Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 2: In Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, congratulations to
Speaker 2: the Florida Gators. Buck Sexton and I both nailed it,
Speaker 2: said the Florida Gators are going to win the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 2: They did in a really fun game last night. We'll
Speaker 2: maybe have a little bit of fun with that. Buck's wife, Carrie,
Speaker 2: is a Florida Gator alum, and I know many of
Speaker 2: you out there listening across the country are Gator fans
Speaker 2: as well, Houston Cougar fans.
Speaker 1: Probably great season.
Speaker 2: Probably not going to be as angry at me today
Speaker 2: and the talkbacks as they were yesterday. Since Florida one
Speaker 2: covered as I told you they were going to do,
Speaker 2: we'll have some fun with that. We also will continue
Speaker 2: to be CNBC and Fox Business. Since everybody is suddenly
Speaker 2: obsessed with what the day to day movement of the
Speaker 2: stock market is, let me go ahead and tell you
Speaker 2: right off the top.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: The Dow is up roughly one thousand points today. For
Speaker 2: those of you who have been obsessively following the stock
Speaker 2: market during the Trump battle, S and P five hundred
Speaker 2: up about two and a half points two and a
Speaker 2: half percent, that is, and the NASDAC up about two
Speaker 2: and a half percent. So I am your business a
Speaker 2: business beat writer here giving you the absolute latest on
Speaker 2: the stock market. In all seriousness, stock market is bouncing
Speaker 2: back quite a lot, as we told you it was
Speaker 2: likely to do. And I saw Buck something that I
Speaker 2: thought kind of perfectly epitomized the way the market is
Speaker 2: being used to attack Trump right now. CNN yesterday, when
Speaker 2: the stock market was down, had the stock market ticker
Speaker 2: on their screen constantly all day long. Hey it's down, this,
Speaker 2: it's down that Today the stock market is surging, going
Speaker 2: to have one of its best days in probably months,
Speaker 2: maybe years. And CNN at the time that I was
Speaker 2: watching it not have the ticker showing that it was
Speaker 2: back up substantially. But again general lesson here. They are
Speaker 2: going to use whatever they can to attack Trump. The
Speaker 2: stock market is going to go up, and it's going
Speaker 2: to go down. I told you if it's below where
Speaker 2: it is today eighteen months from now, and if the
Speaker 2: inflation is up, I'll come on and I'll wear a
Speaker 2: clown costume and I'll tell you, hey, you know what,
Speaker 2: I was totally wrong. I think it's going to resolve itself.
Speaker 2: I think by the summer, many of these trade disputes
Speaker 2: will be decided. The battle with China is going to
Speaker 2: be longer lasting because China has been for decades now
Speaker 2: taking advantage of the global free trade marketplace to rig
Speaker 2: it game in its favor, and it will take a
Speaker 2: long time, I think, to potentially get a resolution there.
Speaker 2: But we told you at some point water is going
Speaker 2: to find its level. The markets have seemingly adjusted to
Speaker 2: this trade war that is now underway. Big drops Thursday, Friday,
Speaker 2: big bounce back today, and we will see kind of
Speaker 2: how this plays out. But I think you should know
Speaker 2: that the main attack here is just find anything that
Speaker 2: is negative and decide to use it as a cudgel
Speaker 2: against Trump. Other news today, Buck's last radio show as tomorrow.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be on tomorrow too, Yeah, yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 1: Thought you were out. I thought you were out my
Speaker 1: last full day. And for those of you are saying, like,
Speaker 1: how do you know it could happen, Yes, it could happen,
Speaker 1: like in five minutes. Let's let's hope. K not because
Speaker 1: I'm the middle of the show, but I would go
Speaker 1: with my wife at the hospital. But because the baby's
Speaker 1: gotten a little big the doctors would like us to induce.
Speaker 1: So that's why you were inducing tomorrow. But you're gonna
Speaker 1: be on the show tomorrow. I'm gonna be on the show, Toro.
Speaker 1: I'm finishing the show tomorrow, grabbing my go bag with
Speaker 1: the wifey going to the hospital.
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought you were at the hospital tomorrow. Okay,
Speaker 2: So Buck has one more show.
Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna do a live segment from the hospital
Speaker 1: during the they'd like, yes, Clay. Here, I am seventh
Speaker 1: floor of the Miami the sideline reporter of the baby delivery. Okay,
Speaker 1: I thought today was the last day You'll be in
Speaker 1: tomorrow and then the baby is scheduled to arrive. So
Speaker 1: Buck in his final moments of getting ready for a
Speaker 1: baby to arrive. All right, what's your take as we
Speaker 1: sit here in the stock market does as the stock
Speaker 1: market does bounce back, how many days in a row
Speaker 1: do you think it would need to bounce back for
Speaker 1: the latest? Oh my goodness, the world is burning down.
Speaker 1: Remember when it was the first term, everything Trump did
Speaker 1: world War three would trend, you know he would. And
Speaker 1: when he killed Solimani, it was immediately every decision that
Speaker 1: he made was in some way going to lead to
Speaker 1: imminent catastrophe, and then by and large none of that occurred.
Speaker 1: And the one thing that actually caused the biggest calamity
Speaker 1: was something he was not responsible for at all, which
Speaker 1: was COVID escaping from a Chinese lab in you know,
Speaker 1: January of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: And now that sort of set the whole world on fire.
Speaker 2: But Trump had nothing at all to do with having
Speaker 2: caused it in any way, unless you want to say, hey,
Speaker 2: Fauci had something to do with it from years and
Speaker 2: years ago, which I think is fair based on gain
Speaker 2: of function research. But you would think that people would
Speaker 2: have learned their lesson. But they just have to run
Speaker 2: around these left wingers and many of their legacy media
Speaker 2: allies as if we are in the midst of an
Speaker 2: unprecedented catastrophe over and over again, and the catastrophe is
Speaker 2: constantly shifting. The signal leaked Jeffrey Goldberg Atlantic story was
Speaker 2: gonna burn everything down. Now that's completely gone, and the
Speaker 2: new thing is, oh, Trump's tariff battle is going to
Speaker 2: destroy the world. That's the new calamity.
Speaker 1: Well, they've had to come to grips with something in
Speaker 1: the anti Trump media, which is that their credibility in
Speaker 1: the public's mind. And I mean that broadly. I mean
Speaker 1: that even for Trump voters, right, it's just evaporated. We're
Speaker 1: in a totally different world now. Just the front page
Speaker 1: of the New York Times is not enough to convince
Speaker 1: someone of anything's truth anymore. Broadly, everyone recognizes, I think,
Speaker 1: much more clearly than ever before, that the media is
Speaker 1: running anti Trump ops on a regular basis, choosing what
Speaker 1: to cover, how they cover at everything, and so clay.
Speaker 1: They no longer have the ability, They no longer have
Speaker 1: the ability to induce there's that word again, to induce
Speaker 1: panic across the country the same way. Now. Their audience
Speaker 1: still demands it and wants it at some level, but
Speaker 1: even they, I think, have become a little bit numb
Speaker 1: to Trump panic syndrome. The synapses are kind of fried.
Speaker 1: For the Libs, they can't get themselves quite as freaked
Speaker 1: out now because we were told even a matter of
Speaker 1: what six months ago, that he would be hitler, and
Speaker 1: now we're seeing no, it's actually fine. It's all fine, Libs.
Speaker 1: You know, this was the one thing when I was
Speaker 1: with Bill Maher on his show, and you know, he
Speaker 1: just had dinner with Trump, recently. Yes, I tried the
Speaker 1: one thing that I tried to convince him of that
Speaker 1: I thought I might make a little ground, as I said,
Speaker 1: I promise you Trump is not Hitler and it's all
Speaker 1: going to be fine. And he refused, He said, I disagree.
Speaker 1: I think the country's over if he wins. Well, now
Speaker 1: we just went and had dinner with him. So put
Speaker 1: that one. Put one in the column for the Buckster
Speaker 1: was speaking truth to mister Bill maher on that obviously,
Speaker 1: So Clay, this is the administration continuing to keep promises.
Speaker 1: And also I think to be very focused on what
Speaker 1: the agenda is irrespective of whatever the media says. And
Speaker 1: that's the Trump doesn't give a you know what about
Speaker 1: what they say. Is actually a powerful political tool right now,
Speaker 1: or it's a powerful political reality, and I think he
Speaker 1: should continue to do this. They also, we haven't mentioned it.
Speaker 1: We'll get into it more later. Supreme Court just came
Speaker 1: down five to four on the Alien Enemies Act deportations,
Speaker 1: and the White House is going to be able to
Speaker 1: continue to do that. And I know there's a change
Speaker 1: of venue. We can get into some of those specifics,
Speaker 1: but it is not in fact the case that this
Speaker 1: was open and shot Trump can't do There's no actually
Speaker 1: Trump can, So we should continue to look at that
Speaker 1: as well. But I think on the economic side of things,
Speaker 1: they're really running out of stuff to tell us is
Speaker 1: going to cause the depression because of Trump? Right, They're
Speaker 1: running out of levers to pull here on this one.
Speaker 1: Because if this was supposed to be Black Monday, as
Speaker 1: they were saying, as Kramer said, to whatever degree anyone
Speaker 1: thinks that guy should be listened to, I think the
Speaker 1: answer should be almost not at all. But what are
Speaker 1: they going to keep saying?
Speaker 2: This?
Speaker 1: Is this going to be the walls they're closing in
Speaker 1: with the impeachments all over again? You know, I think
Speaker 1: that they still are completely ineffectual at their efforts to
Speaker 1: derail this administration, which is to the benefit of the
Speaker 1: American people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's totally true, and I think it's important. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm pulling up since I'm the stock market reporter right now.
Speaker 2: You know, your stocks are basically the exact same price
Speaker 2: as they were in May of last year, so eleven
Speaker 2: months ago. If you did not feel as I would
Speaker 2: imagine most of you did not eleven months ago, if
Speaker 2: you did not feel like you were on the verge
Speaker 2: of imploding. Then stocks go up, they go down, and
Speaker 2: I believe that we will soon, you know, continue that
Speaker 2: that upswing in the Trump era over the next couple
Speaker 2: of years. But you don't know when This average stock
Speaker 2: market price, you know, in every year on average goes
Speaker 2: up eight or nine percent, but there's a wide range
Speaker 2: of how that can go. And I would just say,
Speaker 2: look at prices back in May of last year. If
Speaker 2: you weren't panicked, if you weren't sitting around staring at
Speaker 2: the walls thinking to yourself, oh my goodness, how am
Speaker 2: I going to live? Probably take a breath and and
Speaker 2: realize that you're okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Clay, beyond that, though, you know that the
Speaker 1: stock market is just an indicator. Let's talk about America
Speaker 1: and the economy as well. Here they said, meaning the
Speaker 1: people that are freaked out about Trump as a profession,
Speaker 1: they said that he was going to crash the stock
Speaker 1: market with this. He didn't. Okay, it didn't happen. And
Speaker 1: this is probably the moment of maximum disruption as it
Speaker 1: relates to market perception. Because we'll get into some of
Speaker 1: these specifics. There's negotiations ongoing this country's come forward and said, hey,
Speaker 1: let's figure this out. Fifty countries plus already have said
Speaker 1: all right, let's get a deal going here. So there
Speaker 1: will be a greater degree of market certainty and a
Speaker 1: greater degree of the economy is okay, right. The perception
Speaker 1: of stability will create additional stability with this, which I
Speaker 1: think also Clay goes to Trump and his team understand
Speaker 1: these fundamental currents within the economy, not just the stock market,
Speaker 1: about manufacturing, about trade, about employment, about the price of gas,
Speaker 1: the price of eggs, the price of mortgages. All of
Speaker 1: these things are in consideration, and this team knows what
Speaker 1: they are doing and is trying to achieve something. You know,
Speaker 1: you can just tell the Democrats were hoping. They were
Speaker 1: hoping for the stock market to go down forty percent yesterday, yes,
Speaker 1: because that would in their minds, that would be okay,
Speaker 1: we're back baby, the end of the Trump presidency. It
Speaker 1: didn't happen, and now we're going to see who's right
Speaker 1: and who's wrong.
Speaker 2: And I definitely think again, for all of you out there,
Speaker 2: just trust to the extent you trust us on anything,
Speaker 2: eight or nine percent a year every ten years, the
Speaker 2: S and P five hundred, it is going to double.
Speaker 2: If you really significantly get sick to your stomach watching
Speaker 2: the stock market, then don't pay a lot of attention
Speaker 2: to the stock market and recognize that whatever is not
Speaker 2: going a little bit perfectly, they are going to immediately
Speaker 2: weaponize against Trump. And you don't make decisions typically in
Speaker 2: your own life on a day to day basis. You
Speaker 2: would never I think this analogy is so good. You
Speaker 2: would never look at what Zillo says the value of
Speaker 2: your house is and be like, oh my goodness, I've
Speaker 2: got to sell my house right now. Your house is
Speaker 2: constantly fluctuating in price. You have no idea what it's
Speaker 2: going to be worth. Most people do well on their
Speaker 2: houses because there is a significant cost associated with selling
Speaker 2: a home. With moving. Most people move into a house
Speaker 2: and they stay there for years. And if you do that,
Speaker 2: if you make a solid decision, the best financial decision
Speaker 2: most people make is buying a house and holding on
Speaker 2: to it. Same thing's true also of stocks. We'll take
Speaker 2: some of your calls. By the way, We're also scheduled
Speaker 2: to be joined by Selena Zito, who does a good
Speaker 2: job of reporting from out in the Midwest. Kind of
Speaker 2: the middle part of the country about what she's seeing
Speaker 2: on the road and what she's seeing and all these
Speaker 2: different communities.
Speaker 1: Well, her calling card for a lot of us who
Speaker 1: remember the twenty sixteen election is she was the one
Speaker 1: who said that people in the media and the Democrats
Speaker 1: took Trump literally but not seriously, when they should have
Speaker 1: taken him seriously but not literally. And also was reporting
Speaker 1: from russ Belt flyover whatever you want to call the
Speaker 1: de industrialized areas of the country and said, no, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about twenty sixteen now, right when this was still
Speaker 1: shock to a lot of people, she was doing that
Speaker 1: reporting saying, no, people are really it, this is a movement,
Speaker 1: this is real. So she's got an update now eight
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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton show. Okay, I understand,
Speaker 2: and it feels like getting a law degree was actually
Speaker 2: a good decision solely based on being in media, because
Speaker 2: there are so many court decisions that are constantly coming down,
Speaker 2: not only when Trump was running for office, but now
Speaker 2: as a part of the Trump era.
Speaker 1: So let me hit you with the latest ruling.
Speaker 2: That just came down in the last What am I
Speaker 2: looking at this in the last twenty minutes or so?
Speaker 2: The Supreme Court headline at the Wall Street Journal, Supreme
Speaker 2: Court lets Trump fire federal employees. The Supreme Court on
Speaker 2: Tuesday lifted a lower court order that blocked the Trump
Speaker 2: administration from firing sixteen thousand federal employees, saying that these
Speaker 2: organizations that claim they were harmed lack legal standing to
Speaker 2: challenge the layoffs. Order was unsigned, but two liberal justices
Speaker 2: opposed it, suggesting that it was it would have otherwise
Speaker 2: been a seven to two decision. This was to overturn
Speaker 2: an injunction put in place by the US District Court
Speaker 2: Judge Alsop in San Francisco requiring the reinstatement of all
Speaker 2: of these employees that the Trump administration was seeking dismiss. Okay,
Speaker 2: So what's going on there? Also was the decision that
Speaker 2: came down relating to Trump's executive power to deport individuals
Speaker 2: from this trenda ragua gang. Basically, the Supreme Court is
Speaker 2: coming in and slapping down these federal nationwide injunctions that
Speaker 2: are being put in place by these district court judges.
Speaker 2: So Trump's executive authority and power is being reinforced by
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court, which is telling these federal district court
Speaker 2: judges you have to lift these injunctions. Now, we talked
Speaker 2: about this. The Trump two point zero resistance is not
Speaker 2: coming from the legacy media. It's not even coming from
Speaker 2: the Democrat Party. It's coming from left wing judges at
Speaker 2: the district court level that are deciding to try to
Speaker 2: enjoin that is stopped basically Trump from undertaking his executive authority.
Speaker 2: And we talked about it within the context Historically, Trump
Speaker 2: has more nationwide injunctions than Biden had in four years already,
Speaker 2: than Obama had in four years already. These judges are
Speaker 2: trying to throw themselves to thwart the Trump agenda and
Speaker 2: forcing the Supreme Court to come in and say, hey,
Speaker 2: you can't do this.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's also important context that not only
Speaker 1: the number that you laid out shows that something is
Speaker 1: clearly a miss here, right, four years versus sixty days,
Speaker 1: and he already has more injunctions. But also Clay, in
Speaker 1: both cases of Obama and Biden, those were presidents who
Speaker 1: said openly I don't have the authority to do this thing,
Speaker 1: and then did the thing. So those are those are
Speaker 1: presidents who were reckless about the use of executive power,
Speaker 1: just just flagrantly making stuff up doing you know, when
Speaker 1: you're talking about, oh is it the administration, look look
Speaker 1: at what they use against Trump. It's the Administrative Procedures Act.
Speaker 1: Was all due notice given in all the forms checked
Speaker 1: before you can fire a single of federal employee. With
Speaker 1: Obama or with with Biden, it was, yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: owe money to the student loans anymore. You know, we're
Speaker 1: just gonna make that go away for you. Right, We're
Speaker 1: talking about big things that they had clearly no authority
Speaker 1: to do whatsoever. So I just think that when you
Speaker 1: keep it and when you have it in that context, clearly,
Speaker 1: you know, right leaning judges are like, look, you know,
Speaker 1: I may not like what's going on here, but unless
Speaker 1: they violate the law, clearly, I'm not going to try
Speaker 1: to step in. Left wing judges are I don't like Trump.
Speaker 1: I'm going to find a way to stop him. Perfect
Speaker 1: example of this judge Boseburg, who has really become the
Speaker 1: pinnacle of the resistance. You know that he wasn't supposed
Speaker 1: to get the case. I just heard this the other day.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. He wasn't the judge on duty for
Speaker 1: the flight leaving. You know, remember, first of all, this
Speaker 1: is in DC, and why is this falling undo the
Speaker 1: DC jurisdiction. There's all these questions. But Clay, he stepped
Speaker 1: in and was like, oh no, I want this one.
Speaker 1: That's not how that That's not how that's supposed to work.
Speaker 1: The judge that hates the president isn't supposed to shove
Speaker 1: aside other judges in the rotation. Think about this, Clay.
Speaker 1: You know, if somebody was charged with murder and some
Speaker 1: judge shoved another judge out of the way, Oh no,
Speaker 1: I want this case because everybody knows I hate this defendant.
Speaker 1: Nobody would think that was okay. It's exactly what Boseburg did.
Speaker 1: And also, all these federal district court judges really do
Speaker 1: think that if they oppose Trump, they're also setting themselves
Speaker 1: up for promotion, because again, for those of you out there,
Speaker 1: and I understand sometimes your head rolls back into your
Speaker 1: head over this. There's the federal District court judge level,
Speaker 1: which is the lowest level of the district court judges.
Speaker 1: Then there's the Circuit Court, and then there's the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: So these lowest level judges are trying to put in place,
Speaker 1: like this guy from San Francisco is trying to put
Speaker 1: in place a ruling that applies nationwide, and eventually it
Speaker 1: works its way into the Supreme Court, and they say no.
Speaker 1: And remember the precedent that they're putting in place about
Speaker 1: executive power and executive authority applies for all future presidents.
Speaker 1: So what they're trying to do is Trump resistance two
Speaker 1: point zero is almost exclusively the province so far of
Speaker 1: the judiciary. And to your point, Buck, it certainly is
Speaker 1: interesting that all these judges claiming that they are trying
Speaker 1: to def in the Constitution from an authoritarian dictator. Actually
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is saying, time after time, Trump has
Speaker 1: the right to be able to do what he's doing.
Speaker 1: And I think it's important to point out that Biden
Speaker 1: knew many times when he was taking action, for instance,
Speaker 1: when it came to the extension of the lack of
Speaker 1: evictions under FEMA authority, that he didn't have the ability
Speaker 1: to do that, and he even said, this will just
Speaker 1: buy a few more months for us to be able
Speaker 1: to keep this policy in place. He defied what he
Speaker 1: knew the law was. Trump on so many of these,
Speaker 1: so many of these legal issues when he gets up
Speaker 1: against these resistance judges, Clay, how many times have we
Speaker 1: been told and all these people like I'm especially the
Speaker 1: former Conservatives or former Republicans out there, you know who
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 4: I'm so I'm so principled. What Trump is doing is
Speaker 4: flagrantly violating the Constitution. And then it turns out when
Speaker 4: real judges look at it, they go, no, this is
Speaker 4: he has the power to do this time and again,
Speaker 4: remember the so called Muslim band that wasn't a Muslim ban.
Speaker 4: It was a countries that can't vet and have a
Speaker 4: lot of terrorsts coming out of them ban.
Speaker 1: You know, they said he couldn't do that. He ended
Speaker 1: up being u correct on that. The courts eventually upheld
Speaker 1: it right. They made some kind of a modification to
Speaker 1: the first order to clarify, but it wasn't some crazy idea.
Speaker 1: It was based on Obama administration designations of terror supporting countries.
Speaker 1: But they just they have no ability Trump arrangement syndrome.
Speaker 1: It's so tiring, isn't it, Clay. They can't They keep
Speaker 1: telling you they're objective. They can't be objective when it
Speaker 1: comes to this guy.
Speaker 2: What about Crazily Remember when the Colorado is Supreme I know,
Speaker 2: everybody just tries to forget all this stuff happened. You
Speaker 2: don't hear it talked about very often, But the Colorado
Speaker 2: Supreme Court said Trump couldn't be on the ballot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it went all the way to the United States
Speaker 2: Supreme Court and all these people out there, we're saying, well,
Speaker 2: under the Confederate you know, clause of the whatever it was,
Speaker 2: the fourteenth, fifteenth, sixteenth Amendment. I don't even remember what
Speaker 2: the specific battle was, but it was one of those
Speaker 2: they said, this is a really difficult legal issue. I
Speaker 2: think there's a very strong case that he shouldn't be
Speaker 2: able to be on the ballots at all. I remember
Speaker 2: reading all these editorials in the New York Times, and
Speaker 2: then the Supreme Court said no, nine, oh, you can't
Speaker 2: do this, and when you get slapped down no by
Speaker 2: the United States Supreme Court and trying to argue, actually,
Speaker 2: they have the right to do this. I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people it was Lucy and Charlie Brown, you know,
Speaker 2: are you really.
Speaker 1: It's the football going to get pulled, football going to
Speaker 1: get pulled.
Speaker 2: In New York Times saying no, this is a really
Speaker 2: legitimate legal argument that they've made, and then the Supreme
Speaker 2: Court says, nine, No, you can't do this, Colorado Clay.
Speaker 1: It was the Democrat Apparatus that was telling us just
Speaker 1: a year ago that you can prosecute a president criminally
Speaker 1: for decisions that he makes as president. Right, think about that.
Speaker 1: I don't like the air strike he did throw them in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was effectively the argument that they were making. The
Speaker 1: Supreme Court had to clarify. No, if he's acting within
Speaker 1: presidential capacity, you can't say that's a criminal matter. It's
Speaker 1: a his discretion matter. But they needed that to be clarified, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think if we could run a
Speaker 1: tape play the whole show of CNN Legal experts in
Speaker 1: New York Times legal experts, you're just wrong over and
Speaker 1: over and to your point, in some of these cases,
Speaker 1: they're wrong nine. Oh yeah, has to be like, you
Speaker 1: guys are insane, even who is herself insane?
Speaker 2: Well, even this with the San Francisco District judge, everybody's
Speaker 2: telling us, oh, we don't know whether the president has authority.
Speaker 2: We told you on this show. Yeah, this is the
Speaker 2: very province of presidential authority. Even this was seven to two.
Speaker 2: You know, even this order striking down what the San
Speaker 2: Francisco judge did was very clearly telling him this is
Speaker 2: not within the province of your powers. The president has
Speaker 2: the ability to do this. And again, this is why
Speaker 2: so many of these rulings are not designed to win.
Speaker 2: They're designed to delay. It's it's like if you're if
Speaker 2: you're putting you know, back in the day, somebody's on
Speaker 2: the train tracks and you're trying to just put a
Speaker 2: bunch of burning logs on them. Your goal is not
Speaker 2: to end the ability of the train track to exist.
Speaker 2: It's just to slow everything down. It's all dilatory tactics,
Speaker 2: that's all that's going on here. And you know in
Speaker 2: this order about the this is the one that just
Speaker 2: came down.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: That is it's essentially saying, hey, you can't the judge
Speaker 1: that said you have to rehire. Everybody needs to needs
Speaker 1: to slow as slow his role here. Slow slow the
Speaker 1: role here because the people that brought the suit to
Speaker 1: get them reinstated don't even have standing right, correct, So
Speaker 1: they have no right to be in core on this issue.
Speaker 1: In the final you can't just suit. You can't just
Speaker 1: go to a federal judge and say, hey, some federal
Speaker 1: employees somewhere else got fired and I don't like that,
Speaker 1: So hey, judge, I know you hate Trump. Can you
Speaker 1: make them hire them back? And the fact that a
Speaker 1: lower court judge Clay went along with this sham, it
Speaker 1: just shows you how insane these people are and they
Speaker 1: don't care. They simply don't care. This is a federal
Speaker 1: judge in Baltimore that ordered the administration to reinstate thousands
Speaker 1: of fired probationary workers. One federal judge can say that
Speaker 1: you have to rehire thousands of people in the federal
Speaker 1: government because some nonprofit has brought a lawsuit in his court.
Speaker 1: Get out of here. This is when a judge tried
Speaker 1: to tell the President that he had to turn a
Speaker 1: plane around and return. Yeah, ton, I mean that's a
Speaker 1: pretty I'm actually glad. I'm glad that he did that,
Speaker 1: because that really that was he overplayed his hand big time,
Speaker 1: and everyone saw that for what it was. By the way,
Speaker 1: because if you can do that, he can say, hey,
Speaker 1: turn the F eighteen around, not allowed to bomb the
Speaker 1: nuclear reactor and around. By the way, breaking news on
Speaker 1: the tariffs, the White House has now imposed one hundred
Speaker 1: and four percent tariffs on China, effective immediately, in response
Speaker 1: to China's response to us. So we are this is
Speaker 1: a trade war. Just to be clear, this with China,
Speaker 1: we are entering trade war territory. The other countries are allies.
Speaker 1: We're gonna figure out a nice deal. But China, Clay,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you agree, I mean, that's this is a trade
Speaker 1: war now.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's the gloves are off with China right now.
Speaker 2: So we'll break into that in a little bit more details.
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Speaker 2: Podcasts Now We're going to go talk with journalists Selena Zito,
Speaker 2: who did a great job covering Trump in the Midwest.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to her at the bottom half of this hour.
Speaker 2: We've been giving you the absolute latest on everything that's
Speaker 2: taking place in the markets. Markets have come back down,
Speaker 2: but they are still in the green that as they
Speaker 2: are still positive for the day. Trump versus China has accelerated,
Speaker 2: with the tariff on Chinese goods going to over one
Speaker 2: hundred percent. I think it's important for many of you
Speaker 2: out there to realize that we're really not talking about
Speaker 2: one policy fits all. It's going to be very different,
Speaker 2: but ultimately this trade battle is really about the United
Speaker 2: States versus China. Yes, there's going to be some tension
Speaker 2: with the European Union, Canada, Mexico, Australia, Japan, whoever else
Speaker 2: you want to toss out there, But really this is
Speaker 2: about the United States versus China. This is the big
Speaker 2: battle to be fought. It's going to resolve itself in
Speaker 2: the weeks and months ahead. But right now Trump is
Speaker 2: retaliating for China's retaliation to US, and I guess the
Speaker 2: next question, Buck, is will China retaliate again or is
Speaker 2: this move by Trump to put one hundred tariff on
Speaker 2: all Chinese goods going to actually provoke China to say, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's sit down, let's talk about a way to figure
Speaker 2: this out. So we will see exactly how that pans out.
Speaker 2: Bridge Colby committed, confirmed, not committed. We probably need to
Speaker 2: commit some Democrats, but not Bridge Colby and so he
Speaker 2: is confirmed. And we have been talking about the liberal
Speaker 2: judges and what they.
Speaker 1: Have been doing.
Speaker 2: Supreme Court in back to back rulings has given Trump
Speaker 2: the ability to continue to maintain his.
Speaker 1: Overall executive authority. Florida Gators get the win over the
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Speaker 1: We both had three fourths of the final four and
Speaker 1: also one half of the championship game. By the way,
Speaker 1: we're going to be joined by doctor Art Laffer. We're
Speaker 1: trying to get you a wide variety of perspectives on
Speaker 1: the trade dispute. Doctor Laffer had a really interesting Wall
Speaker 1: Street Journal piece that was up in Yesterday's was up
Speaker 1: yesterday online. I believe it's in today's newspaper about how
Speaker 1: to resolve the trade disputes. One of the most brilliant
Speaker 1: economists in the entire world, and so we will talk
Speaker 1: with him about this tomorrow. Okay, something fun buck, Lots
Speaker 1: of chaos going on, lots of craziness on a day
Speaker 1: to day basis. I bet there are strong opinions on this.
Speaker 2: There are reports this was the Time magazine cover that
Speaker 2: we have brought back a company has. I read all
Speaker 2: about this yesterday. I was fascinated by it yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 1: The dire Wolf, which is a bigger wolf than the
Speaker 1: traditional wolf, has been thanks to using DNA code. A
Speaker 1: company is saying they have brought the dire wolf back
Speaker 1: from extinction after ten thousand years. Now.
Speaker 2: Many of you are going to be familiar with the
Speaker 2: idea of the dire wolf because you watched Game of
Speaker 2: Thrones and the wolves in that Game of Thrones multi
Speaker 2: year saga grew into gigantic killing machines from small puppies.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to dive into this book back in
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 1: When you and I were young.
Speaker 2: The book before they made the movie Jurassic Park by
Speaker 2: Michael Crichton. The entire concept is that they're able to
Speaker 2: take the of the dinosaurs from these if I remember
Speaker 2: correctly Mosquito's frozen and amber, and that they are then
Speaker 2: able to extract that DNA to create new dinosaurs. And obviously,
Speaker 2: the Jurassic Park franchise in terms of movies has remained
Speaker 2: incredibly durable and powerful for thirty some odd years because
Speaker 2: lots of people remain fascinated by dinosaurs in general, lots
Speaker 2: of little boys, although not lots of little girls too.
Speaker 2: I remember, I think you said your nephew knows everything
Speaker 2: about dinosaurs. When I was a little kid, I knew
Speaker 2: everything about dinosaurs. There is a great deal of interest still,
Speaker 2: obviously in the Jurassic universe.
Speaker 1: Yes, and there are other species that could already be
Speaker 1: brought back. I think, aren't they working on mastodons or
Speaker 1: the wooly mammoth? For sure? Maybe the mastodon, the wooly
Speaker 1: mammoth I think is basically going to happen. In the
Speaker 1: article that I read, they are going to bring back
Speaker 1: the sabertooth tiger. They are going they're going to bring back.
Speaker 2: So my question, I'm fascinated by what the reaction of
Speaker 2: this audience, too good or bad? And let me give
Speaker 2: you a question to think about this buck. I was
Speaker 2: just out in Colorado over spring break, and I bet
Speaker 2: we have a lot of people listening in Colorado right now.
Speaker 2: And I know this has turned into a major issue
Speaker 2: all over the West. They have reintroduced wolves in lots
Speaker 2: of states and communities where the wolf had basically been eradicated.
Speaker 2: And if you have a ranch, ranchers are furious about
Speaker 2: this because suddenly what I was told I was in Colorado,
Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, everybody in Boulder and Denver decided they
Speaker 2: wanted to vote to bring back wolves, and all the
Speaker 2: people who live in rural Colorado are like thanks, jerks like,
Speaker 2: we have no interest in bringing back wolves, and suddenly
Speaker 2: our livestock are getting killed and we're having to worry
Speaker 2: about something that we had eradicated. My thought is, now,
Speaker 2: these dire wolves, there are three of them that they
Speaker 2: say they have brought back, two boys and a that
Speaker 2: they named Romulus and Remus, and one girl pop Will
Speaker 2: they like in Jurassic Park, eventually find their way out
Speaker 2: and then they're suddenly circulating in the community. They say
Speaker 2: that the dire wolf basically covered all of North America
Speaker 2: back in the day ten thousand years ago. If you
Speaker 2: were out, this thing was from Canada all the way
Speaker 2: down into South America. They basically roamed free. They were
Speaker 2: wiped out about ten thousand years ago. What is your
Speaker 2: take on the idea, not only of the dire wolf,
Speaker 2: saber too, tiger wooly mammoth being bringing back extinct animals
Speaker 2: good or bad move?
Speaker 1: What's your take?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: I love the book Jurassic Park, as all of you know,
Speaker 1: and so I find this a fascinating entry into the
Speaker 1: scientific annals that is going on right now. I think that, man,
Speaker 1: the truth is this the same way that you know.
Speaker 1: I've never been to I've been to Africa, but I
Speaker 1: love knowing that there's all these incredible I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: have been to Africa. That's not true, but I've never
Speaker 1: been on safari in Africa, but that I've been to
Speaker 1: places where there are no safaris. They've been in some
Speaker 1: rough parts of Africa, but I've never I've never done safari,
Speaker 1: but I love knowing that there are lions and hippopotami
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So I think that it's tough
Speaker 1: for us to separate out the concept of it. This
Speaker 1: is why when you brought up the ranchers. I think
Speaker 1: that's very afro po, the concept of it versus the
Speaker 1: reality of it. You know, a saber tooth tiger is
Speaker 1: fine until saber too tiger eats your grandma and then
Speaker 1: you're pretty it. This actually came up if you you
Speaker 1: remember when this I think it was Cecil the Lion
Speaker 1: was the big story and Jimmy Kim they killed him, yes,
Speaker 1: and it was like him was like crying on TV
Speaker 1: about Cecil the Lion in Africa, who on a lawful
Speaker 1: hunt was shot. Yeah. Yeah, it's like Cecil the light
Speaker 1: is crying. And look, I love animals, so I get that.
Speaker 1: And there's something that's, you know, like I love my
Speaker 1: little dog Ginger so much, and yet I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: lamb shops right for dinner. Like I understand some of
Speaker 1: this stuff. We get a little. It's about sentimentality over
Speaker 1: pure logic. Okay, But that all said, there was a
Speaker 1: really interesting Wall Street Journal article that I remember from
Speaker 1: that time, written by I think he was a student
Speaker 1: at Harvard or Princeton, who was like, you know what
Speaker 1: lions mean in my village? Yeah? I read the people
Speaker 1: get eaten? Yeah, like this isn't a game to us,
Speaker 1: like we actually have to control the population because they'll
Speaker 1: eat your dad, they'll eat your sister, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is a real thing that happens to real people,
Speaker 1: which reminds me of that movie Ghost in the Darkness,
Speaker 1: based on a true story. And I know you all
Speaker 1: know this and you can go see the stuffed carcasses
Speaker 1: of those lions and I'm in a zoo and I'm
Speaker 1: in a museum in Chicago. Wasn't Val Kilmer in that movie?
Speaker 1: That just yeah, yeah, it was a Valkilmer movie with
Speaker 1: Michael Douglas. Kind of a weird casting of Michael Douglas,
Speaker 1: but anyway, Val Kilmer was good in it. And that's
Speaker 1: based on a true story. I mean, these lie became
Speaker 1: habituated to eating people and they're like, wow, people are
Speaker 1: slow and kind of weak, like let's just eat them instead.
Speaker 1: So this is all a way to say, I think
Speaker 1: for you know, should we bring back dodo birds?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Totally, like should we bring back species that? But you know,
Speaker 1: this is where you also get into clay. I'm here
Speaker 1: in South Florida and you have the Boa constrictors and
Speaker 1: and also what do you call them? The big. They
Speaker 1: look like little dragons on ias. Yeah, yeah, and they
Speaker 1: are invasive. Well, boas are definitely an invasive species. I
Speaker 1: think iguanas are two. I don't think they're native to hear.
Speaker 1: They're basically pets that have escaped and now they're killing
Speaker 1: all the native you know, ecosystem animals off, so you
Speaker 1: have to go hunt them and deal with them. True thing. Also,
Speaker 1: you know that little brown bird that you guys all
Speaker 1: think of, the European house sparrow, probably the most common
Speaker 1: bird in the entire United States everywhere, a little kind
Speaker 1: of round squat bird. They're an invasive species from Europe
Speaker 1: and they have killed off a lot of native bird
Speaker 1: species because they will break into another bird's nest and
Speaker 1: break their eggs. They're mean, they're mean little birds. The
Speaker 1: honeybee is an invasive species. Well, but we like honeybees.
Speaker 1: This is, I guess the point, right, We like that
Speaker 1: honey People don't realize this. North America, until colonization, had
Speaker 1: no honeybees anywhere, and then they slowly spread across the
Speaker 1: entirety of the North American continent. But they were a
Speaker 1: invasive species that otherwise didn't exist here. Some of you
Speaker 1: will remember this too. There was a fear about fire
Speaker 1: ants and how they're going to keep spreading up and
Speaker 1: spreading up, and you know, they're dangerous to people if
Speaker 1: you step on one of their anhills. And there was
Speaker 1: a briefly discussed proposal that I remember reading about the
Speaker 1: only real, real natural predators for the fire ants. They
Speaker 1: were thinking, maybe we should introduce it's a South American
Speaker 1: anteater which has like six inch long claws and weighs
Speaker 1: like two hundred pounds. And then they're like, well, if
Speaker 1: we introduce that, what's its natural predatory Jaguars? So you
Speaker 1: create all these problems, the food.
Speaker 2: Chain gets dangerous. Okay, So I am in favor of this.
Speaker 2: Here is my thing as a pet, yes or no?
Speaker 2: Once they reintroduced you, no, no, no, I'm in favor
Speaker 2: of it only for keeping them in captivity. And I
Speaker 2: understand some of you are going to say, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the whole point of Jurassic Park. But I like it
Speaker 2: also for endangered species now because in theory, it would
Speaker 2: mean there should be no animal that actually vanishes, right,
Speaker 2: you should be able to get the existing DNA of
Speaker 2: all animals that are alive on Earth today, and we
Speaker 2: should be able to create a genetic Noah's Arc of
Speaker 2: all living animals here today and be able to create them.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't want if I'm a think.
Speaker 2: About this in terms of the farmers out there and
Speaker 2: the ranchers, the idea that you would reintroduce grizzly bears
Speaker 2: or wolves that are going to attack my livestock is
Speaker 2: I think different than this.
Speaker 1: I would nothing else produce these animals, something else that
Speaker 1: that would be on the on the docket here go. Uh,
Speaker 1: I believe it's I believe it's called a short faced bear.
Speaker 1: Go look up the short faced bear and it's like
Speaker 1: a grizzly bear times three. It's a massive land predator. Uh.
Speaker 1: That they could also along with the saber it's from
Speaker 1: the same era as a saber tooth tiger. They could
Speaker 1: also bring that one back. And I think that you know,
Speaker 1: you're starting to see we definitely don't want that, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's gonna be the same way that
Speaker 1: polar polar bears hunt people. It's really the only North
Speaker 1: American land animal. Yeah, I know, grizzlies can wolf has
Speaker 1: never actually attacked healthy wolves have never attacked the human
Speaker 1: being in the history of North America is at least
Speaker 1: what you that's what they announced me. You're gonna say no,
Speaker 1: but that's what they say. Okay, that's what the official
Speaker 1: statistics are. The wolves won't attack people if they're healthy.
Speaker 1: If they're a rabid, that's different. Polar bear see you,
Speaker 1: and they're like food food, they do. There's no offens
Speaker 1: or butts, and the same thing would be true of
Speaker 1: a short faced bear. So you know some of the thing.
Speaker 1: Let me hit you with this one, buck. My boys
Speaker 1: are obsessed with the megalodon, which is just a giant shark.
Speaker 1: In theory, the dire wolf can be kept in inside
Speaker 1: of a fenced enclosure and everything else. My concern on
Speaker 1: this would be that we would start.
Speaker 2: To create big, massive animals that are in the water,
Speaker 2: and those are a lot harder to control. Have you
Speaker 2: ever been ton to, say, for instance, the Atlanta Aquarium
Speaker 2: where they have the whale sharks. You know, they've never
Speaker 2: been able to, for instance, keep I believe this is
Speaker 2: still true, a great white shark in captivity. They just
Speaker 2: they're impossible to keep inside of museums or aquariums, anything
Speaker 2: like that. My concern is that some of these that
Speaker 2: we will create will get out. And can you imagine
Speaker 2: a world where suddenly you have, instead of a great
Speaker 2: white shark, you've got the megalodon suddenly like rolling around
Speaker 2: in the ocean deep. That starts to get a little
Speaker 2: bit scarier to me. But I think it's the reality
Speaker 2: of where we are going. I think you're going to
Speaker 2: see all of these extinct animals genetically us able to
Speaker 2: bring them back. Now, one more thing, as we go
Speaker 2: to break some people are saying this is not the
Speaker 2: real animal because of the way they're doing the DNA coding,
Speaker 2: and that gets way more complicated and above my pay grade.
Speaker 2: But I have read some of those critiques as well.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate everybody
Speaker 2: hanging out with us. We got a lot of you
Speaker 2: weighing in with a variety of questions and let's hit
Speaker 2: some of these Selena Zito is scheduled to join us.
Speaker 2: He's got a Washington Post op ed about the manufacturing
Speaker 2: universe right now in the Midwest. She's done a great
Speaker 2: job covering that era area for some time and the
Speaker 2: era of the Trump Midwest surge. So we'll talk about
Speaker 2: that when she reaches out to us. And she is
Speaker 2: now with us now, so we bring in Selena Zito.
Speaker 2: She has got a op ed in the Washington Post
Speaker 2: where she has been spending time with Midwestern workers. Selena,
Speaker 2: I'm curious what you're hearing from people in the Midwest,
Speaker 2: an area that used to be the manufacturing of America
Speaker 2: that has certainly dried up in many different ways. Jade
Speaker 2: Vance has been a huge part of his political career
Speaker 2: as talking about the jobs that no longer exist in
Speaker 2: the Midwest. What are you hearing from voters in the Midwest,
Speaker 2: How do you think this tariff war plays for them?
Speaker 2: And how would you assess the politics of what's going
Speaker 2: on right now?
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, thanks for having me on. You know,
Speaker 5: I cover a different world, very different than you know,
Speaker 5: sort of the very online world, and where I'm at
Speaker 5: in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan. You know, the heart of the
Speaker 5: Great Lakes Midwest, in Appalachia. These people here are very
Speaker 5: happy with the tariffs. They have spent the past forty years,
Speaker 5: whether it was themselves or their parents or their grandparents,
Speaker 5: watching these communities, these churches, the tax spase in their
Speaker 5: communities being decimated, and nobody even wrote a story. I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm obvious being a little exaggerating here, but there wasn't
Speaker 5: this big overt worry about their lives right when when
Speaker 5: all their jobs were lost, when everything was taken away
Speaker 5: from them. And so they look at it two ways.
Speaker 5: They look at it as being patriotic, bringing back American manufacturing,
Speaker 5: sacrificing in their four oh one k for the betterment
Speaker 5: of the country. But they also look at it as
Speaker 5: leveling the pill of playing field. And it's not just manufacturing.
Speaker 6: Talk to a ranter, they're happy, right, Talk to a manufacturer,
Speaker 6: small businessman like Tyler Merritt down in Savannah, Georgia, the guy.
Speaker 5: Who owns nine line.
Speaker 6: He's thrilled.
Speaker 5: You know, these guys are thrilled. And these are the
Speaker 5: people that placed Donald Trump into office. It was the
Speaker 5: working class that was at the heart of this election.
Speaker 1: What'd you learn Selena specifically from and thanks for being
Speaker 1: here with us. When you went to in West mifflind
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania a steel mill and you talk to the folks
Speaker 1: at the mill, I mean, just what were your biggest
Speaker 1: takeaways both from seeing that operation. I think very few
Speaker 1: people who don't work in a steel mill have ever
Speaker 1: really been inside one, and also their sense of what
Speaker 1: would they say to people who claim, well, but we
Speaker 1: can never make steel the way they do as cheaply
Speaker 1: as they do in China, so why even try?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 5: So if people know and check my Twitter feed out,
Speaker 5: zdo Selena. I've put the story up for free. It's
Speaker 5: a Washington Post story. It is a very detailed, long read,
Speaker 5: and it really puts you into the heart of why
Speaker 5: people feel the way they do. This isn't just a
Speaker 5: steel mill. This is the first steel mill. This is
Speaker 5: the granddaddy of the mall. That was an eighty six
Speaker 5: year old hot rolling mill that I spent the day
Speaker 5: watching work and watching the men and women work around it.
Speaker 5: And these workers who would traditionally be born Democrats. Right
Speaker 5: in western Pa, you're usually born Catholic and Democrats. It
Speaker 5: just like goes together. They are the perfect example of
Speaker 5: how the coalitions in American politics have dramatically changed, and
Speaker 5: now that the Republican Party or the Conservative Populist Party
Speaker 5: is now the party that embraces the working man and women,
Speaker 5: and so they're very happy and they're willing to take
Speaker 5: a bite out of out of their four oh one
Speaker 5: case if it means that this will be better for
Speaker 5: the future generations. And that's the way these union guys talk.
Speaker 5: Like a lot of those union workers that you'll in
Speaker 5: the story, they're towards the end of their career, right
Speaker 5: they're in their fifties. They said, this isn't about me.
Speaker 5: This is about the guy that just started at the
Speaker 5: plant two weeks ago. Guys before me did this and
Speaker 5: took sacrifices, and my I'm to pay it forward and
Speaker 5: make sure that they are able to retire when they
Speaker 5: termed sixty Selena.
Speaker 2: One of the real challenges, and we played a cut
Speaker 2: from Trump talking about this, is investment and business management,
Speaker 2: building a factory. Those sorts of things take years. In
Speaker 2: other words, as you just laid out, it's taken a
Speaker 2: couple of generations for all of these jobs to dry up.
Speaker 2: This is not something where a light switch got flipped
Speaker 2: and things changed. What is the trajectory of changing this
Speaker 2: culture that we created where the jobs don't exist? How
Speaker 2: long does it take? And to be fair, is anything?
Speaker 2: Is this anything that one president can do or do
Speaker 2: we have to string together a lot of presidents that
Speaker 2: see this as an issue in order to reverse what's
Speaker 2: happened too.
Speaker 5: I'm so glad you asked that. Last week I reported
Speaker 5: out a story there was the law the tallest coal
Speaker 5: stack smokestack in the country was blasted and fell. Its
Speaker 5: very traumatic. It is very sad for a coal fired
Speaker 5: power plant. Ten days later, because this site is shovel ready,
Speaker 5: they announced they are starting. They've already started to turn
Speaker 5: this plant into a natural gas plant to facilitate not
Speaker 5: just the electricity in Pennsylvania, Maryland and parts of New York.
Speaker 5: It's going to be the largest electric power plant in
Speaker 5: the country. It is also going to power a data
Speaker 5: center for an AI data center. There are going to
Speaker 5: be ten thousand new jobs. That's and and it is
Speaker 5: a ten billion dollar investment. And that's not even before
Speaker 5: the AI data center is built. You know, Bergmann was there.
Speaker 5: He was I was at a racking site, a racking
Speaker 5: well and he said, Look, our job right now is
Speaker 5: to build, build, build. It's more than drill drill, drill,
Speaker 5: because this is like the arms race. AI is like
Speaker 5: the arms race, and we have to win in this country.
Speaker 5: And he pointed to the fact that there are places
Speaker 5: like that coal fired power plant and Homer City all
Speaker 5: over the industrial Midwest that are ready and capable to
Speaker 5: be built. So I think that is where the new construction,
Speaker 5: the new jobs. And these aren't just working class jobs.
Speaker 5: These aren't just welders, these aren't just artisans that work
Speaker 5: with their hands. There are geologists there, chemists, engineers, men
Speaker 5: and women with degrees in AI and technology. So it
Speaker 5: is a broad reconstruction of how the American economy and
Speaker 5: how the American worker approaches the next generation.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating, Selena. You know, you're giving us this other
Speaker 1: perspective than what you'd get if you were to flip
Speaker 1: on CNBC. It's the sky is falling. And yet if
Speaker 1: you go into some of these places like you have,
Speaker 1: where people have seen what happens with the offshoring of
Speaker 1: American jobs and de industrialization of certain industries, that they're
Speaker 1: they're excited about the future. I just wonder you know
Speaker 1: what you think the hopes are and the plans are
Speaker 1: in these areas. If Trump is able to continue on
Speaker 1: this path, what does that start to look like? What
Speaker 1: towns are affected? What industries do you think can boom?
Speaker 5: Well, energy is at the top of the list, but
Speaker 5: also artificial intelligence, Right, those are the two big booms.
Speaker 5: If energy is going well, then that means farming is
Speaker 5: going well because of you know, energy and farming go
Speaker 5: really hand in hand together. And I think one of
Speaker 5: the big things as part of these tariffs is to
Speaker 5: give a boost to our American farmer and rancher. So
Speaker 5: those are industries you see right then and there, and
Speaker 5: then we can talk about our universities. Right our universities
Speaker 5: will will will have a bit of a turnaround and
Speaker 5: what they focus on. You know, maybe it's not your kids.
Speaker 5: You send your kid off for French literature, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe they go to school for things that are going
Speaker 5: to recreate these communities. The footprint is already there in
Speaker 5: places like Indiana, Pennsylvania, or West Miffland, Pennsylvania, or Claysville, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 5: and all across and not just in Pennsylvania. It's in Ohio,
Speaker 5: it's in Michigan. It's in Wisconsin. Use these places are
Speaker 5: already there, and these universe cities already have sort of
Speaker 5: the grain to begin these kinds of of new new
Speaker 5: degrees that young people can go for. But also the trades.
Speaker 5: Like you guys, I'm sure you've talked or listen to
Speaker 5: Mike grow you know, the trades are also where we
Speaker 5: are going to see a growth and jobs that create
Speaker 5: real prosperity, where people can live in the same hometown
Speaker 5: that their parents grew up in if they want to, right,
Speaker 5: and that that generational investment in a community that's worth
Speaker 5: more than money in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: Selena, how optimistic are you? You know, we hear a
Speaker 2: lot of hey, everything is burning down, the world's on fire.
Speaker 2: Based on what you have seen in the reporting that
Speaker 2: you have done, how would you accept your overall optimism?
Speaker 5: I think the optimism is great. It's you know, I
Speaker 5: straddle two different, very different worlds. When I step on
Speaker 5: social media, I see a very different attitude in the
Speaker 5: world than what I see and feeling here out here
Speaker 5: in the middle of the country, and it's it's always
Speaker 5: remarkable to me. And it's sort of like when I
Speaker 5: said to President Trump in twenty sixteen when I was
Speaker 5: covering him, I said, you know, voters take you seriously,
Speaker 5: but they don't take you literally. And my profession takes
Speaker 5: everything you say literally and not so seriously. And and
Speaker 5: it's still it's that same sort of dichotomy, right It's
Speaker 5: it's it's very different in the middle of the country
Speaker 5: and in particular among young people. You know, you see
Speaker 5: all these protests out there, and they got a lot
Speaker 5: of play on social media and the national news. However,
Speaker 5: I would argue American politics is all about edition. If
Speaker 5: you go to any of these rallies, try to find
Speaker 5: someone that's changed their mind, you likely can't because they're
Speaker 5: the same people that voted for who lost last November.
Speaker 5: So they're not adding anything new. And I think that's
Speaker 5: the challenge right now for anything that is against what
Speaker 5: President Trump and the Republicans are trying to accomplish. I
Speaker 5: was four feet away from President Trump in Butler in
Speaker 5: July thirteenth of last year. In fact, I have a
Speaker 5: book coming out about it. But one thing I can
Speaker 5: tell you in the day after I talked to him,
Speaker 5: In the days after I talked to him, he had
Speaker 5: this fundamental understanding that there was a reason that he
Speaker 5: did not die that day because so many there's so
Speaker 5: many reasons why he shouldn't have survived what happened. But
Speaker 5: because of that, he will be forever changed and deeals
Speaker 5: this urgency to do something because he was given that
Speaker 5: moment to be sick.
Speaker 1: Selena, selenas you doo. Yeah, great, great work as always,
Speaker 1: Thanks for your piece to Washington Post and everything you
Speaker 1: do to cover this. And up at clayanbuck dot com. Guys,
Speaker 1: we've got her up ed linked there if you just
Speaker 1: want to go and grab it quickly we give it
Speaker 1: a read. You absolutely should. Selena, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 5: Oh sounds great. Thanks so much, guys.
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