WEBVTT - Origins [8] 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.400 The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:07.440 those of the podcast author or individuals participating in the podcast, 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.520 and do not necessarily represent those of iHeartMedia, how Stuff Works, 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:17.160 or its employees. In earlier episodes of Monster, we've mentioned 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:19.840 all the witnesses that might be able to identify the 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.639 Zodiac killer, Michael Majeaux, the young man who survived the 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:27.440 attack at Blue Rock Springs, Brian Hartnell, the survivor of 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:31.880 the knife attack at Lake Barriessa, and SFPD officer Don 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.640 Fouk that encountered the Zodiac fleeing the Paulstein murder scene. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.720 A combination of the physical descriptions from these brief encounters 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:42.960 were used to create the infamous police sketch you've probably 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:46.639 seen floating around the internet. But in nineteen seventy, there 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:50.120 was another possible witness that had the best chance yet 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.920 of identifying the Zodiac Kathleen Johns. 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:59.440 In March of nineteen seventy, a young woman claimed that 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:02.400 she had been driving along a freeway and a vehicle 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.959 pulled up alongside her, and the man inside gestured towards 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:07.720 her vehicle as if there was something wrong. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.360 Was there any any sensation to your vehicle that there 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.440 was something wrong with your vehicle while you're driving. 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:15.960 You know, it was an old Wrangley car. Anything could 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:17.760 have been wrong. The back of lights would have been out, 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:19.040 anything could have been wrong with it. 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:20.640 I wouldn't it was running fire. 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.200 So she pulled over, and according to the story, the 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.199 man pulled over and said, hey, your tires loose. I'll 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:31.040 tighten it for you. 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.960 So he went back and got a tire iron, came back, 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.240 went to the back, settled around, stopped again at the 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:39.280 window and said. 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:40.160 It's okay. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.600 You know her, it should be okay. 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.880 What he did was actually loosen the tire and. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.040 I'll go too far on the year across the street, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:51.160 not even. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:53.080 And the tire fell off. 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.200 That gave him a perfect opportunity to pretend to be 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:01.640 the good Samaritan and offer her a ride. 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.480 A man in a mask robbed, tied, and stabbed them, 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:07.440 leaving them for dead. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.360 Subjects stated, I want to report a murder, no a 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:13.280 double murder. 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:14.520 I did it. 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.880 A man who wore a medieval style executioner's hood, carried 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.200 a knife and gun and intended to use them. 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.960 They haven't arrested me because they can't prove a thing. 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.160 I'm not the damn Zodiac? 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.799 Who is the Zodiac and where is he from? 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:37.520 iHeartRadio, Houstuff Works and Tenderfoot TV. This is Monster the 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:45.200 Zodiac Killer. In this episode of Monster, we're going to 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.040 hit rewind and talk about some things you've likely never 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:52.320 heard before. Until the early nineteen seventies, everyone believed the 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.679 first Zodiac killing was in nineteen sixty eight, the murder 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.520 of Betty Lou Jensen and David Faraday in Benetia. But 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:03.600 after a while, investigators realized that the Zodiac's trail might 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:07.480 go back a few more years. Today, as the Zodiac 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:11.560 case passes the fifty year anniversary without any arrests, without 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.959 any answers, we're taking the opportunity to examine a few 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:19.520 earlier unsolved cases, including the case of Kathleen John's. 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.680 On March twenty second, nineteen seventy, Kathleen Johns and her 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:28.480 infant daughter Jennifer had a terrifying experience on a dark 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:32.480 and desolate highway. After more than two decades of silence, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.960 Kathleen finally spoke of this incident. 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:37.760 I had more sense than to stop on this dark road. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:39.360 You know, I wanted to get where there was one 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.440 night when I could hope they hurt. But when I 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.520 got onto the freeway where I could see a gap 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:45.760 the enemy, I stopped on the sidelok. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.960 Two men interviewed Kathleen at a diner in nineteen ninety eight. 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.680 We've come into possession of a rare copy of this interview. 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.360 Kathleen John's account of that evening is one of the 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.400 many unsolved cases that some believe to be the work 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:01.200 of the Zodiac. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:06.480 Kathleen Johns was pregnant at the time, and she also 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.760 had her infant daughter with her. That's something that the 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.000 person may not have known when he was driving alongside 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:14.960 that car and trying to get her to pull over, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.159 and he may not have realized that until the last moment, 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.760 when he had already offered her a ride and she 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.599 gets out of the car with her stomach and her baby. 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:28.600 It's possible that at that moment the person reconsidered what 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:32.159 they were doing and may have decided, well, I was 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.000 intending to kill this person, but now I know she's 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.560 pregnant and she's got a baby with her, I'm not 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:39.120 sure I really want to go through with it. 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.520 Okay, let me ask you this why did you stop 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:41.840 your car? 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.520 Well, I wanted to see what when they was wrong, 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.080 but you know, I wanted to get word of it 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.640 was more night in lahaw I could see a gas station. 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.440 We don't know for sure what happened, but we do 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.680 know that Kathleen John's got in the car with that 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:59.680 individual and that he appeared to be driving aimlessly away 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:04.240 from gas station. He promised to take her to and 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.360 at a certain point she became suspicious. 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.680 Now you know he said to you that he was 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.560 going to kill you? Did he utter that or infer 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:13.520 that again? 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.800 Many times? In this monotone, no feeling, no looking at me, 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:18.480 driving on. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.760 In her earlier statements, it indicated that he did not 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.440 threaten her, but later on she claimed that he said 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.440 that he was going to kill her and throw the 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:28.440 baby out the window. 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.880 Did he change the wording or was it always you 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:33.760 know you're gonna die. You know I'm going to kill 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.200 you and throw that baby out? 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.960 How many times did he ask you to throw Jennifer off? 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.000 Quite a few? I mean you don't have a dozen. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.600 We were out there, seemed to go for a long time. 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:49.240 Kathleen became very concerned. She asked him at a certain point, 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.440 do you always go around helping people like this? And 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.599 she said that he replied by saying, when I'm through 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.320 with him, they don't need help, or something to that effect. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.479 This scared her enough that after I guess about two hours, 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.440 she decided that the next time he slowed down that 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.359 she was going to jump out. So she seized the 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.600 first opportunity that came along. She grabbed your child, jumped out, 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:13.719 ran away. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.320 When I bailed, he got out to you like car 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.760 like Kemon hadn't that vineyards everywhere, because he was yelling. 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:22.240 Come back here. 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.800 According to various reports, he either screamed at her from 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.520 the car or got out of the car and tried 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.360 to find her, But then another vehicle pulled up and 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:36.680 he apparently got spooked and drove away. She got into 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:40.040 the car with that individual, and that person took her 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.960 to the nearby police department, where she was describing what happened. 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.480 And while she was in the course of giving her 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:50.160 story to police, she saw a composite sketch of the 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:54.359 Zodiac killer and said, that's the guy who did this. 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.440 Shortly after that, which I believe four months later, another 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:00.760 Zodiac let her arrived. 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:06.560 This is the Zodiac speaking. I am rather unhappy because 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.240 you people will not wear some Zodiac buttons. So I 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.080 now have a little list, starting with a woman and 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.520 her baby that I gave a rather interesting ride for 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.120 a couple hours one evening a few months back that 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.320 ended in my burning her car where I found them 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.440 signed Zodiac. 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.280 Kathleen John's station wagon was burned. We don't know whether 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.440 or not the killer did that. We don't know whether 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.680 or not the person who abducted her was actually the Zodiac. 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.080 And maybe the Zodiac was just taking credit for it 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:40.520 because that's what the media was saying. It's possible that 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:44.000 the Zodiac liked to create confusion and thought he would 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.880 benefit from that. So if he did abduct Kathleen John's 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.360 and he took the credit for it, then he was 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:56.160 just acknowledging his involvement as already reported by the media. 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:59.680 If he wasn't involved and he decided to take credit 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.760 for it because people were already accusing him of that, 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:06.040 that tells you something about him too, that he thought, well, 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.360 this just adds to my image. It makes me look 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.240 all the more scary. And at the same time, if 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:15.080 it wasn't him, what happens. When Kathleen Johns identifies the 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:18.640 person or describes that person, it's not him, right, So 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:23.720 that just creates more confusion. If the Zodiac was not 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.960 responsible for that crime, he certainly enjoyed exploiting it because 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:32.160 it added and it patted his resume. So in the end, 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:36.960 Kathleen Johns is listed as a suspected Zodiac victim. But 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.120 since she's also passed away and there was no solid evidence, 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.480 I don't think we'll ever be able to answer that question. 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.280 Her interview was recorded in nineteen ninety eight, nearly twenty 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:56.520 eight years after her encounter. By this time, Kathleen's name 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:57.920 had changed to Smith. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.680 On January one, nineteen ninety eight, meeting with Kathy Smith, 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:06.720 Howard Davis is also here present. 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.880 I hope, Kathy, that this comes out with all. 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:11.719 Of the background noise and everything. 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:12.480 But I'm going to ask. 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.000 You to kind of speak up a little bit, if 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:14.440 you would. 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:22.200 Even after so much time had passed, Kathleen still remembered 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:23.400 the incident vividly. 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.760 Did you have any sense at all that views behind you? 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:28.480 There was the car behind me and. 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:33.720 Kept watching his light. I had always hoped to be 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.680 able to talk to Kathleen and we were fortune to 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:38.200 talk from before she passed away. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.640 This is Howard Davis, one of the men who interviewed Kathleen. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:48.319 He had secured an interview with Kathleen at a local Dennis. 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:53.160 When we interviewed Kathleen for a while and then John, 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.640 a reporter went out for battery. We really just got 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.840 the basics from her. We just went through the interview. 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.880 He really didn't get much, but we did get some 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:07.120 information that no one had heard about before. I don't 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.480 think there were any other interviews after that. 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:15.040 Howard Davis wholeheartedly believes that Kathleen encountered the Zodiac that day. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:21.199 Kathleen's description of her abductor closely resembled other eyewitness descriptions 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:22.120 of the Zodiac. 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.679 He was wearing the bell bottom pants, the naval appearance, 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:31.480 military dress shoes, military dress shoes. Footprints were found at 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.200 the base scene where her car was That a part 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:38.400 she was a Zodiac victim. She's the only one to 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:43.200 escape the Zodiac, not only with her life but unharmed, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.200 even right next to the Zodiac. 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.720 The Kathleen John's abduction does not fit the Zodiac's previously 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.319 established pattern, but also at the same time, he also 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.760 deviated from his pattern, going from couples to a cab driver. 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.120 Then he said that he was no longer going to 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.000 announce his murders and they were going to look like 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:21.400 fake accidents and routine robberies and killings of anger. So 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.640 maybe he had some plan for what he wanted to do, 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.280 but it did involve a drastic change in his mo 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:31.400 Maybe he was going to murder her and make it 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:33.679 look like an accident. Maybe he was going to come 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.319 back and wreck her car or do something. I don't know, 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.560 but there's some people who believe that if he was 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.040 responsible for that crime, that he burned the car to 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.439 cover up evidence, because he may have touched the car 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.680 when he was loosening the lugnuts on the wheel. There's 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:54.360 also the possibility that he had intended to kill John's 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.080 and then decided not to go through with it because 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.160 she was pregnant and had a kid, and then was 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.080 frustrated and needed to do something, so he drove back 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.880 to where the car was and set fire to it. 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.920 It also possibly had nothing to do with it, and 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.880 Kathleen Johns was wrong in her identification. But then you 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.120 come to the fact that During that same period of time, 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.600 there was also speculation that the Zodiac may have been 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.840 involved in another murder in nineteen sixty six at Riverside 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:26.480 City College. After the Zodiac murders were being reported in 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:30.120 the media, investigators in Riverside were watching and saying, this 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:34.000 looks kind of familiar and maybe these crimes are connected. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:40.160 So they contacted the Zodiac investigators and reported their suspicions, 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.680 and after investigators looked at this, they thought it was 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.920 very possible that the Zodiac had committed the crime in Riverside. 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.400 You had a young woman who was apparently visiting the 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:57.200 college library, and while she was inside, someone disabled her car, 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.960 and when she came out and her car was start 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.720 this person allegedly offered her a ride, and then when 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.880 she went with him, he took her off into a 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:11.960 darkened area and stabbed her to death. So if the 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:15.920 Zodiac was responsible for the murdered Riverside, then that does 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.920 provide some indication that he may have been responsible for 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:23.600 the Johns event, because there's a similarity of selecting a 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:27.920 single woman, disabling her car and such. Then later on 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.920 San Francisco Chronicle reporter Paul Avery learned of this possible 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.040 connection and reported it in the media in what was 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:37.559 called the Riverside Connection. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.560 Was the Riverside killing of Sherry Joe Bates somehow connected 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:47.320 to the midnight abduction of Kathleen John's and were both 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.680 of these crimes three and a half years apart committed 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.800 by the Zodiac. We learned there was a possibility of 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.720 finding some unprocessed film footage of Paul Avery just after 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.440 he made the Riverside connection. There was only one place 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:03.319 to go in search of a rare piece of film 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:07.120 like that, the Bay Area Television Archive in San Francisco. 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.839 My name is Alex Cherrian. I'm the film archivist at 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:19.680 San Francisco State University's John Paul Nnard Library. The Bay 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:23.080 Area Television Archive is in our Department of Special Collections. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:27.680 This is where we preserve and remaster local news film, 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:32.520 documentary broadcast video tape from the nineteen fifties through to 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.760 about two thousand. Before we work on it, it's just 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.360 old film and tape. By the time we finished with it. 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.160 What you're looking at is a screener which is viewable 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:47.120 online for free. I enjoy local, specific regional history a lot. 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.840 I like being able to relate to it, to look 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.880 at a building and know what happened there fifty years ago. 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:55.960 I also like being on the cutting edge of finding 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.200 stuff and making it available. If someone comes up with 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.440 some kind of kookie idea which is patently ridiculous, I 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.920 don't care. It needs to be explored in order to 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.400 rule it out. And making all of our stuff available online, 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.840 I enjoyed doing that. I get an excitement from doing it. 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.320 It could be the Zodiac, it could be a chess tournament, 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:18.120 it could be something to do with Jerry Brown, who 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.760 features in our collections way back to the early seventies. 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.320 I don't mind. You either enjoy that or you don't, 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:33.320 and I love it. So this is the raw news film. 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.280 This is how it was put into cans before it 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:39.320 came to us in the early nineteen eighties. So what 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.920 you're looking at there is a reel of sixteen milimeter 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:48.480 film from the early nineteen seventies. It doesn't even have 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:50.680 a plastic core on it, which means you can't even 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.480 project it. This is just coming raw from the lab. 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.680 I guarantee you no one's touched that for over forty years. 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.440 It may have been covered in a similar fashion by 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.040 a different tea v station. But the sound of the 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:05.800 reporter or the eyewitness or the detective talking about a 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.800 zodiac in nineteen seventy two, no one's ever heard that, 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.960 and it will be decent quality because no one's been 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:12.840 messing around with it. 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.320 What things in this evidence you've got from the Riverside 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.920 police actually lead you to believe that there could be 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:25.960 or is some connection. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:31.640 Oh there's police lineage, the motors OPERANDU of the killer, 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.720 the Cherry bas space and river Side and zodioacil. Are 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:44.280 there many eagle media wanting to get recognition for the 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:48.560 killer writing to a new State the fact that in 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:53.280 no cases, including the Sharrybase, has there ever been sexual molestation. 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.680 Usually in a killing of a coat, it's usually a 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:02.320 sex herely just for the shares Ler phone, I received 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:07.440 the letter individual in southern California pointing outre similarity was 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:12.639 actually it was an anonymous letter, and I felt that 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.960 there might be something for it, so I contacted the 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:19.520 Riverside Police. Were very cooperative to computer and gave me 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.200 information on the phone and then sent me some information 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:28.360 zerox copies of thirsty documents. This is the first one 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.080 of the first two letters that was received by the 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:35.720 newspaper in Riverside and by the police department. The inside 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.840 was a typewritten confession, and this is known to be 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.560 from the murder sary base because of details in the 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.800 unsigned profession. This was received exactly one month of the 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:47.479 day after she was killed. 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.440 You're about to hear the letter that Paul Avery just described. 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:56.320 This letter contains graphic details. Listener discretion is advised. 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.800 Miss Bates was stupid. She went to the slaughter like 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.159 a lamb. She did not put up a struggle, but 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.840 I did. It was a ball. I first pulled the 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.800 middle wire from the distributor. Then I waited for in 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:15.560 the library and followed her out. After two minutes, the 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.560 battery must have been about dead by then. I then 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.800 offered to help. She was then very willing to talk 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.040 to me. I told her that my car was down 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:26.879 the street and I would give her a lift home. 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.040 When we were away from the library walking, I said 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.560 it was about time. She asked me about time. For 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.360 what I said, it was about time for her to die. 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.320 I grabbed her around the neck with my hand over 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.639 her mouth and my other hand with a small knife 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:47.120 at her throat. She went very willingly. Her breast felt 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.640 very warm and firm under my hands, but only one 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.480 thing was on my mind, making her pay for the 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.720 brush offs that she had given me during the years prior. 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.600 She died hard. She squirmed and shook as I choked her, 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.480 and her lips twitched. She let out a scream once, 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.080 and I kicked her head to shut her up. I 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.680 plunged the knife into her and it broke. I didn't 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.399 finish the job by cutting her throat. I'm not sick, 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.320 I am insane, but that will not stop the game. 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.520 This letter should be published for all to read it. 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.600 It just might save that girl in the alley, but 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.680 that's up to you. It will be on your conscious, 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:34.800 not mine. Yes, I did make that call to you also, 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:39.240 it was just a warning, beware, I am stalking your 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.320 girls now. 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.480 Now, some of that information appears to have been available 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.280 in the public media at the time, but it's still 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.000 possible that it was the actual killer who wrote it, 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.360 or someone who was trying to misdirect the investigation. I'm 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:01.520 sure that if things did go down the way that 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.600 it's described in that letter, she thought that man was 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.840 going to help her, and just like a lake Barry Essa, 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.600 that person took advantage of her and forced her to 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.280 participate in her own murder, and in the letter, he 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:15.800 said she went to the slaughter like a lamb. 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:20.119 So the police potentially had a Zodiac letter as early 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:24.639 as nineteen sixty six, just one month after the Bates murder. 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.679 At the time, police thought the note was written by 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:30.920 the actual killer because the information included in the letter 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:35.120 was highly detailed, specifically the manner in which the attacker 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.960 disabled the victim's car. I can't help but wonder why 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.159 didn't the Sherry Joe Bates case get more attention prior 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.680 to the nineteen sixty eight killings, but there was even 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:49.920 more madness to come. Presumably the same person also sent 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:54.560 another series of letters, this time to police, the newspaper, 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.120 and even to the father of Sherry Joe Bates. Paul 0:20:58.160 --> 0:20:59.679 Avery explains. 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:06.240 Six months later, after her murder, the Riverside Place, the 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:09.040 local newspaper, the Press, enter Prize, and the girl's father 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.520 each received a letter. And this is where Ibole he writing, 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:18.160 you're very very similar to zodiacs. You are other things 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:23.439 that make me think that it's quite possibly human. And 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:31.320 inside of these onlined pre whole notebook paper. It said 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.760 Bates had to die, there will be more, and right 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:37.560 at the bottom, this is a Z. 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.000 The stylized Z at the bottom of the nineteen sixty 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:46.159 six letter is undeniable, but it's also unlike the Zodiac's 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:49.159 other signed letters, the ones that he ended with his 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:53.560 circle cross signature. But even nineteen sixty six may not 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.760 be the start of the Zodiac's reign of terror. His 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:00.600 work may go back even further. Investigators on the Sherry 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:04.320 Joe Bates case connected her murder to another fatal incident 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.280 in the area. This time it was a young couple 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:11.000 on the beach three years earlier in nineteen sixty three. 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:16.399 On a tip, we reached out to k EYTTV in Sacramento, California, 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:20.040 regarding a feature from twenty ten that revealed the only 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:23.560 known footage of the crime scene. It's a seventeen second 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:25.960 look at an old shack on the beach where the 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:30.200 bodies of two murdered teenagers were dragged and then burned. 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:34.040 If Sherry Joe Bates was not the first, who was. 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.399 The answer may be buried in these forty three year 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.640 old files in the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's. 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:41.320 Cold Case Unit. 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:46.399 On June fourth, nineteen sixty three, Lompo teenagers Lynda Edwards 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:50.119 and Robert Domingo's celebrated senior Ditch Day by going to 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:53.399 a secluded beach shack twenty five miles west of Santa Barbara. 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:57.320 They planned to graduate in two days then get married, 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:01.560 but the next night a CHPI officer discovered their bodies 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:06.320 inside the shack. Robert had been shot eleven times, Linda 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.320 eight times. This is the remote beach where Edwards and 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:10.720 Domingos were gone down. 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.600 As you can see, the old beach shack is long gone, 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:17.000 just like the killer and any evidence that might identify it. 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:21.000 This old newsreel, just discovered in the. 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:24.639 KYT archives, is the only known film footage of the 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:28.160 crime scene. It shows the area around the beach shack 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:31.439 where the killers shot the teens, and inside where he 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:33.800 dragged their bodies and tried to burn it down to 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:37.159