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Speaker 1: What's up, guys. Welcome into a brand new episode of

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Speaker 1: Chargers Weekly, fresh off the twenty twenty two NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: joined by Matt mney Smith as always, and this would

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Speaker 1: be our last appearance with Dave Brugler and Buddy. We

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Speaker 1: should give Dane a ro out of applause for that

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Speaker 1: incredible performance of the last four mounts with the Beast

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Speaker 1: and get everybody informant. I was referred to that thing

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Speaker 1: all weekend long, Manum. I know it's a lot of work,

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Speaker 1: but congratulations, Oh hey, it was every years. So much

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Speaker 1: work goes into it, and you're like, why am I

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Speaker 1: doing this? Yea, it's even worth it, Like what are

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Speaker 1: we doing here? Uh? You know when it's two o'clock

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Speaker 1: in the morning in middle of January and you're trying

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Speaker 1: to find how many siblings the seventh front corner has.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, it's it's all. It was all

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Speaker 1: worth it to put it all, to put it all

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Speaker 1: again either and then it's a lot of fun to

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Speaker 1: see these guys get drafted. All the reactions and then

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Speaker 1: you know, um got a lot of positive feedback from

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Speaker 1: fans that you know, we're using the guide as the

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Speaker 1: reference and so that. That's really cool to hear. Percent

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Speaker 1: nine point nine so pretty close. Um uh, you're Illinois punter.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what was it a Patriot pick? It's always

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Speaker 1: the Patriots. It's greet you right. Well, look, I all

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Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty two players that were drafted were

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Speaker 1: in the Draft guide. So that okay, that's what I

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Speaker 1: was talking about. Did you get everyone of those drafts?

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Speaker 1: You got one hundred percent? Yeah. Now there were a

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Speaker 1: few players that I didn't have a write up for,

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Speaker 1: but they were ranked in their all their testing data

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Speaker 1: was in the in the guide. So that was work.

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Speaker 1: That that that's the goal every year is to get

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Speaker 1: everybody that's drafted in the guide. So that happened. Congratulations.

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Speaker 1: Not easy, No, it's not. Yeah, it's all it takes

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Speaker 1: is one team that really love a player that you know,

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Speaker 1: and I thought they're you know, they're like a German

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Speaker 1: prospect that the last two weeks before the draft all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden started to get this buzz and you're like,

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Speaker 1: oh no, because he's not in there, but he might

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Speaker 1: have a chance to get drafted. But now, thankfully for

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Speaker 1: me selfishly, uh yeah, everybody was in there. Where the

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Speaker 1: author of the what's that. Oh, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen his Blake. Has he signed yet with the team.

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Speaker 1: I saw the Illinois kicker got drafted, which no, he

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Speaker 1: got signed by the Chargers as as an undrafted free agent.

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Speaker 1: Which is interesting because I called the NFLPA game and

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Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher set him up to fail. He basically just

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, Fisher, you totally screwed this kid.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't give him an extra ten yards. So it

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Speaker 1: was interesting to see the Chargers brought him into camp

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Speaker 1: as a competition as a competition kicker. We know that's

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Speaker 1: what it was. When I when I saw that, I

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Speaker 1: got real excited thinking it was it was now, so

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Speaker 1: did I, guy, I don't think. I don't think our

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Speaker 1: man Blake has made a roster. Clearly, my eyes are

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Speaker 1: not trained for what the world wants and punters, I

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Speaker 1: guess Alas, I'll go back to twenty twenty three, Dane.

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Speaker 1: Let's just start at the top. Man. The Chargers had

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Speaker 1: a bunch of picks. I think we talked about Zion

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Speaker 1: was at number seventeen. Overall the way the boards shook out,

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Speaker 1: it looked to be the right move for the Bolts.

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Speaker 1: And credits to you, uh, you know, Chris, because I

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Speaker 1: um and that that's ended up. The direction I went

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Speaker 1: because you know, it just it was such a perfect fit.

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Speaker 1: And turns out, you know, there were a few players

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Speaker 1: I was asked two weeks ago before the draft who

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Speaker 1: know what, Zion Johnson. He's my favorite player in the

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Speaker 1: so impressive. The position flex is great. He started double

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Speaker 1: it just checks a lot of boxes for what you're

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Speaker 1: How Jamari Sallier, who you know is a left tackle

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Speaker 1: the middle of the National Championship game. Why does he

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Speaker 1: It's it's incredible that he was there based on you know,

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Speaker 1: you remember about Trey Pitkins about your evaluation to him,

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Speaker 1: patient with him. He played two games last year and

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Speaker 1: last year it looked like a different player. So what

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Speaker 1: what sue falls right? U. Yeah, So, I mean we're

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Speaker 1: when you're moving from that level of play to UH

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Speaker 1: We don't talk enough about the development part. After these

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Speaker 1: important to understand what these guys can do and projecting

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Speaker 1: you a ton of pass rush? Probably not. I mean

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Speaker 1: you do see uh you know, a little bit of spurts,

429
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Speaker 1: a little bit of flashes here and there, but that's

430
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Speaker 1: not he's he's not really a guy that's going to

431
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Speaker 1: be a penetrator consistently. But you do love the traits.

432
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 1: You do the size almost thirty four and a half inch, arms,

433
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Speaker 1: really strong at the point of attack. Uh, he does

434
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Speaker 1: have explosiveness at contact, and so he can create movement.

435
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Speaker 1: Uh you know, he had He makes it really tough

436
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Speaker 1: on blockers to anchor down. He can get those guys

437
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Speaker 1: moving in reverse, and so he plays really well versed

438
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Speaker 1: the run. And that's something that I think is going

439
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,479
Speaker 1: to be an important part of for him as a rookie,

440
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Speaker 1: being part of that rotation upfront in the charger scheme. Um,

441
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: it'd be interesting to see exactly where they line them up,

442
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 1: if they see if they kind of move them around

443
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 1: or not. But not much of a pass rusher, but

444
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,159
Speaker 1: I think a really good run defender and someone that

445
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 1: should be part of the rotation. Pretty early I was

446
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 1: doing coverage for for NFL Network, Dane, and so you know,

447
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 1: at the end of each day, who's the winner or this,

448
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 1: and who's the winner of that? And and sadly, repeatedly,

449
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 1: I felt like I kept looking at the Chiefs and going, oh, man,

450
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: I really liked Trent vic Duffy and George Karlofti's and

451
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: hotted sky more last this long when you just to

452
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Speaker 1: kind of scout the rest of the vision, just kind

453
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Speaker 1: of your thoughts on their first for what I don't remember,

454
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 1: Channa was their fourth or fifth, but whatever it was.

455
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Speaker 1: But just like it seemed like, man, they got a

456
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 1: lot of really good players early in this draft. Yeah,

457
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Speaker 1: definitely one stings for you. I know, it's it's it's stings.

458
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Speaker 1: I thought it continued on day three. I mean, I

459
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Speaker 1: so for the athletic I don't do grades, but I

460
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Speaker 1: my spin is I rank ones thirty two my favorite

461
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: draft classes. Just no analytical formula here, just you know,

462
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Speaker 1: I like these. Yeah, from my gut, you know, I

463
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: really like what they did. And the Chiefs were number

464
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Speaker 1: two for me. So sky Moore might have been my

465
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Speaker 1: favorite pick of the entire entire draft. To get him

466
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Speaker 1: at fifty four He's not an apples to Apple's replacement

467
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: for Tyreek Hill. They're very different players. But you think

468
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 1: about what Skymore does for that underneath passing game and

469
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Speaker 1: what he can do vertically with a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes.

470
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Speaker 1: That's just I think that's a chance to be really

471
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Speaker 1: special pretty quickly. But yeah, then to get Leo Chanal

472
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Speaker 1: later and then even like on Day three last year,

473
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Speaker 1: Tray Smith out of Tennessee, they get him in a

474
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Speaker 1: sixth round and he has this great rookie season. He's

475
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Speaker 1: a consistent starter for them. He might have done the

476
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Speaker 1: same thing with Darien Kinnard out of Kentucky. Go back

477
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Speaker 1: to the SEC, get a guy that's falling, and then

478
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Speaker 1: maybe Jamar Sawyer will be that guy too. So you know,

479
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 1: a couple of those SEC guards I thought, you know,

480
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,239
Speaker 1: fell where maybe we did. We thought they'd be Day

481
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Speaker 1: two picks. But yeah, the Chiefs, I thought they knocked

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Speaker 1: out of the park. The Raiders, they didn't have a

483
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Speaker 1: pick in the first two rounds, and so obviously you

484
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: know that that heard of quite a bit. But to

485
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Speaker 1: get Dylan Parham at a Memphis in round three I

486
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Speaker 1: thought was outstanding value. A guy that can play guard,

487
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: can play center. Uh. He brings that versatility. He reminds

488
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 1: me a lot of Shack Mason, uh coming out and Okay,

489
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: well the coaching staff pretty pretty familiar with Shack Mason,

490
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Speaker 1: so I thought that was a natural fit. That made

491
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Speaker 1: a lot of sense that they pick up zamor White.

492
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Speaker 1: They get Neil Farrell, the more of the nose tackle

493
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Speaker 1: out of LSU there in the fourth round, UM, and

494
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Speaker 1: then the Matthew Butler after that more of thee So yeah,

495
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: complimentary defensive tackles back to back there. I didn't even

496
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Speaker 1: they are a month for out of Ohio state tackle

497
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Speaker 1: guard versatility. UM. At the very least, he's gonna give

498
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Speaker 1: you some immediate depth. So like what they did. And

499
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,719
Speaker 1: then you know the the same thing with Denver where they

500
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,479
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have the draft picks, but I thought they

501
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Speaker 1: maximized where they were drafting to get a Nick Benito,

502
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Speaker 1: who you know, there are questions about Nick Benito as

503
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Speaker 1: a run defender, and you know you have to plan

504
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Speaker 1: for him. Well, he's going to a defense where you've

505
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Speaker 1: got Bradley Chubb on one side, Randy Gregory on the other,

506
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Cooper, you know, out of Ohio State last year.

507
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: I had had a pretty good rookie season. You just

508
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Speaker 1: add you sprinkle in Nick Benito to the mix where

509
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Speaker 1: he's going to be a sub package player and you

510
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: don't you could be a little creative with how do

511
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Speaker 1: how you use him. I think that makes a lot

512
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Speaker 1: of sense. I think great Ultchick and everybody got more

513
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Speaker 1: benned than Benito. By the way, does anybody bend more

514
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Speaker 1: than that? Gay? It's like his body is just cranked

515
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Speaker 1: in half. When he hits that edge, He's just shot

516
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Speaker 1: out of a rocket. I mean his that initial burst.

517
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: I mean he had one of the best ten yards

518
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Speaker 1: splits in this draft. And no surprise because that matches

519
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: the tape. So in his ability to force the quarterback

520
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Speaker 1: to move his speed and to always okay, you know,

521
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Speaker 1: I got to look for his number. I know he's

522
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Speaker 1: out there, um and so it's Nick Benito creates pressure

523
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Speaker 1: and that that's what you're looking forth the position. Dultchick

524
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Speaker 1: getting him the third round. You know, he was uh

525
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Speaker 1: you know the I think believe the second tight end drafted,

526
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Speaker 1: which is what we thought he'd be. Uh not gonna

527
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Speaker 1: be your traditional you know hand on the ground wye

528
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: tight end, but as an f tight end that you

529
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Speaker 1: can use in the in the s lot. You could

530
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Speaker 1: use him in line a little bit, but he's gonna

531
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Speaker 1: be a first down machine at least have that potential.

532
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Speaker 1: And so you know, you trade away Noah Fan, you

533
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: bring in coached it. You know, it's uh, I don't

534
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Speaker 1: think that's big of a that big of a drop

535
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Speaker 1: off for Denver and what they did at tight end

536
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Speaker 1: and would surprise you most about that first round. We

537
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Speaker 1: talked about when the run on quarterbacks was gonna happen.

538
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Speaker 1: The run never happened. Malique Willis goes in the third

539
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Speaker 1: round pick. It was the only first round quarterback drafted,

540
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Speaker 1: and frankly, I think that that maybe affected the Chargers

541
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Speaker 1: plan not knowing you know, if there was maybe two

542
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: or three quarterbacks going before them, who knows what the

543
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 1: board would have looked like. Yeah, And it's funny when

544
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Speaker 1: you do a mock draft, it's it's hard to find

545
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: landing spots for those guys. And so you know, I

546
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Speaker 1: in my final mock, I had Kenny Pickt going twenty

547
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: as my first quarterback off the board, just because it

548
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: was it was tough to figure out Okay, even if

549
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: there are trades, who's trading up? I didn't see the

550
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Speaker 1: same drafting and quarterback. You know, maybe the Lions could

551
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: make it that kind of jump. So um, you know,

552
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Speaker 1: I don't think it was too surprising that only one

553
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: quarterback went in the first round. Now, the fact that

554
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: zero quarterback went in the second round, to me, that

555
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: was the shocking part of this quarterback class because we

556
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: talked so much about you know, Malik Willis, where could

557
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: he go uh in the first round, and maybe Sam

558
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: how S meeks in there or uh, you know, Desmond

559
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: Ritter has a chance. And so for no quarterbacks off

560
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: the board besides Kenny Pickett until I think it was

561
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Speaker 1: seventy four und right, that's crazy. I mean, at some

562
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: point it's just like, okay, well, you know, let's let's

563
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: roll the dice on this player. Because Sam how he's

564
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: got talent and yeah, I know last season did not

565
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: go as planned. Um, I heard some of his interviews

566
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: weren't all that great. But he's got a beautiful deep ball.

567
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: He's he's got more than enough arm strength. Uh, he's

568
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: a mobile player. Uh. And he's he's you know, a

569
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: good character guy, like good football character. So I don't

570
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Speaker 1: know that was surprising to see him last all the

571
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Speaker 1: way to the fifth and I mean I can already

572
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: hear the Sam Howell chance. Uh you know with uh person,

573
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: you know person he's gonna play. There's no question like

574
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: that time of day, and that one was crazy. I

575
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: don't know how that guy lasted. He is way too

576
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: talented to be there in the fifth round. And maybe

577
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: the happiest guy was Jammy Brown h for Washington, who

578
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: they drafted Day two last year and now they get

579
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: to reunite. So that would be pretty cool. Uh if

580
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: Sam how gets on the field. But yeah, the quarterbacks,

581
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: But you know what I love where the quarterbacks ended up.

582
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: You know, if you're the Falcons, Desmond Ritter, it's he's

583
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: not gonna stop you from drafting a quarterback next year

584
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: if that's the direction you want to go, um, but

585
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: you just want Desmond Ritter in your quarterback room. So

586
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: I thought that was a great spot for him there

587
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: in the third round. Malik willis going to Tennessee. He's

588
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: not going to be pressing the action from day one.

589
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: You can develop him at his own pace behind Ryan Tannehill.

590
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: So really like that fit. That I think that made

591
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Uh, he's not a mentor in

592
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: Tennessee though, I tell you that. Yeah, well, you know

593
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: what that's okay. I mean I don't think Brett Farve

594
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: didn't mentor Aaron Rodgers, and uh yeah, Dak Prescott was

595
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: not mentored by Tony Romo. Tony Romo had the same

596
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: same attitude towards it. You know, I get it. It's

597
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: it's just not how it works in every situation. So

598
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: but who knows how, you know, once these guys get

599
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: to camp and you know, start working together, and you know,

600
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: it's just that that kind of stuff, it'll happen organically. Maybe. Um.

601
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: But Matt Correll going to the Panthers another one where

602
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: h you know, it's it's such a a bizarre quarterback

603
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: situation right now for the Panthers as they try to

604
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: figure out, you know, who's going to be the guy. Okay,

605
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: let's let's roll the dice on a guy like Matt

606
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: Correll here in the late third round. I didn't love

607
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: that they're trading future draft picks already to go up

608
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: and get him. But you know, if you're if you're

609
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: Matt rule, Tomorrow's not promised, So you know, let's let's

610
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: go try to get a quarterback Adam to the Knicks.

611
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: A guy with an explosive arm can put points on

612
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: the board. Uh, consistency, We'll figure it out. But you know,

613
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: adding adding Matt Correll made sense. So even though we

614
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: only had one quarterback in the first two rounds, which

615
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: is so rare, I mean, it's you never see it,

616
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: I still think that it made sense where these quarterbacks

617
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: ended up. Let it go ahead, Yeah, gee, I would

618
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: love to know, just because since we're on the non

619
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: charger part of the conversation again, just asking you to

620
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: dig into a beast's prior and and you know, the

621
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: samhow things crazy to meet. The Baker Mayfield thing is

622
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: nuts to me. It's such a weird situation two years ago.

623
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: The guy has a solid season, beats the absolute hell

624
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: out of the Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoffs, and in

625
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: my opinion day he's better than half the quarterbacks in

626
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: the league, and he cannot find a job. Like your

627
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: evaluation of him and what you were hearing and why

628
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: teams were just so reluctant to bring him in instead

629
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: of you know, drafting a Matt Corral or a Desmond

630
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: Ritter or something. You know. I know they signed Marcus Mariota,

631
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: but just like how that guy doesn't have a job,

632
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: it looks like he might not have a job. Yeah,

633
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: it's it's such a layered conversation because and I mean,

634
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: I agree with all your points, and you falso factor

635
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: in that Baker corps hurt this past year, so he's

636
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: not playing at one hundred Percentum. Yeah, I mean they're

637
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: If you're gonna list the thirty two best quarterbacks in

638
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: the world, he's in that conversation. I mean, he's a

639
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: starter NFL starter probably, and he's probably somewhere in that, uh,

640
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, twelve to twenty range in terms of you know,

641
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: being the one of the best in the world, be

642
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: being able to do it. Now that it like, I

643
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: think the timing of everything, it just totally screwed everything up.

644
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: You know, if that Deshaun Watson trade happens in uh,

645
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, the beginning of the offseason, before all these

646
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: dominoes fell, who knows. I mean, maybe Washington instead of

647
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: the draft capital or to go get Carson Wentz, maybe

648
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: they use some of that draft capital to get a

649
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. Um. But it's just the fact that that

650
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: it took a while because of the legal proceedings and

651
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: everything for that Deshaun Watson trade to happen. Now where

652
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: we are, it's okay, uh, you know, the Carolina Seattle,

653
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just so there's just not many chairs

654
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: left for a Baker Mayfield. And if you're like the

655
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: if you're the Falcons, you're not competing next year, Like

656
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to hire draft pick. So I'm

657
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: not exactly looking to trade future draft capital to make

658
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: my quarterback situation better right now when we're rebuilding for

659
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: the long term. So where a lot of these teams

660
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: are in their timelines, it just didn't match up. So

661
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: unfortunately for Baker and for the Browns, they're just not

662
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: going to get great value for him. And so for

663
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: the Browns they have to make a decision, Okay, are

664
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 1: we just going to take a fifth round pick and say,

665
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,239
Speaker 1: all right, you know what, that's just it is what

666
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: it is, because he's not he's not playing for the

667
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: Browns ever again, I mean, that's not going to happen,

668
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: right Deshaun Watson likely you know, he's facing a possible suspension.

669
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's never putting on a Browns uniform again. But

670
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: is it worth hanging on to him a little bit

671
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: into training camp even though he's not going to show

672
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: up for training camp and say, you know, maybe the

673
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: be an injury somewhere and then that's when we can

674
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: maybe make a trade or they just do it now.

675
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: So many moving parts here, the money that's involved, and

676
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: that's another part of this that I think it is

677
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: worth mentioning. We talked so much about that option, why

678
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 1: quarterbacks could go in the first round, that fifth year

679
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: option for quarterbacks, that's an anchor exactly. It's it's not

680
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: as appealing as people think. Look at Sam Darnold, look

681
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: at Baker Mayfield, the Giants not picking up that fifth

682
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: year option. For Daniel Jones, that's right. If your quarterback

683
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: is good enough, you're already talking extension by the time

684
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: you get to that time to pick up a fifth

685
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: year option. So it's it's it's not really something that

686
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: I think teams look at and say, well, you know,

687
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: let's just take our quarterback now because of that fifth

688
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: year option in the late first round. So that that's

689
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: part of the conversation as well with these quarterbacks. Dana

690
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: I know you got a roll man, We'll get you

691
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: out here on this. Just maybe quick hit thoughts on

692
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: a couple of dbs. At the Charges drafted just sir

693
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: Taylor at awake, Dean miss and then our guy get

694
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: the fullback in there? Yeah, full back in there. Only

695
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: full back drafted those last three picks. And I know

696
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: you say you don't do grades, but maybe give us

697
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: give the Charges a subjective grade here, objective grade. I mean,

698
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: just here Taylor a guy that can help out as

699
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: a return man. Uh. He loved the speed mid four fours.

700
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: So he's got explosiveness. Uh, he's got the aggressiveness that

701
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: you want as a dB. So I think there's a

702
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: lot of things that you're looking for traits at this

703
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: point in the draft, right, and so speed because cornerback

704
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: we know Stockwatch position, So you're going to speed, You're

705
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: going that aggressive mentality. I love the way he competes

706
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: with wide receivers. I mean he will not back down,

707
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: and so you love that about him. Uh, fluidity, he

708
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: could turn and run ball, skills, he finds the football,

709
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: make plays, so uh, you know, I think that's something

710
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: that showed up a lot on Justier Taylor's tape, and

711
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: so I understand you know why they, you know, would

712
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: want to roll the dice on him. With With Leonard, uh,

713
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: you know he's a guy again say a lot of

714
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: the same things that I said about Taylor, same thing

715
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: with Leonard. You're a guy that good size six one

716
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: one ninety five. Uh and you know or yeah, you

717
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: want to bake on the speed, right so fourth three

718
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: seven forty year dash. Uh. So you know he's he's

719
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: the type of guy that you know, it's been on

720
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: the speed, see what happens, bring him the camp, make up,

721
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: bring up a part of this competition. Uh, see what

722
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: he can do. And so like that, uh like that addition,

723
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: and then with Horvath, Um, I mean he's a guy

724
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: that's just easy to appreciate. I mean he was he

725
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: was a Shrine guy and so uh watching the practice

726
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: tape of him at the Shrine game, which was really cool. Um,

727
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe not going to uh there's a

728
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: little bit of okay, is he uh is he going

729
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: to be a ball carrier? Is he gonna be a blocker?

730
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: Is he going to be a receiver? Like, I mean,

731
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: how do you exactly use him? He's a little bit

732
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: of everything. I mean he does um, he does a

733
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: little bit of everything. So you see balance at contact,

734
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: you see hands out of the backfield. Maybe not the

735
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: most explosive guy out there, but for a guy that's,

736
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: you know, his size, two hundred and thirty pounds, he

737
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: moves really well and so I think he has upside

738
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: as a blocker, he is upside as a pass catcher,

739
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: and he's got special teams experience that that that's key,

740
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: more than anything is can you come in, Can you

741
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: play special teams, especially as a as a fullback and

742
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: a guy that you know it's probably always going to

743
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: be towards the bottom of the roster. You need to

744
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: be able to play special teams and prove your worth,

745
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: prove your roster spot. That's the first thing I thought, Chris.

746
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: I just thought back to how good Derek Watt was

747
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: on special teams when he was here, and you know what,

748
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: would he get maybe three to five snaps a game

749
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: like that was basically as max, but he was just

750
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: a beast on special teams. And I think for Tom Tolesco,

751
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: he's always had luck with the linebacker fullback combination on

752
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: special teams. Those tend to be the better performers over

753
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: his tenure that that get out there. So you know,

754
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: last year it was Nieman, before that, it was de Zumner.

755
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: Before you know, between those two it was it was

756
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: Derek Watts. So that's kind of what I saw with Horvath.

757
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: But I would love to know Jane just quickly, just

758
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: to put a button on him, because we saw Stephen

759
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: Anderson last year tight end would line up as a

760
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: full back wood block, would catch some passes out of

761
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: the backfield. Does he have like that kind of movement

762
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: where he could be or run the route kind of

763
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: guy like like almost sort of an extra tight end.

764
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: Does he have that to him or No? I don't.

765
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: When you watch him on film, I don't think you

766
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: see like an explosive athlete. But I did really like

767
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: his balance and his change of direction. So I do

768
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: think that he has some of that to him. And

769
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: he tested really well at four six and the forty

770
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: yard dash his average, but you look at his three

771
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: cone six seven five, that's well above average for a

772
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: guy that's two or thirty pounds. So I do think

773
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: some of these angle routes, some of these quick hitters

774
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: the underneath passing game. Absolutely, I think he could be

775
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: an asset. So and look he's got the you know,

776
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: the background that you won as well. He's a former

777
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: walk on, worked his way to you know, having you know,

778
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: the career that he did. Led the team in rushing

779
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: last season in twenty twenty, and then led the team

780
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: in rushing touchdowns his past year. So he's got that

781
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: mentality that grinder make it mentality that I think you

782
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: want to see. And to Chris answer your other question

783
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: about where the Chargers just rank overall. So on my

784
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: article that I that I mentioned that my favorite draft classes,

785
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: the Chargers came in at number eleven for me, so

786
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: a team that I did really like. I mean Zion

787
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: Johnson one of my favorite players in the draft. You know,

788
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: getting not having that second round pick obviously played a

789
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: part in why they were eleven and not top ten,

790
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: not higher. But I really liked what they did with J. T.

791
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: Woods and then Isaiah Spiller and I mean Jamari Sawyer

792
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: maybe the best value of the entire draft in my opinion.

793
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 1: So I did really like what the Chargers did top

794
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: third in the league and money, I know you like

795
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: boiler Makers. The last three Perdue boiler Makers drafted by

796
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: the Chargers Sean Phillips, Nick Hardwick and Drew Brees worked

797
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: out pretty well. Huh three for three? Yeare you go

798
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: go back to that well or maybe go back to

799
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: West Lafayette. That's right, Dane, Uh, thank you, thank you

800
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: so much, man. This was an awesome last month with

801
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: you spending some time and I'm breaking everything down for us.

802
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: We can't thank you enough. And money we're gonna go

803
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: from this is one of my favorite positive year to

804
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: next week the schedule release. We're gonna break down all

805
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: seventeen baby, oh yeah, boy, oh boy. I love doing that.

806
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: We'll objective forty week seven on the road. This isn't

807
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: gonna be great, guys, mean well, I just want to

808
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: I want to plant this seed real quick because I I, uh,

809
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: it's just me show. It's a humble brag even though

810
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show my ignorance. I don't know their names,

811
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: but I know their numbers to ain't uh. Fifteen, thirty

812
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: one and eighty eight, I believe are the numbers of

813
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: the three dudes that that getting me excited about the

814
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: draft next year. All defensive players, all in the sec

815
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: UM two Alabama one, Georgia George's eighty eight, Alabama's fifteen

816
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: and thirty one. Right, yeah, Jalen Carter the defensive, he

817
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: might be the best defensive lineman that Georgia produces. And

818
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: that's saying something considering Georgia just had three first round

819
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: defensive lineman and I mean Will Anderson. He would have

820
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: been incredible, would have been a number and overall pick

821
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: this year if you were allowed to declare as a

822
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: true sophomore. But he is, He's rare, he is very,

823
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 1: very different. He is in that Miles Garrett Chase Young conversation.

824
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: As you know, Joey Bosta, I mean, elite type of

825
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: edge rusher, no doubt. So definitely a guy to watch

826
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: for next year. There we go, and then the quarterbacks

827
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: would by five quarterbacks off the board the first round.

828
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting, it'll be I mean, next year's quarterback

829
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: class is always better, right, so, but I think I

830
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: think this year will certainly prove true. It's gonna be

831
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: the CJ. Stroud first Bracey Young conversation. We're gonna have

832
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: that conversation the next next eleven months and not you know,

833
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: just draft time, but Heisman conversation in Alabama and Ohio State, Uh,

834
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, vying for playoff contention and all that. I'm

835
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: a big believer in CJ. Shroud with what I saw

836
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: last year, the improvements he made throughout the year. He's

837
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: just for a young player. The anticipation he showed was outstanding.

838
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: I had a lot of talent around him and still

839
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: will Columbus. They just kind of restocked that wide receiver room.

840
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: It's pretty remarkable. And then brace Young a little undersized,

841
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: but he's got to two piece poison processing. I'm really

842
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: really impressive. So we'll be talking more about those guys

843
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: here soon enough. We keep giving up on my man

844
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: dj I'm not giving up on my man DJ La.

845
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: He's got I know, it just got sideways on him

846
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: a Clemson. He's the best high school quarterback I've ever

847
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: watched in my life. I refuse to believe that that

848
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: it's over for him. I'm holding that great young man too.

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Speaker 1: I'm holding not hope that that he can get that

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Speaker 1: worked out because you talk about measurables. My goodness, the

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Speaker 1: man's an absolute Jani former. You know, would have been

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Speaker 1: a first round pick as a center fielder playing baseball.

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Speaker 1: So that type of athleticystem. So let's uh, it's sold out.

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Speaker 1: Hope plant some positive seeds for the local kid to

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Speaker 1: figure it out this year. A lot of us just

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Speaker 1: see a mechanical with him. Just needs to be more

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Speaker 1: consistent put. Yeah, you're absolutely right though. The tools, the

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Speaker 1: trades off the charts. Yeah, twenty twenty three, we're already

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Speaker 1: talking about it. We're already here, baby, Danny. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for money. I'm Chris. This has been charges weekly.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next week for the schedule release. H