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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington Broadcast Center.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>And now, here's Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Milwaukee Bulls with one of the all-time World

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<v Speaker 1>Series beatdowns. 10-1. They out-hit Tampa Bay 16-3.

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<v Speaker 2>The roar of the crowd. And they win away.

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<v Speaker 3>From the first World Series title in franchise history.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta love a home game. Except it wasn't. They

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<v Speaker 2>were at Tampa Bay, and it was striking watching the game.

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<v Speaker 2>How numerous and loud the Brewers fans were. They took

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<v Speaker 2>over the damn stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish they were playing the Yankees or somebody that

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<v Speaker 1>got more attention or whatever, because the Brewers are an

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievable baseball team.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's going to be kind of lost to history

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<v Speaker 1>unless you're a big baseball fan, because it's not... you know,

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<v Speaker 1>against a premier team are getting a lot of attention.

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<v Speaker 1>They are really, really good. I was just reading the

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<v Speaker 1>thing about how they play baseball, you know, the way

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<v Speaker 1>people enjoy it. Lots of hits, try to make contact,

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<v Speaker 1>get on base, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>all the stuff that's exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's funny because the world somehow got convinced that strikeout, strikeout, strikeout,

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<v Speaker 2>home run, strikeout, strikeout, strikeout, strikeout, strikeout, home run was

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<v Speaker 2>what people wanted. not constant action on the bases and

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<v Speaker 2>bases being stolen and guys trying to advance and all. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>it's super fun to watch. But I thought this was interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Tampa Bay, which scrapes the bottom in attendance every year,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like perennial bottom five for some reason.

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<v Speaker 2>They're building a new stadium. Maybe that'll help because it's

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<v Speaker 2>a beautiful place, St. Pete, to go see a baseball game.

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<v Speaker 2>But the least expensive ticket... Like a standing room only

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<v Speaker 2>on the secondary market for the first two games in

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<v Speaker 2>Milwaukee was about $ 2, 500 just to get in the stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>The least expensive ticket at the trop, as they say, $ 500.

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<v Speaker 1>One-fifth of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So Milwaukee fans are like, hell yes, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>fly down. I'm going to stay a couple of nights

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<v Speaker 2>in a hotel. I'm going to buy tickets, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to cost me less than the damn home games.

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<v Speaker 2>So they flooded down there. That's a road game.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when you've been a long-suffering sports fan in any

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<v Speaker 1>town and your team finally catches fire and gets their day,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I knew there was one more thing I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to say. The stadium where Milwaukee plays at home sold

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<v Speaker 2>out for people to watch the game on a screen.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, now that's an enthusiastic fan base. You gotta love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's what I'll do when I'm old. Retired. When

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<v Speaker 1>teams catch fire, I will just go be a fan

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<v Speaker 1>there for a while. I'll buy the gear, man. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>spend the money because the enthusiasm in a town, especially

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't won in a long time, it's so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so fun. Everybody's friendly. Everybody's wearing the gear. It's just,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just the positive feelings are good. It reminds

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<v Speaker 2>me of what it's like to be a human being again,

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<v Speaker 2>where people would gather and be together and be part

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<v Speaker 2>of a community, whatever community, even if it's a somewhat

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<v Speaker 2>artificial one rooting for a bunch of Venezuelans to play baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, that was great. So speaking of popular culture,

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<v Speaker 2>I also fulfilled my vow and went to see the

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<v Speaker 2>hit documentary, You Can See Everything, yesterday, the Elizabeth Holmes thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got to slow down right here because— I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how many texts we got the other day

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<v Speaker 1>when I was raving about this movie because I saw

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<v Speaker 1>it Saturday night. People say, you never mentioned the name

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<v Speaker 1>of the movie, but you keep talking. The name of

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<v Speaker 1>the movie is You Can See Everything. That's not just

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<v Speaker 1>a phrase we're throwing into the review.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. It's not just a comment about the bloke in

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<v Speaker 2>the shower.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not. Yeah, it's not. It's the name of the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the movie. You Can See Everything.

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<v Speaker 2>And no spoilers, by the way. Absolutely no spoilers here.

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<v Speaker 2>I've thought this through.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I find it tough to do because practically everything

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<v Speaker 1>was a spoiler to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to drive by, give you the drive-by assessment.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a fascinating bit of filmmaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Riveting. Yeah, for its length.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, it's speaking of that. Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry. I was about to say, maybe you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>contradict that and not agree. I was going to say

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<v Speaker 1>for a movie that long, I was surprised that it

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<v Speaker 1>kept my attention the whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>Manage your bladder folks. That was going to be like

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<v Speaker 2>having a window seat on a long flight.

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<v Speaker 1>That was my situation. I wanted to go get popcorn

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, you know, I'll pick a point where

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, and I thought, God, there's no moment I

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<v Speaker 1>want to miss here because there's too much information coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>God knows what's going to pop up in the next

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<v Speaker 1>60 seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to miss this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought it was, it was fascinating. It is long. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>so again, manage your bladder, uh, appropriately. Um, super interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And after it's been out for a while, maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have a discussion about it and take some emails and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wouldn't want to ruin it for people.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I wouldn't either. Cause a lot of the enjoyment

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<v Speaker 1>is just, it's not a goal. What I was expecting anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Humans, man, what are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 1>But as I tweeted out the other day, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>many different topics because when I explain it to some

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<v Speaker 1>people who are not into, it's like, Corporate fraud's not

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<v Speaker 1>my genre for movies to go to. No, it's every bit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Shakespearean. That's why I said it's Shakespearean. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>of human life. Relationships, honesty, greed, sex, everything that exists

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<v Speaker 1>in human life is in that show.

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<v Speaker 2>What was that award-winning documentary that came out.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, gosh, it was probably 15, 20 years ago now,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was something crazy, extra fast, or what was

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<v Speaker 2>the title?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was four different documentaries about four different people who

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<v Speaker 2>have different passions. And it finally dawned on me, because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a bit slow-witted after watching that, that every documentary

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<v Speaker 2>is about humans and people. exploring their fascination through their eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't need to be a clock repair enthusiast. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not about clock repair. It's about passion. And it finally

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<v Speaker 2>dawned on me, and so I've become a much bigger

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<v Speaker 2>fan of documentaries now because I used to, like a half-wit, think, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no interest in banana gathering. Is that what

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<v Speaker 2>it's about?

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<v Speaker 1>Him and his wife and his kids and his aspirations

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<v Speaker 1>and blah, blah, blah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Katie, you have a confused look on your face. Oh, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not a confused look. Are you talking bigger, stronger, faster? Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I really enjoy that. It's been ages. I ought

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<v Speaker 2>to watch it again.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>The blind moles. I'd forgotten about that. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>My brother's going today. I've tried. I've convinced so many

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<v Speaker 1>people to go before the spoilers hit them. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was getting texts from numerous people yesterday who went to

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<v Speaker 1>the movie. It was like, oh, my God, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>believe that. Responses to various parts of the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. There were more laughs than I expected.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes! It's a comedy!

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in a way. So, speaking of popular culture, as

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<v Speaker 2>we bop from topic to topic, this is so interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm reading Peter Boghossian's screed of late. You've probably seen

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<v Speaker 2>this French woman on social media. Blonde-haired gal, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a pointy nose, I don't know. She's standing in front

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<v Speaker 2>of an Orange Road sign and a couple other signs.

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<v Speaker 2>And she is begging rioters, I'll say in English, why

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing this? What's the point of doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>This is not the cause. That's not what this is about.

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<v Speaker 2>And then referring to a lone employee inside a shop

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<v Speaker 2>that they're attempting to break into and loot.

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<v Speaker 1>He's all alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop. Stop doing that. And then the looters respond, it's

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<v Speaker 2>snack time, which refers to the traditional French after-school snack.

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<v Speaker 2>Take the wine, all of it. I've got my groceries.

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<v Speaker 2>There's shampoo. Do you want some ice cream? And someone

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<v Speaker 2>pulls her back, an off-camera voice yells, you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get hurt, telling her to stop, just get.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of their way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, that's an interesting exchange and powerful exchange. Um,

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<v Speaker 2>and the shop owner told the daily mail, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know her name. She just comes here now and then,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's all we know. But in the way social

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<v Speaker 2>media does, and this happens to be on the right,

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<v Speaker 2>multiple narratives and versions of this have cropped up with

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<v Speaker 2>Photoshopping or AI touch-ups or whatever. Um, Visigrad, 24, which

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<v Speaker 2>I follow on Twitter, called her a left-wing protester, and

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<v Speaker 2>the looters, second- and third-generation migrants, also said they told

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<v Speaker 2>her to shut up because they had urgent shopping. Neither

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<v Speaker 2>exchange is in the clip, and other claims are unverified.

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<v Speaker 2>Clay Travis said it's her store and that France has

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<v Speaker 2>a left-wing government. Both are false. They do have a

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<v Speaker 2>left-wing government, though, compared to... So Bogosian, for France, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a left-wing government. I think for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the world, it's left-wing government. But let's not get hung up.

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<v Speaker 2>This other Twitter identity, I guess, said she voted to

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<v Speaker 2>let them in. Nothing really supports this. Although she hints

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<v Speaker 2>at it with her, this is not the cause. But

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<v Speaker 2>she voted what? She voted to let them in, another says.

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<v Speaker 2>This other account called her an activist and boutique owner...

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<v Speaker 2>who is spat on and trampled. Nothing supports any of that.

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<v Speaker 2>And it goes on. I've got a list 15 deep.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody should be forced to learn about the French revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like most revolutions, like almost all of the

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<v Speaker 1>Arab spring, for instance, but, More people need to learn

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<v Speaker 1>about revolutions. Maybe the problem we have in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States is we have the almost only example of a

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<v Speaker 1>revolution ending up the way it ended up without lots

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<v Speaker 1>and lots of good people being killed in the street

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<v Speaker 1>by crazy people. We're like the only example. So in

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<v Speaker 1>our heads, I think, and for a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>world who hears about the American Revolution, that's who you

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<v Speaker 1>think revolutions are. That ain't the way it usually works.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right. I've heard the argument made, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>real time. So the idea, as Jack pointed out, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're 100% right, and people need to understand, that's like

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<v Speaker 2>a miracle what happened in our revolution. But it happened because...

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<v Speaker 2>You had a system based on English common law, the

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<v Speaker 2>Magna Carta, the Judeo-Christian principles of representative government, of no

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<v Speaker 2>taxation without representation. We all agreed on that with Britain. Then, again,

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<v Speaker 2>read Tim Sandefur's unbelievably great book, Proclaiming Liberty. Oh, my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so good. You will learn so much. But what

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<v Speaker 2>happened was Britain in Parliament at the time went away

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<v Speaker 2>with all that, went away from all that. They perverted it,

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<v Speaker 2>they twisted it, they stopped it. And so the founding

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<v Speaker 2>fathers said, we want to return to all of these

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<v Speaker 2>precepts we've all assumed would keep going. And so we

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<v Speaker 2>booted the British out and reinstalled those precepts with some tweaks,

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<v Speaker 2>some definite tweaks. But the assumptions about government and mankind

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<v Speaker 2>and the rest of it, we substituted a better system

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<v Speaker 2>for what should have been a pretty decent system. Unlike

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<v Speaker 2>virtually every other revolution on earth where you chuck everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Or one faction decides, here's our chance. Like one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most powerful states would have decided, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, F your constitutional Congress. Now it's the,

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<v Speaker 1>the Virginia is the name of the whole thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've got an army in the street, making sure you

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<v Speaker 1>do things the way we want to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Cause whoever is the most vicious wins and the best

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<v Speaker 2>armed wins. That's 98% of revolutions.

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<v Speaker 1>How do the people in the streets in France not

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<v Speaker 1>know about the French Revolution and how you always end

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<v Speaker 1>up turning on each other? You might have the most

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<v Speaker 1>idealistic causes that everyone would agree with in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>but the bad guys don't necessarily agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Because their schools stink like blue cheese. That's what these

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<v Speaker 2>protests started about.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have any thoughts on that, text line 415-295-KFTC.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things that Gadi Azengar just said is

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<v Speaker 3>within 18 months of him taking.

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<v Speaker 2>Office, Hamas will no longer exist. To the applause of

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<v Speaker 2>the crowd here.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the past few days, tens of thousands of Israelis

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<v Speaker 1>have flown in from overseas, many to vote against Netanyahu.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an interesting thing because I got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Israelis don't live in the country. And so tens of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands flying back to Israel just so they can vote.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just looking up at the TV. Voting is

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<v Speaker 1>going on right now. It's their first national election since

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<v Speaker 1>October 7th, 2023. Highest turnout in 50 years.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>That they got going on right now. And this guy

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<v Speaker 1>that is leading in the polls, though, nobody has a

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<v Speaker 1>big enough lead that they're going to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>form a government easily because they get the whole parliamentary

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<v Speaker 1>system that I barely understand. But they say it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to take weeks or months to figure out how this

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<v Speaker 1>has all come together. But this Gaddy Eskin, Eisencott. As

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<v Speaker 1>you just heard there, he vowed Hamas won't exist at

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<v Speaker 1>all within 18 months of me taking over. So I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like the crowd that is anti-Bibi, who thinks that the,

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<v Speaker 1>using my finger quotes, genocide in Gaza is going to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, will be over. Thank God if you boot

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<v Speaker 1>out Netanyahu. No, this guy is hardcore. We're cleaning out Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas is over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see how that turns out. You wanted a two-state solution? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he's anti-two-state solution.

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<v Speaker 2>It went away on October 3rd, 23 for good.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's completely against that idea. Yeah, so is Hamas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good point.

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<v Speaker 1>So is Hezbollah.

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<v Speaker 2>So is the PLO. So is the PLA.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who doesn't want a two-state solution? Freaking Hamas.

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<v Speaker 1>That should be mentioned every time the conversation comes up.

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<v Speaker 1>The official government, or at least until, you know, October 7th,

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<v Speaker 1>of Gaza, Hamas, doesn't believe in a two-state solution. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't believe a Jew should be alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>That is something. Highs turned out in 50 years, so

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<v Speaker 1>you'd have to go back to 76. That's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're still fighting wars against the surrounding countries back then, so. Mm-hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, speaking of foreign elections, were you going to dive

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<v Speaker 2>into anything? The big Brazil election is getting a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of attention, too. Brazil's a gigantic country, an important one

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<v Speaker 2>in our hemisphere. But so the socialist, what do they

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<v Speaker 2>call him? What's his nickname? Lola? She was a showgirl, whatever. Lula.

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<v Speaker 2>He won, surprising a lot of folks, over a much

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<v Speaker 2>more conservative candidate. But one thing that annoys the crap

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<v Speaker 2>out of me about the coverage of this. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard it 27 times in the lame stream media,

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<v Speaker 2>is that the conservative candidate, Bolsonaro, was suing because of

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<v Speaker 2>a last second judicial order to extend the voting period.

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<v Speaker 2>But every American news network says they're suing over the

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<v Speaker 2>extension to the voting period that both candidates had asked for. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>That is such willful, biased reporting. The conservative guy said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this region has been devastated by flooding. People are having

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<v Speaker 2>trouble getting to the polls. We need to extend it

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<v Speaker 2>in this region. Well, the judge said, yeah, yeah, not

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<v Speaker 2>only that, but let's send more buses into the super

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<v Speaker 2>poor quadrants of the urban places because the government buses

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<v Speaker 2>poor people to the polls to vote. So let's extend

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<v Speaker 2>that too. And Bolsonaro saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, that came

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<v Speaker 2>out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no.

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<v Speaker 2>Reason for that. That was just an effort to beef

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<v Speaker 2>up the Lula vote. So, if you have a lead,

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<v Speaker 2>sit on the ballot box.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the coverage of elections in Mississippi is bad if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't live there. So I don't expect it to

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<v Speaker 1>be good in other countries.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 1>We have an exciting update and a big story we

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<v Speaker 1>loved back in the day. Remember this?

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<v Speaker 4>We just wrapped up a one-on-one interview with Stephen Klubeck.

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<v Speaker 4>At one point, he was running for governor of California,

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<v Speaker 4>but he dropped out to endorse Eric Swalwell, a decision

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<v Speaker 4>he clearly regrets.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you suspect this at all?

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<v Speaker 2>No!

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<v Speaker 1>I was blown away. A political explosion.

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<v Speaker 2>Like blown away.

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<v Speaker 4>Billionaire Stephen Klubeck, once a major donor and supporter of

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<v Speaker 4>Eric Swalwell, now publicly turning on him with rage.

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<v Speaker 3>Bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Amid sexual assault allegations.

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<v Speaker 2>I am no longer a Democrat. I'm now a libertarian Republican.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's what a blue dog Democrat used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>So it seems that this morning the FBI raided that

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<v Speaker 1>dude's mansion? Looking for more information on Eric Swalwell, former

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<v Speaker 1>congressman and wannabe president, who did something he shouldn't do.

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<v Speaker 1>It was illegal with sex workers, apparently.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah. One former staffer, a handful of staffers have

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<v Speaker 2>accused him of sexual impropriety, including rape when she was

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<v Speaker 2>too intoxicated to consent. Another woman has accused him of

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<v Speaker 2>drugging and sexually assaulting her in 2018. Others have alleged

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<v Speaker 2>he sent them unsolicited Richard pics.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to see my genitalia?

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<v Speaker 2>Here it is.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the women accused him of something. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>one of the ones that he's on the bed with

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<v Speaker 1>from that video that we watched a million times?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't recall.

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<v Speaker 1>We're rolling around in the bed.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Could be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 2>that says Steven Klubeck, the gate greats, not gay. He's

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<v Speaker 2>straight because, you know, the other aspect of his act

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<v Speaker 2>that I think is just amazing. is he's come out

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<v Speaker 2>and said, you know, he can't back Swalwell, he supports

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<v Speaker 2>women's rights, blah, blah, blah. Get the f * * *

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<v Speaker 2>out of here. That's right. He about fell for, in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>he did fall for, the cops saved him from it,

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<v Speaker 2>this porn star girl who convinced this fat old billionaire

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<v Speaker 2>that she was hot for him and was going to

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<v Speaker 2>marry him and make all of his wildest dreams come true,

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<v Speaker 2>even though she's a serial guy bilker. Oh, what a fool.

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<v Speaker 2>My Lord. You don't bust the trust.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's what happened. Swalwell busted the trust. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>living with the gazillionaire. He's living at the gazillionaire's house.

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<v Speaker 1>And this guy apparently thought Swalwell might be president someday.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to be, you know, in like Flynn.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be tied to this dude and all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of cool things will come my way. Well, that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't work out because Swalwell busted the trust. And so

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<v Speaker 1>you don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my understanding. You don't exist in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the FBI raids the Beverly Hills mansion today.

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<v Speaker 1>MSN reporting the raid is linked to a sex worker.

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<v Speaker 1>A senior law enforcement official told the Post. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>a number of other charges, as Joe mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>How did this guy make his money, Stephen Klubeck? How

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<v Speaker 1>did he become rich? Because he's kind of a kooky dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, gosh, I can't remember. Some software, another, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Um, the way his voice cracks at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>that one clip, I really liked.

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<v Speaker 2>I was blown away.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know this was going on?

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<v Speaker 2>I was blown away.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm no longer associated with a man that takes advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of women. I support women's rights. He said when asked

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<v Speaker 1>about the raid this morning. Which, good for him. Good

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<v Speaker 1>for him that he realizes the dude's a scumbag and

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<v Speaker 1>boots him out of his home and then starts, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>saying wacky things to the press.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see. Klubeck was charged with three felony counts of

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<v Speaker 2>attempting to dissuade or prevent a witness or victim from testifying.

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<v Speaker 2>one misdemeanor count of making annoying phone calls. All charges

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<v Speaker 2>stem from his ex-partner, Adva Lavie's criminal case in which

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<v Speaker 2>she's accused of using dating apps to steal from rich

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<v Speaker 2>older men. So, man, he's running a house of madness there.

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<v Speaker 1>Klubeck's a little kooky, though, because who tags Swalwell as, like,

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<v Speaker 1>the next big thing? I mean, what from his... Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he's better behind the scenes, but his public persona is like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're weak, man. You are weak tea. But Klubeck, who's

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<v Speaker 1>one of Swalwell's largest benefactors back in the day, spent

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<v Speaker 1>over a million dollars to support Swalwell's... I forgot Swalwell

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<v Speaker 1>ran for governor in California. Like, didn't even... Get a sniff.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that was just before the sex abuse allegations.

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<v Speaker 1>I spent a million bucks on that. And flew squabble

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<v Speaker 1>to France for some sort of thing to give you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the sort of thing you do. Spent 31 grand

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<v Speaker 1>on that sort of thing you do. You send somebody

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<v Speaker 1>to France to some conference and then they come back

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<v Speaker 1>and then apparently that gives you foreign policy credibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, so he's got porn skanks bilking him. He's got

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<v Speaker 2>political connivers and hucksters bilking him. This guy's just, he's

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<v Speaker 2>a target. And they busted the trust, which, again, I

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<v Speaker 2>understand you're not supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't bust the trust.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, no! What would I do there? No! I was

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<v Speaker 2>blown away.

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<v Speaker 1>The weird-voiced benefactor, who now disavowes Swalwell, has had troubles

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<v Speaker 1>of his own. He was about to marry a penthouse

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<v Speaker 1>pet accused of stealing from rich sugar daddies before he

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<v Speaker 1>called it off.

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<v Speaker 2>Get the f * * * out of here. The

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<v Speaker 2>aforementioned porn skank. Yes, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Penthouse pet. Is that still a thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever that means.

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<v Speaker 1>No kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>Who cares? What is that?

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<v Speaker 1>So he was he dating her and didn't like somehow

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<v Speaker 1>caught wind that, oh, wait a second. I've noticed in

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<v Speaker 1>your history, you dated a whole bunch of rich guys

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<v Speaker 1>and ended up taking their money.

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<v Speaker 2>And after the law came after her for doing this

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<v Speaker 2>over and over again, he was like.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she actually loves me. She hasn't busted the.

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<v Speaker 2>Trust because you don't bust the trust. But he stood

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<v Speaker 2>up for her. He said, no, we're actually crazy in love.

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<v Speaker 1>Poor bastard. She didn't bust the trust. Because, as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a line. There's no crossing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, don't bust the trust. I'm getting that tattooed on me.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. This poor guy. He was good at whatever

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<v Speaker 2>the hell. Somebody figure out how he made his money.

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<v Speaker 2>He was good at that.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a great conversation about that on the Dispatch

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<v Speaker 1>podcast yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>There are no other podcasts. Just ours.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you smart, necessarily? Just because you were able to

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<v Speaker 1>make a ton of money in some industry. Timeshares. His

0:25:03.980 --> 0:25:04.720
<v Speaker 1>thing was timeshares?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was an honorable and fine profession.

0:25:08.410 --> 0:25:12.090
<v Speaker 1>And they were using the example of Trump or Ramaswamy.

0:25:12.109 --> 0:25:14.110
<v Speaker 1>Or no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, Ramaswamy Vivek, like, you know, with that crazy

0:25:19.619 --> 0:25:21.350
<v Speaker 1>ad that he put out, like who would think that

0:25:21.369 --> 0:25:23.070
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't going to backfire on you? So they're having

0:25:23.109 --> 0:25:26.490
<v Speaker 1>a conversation. Well, he became a billionaire. I've always gone

0:25:26.550 --> 0:25:29.010
<v Speaker 1>with the you don't become a billionaire accidentally. You got

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<v Speaker 1>to be damn sharp to be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe it's just maybe it's so narrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the example we love to give for why it's

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<v Speaker 2>idiotic to demonize billionaires, you know, the burger stand guy,

0:25:42.869 --> 0:25:45.730
<v Speaker 2>or really anything where you make a dollar off of

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<v Speaker 2>every customer. If 100 people like it, it's fine. If

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<v Speaker 2>1,000 people like it, it's fine. If a million people

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<v Speaker 2>like it, it's fine. But God help you, if a

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<v Speaker 2>billion people like your product and want to give you

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<v Speaker 2>a dollar for it, that makes you an evil person,

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<v Speaker 2>according to their idiotic philosophy.

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<v Speaker 1>You still got to hire well and navigate tax policies.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, there's so many things to do to

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<v Speaker 1>run a business at all. And then I end up

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<v Speaker 1>a billionaire. I just I don't see how you could

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<v Speaker 1>do that without being just generally high IQ. But or

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<v Speaker 1>is it just such a narrow thing that you can

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<v Speaker 1>be an idiot in every other aspect? But that one,

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<v Speaker 1>is that possible?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, or more germane to this discussion, can you be

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<v Speaker 2>utterly unwise when it comes to affairs of the loins

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<v Speaker 2>and easily duped?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't think the loins factored in with Swalwell.

0:26:35.300 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 1>He tagged Swalwell as like he's the next big, I mean,

0:26:37.540 --> 0:26:40.260
<v Speaker 1>next guy he is. He's just got president written all

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<v Speaker 1>over him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of folks on the Democrat media side

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<v Speaker 2>said the same thing. They've been touting Swalwell as the

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<v Speaker 2>next big thing for a long time. We've been mocking

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<v Speaker 2>it for that long because he's a California guy, and

0:26:51.470 --> 0:26:52.570
<v Speaker 2>we were aware of him for years.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe behind the scenes, he's more impressive. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>In front of the scenes, he came off as an idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>He's handsome, and he says bad things about Trump. I

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<v Speaker 2>love him. He's the best. He should be president.

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<v Speaker 1>Affairs of the loins, that's a special pass for everyone,

0:27:06.780 --> 0:27:11.220
<v Speaker 1>including myself, because all kinds of— The combination of the

0:27:11.300 --> 0:27:14.460
<v Speaker 1>love chemicals or the sex chemicals, all kinds of common

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 1>sense can go up the window.

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<v Speaker 2>Never noticed. Oh, speaking of that intelligence and all, I

0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.680
<v Speaker 2>don't know why they did this. I think they were

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<v Speaker 2>commenting on a story that is circulating right now, but

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<v Speaker 2>went back to the original Dunning-Kruger effect. that incompetent people

0:27:35.020 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know they're incompetent. And actually looking at that study,

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<v Speaker 2>it is so interesting to see it fleshed out just

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that worth talking about at depth? Absolutely. I love

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 1>that topic. I feel like incompetence and mental illness, to

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<v Speaker 1>a certain extent, is if you're worried about being crazy,

0:27:55.619 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 1>you probably aren't crazy. The really crazy people are not

0:27:58.119 --> 0:27:58.889
<v Speaker 1>worried about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah.

0:28:55.730 --> 0:28:57.910
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Dunning-Kruger thing, we ought to do a whole

0:28:57.950 --> 0:28:59.930
<v Speaker 2>segment on coming up next. I'm trying to figure out

0:28:59.970 --> 0:29:01.450
<v Speaker 2>what to squeeze in there.

0:29:01.550 --> 0:29:05.770
<v Speaker 1>I'm not good at memorizing my effects or the names

0:29:05.820 --> 0:29:08.130
<v Speaker 1>of things like that, because there's another one about, have

0:29:08.150 --> 0:29:11.260
<v Speaker 1>you ever heard this one about, it's like with music,

0:29:12.380 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, if you turn up the volume, we

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 1>perceive it as sounding better. And that is one of

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:22.300
<v Speaker 1>the things that misleads all kinds of musicians, either about

0:29:22.340 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 1>their playing or about their equipment. Volume reads as better. Yes.

0:29:28.940 --> 0:29:29.530
<v Speaker 1>In our brains.

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<v Speaker 2>I have been resisting that for the good of my

0:29:32.330 --> 0:29:33.969
<v Speaker 2>eardrums since I was a kid.

0:29:34.610 --> 0:29:37.730
<v Speaker 1>But also with like, you know, this amplifier, you plug

0:29:37.770 --> 0:29:38.190
<v Speaker 1>into an amplifier.

0:29:38.210 --> 0:29:41.390
<v Speaker 2>Is that the Cloward Piven strategy? No, that's something different.

0:29:41.630 --> 0:29:43.670
<v Speaker 1>You plug into this amplifier, use this pedal or whatever.

0:29:43.750 --> 0:29:46.210
<v Speaker 1>If it's louder than the last thing you tested, it

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:51.260
<v Speaker 1>sounds better to you. You think it's better. That's the problem. Wow.

0:29:52.500 --> 0:29:54.460
<v Speaker 1>So some guy just playing louder, you think, well, that

0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>guitar sounds great.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

0:29:56.740 --> 0:29:59.459
<v Speaker 1>Or the music itself or whatever. Yeah. I don't know

0:29:59.500 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>why that, it's just more impactful.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know when I, you know, I boop up my,

0:30:02.740 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 2>my earbud level or something like that and it gets louder,

0:30:05.510 --> 0:30:09.150
<v Speaker 2>that feeling of joy and excitement and pleasure, it goes

0:30:09.230 --> 0:30:11.250
<v Speaker 2>up with the volume that I realized you're going to

0:30:11.750 --> 0:30:14.810
<v Speaker 2>ruin your ears. And I try to back off, but

0:30:14.830 --> 0:30:17.030
<v Speaker 2>then you turn it down just one notch and it's like, yeah,

0:30:17.090 --> 0:30:18.310
<v Speaker 2>it's not as good. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I do that all the time. My music's

0:30:20.220 --> 0:30:21.670
<v Speaker 1>too loud. Turn it down a little bit. Oh no,

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 1>it's just kind of. I was having a good time.

0:30:24.100 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 1>I was tapping my foot and bopping my head.

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<v Speaker 2>This song's no good.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think you're incompetent? If you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>If the answer's no, you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. If you never worry about it.

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<v Speaker 2>The answer's yes, you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that weird? That and other stuff on the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>A judge in Florida recently sentenced the former director of

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<v Speaker 3>the state's gambling addiction hotline to 10 years in prison

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<v Speaker 3>for stealing nearly $ 1. 5 million from his employer to fund

0:30:54.310 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 3>his gambling habit. He was then sentenced to 20 years

0:30:57.660 --> 0:30:59.980
<v Speaker 3>after he asked the judge to go double or nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's probably true. It's like you have alcoholics manning

0:31:06.060 --> 0:31:10.420
<v Speaker 1>the alcoholic hotline or drug addicts or whatever. He was

0:31:10.460 --> 0:31:13.530
<v Speaker 1>a gambling addict who slipped. Or went back to his

0:31:13.590 --> 0:31:14.350
<v Speaker 1>old ways or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, wow, wow. So maybe he's a good example of

0:31:18.510 --> 0:31:20.820
<v Speaker 2>the Dunning-Kruger effect, which I think a lot of us

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:23.140
<v Speaker 2>have heard of through the years. It's the idea that

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:26.460
<v Speaker 2>people who are incompetent don't know they're incompetent, and they

0:31:26.500 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 2>actually think they're competent.

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:31.980
<v Speaker 1>And doesn't everybody, the first time they hear that, think, oh... Right,

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:33.930
<v Speaker 1>because you know people like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. That seem to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Blissfully, perfectly okay with the fact that they suck at

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<v Speaker 1>what they do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I came across the original study from back in

0:31:45.540 --> 0:31:48.630
<v Speaker 2>the 90s. from Cornell University. I'm going to read some

0:31:48.670 --> 0:31:50.510
<v Speaker 2>of it to you because it's written beautifully. This is

0:31:50.570 --> 0:31:53.380
<v Speaker 2>part of the executive summary. People tend to hold overly

0:31:53.430 --> 0:31:56.860
<v Speaker 2>favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains.

0:31:57.220 --> 0:32:00.260
<v Speaker 2>These authors suggest that this overestimation occurs in part because

0:32:00.300 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 2>people who are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden.

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:06.810
<v Speaker 2>Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make

0:32:06.890 --> 0:32:10.910
<v Speaker 2>unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive

0:32:10.950 --> 0:32:12.310
<v Speaker 2>ability to realize it.

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<v Speaker 1>Across four studies, the authors.

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<v Speaker 2>Found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's quite a range, of humor, grammar, and logic,

0:32:23.060 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 2>grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom quartile now, although their test scores put them

0:32:29.820 --> 0:32:33.020
<v Speaker 2>in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:39.970
<v Speaker 2>the 62nd. Whoa! Several analyses linked this miscalculation to deficits

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<v Speaker 2>in metacognitive skill or the capacity to distinguish accuracy from error. Paradoxically,

0:32:46.310 --> 0:32:50.090
<v Speaker 2>improving the skills of participants and thus increasing their metacognitive

0:32:50.150 --> 0:32:53.230
<v Speaker 2>competence helped them recognize the limitation of their own abilities.

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<v Speaker 1>So are we talking about just general incompetence at life

0:32:57.510 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 1>or at a specific thing? Are you born? Because, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm incompetent. You take off the top of somebody's head

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<v Speaker 1>and say, work on their brain. I would declare myself

0:33:08.410 --> 0:33:12.490
<v Speaker 1>incompetent very quickly. I'm incompetent brain surgery. Or are you

0:33:12.530 --> 0:33:15.510
<v Speaker 1>talking about just like a general tendency toward incompetence?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just I'm going to go with their verbiage,

0:33:19.350 --> 0:33:24.230
<v Speaker 2>metacognitive skill or the capacity to distinguish accuracy from error. Anyway,

0:33:24.290 --> 0:33:26.190
<v Speaker 2>they write, it is one of the essential features of

0:33:26.250 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 2>such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would

0:33:31.620 --> 0:33:34.380
<v Speaker 2>already be a remedy to a good portion of the offense.

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<v Speaker 2>And they start the main part of the executive summary with,

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<v Speaker 2>The 1995 case of MacArthur Wheeler, who walked into two

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<v Speaker 2>Pittsburgh banks and robbed them in broad daylight with no

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<v Speaker 2>visible attempt at disguise. He was arrested later that night,

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<v Speaker 2>less than an hour after videotapes of him were taken

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<v Speaker 2>from surveillance cameras and broadcast on the news. When police

0:33:53.380 --> 0:33:57.900
<v Speaker 2>later showed him the surveillance tapes, Mr. Wheeler stared in incredulity. Quote,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wore the juice, he mumbled.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently, Mr.

0:34:01.060 --> 0:34:03.380
<v Speaker 2>Wheeler was under the impression that rubbing one's face with

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:07.340
<v Speaker 2>lemon juice rendered it invisible to video cameras. We bring

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:10.700
<v Speaker 2>up the unfortunate affairs of Mr. Wheeler to make three points.

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<v Speaker 2>The first two are non-controversial. First, in many domains in life,

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<v Speaker 2>success and satisfaction depend on knowledge, wisdom, or savvy in

0:34:18.340 --> 0:34:21.469
<v Speaker 2>knowing which rules to follow and which strategies to pursue.

0:34:21.950 --> 0:34:26.350
<v Speaker 2>This is true not only for committing crimes, but also

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<v Speaker 2>for many tasks in the social and intellectual domains. such

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<v Speaker 2>as promoting effective leadership, raising children, constructing a solid logical argument,

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<v Speaker 2>or designing a rigorous psychological study.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, so they fit all that because I remember, I

0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:42.060
<v Speaker 1>think we talked about that before, I'd write it the

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:45.980
<v Speaker 1>whole lemon juice on the face. Doesn't that just make

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:49.340
<v Speaker 1>you a crazy person as opposed to like incompetent at

0:34:49.380 --> 0:34:50.240
<v Speaker 1>raising a family?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there are different levels of stupid, you know, of

0:34:54.670 --> 0:34:55.950
<v Speaker 2>lack of metacognition.

0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, so that guy on first base, his name is who? Sorry,

0:35:01.390 --> 0:35:02.529
<v Speaker 1>that's an inside comment.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not going there.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not controversial that it's best to have savvy

0:35:09.390 --> 0:35:12.890
<v Speaker 2>and savvy and intelligence and knowledge. Second, people differ widely

0:35:12.969 --> 0:35:15.850
<v Speaker 2>in the knowledge and strategies they apply in these domains.

0:35:18.700 --> 0:35:20.700
<v Speaker 2>Some of the knowledge and theories that people apply to

0:35:20.739 --> 0:35:23.750
<v Speaker 2>their actions are sound and meet with favorable results. Others,

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<v Speaker 2>like the lemon juice hypothesis of MacArthur Wheeler, are imperfect

0:35:29.010 --> 0:35:32.890
<v Speaker 2>at best and wrongheaded, incompetent, or dysfunctional at worst. Perhaps

0:35:32.969 --> 0:35:35.290
<v Speaker 2>more controversial is the third point, the one that is

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<v Speaker 2>the focus of this article. We argue that when people

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<v Speaker 2>are incompetent in the strategies they adopt to achieve success

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<v Speaker 2>and satisfaction, they suffer a dual burden. Not only do

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<v Speaker 2>they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their

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<v Speaker 2>incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>like Mr. Wheeler, they are left with the mistaken impression

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<v Speaker 2>that they are doing just fine. As Miller perceptibly argued

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<v Speaker 2>in the quote that opens this article, and as Charles

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<v Speaker 2>Darwin sagely noted over a century ago, ignorance more frequently

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<v Speaker 2>begets confidence than does knowledge. Ignorance more frequently begets confidence

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<v Speaker 2>than does knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember one of my favorite professors in college

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<v Speaker 1>drawing a very simple line on the with the certainty

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<v Speaker 1>goes down with knowledge. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So one more thing. This is from a commentator. The

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<v Speaker 2>incompetent are blessed with absolute blinding certainty. Their brain protects

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<v Speaker 2>them from their own ignorance, allowing them to speak first,

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<v Speaker 2>demand authority, and never second-guess their decisions. Meanwhile, the actual

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<v Speaker 2>experts suffer the exact inverse. Top performers in the study

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<v Speaker 2>consistently underestimated their rank because a task was easy for them.

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<v Speaker 2>They falsely assumed it was easy for everyone else. They hesitate.

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<v Speaker 2>They obsess over nuance. They assume they have nothing unique

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<v Speaker 2>to add.

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<v Speaker 1>I second-guess everything. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I've said more than once, I'm the saddest level of intelligent.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just smart enough to realize how smart I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>And I see people who are way smarter than me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think, oh, wow. Too bad I'm so dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe if I put.

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<v Speaker 1>Juice on my face and nobody can see me. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>can see how dumb I am. Juice! Oh, get every

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