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Speaker 1: God's sad your lake crackers. We will sue you. Tis

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Speaker 1: the Garner Welcome to hang out.

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Speaker 2: Wednesday, July sixth. We are back from a long weekend.

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Speaker 2: You have the color to show it, Peter, and I'm

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Speaker 2: jealous because I did not get nearly as much sun.

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Speaker 2: You look great, You look vibrant. How is your memorial memorial?

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Speaker 2: July fourth? Weekend?

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Speaker 3: July fourth was great in San Diego? And and something

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Speaker 3: I just want to address quickly first, because yes, my

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Speaker 3: face is red, but my feet are even redder. I'm

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Speaker 3: I may look good, but I don't feel good mentally,

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Speaker 3: especially because I just had the worst day of betting

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Speaker 3: I want to address it too because it was the

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Speaker 3: first day of the season where I was traveling back

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Speaker 3: ride up. I haven't missed a rite up the entire year,

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Speaker 3: didn't miss a write up last year either, and just

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Speaker 3: over extended myself, went with some picks that I liked

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Speaker 3: and it just bit me in the ass. So you know,

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Speaker 3: I was on this incredible heater. We won seven bets

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Speaker 3: in a row and that's just gambling at the end

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Speaker 3: of the day. Like it's not gambling advice. But I

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Speaker 3: know a lot of people tail these picks. Of course,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people do. And this season is going

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Speaker 3: to have some crazy terrains where we go on crazy

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Speaker 3: why we you know, we don't parlay, and we keep

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Speaker 3: a level head and we just try and make it.

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Speaker 3: But honestly, I got got cocky. I just got cocky,

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Speaker 3: and it bit me in the ass. And for anyone

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Speaker 3: that lost on the picks, and I understand, it's not

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Speaker 3: gambling advice, but we all know, we all know what

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Speaker 3: that means. I apologize.

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Speaker 2: It was a heat check.

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Speaker 3: It was a heat check, and it was a bad

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Speaker 2: That's all I have to say. Very serious start to

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Speaker 2: fun episode. But no, I mean it was a heat check.

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Speaker 2: We all take the heat check sometimes and then it

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Speaker 2: reminds you, like you get away from what works for you,

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Speaker 2: then you think you could still do it, and you

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Speaker 2: gotta you gotta stick with the uh with the routine. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's a reason, uh and Sandyel Contra, I gotta talk

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Speaker 2: question on Sandy, but I wanted to just open with

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Speaker 2: before we get to these questions. Dude, I mean, I

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Speaker 2: just can't tell you how much it really means to

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Speaker 2: be able to see the sky pitch, because I you

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Speaker 2: know what Jose Fernandez's death did to like the Marlins families,

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Speaker 2: to baseball as a whole, but like, you were never

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Speaker 2: gonna replace Jose, and I don't want Sandy to be

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Speaker 2: like even in that kind of idea of a conversation here,

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Speaker 2: it's not for that point, but just for the Marlins

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Speaker 2: as a franchise, for Marlins fans to get that guy

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Speaker 2: it's the first time I'm really seeing that buzz again,

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Speaker 2: more fans in the ballpark, people like it's Sandy Day.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen that since Jose Fernandez, and it's been

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Speaker 2: And from a guy that's you know, not watching the

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Speaker 2: It's Sandy. It's Sandy. It's Sandy because in the way,

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Speaker 2: So I'll read the question and then I want your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on this, Peter. The Yankees and the Astros have

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Speaker 2: Who's third? Red Sox, Twins, Blue Jays, Rays, Guardians, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: It is actually crazy. I would say that it's the

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Speaker 3: Can I be honest with you again again? I was

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Speaker 3: hearing you guys on the podcast the Astros might be

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Speaker 2: I was saying, yeah, because you're in my way. Because

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Listen to this for a second.

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Speaker 3: When we're going through the starting rotation, the Ashers have

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Speaker 3: the list. There is no off day in this rotation.

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Speaker 3: If we're talking about bullpens, Ashros might have a better bullpen.

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Speaker 2: Really you would take the Astros bullpens. It's amazing how

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Speaker 3: you're going down one to nine, there's no breaks with

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Speaker 3: and even some of the Yankees wins, they were comeback wins,

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Speaker 2: But they were winning the awesome series that's gonna be.

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Speaker 2: I hope we get this phenomenal I hope that's alcs

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Speaker 2: lot of what you're saying, is really the rotation, Right,

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Speaker 2: what do the Astros get from Lance mccullors. Does Nestra

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Speaker 3: Keep doing what blown up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the big question, and Justin Verlander at

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Speaker 2: worst because he's under contract until twenty twenty six at

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Speaker 2: thirty five million a year. I don't even see how

430
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Speaker 2: he pitches in twenty twenty six. He might retire before that,

431
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Speaker 2: And like, it's really tough because I was covering that

432
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Speaker 2: game when he made his return and he was smiles,

433
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Speaker 2: and you know, he was very nice for reporters even

434
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Speaker 2: though it was a rough outing, and you know, I

435
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 2: want him to do well so badly or even just

436
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Speaker 2: go out there and compete, but I don't even think

437
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 2: he can physically pitch every fifth day right now with

438
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Speaker 2: the issues he's had with his arm. It's been so

439
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 2: many different injuries now thoracic outlet. That's got to be

440
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Speaker 2: the worst contract. I don't know how insurance works in

441
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Speaker 2: this situation. I don't know if the Nationals have that

442
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Speaker 2: contract insured, but that aside like that is has to

443
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Speaker 2: be the worst contract. Some other honorable mentions. I thought

444
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Speaker 2: Madison Bumgarner's was bad, but it's just not enough for

445
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 2: it to be in that department. He's always been somewhat competitive.

446
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,959
Speaker 2: This year, I think Jason Hayward at eight for one

447
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 2: four is pretty bad. Not ideal. Robbie Cano, I mean

448
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 2: the Mets are paying him to play for somebody else

449
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 2: right now. That one's pretty bad. But I would I

450
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Speaker 2: would say making a lot.

451
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Speaker 3: Of money to be mid I mean, he takes a

452
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Speaker 3: lot of them.

453
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Speaker 2: To hit the ball straight in the ground.

454
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Speaker 3: Still it's hard, but just straight in the ground.

455
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Speaker 2: It's got to be Strassburg, right, And it's sad because

456
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Speaker 2: he got that deal right after the World Series, and

457
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Speaker 2: I think the Nationals they were drinking the kool aid.

458
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 2: They were excited, but you had to know that there

459
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,239
Speaker 2: was a lot of injury risk even going into that

460
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Speaker 2: year when he was able to pitch through the postseason.

461
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Speaker 2: So rough deal for them there, But hopefully Strasburg can

462
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Speaker 2: try to salvage a little bit of his career here

463
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Speaker 2: and finish on his terms. But we'll see if that

464
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 2: happens a guy that's also out with injury, but not

465
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Speaker 2: nearly as bad. Obviously broken thumb. He said what he

466
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 2: wished it hit in the face, which is crazy. Shows

467
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 2: you how crazy Bryce Harper is. He said he'd rather

468
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Speaker 2: have gotten hit in the face. The Phillies lose Harper,

469
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Speaker 2: that is one of the biggest losses for any team.

470
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Speaker 2: When you were talking about, I mean, the most valuable

471
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Speaker 2: player last year looked like the same offensive guy this year. Yes,

472
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Speaker 2: he was dhing, it doesn't matter. He was so so

473
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Speaker 2: good for them. But the Phillies have stayed a float,

474
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Speaker 2: largely in part because of their suspect bullpen actually being

475
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Speaker 2: one of the best bullpens over the last couple of weeks.

476
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Speaker 2: I have no idea what's going on there, but it's amazing.

477
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Speaker 2: As we're recording this, Peter, they're one game out of

478
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Speaker 2: a wild card spot, one game behind the Cardinals, could

479
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Speaker 2: potentially be half a game back if the score holds

480
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Speaker 2: in the game between the Cardinals and the Braves. The

481
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Speaker 2: question that we have here from loopsh nine to one

482
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Speaker 2: to seven is is there any way the Phillies can

483
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Speaker 2: make the playoffs? And now that Bryce Harper is out

484
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Speaker 2: for a decent portion of the season. I think anytime

485
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Speaker 2: you got a team that's a game out, you got

486
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Speaker 2: to say they've got a chance. I think it's more

487
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Speaker 2: of a question of how good is the chance? Where

488
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Speaker 2: do you stand on their situation right now?

489
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Speaker 3: Here's my thing on I don't like the Phillies brand

490
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Speaker 3: of baseball. I'm gonna be completely honest with you, and

491
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Speaker 3: you know, everybody says I'm a Phillies hater. I'm a

492
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: Phillies hater. And it's not that I hate the Phillies.

493
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Speaker 3: I just don't like how they constructed this current roster.

494
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: They doubled down on things that don't work in my opinion, Yes,

495
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 3: has a Phillies bullpen been great? Of course, it's been

496
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Speaker 3: really good lately. Are we expecting not to continue unless

497
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Speaker 3: they make some major moves? For you know, David Bednar

498
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: who's getting ran into the ground right now by Pittsburgh.

499
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Speaker 3: I heard you guys talk about that too, which is

500
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Speaker 3: what I mean. They throw him out there for like

501
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Speaker 3: two innings week.

502
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Speaker 2: Like a half a starter every year.

503
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Speaker 3: Every year. He's a swingman and a closer at the

504
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Speaker 3: same time. It's it's just too much. They doubled down

505
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Speaker 3: on bad defense and Nicostianos. I mean, he looks horrible

506
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Speaker 3: out there, and Schober doesn't look good out there either,

507
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 3: you know. But at the end, at the same time,

508
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: they are a team that will be aggressive at the deadline.

509
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Speaker 3: We think that they're going to add an outfielder, maybe

510
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Speaker 3: a Ramon Loreano. To your guys' point earlier in the podcast,

511
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Speaker 3: you guys talked about Michael A. Taylor, a lot of

512
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Speaker 3: options like that. Maybe they go big for Cedric Mullins

513
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Speaker 3: if the Oriols decide to sell, which I don't think

514
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: they should, but at you know, it could happen. You know, realistically,

515
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 3: he's not completely off the market, even a Brian Reynolds type.

516
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Speaker 3: The pitching looks much better, Wheeler looks great, Nola looks great.

517
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Speaker 3: But besides them, too, there's not a lot to get

518
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Speaker 3: excited about. You know. Ranger Suarez has not replicated what

519
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Speaker 3: he did last year. Kyle Gibson has been very inconsistent

520
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 3: here too. I don't think that the Phillies will make

521
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Speaker 3: the playoffs. I'm saying that right now. I really don't.

522
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Speaker 3: With Bryce Harper, maybe I'm taking a little bit of

523
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Speaker 3: a step back, But without him, who's hitting three eighteen

524
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Speaker 3: with fifteen bombs and slugging six hundred, clearly the best

525
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Speaker 3: hitter on that team. Now, we just had the Kyle

526
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Speaker 3: Sharber June where he's always been amazing. Will he continue

527
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Speaker 3: to do that? We will see.

528
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Speaker 2: He has to, He has to.

529
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Speaker 3: Exactly all of these guys have to perform when they

530
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: are a streaky team. And the reason I don't like

531
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Speaker 3: this brand of baseball arm is I've seen this brand

532
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Speaker 3: of baseball already not work. Yeah, yea, we know it

533
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 3: doesn't work. I watch these shit Yankee teams that made

534
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: me want to punch a hole in my TV because

535
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: they're polarizing a lot of swing and mess, bad defense.

536
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Speaker 3: And with the Yankees, at least they always had these

537
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: good bullpens. But I'm not relying on the Phillies to

538
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Speaker 3: win close, one run games. Why I like the Raise

539
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 3: so much is I love that brand of baseball. They're

540
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Speaker 3: going to win one run games. They're gonna win games

541
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Speaker 3: that make you scratch your head and be like they

542
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 3: didn't even play well, but they won. The Phillies have

543
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Speaker 3: to play really well to win.

544
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Speaker 2: Yea, I am.

545
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Speaker 3: I don't think that the Phillies will make the playoffs.

546
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Speaker 3: I really don't, but with the new wild cards, it

547
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Speaker 3: could be possible that they sneak in. I'm not saying

548
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Speaker 3: it's impossible. I'm just saying, if you put a gun

549
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Speaker 3: to my head and said, Peter, do you think the

550
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: Phillies will make the playoffs? Just like I took their

551
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 3: on win total this year, they're too polarizing, I don't

552
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Speaker 3: think that they will.

553
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Speaker 2: Well, you look at the wild card situation right now.

554
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 2: I mean, we know that the Mets are the Braves.

555
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 2: Probably the Mats are taking the division, which means a

556
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Speaker 2: really good team is anchoring that top wild card spot.

557
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: We know that it's gonna be a runaway, at least

558
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: for the most part with the Dodgers, So a really

559
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: good San Diego Padre seems probably gonna take the second

560
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 2: wild card spot where it's gonna be really free. Is

561
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Speaker 2: that third spot? Right now?

562
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Speaker 3: St.

563
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Speaker 2: Louis holds it by half a game, which is nuts

564
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: over Philadelphia. With San Francisco a game and a half

565
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: behind in the Marlins three games out. That's the only

566
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Speaker 2: thing is they really only have to outlast the Giants

567
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Speaker 2: and catch the Cardinals. The Cardinals have a little bit

568
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 2: more going for them. You know, I think that they

569
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Speaker 2: obviously are the opposite of the Phillies in regards to defense,

570
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: but their pitching is suspect and their bullpen is in

571
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 2: part suspect. They have one of the best relievers in

572
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: the game in Helsley, but outside of that, there's a

573
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: little bit to be figured out there. This is gonna

574
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Speaker 2: be interesting because to me, it's more of who makes

575
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: the right moves at the deadline, because right now we

576
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: see two teams that need to make moves, and the

577
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: Cardinals have a wealth of prospects and a wealth of

578
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: upper minor level, minor league level prospects, meaning guys that

579
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Speaker 2: are close to big league ready, which is what a

580
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: lot of teams are coveting. Cardinals could almost go get

581
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Speaker 2: anybody they want, even without trading one of their main prospects.

582
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: They could get almost anybody they want if they put

583
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: the right package together. The Phillies, they'd have to deplete

584
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: the system. It would be tough. I think for that reason,

585
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: the Cardinals are going to be aggressive. Whoo Hools was

586
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: last year Yati's last year a winos last year. I

587
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: think they go out and they make a splash. They've

588
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: really been kind of waiting and been quiet. If they

589
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 2: make that splash, I don't see how the Phillies keep up,

590
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,239
Speaker 2: especially because I think Harper's injury is gonna keep them

591
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: out a little bit longer. All this stuff you said,

592
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: I agree, Wheeler and Noah have been phenomenal, especially Noah

593
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 2: taking it to the next level. That's going to help

594
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 2: keep them afloat Hoskins and shorebur after Rake. But they've

595
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 2: got to go make a move, and it's gonna be

596
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: hard for the Phillies to make a move, And for

597
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: that reason, I just don't know if they can do it.

598
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: But I think they're gonna float around and they're gonna

599
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: be playing competitive games the whole year. I think they'll be,

600
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 2: you know, in the hunt until the bitter end. But

601
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: I just don't think they have what it takes out last.

602
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: And you're relying, like you said, on a lot of

603
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: relievers who are pitching well right now. But do you

604
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: trust Connor Brogden? Do you trust some of these dudes?

605
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if I do, And that's where they're

606
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: at now. Maybe Mark Apell can step up and kind

607
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 2: of fill in there. It's been nice to see him

608
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: pitch two good outings so far.

609
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 3: Two points on the Cardinals. First, there's no way it's

610
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: Albert Pools this last year. I think he's gonna sign

611
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: another five.

612
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: Year deal, another five year deal.

613
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: No, but that's just a joke about the bullpen. I

614
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 3: think you're undervaluing the colonel's bullpen a little bit because

615
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 3: Giovanni Diegos is real. Yeah, they you know Hennis's Cabra.

616
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: They have a lot of really good guys. When they

617
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: get Alex ray Is back, you know, they have a

618
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: lot of really good arms. I trust that bullpen way

619
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Speaker 3: more than I trust the Phillies bullpen. And on the

620
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: other side of it too, when we're talking to defense,

621
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Speaker 3: it's literally not even close. The Cardinals are gonna.

622
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: Win the most opposite it could ever be.

623
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Speaker 3: And then to end that point, we're seeing the impact

624
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: that Yadier Molina has had on this team, you know,

625
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: with the Ivan Herrera, with Caniser, with a lot of

626
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: these catchers that they've been using Romine, Yadier Molina commands

627
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: the staff. We've seen differences in Adam Wainwright, We've seen

628
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: differences in Dakota Hudson a lot of their arms where

629
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Speaker 3: Yadi has been that you know, ultimate confidence guy that

630
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: I have, Yadier Molina, I'm gonna have confidence whenever I throw.

631
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Speaker 3: That's what Yadio and Malina gives you. And he's still

632
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: a good defender back there. Yes he's not gonna hit,

633
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 3: but they don't need him to hit because they have

634
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: so many other guys. I think this Cardinals team, you

635
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: add one more starter, and they just are better than

636
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Speaker 3: the Phillies in my mind. And you know, I'm not

637
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: counting out the Giants yet. And I know you also

638
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: took your you took your victory lap on the Giants.

639
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: I'm not counting out the yet. I understand why you

640
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: did that, because they've been playing like garbage and they

641
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: look old, they look decrepit. They don't look like they

642
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: have nearly the same magic as last year. But again,

643
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: this is a team that went and got Chris Brian

644
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,479
Speaker 3: ats deadline. I just don't think that we should totally

645
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 3: count them out of it. No, I think just stepping

646
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: back and saying they're not the one hundred and seven

647
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: win team, clearly they were due to regress. I didn't

648
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: think they regressed this much. That's also again on me.

649
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: But I don't think that it's over right now. I

650
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: still think that the Giants are better than the Phillies.

651
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: I really do. I'm sorry I do.

652
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: I look that's fair and Logan web you know, kind

653
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: of back looking like Logan Webbins and Ways again. And

654
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: I like some of the guys that they have in

655
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: the system. They just caught up David Lallar, who's one

656
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: of the best hitters in the minor leagues this year.

657
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: Maybe he can contribute. They find ways to kind of

658
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: pull rabbits out of hats, and I'm interested to see

659
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: what they do. They just got to stay in striking

660
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: range with the expanded playoffs as well, and they could

661
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: sneak their way in. So I'm not swearing them off,

662
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: but they're definitely, as you said, a diminished team from

663
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: last year, without a doubt. The next question is a

664
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: real fun one. If you guys are able to make

665
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: a rotation of five pitchers under twenty seven years old,

666
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: three rightys, two lefties for the next five to seven years,

667
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: who are your top five? This is that great question,

668
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: wonderful And we know we talked about two of the

669
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: guys already. I mean, I got I know that Sandy

670
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: and Shane McClanahan are our shoeings, one righty, one lefty,

671
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: right off the bat. I mean, these guys are young

672
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: but already proven in a lot of different ways and

673
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: get better every time we see him.

674
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: No brainer there, No brainer there. The other lefty that

675
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: I want to put in is Julio Arias.

676
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: Yep, that's my we have this before you go. I

677
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: bet you we have the same, the same I bet

678
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: you were going too.

679
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: And then the next now, so we have two lefties,

680
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: which is Shane mcclanann Julio Arius and then one of

681
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 3: the righties is clearly Sandy, but the other clear choice

682
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: is Corbyn Burns.

683
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: Ben Burns, which clearly forget how young he is, Like,

684
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: I feel like he's twenty eight, twenty nine, late blue

685
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: kind of guy. He's young, he's young. Corban Burns is

686
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: a no brainer now. And this is where we talked

687
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: about this actually before we record it. There's probably two

688
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: guys you can go with here for the final ariety.

689
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: Right, And I'm just looking up because I think Corbyn

690
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: Burns I might have just messed it up. I think

691
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: he's yeah, he's twenty seven, not twenty six, but he

692
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: still qualifies for this for this list, so I think

693
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: the distinction right now, if we're looking at you know,

694
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 3: who's the best under twenty seven. For me, I'm flip

695
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: flopping between Dylan c. S and Alec Manoa. And I

696
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: think both are correct in a weird way, yes, because

697
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: I think both have their strong suits and I think

698
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: both have weaknesses. And I think Dylan Sees has proved

699
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: it a little bit longer, but that's just because he's

700
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: a little bit older. So I feel like at this point,

701
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: now we know about Dylan See's and Colby made a

702
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 3: really good point in the group chat. If he can

703
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 3: just cut the walks, he's one of the best pitchers

704
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: in baseball, and it's like not even that close. If

705
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: we're talking about stuff. He strikes out over thirteen guys

706
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: per nine inning. Nobody does that. I mean, Shan mclinan

707
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: does that, but barely. I mean, that's the type of

708
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: pitcher that Dylan ces can be. But the problem with

709
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: Dylan Seese is you look up in the sixth inning, Yeah,

710
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: he hasn't a lot of run, but he's at one

711
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: hundred and five pitches. You look up in the fifth inning,

712
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: has a lot of run, but he's at ninety eight pitches.

713
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: That's what we have to deal with all the time.

714
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: With Dylan Cees incredible stuff, high spin, fastball, elite curveball,

715
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: phenomenal slider. But man, dude, and you gets so many

716
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: swings and misses, oh that the pitches just rack up

717
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: two That's another thing. And with Alec Manoa on the

718
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: other side fourteen more innings than Dylan Cees so far

719
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: this year, Alec minoah doesn't strike out the amount of

720
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: hitters that Dylan Seese does, actually far less, but as

721
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: much better command. So looking at just peripherals this season,

722
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: Dylan ceese Is peripherals have performed better than Manoa, but

723
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 3: Alec Minoa's overall era so just what he has produced

724
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: has been better than Dylan Ce's two. So I, it's

725
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 3: so tough, it's so tough.

726
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: What would you go with? So I I would lean

727
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: Manoa for a couple of reasons, because I think you

728
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: set the stage perfectly, and honestly, I would expect that

729
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: the audience right now listening, half of them are leaning

730
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 2: one way, the other half is leaning the other way,

731
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: and they're both right, and they're both right. I have

732
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 2: zero issue with either. I would just play it safe

733
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: because it's so hard to find a young, controllable starter

734
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: that is is so talented, and like, just give me

735
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: the guy that's twenty four, six foot six, two hundred

736
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: and fifty pounds and goes deep into games. You laid

737
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: it out right. They both have sixteen starts. One of

738
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 2: them has eighty six innings pitched, the other one has

739
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: one hundred and a thirds innings pitched. And I think

740
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: Mana could even be stretched out more and more. Greed

741
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: yets we contact and also gets the swings and misses

742
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: when you need it. I love that because that that's

743
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: something that to me, like it's it's hard to teach that.

744
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: That's almost like a nuanced pitchability type of thing and

745
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: finding that balance. Like Sandiyel Contra, that's one thing I'm

746
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: really marveled at is he was never a high swing

747
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: and miss guy. He doesn't even call himself a strikeout pitcher.

748
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: When he needs the strikeouts, we'll get him. But he

749
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: wants to go deep into games. He wants to get

750
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: weak contact. He pitches the bottom of the zone and

751
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: he can balance the two. Dylan sees he's got to

752
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: strike you out. And and the biggest thing is Dylan

753
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: Cees's biggest competition in a start is himself. Yep, it's not.

754
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who's standing in the play at the plate,

755
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: they're more more than likely going to swing and miss.

756
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: It's really just his biggest competition is himself, and it

757
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 2: is interesting because he is definitely winning that competition overall.

758
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 2: But give me the safe guy with Manoa who throws strikes,

759
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: and really the el numbers, like you said, surface level

760
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: are pretty similar.

761
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 3: Listen to this point. I think it's harder to hit

762
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: Dylan Cease, but Alec Manoa might be a better pitcher,

763
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: if that makes sense.

764
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: No, totally makes sense, like totally makes sense.

765
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 3: One at that Dylan Cees is probably with stuff can

766
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: get that hitter out more often. But if I need

767
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 3: a long start, let's say the bullpen has been taxed,

768
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 3: I need Alec Manoa to give me seven or eight,

769
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: and I'm much more confident in that Dylan Cees can

770
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: give you. Kind of similar to the Shane McClanahan versus

771
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: the Sandy conversation, but with Sandy it's a little bit

772
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 3: different because he legit goes nine. And it was funny

773
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: when you say he's not a strike up picture but

774
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: he's still striking it.

775
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: Like Nyper, I know, he's so good. I mean, he's amazing.

776
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: But that's almost how I'm thinking about it, is that

777
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: Shane McClanahan, well, Shane mcclannon doesn't walk anybody, which is

778
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: also incredible. But these guys are relievers as starters. That's

779
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: the type of stuff that they have. But at the

780
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: end of the day, if I had to make a decision,

781
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 3: I'll take Alec Manoa. Yeah, I'll take Alec Manoa.

782
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: He's not. I'm disappointed.

783
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 3: I am because if Seas can limit the walks, he's

784
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: he's better. That's in my opinion. If the walks he's better,

785
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: that's it. But here's the thing, that's a big if.

786
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: And last year he looks like he made that step

787
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: in that direction, walked three point sixty nine per nine,

788
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: and then he's back up to four point one to

789
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: nine per nine.

790
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: I know, so which isn't gonna do him in.

791
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: But it's like, Okay, maybe this is who he is,

792
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: which is great, a really damn good pitcher. But Alec

793
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: Manoa might keep getting better. Man, this dude's twenty four exactly.

794
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: You know, he might develop his other stuff A little

795
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: bit more too. And I mean, we know the slider

796
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: is one of the best of baseball. The changeup keeps

797
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 2: getting better. Yeah, give me the twenty four year old

798
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: who's you know, can kind of stay on this trajectory.

799
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: And to that point. And to that point too. I

800
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: think we've talked about at the beginning of season A member,

801
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: why I said Alec Manoa is a Yankee killer. Ye,

802
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: Alec Manoa pitches in a much harder division. Yeah, talking

803
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 3: about the Red Sox, talking about the Yankees, even the

804
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: Orioles great offense too, and then the Rays. You know,

805
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: we make fun of them too, but he's talked Radies.

806
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: Is Jesus Christ reincarnated? Yeah, he's insane, terry the cover

807
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: off the ball. Of course, he came over from the Tigers.

808
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 3: He was like an extra throw in or basically kind

809
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: of you know blow. Yeah, and yet now he hits

810
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: third or fourth or he could hit wherever he wants.

811
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 3: The light up and he's been amazing. But that's also

812
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 3: another pro for Alec Manoa. He's facing tougher competition when

813
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: we look at the White Sox. You know, he has

814
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 3: to face the Twins, but the Guardians have their struggles offensively,

815
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 3: and if we're looking at the Royals and the Tigers,

816
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: you can make the argument those are two of the

817
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: worst offensive teams. Tigers have been performing much better lately,

818
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 3: but the Royals. I mean, he doesn't have to face

819
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 3: the same level of competition that Alec Manoa has day

820
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: in the day out. But then again, to that point

821
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 3: when the schedule changes next year, when you don't face

822
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: your division as much, maybe then that point becomes kind

823
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: of null and void. So it's just such an interesting.

824
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see how the numbers go. It'll

825
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: be interesting to see the numbers go when he doesn't

826
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 2: have to face some of the best lineups in baseball

827
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: so much more frequently. And I mean it feels like

828
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: Manoa's pitches against the Yankees every two weeks, So it

829
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: is it is interesting to see how that'll shake out

830
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: in the future. Uh, speaking of the future, we got

831
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: a similar type of question of who you would rather

832
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: have with two of the best young players in the game.

833
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: It's the question is from Braiden Odum on Instagram. It's

834
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: Braiden dot odam. For the next seven years, would you

835
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: rather have Bobby Wit Junior or O'Neil Cruise, and I mean,

836
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 2: man again, it's like, you can't go wrong a pair

837
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 2: of just insane shortstops. What is your answer on this one, Peter, I'm.

838
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: Gonna go out on a limb here, and I think

839
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: you can go wrong here. It has to be Bobby Witt. Oh,

840
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 3: Bobby Witt four is an all star, Dude. I'm watching

841
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: this guy play defense. Remember all, he played third for

842
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: a little bit and was pretty good and then he

843
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: slides over.

844
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: The short so I was so pissed. Phenomenal time.

845
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 3: We're talking about speed, like all of these crazy tools.

846
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: O'Neil Cruz has right six seven, He throws a hundred

847
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: across the diamond. He hits crazy power. Is Bobby Witt

848
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: not a tad below that? And yeah, probably a better

849
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: overall baseball player at his core. He's got a better

850
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: bat to ball Bobby would. Can you know a home

851
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,959
Speaker 3: run is great when he hits it when O'Neil Cruz

852
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: hits one, four to sixty, But a four hundred and

853
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 3: twenty foot home run still goes out of the ballpark. Two.

854
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: And if we're talking about speed, wits faster, it's wits

855
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 3: a better defender at shortstop than O'Neil Cruz is. And

856
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: if we're just looking at the history of baseball, we've

857
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: never seen a six foot seven shortstop. We've seen six

858
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: foot seven outfielders an Aaron Judge, and what has always

859
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: been Aaron Judges script is staying healthy. He's been healthy

860
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 3: all year and that's kind of an overblown narrative at

861
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: this point because he's really been healthy now for the

862
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: past couple of years. But there's always that, you know,

863
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: there's always that worry because O'Neil Cruz also plays with aggressively.

864
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: You know, he's stealing bags like there's there's always opportunities

865
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: playing shortstop, which is a much more demanding position than

866
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: at cornerilefield is especially in right field at Yankee Stadium,

867
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 3: where Aaron Judge is dealing with a short porch. Anyway,

868
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: so I think it has to be Bobby Wit. O'Neil

869
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: Cruz is very, very exciting, but it has to be

870
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 3: Bobby Wit. But I want to ask you again, Hulu

871
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: Rodrigez looks like the best player baseball.

872
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: He legit does right now, and it it it. I'll

873
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: get to that in a second. To answer this question, though,

874
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 2: for me, I would have. I wasn't even gonna blank

875
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: and say Bobby Witt, but I was kind of curious

876
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: to see what you what you would say, or maybe

877
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 2: what some other people would say. I can't say anybody

878
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: else because I ranked Bobby Witt junior ahead of O'Neil Cruz,

879
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: so I would just be a hypocrite that like changed

880
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: my mind after two weeks of baseball at the major

881
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: league level. The reason why is all the things that

882
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: you said right, like he does everything across the board,

883
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: and I mean we've seen already insane production. But the

884
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: craziest part about all of this is O'Neal Cruz has

885
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: been playing professional baseball since Bobby wit junior was, you know,

886
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: like a sophomore in high school, like a junior, like

887
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 2: he has so many more games under his belt. Bobby

888
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: Witt has hardly played in the minor leagues, you know,

889
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: really only played. He had thirty seven games in rookie

890
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: ball in twenty nineteen, no season in twenty twenty, then

891
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: played one hundred and twenty game season last year between

892
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: double and Triple A. And we know what he did

893
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: last year for the base balls, just destroyed baseballs in

894
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: his first professional season, now goes straight to the big leagues.

895
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: I mean, this is one of the faster tracks we've

896
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,479
Speaker 2: seen to the big leagues. And slow start, Like we said,

897
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: I warned everybody about the slow start happening. He has

898
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: been phenomenal since then. He's gonna probably finish twenty twenty

899
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: this year with elite defense as you mentioned, and just

900
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: all around good baseball player. Bobby Witt is safer and

901
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: I don't think you're giving up that much upside here.

902
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: This guy could still be a legit superstar speaking to

903
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 2: legit superstars. So Julio Rodriguez and his athleticism has really

904
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 2: just kind of broken through and shown a new dynamic

905
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: to his game. This guy is the runaway rookie of

906
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 2: the year and it's pretty frickin awesome to see what

907
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: he's doing. And that's gonna lead us into actually our

908
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: next question, Peter, because the next question is on the Mariners,

909
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: and you know we were asking where the Mariners have gone?

910
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: But you have one more thing to do, is.

911
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 3: One more thing to say. I'm just thinking in my head,

912
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 3: what is O'Neil Cruz better than Bobby wit.

913
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 2: At just just like hitting the ball harder.

914
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 3: I mean, come on. I mean, it doesn't matter. It

915
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 3: doesn't matter.

916
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 2: It only matters to a certain threshold.

917
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: Like Witt has been going through his struggles. He has

918
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: eleven home runs and twelve stone bases. This is the

919
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: thirty thirty guy, and you know the bat to ball

920
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 3: is going to improve because Bobby WIT's basically fourteen years old.

921
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 3: He's still super young.

922
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: You legitimately turned twenty or twenty two years old like

923
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 2: two weeks ago. And again, I think a professional baseball

924
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 2: baby as well in terms of you know, just games

925
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: under his belt.

926
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 3: Do you think, for example, when we're looking back at

927
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: their career, do you think O'Neil Cruz is gonna have

928
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: more career home runs than Bobby Whitwell.

929
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 2: I don't know that for a fact. No, I don't

930
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: think so.

931
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: So if we're talking about power the exit you lows, Yes,

932
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: I mean he O'Neil Cruz hit some of the hardest

933
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 3: baseballs I've ever seen.

934
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: But the questions, it's highlight reel like, yes, he will

935
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: make better highlights, I guess. Which is again every single

936
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: plus tool that that O'Neill has that we marvel about

937
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: it it's just it's just not alien asque but at

938
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: a certain level. It all kind of counts the same.

939
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 2: And like you know, like I said, like you said,

940
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: four hundred and sixty feet, Okay, Bobby Wits can hit

941
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: it four fifty. We've seen him do it. And in

942
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: terms of bax egsit you, well, Bobby Wits at ninety

943
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: third percentile in all of baseball at the big league

944
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: level right now, so and sprint speed. It's one of

945
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 2: the fastest guys in the game. So it's really under Yeah,

946
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: he's I mean, he's a Gold Glove caliber defender and

947
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: he's only going to get better and better. And he's

948
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 2: in infants when it comes to professional games under his belt.

949
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: Going to the Mariners, because while Bobby Witt would probably

950
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: win Rookie of the Year almost any other year with

951
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: the way he started starting to trend now and same

952
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: with probably Jeremy Panya, it's one of the most loaded

953
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 2: rookie classes we've seen it in a while. Juyo Rodriguez

954
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: gonna run away with it because he's stealing bags like

955
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: nobody's business. Now he's hitting like nobody's business. And the

956
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: craziest part is you will get scouting reports. You look

957
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: at what every evaluator was writing was I don't know

958
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: if he's gonna stick in center. He's gonna slow down

959
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: as he as he gets more thick. Probably a corner outfielder.

960
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 2: He's playing plus defensive center field. Right now, Mariners, all

961
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: of a sudden are looking a lot better, and he's

962
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: playing a huge part of that. The question comes from

963
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: Austin father, gil on Ig, who says, are the Mariners

964
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 2: now buyers with their recent run? They've been on a

965
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: nice stretch, and who do they go for? Also, I'm

966
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: a tunnel visioned Mariners fan, So what are some realistic

967
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: expectations for the rest of the season. We thought the

968
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: Mariners were gonna be good this year. Everyone thought the

969
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: Mariners were gonna be good this year. They started horribly.

970
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 2: They are now playing better. They are creeping into an

971
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: expanded wild card situation here, and they are getting healthy.

972
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: Ty Frant will be back soon enough. Mitch Hanneger will

973
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: hopefully be back before you know, too much time is gone.

974
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: I still think this team can can sneak in, man,

975
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:00,479
Speaker 2: I still think they can.

976
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: I don't. If I can be completely honest with you,

977
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: I think because I'm being just completely honest with you,

978
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: I know your tunnel vision Mariness fan, I hope you're

979
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 3: listening because you know, we were so pro Mariners, and

980
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 3: I still they're not a bad team, not a bad

981
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: team by any stretch of the imagination. But if I'm

982
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: trying to go into Jerry Depoto's mind, do you think

983
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: that Jerry Depoto sees this team and says, all right,

984
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: we have to be and win. Now this is the window.

985
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 3: I don't think that he's doing that. I think they're

986
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: going to make similar type moves. You know, when they

987
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: traded away you know who they traded Kendall Graveman, they

988
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 3: traded away Kenel Grayman, they added Diego Castillo. I think

989
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: they might make moves like that, and it's something that

990
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 3: you don't want to hear because as a Mariners fan,

991
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: you deserve better. But Hulu Rodriguez is just becoming what

992
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 3: I think Ronald Acunyu Junior is like. If we're talking

993
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 3: about who he reminds me of. I posted on Twitter

994
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: and I wanted to kind of get your thoughts on

995
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 3: this too. I think he reminds me of Ronald Kuney

996
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 3: Junior's power, he's got the speed, he's got great defense.

997
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 3: That's who he reminds.

998
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 2: Me of I think it's very similar.

999
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: But with the Mariners, you know, they get good outings

1000
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: from guys like Marco Gonzalez and like the some good

1001
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 3: outings from Chris Flexen. You know when Logan Gilbert has

1002
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: really taken that next step. But by the numbers, the

1003
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 3: numbers are expecting Logan Gilbert to regress when we talk

1004
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 3: about XCR, when we talk about FIP, when we talk

1005
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: about x FIP, those numbers are pointing to a regression

1006
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 3: for Logan Gilbert. I don't necessarily think that's going to happen.

1007
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: I think he might regress slightly, but I still think

1008
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: he's a really good pitcher too. There's just you know,

1009
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: when they've been doing this without Ty Frantz, which is

1010
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 3: also phenomenal too. But at the end of the day,

1011
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: there's We've named a lot of good teams in the

1012
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: American League when we were talking earlier, the Mariners are

1013
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 3: not as good as any of those teams. I would

1014
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: even venture to say the Mariners are not as good

1015
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: as the White Sox. I would venture to say they're

1016
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 3: not as good as the Guardians. And you know, the

1017
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: fucking Angels are so annoying. I know, like when push

1018
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: comes to shove, you might take the show. Hal Tony

1019
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: and Mike Trupp team. I mean, at the end of

1020
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: the day, I'm not saying I just I don't think

1021
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 3: that the Mariners will sneak in and because I don't

1022
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: know if the window is fully open yet.

1023
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: That's that's the only problem is. I actually think the

1024
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: Mariners are gonna play good baseball, and I think they

1025
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: finish above five hundred, and I think you're gonna finish strong.

1026
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 2: The problem is the size of the window, right That's

1027
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 2: my concern is I think they're gonna play decent ball,

1028
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: but are these Al East teams gonna really relent? I

1029
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 2: think the only way is if that Toronto worst case scenario,

1030
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: which I think is a very possible worst case scenario happens.

1031
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: If Toronto falls out, and I'll give you the wild

1032
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 2: card kind of picture right now, then a spot opens up,

1033
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: because as you and I both said, we both think

1034
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: Tampa's gonna hang in there. As it stands right now

1035
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: in the AL wild Card, it's Boston and first in

1036
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: the wildcard spot two games above Toronto. Then Toronto a

1037
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: half game up on Tampa Bay for the final spot.

1038
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: Two and a half games out is Cleveland, three and

1039
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: a half games out of Seattle. Four games out is

1040
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: the Chicago White Sox. I agree, I think Cleveland is

1041
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a complete team. If they

1042
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 2: go get a bat, I would lean Cleveland over over Seattle.

1043
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: But if Toronto starts to scuffle a little bit, that's

1044
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: maybe the only way I could see a window really

1045
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: opening up. And that's a big if. I mean, I

1046
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 2: know where we're a little worried. They've lost four straight.

1047
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: That's still a really good team. I don't know if

1048
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 2: I see them totally falling apart. I like the Mariners

1049
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: just because the fact that they are kind of, oh,

1050
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: I've right now, despite all of their adversity, despite all

1051
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 2: of the things kind of going poorly for them, from losing,

1052
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: you know, even guys like Casey Sadler and the bullpen

1053
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: and getting guys like Penn Murphy stepping up. I think

1054
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: George Kirby is gonna bounce back after a rough outing

1055
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: and continue to be a good arm for them. Diego

1056
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: Castillo has been bad for them. You talk about Gilbert's regression,

1057
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: I definitely see that, But then I also see Robbie

1058
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 2: Ray kind of ticking it back up again. So it's

1059
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: they're in a really interesting spot. But to your point,

1060
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: I thought had the same thought process when I read

1061
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: these questions before we started recording, and it's what is

1062
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: what does Jerry Depoto do because you don't want to

1063
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: mortgage the future right now, right like you're building something

1064
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 2: sustainable here. Yes, they want to win now, but nothing

1065
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: that they've done is said like push all the chips forward.

1066
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: Even that the Auhannio Suarez Jesse Winker deal, Yes, they

1067
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: gave up two good pitching prospects, but those were guys

1068
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: they would have had to find forty man roster spots

1069
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: for me, So it was one of the the heck

1070
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: had to make a deal at some point because they

1071
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: have so much forty man talent. I don't think they're

1072
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 2: gonna be overly aggressive, but I do think they're gonna

1073
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: play better ball with the current roster. Like it's Jesse

1074
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: Winker gonna be this bad. No, I just there's no

1075
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: way right and Jay Rod's gonna keep doing what he's doing.

1076
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be better and similar to the Phillies,

1077
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 2: I think they're almost the al version of the Phillies.

1078
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 2: I don't know if they get in, but they're gonna

1079
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: hang around and they're gonna play good ball, and I

1080
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: think that's all you can really ask for, given some

1081
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: of the adversity they've faced.

1082
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 3: I think the Mariners are gonna win eighty three games

1083
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 3: and I don't think that's enough to make the playoffs.

1084
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 3: Above five hundred. Still a good team, but just not

1085
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 3: a playoff team. And I think Jerry knows that. And

1086
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 3: you know, you could say whatever you want about Jerry Depoto,

1087
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: the fact that you know, maybe he hasn't done enough

1088
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 3: to really make this team legit, but he sees a

1089
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 3: farm system that's top five and they're not five, and

1090
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 3: they're not four. I mean, that's how good this Mariner's

1091
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 3: farm system is. For the next five years, the Mariners

1092
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 3: are going to be one of the better teams in

1093
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 3: the American League. But right now, in Julio's rookie year,

1094
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: George Kirby is brand new. A lot of these guys,

1095
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 3: I mean, Matt Brash came up and he didn't have

1096
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: a good start, but we still think that he's going

1097
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: to be a good pitcher. And maybe it's not this year,

1098
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 3: maybe next year he comes out and he's great, Kirby

1099
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 3: takes that next step, and then you still have Gilbert

1100
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 3: who's amazing, and then Ray is you know, it's funny. Oh,

1101
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 3: Jack was like damn it with Ray. I mean Ray

1102
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 3: is still like That's what I always thought with Robbi Ray,

1103
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 3: that he's not just gonna fall off a cliff and

1104
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 3: be Arizona Robbie Ray again and just sucks. He's still

1105
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 3: he learns something. He's still a good pitcher. I agree,

1106
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 3: and we've seen its.

1107
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 2: Under his belt already this year too. He's kind of

1108
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: an innings heter.

1109
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 3: He is an innings heater, and he's been pitching. He's

1110
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: been pitching very well, but he's not getting the same

1111
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 3: amount of case. He's more pitching into contact, which is

1112
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 3: more interesting, which is good for him. But that's kind

1113
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 3: of where I stand on the Mariners. I think they're

1114
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 3: a good team when we look at the American League.

1115
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 3: I don't think they're a playoff team, and I think

1116
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: Jerry knows.

1117
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: That they will be soon though. I think we all

1118
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 2: agree on that. You know, we're going to see Julio

1119
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 2: kind of take that next leap.

1120
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 3: What are they going to do for Lewis?

1121
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: Yes, guys, he's unbelievable. I think he's been one of

1122
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: the best players in baseball over the last several weeks.

1123
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 3: Ninety seventh percent tile in max exit be low, so

1124
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 3: he hits the ball harder than ninety seven percent his

1125
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 3: max exit ve low. And if we're talking about average,

1126
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: he's in the ninety first percent hel too, So he's

1127
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 3: in the top ninth percentile in all of baseball of

1128
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 3: how hard he hits the ball, and he's in the

1129
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: ninety second percentile. And I heard a hit rate. If

1130
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 3: we're talking about outs above average, he is in the

1131
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 3: ninety third percentile, So by that stat he is one

1132
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 3: of the best defenders in the outfield in the sport.

1133
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 3: Talking about sprint speed, how fast is he the ninety

1134
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: seventh percentile in sprint speed. He is going to be

1135
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 3: an MVP in this league. I think he's going to

1136
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 3: be a multiple time MVP in this league. I think

1137
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 3: we're going to look at our top ten overall players

1138
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 3: when we rank maybe at the end of the season,

1139
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 3: and think to ourselves, there's not that many players more

1140
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 3: talented than Juli Rodriguez. And that was always why he

1141
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 3: was my number one prospect, just like in my because

1142
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: it was Wit. I mean Wit, Adley, They're all right there,

1143
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 3: but I was like, you put a gun in my head,

1144
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 3: Like I keep saying, who would I choose? He is

1145
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 3: just such a freak of nature. It's incredible. He is

1146
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 3: so but that gets those Bobby Wood, I mean, these

1147
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: guys are so good. There's great and even athletes pretty

1148
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 3: much better too.

1149
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: But he's raking now. As of late, they're all gonna

1150
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 2: be unritten and that is why baseball is in such

1151
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: a good spot. I was talking about this with a

1152
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 2: couple of guys in pro ball and like they were

1153
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: like baseball at the major league level has never really

1154
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: seen this kind of influx of talent guys, and the

1155
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: miners are even talking about it, like there is a

1156
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: really good spot for major League Baseball to be in

1157
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: right now. And these stars are marketable too, I mean,

1158
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 2: Julio's got, you know, that kind of marketability to them.

1159
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: I think Bobby wits fun, I think Adley's fun. There's

1160
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: a lot of really good, fun and entertaining players and

1161
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: it's gonna be interesting to see, you know, how each

1162
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 2: of them develop. Because Julio Rodriguez is a guy that

1163
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 2: has hit at every freaking stop as well, all the

1164
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 2: way back since twenty eighteen in rookie ball and gotten

1165
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: better and better and better and better at each level

1166
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 2: and also has taken his physicality to the next level.

1167
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: As we mentioned, are other guys gonna kind of draw

1168
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 2: some inspiration from that? Or is Julio just just a

1169
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: freak of all freaks? It's really interesting to see, you know,

1170
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 2: what kind of tone set or he can be for

1171
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 2: some of these other prospects that at the top. Now,

1172
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: and speaking of prospects, this is probably one of my

1173
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: favorite questions we got and this comes from d Hills

1174
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: on Twitter. It's d h I l s.

1175
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 3: On shut Out d Hills. He asked a lot of

1176
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 3: really good questions. He's always in this mail bag because

1177
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 3: he asked some of the best questions that we ever get.

1178
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 3: So I appreciate you, d Hills.

1179
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 2: If Peter Jack and harm were prospects, who would have

1180
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 2: the best hit field, power arm and speed tool? Great

1181
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: question I.

1182
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 3: Want to hear. I want to hear you say that,

1183
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 3: I'll give mine.

1184
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So is this pre like is this pre

1185
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: injury or or posts? Don't think it makes a difference

1186
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 2: for me, honestly, because I'll give Jack the no on

1187
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 2: arm given that he's the pitcher.

1188
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 3: Uh and also my elbow blue, Your elbow literally exploded,

1189
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 3: so you're out on that. And just and just a

1190
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 3: little bit about me for anybody listening. I was, you know,

1191
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 3: I played high school baseball and we were all like

1192
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 3: good baseball players, but I was, you know, I had

1193
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 3: a preferred walk on spot to the University of Nevada

1194
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 3: because I had a great senior season. But the reason

1195
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: I didn't take it, well, first, have you ever been

1196
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 3: to Reno, Nevada. It sucks. I mean, you know, shout

1197
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 3: out University of Nevada. Good school. But I wasn't going

1198
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 3: to Reno Nevada because my arm was going to explode.

1199
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I broke my media epicondo first year, freshman

1200
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 3: year of high school throwing a pitch, fell to the ground,

1201
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 3: rushed into surgery. They said I wasn't going to throw again.

1202
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: I was like, screw that, Yeah I am. So I

1203
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 3: came back and I was able to play and had

1204
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: that great senior season. But at the end of the day,

1205
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 3: like my arm was going to explode, like it was,

1206
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 3: I could go play college baseball. But I knew I

1207
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 3: was going to I knew I wasn't gonna make it. It's

1208
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 3: just like my arm was falling apart. So I'm giving

1209
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 3: the arm to Jack.

1210
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, arm to Jack. I had laboram surgery. I had

1211
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 2: a similar situation where.

1212
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 3: It was and why we didn't make the major League's arm.

1213
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the only reason, read a liberal. The

1214
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 2: only reason why I didn't play the Liberal Arts school

1215
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: in the Northeast was was my laboram situation. Not like

1216
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a classic like Uncle Rico type of thing,

1217
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 2: but it's true. And I would say Field, I'm gonna

1218
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: give myself Field. I I pride myself on my defense.

1219
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: My dad raised me, you're gonna play every position because

1220
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: that's how you stay in the lineup. And I did that.

1221
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give myself Field. You got it. You gotta

1222
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: get power. I mean, you're stronger than Jack, and I

1223
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: for sure give you power. Speed. You've you've admitted that

1224
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: you're swow as ship.

1225
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a fifteen grade runner, like I broke

1226
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 3: the scale of being shitty.

1227
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: And I'm burning. I'm burning four eyes, so I'm from

1228
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 2: vaking speed. So hit tool, you hit three seventy your

1229
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: senior year. So I'm gonna give you hit tool. Uh,

1230
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: it was too mental. So I think you got hit tool.

1231
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: I got Field, you got power, Jack gets Arm and

1232
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: then speed Jack and I race to determine.

1233
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 3: I bet you're faster than Jack. Jack. If you're listening,

1234
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 3: I bet Arm would beat you in a race. Sharps

1235
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 3: if there was a sharp betting Sharps are on armed.

1236
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 2: Sure, I want to see what the line is that

1237
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: on that one? What's the line on me versus Jack?

1238
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: Speed Wise?

1239
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 3: I would say your minus one fifty five. You got

1240
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 3: a lot of juice. But I'm willing to lay one

1241
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 3: point five to five units on you. I think it's

1242
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 3: I would I think I think you'd win. Sorry, Jack,

1243
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 3: get faster, kid.

1244
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and start running a little bit, buddy. Uh. Last question,

1245
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 2: which team needs Luis Castillo or tap Tyler Molly the most? Also?

1246
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: I hope they don't attach Mike Mustakus to one of

1247
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: those deals that comes from Team Captain with a K

1248
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: zero eight on Twitter?

1249
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 3: First you got, I mean, why wouldn't you want to

1250
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 3: attach Mike Mustakas.

1251
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 2: They're assuming that attaching Mustakus in his shitty contract will

1252
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 2: lessen the prospect return that makes they want to maximize

1253
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: prospect return, which I get because they already did the

1254
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: the attached thing right they dumped a Juhennio Suarez hold

1255
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: onto Moose. Just deal with it. It's not that much longer.

1256
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: I would say the Jays need Luis Castillo as bad

1257
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: as anybody in baseball. Right now. I would have said

1258
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: the Twins maybe two weeks ago. You talk about Barrios's situation.

1259
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 2: Now we talk about Gosmin. I think the Blue Jays

1260
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 2: need Alis Cacio or Tyler Malley more than anybody.

1261
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 3: It's the Blue Jays, it's the Twins. You know, if

1262
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 3: the Phillies really want to go for it, the Phillies

1263
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 3: need another guy like him, you know. And it's and

1264
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 3: I don't think they can do it. You know, you

1265
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 3: know who needs them. And I wouldn't be shocked, None

1266
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: of us would be shocked. The Los Angeles Daughters need him.

1267
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 3: Walker Buehler went down. I know, it's like God damn it, right,

1268
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 3: I mean, just you know, got just showed a little

1269
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: praise on the Dodgers. You know, they went down with

1270
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 3: Walker Bueller and Julia Rius has been great, and Clint

1271
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 3: Kershaw has been great and twenty Gonsolin has been great,

1272
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 3: but Dustin May is going to come back, which is,

1273
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Speaker 3: you know, phenomenal for them. But I you know, I

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Speaker 3: was talking with her guy Dustin. I just think Dustin

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Speaker 3: May should be a reliever. I don't know if I

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Speaker 3: with that arm action, I mean, he just throws crazy.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know if that's gonna last in a

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Speaker 3: rotation for a long time. And I think he could

1279
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Speaker 3: be one of the best closers in baseball, I really do.

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Speaker 3: If they put him back their one hundred, they use

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Speaker 3: him as a swingman, maybe coming in the fifth, cover

1282
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Speaker 3: the seventh, use him as a weapon, because that's where

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Speaker 3: I think he'd be the most effective. He can still

1284
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Speaker 3: be a great starter, clearly because his stuff is insane.

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Speaker 3: He's throwing ninety nine hour turbo sinkers. He looks like

1286
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Speaker 3: Blake Trin And if you put him as a starter

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Speaker 3: in six innings, that's the kind of arm that he has.

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Speaker 3: But the Dodgers need him.

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Speaker 2: And it's also to assume that you're gonna get like,

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Speaker 2: just just instantly get Dustin May ready to pitch every

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Speaker 2: fifth day and can skin it. And you don't even

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Speaker 2: know if Kershaw is going to stay healthy like he

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Speaker 2: keeps kind of being in and out, in and out,

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Speaker 2: in and out. Yeah, and they can make a trade

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Speaker 2: for anybody.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, And I mean, dude, they got Trey Turner and

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Speaker 2: Max Scherz Or I'd argue they needed them less last

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Speaker 2: year seriously than they do now. I think the Dodgers

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Speaker 2: are going to go.

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Speaker 3: Crazy at the deadline because just this is gonna suck

1302
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Speaker 3: to hear. Yeah, tell them about the system, tell the people.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you them. Yeah, I can tell you they

1304
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: could trade for anybody they want without touching one of

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Speaker 2: their top three or four prospects. Basically, that's what the

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Speaker 2: Dodgers can do. And it's funny because the Yankees, the

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Speaker 2: Yankees are like in a really good spot and the

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Speaker 2: Dodgers are still just kind of like, hap, you know,

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Speaker 2: we've got even more and there's another one where they're

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Speaker 2: already rumored to be, you know, looking at those guys.

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Speaker 2: And the problem is those two teams, the Yankees and

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers, I think can kind of outfit anybody. And

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Speaker 2: the J's would have to be willing to part with

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Speaker 2: one of their top top top prospects to do so.

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Speaker 2: And not only will they probably have to do that

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01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 2: just to keep them away from the Yankees, they might

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01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: just have to do a period, So that might be

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Speaker 2: what happens. I think the Jays almost doubly need to

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Speaker 2: do it because if they don't, the freaking Yankees might

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Speaker 2: do it. And and that's like, it's similar to the

1321
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: Padre situation last year, where not only the Padres not

1322
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 2: get Schurzer after the reportory that they were gonna get Schirser,

1323
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 2: the Dodgers got them. So it was like the worst

1324
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 2: case scenario. That is what I could see here too.

1325
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Speaker 2: So my short answer is I think the Blue Jays

1326
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 2: need them worse than anybody, But I agree all those

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Speaker 2: other teams are don't need them as bad, but they're

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Speaker 2: definitely gonna be calling blue Jays are my number one.

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Speaker 3: I would also agree the Blue Jays are my number

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Speaker 3: one team too. I have a mail bag question for you. Okay,

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01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 3: if you are the Blue Jays and you're in this

1332
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 3: situation right now, with how good all Hundra Kirk is,

1333
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Speaker 3: would you trade gabral Moreno for Luis Castillo. It's so tough.

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01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 3: I lean no, still, I lean no still, But do

1335
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Speaker 3: you I guess the main part of the question is

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Speaker 3: do you think the Blue Jays would be desperate enough.

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Speaker 2: To do it?

1338
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 3: Such a tough question.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so, just because I would rather just

1340
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 2: go get Tyler Molly.

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01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 3: Then yeah. I mean, for example, like there's someone at

1342
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Speaker 3: Gallon require game of Moreno, I don't think so, right, No,

1343
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 3: hell no, okay, I don't think.

1344
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: So, so I would. Yeah, it is like you'd have

1345
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 2: to give it pause just because you know, Luis Castillo

1346
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 2: can really help you. But at the end of the day,

1347
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 2: Las Castillo's not Max Schers, you know, Luis Castillo is not.

1348
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 2: But he's a top fifteen pitcher in the game.

1349
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 3: He's really good. He's really probably top twenty twenty five.

1350
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 2: Healthy when he's read, absolutely he's disgusting. Moreno, I think

1351
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 2: can be so special. And yeah, it's just.

1352
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 3: Because they have all one hundred cry if they would

1353
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 3: just bring up game of Moreno and he was the

1354
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 3: catcher of the future, would be like, of course, you

1355
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 3: never do it. It's just because they have like the

1356
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 3: best catcher in the American League right now. Yeah, you know,

1357
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 3: it's like they just they have this infux and they

1358
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 3: also have Danny Jansen who's who's proven that he could

1359
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 3: be a really reliable backup. I think Danny Jensen is

1360
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 3: one of the best backup catchers in baseball. So they

1361
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,919
Speaker 3: just have all these guys.

1362
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Speaker 2: Do you think they can win the World Series with

1363
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Speaker 2: Luis Castillo?

1364
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 3: I mean they'd be right there. I mean anything could happen.

1365
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 3: They make the playoffs and anything can happen. And if

1366
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 3: Gosman doesn't fall off this cliff and now you have

1367
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 3: Manah Gosman Castillo. I mean, that's a trio that you

1368
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 3: do not want to face. Yeah, not want to face.

1369
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 2: I'm you know how I am With Moreno. It would

1370
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 2: be tough. But I think it's a great question, and

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01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 2: I wonder what Jays fans think if Jays fans would

1372
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 2: part with him. So let us know, tweet at us

1373
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 2: on just bb media, if you would part with Gabriel

1374
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 2: Moreno to go get Luis Castillo could almost be straight

1375
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 2: up at that point. I mean, I don't even think

1376
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 2: you have to give up much else at that point.

1377
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 2: So that was our last question, Peter, any other final

1378
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 2: thoughts you have as we wind down the episode.

1379
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm trying to make up a mock trade, right,

1380
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 3: now that could include Gabriel Moreno in a deal for

1381
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 3: Luis Castillo, because what they would need. I'm just looking

1382
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 3: at this Reds bullpen. It's just not that good.

1383
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 2: But like who Jeff Hoffman, Yeah, Like.

1384
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 3: I mean russtet Weller, I mean who from this Red's bullpen. Yeah,

1385
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 3: there's I mean, no one that's gonna move you. No,

1386
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 3: no one's no one's moving this. God, this reads bullpen

1387
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 3: sucks seeing them, but I mean, yeah, there's nobody.

1388
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 2: I mean there's no up.

1389
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:22,439
Speaker 3: But like Sessa hasn't performed that well this year, He's

1390
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 3: like more of a starter.

1391
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine that Jay is doing it,

1392
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 2: and I think if they would, they would have done

1393
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 2: it by now. So it's going to be interesting to

1394
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 2: see how it all shakes out. They are going to

1395
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 2: make a move, though, and I wonder what that move

1396
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 2: is going to be because they do have a ton

1397
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: of infield prospects. Jordan Grossen's I don't really see where

1398
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 2: he fits in long term. So maybe that's a move

1399
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 2: that they make for Tyln Maley or something like that

1400
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: and a little bit less dramatic, and Molly might pitch

1401
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 2: really well in a different environment. We know his home

1402
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 2: road splits, so it could be very interesting. Any final

1403
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: thoughts as we plug the socials.

1404
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 3: I think the Yankee these are scared me a little

1405
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 3: bit because I know, you know, we talked about the

1406
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 3: Astros and how good they are. That's the only thing.

1407
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 3: I've just watched the Yankees for these next couple of weeks. Okay,

1408
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 3: I'm even like talking to you too, like they're not.

1409
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 3: I mean, they just lost to Pittsburgh today and Jose Cantana,

1410
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 3: which you know I've bet on the Yankees and I

1411
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 3: never bet on the Yankees. And the reason why I

1412
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 3: was like that, I mean, this is bread and butter Yankees,

1413
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 3: and I's going to return back to Pittsburgh thought he

1414
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 3: put together a good outing. The legit opposite happened. You know.

1415
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 3: As much as we love Nestor, is Nestor going one

1416
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty innings this year. Severino is a guy

1417
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 3: who has had injury concerns throughout his career. Jay Mott

1418
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,959
Speaker 3: is solid, John Montgomery, and then we have Garrett Cole.

1419
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 3: Just watch this starting rotation too. The Yankees are not

1420
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 3: as impenetrable as I feel like. The allure still is

1421
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 3: out there and that's coming from a Yankee fan who

1422
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:55,439
Speaker 3: watches what changed.

1423
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 2: We were like, they're the best team ever three weeks.

1424
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 3: Two weeks ago, well they were they legit looked like

1425
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 3: the best team ever. Two weeks. They just don't lose.

1426
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 3: But that's the Yankees, right They go through the ups

1427
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 3: and downs, and maybe again, maybe I'm overthinking this because

1428
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 3: I have always expected the Yankees to kind of go

1429
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 3: through some walls, and maybe this is when it's starting

1430
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 3: to come. So all I'm saying is, watch the Yankees

1431
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 3: for the next couple of weeks and and tell me

1432
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 3: they're the best team of all time, because it's it's

1433
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 3: hard to look at them right now and say they're

1434
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 3: even the best team in the American League. I have

1435
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 3: to be honest.

1436
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: The Astros. It is amazing how good the Astros look

1437
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: right now.

1438
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 3: Ile Tucker hits six, he's like a top dead.

1439
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 2: Player, and Jordon's starting to look like one of the

1440
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 2: best hitters in baseball period. And of course, the Yankees

1441
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 2: have the best hitter in baseball right now and areon Judge,

1442
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 2: but I don't know if he is. He's twenty three

1443
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 2: right now, I.

1444
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 3: Don't know if he is. That's what I'm saying, is

1445
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 3: Aaron Judge the best hitter in the American League right now?

1446
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 3: Better in yourdon I don't know.

1447
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: We'll see. It'll be interesting because he's playing like on

1448
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 2: a different level.

1449
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 3: Can he suspend he's a better player if we're talking

1450
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 3: about just pure hitter, because I mean Jordon the WRC,

1451
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 3: plus I mean Aaron Judge has more home runs. But

1452
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 3: basically Aaron.

1453
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 2: Judge dh though I think he would. I think you

1454
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 2: would do great.

1455
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 3: You're probably right, You're probably right. But maybe fielding helps him.

1456
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 3: Like even Stanton, when he plays in the field, he

1457
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 3: hits better. It's weird then and then like a guy

1458
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 3: like Wilson charts when he dhes hits way better than

1459
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 3: when he catches. Yeah, it's weird baseball.

1460
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 2: That's usually most guys. They love it. Baseball guys love it.

1461
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 2: But if you're hitting bad, dhing kind of sucks because

1462
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 2: you got to think about it a little bit more.

1463
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 2: Anything we have coming up, I I just dropped. Oh,

1464
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 2: I guess people can check out now. I just dropped.

1465
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Speaker 2: If you're listening. By the time you're listening to this,

1466
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Speaker 2: Rocky's top ten prospects actually a much improved system. I

1467
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 2: know your initial thought would be like, ah, shit, at Rockies,

1468
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 2: why do I care? Really sick middle infielders in there?

1469
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 2: Actually that I had a blast riding up putting at

1470
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Speaker 2: a lamidor Ezekiel Tovar some other interesting names. Zach Beeen

1471
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 2: is a freak. Uh wrote up that system. I'll be

1472
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Speaker 2: answering questions in our chalkboard group all day in the

1473
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: Prospect channel. Uh, just kind of answering any questions you

1474
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 2: have on the Rocky system and any of my write

1475
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 2: ups and thoughts on that. That's all I got. I

1476
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 2: know you usually plug the chalkboard, so I built that

1477
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Speaker 2: one in for you, any of the things you got.

1478
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Speaker 3: So Unfortunately, so I've been traveling a bunch, so I

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Speaker 3: haven't been able to do some Prize Picks Twitter spaces

1480
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Speaker 3: in the past couple of days. But we've been very,

1481
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Speaker 3: very good this entire season on prize picks, and if

1482
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Speaker 3: you use code just baseball, they will fully match or

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Speaker 3: deposit on prize picks. And you know we love playing

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Speaker 3: daily fantasy. That's what prize Picks is. We have this

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Speaker 3: entire Prize Picks Twitter space on my Twitter at Peter

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Speaker 3: Apple twenty three where the big the big thing is

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Speaker 3: it's like, if I give out five picks, it's very

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Speaker 3: unlikely that I'm going to go five for five all

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Speaker 3: the time. So why it's been so great is we

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Speaker 3: get the baseball community together and everybody gives their best

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Speaker 3: their one best pick, and we've been very good this year.

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Speaker 3: So if you want to join in, it's really fun.

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Speaker 3: You don't even have to play it, but just to

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Speaker 3: hear kind of the analysis. It's really cool hearing from

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Speaker 3: a bunch of different fans across a bunch of different

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Speaker 3: teams talk about the pulse of this player on their team.

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Speaker 3: It's a really fun time. And if you do want

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Speaker 3: to play along with us, might as well use some

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Speaker 3: free money with price picks, right, if they'll fully match

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Speaker 3: your deposit, use the free money. And if you don't

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Speaker 3: like it, no worries, because I love it. It's very

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Speaker 3: fun and everybody who's been joining says how much fun.

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Speaker 2: It's for every spot too fun too, So it's for

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Speaker 2: every sport as well. Fall basketball says fand it for

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Speaker 2: the hot dog getting contest. Even you can take the

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Speaker 2: over unders player props all that stuff, and it's probably

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Speaker 2: one of the easier parlay type things you can do

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Speaker 2: because you can pick any player prop you want. So

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of it from a coach just baseball.

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Speaker 2: Go check that out links in the description and with that,

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Speaker 2: Peter

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Speaker 3: Thank you everybody.