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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. When you see her, you

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Speaker 1: may think she's a model. This young mother of two

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Speaker 1: goes missing. The mystery surrounding the disappearance Melissa Trumpy is swirling,

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Speaker 1: and the more I investigate, it seems as if the

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Speaker 1: more tentacles it develops, and the mercier the mystery becomes.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM

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Speaker 1: one eleven. The more idelve into the disappearance of Melissa Trumpy,

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Speaker 1: the more I find out, the more obscure and odd

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Speaker 1: different players in this scenario are, the more possibilities as

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Speaker 1: to her whereabouts develop. First of all, take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our friends WMTV right now. A search underway to

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Speaker 1: find a woman from Monticello. The Greene County Sheriff's office

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Speaker 1: says Melissa Trumpy was last seen on Tuesday in Monroe.

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Speaker 1: NBC fifteen Disagambriella Rosque spoke with her family today, who

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Speaker 1: are desperately looking to bring her home. Authority say Melissa

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Speaker 1: is believed to have traveled to Shannon, Illinois the night

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Speaker 1: she went missing. Shannon is about an hour away from

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Speaker 1: Monroe and that area is where loved one spent hours

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Speaker 1: searching for her in cornfields, in woods, under bridges, in creeks.

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Speaker 1: While searching for Melissa Trumpy. Yes, she deserved better than that.

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Speaker 1: She really did. That family say, the thirty seven year

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Speaker 1: old is a loving mother. She's got three beautiful kids,

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Speaker 1: Carroll County Sheriff's Office believes Melissa may have been driving

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Speaker 1: a Tan Toyota Sedan. Anyone with any information is asked

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Speaker 1: to call Carroll County Crimestoppers. Just wait for a moment.

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Speaker 1: And when I tried cases, you could not say this

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Speaker 1: Put yourself in the position of Melissa's family. Think about it.

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Speaker 1: I don't like thinking about one of my children being missing,

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Speaker 1: or my husband being missing. I don't like to do that.

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Speaker 1: But just go with it for one moment. Think in

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Speaker 1: your mind. You don't have to say it out loud.

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Speaker 1: The person you love the most in the world. Now,

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Speaker 1: imagine yourself driving aimlessly around town, around the area, looking

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Speaker 1: in cornfields. Will you ever been in a cornfield? That's

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Speaker 1: through that looking for that person, that needle in a haystack.

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Speaker 1: Corn Fields in woods, in creeks. You know, when you're

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Speaker 1: gone through, and her children are wondering, where's mommy. When

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Speaker 1: don't care, But I look in the twins backpacks and

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Speaker 1: they have all this stuff in there for like two

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Speaker 1: or three days. Everything's just gone to well, hell hell

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Speaker 1: they been eating and drinking? It's just these children don't

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Speaker 1: Why where is she with me? An all star panel

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Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know right now? James

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Speaker 1: Shellnut twenty seven years mastro major case now lawyer at

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Speaker 1: Shellnut Law from dot com. Doctor Sherry Schwartz forensic psychologists

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Speaker 1: specializing in crimes and victim advocacy. She is the author

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Speaker 1: of Criminal Behavior and When Where Law and Psychology to Intersect.

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Speaker 1: Lisa M. Daddy O, former police lieutenant in New Haven,

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Speaker 1: Senior lecturer and the director for the Center of Advanced Policing.

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Speaker 1: the father of Melissa's youngest children. Benny, that is a

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Speaker 1: huge hurdle to get over where you tell yourself she's

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Speaker 1: Matteo is six almost seven, and Josie is eight. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be worse if your child thought you left

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Speaker 1: Trumpy did not just walk off on our own. That

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Speaker 1: Police say in Monroe she was believed to be heading

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Speaker 1: my mind is the Laundry family, Brian Laundry in the

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Speaker 1: Gabby Petito case. Although there wasn't necessarily a vigil the

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Speaker 1: family wouldn't cooperate at all in giving her family any

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Speaker 1: information about why he showed up at home without her.

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Speaker 1: So it is very curious and it's deeply troubling. Why

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you engage in the search crime stories with Nancy Grace?

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about where she was last seyn

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Speaker 1: to Mandy embOS, this is Melissa's sister. I've got conflicting

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Speaker 1: reports about where she was last seen, and both of

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Speaker 1: the reports do not place her in her Toyota tundra

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Speaker 1: where her remember her cars found neatly put on the

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Speaker 1: side of the road. Now, let me understand the boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: Derek Hammer thirty five years old, isn't his mother the

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Speaker 1: town clerk, yes, the town treasurer to that every town

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Speaker 1: hall meeting where this is all not. She controls the paper,

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Speaker 1: the website and all of which have not publicized her

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Speaker 1: that she went missing down there, which I mean, and

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Speaker 1: we'd think Roman area of her people. Somebody goes missing

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Speaker 1: in your town, it would be big news, huge, big news, right,

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Speaker 1: And nachos and football was on the front page the

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Speaker 1: day her article was in there. But did you say

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Speaker 1: nachos and football were on the front page yet, that's

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Speaker 1: what I said on the front page and hers was

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Speaker 1: a small little article on the second page with a

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Speaker 1: tiny little picture. Yeah. The reason I asked about Derek Hammer,

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Speaker 1: age thirty five, the boyfriend of missing mom Melissa Trumpy,

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Speaker 1: is because one of the signings apparently placed her at

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Speaker 1: Hammer's mother, the town clark or treasurer, as you said,

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Speaker 1: at her home around midnight. What can you tell me

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Speaker 1: about that been near frontie? Yeah, Melissa was seen. I

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Speaker 1: believe even Derek's mother had told police that she was

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Speaker 1: there around midnight, and we had that confirmed by the

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Speaker 1: Stevenson Colny Lieutenant Bradley Curtis, who he's the head of investigations.

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Speaker 1: She herself, according to your sources, states that Melissa was

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Speaker 1: at her house the night she goes missing October twenty six,

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Speaker 1: at midnight. Is that correct? Yeah? Okay, then I've got

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Speaker 1: a conflicting statement. Where else do we know either a

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Speaker 1: Mandy and bog or Benny Affrontee. She was later seen

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Speaker 1: we think with Derek Hammer, the son, the town clerk's son,

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Speaker 1: later that night at a cousin's house. Is that correct, ye,

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Speaker 1: Stephen Derek pres he was, they were a leader. The

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Speaker 1: witness testimony is Melissa came to derek house that night.

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Speaker 1: What it sounds like is Derek and Melissa got ready,

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Speaker 1: they picked up his cousin, Stephen, who's Steve across the

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Speaker 1: street from his mom sometimes and then the three of

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Speaker 1: them all went out to his apartment that night. Whose

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Speaker 1: apartment Stephen Dakiss Stephen dap Kiss is boyfriend Derek Hammer's cousin. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and the two mothers, the town clark and the cousin's

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Speaker 1: mom live across the street from each other. Yes, no, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. Melissa's saying at boyfriend

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Speaker 1: mom town Clark's house at midnight according to the mom,

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Speaker 1: and then later we think across the street at cousin's house. No,

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Speaker 1: this is what we believe is that Melissa was it

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Speaker 1: Denise Hammer's house. Derek's mothers now Stephen Daphkiss is Derek's cousin.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Daphkiss's mother lives across the street from Derek's mother,

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Speaker 1: but we believe that Stephen was at his mother's house

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Speaker 1: across the street when Melissa got to Derek's mother's house,

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Speaker 1: and then Stephen joined them, came across the street from

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Speaker 1: his mother's house, and then we've been told there's not one.

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Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of speculation, but we've been told

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Speaker 1: that the three of them together, Derek, Melissa, and Stephen

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Speaker 1: drove from both of the mother's houses of the cousins

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Speaker 1: to an apartment building outside of Mount Carroll where Stephen

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Speaker 1: has his own apartment, So that may have been her

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Speaker 1: life last signing. I think the police really need to

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Speaker 1: press his cousin, Stephen Dak because but there's another clue.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eleven. Our friend Rachel

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Speaker 1: Perry at WTVO core Documents show Hammer has a history

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Speaker 1: with her. He went the next day and told his

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Speaker 1: teacher that he'd witness his mother being struck in the

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Speaker 1: face by Derek Hammer. Just more than a month before

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Speaker 1: Melissa Trumpy was last seen. Her boyfriend, Derek Hammer was

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Speaker 1: charged with domestic abuse. His arrest came after Melissa's son

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Speaker 1: told his teacher he saw hammer yelling at Melissa before

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Speaker 1: the night turned violent and Derek pointed a shotgun at

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Speaker 1: Melissa in front of my six year olds on Mato.

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Speaker 1: So he went into school he told a teacher about that.

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Speaker 1: Benefronti is the father of Melissa's kids. He says, they

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Speaker 1: desperately want their mom back. It's hard. I mean, it's heartbreaking.

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Speaker 1: I had my daughter wrote a Christmas wish list to

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Speaker 1: Santa Claus a couple days ago and came and handed

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Speaker 1: me to that, and I mean, the the biggest thing

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Speaker 1: on there. She wanted it was Santa to bring mom home.

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Speaker 1: Mandy and bes he bat her before. Yeah, So the

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Speaker 1: year leading up to my sister's disappearance, we all actually

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Speaker 1: had lived together, Me, Melissa, Benn and the kids. And

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Speaker 1: then and Ben and Melissa broke up in Derek literally

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Speaker 1: seemed to like move in by the end of the week.

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Speaker 1: It started by it was slow things. I noticed. It

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Speaker 1: was like he was grooming her. He started controlling everywhere

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Speaker 1: she went, everywhere, everybody she talked to. He was looking

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Speaker 1: at her phone. She couldn't even go to Dungeonnas with

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Speaker 1: her daughter without him calling and accusing her of having

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Speaker 1: sexual relations with someone. Or walmarts. One time we tried

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Speaker 1: to get groceries and he was blowing her up, fighting

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Speaker 1: with her the whole time we were trying to get groceries.

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Speaker 1: It started by him having tantrum outbursts and then it

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Speaker 1: developed into a full on domestic case where Ben affront

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Speaker 1: to you say, according to your son, Matteo, age six,

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Speaker 1: he saw, according to the six year old little boy,

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Speaker 1: Derek Hammer hit Melissa, slap her in the face and

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Speaker 1: pull a gun. Yeah, he had. Derek was screaming at

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Speaker 1: Melissa about some pills that he couldn't find. He struck.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he thought Melissa took his pills

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Speaker 1: or he just couldn't find them or whatnot. But both

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Speaker 1: of the kids were actually their present, my sixth and

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Speaker 1: my eight year old. My six year old son was

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Speaker 1: actually the one that witnessed it, and I think my

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Speaker 1: daughter was in the home, but this happened I think

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Speaker 1: in the garage, and so they go tell their teacher,

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Speaker 1: and that is how the whole thing ends up being reported.

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Speaker 1: She Melissa did not report it. Stephanie Quirt joining me

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Speaker 1: WIFR twenty three. That's not uncommon. Women so afraid they

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Speaker 1: won't tell anybody they're getting beaten and terrorized at home, Stephanie.

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Speaker 1: Derek Hammer has been nabbed on other charges. What are they?

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Speaker 1: He has a lengthy list of charges. If I read

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Speaker 1: them all, we'd be here a very long time. I mean.

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Speaker 1: He has charged for bail jumping, alluding an officer, just

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Speaker 1: orderly contact, possession of a firearm, drug trafficking, battery charges

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Speaker 1: alluding to domestic violence. In Las Vegas, he strangled a

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Speaker 1: woman and reports say the woman thought he was going

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Speaker 1: to kill her and throw her over the balcony. On

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Speaker 1: top of that, he has explosive charges ieed explosive charges

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Speaker 1: and unlawsable use of a firearm that he actually fired

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Speaker 1: at one of his ex girlfriends while she was running away. Guys,

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Speaker 1: please help us. This family has said they feel quote defeated.

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Speaker 1: They have nowhere else to turn. They're not getting answers.

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Speaker 1: Melissa Trump is missing her three children beg for mommy

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Speaker 1: to come home. Imagine if it were your children begging.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you the tip lines eight one five, two, four,

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Speaker 1: four two six three five repeat eight one five two

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Speaker 1: four four two six three five or eight one five

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Speaker 1: two three, five, eight two two two repeat eight one five, two, three,

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Speaker 1: five eight two two two. You can also go to

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Speaker 1: change dot org and look for missing Melissa Trumpy. Keep

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Speaker 1: Derek Hammer in jail, and that's what I advise, Keep

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Speaker 1: him in jail until you can build a case to

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Speaker 1: find Melissa Trumpy. And as I sign off, let me

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Speaker 1: remind you no one has been named a person of interest.

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Speaker 1: No one has been named a suspect. No one has

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Speaker 1: been charged or arrested in Melissa's disappearance. We wait, as

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Speaker 1: God willing just to unfolds Nancy Grace Crime Stories. Signing up,

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,