1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we've just 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: learned that November twelfth is American Fancy Rat and Mouse Day, 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: and that there is such a thing as fancy rats 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: and mice, and that the American Fancy Rat and Mouse 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Association is the American Kettel Club of Domesticated Rodent Organizations, 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: and that they have a similar annual Best in Show 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: type competition to promote and encourage the breeding and exhibition 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: of fancy rats and mice, and that there are extensive 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: lists of fancy rat and mouse standards and markings, and 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: that we're much more interested in fancy rats and mice 11 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: than we ever could have imagined. It's Wednesday, November twelfth, 12 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: American Fancy Rat and Mouse Day, and on today's show 13 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: will be skipping the need to know and getting you 14 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: straight to my conversation with former pro golfer, current sports 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: law and policy consultant, and forever LGBTQ plus activists Maya Ready. 16 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: I caught up with her ahead of the Onica, the 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: second to last event on the LPGA calendar, which gets 18 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: underway this Thursday at the Pelican Golf Club in Florida. 19 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: We discussed how the LPGA has handled issues of gender. 20 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: Sexuality, and identity. 21 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: What to make of one particular athlete who received an 22 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: invitation to compete at this week's event and the golf 23 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: drag brunches you never knew you needed in your life. 24 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: That conversation with Maya's coming up right after. 25 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 2: This joining us now. 26 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: She's a sports law and policy consultant and former professional golfer. 27 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: She got her jd at Penn Law and founded the 28 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: Sports Project at the Harvard Law School, LGBTQ Plus Advocacy Clinic, 29 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: founder of Queer Asian Social Club and Open Fairways Golf. 30 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: She's the Queen of Gay Halloween. I'm talking multiple outfit changes. 31 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: It's Maya ready, Hi, Maya Hi. 32 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: I love the Halloween shadow. I mean multiple outfits. 33 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: It was very ignosive and involving your child is always 34 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: like really, you know, good bonus points. 35 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 3: I feel like he's going to look back on it 36 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: when he's a little bit older and be like, Mom, 37 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: why did you dress me and drag every single year? 38 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm gay, So this is what you have. 39 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: Obviously you also were a fire hydrant and I would 40 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: have preferred if the kid was a dog, but you 41 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: made him a firefighter. 42 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: Oh, I know he was. 43 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: We asked what he wanted to be and he said 44 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: firefighter and I was like, okay, I'll be a fire hydrant. 45 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: There we go, naturally. Okay, so tell us how you 46 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: got into golf originally. 47 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: So I started playing golf when I was three, and 48 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: it basically was because my parents threw me into every sport. 49 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: I always like to brag that Megan Rappino and I 50 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: are from the same hometown, and I'm always like we're 51 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 3: best friends. We are absolutely not, but yeah, my parents 52 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: were really incredible and just threw me into every sport. 53 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: And once I got to high school, it was just 54 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: like choose one for college, right, Like in all the applications. 55 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 3: I was really good at swimming and tennis. I went 56 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 3: to Junior Olympics for swimming, but I hated my coaches. 57 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: Tennis I had to run a lot. Hated running. So 58 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I'm going to play golf, and yeah, 59 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 3: that's how I got into golf. I basically like had 60 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: a club in my hand the first time because I 61 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 3: wanted to hit it further than my dad and my uncles. 62 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 3: And yeah, and now I'm here, I'm just like uber competitive, 63 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: went to college, played, and then I was like, I 64 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: don't want to regret not trying to go pro, so 65 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: I'm going to try to go pro. And I clearly 66 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 3: failed at that as. 67 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: I'm not actually pro, no, but my were you were 68 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: at one point professional, just not LPGA card holding. 69 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I want to ask quickly. 70 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: About your hometown because I wasn't aware of the connection 71 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: to Meghan Raupino, and having read her book, she talks 72 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: a lot about the difficulty of being a young queer 73 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: woman in that city that I shouldn't say city town, 74 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: small town. How did you feel growing up about your 75 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: identity and how you fit in or didn't fit in? 76 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a lot of similar stuff that Megan 77 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: talked about. When I was growing up, my family was 78 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: one of a handful of like families of color. I 79 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: think we're like one of five South Asian families. And 80 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: I had a bowl cut because I'm Asian, So I 81 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 3: had a bowl cut my entire childhood. And when you 82 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: look at pictures of me, I very much presented as 83 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 3: like a little boy, which I mean, looking back on it, 84 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, it's actually kind of cool that my parents 85 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 3: let me like explore that and. 86 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: Play with that. 87 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: But also because of that, like I'm brown, I'm presenting 88 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: like a boy, very obviously queer. It was really hard 89 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 3: reading is very naga. We have an actual cult, which 90 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: I always bring up. There's a literal cult in our 91 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: home town. But thankfully with Prop fifty passing, we're now blue. 92 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 3: We're in a blue district. 93 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: Great. 94 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: Great, So it'll maybe change things for future Maya's So 95 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, you're playing golf post college, and obviously the 96 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: Trump pre election, the run up to the election, all 97 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: of that is sort of changing the tenor of a 98 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: lot of spaces, and you felt a shift in what 99 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: used to seem like a sort of genderless safe space 100 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: of just meritocracy and achievement. Golf was a number at 101 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: the end of the day that you could post. But 102 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: in that year and during that time, you noticed a 103 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: shift and included some comments from your own swing coach, 104 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: with whom you'd worked for over a decade and you 105 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: were super close with. So can you tell me about 106 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 1: what felt different? 107 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: I mean to put it simply, folks were very emboldened 108 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 3: to say the quiet part out loud, and I think 109 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 3: by virtue of golf being a country club sport and 110 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 3: you know, always being quite conservative. It's a white, wealthy 111 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 3: man sport. I think it was only very recently that 112 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 3: a very famous country club in New Jersey took away 113 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: their like men only policy and started allowing women. So 114 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 3: it's like the culture of the sport is there. And 115 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: with the first Trump campaign, everybody was saying, you know, 116 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: feeling that emboldenness to say the quiet part out loud, 117 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: and it was just much easier for folks in golf 118 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: to be like, oh, hell yeah, we get you know, 119 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: like we don't have to to play nice or you know, 120 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 3: like they're rallying against political correctness, you know, a weird 121 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: gross way. 122 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 123 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 3: So yeah, that was like the biggest shift. It's like 124 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 3: I heard a lot of people, you know, being very 125 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: Islamophobic and very kind of like racist towards brown people 126 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 3: and also black people. I think the biggest thing for 127 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 3: me at that time, well, two big things. I My 128 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: swing coach was saying some very transphobic things about Caitlyn 129 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 3: Jenner because she had just come out and say what 130 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: you will about Caitlyn. It's never okay to misgender or 131 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: be transphobic against any transperson, and so that was a 132 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: big one because I'm like, ugh, like, why am I 133 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: having to educate? 134 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: Right? 135 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: Like, this is a really difficult conversation. I'm twenty two, right, Like, 136 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: I'm trying to play golf at a high level. I 137 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 3: can't balance this. And then the second one, which is 138 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 3: a big kind of like the catalyst for why I 139 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 3: stepped away, was a tournament director on one of the 140 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: mini tours made racist and homophobic jokes on the first 141 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: tee of a tournament, and so it's like, I'm already 142 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: so stressed out about like hitting it in the fairway, 143 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: and now this person who's running this event, this event 144 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: where I'm playing for my livelihood, so to speak, is 145 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: creating a hostile environment or at least unwelcoming. And I 146 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: was just like, again, I'm twenty two, Like I don't 147 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: know how to be an adult, and golf is hell 148 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: on Earth, and any sport on an elite level as 149 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: hell on Earth. Right, I just couldn't handle it, and 150 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: so I got pissed off. I was like, what the 151 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 3: hell can I do with this? 152 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: But before that, to your point, you're twenty two years old, 153 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: You've worked your whole life toward this thing, and it's 154 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: not about your play. It's about the ways other people 155 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: are making it more difficult for you to succeed, and 156 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: in ways that are deeply offensive. And so you had 157 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: a bit of a mental breakdown, you fell into depression, 158 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: and I want to hear about how quickly you realized 159 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: that that was because of what was going on in 160 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: the disruption to your golf career, or maybe the larger 161 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: sentiments that were becoming more out loud in that time. 162 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it took me some time because I 163 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 3: hadn't been in therapy, and I really, looking back on it, 164 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, I really wish I had a therapist 165 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: at that time, because I mean, I could therapy is 166 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 3: the best, and I think that would have helped a 167 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: lot in kind of understanding what I'm you know, processing understanding. 168 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 3: I had my first girlfriend, uh was is a therapist, 169 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: and so that was really helpful in kind of finding 170 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 3: a therapist to work with. So, yeah, I don't actually 171 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 3: know when I realized. I just knew that I was 172 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: really angry, and it was not just for my experience, 173 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 3: but it was also because not many in the LPGA 174 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 3: or like you know, notable women's golfer women golfers were 175 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: speaking out about anything. And I might be hyperbolic, but 176 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 3: at that time it felt that way. And I remember 177 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 3: looking at it and I was like, Okay, the least 178 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 3: that we could be doing is talking about pay equity. 179 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 3: That's right. I feel like, you know, the bar is 180 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: six feet under, and even if you're trying to do 181 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: the it's a country club sport. I'm always like, Okay, 182 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: look at tennis, like you know, we have Billy, we 183 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: have the William's sisters, we have like Naomi Osaka, like 184 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 3: so many incredible players for decades have been talking about this. 185 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: And we've also had golfers on the show that have 186 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: sort of informed folks that as much as they look 187 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: at the biggest and highest payday, that's not what's trickling 188 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: down to the folks trying to get started. And there's 189 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: so many fees and costs associated with travel, paying your caddy, 190 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: all the other stuff that it's really sort of not 191 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: this beautiful, magical, super rich space for most of the 192 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: golf it's just the very best ones when they managed 193 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: to win a tournament. 194 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 2: So anyway, carry on. 195 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I mean, just on that point for reference, 196 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five US Women's Open. The Selene Boutier, 197 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 3: who tied for thirty eight, made thirty nine thousand dollars 198 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 3: for the US Men's Open. Philip Barbary Junior, who placed 199 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: last one forty one thousand dollars. So, and I know 200 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: that you've spoken with Tisha Allen, who I adore. We 201 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 3: played when we were both playing pro. We were together 202 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 3: on the mini tours. But I know that, like folks 203 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: point out, as they do in other you know, like 204 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: women's leagues, the perse size is not big enough to 205 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 3: have that payout. But I think that's just such a 206 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: cop out answer. It's like, Okay, what do we do 207 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 3: to get that per size? If we don't have it, 208 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: how do we make it as equitable as possible so 209 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: that the folks who are at the bottom of the 210 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 3: money list or tour, you know, don't make the cut whatever, 211 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 3: they're able to sustain their career, right, like they're able 212 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 3: to pay for lodging, travel, their caddies, equipment because many 213 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 3: many players don't have equipment sponsors. All clubs are expensive. 214 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: Right and anyone who makes the cut is still the 215 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: very best in the world, even if they're not winning tournaments. 216 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: But this is something we've talked about with the LPGA 217 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: and it feeling like it's different from the rest of 218 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: the women's sports space, and how there hasn't been a 219 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: lot of speaking out, you know, I wonder if that's 220 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: changing at all. 221 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 2: Is the face of the sport feels like it's changing. 222 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. 223 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: You talked about how going pro and losing your college 224 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: team made you feel like an outsider in a way 225 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: that you hadn't before because you couldn't pass as straight, white, 226 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: acceptably feminine compared to the you know, ideal look of 227 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: the sport. But does it feel like those are the 228 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: only acceptable ways to be still, especially with so many 229 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: top players from Asia. 230 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 3: I think yes and no. I think that when you 231 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: look at the tour now and you consider who the 232 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 3: tour is elevating. This dude, Craig Kessler, he's like an 233 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 3: investment banker who is now the commissioner of the LPGA. 234 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: If you look at what he's been doing and the 235 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: tour is doing now, it's very centered on the white players, 236 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: and you can really see that. I think a really 237 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 3: great example of this is Kessler wants to bring the 238 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 3: LPGA up to the level as the w or NWSL, 239 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: and in doing so, they've posted graphics of it of 240 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 3: different athletes. The graphic that they use continually is primarily 241 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: white players, and this is like not a drag on 242 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 3: the players from other obviously. Yeah, so Caitlin Clark, Nellie 243 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: Korda from the LPGA, and then Alex Morgan and like 244 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 3: obviously all incredible players. I just do think that when 245 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 3: you're presenting those three images as kind of like an ideal, 246 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 3: all three of them are like cis, white femme players 247 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: like traditionally attractive and like they're hot, Like come on. 248 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 3: My issue is just with the industry, the institutions themselves 249 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: for primarily elevating those stories versus like the Asian players 250 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: so big. 251 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's hard, I think in America, especially 252 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: for non English speaking players to draw the same attention, 253 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: and especially this year with the parody going on in 254 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: the LPGA, it's very hard to promote when there's a 255 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: different winner almost every single tournament. No one can really 256 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: attach to a player and their game or get excited 257 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: about them, you know, like Nelly Quarter last season, for instance, 258 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: who did have such an incredible run of tournament wins 259 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: that it created this building story that folks could come 260 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: back to and remember and see how she was doing. 261 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: The next week. I want to get back to that 262 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: parody issue. 263 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: But you know you've mentioned in the past, and we're 264 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: talking about other leagues that you've been jealous of players 265 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: in other sports because they've been able to compete at 266 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: the highest level of their sport knowing that they've been 267 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: supported by their governing body, whether that's because of their sexuality, 268 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: their race, their background, whatever. What do you make of 269 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: in general, the way the LPGA has handled issues of 270 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: gender and sexuality and identity over its seventy plus years, 271 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: but especially more recently, as the rest of women's sports 272 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: has seemed to very actively lean into understanding that that 273 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: intersectionality will really serve them and give them more fans. 274 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 3: I'm going to go scorched to her as an LPGA because, Yeah, 275 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 3: they're just doing a terrible job. 276 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 2: There's a lot. 277 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 3: Of kind of like inner drama where there is a 278 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 3: certain player who's no longer on tour, like retired, who 279 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago complained about the LPGA tour 280 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: posting a Pride flag on their page, and the tour 281 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: took down the Pride flag. 282 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: Wow. Just that's just that little thing. 283 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the tour is incredibly resistant or has in 284 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 3: the past been resistant to being very I don't know, 285 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 3: representative of the queer community. This year, to their credit, 286 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 3: they did do like a Pride series and also me 287 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 3: being like, hey, we can be doing more. It's twenty 288 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 3: twenty five, let's. 289 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: Do That's literally the least you can do. 290 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. It was a lot of like quotes that 291 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: were very like acceptable kind of like quotes for queer issues, right, 292 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: like love is love all of that stuff. And again, 293 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 3: I just want to make it clear this is not 294 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: a knock against any of the players that were featured, 295 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 3: because they're all incredible, and it's no matter what love well, 296 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 3: it's going to be hard to be out and playing 297 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 3: professional sports. I think it's just like what are what 298 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 3: is the tour putting out visibly and like how are 299 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 3: they telling the stories of queer players? And so I 300 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 3: think that's one thing I think it now as we're 301 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 3: looking at this like new gender policy that the LPGA 302 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: put into place, something that I think is really important 303 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: to recognize with it is that in twenty ten, there 304 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: was a lawsuit Lana Lawless versus LPGA believe she was 305 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 3: a trans long drive competitor, and I believe she was 306 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: wanting to qualify for the US Open, do one of 307 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 3: the US Open qualifiers or something like that. In response 308 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 3: to that lawsuit, the LPGA changed their gender policy from 309 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 3: one that required a player to be female at birth 310 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 3: and they just remove that category. They put this new 311 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 3: policy to a vote to tour membership. Membership voted yes 312 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 3: on it completely, like you have. I believe Christy Kerr, 313 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 3: who's like a two time major champion. She was quoted 314 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 3: as saying, Lana Lalis can compete if she can qualify, 315 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: we certainly do not want to discriminate against anybody. That's 316 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 3: not what the LPGA is about. And if she can qualify, 317 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 3: she'll be able to play. So that policy had been 318 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 3: in place for fourteen years and voted on by the 319 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 3: members exactly, and they changed it this January. 320 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: Yep. What does the new policy say. 321 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 3: So the new policy puts back the female at birth requirement. 322 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 3: And you can tell that they did this with lawyers 323 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 3: because they try to say that there is a pathway 324 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 3: for trans athletes to play, but they can't. So that 325 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 3: piece that I'm referencing is that The new policy stipulates 326 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 3: that trans girls and women are ineligible to compete in 327 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 3: events on a tour and qualifying events for all tours 328 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 3: unless they haven't experienced any part of male puberty beyond 329 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 3: Tanner stage two or after twelve, so like after twelve, right, 330 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 3: like these are kids like it. It in effect is 331 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 3: preventing trans athletes from playing. And they also have like 332 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 3: a lot of other like specific things. But I don't know, 333 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 3: I feel like the quote unquote biological kind of arguments 334 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: are a red herring and ultimately very harmful to all women. 335 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 3: But yeah, like they change this, It's very clear that 336 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 3: it was in response to the political climate a very 337 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 3: much like this is controversial. We don't want to, you know, 338 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 3: like rock the. 339 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: Boat, so let's proactively change something that hasn't really been 340 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: a problem or an issue. There was a trans player, 341 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: Hailey Davidson, that had been playing on the tour but 342 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: wasn't winning events, wasn't making the cut for a lot 343 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: of events, so it didn't seem like. 344 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 3: She actually she actually did win on She's a first 345 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 3: out trans woman to win a professional golf event on 346 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 3: the Mini Tour the next tour, which is awesome and 347 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 3: this past year she made it to stage two of 348 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 3: qualifying school. So it was very much like this one 349 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 3: player is playing right, and she's not harming anybody, because 350 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 3: in golf, effectively you're just playing against yourself, right, like 351 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 3: you're trying to best yourself. And so yeah, this one 352 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 3: individual player who you know, like isn't quote unquote dominating anything. 353 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 3: She's just won a few tournaments, which is amazing. That 354 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 3: is what prompted them to change the policy. And something 355 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 3: that also is quite glaring about it is the tour 356 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: said that they consulted with different studies and different experts. 357 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 3: They've refused to release who they consulted with. Interesting, So 358 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 3: it's just like, it's so frustrating because I think while 359 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 3: this is very centered on transphobia and trans athletes, I 360 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 3: think it's really important to recognize that by determining who 361 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 3: a woman is, it is going to affect all women 362 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: who are playing on the tour because you're creating the 363 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: super strict definition, right, and like, women look like so 364 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 3: many different things, which is amazing. 365 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: Well, and we've also happened upon this issue across so 366 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: many other sports where if you aren't going to do 367 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: the work or show your work in their case about 368 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: then what that means for DSD, intersex, all sorts of 369 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: other biological variants. Then you're essentially trying to apply a 370 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,239 Speaker 1: binary to a space that isn't binary, and doing it 371 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: in a. 372 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: Really messy way. 373 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: Because to your point, if you're not willing to show 374 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: the work, which we say it every time, but everybody 375 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: should listen to Rose Evelis's podcast tested or read about 376 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: the very very very interesting and nuanced and difficult studies 377 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: and research that have been attempted that usually don't even 378 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: involve elite female athletes and elite trans women athletes. They 379 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: try to conflate studies about men and trans women and 380 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: all these other things. And so when people ask about 381 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: the science, we say it's still evolving, and yet it's 382 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: being used for those who decide to use it to 383 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: shut down opportunity for various kinds of women. And that's 384 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: really frustrating to me that they would say that they 385 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: have a bunch of research but not be willing to 386 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: point to any of it and be willing to stand 387 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: behind it. Ten tos down, We got to take a 388 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: quick break more with Maya right after this. It's also 389 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: part of what feels like something you mentioned earlier, which 390 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: is the LPGA sort of leaning in maybe more confidently 391 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: to its conservative roots because of the current administration and 392 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: the current climate. So Ki Trump, who is the eighteen 393 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: year old granddaughter of President Trump, is going to make 394 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: her LPGA tour debut at the upcoming Pelican Golf Club 395 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: in Florida as a sponsor invitation. 396 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: In the anica, is that. 397 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: A decision made by the actual sponsor Gainbridge or by 398 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: the LPGA. What does a sponsor invitation for someone who 399 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: didn't otherwise qualify mean? 400 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 3: For the most part, it's a publicity stunt. Right, there 401 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 3: are two other sponsor exemptions that are going to be 402 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: playing in the game Bridge, So that's anst De Dunan 403 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 3: from Wake Forest and Lauren Yun, a former Northwestern golfer 404 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 3: who's making her pro debut, and Kai Trump. And again 405 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 3: literally none of this is Kai's fault. She is an 406 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 3: eighteen year old and like, go off, You're getting an exemption. 407 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 3: That's you know, like pretty damn cool. And it is 408 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 3: very clearly a publicity stunt, which was clearly made because 409 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 3: the COO of Pelican Golf Club was like, this is 410 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: the most women's golf has ever been talked about. So 411 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 3: this is really good for us and for me. The 412 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 3: way I read that is just like, oh, okay, so 413 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 3: you're leaning into a very specific fan base that is 414 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 3: you know, like inherently exclusionary, right, like all of the rhetoric, 415 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: you know, the Trump of it, all, the likelyhood that 416 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 3: he is going to attend the event, right Like the 417 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 3: fact that not many if any players have you know, 418 00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 3: said anything you know, not necessarily against the President the administration, 419 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 3: but like even just vaguely right like against exclusionary, discriminatory 420 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 3: policies attitudes makes it feel extremely difficult, right, Like you know, 421 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 3: you have Anstir and Lauren, who are athletes that you know, 422 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 3: grinding at their universities, are you know, like really talented, 423 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 3: and they are getting this incredible opportunity. Like I think 424 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 3: that's amazing, and I think that sponsors exemptions should exist 425 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: to offer opportunities to up and coming or very talented 426 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,479 Speaker 3: golfers who wouldn't otherwise get that opportunity because it's so 427 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 3: hard to get on tour, right, Like, you know, you 428 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 3: have to go through all of these different stages of qualifying, 429 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: Like you can be incredibly good at this sport, but 430 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 3: never get attention because perhaps you don't look a certain way, 431 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 3: perhaps you don't speak English right like. And so for Kai, 432 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 3: it's the trump of it all. It's not like the 433 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: Kai of it all. 434 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: It's just it's why she's getting the exemption and also 435 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: what it means for everybody else competing there to bring 436 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: that into the space. Also, you mentioned the Pelican Club Coo. 437 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: I just found his quote. I like don't know anything 438 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: about him. I didn't even look up his photo. I 439 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: just read this quote and I was kind of laughing 440 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: to myself. He said, I would imagine since the Tuesday 441 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: announcement that this is one of the most talked about 442 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: women's golf tournaments that has probably ever existed. It's on 443 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: news channels and sports channels. The numbers of social media 444 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: impressions I guess they call it are staggering, love it 445 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: or hate it. It's getting people to talk about the event. 446 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: Like he might as well have said face place, you know, 447 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: like at this point, this guy's like, I guess. 448 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: They call them impressions and they're great. 449 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: It just speaks to like, again sort of the nature 450 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: of the sport very well might be that this guy 451 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: doesn't even consider or think about the impact on the 452 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: rest of the players if President Trump shows up or 453 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: if this becomes a topic for right wing controversy. It's 454 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: sort of like when the commission of the WNBA kat 455 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: the Engelbert went on the news and said, like, rivalries 456 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: are great to a question about how the toxicity about 457 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: Angel Rees and Caitlin Clark was causing actual concerns and 458 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: safety for players, and she was like, it's always good 459 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: to have a rivalry. Like he's like everyone's talking about 460 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: it and like, ah, but in a good way, which 461 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: kind of like is part of the issue. It's like, again, 462 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: you don't blame the eighteen year old who gets the exemption, 463 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: but you do blame the systems in place that decide 464 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 1: that this is worth the attention, even at the expense 465 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: of what statement it makes about the LPGA, what it 466 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: stands for, and what the rest of its members will 467 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: have to endure. And then Anika, of course, the event 468 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 1: is named after Anica Sorenstam, and there's this story that's 469 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: kind of flown under the radar, which is that she 470 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: accepted a Presidential Medal of Freedom from Trump back in 471 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. This was like right after the rioters 472 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: stormed the Capitol, like everyone was still reeling from that, 473 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: and she was like, yeah, I'd love to go hang 474 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: out with President Trump. And she was asked about it 475 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: on the Golf Channel in the couple days after and said, quote, 476 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to spend energy looking back. I like 477 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: to spend energy looking forward, continue to open doors, create 478 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: opportunities for the young girls around the world. 479 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 2: End quote. 480 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: And then that was kind of it, like basically everyone 481 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: has just let Anika's decision be normalized, and it does 482 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: feel like also, I think a lot of us just shrugged, like, oh, 483 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: she's probably a trumper. She's in women's golf, and what 484 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: do you make of that moment in the sport and 485 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,719 Speaker 1: then in golf, like should she have been held more 486 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: accountable or do you have to shrug in the sport 487 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: of golf and just say, well, probably most of the 488 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: people I'm around might just be maga. 489 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 3: So I think, frankly it's bullshit that no, not many 490 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 3: players are being vocal, and like. 491 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: I get it. 492 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 3: There's a lot of fear about losing sponsorships, about you know, 493 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 3: different repercussions, Like that's so true and that's so real. 494 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 3: And I do think that there is a responsibility for 495 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 3: especially players who are kind of like at the top 496 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 3: of the money list andarticularly you know, American players obviously 497 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 3: to say something right like that's how change cultural change 498 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 3: in a sport happens. And if you know, Craig Kussler 499 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: is adamant about bringing the LPGA up to you know, 500 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 3: like W levels of viewership. You you don't get to 501 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 3: that level of viewership on the W without players being 502 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 3: so open, honest and like fighting for Like the players 503 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 3: association is so strong, and you have so many other 504 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 3: players that are speaking out and also with the NWSL 505 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 3: right most recently the Angel City player, and I don't 506 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 3: want to like give her more attention by naming her 507 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 3: had a terrible op AT and then you had the 508 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: two captains have like a really amazing and forthright press 509 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 3: conference where they named that this you know op at 510 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 3: was trafficking in racism and transphobia and how that affects 511 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: the team and folks in the locker room and also 512 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: like fans and all of that. And so it's hard 513 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 3: for me in twenty twenty five right to give a 514 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 3: lot of grace to the more notable or like the 515 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 3: higher ranking LPGA players for not saying. 516 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: And not using their playwer Yeah, I think, listen, there's 517 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: smart ways, and I'm even changing my opinion in some 518 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: ways of late about the best and smartest way to 519 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: speak up Understanding that the current time we'rein is so 520 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: unhinged that putting a target on your back when there's 521 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: like no regulation of what the highest levels of people 522 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: are willing to do to American citizens right now, and 523 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: understanding how sponsors are like cow towing to Trump's bullshit 524 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: for fear of losing money and that they will not 525 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: have your back. I understand being thoughtful about how you speak, 526 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: but there are so many ways for the LPGA and 527 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: for its athletes to be inspiring and uplifting for women, 528 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: to be a part of social change that's occurring because 529 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: of women's sports, and to do it in a way 530 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: that feels very much like it's about evolving and moving 531 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: forward and not about taking shots at people or attacking 532 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: an administration. 533 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 2: Like there's ways to do. 534 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: That that are so obvious and have been a part 535 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: of women's sports in every other space for decades that 536 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: golf is so far behind that you can do that 537 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: and still thrive and still make that money and still 538 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: show up and play. And so I think that's where 539 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: so many of us have been saying. And when Tisha 540 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: Allen was on you mentioned her she said, I just 541 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: feel sad that we don't get to be a part 542 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: of this women's sports revolution, Like we don't really count 543 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: because we're not doing any of the stuff that all 544 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: the other leagues are doing, and we're not making people 545 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: feel about our athletes the way they feel about the 546 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: athletes and other sports because we're missing that element. So 547 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: what would you like to see the LPGA do in 548 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: terms of change? What would you like to see from 549 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: them that you think is a realistic step for a 550 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: league that seems so far behind. 551 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's hard because it is so 552 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 3: far behind, so there are so many like steps to take. 553 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 3: But I do think that telling honest stories or allowing 554 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 3: players to be able to talk, and I don't think 555 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 3: that's necessarily like, you know, something that the tour can 556 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 3: really like determine. I think it really is a function 557 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 3: of sponsors, because at the end of the day, we 558 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 3: need money, right, Like you need money to pay these 559 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: players to host these events and all of that. I 560 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 3: guess like A really easy example right now is that 561 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 3: they just announced a partnership with Gulf Saudi for a 562 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 3: new event at Shadow Creek in Las Vegas. I saw 563 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 3: this post and I was like, what the like, you 564 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 3: guys are trying to say that you're uplifting women and 565 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 3: women's sports. You want to be like the w you 566 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,959 Speaker 3: want to be like NWSL, and yet you are so 567 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 3: you're like prioritizing money in a way that is doing 568 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 3: an incredible disservice to your membership. I mean, like, Saudi 569 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 3: is famously not great for women. The royalty what murdered 570 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 3: a journalist. We had the entire conversation about comedians performing 571 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 3: in Saudi recently that again brought to the surface all 572 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 3: of these human rights violations. And so to see this 573 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 3: announcement after that, right, and you know, just in general, 574 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 3: it's like, oh, okay, so this is making it clear 575 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 3: that the tour is prioritizing money and funding, which again 576 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 3: I understand that is important, but at the cost of, like, 577 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 3: I don't know, any moral stance. They would have to 578 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 3: say that they're growing the game. 579 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: Well, and I think we've had the head of the 580 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: WTA on and while I'm still very torn about the 581 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: arguments about whether you have to be in a space 582 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: like that to actually change the space, show them what 583 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: they're missing, show them what it looks like to be 584 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: an empowered woman so that more people there want to 585 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: change it. There's some arguments there from some very smart people, 586 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: but in the case of the WTA, there are plenty 587 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: of other ways that you are seeing them embrace diversity, 588 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: embrace the opportunity to not be seen as quite so 589 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: much of a white conservative country club sport if golf 590 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: doesn't have any of those other elements, and they are 591 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: also leaning into things like having events in Saudi. It's 592 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: a lot harder to reconcile or to convince yourself in 593 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: any way that they actually care about the atrocities and 594 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: the human rights violations, and it's more so. 595 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 2: Just about money. 596 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: And until they can open up and show other ways 597 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: that they feel like they're counteracting the bad rep they 598 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: would get for that, it's just going to be put 599 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: on the pile of all the problems. It just feels 600 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: like there's so much yet to be done, and having 601 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 1: spoken to some people even at the ORG, there is 602 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: so much resistance from within to evolution and embracing a 603 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: more modern approach to selling the game, marketing the game, 604 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: marketing the players, that there's so much yet to be 605 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: done and it's so easy. 606 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 3: So I with a few other friends of mine, all 607 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 3: queer and trans golfers who have played professionally or teach, 608 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 3: you know, with PGA certifications, we started Open Fairways and 609 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 3: the idea of it was to create this community organization 610 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 3: that celebrates queer and trans joy in golf and very 611 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 3: much like a by us for us, but obviously like 612 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 3: everybody is welcome, right effort that you know, For us, 613 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 3: it was like, we do not want to slap a 614 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 3: rainbow flag on something and call it good, Like this 615 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 3: has to look good, This has to be something that 616 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 3: like we want to be a part of. And kind 617 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 3: of what and what we've been doing with that is 618 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 3: we've been hosting drag golf brunch events called the Miss 619 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 3: Baltimore Crabs Professional Golf Series. Because I'm an idiot and 620 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 3: I like to do stupid thing, but I feel like 621 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 3: something like that, It's like you don't have to think 622 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 3: that hard to create a space like that, right, Like 623 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 3: it's a drag brunch, right, Like you can just create 624 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 3: these spaces that aren't so I don't I don't want 625 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 3: to say like serious, because these are serious conversations, but 626 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 3: it doesn't have to be so restrictive in that way, 627 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 3: like these spaces can be fun and that LPGi can 628 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 3: do that. Like it's if you're inviting like Caitlin Clark 629 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 3: to a pro am or she's gonna be playing in 630 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 3: the pro am at the Game Bridge, if you're trying 631 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 3: to get Renee Rap to play in a pro am, 632 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 3: which is hilarious because she's famously a lesbian, then like 633 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 3: can't you just like throw a fun like drag golf 634 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 3: brunch of it. I mean, like, don't steal it from me, 635 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 3: and if you do, give me money, but like it's easy. Yeah. 636 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 3: And I also just like quickly want to shout out 637 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 3: the other founders of Open Fairways. They're like incredible athletes. 638 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 3: Irene Crowchild, they're an indigenous golfer up in Canada, first 639 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 3: Indigenous woman to win the Canadian Long Drive two times. 640 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 3: She does so much incredible work with her community. Linley Oy, 641 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 3: who played Do You Want Golf is assistant coaching at 642 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 3: that university and is playing pro now. And then Hal Clark, 643 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 3: who is a non binary professional golf coach out here 644 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 3: in Philly, and they're all like incredible players at every 645 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 3: single level of the sport. And I think that's something 646 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 3: that I would like the LPGA to do, is like 647 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 3: bring in these different voices that are from golf culture 648 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 3: and that aren't solely being elevated because they have a 649 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 3: huge social media following. 650 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: Right, find those ways to get people that will draw 651 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: new people in instead of just existing popular people. 652 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:01,760 Speaker 2: So open fairways. 653 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 1: You also have Queer Asian Social Club, Like you're doing 654 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: the work and trying to figure out how to use 655 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 1: the sport of golf to like grow and bring more 656 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: people together and bring more people into the sport. 657 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 2: And we love that. 658 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: And you know, we're gonna keep having these conversations until 659 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: hopefully golf wants to catch up and wants to figure 660 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: out how. 661 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 2: To be more inclusive. Thanks so much for the time, Maya. 662 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 3: Thank you. 663 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: Thanks again to Maya for taking the time and for 664 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: hopefully inspiring a whole lot more golf drag brunches. Get 665 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: on it, people, we got to take another break. When 666 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: we return, strong beats and funky fonts, Welcome back slices. 667 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: We love that you're listening, but we want you to 668 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,399 Speaker 1: get in the game every day too, so here's our 669 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: good game play of the day. 670 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 2: Follow Maya on social media. 671 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: We'll link to her Instagram in the show notes, and 672 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: while you're there for all my maple Bacon slices. 673 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,439 Speaker 2: Follow Bertie's Babes golf too. 674 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 1: Courtney Campbell runs amazing golf events out of Vancouver as 675 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: one of BC's only female head pros, including Pink Pony Club, 676 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: Double Denham and beach. 677 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 2: Themed social tournaments. 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