1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on Giants 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: dot Com, The Giants part of the Giants podcast Network. 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: Welcome to the news edition of the Giant Huttle Podcast. 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: John Schmoke with you, we continue our preview of the 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: NFL Draft with Shawn O'Hara and David Deal. But first 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 1: a reminder you can find the Giants Subtle Podcast on 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: the Giants Podcast now Work presented by Investors Bank at 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Giants dot com, Slash Podcast, on the Giants Mobile app, 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: and on your favorite podcast platforms. And today we are 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: going to take a look at some of the skill 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: position players quarterbacks, running backs and tight ends and Dave. 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: These are not necessarily three positions of great need for 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: the Giants given what's on their roster, but you never 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: know when a team wants to reinforce one of these 15 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: groups in the mid rounds. No, I mean, you obviously 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: are doing everything you can to bolster your roster and 17 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: every single position, not only with your starters, but we 18 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: know how much experience and depth means to a football team, 19 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: especially down the stretch of what's gonna be a seventeen 20 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: game season. So it's really exciting to get here and 21 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: to get breakdowns of of the future prospects of the 22 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: NFL and who are going to be the future prospects 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: of this Giants football team that are gonna help change 24 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: continue to change the culture into a championship one. Dave, 25 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: and the Giants obviously not taking a quarterback in the 26 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: first round. They're committed to Daniel Jones after his first 27 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: two years in the league. But first round quarterbacks matter 28 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: to the Giants because it might determine who gets pushed 29 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: down to them at pick number eleven. So, Dave, you 30 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: do all these national shows on serious you know, it's 31 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: the big topic of conversation. How many quarterbacks do you 32 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: think go off the board in the top ten? And 33 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: a bonus question for you, well, what are those quarterbacks 34 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: be on a trade up for somebody moving into the 35 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: top ten? Uh? These are the things that you love, 36 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: the anticipation, the questioning what's really gonna take place? And 37 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,639 Speaker 1: you know, I know you're like myself. We're all about 38 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: breaking down prospects with our notebooks here and going through. 39 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: So for me, within the top ten, the way that 40 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: I look at it, Jacksonville, they're pretty much locked into 41 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. We already hear that they're having zoom calls 42 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: going through the playbook, just like we saw with Cincinnati 43 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: last year with with Joe Burrow and the Bengals. So 44 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: I think that's a clear cut one New York Jets. 45 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: They figure out that they're gonna solve the problem with 46 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. I think at this point if they were 47 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: to try to change the perception and to go someplace 48 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: with Justin Fields or with the tray Lands, I don't 49 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: think that they would get the exception of Jets fans 50 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: and the overall NFL fan base based upon Michael Floor's 51 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: offensive What Zach Wilson can mean to that running the 52 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: bootlegs and naked, the zone scheme that goes along with it, 53 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: and his ability to throw outside of the pocket and 54 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: to change the launch point. That's an area where we 55 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: know the Jets with their offensive line need that help 56 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: in order to change the launch point. Zach Wilson provides 57 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: that opportunity. The exciting thing is where it's all going 58 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: to really change is with the forty Niners at number three. 59 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody has them in and locked into Matt Jones, 60 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: but I don't think that that's a given whatsoever. We 61 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: all know that he comes from the Mike Shanahan, his father. 62 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: We've heard him say through press conferences, you never want 63 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: to show your hand. But there he is going that 64 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: week to Matt Jones is pro day. I think there's 65 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: some things behind the behind the bench that can happen. 66 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: Some people are saying Trey Lands, some people are saying 67 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: Justin Fields. I think that Justin Fields would be that 68 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: fit in that offense if you make him force defenses 69 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: to play eleven on eleven football and the zone read 70 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: in the downhill running scheme that fits exactly what Kyle 71 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: Shanahan wants to run the Atlanta Falcons at four. This 72 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: is one of those areas, like you said, is a 73 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: team gonna trade up in order to get to this 74 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: spot because we know they're pretty much locked into Matt 75 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: Ryan for the next two years based upon a salary 76 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: and I do think Arthur Blank wants to maintain that stabilization. 77 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: But with that said, there's Arthur Smith. See in Trey Lance, 78 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill, but even better with what he was able 79 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: to do with him in Tennessee. Or do they go 80 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: out and say we're gonna be an offensive weapon team 81 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna go out with Ridley, with Julio Jones, with 82 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst, and with Kyle Pitts or another dynamic wide receiver. 83 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that happens. I think that Arthur Smith 84 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: and the Falcons are gonna be smart at four, which 85 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 1: could change where that quarterback goes. Cincinnati Bengals at five, 86 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: you better take Penny Sewell with that to protect your 87 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: blindside and protect Joe Burrow, who absolutely got ravage with 88 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: hits pressure in sex last year. If you want to 89 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: protect your franchise, you do it with the cornerstone at 90 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: your left tackle spot. Miami Dolphins, I think they go 91 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: wide receiver all the way. I think that they're building 92 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: this team around to uh Detroit Lions. They don't have 93 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: a number one on the roster at the wide receiver spot. 94 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: I know that sounds funny when we talk about the 95 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions and drafting wide receivers. This is a time 96 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: they need a wide receiver. With Marvin Jones obviously gone 97 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: and US picking up Kenny Golladay through free agency. Carolina Panthers, 98 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: I know some people said, well they just traded for 99 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: Sam Donald. Maybe this is a spot for a quarterback. 100 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: I think that this is where Rashaan Slater from Northwestern, 101 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: the offensive tackle goes. You want to put Sam Donald 102 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: in the area of where he's gonna excel and where 103 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: he's gonna feel comfortable in that offense and Joe Brady scheme, 104 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: which we saw work in the middle of the field, 105 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: the five to ten and fifteen yard passes, the intermediate 106 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: passing game, they need that protection and they truly haven't 107 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: had that blindside player for a long period of time, 108 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: going back to Georgia Gross Denver Broncos. This is the 109 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: one that's very appealing. I don't think they're going into 110 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: the season thinking that Drew Lock is the answer. So 111 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see if they move up 112 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: from nine, possibly with the Atlanta Falcons at four, or 113 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: if they stay there. I think that this is a 114 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 1: quarterback spot as well. I think that they're very determined 115 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: whether it's justin Fields or tray Lands, based upon who 116 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: is available there. Maybe Matt Jones, we don't know. I 117 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: just think that they're going in with a quarterback in 118 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: mind for this draft, and John Elway has to get 119 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: this right before he really steps off into the sunset 120 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: and not really a part of the Denver Uncle's organization 121 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys they've got to go defense. I 122 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: think that's Caleb Farley or Patrick's certain. So with that said, 123 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: we're looking at four, maybe five quarterbacks drafted in the 124 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: top ten and the big question is is it worth it? 125 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: With that said, it's based upon your roster and your 126 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: football team that you have around him in order to 127 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: help him grow. Sam Donald's a perfect example. You can 128 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: bring in a prospect, but if you don't surround them 129 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: with the coaching staff, the independent techniques and fundamentals needed 130 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: to excel at the NFL level, and the support staff 131 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: within the weapons around him, you're not gonna be able 132 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: to get things done. So as much as people think 133 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: that a quarterback is going to completely change the dynamic, 134 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: it changes it some, but you need pieces added to 135 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: it as well. So, Dave, do you think it makes 136 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: sense for the Giants? And I was a David deal 137 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: Mott draft by the way I was tending doesn't they said, 138 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: you think for the Giants in the mid rounds here 139 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: to pick a developmental quarterback then you and have as 140 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: a long term backup or maybe who knows, maybe they 141 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: developed into something more than that, or do you think 142 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: you can just roll with a veteran backup like Mike 143 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: Glennon and and let Daniel Jones marinate as a starter. 144 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: I think that you let Daniel Jones marinade as a starter. 145 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: We obviously know that he needs to excel and have 146 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: an unbelievable season in We've seen the weapons that the 147 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: Giants had surrounded him with and will continue to surround 148 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: him with. And I think the signing of Mike Lennon 149 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: was a good signing for the New York Giants. A 150 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: veteran backup has played a lot of football. He's gonna 151 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: be very good in that quarterback room going through breaking 152 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: down coverages, schemes to help Daniel Jones to develop. So 153 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: for me, I don't think the Giants need to draft 154 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: the quarterback in the later rounds. I think this is 155 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: one is where your step put with those two players 156 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: in their spots and build the rest of this roster 157 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: because we know their pieces needed. All right, we both 158 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: don't think this player is dropping to the Giants at eleven, 159 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: but we I think we have to talk about him 160 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: just because he's such a unique specimen at the position. 161 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts man, you mentioned him, and possibly going forth 162 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: overall with for tight end would be unprecedented. But boy, Dave, 163 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: you can put him out there next wide receiver. I 164 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: think that guy is gonna be okay. But he's a 165 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: willing blocker to which is kind of what makes him special. Yeah, 166 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: I mean, do you always here on the defensive side 167 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: of the ball, you're looking for that matchup nightmare, that 168 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: matchup nightmare. Well, Kyle Pitts on the offensive side is 169 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: that matchup nightmare. His size, his speed, is range, his 170 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: versatility which allows him to flex at different positions to 171 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: where you may have him one on one, possibly up 172 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: against the linebacker and the safety. That's a win for 173 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: you on the offensive side of the ball. So it's 174 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: gonna be very interesting. Do they see him strictly as 175 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: a tight end based upon the draft or do they 176 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: see him as a weapon, Because if it's just strictly 177 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: tight end and you're gonna keep him in between and 178 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: work the intermediate part of the game, that's where I 179 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: think for me, Jamaar Chase is the number one guy overall. 180 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: His ability to catch the football over the top, his 181 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: ability to stretch the football field vertically, I just think 182 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: he is such a polished product and a route runner 183 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: that he would be for me the number one guy 184 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: for pastaching weapons on the outside, but for tight ends, 185 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: without a doubt, Kyle Pitts is one of the best 186 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: prospects we've seen in a very long time. All Right, 187 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: how about the Giants picking a tight end on either 188 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: day two or day three here, Dave, because they do 189 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: have Kyle rode off. Evan Ingram's on the last year 190 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: of his rookie contracts, so who knows how much longer 191 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: he's gonna be her car Rudos on the wrong side 192 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: of thirty, So we don't know if that you know 193 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: five years from now answers on the roster right now 194 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: and be based on the age, math and economics and 195 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: all those sorts of things. Contracts. Anybody you like on 196 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: day two? You know Pat Fryar, who is somebody from 197 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: Penn State that a lot of people like. I think 198 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: Tommy Tremble out of Notre Dame is a fascinating player 199 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: who can I think almost play that Kyle, you should 200 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: check role and do a little full back, do a 201 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: little tight end. Who do you like maybe on day 202 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: two or day three that could be a good fit 203 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: of the Giants as a long term tight end. Alright, 204 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to the game breakdown notes here, Here we go, 205 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: pet Friarmouth obviously Penn State, big body six. One area 206 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: that you have to worry about, tourist labor, the interior 207 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: exterior of it. And obviously the one thing that he 208 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: did throughout October because of that happened, he only did 209 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: drills during his pro day, So you really don't know 210 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: where his forty at, where his time is at in 211 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: that aspect. A great tight end football like you, knows 212 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: how to find holes in zones, gives a quarterback and 213 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: open target. He sells routs and combinations with his body. Lean, 214 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: He's got that head and shoulder break, head and shoulder 215 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: shake in and out of breaks. He's not scared to 216 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: go across the middle, strong hands to grab the ball 217 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: at the highest point to catch and snatch and secure it. 218 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: And he'll run off the ball. You see him come 219 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: off with his pad level and he'll come off. But 220 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: the thing that he doesn't do foote work wise in 221 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: the run game, doesn't take consistent angles and doesn't get 222 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: himself to the second level to where the linebacker is 223 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: going to be not where he's at. You've got to 224 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: anticipate that they're gonna run based upon movement. The thing 225 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: doesn't run through his flock. Sometimes he stops his feet 226 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: when he gets to contact, and sometimes when he's ups 227 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: his feed he gets out of balance and gets defensive ends. 228 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: The ability to shuck and pull through and create open space. 229 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: So for me, I think that he's an intriguing prospect. 230 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: But for me, like you Tommy Tremble out of Notre Dame, 231 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: I think he's a sleeper in the draft, not only 232 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: because of his flexibility at tight end, but like you said, 233 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: his ability to be that h back, heavy handed, downhill 234 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: run blocker, moves defenders in both the zone and power schemes. 235 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: That's something that you love about him. Notre Dame ran 236 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: a lot of different run schemes. They ran power, they 237 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: ran zone, they ran duo. He fits all of those. 238 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: So he fits any NFL scheme and offense that you're 239 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: looking to run pass pro. Good footwork, drops his weight 240 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: to get in and out of breaks pass pro. If 241 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: you put him at the line of scrimmage, he will punch. 242 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: He gets his hands inside, He's able to hold off 243 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: and take on defensive ends. That's that added aspect that 244 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: you definitely want out of. Your tight end needs more 245 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: size and more catch points at the line of for 246 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: power for here needs to use size more at catch point. 247 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: He likes the power for when he needs to get 248 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: in and out, but when he doesn't use that power, 249 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: it's almost like he's at a standstill. Your power forward 250 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: that did twenty reps of the bench, like get into 251 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: that spot and own your place, and that that's something 252 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: that you know that when you're a security blanket for 253 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: a quarterback, you've got to get those openings. And the 254 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: thing that we all know that when it comes to 255 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: any of these tight ends, him only being a junior 256 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: and it was a loaded tight end room, and that 257 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: in that Notre Dame roster, he's got to read coverages 258 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: better and do a better job at the timing and 259 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: the understanding of what the route combinations asked for. But 260 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: I love what he brings to the game of football. 261 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: I love his nastiness and he is that two way 262 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: type of player that can bring a lot to your offense. 263 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: Anyone else that's height end really jump out at you 264 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: day day that that that you think is worth mentioning, well, 265 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: you know what, you obviously got brevn Jordan, great body 266 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: control in traffic and he yards after catch monster. You 267 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: know it's physically drops his paths before on contact. He 268 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: ran a four six seven, But for me, he looks 269 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: faster on film than a four six seven. He's not 270 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: scared to mix it up. In the run game, He'll push, 271 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: he'll finish. They've used him as a lead blocker, but 272 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: at that point he's not strong enough at the point 273 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: of attack. He's not somebody that's gonna move somebody from 274 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: point A to point B up against their will. He's 275 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: more of his own skin. Guy. You've got to get 276 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: a tackler, another tight end to work with him, or 277 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: work duo concepts in order for him to get really 278 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: that movement and his hands us uh. Not only just 279 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: in the run game, too many body catches, too many 280 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: into the body instead of being a natural hand catcher, 281 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: and not as polished as as as a route runner 282 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: as Tommy Tremble and obviously as Kyle Pitts Trey McKitty 283 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: Top tight End Award at the Senior Bowl. Obviously, the 284 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: transfer from Florida State to Georgia question marks. He had 285 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: his knee scoped and knee surgery, so he didn't work 286 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: out in his pro day. Not quick twitch or huge 287 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: burst off of the limit line of scrimmage, but as 288 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: speed to work to see him and get over the 289 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: top on linebackers. One thing that struggles with him in 290 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: the run game he drops his head when he goes 291 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: to tee off when he's got one on. Once he 292 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: gets out of balance, his heads get over his head 293 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: and shoulders get over his feet and once again gets 294 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: pulled through. And in regards to his route running, not 295 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: as athletic and as fluid with his creativity in and 296 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: out of the brakes. Uh So he's another guy that 297 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: people are talking about. So for me, those are the 298 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: kind of the guys that that you know, I've broke 299 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: down into the rounds of whether it's second, third, maybe 300 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: fifth or six. If the Giants we're looking for an 301 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: additional tight end. But as I said, Tommy tremble Is 302 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: is my sleeper for the tight ends all right. Finally, 303 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: Dave running back obviously, say Kawan Barkley coming back off 304 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: his injury last year, the expect he'll be backing good 305 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: to go. Otherwise, DeVante Booker is the only the guy 306 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: right now on the roster that has a lot of 307 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: experience as a backup running back that can do it all. 308 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: So what type of running back and then give me 309 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: some names running backs? Do you like he or maybe 310 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: in in the mid rounds, maybe early day three something 311 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: and like that that you think could be a good 312 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: fit to be a backup and potential compliment to what 313 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: Sakwan Barthley brings to the field for the Giants. And 314 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: I think this is very important for the Giants to 315 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: solidify that backfield and to have different, different types of 316 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: threats and different type of body styles that bring a 317 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: different aspect to the game. And we've seen obviously throughout 318 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: the last two years with sick On getting injured the 319 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: way that he did, and we know that he's coming 320 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: back strong and healthier than ever. But you can't rely 321 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: on not having that one guy that can be that 322 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: home home run hitter for you and really be able 323 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: to fill that void if you need to, not only 324 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: on first and second down, but more importantly on third 325 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: down with the type of passing lead that we've turned 326 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: into into the NFL micro Michael Carter and see I 327 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: absolutely love his game tape got better every year in college, 328 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: led the S A, C C and yards rushing per 329 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: game and rush yard's total as a senior. He's on 330 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: a mission. When he's got the football in his hands, 331 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: you can see it. He gets determined, he gets downhill, 332 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: big playability, twenty three plays of twenty plus yards in 333 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: shifty and tough to tackle, not only in the open field, 334 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: but in holes. You'll see linebackers get wrapped up, they 335 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: get their feet stuck in ground. He's able to make 336 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: a move and get those extra yards. He can hit 337 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: and fit through any size of NFL run gap. People 338 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: be like, well, what do you mean? People say, well, 339 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: he's only five seven two oh one. You know, well, 340 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: is that the prototypical size. No, But when you see 341 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: how small the gaps are in the run game in 342 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: the NFL, on how quickly they close, he has that 343 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: speed to put his foot in the ground and go 344 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: north and south and to get those yards in an instant. 345 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: People have a problem with his size, he's maxed out. Well, 346 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: he's Flick carries with Javonte Williams. Who really is carrying 347 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: a full workload in the NFL other than Derrick Henry. 348 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: Right now, you want guys that come in that have 349 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: have other standings of of not only sitting back and 350 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: letting developing work between you and another running back, but 351 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: the fact that he's so diversed in his past catching 352 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: skills that he's an integral part of the screen game. 353 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: And talk about versatility. He's also a kick return That's 354 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: something that you also love out of him coming in 355 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: at the running back position. Trey Sermon, Ohio State. You 356 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: know a lot of people are high on him. Natural 357 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: runner to adjust and cut two holes. He's patient and 358 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: has vision to press the holes at the line of 359 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: scrimmage before cutting them. Backside runs and power through contact 360 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: or how this is the one thing that you have 361 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: to think about how States scheme. It is all off 362 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: tackle zone, it is all's perimeter running, and it is 363 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: all zone and duo, so you're looking at everything with 364 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: zone reads at outside zone stretch. He doesn't really fit 365 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: that power game. Is the one thing that worries me 366 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: about him. Injuries, back, knee, shoulder. You know carries by 367 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: season four fifty four when he got injured and one sixteen. 368 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: For me, I just don't see that breakaway speed and 369 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: I don't see a player that has that speed and 370 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: that ability to burst when that hole opens and develops. 371 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: You know, people love his size and what he brought 372 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: to the National Championship Game. But even with that said, 373 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: he's not one of the top guys that I would 374 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: see in the draft. 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I'm 393 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: taking the outside the trenches here, man, It's time to 394 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: talk about some of the pretty boys out there. You ready, absolutely, Johnny, 395 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: I kind of have different needs for him. I called 396 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: live Redivas, but uh, I tell you, I love my skinny, 397 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: my skinny wide receivers out there that every once in 398 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: a while come in and they out a safety, so 399 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: they play a big role. Well, Sean, here's the thing 400 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: I like about this class, or at the top of 401 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: this class. I don't think we have any divas. I 402 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: really don't. Uh talk about this group at the top 403 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: that you really like. Yeah, I mean really this group 404 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: of receivers, you know, they definitely they definitely bring a 405 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: lot to the table and and you don't see up 406 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: as much of the showmanship as maybe you have in 407 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: the past with some of the guys um. But you know, 408 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: when you look at the group, the top three really Jamaar, Chase, 409 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: they Smith and Jalen Model they kind of I feel 410 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: like as you look at everybody's boards and where everybody's 411 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: starts off with. Those three guys are kind of in 412 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 1: a class all their own. Um. Jamaar Chase obviously opts 413 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: out last year, so he doesn't have any game footage 414 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: from you go back to two does nineteen John, and 415 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: he led the FBS with twenty Touchdowntowns and he and 416 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: Joy Burrow were, uh, you know, an unbelievable pitch and 417 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: catch combination. So just a phenomenal catch radius with this guy. 418 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: I mean, look, you can put the ball anywhere, He's 419 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: gonna make a ridiculous circus catch. Um, he's got great 420 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: body control with the ball in the air and whether 421 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: he's got to turn around or jump over somebody or 422 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: or make a one hand. Um, there's some plays. John, 423 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: I kind of remind you of another LSU wide receiver 424 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: that that the Giants used to have in O b J. 425 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: So he's got a lot of DeAndre Yeah man who Yeah. 426 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: The hands you know, just kind of like they're like 427 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: mits going up and they just kind of engulfed the ball. Um. 428 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: Watching him in his pro day and just kind of 429 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: running around, I think he look a lot more muscular 430 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: than I thought he would be. Um, so definitely a 431 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: much thicker guy, um than than maybe people would even realize. Um, 432 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: DeVante Smith and Jaylen Waddle, you know these two guys, 433 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: DeVante Smith, when you look at his production, um, you know, 434 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 1: I mean he's it's I'm gonna when you look at 435 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: his numbers and what he what he's done, I think 436 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: you know when you look at the records that he said, 437 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: he said a record in the SEC for single yards 438 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: in a season as well as throughout his career. So 439 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: the production is there to think about the receivers that 440 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 1: have come through Alabama and yet this guy has you know, 441 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: has records there forty six career touchdowns. That's an SEC record, 442 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: So just ununbelievable production. You mentioned the mindset and the 443 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: team player. This guy was a two time captain Alabama, 444 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: which is not something that happens very frequently down there. 445 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: And uh Sabing went on record and said, this kid 446 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: is the hardest worker on the team. And that's that's 447 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: the kind of guy that you're getting with Davante Smith. 448 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people get caught up on 449 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: the numbers John and his size, and you know that 450 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: he's a hundred and sixty five pounds whatever that is. 451 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: But no, that kind of production you you can't ignore. 452 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: And I think you have to just look at man, well, 453 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: how does he still find a way to get it done? 454 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: And he plays so much bigger than his numbers tell 455 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: you in its frame. Um, and John, I I tell 456 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: you he's not scared of block. He come, whether it's 457 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: asking to block someone at the line of scrimmage, whether 458 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: you're asking him to come in and dick out a 459 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: safety in an amen box, or whether he's out blocking 460 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: another corner or safety on a screen to to to 461 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: spring his fellow wide receiver, which you did a couple 462 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: of times for Henry Ruggs a couple of years ago. Um, 463 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: you know he's more than one to do that. So 464 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: right out of the game tomorrow, Chase Davante Smith, the 465 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: production is there, and and you've got Jaalen Waddle. Um, 466 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle obviously fractured his ancle last year, so we 467 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: missed some time. But I think he brings a little 468 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: something different to the table than DeVante Smith, and that 469 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: he is just unbelievably dangerous after the catch. And if 470 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: you're a team right now, you're a team like the Giants, 471 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: looking for some production offensively, you know any of these 472 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: guys would give that to you. Jalen Waddle, the thing 473 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: about him, you know that that dangerous after the catchability. 474 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: A lot of that translates to the fact that he's 475 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: a returner, and so there's another feather in his cap. 476 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: You get a kid like him and he can return kickoffs, 477 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: he can return punts, he can help you out on 478 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: special teams as well. Now, based on how the top 479 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: ten in this draft is probably going to go Sean, 480 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw Jamaar Chase and I'll pits who I 481 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: know is the tight end, but playmaking category, I'm throwing 482 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: them out the window here. They're not gonna make it 483 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: to eleven. Let's say, though, something weird happens. Maybe you know, 484 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: Michael Parsons moves up five quarterbacks, go, a bunch of 485 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: offensive linemen go, and the actually have both DeVante Smith 486 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: and Jalen Waddle on the board at eleven. In terms 487 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: of the Giants makeup on the roster, the way Jason 488 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: Garrett runs his offense, which one of those guys you 489 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: think would be a better fit with the rest of 490 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: this Giants wide receiver corps. Yeah, it'd be a good 491 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: problem to have, Johnny if both of those guys are 492 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: sitting there. And you know, while I do think the 493 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: Giants are okay at the wide receiver right right now, 494 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: I don't think they need to draft a receiver in 495 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: the first round. Um, if those guys are sitting there, 496 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how you pass on them. I would 497 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: definitely be intrigued with Jayden Waddle. And I think the 498 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: return ability definitely, uh that that hits home with you. 499 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean, look, he led the FBS as apartment returner 500 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: in two thousand nine, m over twenty four yards a return. 501 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's game changing. That that that's that's 502 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: flipping the field. Um, literally every time he feels a punt. 503 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: So that aspect is big. I think, you know, just 504 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: looking at the Giants, like, Okay, what do we have 505 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: Kenny Golladay. You've got your big, physical receiver. You've got 506 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: Stirling Shepard in the slot, who's a physical guy. You've 507 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: got Daris Slayton, who is your burner and your speed 508 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: speech stir, But do you have a guy that can 509 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: just can take an X now a quick bubble throw 510 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: and make two guys miss and just create that instant offense. 511 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: I think that's what Jalen Wattle would bring to the table. 512 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: And and I think the John's would be extremely excited 513 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: if he was there. Left they don't have someone you 514 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: can just dump the ball to on the screen and 515 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: then he's gonna go gain seven yards not named Sakekan Barkley. 516 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: Barkley can do it, but nobody in the receiver corps. Yeah, 517 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: And I think Sean, it's interesting too how much of 518 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: this is dependent And you talk about need right with 519 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: wide receiver, and I agree, you sign Kenny Golladay. You 520 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: don't have a gaping hole there that you need to fill. 521 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: And how much do you take in consideration how you 522 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: think Joe Judge and Jason Garrett want this offense to look, 523 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: you know, how do they want it to function? Is 524 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: it gonna be you know, let's limit Daniel Jones thirty 525 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: passes and we'll run it thirty or thirty five times 526 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: a game. How do you think they want the offense 527 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: to look in the context of wanting to add another 528 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: big time playmaker wide receiver to make things easier on 529 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: your quarterback. I mean, I think it's a run first mentality. Offensively, 530 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: I don't think they want Daniel Jones throwing the ball 531 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: forty five times a game, and I don't think that's 532 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: in Daniel's best interest either, And I think he would 533 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: probably tell you that, like he's he's got a great 534 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: deep ball. I think when when he's got a chance 535 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: to set his feet step into throws, he's as accurate 536 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: as anybody in the NFL. And I do think that 537 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: with his athletic ability to be able to to build 538 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: some of those big throws and those big chunks out 539 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: of play action is huge. And you get him outside 540 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: of the pocket, you get him working some r P 541 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: O s. I think that that really all just blends 542 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: well together. So I don't see this offense with Jason 543 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: Garrett as you know, a ton of three wide receiver 544 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: personnel or empty formation, run and shoot mindset. Are there 545 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: times in game situation where you have to that, absolutely, 546 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: but you kind of go back to Jason Garrett in 547 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: Dallas when they were a highly functioning offense with DeMarco 548 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: Murray who led the league in rushing. Was Zeke Elliott 549 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: who has led the league in rushing. It has been 550 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: with two and three tight end packages and ironically last 551 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: year when you look at a lot of the big 552 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: time play actions and a big passing plays down the field, 553 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: it was only with two wide receivers on the field, 554 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes even one, and it was two man 555 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: and three man routes. So I really think that's where 556 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: this play design is structured. And I think from a 557 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: mindset standpoint, healthy Sakewan Barkley kind of builds everybody else 558 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: around there. So you definitely need some guys that can 559 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: create some some space and separation um and yards after 560 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: the catch. But you know, I don't get the feeling 561 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: this is like the Kan City Chiefs offense where we're 562 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: gonna spread you out and we're gonna, you know, open 563 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: things up by running vertical routes. So then that makes 564 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: you think maybe wide receiver and not in the first round. 565 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: But showing the good news this is that the draft 566 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: is more than one round, so the Giants can always 567 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: go back to that position later. And much like each 568 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: of the last three years worth of receiver classes, it's 569 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: pretty deep wide receiver class too. So who are some 570 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: of the guys that you like maybe on Day two 571 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: that intrigue you. Yeah, it's it is a deep class, 572 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: and you know, I think man. Even in the second round, 573 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: you get some phenomenal athletes and some guys that that 574 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: really have some some natural ability. Um. You know, one 575 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: of the guys that jumped out at me on film 576 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: was Kadarius Tony, the wide receiver down to Florida. I know, 577 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, they're tight end is getting all kinds of 578 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 1: love and everybody's drooling over him and what he can 579 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: bring to the offense. But if you're watching film on 580 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, you're gonna see this kid number one, and 581 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna say, who is this guy? I mean, and 582 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: he's he was probably one of the toughest tackles in 583 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: all of college football in the last couple of years. 584 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: And when you see some of the plays that not 585 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: just the speed that he has once he has the 586 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: ball in his hand, but his ability to say at 587 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: corners up, whether he's in the slot, whether he's outside. 588 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: He's got these simple little feints and kind of body 589 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: gestures that I mean, he just really shakes himself open. Um. 590 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: It's really a skill set and I think he makes 591 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: he's so smooth with it. Um. Look, I mean, I 592 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: mean it helps that he ran a four three seven four. Um. 593 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: So he's got electric speed. They used him on jet sweeps, 594 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: they used him on screens, they use him to play 595 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: action down to Florida. So I think Darius Tony, there's 596 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: a chance he may not get out of the first round, 597 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: but if he's there in the second round, to your point, Uh, 598 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: he's a guy that I can see them jumping all 599 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: over m Rondale Moore the wide receea route of per Due. 600 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: This is another tough kid and you watch him play 601 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: with the stiff arm and fighting through tackles, bouncing off 602 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: of guys. He kind of reminds you of Steve Smith, 603 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: the wide receiver down in Carolina for a number of years, 604 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: with just kind of this this ferocious mindset when he 605 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: the ball or when he's fighting for the ball. So 606 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: he's a very physical guy. I think he blew people 607 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: away with his personal workout. He ran a four three, 608 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: jumped through the roof. Um, this guy's he's really strong. Um. 609 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: You know at five seven, you know you can call 610 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: him vertically challenged. But um, he's a guy that, you know, 611 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: I think it would be a steel in the second round. 612 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: And we're gonna stick with the same theme. Sean All 613 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: about the little futians this year, who's your sleeper for 614 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: Day three? You know every year there's a couple of 615 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: guys that, you know, maybe you end up being a 616 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: fourth round pick, fifth round pick, sixth round pick, and 617 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, they just kind of It's like people are 618 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask after the draft, man, how did 619 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: that guy make it that far in the draft? And 620 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: for me, it's it's Jalen Darden, the little Wade Sea 621 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: round in North Texas. I think he's probably the shiftiest 622 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: wide receiver in college football the last couple of years. Um. 623 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: You know, obviously you look at at all the talent 624 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: that we just talked about. This kid has something that 625 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: these other guys don't. He can get free in a 626 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: phone book, John, I mean this guy with the defenders 627 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: literally right there trying to grab him like he would 628 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: be a star in flag football. You know, you wouldn't 629 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: be able to touch the flag, let alone tackle the guy. 630 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: So you just watch what he's able to do even 631 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: in limited space. He's got unbelievable cuts, his shifting, this 632 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: his acceleration. He had one of the fastest ten yard dashes. 633 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: And everybody I know, we all focused on the forty. 634 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: His ten yards split was even if not the second fastest, 635 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: it was the second or third fastest in his entire 636 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: receiving group. So his acceleration and his burst is phenomenal. Um. 637 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: He set a record in North Texas for receiving yards 638 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: and you know, I let the kids motivated. He plays 639 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: tough too, so I think for the Giants that that 640 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: could end up being a really cool pickup. Um. It's 641 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: kind of like the signing that they had this off 642 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: Sason with John ross Um, the Cincinnati Bengal wide receiver 643 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: who was phenomenal at Washington did everything was ridiculous after 644 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: the catch. His only knock was he just he's never 645 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: been healthy since he showed up in Cincinnati. He was 646 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: banged up from the rookie his rookie year to his 647 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: last year. And um, you know, I look at Jalen 648 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: Garden and I see some similar qualities there. So he 649 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: could be somebody that that man. I'll tell you what 650 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: johns stands would he would be in that instant legend 651 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: and training camp. John, you know, every year you go 652 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: out there and somebody wows the crowd. You know, hopefully 653 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: we have a crowd this year in training camp, but 654 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: he would become an instant legend and training camp. Yeah. 655 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: You mentioned his explosiveness in his short area quickness a 656 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: six six seven three cone drill, which I think is 657 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: in the nineties six percentile of all wide severs in 658 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: the last thirty five years. So yeah, needless to say, 659 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: the guy's a lousive and much like you mentioned with 660 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle, he's a return man too. If you want 661 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: these him on special teams that will put in return action, 662 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: then are you very difficult to catch showing great stuff 663 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: on the white outs? My friend, We appreciate it as always. 664 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: That's another preview heading into the draft, which is coming 665 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: up next week for David Deal and Show O'Hara. I 666 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: am John Schmulk. As a reminder of the Johnt Subtle 667 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: podcast as part of the Giants Podcast now we're presented 668 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: by Investors Bank. 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