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Speaker 1: On today's episode, a sprint through the thirty one most

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Speaker 2: I'm that for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: And then and Tie, welcome back to the solid verbal,

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Speaker 1: boys and girls. My name is Tyi Hillebrand. Joining me

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Speaker 1: is always that beautiful mount of a man. Dan Rubinstein, sir,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. How are you, my friend?

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Speaker 2: Glad to be back? Tie, I'm wonderful. We're talking about

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Speaker 2: the Big Ten. We're talking about thirty eight teams. However,

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Speaker 2: many teams we're talking about in the Big ten. We

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Speaker 2: have a lot of interesting things, fascinating things, intriguing items

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Speaker 2: to discuss. You've got the your ding finger. That's a

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Speaker 2: weird way to fray. Do you have anything Ray?

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Speaker 1: It's a little weird, but I like it.

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Speaker 2: Continue In any case, what's what's better than previews season?

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Speaker 2: It's the ten energy before the storm.

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Speaker 1: I love it. And you're in Big ten countries, so

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Speaker 1: you've really got your finger on the pulse of all

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Speaker 1: things Northwestern football.

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Speaker 2: At the moment as we know this, I have Roger

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Speaker 2: Sherman's phone number.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, Indy, Well, welcome back in. We've now done

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Speaker 1: a bunch of previews, right, We've done the Pac twelve

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Speaker 1: we dropped the ACC preview, and now it is all

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Speaker 1: things Big ten Daniel. I've got the Big ten East,

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Speaker 1: You've got the Big ten West. And again, my goodness,

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Speaker 1: how interesting. That's bizarre, How interesting, how fascinating, how bizarre.

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Speaker 1: That is our framework for all of our previews this season.

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Speaker 1: We had twenty nine interesting things on the last two episodes.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what number we get up to. You heard

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Speaker 1: going to be doing my best to keep track of

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Speaker 1: how many interesting and fascinating things we discussed, kind of

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Speaker 1: Let's start where we've been starting. Yes, big picture fascination

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Speaker 1: Purdue's over under his five and a half, and right

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Speaker 1: now the public is crushing the under. I kind of

434
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Speaker 1: like it, like the under no under, Yeah, I do too.

435
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Speaker 1: It's a tough schedule anytime you're drawing from the West,

436
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,959
Speaker 1: anytime you're drawing both Ohio State and Michigan, it's almost unfair,

437
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Speaker 1: especially if you're Purdue with a new coach. And let's

438
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: be honest, there is a little bit of a rebuild

439
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: going on here at the moment, right so it just

440
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 1: it just seems like that's not a great setup, even

441
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Speaker 1: if we like Ryan Walters. I like Ryan Walters. I

442
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 1: think he was a good hire. It just might take

443
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Speaker 1: a little bit to kind of reconstitute things now with

444
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Speaker 1: you know, given the setup.

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Speaker 2: Can I can I truffle? Can I truffle hunt for you?

446
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: Really quick? About Purdue? Yes, tough schedule. A lot of

447
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: new faces, not a lot of new pieces. There's a

448
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 2: there's one specific guy that I'm very excited about. There's

449
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Speaker 2: another Carl Loftis. There's another car Yes, there is another.

450
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 2: His name is Yanni. Yanni carloftis that linebacker.

451
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 1: We have a Yannie sound. We gotta get a Yannie sound.

452
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Speaker 2: We should probably hopefully he's a star so we can

453
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Speaker 2: make a big deal about it. But there is a

454
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Speaker 2: new car Loftis in West Lafayette.

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Speaker 1: I'm jotting this down. Yannie sound, please do asa.

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Speaker 2: P mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: There is another beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I A n N. I was a red shirt freshman

459
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Speaker 2: last year.

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Speaker 1: Yanni. I love it? Oh God, Okay, where next?

461
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Speaker 2: All right? You want to go to Ohio State?

462
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Speaker 1: I would love to.

463
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Speaker 2: I would love to do that tandem of Michigan and

464
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Speaker 2: Ohio State near the top.

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Speaker 1: Would I would love to do that? Dan? Yeah, So look,

466
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Speaker 1: Ohio State's in a similar position as Michigan because they

467
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: made the playoff a year ago as well. Eleven and

468
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 1: two was their final record. They lost in heartbreaking fashion

469
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Speaker 1: to Georgia. They basically played Georgia to a draw. If

470
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Speaker 1: you look at the stats, it was an even game

471
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Speaker 1: against Georgia, and they were up fourteen with ten minutes left,

472
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Speaker 1: and they ended up losing forty two to forty one.

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Speaker 1: So I want you to keep that in perspective. Despite

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Speaker 1: all the hand rigging about getting drilled by Michigan in

475
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: consecutive years, this is still obviously an incredible team. Yeah,

476
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Speaker 1: and maybe the only team all season that laid a

477
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Speaker 1: glove on Georgia, the defending national two time defending national champions.

478
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Speaker 1: They led right there. They led twenty to seventeen, as

479
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Speaker 1: they said earlier, over Michigan as well in the game.

480
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Speaker 1: It's not like Ohio State is on an entirely different

481
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: plane from what we're perceiving as the best in college football.

482
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: They're right there with them. It was just the big

483
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: play thing, The big pass problem is what I've got

484
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Speaker 1: them at as my point of fascination. Because they're loaded

485
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. It's an embarrassment of riches.

486
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Speaker 1: It's also striking, as an aside, how few seniors project

487
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Speaker 1: as like starters in this system. Seven of twenty two

488
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: by my count, are seniors or grad transfers or grad.

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Speaker 2: Good ones go pro.

490
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Speaker 1: But yeah, the good ones go pro. The good ones

491
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: will go pro. After this year, I think there'll be

492
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Speaker 1: a lot of turnover a foot After twenty twenty three,

493
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: the defense will be a little better. I think the

494
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Speaker 1: offense will be a little bit worse. But by and large,

495
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be really good. They're gonna be really good,

496
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Speaker 1: and they're gonna be in this conversation all year. Honestly,

497
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Speaker 1: if it weren't for a few big pass plays last year,

498
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Speaker 1: explosive pass plays, this is a much different conversation about

499
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Speaker 1: Ohio State this year. Plays that got them. It's a

500
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: few plays. JJ McCarthy hit three of them in the

501
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: second half of that game, all of which went for

502
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Speaker 1: more than forty yards, and that was why they lost

503
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Speaker 1: to Michigan. Then Stetson Bennett had the long one to

504
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: start the comeback in the in the playoff game. So

505
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Speaker 1: you stopped a few of those, and I think Ohio State,

506
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Speaker 1: you can make a case at Ohio State's aad defending

507
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Speaker 1: national champion. It's not a lot that they need to

508
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Speaker 1: fix here in my view, Okay, defense is loaded. I

509
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Speaker 1: sense from what you said there that you don't fully agree.

510
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Speaker 2: I mean, you could make the case that Ohio State

511
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Speaker 2: is the defending national champion. Well no, not now.

512
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Speaker 1: But if a few things go in their direction in

513
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Speaker 1: the playoff game, maybe otherwise, if they can, if they

514
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Speaker 1: if they stop a few more of those big plays,

515
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Speaker 1: then maybe it's a much different conversation. Right now, they

516
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: were good enough to be in that championship game. Maybe

517
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: they should have been. Look, if Notre Dame stopped a

518
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: few more plays, they probably would have beaten. Marshall, you're

519
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: gonna give me the if wheels on a bicycle thing,

520
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: I know, right right, Like it's fine, it's the spart Yeah,

521
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine.

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Speaker 2: I just don't feel like they're that far off. No,

523
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Speaker 2: of course they weren't far one hundred percent. Played Georgia

524
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: more impressively than any other team.

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Speaker 1: The defense returns seventy seven percent of its production. Ten

526
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Speaker 1: guys earned some form of All Big Ten Honors, which

527
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Speaker 1: is nuts. Just think about that rear. They play eleven guys,

528
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Speaker 1: ten of them earned All Big Ten Honors in some capacity.

529
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Speaker 1: Tommy Eikenberg, Steel Chambers. Those are the linebackers that are

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Speaker 1: I think kind of quarterbacking the defense. Both are back

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Speaker 1: JT tooy Molau. Did I say that right?

532
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Speaker 2: You did a good job from Washington, Yeah.

533
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Speaker 1: Tooy mola'aoo. I'm really bad at these names. I apologize.

534
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Speaker 1: I'm trying. Uh. He's obviously a force up front and

535
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Speaker 1: made his att JTT, thank you. I like it. This

536
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Speaker 1: is going to be year two hunder Jim Knowles. I

537
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Speaker 1: think the pass rush is going to get better. The

538
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Speaker 1: front seven obviously is going to be incredible. Based on

539
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: the names that I rattled off there, I don't fully

540
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Speaker 1: know what to make of the secondary, and that that

541
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Speaker 1: presents a little bit of a conflict because I know

542
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: that the big pass problem is the thing that they

543
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: got to fix. It's Ohio State. They've got guys plenty

544
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: of depth. Obviously, It's just not as proven as I

545
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: think the rest of the defense. So that's the one

546
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: thing that I am watching. I do think though, the

547
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: defense as a whole, we'll get better. It's year two

548
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: hunderd Jym Knowles. They took a huge step forward last season.

549
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: For the most part, it was just a few things

550
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: that ultimately got in their way. The interesting thing though,

551
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: another interesting thing on Ohio State side. We're up to

552
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: nine points and only three teams here. The schedule, schedule

553
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 1: is kind of challenging. This series on the road at

554
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame. They got Wisconsin on the road, they got

555
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: Michigan on the road, they're home against Penn State. All

556
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: those teams are going to throw it. And so the

557
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: reason I bring it up right now is because if

558
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Speaker 1: they don't get the secondary and the big past problem

559
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: sorted out, then perhaps this is something we could see

560
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: more of, could be something to get stuck in their crop.

561
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Speaker 1: Another point of fascination. I won't dig it again. We're

562
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Speaker 1: up to ten points already. This is crazy, but not

563
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 1: so much a question of skill talent On offense, it's

564
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Speaker 1: Ohio State. They've got the best receiver room in the

565
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: country with Marvin Harrison Junior and a Mecca Buca Julian Fleming.

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Speaker 1: They're gon be very good. Nobody can cover them. But

567
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Speaker 1: it is a quarterback thing, like who's going to be

568
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Speaker 1: Is it going to be Kyle McCord, Is it gonna

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Speaker 1: be Devin Brown? I thought they would have named Kyle

570
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Speaker 1: McCord by now. It sounds like Ryan Day is going

571
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Speaker 1: to take that all the way into the fall. Kyle

572
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: McCord's got more experience. He gained more experience in actual gameplay.

573
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Speaker 1: He also gained more experience in the spring because Devin

574
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: Brown hurt his hand. But we'll find out more about

575
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Speaker 1: who that guy is going to be. Whoever it is,

576
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: we'll obviously have weapons to throw to the backs behind him.

577
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: The line needs to be a little bit reconstituted. They

578
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: lose three starters, but at this point, with the way

579
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Speaker 1: that Ryan Day has the offense humming, you could probably

580
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Speaker 1: start a cardboard cutout at quarterback and still get top

581
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: twenty level caliber performance. Ohio State is going to score points,

582
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Speaker 1: Guys will get open. Whoever the quarter back is is

583
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: going to have good numbers. So look, I'm again I'm

584
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: splitting hairs here by talking about one specific stat that

585
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: continuously came back and got Ohio State in the butt

586
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: last year. The schedule is a bit challenging, but I

587
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: feel like they've got the horses and it ultimately is

588
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: going to come down to a few games this year.

589
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: It's going to come down to the Michigan game, is

590
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: going to come down to the Penn State game, probably

591
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame game, and maybe Wisconsin to some extent.

592
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: Wisconsin is probably going to throw with Tanner Mordecai. But

593
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: like if you're an Ohio State fan, it comes down

594
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: to beating Michigan and maybe winning a playoff game. Otherwise

595
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Speaker 1: that anything short of that is probably a disappointment.

596
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Speaker 2: Wait, anything short of winning the Big Ten is a disappointment, Yeah,

597
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: for sure, and not making the playoff is always going

598
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: to be a disappointment for Ohio State. I mean the

599
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: fascinating thing to me with Ohio State again, I think

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Speaker 2: I echo what you say that the quarterback situation will

601
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: be fine just because of how advantaged whoever that quarterback

602
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: is will be with the running backs. Now to him

603
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: with the receivers and tight end Kate stoverback right, that

604
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: he's throwing to the offensive line is kind of new. Right,

605
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: they're replacing tour full time guys, but a lot of played.

606
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's enough there that it's not It's not a

607
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: full rebuild like we're going to talk about with Maryland. Okay,

608
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: it's just right. These are things on different levels altogether.

609
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: They will be fine up front, but I think it

610
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: would be foolish to expect it's going to perform at

611
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: the same level as last year, maybe a slight step

612
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Speaker 1: back at worst.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the thing to me is probably with Ohio

614
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: State that is still the concern is the secondary just

615
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: because I guess the word would be islands. They were

616
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Speaker 2: especially bad when they were manned up by Penn State guys,

617
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: by Michigan guys, by Georgia guys, if that's what you're

618
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Speaker 2: measuring yourself against. Because Ohio State dudes got pressure in

619
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Speaker 2: this new defense, they got to the quarterback and so

620
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: it was a lot of issues with letting guys get

621
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Speaker 2: behind you or losing those fifty to fifty balls against

622
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Speaker 2: the more talented guys on the better teams, just to

623
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: see because what Denzel Burke is back. Denzel Burke is back, Yep,

624
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: Procter and Ransom the got their back. They're good players,

625
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: but it's just are they going to be put in

626
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: better position? And are they going to be better when

627
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: when finding themselves on islands against Cornelius Johnson right against

628
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Speaker 2: you know, I don't have Penn State's receiver room in

629
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: front of me. I always forget who's on Penston Dante's

630
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: fish right guys like Brown. Yeah, they did give up

631
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: plays last year and the game started very well for

632
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: Ohio State last year, but Penn State made a ton

633
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: of plays. Last year was Parker Washington, and so it's

634
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: are they able to uh to smother a little bit

635
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: more this year? That to me is huge.

636
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Speaker 1: Caandre Lambert Smith, I said Lambert Brown, I apologize, It's okay,

637
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm yelling here. I feel great about Ohio State. They're

638
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: over under is ten and a half.

639
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: Same.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I would take the over on that, frankly, Okay,

641
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would go there with it.

642
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: They obviously have the players that can win twelve games.

643
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: The quarterback thing, We'll wait and see.

644
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: On that one, arguably the most gravitational player in college football.

645
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: And Marvin Harris Harrison junior.

646
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying they won't hit that over, by

647
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: the way, I'm just saying I would not bet it personally. Okay,

648
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: let's go to Wisconsin. I want to talk Wisconsin. I

649
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: think Wisconsin is crazy fascinating this year. So after all

650
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: those years basically running the same system, Wisconsin decided, no, Mas,

651
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: They're going to take things in a drastically different direction,

652
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: not so much by hiring Luke Fickle, who I think

653
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: is a perfect fit for Wisconsin. But they bring in

654
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: Phil Longo from North Carolina, they bring up Tanner Mordecai

655
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: as a transfer. Are they gonna throw it now? Is

656
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: this going to be a new era of Wisconsin football

657
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: where they just air it out and go completely counter

658
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: to what they've been all these years.

659
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: I think it'll look different. I think they're going to

660
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: spread out more. I think they're going to play with

661
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: more tempo. But if you remember what Phil Longo did

662
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: at North Carolina twenty twenty, Michael Carter and Javonte Williams,

663
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: I was in the yard rushers. So I think there's

664
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: gonna be a good amount of balance and there should

665
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: be a good amount of balance because of what Wisconsin

666
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: returns up front and depending on who you ask. Tanner Mordecai.

667
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: Spring was mostly good but still getting used to it still,

668
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: you know, transitioning away from SMU. I think they're gonna

669
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: be in a very good place. On offense, it might

670
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: take a little bit of time. It's gonna take a

671
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: little time, but I think I'm high on Wisconsin's offense.

672
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: They it really is. And the fascinating thing to me

673
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: is it's an offense on the fly with so many

674
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: moving pieces. New coordinator, new system, new head coach, new quarterback.

675
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: They bring in a bunch of I'm not going to

676
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: say like dudes, but guys at receiver. They simply needed

677
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: the bodies because they didn't recruit to have like a

678
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: six to seven receiver rotation in the way that they

679
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: probably will moving forward. And they have a luxury of

680
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: Braylan Allen on offense, which is, you start out with

681
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: a promising offensive line in Braylan Allen, you're ahead of

682
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: a lot of teams just are. And so Wisconsin will

683
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: find some roadblocks as they try to transition. But I'm

684
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: I'm high on this ceiling, this by mid season ceiling

685
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: for this Wisconsin offense. I'm a little bit more worried about.

686
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: And this is very strange to say about the Wisconsin defense, Okay,

687
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 2: and it's just because of what they lose up front

688
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 2: on defense and because of the turnover on defense, and

689
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: you know, the I think the defensive line it's not

690
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: something to worry about, but it is. It feels more

691
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: unproven than usual. The linebacking corps isn't a good spot.

692
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 2: They're a little bit thin at corner, so you might

693
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: need to see more outscoring than usual, you know, maybe

694
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 2: some more thirty one to twenty eight type Wisconsin games.

695
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: But the reality with Wisconsin, with all of that is

696
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: there's nothing really losable until week six and that there's

697
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: an Iowa at Illinois, Ohio State all in a row,

698
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: and then they finished with Nebraska and at Minnesota with

699
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: the Ax game. But we've made mention of this before.

700
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: Relatively speaking, this is as ideal a first year schedule

701
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 2: for Luke Fickle in Wisconsin as one could hope, given

702
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 2: the teams, given where those teams are, given where those

703
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: games are. Like, I want to pump the brakes a

704
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: little bit because I know you talked about like ten

705
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: win potential just because the schedule, not necessarily with how

706
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: Wisconsin was built. But I'd like to see a little

707
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 2: bit more depth on defense. But that's you know, that's

708
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: Luke Fikele and Mike Tressels, that's the calling card.

709
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: Does it surprise you that Jim Leonard didn't get that

710
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: gig as defensive coordinator?

711
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: I think so, But I also think it was recognized

712
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: that it was probably time for a bit of a reboot.

713
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: That would have been the old move. And so the

714
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 2: old move and the old progression didn't sort of hit

715
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: a snag, And so with having Luke Fickle nearby, with

716
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: having him as proven as he obviously is now, with

717
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: what he did at Cincinnati, I thought it was gutsy

718
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: inasmuch as it can be. And hiring lup wickles a

719
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: no brainer if he's going to come to you. But yeah,

720
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: a little bit surprise, but still on the younger side.

721
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: And Wisconsin is a major place. Who knows, who knows

722
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: what happened behind the scenes.

723
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the DraftKings over underlines right now, you

724
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 1: can get over eight and a half Wisconsin right now.

725
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: Looking at this schedule, that feels like a damn near

726
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: lock to me. Again, here are the road games Wazoo, Purdue, Illinois, Indiana,

727
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: and Minnesota. Those are the road games now, Wazoo. Okay,

728
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: maybe that there's a little bit of weirdness there, and

729
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: who knows what to expect out of Purdue Illinois should

730
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: have a pretty good defensive line if nothing more. And

731
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by Indiana, though I don't think they're going

732
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: to beat Wisconsin. Right home games Iowa, Ohio State, Northwestern

733
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: Nebraska like the only game on here that really frightens

734
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: me is Ohio State. So if you're saying there's two

735
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: other losses on there and you still hit the over,

736
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: I kind of love the over Wisconsin, to be honest.

737
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 2: I think so too. I just I guys hesitate a

738
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: little with so much new, But yeah, it shapes up

739
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 2: really nicely for them. If Tanner Mordecai continues a pace.

740
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 2: Now it was in the American it's a different situation,

741
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: but he's played big teams, he's won big games. Yeah,

742
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: I don't hate it. I'm just not getting near it.

743
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: Interesting. Do you like the Luke Fickle higher as much

744
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: as I do?

745
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Of course, definitely feels like a no. I think

746
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: he's going to recruit smartly. I think he's going to

747
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: recruit well. I think there are going to be more

748
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: blue chip offensive linemen, running backs, defensive players overall, especially

749
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: a linebacker. Given where where Wisconsin situated geographically, I think

750
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: he is going to maximize whisky. Now, could that mean

751
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: losing to Ohio State or Michigan every year in the

752
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: Big Ten Championship. It could, It absolutely could. But I

753
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 2: think he's going to build this team to the point

754
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: where if there is a flaw, if there is a weakness.

755
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: If Jim Harbaugh leaves, if Ryan Day leaves or is

756
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: fired or whatever, Wisconsin's never going to be positioned to

757
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: become the new power in the conference. But in the

758
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: correct year, yeah, there's Wisconsin in a twelve team playoff.

759
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, the Big ten West I think comes up to

760
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: comes down to Wisconsin against Iowa. Probably it feels like

761
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: Wisconsin versus Iowa, and I was in an interesting spot

762
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: as well. Now, of course, we made a lot this

763
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: preseason about the Brian Farren's key performance indicators, i e.

764
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: A twenty five points per game or he loses his job.

765
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: Yep.

766
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: That said, the ad who I think brokeered that little

767
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: clause is retiring, So who knows if that's something that

768
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: they will actually uphold, but I think it's written into

769
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: his contract and twenty five to survive for Brian Ferrence.

770
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: You can talk a little bit about whether or not

771
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: you're feeling that twenty five points per game now with

772
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: Kate McNamara and presumably no real changes on the offensive

773
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: side of the ball, The Iowa schedule is interesting in

774
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: that there are only four true road games. They're at

775
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: Iowa State, at Penn State, at Wisconsin and at Nebraska.

776
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: Obviously those are not easy, but to be honest, those

777
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: are the hardest games in the schedule. So, as we

778
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: said many moons ago, even though the schedule is definitely

779
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: a talking point, it is very much like a post

780
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: schedule reality for Iowa at this point. They play defense.

781
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: The defense smothers opposing offenses. It really is more a

782
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: function of what kind of offense they themselves can generate

783
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: that will determine their ultimate outcome this season, not so

784
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: much who they're even playing, right, It's just they're kind

785
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: of beyond that. What are you seeing on the Iowa side?

786
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: Like are you feeling over under that twenty five for

787
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: Brian Ferrence? And what is this I don't know season

788
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: look like to you?

789
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 2: So what I have written down here is the Farence tax,

790
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: because on its surface, that that's great, the Farence tax

791
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: on it. On on the surface, what Iowa has returning,

792
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: what Iowa has on both sides of the ball, what

793
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: Iowa adds the I don't know, this is a question

794
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: for another day. Bart you can do your best at

795
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 2: answering it with no notice, Like who's the most pretty

796
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: good coach in college football? Like Sam Pittman, Like what

797
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: would Sam Pittman do with this exact roster, with the

798
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: exact with with Brian Farrence calling the offense, with uh

799
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 2: with Phil Parker calling the defense in this exact roster,

800
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: but you replace Kirk ference who's done obviously a really,

801
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: really good job at Iowa, all things considered. But if

802
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: you gave Sam Pittman this roster and Phil Parker, and

803
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 2: it could change everything else. Like you look at Iowa

804
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: and be like, hey, they winning nine games. They're absolutely

805
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: winning nine games and could certainly win West once again

806
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: and suffocate a number of teams on defense. Dave Dorin

807
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, one of those coaches. And then

808
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: you look at the Farence tax of the stubborn nature

809
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: and the nepotism and not being able to attract and

810
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: develop quarterbacks and to stick with something that's not working,

811
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: to not be a destination for any sort of attractive

812
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: skill player who's not a tight end. I don't know.

813
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: You subtract points per game, You subtract points per drive.

814
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: Here's the good news. If it truly was a quarterback

815
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: issue last year and this offensive staff and Kirk Farence

816
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: learned from what plagued them, You've got an efficient quarterback

817
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: in Kate McNamara. By the way, if we could just

818
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: circle back, because you would use your KPIs, we can

819
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: go corporate term here, if we could circle back here. Yeah,

820
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: is Kid McNamara the second best Big Ten quarterback in

821
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: terms of I mean, like that's a team to the playoff.

822
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: That's sort of the point of the of the conference, right.

823
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just not a great proven quarterback conference

824
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: by any stretch.

825
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he could just be Kelly Bryant right that

826
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: he was right place, right time, efficient, didn't mess it up.

827
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: I think he's a pretty good quarterback. I think he's

828
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: pretty good. So he is throwing to what should be

829
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: again good tight ends, including Eric All who was hurt

830
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 2: last year. But if you remember that Penn State came

831
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: from a couple of years ago. Yeah, it was a

832
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: big time tight end from Michigan a couple of years ago.

833
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: They got to receive it from Ohio State. They should

834
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: be decent at running back. But I think a lot

835
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: of that is just going to depend on how predictable

836
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 2: and creative the offense is in general. If it's creative

837
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: and a little bit unpredictable, then Caleb Johnson should be

838
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: pretty good. He was at times very good last year.

839
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: The offensive line returns a ton Is that a good thing?

840
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 2: Who's to say they weren't good last year? So yes,

841
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 2: there's experience there, ty, But is that experience something you're

842
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: actually looking for when talent also matters. I don't know,

843
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: we'll see. Maybe it was just, you know, young guys

844
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: thrown into it as you like, and now they feel

845
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: more comfortable, they have their feet under them. Whatever again,

846
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: Farence tax all those things, experienced, offensive line, efficient quarterback,

847
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: good tight ends, receivers, whatever. I just don't think we'll

848
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: ever know if there's a good receiver at Iowa. But

849
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: they have the advantage of the complement of the Iowa defense.

850
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 2: Cooper to Gen amazing, all big ten player. Like, they

851
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 2: lose a bunch upfront, they return a bunch upfront. They

852
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: should be fine at linebacker. We'll see. On the defensive line.

853
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: You know, Riley Moss is gone, but I don't know.

854
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: They just keep finding guys. They'll be fine in the secondary. No,

855
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: they won't be fine. They'll be terrific in the secondary.

856
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: But you can lose a game thirteen to ten just

857
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 2: as easily as you can win and so that's the issue.

858
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: So the Farence tax to me is probably four or

859
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 2: five points. I'm gonna say they barely don't hit twenty

860
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 2: five a game for whatever that's woh, So.

861
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 1: Does he get fired? Does he get fired?

862
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 2: If that has I think it's his last season. Think

863
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: it's his last year. Either way, I think it's his

864
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: last year. Well, there is, They're just not going to

865
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 2: be so successful that of course you keep Brian Ferrence,

866
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: what a turnaround story. They're not going to score thirty

867
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: eight a game, So I don't know.

868
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: It would be something if it's right around twenty five.

869
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: If I think it's me twenty four to seven twenty four.

870
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: If it's twenty seven seven or even like twenty five

871
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: point one, it just makes that discourse so freaking interesting.

872
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: And bear in mind there's also a change in leadership,

873
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: as they said at the top here going on at

874
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: Iowa right now. Gary bart is stepping down and somebody

875
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: Knew presumably stepping in who hasn't been there nearly as

876
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: long as Gary barta. What is their pressure to try

877
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: and make any kind of change at Iowa. It's it's

878
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: a hard thing to do given that Kirk Ference's royalty.

879
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: But you know, with face if faced with having to

880
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: fire his son, what does that do I don't know.

881
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just an odd.

882
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: Well, it took the decision. They took the decision out

883
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: of his hands, right, yeah, kind of.

884
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: But it's just such an odd circumstance that we don't

885
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: we don't get these like WWE style career matches in

886
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: college football often, and I'm just curious to see what happens.

887
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: The over unders eight and a half by the way,

888
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: for the Iowah Hawk guys this season right now. A

889
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: lot of folks in on that over. I feel pretty

890
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: good about the over. I think I will be pretty good.

891
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: I know we're going to make all these wise cracks

892
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: about the team and the circumstances and the farences, but

893
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of do have a down pat

894
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: at this point with being a pretty consistent team. It's

895
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: just frustrating they're not getting to greater heights on that

896
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: offensive side.

897
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't trust my wagering advice, but can I tell

898
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: you something that is interesting to me? Why not Okay

899
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 2: Iowa plays Utah State, Western, Michigan, Rutgers, Northwestern, Okay, all

900
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 2: teams that if Iowa is firing on all cylinders, whatever

901
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: that means to you, Todd, Okay, they play those teams

902
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: which all could turn in a catastrophic performance against Iowa.

903
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: If Iowa is pretty good, decent, okay, competent, passable whatever

904
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 2: on offense, the over in those games so that Brian

905
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: Farrence doesn't have to.

906
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: Sweat, you're thinking they lay it on.

907
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking if they are laying it on Western Michigan, right,

908
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 2: if it's clear at the half, if it's clear at

909
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 2: the onset, I don't know if you're alive better whatever

910
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: you are, but that they could score sixty five points

911
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: that they're just going to keep starters in so that

912
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: when you average it out, that they're going to have

913
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: a couple of games fluffing up the average. Wow, the

914
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: Farance fluff up, a Farance fluff up against I don't know.

915
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Rutgers had a pretty decent defense

916
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 2: last year. We can get into that whenever, and Northwestern

917
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: doesn't have a good defense. I don't have much of

918
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: anything right now. But whether it's Utah State, whether it's

919
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: Western Michigan, that to me, I don't know. If it's

920
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: an overthing. I don't know if you're just you know,

921
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: giving the points. But I think there's going to be

922
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: a Farence fluff up in one of those games. We're like,

923
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: oh wow, they'd be in Northwestern eighty to ten. I

924
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: jotted this down and then they just score seventeen a

925
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: game the rest of the way. But the math, the

926
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: math works out. That's what I would do if I

927
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: were a ference.

928
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: Dan, I want to talk about Illinois next. You are

929
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: in the great state of Illinois, are you not?

930
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: Is this just between us? Nobody can hear this. I

931
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: am and I am recording this. I am a resident

932
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: of and happy to be here. Ty, what do you

933
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: want to know?

934
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: You have an Illinois driver's license.

935
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: Now I haven't gotten that far yet. I still have

936
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: my New York license. I need to get it. So

937
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: Illinois arguably the story of the Big Ten last year. Yes,

938
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 2: just with the degree to which their defense ascended and

939
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: having Brett beilamuch Is back in our lives in a

940
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 2: big way. Tommy DeVito, Oh yeah, a lot has changed,

941
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: you know, maybe at the best in college football. He's

942
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: gone taking what fifth or sixth overall, Devin Witherspoon, But

943
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: still a lot to like about Illinois. Now, the fascinating

944
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 2: thing to me about Illinois is honestly how long they

945
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: can be successful from the inside out. Because right now

946
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: offensive line is in good place, defensive line is in

947
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: a good place. They're rebuilding their secondary. But it's basically

948
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 2: continuity of beef the beef epoch. I don't know however

949
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: you want to describe this, but look, this is Brett Bielman.

950
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: This is what he's always done and attempted to do.

951
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: But Illinois just is not going to be always as

952
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: advantaged as some of the bigger programs in the Big Ten.

953
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't have any thoughts on Luke Altmeyer.

954
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: I think the offense will largely be okay. I think

955
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: Josh McCray will be fine taking over for Chase Brown.

956
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: But to me, it's still do they have the beef

957
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 2: to threaten to win the West once again?

958
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: Beef epoch gets a deaf and it ding in the show.

959
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: By the way, when you go into like your guttural

960
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: like gets a definite there is a little bit of

961
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: like do riders like, There is a little bit of

962
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: me is yet a little bit of boomer to when

963
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: you go to that register which I always.

964
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I need to bring it up a register.

965
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: I can't do it though. My voice O caaspy from

966
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: all these damn previews we've been doing.

967
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So Isaiah Williams not Juice Williams, but could be

968
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: Isaiah Williams back at receiver, he's sensational. Uh, they don't

969
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 2: have the depth of receiver, but the line should be

970
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 2: in good shape. If Luke Altmeyer is decent, got beat

971
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: out last year by Jackson Dart at Old Miss transferred.

972
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: If he's decent, I mean, Tommy DeVito is accurate, but

973
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 2: wasn't like a There wasn't a pop factor with Tommy

974
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: DeVito all the time. This wasn't an offense built around

975
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 2: stretching the field. But in some of those weird games

976
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: that Illinois lost, if Luke Altmeyer is a little bit,

977
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: if he's a little bit more dangerous, right, then Illinois

978
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: becomes interesting because there they're not going to have the

979
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: past defense. Obviously, Ryan Walters moves on, they hire internally

980
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: at defensive coordinator, but they there's still so much talent

981
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: on that defense that I think they're just going to

982
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 2: be what do we call them? Last year? Like our

983
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: preview of Illinois last year was I don't know how

984
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: many games they win, I don't know how many who

985
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: they beat, but there's just going to be such a

986
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: pain in the ass, such a pain which is man,

987
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: which was true. We nailed that. Happy about that. I

988
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 2: think I was the one who previewed Illinois last year

989
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 2: as well, so I see a lot of the same.

990
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: But it's another year of experience, and I wouldn't want

991
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 2: to play Illinois. They're the root canal of the conference.

992
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 1: Right They're paying the ass. A pain in the ass

993
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: in this sense is not a bad thing at all. No,

994
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: And they have a team built around defense. They're playing

995
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: a Kansas team early on in Lawrence, a team built

996
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: around offense. And they have Penn State the very next week,

997
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: which is quite the one. Two They've got a stretch

998
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: of at Purdue. So seeing Ryan Walters once again, Nebraska

999
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: at Maryland, Wisconsin all in a row, finish at Iowa,

1000
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: and then play Northwestern in Champagne. So all at all,

1001
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: this should be a bowl team. To me that the

1002
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: the drive for six is very real in Champagne, and

1003
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: I see them going bowling. Well. Johnny Newton and Keith

1004
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: Randolph upfront should help on the defensive line. I mean

1005
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: I called it out earlier, but they've got a pretty

1006
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: good defensive line and the beef.

1007
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: Epic like that epoch. Okay, where are we going next?

1008
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: You tell me where do you want to go?

1009
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: Let's talk Penn State. Let's talk State.

1010
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: Man, oh man, you want me to go to that

1011
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: register again?

1012
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: Did you see patn Ardoozy called them like a baby offense?

1013
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: I see that today. Yeah, it's a one offense now,

1014
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 2: one word. Christian Veo finally gets to play in a

1015
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: big boy off.

1016
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: In a big boy offense. And then he came out

1017
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: after the fact and clarified that he didn't intended it

1018
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: as any kind of any kind of So I love

1019
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: patn Ardoozy giving zero. It's the best story in college football.

1020
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: I know he just doesn't care. I love it.

1021
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 2: He's gonna bring his transition lenses to game day one day,

1022
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be great.

1023
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: So Penn State, man, Look, I can't I can't even

1024
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: I can't even hide my optimism from Penn State this year.

1025
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 2: Okay, eleven to two.

1026
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: Last year, their only losses were against Ohio State Michigan.

1027
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: The Michigan game has ever close the Ohio State game

1028
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: wasn't really either, but it was not quite as lopsided,

1029
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: let's say, as the Michigan game. The most fascinating thing

1030
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: about Penn State in twenty twenty three is that this

1031
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: is the best team James Franklin has ever had in

1032
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: his time in Penn State. This is gonna be his

1033
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: tenth year. Is the best team he's ever freaking had,

1034
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: and the best preseason team, best preseason team thanks partant

1035
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: point of clarification, Yeah, because they won the Big Ten.

1036
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: They won the Big Ten. Yeah, best preseason team he's

1037
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: ever had. If Drew aur lives up to the hype,

1038
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: who knows man, who knows? Who knows? What the heights

1039
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: are of this team. My optimism stems from the fact

1040
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: that this team has a really good offensive line coming

1041
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: into the season, which is not something I can ever

1042
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: remember saying in my time on this podcast, which I

1043
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: started with you way back when in two thousand and eight,

1044
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: I've never once said the offensive line is something I'm

1045
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: excited about this year. Never, So it's fair I am

1046
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: pumped because there are four starters back. Oh Fushano is

1047
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: the big name up front. He would have been a

1048
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: first round draft pick. He got some first round steam,

1049
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: but he decided to come back and get his degree

1050
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: and help build this team forward. The line stats that

1051
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: I looked at, the ones that you have access to,

1052
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: they all project forward a line that's got a lot

1053
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: of experience but has some work to do in terms

1054
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: of run blocking. Right, they could do a lot better

1055
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: in terms of run blocking. But still, if you look

1056
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: at what they did last season, this was the eleventh

1057
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: most explosive rushing team, which tells me that the running

1058
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 1: backs to two freshmen, two true freshmen, k Tron Allen

1059
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: and Nicholas Singleton, are really freaking good. Yeah m hm, I.

1060
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 2: Agree, really freaking good.

1061
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: So if the line gets a little bit better, if

1062
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: the running backs are still as dynamic because they were

1063
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: last season, we have no reason to think otherwise. This

1064
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: is going to be a really good offense that is

1065
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: built around the run. And then if you layer in

1066
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: Drew Aller, my guy, Drew Aller, suddenly we're talking about

1067
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: an offense that's got some serious pop. Now. I wanted

1068
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: Aller to play last year, even knowing what I know now,

1069
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: I still would have played him last year because I

1070
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: thought there was a definite ceiling on Sean Clifford. And

1071
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: by the way, that's an eleven win team from last

1072
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: year that won the Rose Bowl over Utah Okay, So

1073
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: they're pretty good in their own right. And Sean Clifford

1074
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: broke like every passing record, but Drew Aller just gives

1075
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: them something more man. He gives them more of a

1076
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: downfield threat. Sean Clifford. If you look at his air

1077
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: yard stats seven point seven air yards per throw on

1078
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: the whole, that was like outside the top one hundred

1079
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: for this passing offense last season. Drew Aller could be

1080
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: the X factor. He's bigger, he's got the stronger arm,

1081
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: he can move. I am enamored with what he brings

1082
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: to this offense. Even if they find themselves in the

1083
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: und likely circumstance that something could harm this six foot

1084
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: five mountain of a man, They've got Bo Prabulah behind him,

1085
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 1: So the coaching staff was playing footsies with all off

1086
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: season long, trying to prevent him, I think from transferring.

1087
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, but this is all very very very

1088
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: long way of saying that I'm super excited about Penn

1089
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,479
Speaker 1: State this season. I'm not sure what the report looks

1090
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 1: like with the receiving corps because you know they've got

1091
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: some turnover there. KeAndre Lambert Smith. It is Smith, not Brown.

1092
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: Excuse my prior misspeaking. He is, I think going to

1093
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: be the number one. But I'm very excited about what

1094
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: Dante Cephis brings via the transfer portal. I think there

1095
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: is a lot to be excited about with this Penn

1096
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: State offense, especially since it is built from the line out. Defensively,

1097
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: they should still be pretty solid defensively. This is maybe

1098
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: even knows better than Ohio State in terms of defense.

1099
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 2: At its best. Yeah, there's a lot of star power.

1100
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: The star power that I want everyone on this show

1101
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: to know about you and everybody listening, I should.

1102
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 2: Let you have my attention.

1103
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: Danny Dennis Sutton DDS, Okay, get yourselves used to DDS

1104
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: because he's going to be a star this season along

1105
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 1: the defensive line. A Desa, Isaac chop Robinson also back

1106
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: along the line. Ferocious pass rush incoming for the Penn State.

1107
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 1: Nitney Lyons, I love Abdul Carter at linebacker or Joey

1108
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: Porter is gone, but Kayln King is still there. One

1109
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: of the three best corners defensive backs in the league.

1110
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 1: The question really boils down to this, and I probably

1111
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: could have saved you all bunch of time just by

1112
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: starting here. Can they beat Ohio State? Can they be Michigan?

1113
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 2: Yep, that's they look like they watched enough. Look they

1114
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 2: look like they were good enough to beat Ohio State

1115
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: last year. They absolutely looked like they were a good

1116
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: enough team. Sean Clifford made two and a half to

1117
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: four and a half throws or something where you're just like,

1118
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 2: those are throws that a quarterback would throw if he

1119
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: was determined to lose a game. Exactly right, you couldn't

1120
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: be right, and so other than outside of his specific

1121
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 2: decisions in those specific moments in the first quarter and

1122
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: a half, Penn State did plenty to win that game. Unfortunately, again,

1123
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: every play matters, and so play matters. You cannot say

1124
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: that about Michigan though they did not look like they

1125
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: belonged to the same field as.

1126
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: Michigan left now that that game was never close. I

1127
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: mean it was close I think at halftime, but even

1128
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: that was kind of a mirage. The question of whether

1129
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: or not this Penn State team can beat Ohio State

1130
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: or Michigan is going to be with them all season

1131
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: long until they play one or two of those teams.

1132
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: If they emerge from the twenty twenty three campaign with

1133
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: fewer than ten wins and or a loss to both

1134
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: of Ohio State and Michigan, I think this will be

1135
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: a disappointing season. I really think expectations are on that level,

1136
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: and I don't think we're wrong to put them there.

1137
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: They got to beat one of those two teams. Yeah,

1138
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: they just got up. If they don't, then there's gonna

1139
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: be a lot of disappointed fans out there. And I

1140
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: don't think that's over selling it, because the schedule's really

1141
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: not that bad. Dan They're going to manhandle West Virginia

1142
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: in Week one. There's no crazy run of games and

1143
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: back to back road spots, no, no, No murderers Rose,

1144
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: not even wounders Rose. As we say, there's a stretch

1145
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: early of Illinois and Iowa which is extremely Penn State,

1146
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: and one of those two games is just it's inevitable.

1147
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: It's going to be closer than it should be. But

1148
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: anything less than ten and two, anything less than beating

1149
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, Ohio State or Michigan, I think it's a

1150
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: big time disappointment. With all the talent they've got back.

1151
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: Is there a little bit of Center County Clemson to

1152
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: Penn State. I had to look up which county state

1153
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: college is Center Center the NTRR Belmore.

1154
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: County, Centralish Way.

1155
00:58:58,680 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: Yes, quite.

1156
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: What do you mean by.

1157
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 2: Pop pop on offense? I don't think they have will Shipley.

1158
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: I they they've got good running backs in Allen and Singleton,

1159
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: and they have good running backs maybe with the ceiling

1160
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: of great we'll see. Singleton was I think the number

1161
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 2: one overall running back coming out of high school. He

1162
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: was so obviously there's some sort of crazy talent ceiling likely,

1163
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 2: and he pops some big plays, so there is pop

1164
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 2: pop with him at his best. Receivers my question Receivers

1165
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: my question for Penn State because year over year over

1166
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: year over year over year, they are one of the

1167
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 2: very few teams in college football that has had a

1168
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: clear ace, a clear stud kJ Hamler, Johan Dotson. You

1169
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 2: go back to the Joe moorehead years in, you know,

1170
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: Chris Godwin, all these different guys. You go back even

1171
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 2: further than that and Alan Robinson like they've had this

1172
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 2: like very quiet string of excellent top line, big ten

1173
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: receiver play. And when I look at the roster and

1174
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: maybe it's Cephists. He's a smaller guy, though not that

1175
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: Penn State hasn't succeeded with them those guys, I wonder

1176
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: if there is that guy and maybe to last year

1177
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 2: it was Parker Washington at his best, it was My

1178
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 2: question is there somebody obvious because Dante Savias hasn't done

1179
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: it on this level. Dante, it was.

1180
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: Very good last surface, hasn't done it on this level.

1181
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: I mean, KeAndre, That's.

1182
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: That's what I wonder right now.

1183
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: The presume number one, Yeah.

1184
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 2: Is there a younger player? Is there an unexpected name

1185
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: that you secretly love? Like that to me is the

1186
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 2: It's not a concern. I'm not actually worried about Penn State,

1187
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: but that's my curiosity about where Penn State is, Like

1188
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 2: do they have that gravitational dude in the way that

1189
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: Ohio State does I think Michigan will end up having.

1190
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 2: Does Penn State?

1191
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, and that that is kind of the question.

1192
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: Right if we're talking about this hot shot quarterback stepping

1193
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: in totally, who are going to be the weapons out

1194
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: wide that that we uh, you know see emerge. I

1195
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: don't know, And right now I think we have a

1196
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: few names to go on. But you know, unless we're

1197
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: talking about guys like Omari Evans or Harrison Wallace, you're

1198
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: going with the register again, not trying to. I can't

1199
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: help very very raspy after all these previews.

1200
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 2: That's good, No, keep going.

1201
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm very excited about Penn State. I'm very excited.

1202
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 2: The defense should be great.

1203
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: Defense would be great, The pass rush will be really

1204
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: really solid. You know, you've got to replace something in

1205
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: the secondary, but don't we all. I think I guess

1206
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: Penn State's could be really really good. And if there

1207
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: is a circumstance in which every one of Ohio State, Michigan,

1208
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: and Penn State are like one in one against each other,

1209
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: m hmm, seems entirely plausible to me.

1210
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: So of the six units of what we perceived to

1211
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 2: be the big ten powers Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn

1212
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 2: State right now, they're six main units. So excluding special teams,

1213
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 2: all due respect to special teams, where does Penn State's

1214
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 2: defense rank among those six?

1215
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: I think I think Penn State's got the second best defense.

1216
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 2: I would put defense or offense just in terms of

1217
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,479
Speaker 2: unit rankings, So one through six, you think Penn State

1218
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 2: has the second best unit of these six, yeah, I

1219
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,919
Speaker 2: mean if so, if we're ranking it, I would put

1220
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: Michigan's defense. Yeah, I put Michigan's defense ahead of Penn

1221
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 2: States and head of Ohio States by a nose. I

1222
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 2: would also put Michigan's offense ahead of Ohio State's offense,

1223
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 2: and then put Penn State third, just because there's a

1224
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: lot of unknown they're still with drew out right.

1225
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: I like them. I think they'll be very good, but

1226
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: they're more unknowns on the Penn State side. Honestly, in

1227
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: terms of if I'm ranking all overall units, like if

1228
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: you have six of those, Penn State's defense ahead of

1229
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: Ohio State's offense. No no, okay, no no no no

1230
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: no no no no no okay, So third overall, I

1231
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: think the best, the best of all of those worlds

1232
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: would be Michigan's offense right now, with how they're defense,

1233
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: Michigan's offense.

1234
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: Oh, Michigan's offense.

1235
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: I put Michigan offense, Ohio State's offense, and then Penn

1236
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: State's defense probably in that order. Yeah, okay, yeah, I

1237
01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: think that makes sense. Okay, interesting, maybe Michigan's defense ahead

1238
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: of Penn State's defense, but okay, so four and alf four,

1239
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: we'll put them out.

1240
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: Okay, I think they're right there. I think look at

1241
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,919
Speaker 2: their best and I'm not familiar with the two deep

1242
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 2: like you are.

1243
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: Penn State's defense might be number one. It's possible, It's

1244
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: very possible with what they return. I just I there's

1245
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: there's a clear gap between Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State.

1246
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: And Penn State I think has has enough weaponry this

1247
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: year where they can start challenging that top tier. Yeah,

1248
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: but you know, this.

1249
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 2: Is the year. We talked about it with Michigan. It's

1250
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: are we pointing to this year or next year? It's

1251
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 2: probably next year, Well it's considered. With Penn State, it's

1252
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: probably next year. It's probably next year because of Alur.

1253
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 2: But this type of line, like returning productional on the

1254
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 2: line for Penn State, it's just so rare over the

1255
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: last fifteen years. Honestly, it never happens like this. I know.

1256
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: So in that sense, it'll be it'll be challenge.

1257
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: So is the offensive line. The thing is that the fascinating.

1258
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: Them, that's the thing thing. I mean, the thing is

1259
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: that this is the best team Franklin's ever had. But

1260
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: the sub thing is definitely the offensive line.

1261
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: Love it. Okay, fair enough, Where do you want to

1262
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 2: go next to the West?

1263
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: Well, I want to talk I want to talk Leyland

1264
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: quickly here because Maryland is that. The conversation we had

1265
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: with Jeff Erman when we brought him on the program

1266
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: to talk about Maryland football was really like, what are

1267
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: they missing? What are they missing? Maryland wants to get

1268
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: to that next rung, which is beating one of those

1269
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: top three. And they were eight and five last season.

1270
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: They're over under a seven this year. Most fascinating thing

1271
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: for Maryland, both the offensive and defensive lines are a

1272
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: near complete rebuild, and that is a problem. Okay, both

1273
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: both are very green and thin, which is not a

1274
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: great combination, especially when you're talking about teams like Michigan,

1275
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: when you're talking about teams like Penn State, even when

1276
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: you're talking like teams like Rutgers that are going to

1277
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: run every loving crap out of the ball.

1278
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1279
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: That is a problem because their top five defensive linemen

1280
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: are gone. The line, I think for Maryland is a

1281
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: big time limiting factor, which frankly is a bummer because

1282
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: the actual the rest of the team is actually pretty

1283
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: good and the schedule is extremely gumpy.

1284
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 2: It sets up playing what that means. Explain what that

1285
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 2: means in case you haven't been following along with our nonsense.

1286
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can link up the schedule preview. But gumpy

1287
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,479
Speaker 1: means they catch teams in weird spots. They always find

1288
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: themselves in weird scheduling circumstances. Yes, and that makes them

1289
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: an attractive pick. I think it will against the spread,

1290
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: but it's just a line thing for me. Man, I

1291
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: have a hard time with this line. But now with

1292
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: this team, I think that Mike Waxley's actually done a

1293
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: pretty good job. Did you know that Maryland was thirty

1294
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: third overall in defense last season? I probably knew before

1295
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: the interview we did with Jeff Erman, but not off

1296
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: the top of my head. Now, yeah, I mean that's

1297
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: pretty good, right for Maryland with with where they've been

1298
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: to be the thirty third best defense, that's the best

1299
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: that they've been since the Randy Etzel days. So all

1300
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: due credit to Brian Williams, their defensive coordinator, did a

1301
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: good job. The defense isn't going to bottom out this year.

1302
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: Most of the back seven is back, but it's just

1303
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to look at a matchup against some of

1304
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: those teams that we know are going to run and think, okay,

1305
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: there's a pathway to victory here, barring any kind of

1306
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: turnover fast or something like that. The other fascinating thing

1307
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: about Maryland is that they've got both Josh Gaddis and

1308
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: Kevin someone running the offense this year, sure, which is

1309
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 1: new and different and you know, two recycles. I guess

1310
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: in a sense, I have absolutely no idea what that

1311
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: looks like.

1312
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: Everything twenty eleven, Tie would have been crazy impressed.

1313
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: All have been nuts about this.

1314
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 2: You kidding me? Yeah?

1315
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: Incredible? Yeah, what does this look like? I have no idea,

1316
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: no idea what took? I love Talia, I love rovinh Yeah.

1317
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: But again, remember this this is not a bottoming out situation.

1318
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't think. It just feels very uncertain across the

1319
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: board because of the line. I don't know what I

1320
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: think about their receiving core, but I think to Lea's

1321
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,959
Speaker 1: good enough to real least stabilize that side of things.

1322
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: It's just more uncertain to an offense than defense. The

1323
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: schedule's gumpy. The Michigan game is at home a week

1324
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: after Michigan goes to Penn State. The game against Michigan

1325
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: State is embedded in a stretch where Sparti plays Washington

1326
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: and Iowa before and after the Penn State games a

1327
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: week before Penn State hosts Michigan. The games against Illinois

1328
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: and Nebraska are just sort of wedged in as well.

1329
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: So the way it stands for Maryland, the over under

1330
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: seven five easy wins on the schedule. The question is

1331
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: in order to hit that eight, can they win three

1332
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: of Michigan State, Indiana, Ohio State, Illinois, Penn State, Nebraska

1333
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: and Michigan. Yep, I say no. I think it's a push.

1334
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: I wouldn't bet anything.

1335
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 2: So the upside is that the lines come together. Talia

1336
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 2: stays healthy, which has not always been a reality. Defense

1337
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 2: gets some takeaways, catches teams at the right spot. Maybe

1338
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 2: it's a beat up Michigan or beat up Penn State

1339
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 2: because they play them both near the end of the year. Correct,

1340
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 2: that's rue, so that they get a couple of situational

1341
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 2: advantages breakthrough against one of those teams. I mean they're

1342
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 2: right there with both Ohio State and Michigan. Last year

1343
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 2: I think was thirty to nothing. Was the Penn State game, Yeah,

1344
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 2: last year, so that was tough.

1345
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: That is not a good game.

1346
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 2: But right, so that they're getting up for these big games,

1347
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 2: they have to finish games, which they weren't always doing

1348
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 2: last year. They have to stay healthy. There's a lot

1349
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 2: of half two's here. But if they're going to get

1350
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 2: to that eight win plateau that we talked about, then

1351
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 2: it's it has to be.

1352
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: It's a line thing this year. Getting kind of lucky

1353
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,560
Speaker 1: that it all works out on both sides of the

1354
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: line scrimmage. It's a line thing this year, and if

1355
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: they catch teams, then Maryland plays hard. I would not

1356
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: want to play Maryland. Maryland has I think shown a

1357
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: lot of fight and it obviously is that next stage

1358
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: for them to try and beat one of those top three.

1359
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's happening this year with the

1360
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 1: way that this roster is built out, but in general

1361
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: I like the team. It's just kind of circumstantially weird.

1362
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,719
Speaker 2: Okay, And do they do they still have a clear

1363
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 2: where Keem Jarrett is gone.

1364
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: King Jared's gone? Yeah, I mean it's Jashn Jones who

1365
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: they had to talk back for a sixth year right

1366
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 1: target out wide. So it's like I said, it's a

1367
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: little bit dicey out wide. Okay, fair enough, Dan, I

1368
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: want to talk about Nebraska now, sure, new coach Matt Rule.

1369
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: We can dig this thing a thousand times over if

1370
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: we want. I won't. I promise we're up to twenty now, yeah,

1371
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: talk me through Nebraska. What is your what is your

1372
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:44,719
Speaker 1: thinking on the Huskers so so offensive line thin defensive line.

1373
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: We can just it's a continuity thing with the Maryland preview,

1374
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: with continuation.

1375
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 2: Now look Nebraska. The fascinating thing with Nebraska is you

1376
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: just want to see the bones. You just want to

1377
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 2: see the skeleton, You just want to see the foundation

1378
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 2: right that. You just want to see what Nebraska could

1379
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 2: look like at times with the right guys. And I

1380
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 2: think they're recruiting on a pretty high level right now.

1381
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 2: I think they have a top twenty class in twenty

1382
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 2: twenty four. And if you look at like the states

1383
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 2: they're recruiting from, it's like Texas, Florida, Hawaii, California, Florida,

1384
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 2: like they're all over the place. They're selling. Matt Rule

1385
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 2: is selling that Nebraska brand. But we're also talking about

1386
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 2: a team that is going to start a up and

1387
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 2: down Georgia Tech transfer at quarterback in Jeff Simms, Casey

1388
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 2: Thompson transfers to Florida Atlantic, Anthony Grant promising at running back.

1389
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 2: I don't think they've got a ton of talent at receiver.

1390
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 2: You know, Eric Gilbert comes over tight end is in

1391
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 2: a pretty good spot. The defense, I mean, it's an

1392
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 2: experienced secondary, but there's not much upfront. Now it's a

1393
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 2: Matt Rule team, So I think they're going to overperform,

1394
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 2: at least my evaluation, my silly evaluation. I still think

1395
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:54,879
Speaker 2: it's a talent deficiency upfront. It's going to take a minute,

1396
01:10:55,200 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 2: and so can a healthy Jeff Simms, who is good

1397
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 2: a good version of himself and limiting interceptions if he

1398
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 2: stays healthy all year and spreads the ball around. Well,

1399
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 2: I just I don't know. The Marcus sadderfield higher is fine.

1400
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 2: There was a lot of like old school talk. I

1401
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 2: saw Bill Connolly was writing about this, where it's just

1402
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 2: like we're gonna huddle, we're gonna run there, so we're

1403
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 2: gonna like, Okay.

1404
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: A lot of football guy talk going on here.

1405
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 2: You do it right, great, but that was a little

1406
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 2: bit alarming to me. Yeah, I think Matt. Look, it's

1407
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 2: year two, year three for matt Reee. You that's that's

1408
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 2: all that kind of matters at this point.

1409
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we know this about him, right, I mean,

1410
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: he's very good at building programs, and it isn't until

1411
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: year three that you see that lift in most cases,

1412
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: Do you believe that that version of Jeff Simms exists?

1413
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: By the way, the good version of Jeff Simms.

1414
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 2: I've seen good Jeff Simms. Yeah, I think it exists.

1415
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 2: But behind this offensive line throwing to these receivers, the.

1416
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: Good version of Jeff Simms is a lot like UFOs

1417
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,040
Speaker 1: in that there's no real good picture of them that

1418
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: the public has seen. They're always very fuzzy and circumstantial

1419
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: and theoretical, and you have varying eyewitness accounts.

1420
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 2: You know what, I think I think Jeff Sims would

1421
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 2: be a really good candidate to say Who's this year

1422
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,640
Speaker 2: is Max Duggan? Not because I believe it, but just

1423
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 2: because I think everybody believes in the better version of

1424
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 2: himself and the upside there, and that maybe it's a situation,

1425
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 2: maybe it's a coach, maybe it's a place whatever. Obviously

1426
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 2: Max Duggan stays in Fort Worth during the duration of

1427
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 2: his college career, but I think Jeff Simms would be

1428
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 2: a good value if you were to wager on whose

1429
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 2: name would be dropped in that conversation. I just obviously

1430
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 2: it's situation's completely different. Yeah, Nebraska, it's just bones, that's

1431
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 2: the fascinating thing.

1432
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: So you are quoting the wise prophet Maren Morris and

1433
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: saying the house don't fall if the bones are good.

1434
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 2: Yes, I'll take your word for it. I don't celebrate

1435
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 2: her catalog in the way that you do, obviously. I

1436
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:58,520
Speaker 2: know she's saying the middle.

1437
01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 1: Nobody's perfect, it's fine.

1438
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:05,799
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's my Nebraska fascination is just saying

1439
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 2: the you know, the magnitude of or not magnitude really,

1440
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 2: but like the degree to which they play hard and well.

1441
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 2: Like they're on the road at Minnesota and Colorado. I

1442
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 2: believe to begin Michigan and Illinois back to back. That's

1443
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 2: a that's a tough one two defense, Illinois and Champagne.

1444
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 2: They finish in uh In or at Camp Randall in Madison,

1445
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 2: and then the Heroes game is in Lincoln. So it's

1446
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 2: a rocky road. But curious to see who the the

1447
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 2: emerging dudes are. There's a lot of Georgia. There's a

1448
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 2: lot of Florida, you know, Utah Baylor that transfers in

1449
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 2: from major programs to fill out this roster. But I

1450
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 2: think it's going to take a few games.

1451
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: Do you follow Matt Rule on social media?

1452
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 2: More active than I would have? Very epoji forward?

1453
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's with that? That was gonna be my question.

1454
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: Whatever he wants, man, whatever he wants, just.

1455
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,719
Speaker 1: By this time until that Penn stage job opens, telling

1456
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: you you're still train gonna happen.

1457
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 2: Okay, next team.

1458
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about Minnesota mentioned Minnesota elite.

1459
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 2: If you were to believe front office sport elite, how

1460
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 2: are you taking I'm elite?

1461
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was there was a nice piece that came

1462
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: out on You're good?

1463
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 2: Are you elite?

1464
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 1: Do you like PJ.

1465
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 2: Fleck as a coach?

1466
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: Uh?

1467
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 2: I guess.

1468
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: I mean there's a little bit of snake oil there. Well,

1469
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: for I mean there's snakehole with everybody, every head coach.

1470
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 2: He has done a number of things. They've been at

1471
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 2: their best. So now you're going back four years, three years,

1472
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen season. At their best, they were one of

1473
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 2: the very most, the very best teams in terms of entertainment,

1474
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 2: factor on offense. The hire of Joe ROSSI I think

1475
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 2: was sensational. Uh. He has done wonders with their defense

1476
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 2: without high high high end talent, but the past couple

1477
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 2: years entertainment factor not been there at all. So he

1478
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 2: wins games, he goes to Bowl games.

1479
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 1: Slow and monotonous and just yeah, not not great television.

1480
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,600
Speaker 2: I kind of feel and look, they Tanner Morgan was

1481
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 2: there forever he got hurt last year. Again, they always

1482
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 2: seem to look better than what their final record would suggest.

1483
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 2: This how the season went, if that makes any sense,

1484
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 2: Like they should have appeared in more Big Ten championship

1485
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 2: games when the offense is rolling, when the defense was incredible.

1486
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 2: Leaf Us was great last year. It was really really good.

1487
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 2: But they don't turn it into actual postseason appearances and

1488
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 2: results in the way that you would think. So I

1489
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 2: don't know.

1490
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: I think they're sort of a B plus program and

1491
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: they're sort of in that. We talked about the schedule

1492
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: when we did the schedule previ which again I promise

1493
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: i'll link up here just people want to go back

1494
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: and listen to that. They've got four of the toughest

1495
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: Big Ten teams in the schedule. They've got miss They're

1496
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 1: at Iowa, They're at Ohio State. They also have Wisconsonant obviously,

1497
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,879
Speaker 1: they're in the West. They also go to North Carolina

1498
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: in Week three.

1499
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:07,759
Speaker 2: Correct, Those are.

1500
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 1: Five tough games right there, on top of what you

1501
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: might get playing against Illinois, right on top of what

1502
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 1: you might get opening week against Nebraska. Who knows what

1503
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: this version of Nebraska looks like. Maybe the bones will

1504
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: be good. I don't know. So there's just a lot

1505
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 1: here with Minnesota, and I know the corner we painted

1506
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 1: ourselves into when we talked about them previously was a

1507
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: schedule like, Oh, they're the beneficiaries of a of a

1508
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: really advantageous schedule. You may or may not believe that

1509
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: if you're listening at home. I'm not going to tell

1510
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: you what to believe. But that will not be the

1511
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: case this year. That will not be the case this year.

1512
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: This is a tough slate. This is a really tough slate.

1513
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,879
Speaker 1: And if he can't get everything aligned, maybe athin caliac

1514
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: Manus is the answer. A Greek freak. I don't know

1515
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: it cou'd be, but this is tough.

1516
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 2: So, yeah, he had he showed definite promise last year

1517
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 2: in relief most of the time, not all of the time.

1518
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 2: They have an interesting combination of returning and transfer wide

1519
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 2: receivers and running backs. Here's what I wrote down Western Missnesota.

1520
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 2: They're newly promoted offensive coordinator Greg Harbaugh was at Western

1521
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 2: Michigan a couple of years ago. They bring in Western

1522
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 2: Michigan's really good running back. They bring in their best receiver.

1523
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 2: They bring in a promising linebacker, all from Western Michigan.

1524
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 2: So Western Missnesota, so that's good. I think to FORTI

1525
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 2: five things, hopefully get some more consistency, hopefully gets some

1526
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 2: more pop. I don't you know Chris Atman Bell's back

1527
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 2: for a seventh year.

1528
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: Unbelievable, unbelievable bell.

1529
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 2: We had a Chris Atman Bell sound. I think it

1530
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 2: was like the Taco Bell bell. Like four years ago.

1531
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 2: We downloaded that.

1532
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:50,480
Speaker 1: You were still in your thirties.

1533
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 2: The offensive line should be pretty good. The defensive line

1534
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 2: is in good shape. It's basically a rebuilt secondary. Linebackers

1535
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 2: are pretty new, and as you mentioned, the schedule was

1536
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 2: pretty brutal. I think they're at a ball game. They

1537
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 2: have the field. They have like a seven and five field.

1538
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 1: To me, I need to ding Chris soutman bill. I

1539
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: don't have the bill, so I have to find that again.

1540
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 2: It was a ball. It was that kind of lower

1541
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 2: roll lower the taco bell bell so western Missnesota. I

1542
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 2: don't know who that's insulting to. But next where we

1543
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 2: go in Indiana, we're going Rutgers, now State? All right,

1544
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 2: let's talk Spartans.

1545
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, where do I start with? Last year? Uh five?

1546
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 2: And said start with like the ends that seemed to

1547
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 2: be a little bit more promising.

1548
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: Well, yeah it was. I mean, so, look, the defense

1549
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: was bad. If you listen to this show, you know

1550
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: the defense was bad. You know where Michigan State's been.

1551
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: The defense was really bad last season. The best wins

1552
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 1: were over Illinois and Wisconsin. They were not great at

1553
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:49,560
Speaker 1: throwing the ball. They were much worse at running it.

1554
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: A last you go five and seven. That's how you

1555
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: miss a bowl game. That's just that's just the rub here.

1556
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: The most fascinating thing now, I think going into the

1557
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,520
Speaker 1: season is the fact that they had too late transfers,

1558
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 1: really late transfers in the cycle in Peyton Thorn and

1559
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman. Peyton Thorn goes to Auburn, I think he

1560
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: might be the starter at Auburn.

1561
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 2: Could I still think I saw that Robbie was a

1562
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 2: Robbie Ashburn, my rational Ashford. Yeah, yes, the Oregon transfer,

1563
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 2: I think it.

1564
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 1: A Richie Ashburn former Philadelphia Philly.

1565
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 2: It's exactly what I'm thinking of. I'm always thinking of it.

1566
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing of him or Richie Sexton tie.

1567
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 2: You know how my brain works. Yeah, it does not

1568
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 2: super confident in or it's not super uh promising to

1569
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 2: look at the best receiver and the best quarterback is

1570
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 2: transferring out late now.

1571
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, Peyton Thorn. You could have made

1572
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 1: a case of Peyton Thorn shouldn't have played lat year,

1573
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: That should have been Noah Kim instead. But Keon Coleman,

1574
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,440
Speaker 1: I think is is really the one that's more problematic

1575
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: because he kind of penciled in as the new number

1576
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: one receiver after you know, they had Jayden Reid go

1577
01:19:55,360 --> 01:20:00,080
Speaker 1: to the Pros. So that one hurts a lot out wide.

1578
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 1: And as we look forward now with this offense, it's

1579
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:07,799
Speaker 1: probably Noah Kim or Kattenhauser at quarterback, kind of waiting

1580
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: to see who develops out wide. The offensive line will

1581
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 1: be a bit better. So maybe that means a better

1582
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: running game this year with Jalen Berger, but they're really

1583
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 1: thin at running back. Mel Tucker would have you believe

1584
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: that this was his best transfer class, ever, I don't

1585
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 1: buy that for a second. They tried to go out

1586
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: and do the thing with the transfer portal again that

1587
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 1: they had a lot of success with in year one

1588
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: with Kenneth Walker, right, But we have not yet seen

1589
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: similar returns as to what we saw for mel Tucker

1590
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: in that season. So I'm really mixed. On the offense,

1591
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: I don't have a whole lot of reason to feel

1592
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 1: overly confident in general, I would say on the defensive side,

1593
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: and by no means do I mean that this is

1594
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 1: the case everywhere, But in general, when we talk about

1595
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,799
Speaker 1: bad defense, we're also starting with talking about bad lines.

1596
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: And Michigan State was super beat up last year along

1597
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: the line. So what ends up happening is you're beat up,

1598
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: you end up giving new guys a chance to get

1599
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: in there and get reps. They should have a fair

1600
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,640
Speaker 1: amount of experience come back this season. Up front, the

1601
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: front seven as a whole I think looks looks okay,

1602
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 1: but the secondary just has new faces. Michigan State only

1603
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 1: had two interceptions last season if I counted correctly, too.

1604
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:24,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is not good.

1605
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 1: I think the secondary would be a problem, could be

1606
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: a problem this season first party, So I would say

1607
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 1: big time question mark on the offensive side of the ball,

1608
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: especially given the fact that we had transfers from those

1609
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: two key contributors or projected key contributors. And on defense,

1610
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:47,759
Speaker 1: I think maybe a step forward along the front seven. However,

1611
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: the secondary remains an issue, and that's not great because

1612
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 1: the secondary was an issue last season in the year before.

1613
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 2: I like their coordinator. I like Scottie Hazelton on defense.

1614
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: I do.

1615
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 2: It's a bit surprised to see j Johnson back on offense,

1616
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 2: but I just I don't know. It just seems like

1617
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 2: it's another year of like, check out all these transfers.

1618
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 1: I know, I know, And you're like I.

1619
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:12,719
Speaker 2: At a certain point, that's bad that you're this active

1620
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 2: in the portal exactly this many years now? How many

1621
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 2: were three years in too, Mel Tucker. I'm okay with

1622
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 2: a portal, you know, filling out the roster with your

1623
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 2: guys year one, year two, or you know, maybe more

1624
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 2: year one after your first season, seeing what you have,

1625
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 2: But now this far in, I don't know. It's there's

1626
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 2: a lot of bad signs.

1627
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, what we're finding out about the transfer portal is

1628
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 1: that you could use it, and to some extent, you

1629
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 1: can even abuse it. You can bring a ton of

1630
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: guys in, but you need to have something of a

1631
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 1: foundation first.

1632
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 2: Yep.

1633
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 1: If you're using the portal solely to try and win

1634
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: games and solely to build a roster year to year

1635
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: to year to year, that is not sustainable. And Michigan State, unfortunately,

1636
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: I think, is kind of an example of that. So

1637
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 1: I don't given where I think mish State is at

1638
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 1: right now, I think the schedule is pretty tough. They're

1639
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 1: at Iowa at Ohio State home against Washington in week three,

1640
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 1: which is not great. Home against Michigan home against Penn State.

1641
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: Who knows what November Nebraska looks like. In week ten.

1642
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: I could see them being plucky, But again, there's a

1643
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: Jeff Simms question that we addressed before.

1644
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 2: I just don't.

1645
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: I don't feel good about Michigan State this season. I'm

1646
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: sort of out.

1647
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 2: What's gonna happen. If they need to buy out mel Tucker,

1648
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 2: matt Ishue, You're gonna have to trade Kevin Durant for

1649
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 2: It's all connected.

1650
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: Ty I don't know how sports business works. I don't know.

1651
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do know that I am

1652
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: fascinated with the Indiana Hoosiers this year. Dan, this is

1653
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: you're going down a road, Tye. Okay, I am not

1654
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 1: going going down. I'm not saying nine Indiana. I'm not

1655
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 1: saying eight or seven or even six Windyana. Okay, I'm

1656
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 1: not doing that, I promise you. But I feel better

1657
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 1: about Indiana than I expected. I really do. I like

1658
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: their quarterback. I like Dexter Williams.

1659
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 2: Everywhere I look in the sport somebody has an Indiana transfer. Well,

1660
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 2: they've got this promising Indiana linebacker. I like promising defensive

1661
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 2: lineman from Indiana. I like Josh Henderson at running back.

1662
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 2: I don't hate their offensive line, which is the nicest

1663
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 2: thing I can.

1664
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: Say about it. I don't hate their d line, which

1665
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: is definitely a different thing for me to say. I

1666
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 1: think Indiana will be better than last year, even if

1667
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 1: they don't win more games. They were four to eight

1668
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 1: a year ago. Okay, that's all I'm saying. They're over

1669
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: unders three and a half. And I sed I said

1670
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 1: in our schedule preview that I could see a path

1671
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: to three, which you laughed.

1672
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,879
Speaker 2: At, which is starting at quarterback.

1673
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's Dexter Williams because he gave them.

1674
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: He gave them some pop last year. This team, it's

1675
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 1: a little bit of a gump factor here with the schedule.

1676
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 1: But it's not easy. Look, they're Indiana and they can

1677
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 1: beat Indiana State. They can beat Akron, they can beat Rutgers.

1678
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 1: But hold on, we need to email home field and

1679
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:10,520
Speaker 1: tell them to print shirts that say, look, they're Indiana.

1680
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 1: I just they got to steal another one away to

1681
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 1: hit that over. Okay, And that's where it gets weird

1682
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 1: because they got neutral cider against the Louisville They're at Maryland,

1683
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: They're at Michigan. They're at Penn State. They're home against Wisconsin.

1684
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 1: They're at Illinois home against Michigan State. Maybe Michigan State

1685
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 1: will be the one. Maybe Michigan State it will be

1686
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 1: the game they steal since it's at home.

1687
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 2: Did they play? Was that the weirdest game of the

1688
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,719
Speaker 2: Big Ten season last year? Indiana Michigan State? It was

1689
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 2: almost positive, That's what I'm thinking of. Yeah, Yeah, I

1690
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 2: was up there, so I don't know. I'm I'm I'm

1691
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 2: more bullish in Indiana than I expected. But even in

1692
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 2: a good circumstance, it's like five wins. Hmm. Okay, can

1693
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 2: you count them off for me? Look at the schedule

1694
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 2: and find I just did?

1695
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: I just did?

1696
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, I thought you were just running through their schedule. Okay, No, no,

1697
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 2: I mean.

1698
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 1: It's Indiana State, Akron and Rutgers or the wins and

1699
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: then they got to steal one of those are the

1700
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 1: teams that I listed. So give me the two that

1701
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 1: I think is Michigan State hit the over where is

1702
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 1: that game? Games at home?

1703
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 2: Okay?

1704
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 1: And who else I'll give back to you. Maybe Purdue,

1705
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 1: maybe Illinois.

1706
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 2: I think Purdue is on the table. Illinois, Yeah, we'll see. Okay,

1707
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 2: that's I win ceiling.

1708
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: That's where I'm out with Indiana. I'm gonna dig my

1709
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: Windiana because I'm really proud of that.

1710
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, four or five games for Northwestern is a miracle.

1711
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 2: It's Ben Bryant plus a promising back half of their defense.

1712
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 2: Even though I don't trust the line, don't trust the

1713
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 2: coordinator who is now the head coach. The North Dakota

1714
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 2: State defensive coordinator is now the head coach. Of the

1715
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 2: Big Ten team. David Bron. David Bron.

1716
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: That's David Bron.

1717
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 2: This is all very new. Uh. The offensive line is

1718
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:53,799
Speaker 2: considerably worse because they might have had the best offensive

1719
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 2: lineman in football last year and Peter Scornski at left tackle,

1720
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:01,719
Speaker 2: Evan Hull is gone. There is little to no Pop

1721
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 2: or even like Diet Pop at receiver. And it's just

1722
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 2: I feel for players that were hopefully not around any

1723
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 2: of the allegations. You go to Northwestern, you believe that,

1724
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 2: you know, you're into a great academic place that has great,

1725
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 2: you know, upside for football. The best of Northwestern is

1726
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 2: very competitive, and now you are just on an island

1727
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:33,640
Speaker 2: and I don't like, how do you summon the motivation

1728
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 2: at this point if you're Northwestern when you have the

1729
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 2: ability to leave, and you know you have the ability

1730
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 2: to leave sooner rather than later because a different head

1731
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 2: coach recruited you. You don't know who the new head coach

1732
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 2: is going to be. And it's just now a situation

1733
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 2: of get through the season and see what's what and

1734
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 2: so yeah, you look at their schedule and I have

1735
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 2: it in front of me, But like Minnesota and Penn

1736
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 2: State back to back, the back half is at Nebraska, Maryland,

1737
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:04,759
Speaker 2: Iowa at Wrigley Field. By the way, so this interim

1738
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:09,639
Speaker 2: Northwestern situation at Wrigley Field at Wisconsin, Purdue at Illinois. Yeah,

1739
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 2: four or five is a miracle for Western.

1740
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: They've got Duke on there, yep, which is another tough game.

1741
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 2: They lost last second last year. Yeah, obviously they didn't

1742
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 2: win a single game on American soil last year. Okay,

1743
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 2: who are their other non conference If you have the schedule, Frin.

1744
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: Got you tip, Yeah, they've got Howard.

1745
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 2: Four or five is a miracle if they can beat you,

1746
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 2: Tip and Howard and you Tip is feisty. It was

1747
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 2: a bowl team a couple of years ago. It has

1748
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 2: the feel of like two and ten.

1749
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 1: It would be really interesting if now and I know

1750
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: they don't have the horses.

1751
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 2: On one and eleven or oh to twelve.

1752
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 1: It's it's entirely possible. What I was gonna say, It'd

1753
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: be really interesting if David Brown goes out there and

1754
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 1: turns in like five or six wins. Sure, I don't

1755
01:28:56,320 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 1: think that's likely, but they could beat Rutgers, be well

1756
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 1: beat Howard.

1757
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 2: Ben Bryant is more of a quarterback argue like Peyton

1758
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 2: Ramsey was something. I know he went to your beloved Indiana,

1759
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,719
Speaker 2: but he was something they mounted, like the eightieth best

1760
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 2: offense or seventy eighth best offense something like that with him.

1761
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 2: But Ben Bryant is something. He is a piece. I

1762
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 2: think it's cam Porter in the backfield. I believe there's

1763
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 2: just the path to Northwestern, you know, flirting with a

1764
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 2: bowl is very narrow, non existent. Yeah, very I hope

1765
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 2: for Northwestern sake that you know, the the athletic department

1766
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 2: and everything that hung around forever and ever that diseased

1767
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 2: things allegedly is cleared out and there's a fresh start.

1768
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 2: But that is probably the worst place for there to

1769
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 2: be a fresh start at, just because of how much

1770
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 2: it takes at Northwestern in the portal era, in the

1771
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 2: nil era.

1772
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 1: Close things out with the Rutgers Dan, Yeah, the most

1773
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:06,839
Speaker 1: fascinating thing is we get this sound again, Kirk. He's back, baby,

1774
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 1: bouncing all over one point four million dollars. He's back. Look,

1775
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to run the crap out of the ball.

1776
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 1: That's that's what they're gonna do. The line is mostly back.

1777
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 1: The running back room is pretty deep. Their passing game

1778
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:24,679
Speaker 1: was an absolute unmitigated mess last season. Yeah, it was bad,

1779
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 1: it was really bad. But presumably Gavin Wimsatt's going to

1780
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 1: be your starting quarterback. Just named the starting quarterback this week,

1781
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 1: by the way, okay, by Greg Ciano at Media Day.

1782
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 1: Four star in the class of twenty twenty one. So

1783
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 1: maybe he'll show out. I don't know. Nassim Brantley's their

1784
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 1: big target. They got from Western Illinois the transfer in,

1785
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 1: but relatively thin out wide. It does seem like the

1786
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: defense is improving, but the offense from even fine. Yeah,

1787
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 1: the defense is okay, and that shouldn't surprise anybody greg

1788
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: Ciano's defensive mind. But the offense, they've they've struggled to

1789
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 1: kind of find their way on offense, right Shawn Gleeson

1790
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 1: didn't work out. Now it's Kirk Shiraka. They're bringing him

1791
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 1: back in. I think we've seen Kirk Sharaka around the

1792
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: Big ten enough to know what we are going to

1793
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 1: get here, and it's going to be slower, more efficient football.

1794
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: They're going to try to run it. That's probably the

1795
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 1: right approach, to be honest, that Rutgers, given where they're

1796
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 1: at right now. The schedule's brutal for Rutgers, though it

1797
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 1: is absolutely brutal, as it always seems to be. It

1798
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:30,719
Speaker 1: always seems to be that this one, this just feels

1799
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 1: worse to me. Now, maybe not as bad as I thought.

1800
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 1: Because they open with Northwestern. They can beat Northwest, given

1801
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 1: where Northwestern's at. Northwestern's in a state of disarray, given circumstances, Northwestern, Temple,

1802
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:49,600
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech their first three games. After that, you know, Michigan, Wagner, Wisconsin,

1803
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 1: Michigan State, Indiana, Ohio State, Iowa, Penn State, Maryland gets tough,

1804
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: gets tough outside the first three weeks of the season.

1805
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:01,879
Speaker 1: So you know, what's what's a realistic expectation for Rutgers

1806
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 1: two three wins here? I think it's I think it's

1807
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 1: plausible if they can get the ground game going, if

1808
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: Gavin Wimsad is going to live up to his four

1809
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 1: star potential when he came in, then maybe, right, maybe

1810
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 1: something a little bit better than that. But I'm not

1811
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: overly bullish. I think it's going to be very very

1812
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:23,600
Speaker 1: slow progress. If anything, for Rutgers.

1813
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 2: It'd be interesting if they had a quarterback with a

1814
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 2: higher ceiling. What I think is a higher ceiling paired

1815
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 2: with that defense I think they become interesting. Maybe not

1816
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 2: in the Big Ten East, of course, it's a it's

1817
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 2: a pretty schedule.

1818
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 1: It's really life.

1819
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 2: Look, they should have beaten Nebraska was who they lost to, yep,

1820
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 2: tight last year, so they probably should have beaten Nebraska.

1821
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 2: And they also beat Indiana, I believe, last year. So

1822
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 2: I think progress is winning three Big Ten games. Whoever

1823
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 2: those are, I mean, that's up to you. But uh,

1824
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 2: they're the team that I don't know if they should

1825
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 2: be a transfer quarterback destination, but I'd be curious to

1826
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,719
Speaker 2: see what they look like. Like I filled your COVID

1827
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 2: played for Rutgers. Now what does that do for them? Right?

1828
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 2: They just have like a serviceable power five guy that

1829
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 2: has like clear potential, but they just haven't had that.

1830
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 2: It's no evagrole, it's you know, it's it's cast offs

1831
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 2: that can't do much within the confines of not great offenses.

1832
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:31,680
Speaker 1: I was convinced that King Arthur Sikowski was going to

1833
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 1: be Arty Sakowski. Yeah, I was convinced he was gonna

1834
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 1: be the guy, and that just didn't happen.

1835
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 2: He was Illinois backup last year. I believe King Arthur.

1836
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 1: Oh, well, that brings us to the end of the show, Dan, Yes,

1837
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 1: I don't believe we missed any teams. Let's talk about

1838
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:53,719
Speaker 1: conference championship. Okay, so the obvious answer is Michigan Ohio State.

1839
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: Are you veering from Michgan Ohio State at all?

1840
01:33:57,560 --> 01:33:59,719
Speaker 2: You mean in the East overall?

1841
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 1: Overall? Who are the two best teams in the conference?

1842
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 1: If not those two, let's start with that. I know

1843
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 1: they still have the divisions, right, we have to talk

1844
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:09,599
Speaker 1: through who we think they're going to face off against.

1845
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:13,599
Speaker 1: But if we're talking through predictions just in the Big

1846
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 1: Ten Eieest, since it seems like that side of the

1847
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: conference is going to rule the roost, are we going

1848
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 1: Michigan Ohio State one two on that side or are

1849
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 1: we going to think maybe Penn State sneaks in there.

1850
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 2: I have Michigan winning the Big Ten.

1851
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: Yet again, who do they beat in the conference championship?

1852
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:38,600
Speaker 2: Then Iowa? M Interesting, Yeah, I'm taking Iowa over Wisconsin

1853
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 2: because Iowa's defense is the best thing in that those

1854
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 2: four main units, Michigan Iowa. Yeah. So it's a repeat

1855
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,720
Speaker 2: of what the twenty twenty one Big Ten championship game,

1856
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 2: which Michigan won forty two to three, Yep, that's my pick.

1857
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Michigan over Wisconsin. I am going to

1858
01:34:59,160 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 1: take Wisconsin.

1859
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 2: My lock is seventy two points per game for Iowa

1860
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 2: against Western Michigan, Utah State, and Rutgers.

1861
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 1: You've got Michigan, I've got Michigan, You've got Iowa. I've

1862
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 1: got Wisconsin. Big ten minutes, let us know soverevergblegmail dot

1863
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,639
Speaker 1: com is the email. I want to send a shout

1864
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 1: out to an email that we got here from Steven

1865
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 1: who asked us kindly that we should not lump Indiana

1866
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 1: in with anyone during our preview to give them the

1867
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: loan spotlight for the three minutes we spent talking about them. Listen, Steven,

1868
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 1: I think I gave Indiana's too. I'm excited to see

1869
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 1: Indiana this year. I mean that genuinely. I think they'll

1870
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 1: be better. In fact, I'm picking them to go in

1871
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:47,719
Speaker 1: the big tech. Now I'm not I'm kidding.

1872
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 2: No, what are you doing?

1873
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:50,599
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not doing that?

1874
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, what is the most likely Indiana upset? Right

1875
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 2: that they were so close against Ohio State with Michael Pennix,

1876
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:01,480
Speaker 2: give me Indiana shock the world beating.

1877
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 1: Indiana would shock the world if they if they knocked off.

1878
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:10,439
Speaker 2: Is there a gumpiness quotion? I know, I've read a

1879
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 2: company a couple of steps. Yeah, where's their gump upset opportunity?

1880
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 2: Their gup set? The gump upset is Penn State because

1881
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 2: Penn State plays who before or after Penn State plays

1882
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 2: Michigan a week after? Okay, so it's a look ahead

1883
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 2: spot for Penn State playing against Indiana where in Bloomington

1884
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 2: or in state collegs in state college. Okay, that's tricky.

1885
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 2: I like it though, Tie, I like it.

1886
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:41,680
Speaker 1: Let us know, sOliver about gmail dot com. What's your

1887
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 1: pick for the Big Ten? Make sure you follow along

1888
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,160
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1889
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 1: course subscribe to the podcast if you have to do so.

1890
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 1: Grand Total is the name of the over under game

1891
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 1: that we're playing this year. The Ballers dot com is

1892
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 1: where you go to sign up for that. Dan, we

1893
01:36:56,240 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 1: were up to thirty one. Fascinating thing about this Big

1894
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 1: Ten season. We've got the sec then we've got Notre

1895
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 1: Dame in the group of five to go keep it

1896
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 1: right here for that guy over there, my good friend

1897
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hilton Brandon we'll talk to

1898
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 1: you all next week. And meantimes, they saw it peace,