby, right, I remember 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.920 that whole day. I wonder. It's so interesting. So for 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:23.360 those who don't know, normally the process is green. It's 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.080 a very sort of bright green. It's a bit like 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:30.480 the background of your text bubble on your iPhone. It's 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.480 that sort of color green, that sort of green screen 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.600 looks like. And it's because it's one of the least 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.960 used colors in TV. It's very rare that you'll match 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.440 those colors because if you have that color, let's say, 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.240 in your costume or whatever, then that will also be 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.360 edited out by the camera, so it will look like 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.080 just empty space when it's on the screen, and in 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.160 the blue screen is the opposite. If you do have 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.320 those colors in, then the blue is also not used 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.640 as often they put the blue screen in. It actually 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.520 used to be blue screen predominantly back in the day, 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.240 like ten fifteen years ago. It was almost exclusively blue green, 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.960 and then you know, people started wearing bluemore. I guess Saturday. 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:06.320 But it's interesting that you have to come back and 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.920 do it on a blue screen. I wonder why, because 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.000 you're not wearing green, but he is wearing blue. Yeah. 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.440 I think it had something to do with bushes that 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.480 they had put some bushes and they were they couldn't 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.600 they were, they were flaring on the thing. There you go, 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:24.600 There you go, little mind, nute VFX lesson for you. 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:26.960 That's basically all I know about it is just that. 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:32.360 But once again, it's one of those scenes that this 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:33.920 is the beauty of getting to do a show for 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.200 so many years is these characters live a life of 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.480 their own and they have so many experiences that the 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.360 relationships evolved so much, and you evolve in your working 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.400 relationship with people that you get to work with over 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.240 and over again. So when you and and of course 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.360 you know when you you're opposite Alberto, it's just absolutely 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.760 and it's so satisfying. It's like the scene at Lake 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.320 Lynn or you know, when you watch Harry and Matt 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.280 doo a scene you can tell that there's that kind 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.560 of history there. Yeah, he developed a report. You know, 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:03.720 there's what are we on now? We're on episode eight 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:05.360 of season two, So we've been doing this for two 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.200 years because we took that six month break where we 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.360 saw each other pretty much constantly, all of us because 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.360 we were doing press for the show. Um So season 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.360 one took about six months, and then season two took 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.520 eleven months, and season three took eleven months. But between 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:21.960 these two, like where we're at, it was, we would 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.760 have been working together foremost a year. Indeed, and ship 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.800 did you guys just make out what they see? We've 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.640 only been brother and sister for like two episodes or 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.280 four or nine episodes or whatever it is, but that's 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.600 like four days in shadow on time. Simon, you back 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:42.360 up now, he made a move. It was nice. If 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.160 you're standing on a beautiful a beautiful dark and on 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.840 Burdo makes a beautiful speech at you. Are you not 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:49.920 going to kiss him? I would kiss him for less 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.000 than that. If I'm honest, I would kiss him, like 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:53.880 if he gives me the opportunity, it's going to happen. 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:59.640 That's the real truth that I know. I love that guy. Sorry, Tessa, 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:04.359 you're listening. I apologize, I promise I will restrain. It's true. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.479 That's true. Oh that's right. This is when Nicola, when 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:12.280 Marris was running the institute. Yeah, oh that's right. Wait 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.600 where did all the tree go? He's busy with the 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:22.399 infan business. I think code TV code for Nick got 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.480 another job and had to go and do that for 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.600 a little bit. That's funny. They do enough guest stars 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:33.000 this episode. They you can go do something else. Yet 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.440 he undresent books another job and had to go and 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:37.880 do it. This is the thing. So there are two 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.920 different versions of roles, or three different versions of roles 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:43.560 within a within a show or a movie. That's um, 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.840 a series regular, Cat myself, Alberto, Matt, those guys series 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.160 regular sort of your core, your core sort of characters. 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.959 And then you have guest stars who come in like Mariss, 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.680 who very important to the story and will come in 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:59.919 and then and then you know, do their things. They 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.400 always have arcs and linked into the story in some way. 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:05.680 And then what's it called when someone comes in and 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:13.440 just does like an episode occurring? Yeah, well there's recurring recurring. 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:18.200 That's where recurring guest star. Um, I'm gonna go back 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.840 just a little bit. The timing is gonna be wrong, 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:26.120 but we're in a conversation with with Alec and Maris 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.800 in the head of the institute's office. And I think 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.720 someone walks past a light behind the window. Yeah, because 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:35.920 there's a big old shadow that walks through the stained 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.280 glass window. And we know that the light isn't coming 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.960 from inside the room, it's coming from outside that window. 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.639 I think someone goes by it. It's right as she's so, 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:49.800 he says, let's see here. She's about to cry. She's upset. 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:54.160 She says, you're right. He says, oh no. She says, 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.560 of course we'll be there. Thank you for going through 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:58.119 all this trouble for us. And then she sits down 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.840 and right, it's matt shadow. There's no light coming from 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.800 inside the room. There shouldn't be any light coming from 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.959 inside the room, not strong enough light. Oh it does 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.520 look like it moves with her. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows. 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:17.679 It's possible it's ghosts. I'm amazed that that studio wasn't haunted, honestly, 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.919 wasn't it. Though There's some weird ship happened every now 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:24.560 and then. But like, yeah, I mean, do you remember 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.760 when wardrobe was in kind of the front of the office, 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:28.520 sort of right when you came in and they were 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.560 they were positive there was a ghost. There was a 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:34.760 woman like a woman, right, yeah, yeah, I do remember 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.680 exactly as I think. I don't think we were alone there. 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.760 I just I love of the way Matt can just 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.400 mic drop online before he leaves a scene as well 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:08.320 and over and he just goes, thank Magnus and then leaves. 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.119 And a boy, some real prowess there. Oh, here are 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:17.240 the cats. I forgot Jason's living at magnus Is right now. Yeah, 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:20.520 I'm still living at Magnus's. Yeah, this is They cut 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.159 it out, no fucking way. This was one of my 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.360 favorite they cut so they cut out. And we talked 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:26.720 about this with Harry when we had him on the 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:31.160 show briefly. These little, these little like idiosyncrasies that make 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.639 him so genius and make him able to take on 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:37.400 a character as poignant as Magnus. He that little room, 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.800 do you remember We're on the rooftop and the rooftops 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:41.920 are set and then that little room, the sort of 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.879 stairwell was about four ft wide and we all had 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:46.760 to cram into it, and it looks like it goes downstairs, 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:48.200 but it doesn't go anywhere. It's just it's like a 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:50.920 shed and he leans his head out before the scene goes, 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:54.160 and he goes, hey, is it is it nighttime or daytime? 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:56.360 And they go it's daytime. It's like in the morning. 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:58.240 He goes, okay, great, and he shuts the door, and 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.440 then as he opens the door, he just for half 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:03.840 half a second shields his eyes from the light, like 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:05.720 he hasn't seen the light yet. Today. I was like, 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:09.120 a fucking brilliant, like absolutely fucking brilliant. What a clever 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.919 thing to do that makes total sense. Um, and they 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:13.639 cut it out of the show. I'm a shame. I 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:16.880 love Harry so much. It seems a wasted opportunity. But yeah, 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:19.520 these are these moments that you get to have with 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.639 actors like Alberto and Harry. I mean everyone really, but 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:25.960 Alberto and Harry, in my opinion, have the most examples 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.720 of these moments where they really connected with these characters 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:31.879 on such a small level, where it makes such a 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.920 huge difference performance wise that I always thought that was 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:40.040 very special. Absolutely, I forgot what happened in this scene. 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:43.720 I remember you guys are talking about the paramedic connection 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:49.680 and how much Jason knows about conversation with the showrunners 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:53.159 and talking about like how much do I feel? Like? 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:57.879 How much of this am I aware of? Like? Do 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.480 I know? Is that what I know? No? No, no, no, no, 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.760 no no no, I said, I don't know. It was 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:05.359 one of those questions that was never I think it 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:08.200 was sort of don't ask, we won't tell, and don't 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:11.520 worry about it. Don't pull the thread, got it. That's 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.760 the funny thing with so many of these supernatural kind 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:16.320 of mythologies. It's you get to a point and you 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.919 just go, you know what, there's too many questions, too 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:22.120 many questions, the baseline stuff. Yeah, if he's in pain, 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:24.440 I feel it. Maybe if it's pleasure, I don't feel it. 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:28.920 Let's just stick with that, yeah, because that would be 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.879 fucking weird. Also, he runs in on me having sex. 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:33.879 It's like two episodes ago, he runs in on me 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:35.560 having sex. So if that was the case, wouldn't never 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.480 be aware? You could at least knock. But would he 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:42.560