WEBVTT - Update: The Deepfake Law

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Olivia Carvell, one of the hosts of Levittown.

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<v Speaker 1>Since we released this series, the US has moved closer

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<v Speaker 1>to passing a bill that would crack down on deep

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<v Speaker 1>fake pornography. The US House passed the Take It Down

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<v Speaker 1>Act with a near unanimous vote, and now that bill

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<v Speaker 1>is heading to President Trump's desk. I spoke about this

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<v Speaker 1>legislation with the folks over at the tech Stuff podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>which is produced by our partners Kaleidoscope and iHeart. We

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to share my conversation with them here with you,

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<v Speaker 1>our Levittown listeners. So here it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to tex Stuff, a production of iHeart Podcasts and Kaleidoscope.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm mos Vloscian and today Karra price Night will talk

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<v Speaker 2>to Bloomberg's Olivia Carville about the Take It Down Act

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<v Speaker 2>and what it means for the future of the Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a landmark bill aimed at combating AI harms,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically deep fakes.

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<v Speaker 3>They're used in scams, they're used in spreading misinformation online,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'd say most notably, they have been used in

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<v Speaker 3>the non consensual creation of porn.

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<v Speaker 2>Right and that's what this legislation is all about. This

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<v Speaker 2>week Congress passed the Take It Down Act, which aims

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<v Speaker 2>to crack down on the creation of revenge porn i e.

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<v Speaker 2>Pornographic images that are shared non consensually. The Act specifies

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<v Speaker 2>that those who distribute revenge porn, whether the quote real

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<v Speaker 2>or computer generated, could be fined or subject to prison time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's had rare backing from both sides of the political

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<v Speaker 2>aisle and from First Lady Milania Trump. As of Wednesday afternoon,

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<v Speaker 2>the time of this taping, the bill heads to President Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>who's likely to make it law.

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<v Speaker 3>Here to walk us through the Take It Down Act

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<v Speaker 3>and what it means for tech companies is Olivia Carville,

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<v Speaker 3>investigative reporter for Bloomberg News and co host of the

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<v Speaker 3>podcast Levittown, which is a must listen agreed wherever you

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<v Speaker 3>get your podcast put It covers the rise of deep

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<v Speaker 3>fake porn. It also happens to be a co production

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<v Speaker 3>of Kaleidoscope. Olivia, Welcome to tax Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for having me. It's great to

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<v Speaker 1>be back with Kaleidoscope's team.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks thanks for being here, Olivia. You've been tracking this

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<v Speaker 2>bill for a long time. When did the push for

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<v Speaker 2>legislation on deep fake pornography begin.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it has been a very long journey to

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<v Speaker 1>get here. We've seen quite a lot of states across

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<v Speaker 1>the US rolling out legislation to try and target deep

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<v Speaker 1>fake porn since the revolution really began a number of

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. Now at the moment, more than twenty states

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<v Speaker 1>across the country have introduced new laws. But one of

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<v Speaker 1>the criticisms we heard time and time again, and something

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<v Speaker 1>we raised in the Levetown podcast is the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>there was no federal law criminalizing this across the US.

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<v Speaker 1>And this bill was first introduced last summer in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, its bipartisan legislation. Senators Cruise and Clobashah put

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<v Speaker 1>it forward and it unanimously passed in the Senate, but

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately it stalled in the House last year and that

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<v Speaker 1>led to a lot of frustration from the victims. Earlier

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<v Speaker 1>this year we saw it once again take it down,

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<v Speaker 1>was reintroduced, unanimously passed in the Senate, and then earlier

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<v Speaker 1>this week and very exciting news, it was also unanimously

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<v Speaker 1>passed in the House. And we're talking a vote of

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred and nine to two, and that's kind of remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>At the moment, given the current polarized political climate we're

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<v Speaker 1>living in right now. The bill is en route to

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump's desk and there's a lot of expectation that

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to sign it soon.

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<v Speaker 3>So just to go back for a second, what is

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<v Speaker 3>the Take It Down Act? And what does it say?

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<v Speaker 2>So?

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<v Speaker 1>The Take It Down Act is actually an acronym for

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<v Speaker 1>a very long piece of legislation that's tools to address

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<v Speaker 1>known exploitation by immobilizing technological deep fakes on websites networks.

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<v Speaker 3>I think who came up with take it Down is

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<v Speaker 3>pretty easy to remember. Great, Yeah, you know it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>an acronym.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it is an acronym. And the law really

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<v Speaker 1>does exactly what that title implies, which provides a way

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<v Speaker 1>to ensure this content can be taken down from the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's where it's particularly harmful, is where it starts

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<v Speaker 1>to be shared across high schools and in friendship groups.

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<v Speaker 1>So the law goes after two main parties. One, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes it a crime for offenders to knowingly publish deep

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<v Speaker 1>fake pornography or intimate images, whether they're real or created

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<v Speaker 1>with AI, and then if they do, they can serve

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<v Speaker 1>up to two or three years in prison, depending if

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<v Speaker 1>the individual in the photo is an adult or a minor.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it also challenges or holds to account the

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<v Speaker 1>technology companies, the social media platforms where often this content

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<v Speaker 1>is shared and disseminated on and it forces them to

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<v Speaker 1>remove these deep fake images within forty eight hours of

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<v Speaker 1>being notified of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I have two questions for you, Olivia. Firstly, as this

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<v Speaker 2>phenomenon becomes more and more ubiquitous, what will this law

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<v Speaker 2>mean practically if you discover you're a victim? What will

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<v Speaker 2>it allow you to do you can't do today? And secondly,

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned the liability of the platforms. How does this

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<v Speaker 2>intersect with Section two thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>So for a victim of deep fake porn, a young

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<v Speaker 1>person who maybe finds or discovers that fake pornographic non

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<v Speaker 1>consensual images are circulating online, now this law gives them

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<v Speaker 1>a path forward to get those photos taken down, to

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<v Speaker 1>get them scrubbed from the internet. Finally, so it enables

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<v Speaker 1>them to file a report with the social media platform

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<v Speaker 1>or the website or app where these images have been

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<v Speaker 1>published or disseminated, and to inform them that it's deep

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<v Speaker 1>fake porn, that it's non consensual and that they want

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<v Speaker 1>it removed, and then within two it has to be removed,

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<v Speaker 1>and the FTC, the Federal Trade Commission, is responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>holding those companies to account to get that taken down.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing it gives victims is a path to justice.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a way to go after the offenders who publish

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<v Speaker 1>this content or even threatened to publish this content against

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<v Speaker 1>the survivors. Well, you ask about two thirty, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>a great question, because this is one of the only

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of consumer tech legislation where federal regulators have been

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<v Speaker 1>able to come in and actually sign a law in

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<v Speaker 1>place that impacts young people using these platforms Section two thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>and it comes from the Communications Decency Act. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>very controversial piece of legislation and it really did change

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet. And it was written into law back in

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<v Speaker 1>the mid nineties. And don't forget that that's before Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>was even created. This law, which governs all these social

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<v Speaker 1>media platforms, was written at a time before or social

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<v Speaker 1>media even existed. And what it does is it provides

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<v Speaker 1>an immunity shield. So these platforms are not responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>the content that is uploaded onto them. So anything that

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<v Speaker 1>is posted on Facebook Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, Twitter, now X.

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<v Speaker 1>The platforms themselves cannot be held legally responsible for that

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<v Speaker 1>content in the choices they make around removing it or

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<v Speaker 1>allowing it to stay up. In this law, the platforms

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<v Speaker 1>are being held to account to take down deep fake porn,

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<v Speaker 1>to take down this specific form of content. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>why it's so controversial, and that's why there are critics

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<v Speaker 1>of this act because some people think that this law

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<v Speaker 1>will be weaponized or abused, and it's going to result

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<v Speaker 1>in the platforms taking down a lot more content than

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<v Speaker 1>what this legislation covers.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Section two thirty in part introduced because of concerns over

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<v Speaker 3>online pornography.

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<v Speaker 1>So two thirty was first introduced because at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>judges and the legal system was ruling that platforms were

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<v Speaker 1>liable for any content that was posted on their sites.

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<v Speaker 1>And that meant that if a platform decided to remove harmful, grotesque, vile,

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<v Speaker 1>or violent content, say someone being cyber bullied or punched,

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<v Speaker 1>or content about drugs or alcohol, content that they just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to share with their other users, if they

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<v Speaker 1>took that down, they were actually being held responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>that decision in the legal system. Judges were saying they

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<v Speaker 1>would be held accountable and legally responsible for removing content

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<v Speaker 1>and people could sue the platforms for doing so. So

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<v Speaker 1>the law was written to actually protect the platforms and

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<v Speaker 1>enable them to moderate their content to try and make

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet a safer space. It's kind of counterintuitive when

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<v Speaker 1>you think about it, because unfortunately now what's resulted is

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<v Speaker 1>it's enabled these platforms to have so much power over

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<v Speaker 1>the content that's up and enabled them to wash their

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<v Speaker 1>hands and say this isn't our responsibility. We can't be

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<v Speaker 1>held legally liable for this. We're effectively walking away.

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<v Speaker 3>And necessitated a lot like this one to come into play.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean in a certain sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it definitely did. And here the law

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<v Speaker 1>is relatively narrow. We're not talking about any form of content.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about only content that involves non consensual intimate imagery,

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<v Speaker 1>whether that's real or created by AI. So that enables

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<v Speaker 1>people who see photos of themselves which have been manipulated

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<v Speaker 1>using technology to undress them or turn them naked or

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<v Speaker 1>put them into sexual acts, which is something we explored,

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<v Speaker 1>and leave itt town. Those images in that content can

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<v Speaker 1>be taken down with this act.

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<v Speaker 2>Some tech companies and adult websites only fans. Pornhub Matter

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<v Speaker 2>already have policies in place where users can request that

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<v Speaker 2>revenge porn be taken down. What will be the change

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<v Speaker 2>from a user victim point of view once this becomes law.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right. I mean even Nick Meek, the National

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<v Speaker 1>Center for Missing and Exploited Children, has a tool which

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<v Speaker 1>is actually called take it Down, which does exactly the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. Enables people to plug in a photo or

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<v Speaker 1>a hashtag which is like a unique idea of each image,

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<v Speaker 1>to say I don't want this online and I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>victim of this, and please remove it. But the law

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<v Speaker 1>regulates this, and it makes it a federal law to

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<v Speaker 1>say you have to remove it, and you have to

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<v Speaker 1>remove it within two days. So I guess it's just

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<v Speaker 1>putting a stricter approach to this, so the platforms know

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<v Speaker 1>they have to oblige and they have to get that

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<v Speaker 1>content scrubbed from their websites.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an amazing moment in the Levittown podcast where one

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<v Speaker 2>of the high school students who realizes she's been a

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<v Speaker 2>victim of deep Fate porn. Her father's actually a police officer,

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<v Speaker 2>so they try and figure out is there any legal

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<v Speaker 2>recourse and the response from the police is basically, there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing we can do. It's kind of amazing in the

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<v Speaker 2>arc of your career as a reporter that the law

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<v Speaker 2>is actually changing in real time and response to the

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<v Speaker 2>stories that you've been covering, these very moving, horrifying stories.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you the victims think about this law and

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<v Speaker 2>what's been the response among your sources.

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<v Speaker 1>The victims have been waiting for this for a very

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<v Speaker 1>long time. When you think about the origin story of

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<v Speaker 1>Take It Down, it was when Aliston Barry, a young

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<v Speaker 1>teen from Texas, actually went to Senator Cruise's office and

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<v Speaker 1>told him that a deep fake image of her had

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<v Speaker 1>been circulating on Snapchat and she had asked the platform

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<v Speaker 1>to remove it, and after a year, the platform still

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't taken that image down. That's what really sparked this

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<v Speaker 1>particular piece of legislation. And we've seen young teenage you know,

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<v Speaker 1>high school students, college students speaking before Congress pleading for

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<v Speaker 1>a law like this, asking for help to find a

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<v Speaker 1>path to get these images removed from the internet. Because

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<v Speaker 1>i'm fortunately, you know, in teenagers' lives today the digital world,

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<v Speaker 1>as you bequit us. They exist within it, and they

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<v Speaker 1>merge between the online world and the offline world. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't call their friends on the phone, they don't call

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<v Speaker 1>their parents on the phone. You know, they'd be more

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<v Speaker 1>inclined to send a DM through Instagram or a message

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<v Speaker 1>on Snapchat. And when you exist in your social fabric

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<v Speaker 1>exists within the digital world. That means that when images

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<v Speaker 1>like this are shared, everybody sees them. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's the real harm here is the photos created. It's fake,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks unbelievably convincingly real, and it gets shared to

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<v Speaker 1>everyone in your social network within seconds. These young women

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<v Speaker 1>have been fighting for help and support, some at the

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<v Speaker 1>state level and they've been successful, but really they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>this at the federal level. So for a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the young women, I think it's been like a sigh

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<v Speaker 1>of relief that finally we're here, and you've given us

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<v Speaker 1>and other young women who have been victimized or had

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<v Speaker 1>their images weaponized in this way a path to justice,

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<v Speaker 1>but also a path to get those photos removed from

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet once and for all.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this all sounds like a very positive thing, and

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<v Speaker 3>it has bipartisan support. Are there people arguing against it?

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<v Speaker 3>And are there criticisms of the bill despite it being

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<v Speaker 3>overwhelmingly positive.

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<v Speaker 1>There definitely are As is the way when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to social media or consumer tech, there is an ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>tension and like a push and pull between privacy and safety.

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<v Speaker 1>You have those who you know, prioritize safety and say

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<v Speaker 1>protecting children online is the most important thing we can do.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you have those who value privacy and say,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're going to create safety regulations or rules that

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<v Speaker 1>in any way we can our privacy, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a bad thing to do, because privacy is something that

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<v Speaker 1>we need to priori ties as well. And so in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, you do have free speech and privacy advocates

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<v Speaker 1>criticizing this law for being unconstitutional, saying that it could

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<v Speaker 1>chill free expression, that it could foster censorship, that it

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<v Speaker 1>could result in what they describe as a knee jerk

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<v Speaker 1>takedown of content. And what I mean by that is

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<v Speaker 1>because these platforms and I'm talking about meta, Snapchat, TikTok,

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<v Speaker 1>because they've grown so big and we're talking billions of

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of content uploaded on a daily basis, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to enforce regulation or legislation that says they have

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<v Speaker 1>to take down certain content within forty eight hours, and

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<v Speaker 1>say they get flooded with millions of requests on a

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<v Speaker 1>daily basis, they are not going to have the bandwidth

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<v Speaker 1>to actually review each request and that could result in

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<v Speaker 1>them just deciding to remove everything that gets reported to them.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is what free speech and kind of privacy

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<v Speaker 1>advocates fear is going to result in a level of

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<v Speaker 1>censorship that we haven't seen before because no one's been

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<v Speaker 1>able to really adjust two thirty since it was written

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<v Speaker 1>into law. We've also, interestingly seen some criticism coming from

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<v Speaker 1>the child safety advocacy space, and they've come out swinging

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<v Speaker 1>saying that while this bill, in this legislation is necessary,

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<v Speaker 1>it's far from game changing, that it's taken too long

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<v Speaker 1>to get here, and that the penalties aren't severe enough

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<v Speaker 1>that this is going to put a lot of pressure

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<v Speaker 1>on local and state authorities, prosecutors, law enforcement to actually

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<v Speaker 1>go after the perpetrators in a more severe way. Because

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at Take it Down, we're talking two

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<v Speaker 1>years in prison for publishing an intimate image of an adult,

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<v Speaker 1>deep fake or real, and up to three years for

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<v Speaker 1>a minor.

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<v Speaker 2>What about the tech companies, I mean, are they viewing

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<v Speaker 2>this as the first battle line in the way to

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<v Speaker 2>fight over the future of Section two thirty. Have their

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<v Speaker 2>lobbyists been active on this issue, and how are they

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<v Speaker 2>preparing for this extraordinary new set of responsibilities that will

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<v Speaker 2>come with a passage of this bill? Is so you

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<v Speaker 2>mean to get signed by President Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the tech companies, a lot of them actually do

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<v Speaker 1>have rules in place that says non consensual intimate or

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<v Speaker 1>sexual images can't be shared. I mean, even on Metas

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<v Speaker 1>platforms alone, it's against the rules to post any nude photos.

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<v Speaker 1>But in this case, now that they're being kind of

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<v Speaker 1>forced to do so by regulation, Metas come out in

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<v Speaker 1>support of this, saying, you know, we do think that

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<v Speaker 1>deep fake porn shouldn't exist on our platform, and we

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<v Speaker 1>will do what we can to take it down. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that from the platform's perspectives, they don't want fake photos,

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<v Speaker 1>fake naked photos of teenage girls shared on their platforms,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's not a positive use case of their networks

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<v Speaker 1>at all. They don't want their users sharing or distributing

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<v Speaker 1>this content. And now they're being told and hold to

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<v Speaker 1>account to ensure that it's taken down within two days.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'd be interesting to see how the companies internally

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<v Speaker 1>are responding to this, and what the process is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be and whether it's actually going to change anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Olivia, just to close, I mean, you've had kind of

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<v Speaker 2>an extraordinary run this year, putting out the Levittown podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>also having extraordinary documentary called Can't Look Away that Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 2>produced distributed about the harms of social media. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>sort of take a step back and describe this moment,

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<v Speaker 2>because one thing that Karen and I talk about and

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<v Speaker 2>think about is that five years ago, the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>the law might catch up to the tech companies and

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<v Speaker 2>there would be enough social pressure to insist on changes

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<v Speaker 2>to protect users from harm seems to be like a fantasy.

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<v Speaker 2>But in this moment, there seems to be some promise

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<v Speaker 2>that it's actually happening. Can you speak about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been covering the dangers of the digital world for

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg for going on almost four years now, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have been terrified by what I've seen online. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not talking just deep fake porn and you know, witnessing

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<v Speaker 1>the real world consequences of these photographs being shared among

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<v Speaker 1>teenagers in high schools, and I'm talking the impact on

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<v Speaker 1>the young women who are targeted, but also the young

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<v Speaker 1>men who think that it's normal to create and share

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<v Speaker 1>photos like this, think it's a joke. The way in

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<v Speaker 1>which teens and this generation are kind of warped by technology,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we don't fully understand what the long term

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<v Speaker 1>consequences of that are going to be. But the harms

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<v Speaker 1>of the digital world exist far beyond deep fakes, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we were exploring and the Can't Look Away film,

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<v Speaker 1>and the film itself explores the other ways in which

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<v Speaker 1>social media can harm kids, from recommendation algorithms, pushing suicide,

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<v Speaker 1>glorifying content, content that is going to lead to or

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<v Speaker 1>mental health harms, or eating disorders. It explores the ways

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<v Speaker 1>in which kids have been targeted by predators online who

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<v Speaker 1>want to sell them drugs, and in many cases they

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<v Speaker 1>think they're buying counterfeit pills like xanax or oxycodone, and

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out to be laced with enough fentanyl to

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<v Speaker 1>kill their entire household, and parents are discovering their children

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<v Speaker 1>dead in their bedrooms. So it's been a really difficult

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<v Speaker 1>topic to explore, but also in just such a crucial one.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of the most essential issues of our time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that this has been a challenging yet

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<v Speaker 1>very rewarding area to explore. And I know there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of criticism of the Take It Down Act, but

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of the controversy, most people agree this is a

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<v Speaker 1>step in the right direction. And I think this act

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<v Speaker 1>is a good thing. But it's very narrow. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're only talking about removing content that is non consensual

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<v Speaker 1>intimate imagery. We're not talking about all the other content

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<v Speaker 1>that could potentially harm kids. So while the fight here

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<v Speaker 1>is a win and we should celebrate that, the broader

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<v Speaker 1>concern around protecting our children in the online world is ongoing.

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<v Speaker 3>Olivia, Thank you, Thanks Olivia.