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Speaker 1: This is Mick Shot, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys apt now. Here are Bill Jones,

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Speaker 1: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 3: Micky Spagnola putting on his headset for another edition of

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Speaker 3: Mixed Shots. Here inside the SWBC podcast studio. It's me

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Speaker 3: Bill Jones. It's Mickey Spagnola, who normally is the star

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Speaker 3: of the show, but really today filling in for the

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Speaker 3: vacationing Everson Walls. Nate Newton. Hello, oh nothing, Hell Newton.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to be here. I'm overjoyed. Man. We are

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Speaker 2: the original posse. Y'all know that, right, That's right, we

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Speaker 2: are the original. We started at.

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Speaker 3: All, the original talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then somebody stole the name and stole all

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Speaker 2: our viewers to it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because they thought that's what they were going to get, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, Well welcome Nate.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you. I'm glad to be here. Notice, yes, sir, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, make hit me, you know with his phone

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Speaker 2: and I tried to call him back and tried to

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Speaker 2: ring him back. This time he didn't let the ring

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Speaker 2: of kid.

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Speaker 4: It didn't ring.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you didn't buy Chantz did not catch yesterday's show.

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Speaker 3: There was a segment where Mickey's phone was ringing incessantly

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Speaker 3: and it was Nate and Frisco who was trying to

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Speaker 3: call him.

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Speaker 4: No, he wasn't.

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Speaker 2: He was trying to irritated, irritate.

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Speaker 4: Me because one person called it was all.

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Speaker 2: That's right, and I'm a non important that's right.

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Speaker 3: That's right. So who knows what Everson's doing today? But

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Speaker 3: ever since? Not here today? So we get the perspective

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Speaker 3: of Nate Newton.

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Speaker 2: From a fat lineman.

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Speaker 4: Well, speaking of lineman, since you brought it up, how

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Speaker 4: do you figure that Cowboys offensive line has been performing

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Speaker 4: in the run game?

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Speaker 2: It is?

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: It has not been effective. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 2: lack of a coach wanted to call it or a

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Speaker 2: quick panic. But the guys, it's certain parts of a

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Speaker 2: game that you have to run in the game. You

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Speaker 2: have to run certain things in a game to get

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Speaker 2: good at and running is now a part of you

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Speaker 2: have to make a concerted, conservative effort to run in

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Speaker 2: the games. Practice will not be good enough. Practices are

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Speaker 2: not physical enough to give you any type true look

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Speaker 2: of what's going down. We have to make a concerted

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Speaker 2: effort offensively to give these guys opportunity. That's the only

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Speaker 2: way they're gonna get better. That's the only way our

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Speaker 2: rookies are gonna jail with our veteran guys. Still is

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Speaker 2: an excellent run blocker. But if you don't get Still

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Speaker 2: don't have a good passing game. So we have to

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Speaker 2: make a concerted effort to get guys going. Zeke is

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Speaker 2: but that trying to get outside that is not Zeke anymore,

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Speaker 2: and that is not who our offensive line is. Our

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Speaker 2: know what Guidon is because we haven't given him a

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Speaker 2: he likes the best, or what Cooper Bebie likes the

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Speaker 2: Because we haven't made a concerted effort, Coach has to.

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Speaker 2: I know Mike Clari, I don't know how he is

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Speaker 2: line is saying, coach, give us a chance. They haven't

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Speaker 4: Well, the reason I asked because it seems like always

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Speaker 4: the criticism it goes to the running backs, and watching

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. Uh, when

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Speaker 2: And right now, these guys have not worked together long

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Speaker 2: enough to be exceptional. It's only two games. And y'all

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Speaker 2: when I say you won't know this team and for

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Speaker 2: the regular season. You don't know what these guys can do.

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Speaker 2: You've never seen these guys work together and you got

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Speaker 2: You look at the offensive line and all right guard

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Speaker 2: is not who he used to be. He's not. He's

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Speaker 2: he's still an exceptional player, but dominant taking over. No,

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Speaker 2: he's not. That guy still needs a certain style of

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Speaker 2: only main dog we have is the left guard. He's

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Speaker 2: into this game here in the film, I've watched of

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Speaker 2: the Ravens not going to run the ball. Well, you

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Speaker 2: ain't gonna run the ball. They give it up forty

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Speaker 2: and they have a solid enough defense where they can

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Speaker 2: did to the Raiders. To the Raiders, they not only

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Speaker 2: ran to the ball when it rushed outside with the

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Speaker 2: Number ninety eight was making plays. Number ninety nine was

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Speaker 2: making plays. Big Michael appears, number fifty eight. He just

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, sir, I don't want to call you fat.

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Speaker 2: A big old healthy sponge and they're just soaking up blocks.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we can learn something from the Raiders defense.

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Speaker 2: And I'm and I'm quite Back in the day, we

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Speaker 2: have to find guys, somebody should show number fifty eight

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Speaker 2: for us? What the fifty eight for the Ravens to do? Hey,

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Speaker 2: this is what you're supposed to look like, you know,

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Speaker 2: And but I don't know if it hurt his feelings

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Speaker 4: But that'll be okay.

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Speaker 2: But help him, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Well, the Raiders only ran the ball seventeen times. They

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Speaker 4: gained twenty seven yards rushing, yes, and so that doesn't

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Speaker 3: By the way, what number fifty eight for the Ravens

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Speaker 3: looks like? He's listed as six foot, three hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 2: Five pounds, a pure rocking.

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Speaker 3: Gu gut he wears fifty eight because his weight is

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Speaker 2: Jack, get out there. I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

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Speaker 2: He wears a big white T shirt and puts on

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Speaker 3: He's just gotten and just six foot tall. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 3: low man wins.

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Speaker 4: So they've only faced twenty runs against Kansas City and

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Speaker 4: so thirty seven runs in two games. So do people

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Speaker 4: just give up? And that's why they're lasting past defense

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Speaker 4: because everybody just throws the ball against them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing about it, their secondary is and as

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Speaker 3: Right, five doesn't play there anything?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. So the thing about this Ravens team,

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Speaker 2: and y'all know how I am. You lose, you lose,

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Speaker 2: but you can see where the Ravens have had great

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Speaker 2: Kansas City. I haven't watched much of the offense of

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Speaker 2: and time ran out. Coaches say, played through the whistle

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Speaker 2: and play through the clock. These guys have done that.

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Speaker 2: They you know, you can look up and say, wow,

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Speaker 2: they pretty they're pretty good. They're a wounded team that

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Speaker 2: and have not played well. So you got two desperate teams.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where they end up at after this game.

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Speaker 2: You know, I hate to call it this early in

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Speaker 2: the week, but who's the most desperate team willing to

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Speaker 2: make the right enough of the good plays, you know,

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Speaker 2: and limit the bad plays.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what. Baltimore doesn't want to start

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Speaker 4: a season zero to three.

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Speaker 2: Nah, because they already at the eleven percent. Fact, I'm

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Speaker 2: not making the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Tell you what the.

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Speaker 3: Cowboys don't want to start the season one and two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but tell me this.

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Speaker 3: Look at the Cowboys schedule card.

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Speaker 4: I know, but look at this. How many people that

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Speaker 3: But they didn't have the one of the lsby in

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Speaker 4: No, they just got it it flipped right. They didn't

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Speaker 4: have them beating Cleveland, they didn't have them beating Baltimore.

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Speaker 4: They had them beating the Saints.

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Speaker 2: But this is what makes you laugh. You You the

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Speaker 2: I have all you know, you get called I have

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Speaker 2: all twenty two if you would if you watch New

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Speaker 2: who they played, amount of path and now to insult

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Speaker 2: Bryce is gone. I mean he may not ever play

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Speaker 2: again for the for the Panthers. But the Panthers were

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Speaker 2: missing two of their defensive studs that could have made

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Speaker 2: better idea if them studs was in there, and New

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Speaker 2: New Orleans did for us is they secured that we

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Speaker 2: know that our first round pick it's just average. This

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Speaker 2: kid is just average, and that we have two older

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Speaker 2: gentlemen that is on their last leg.

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Speaker 4: So my question is, well, now one, what happened Phillips.

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Speaker 3: No, he's you're talking about the offensive line.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not talking about.

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Speaker 3: About your first round pick. When you said first round,

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Speaker 3: you're back on.

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Speaker 2: Guy, No, no, no, Guiding is holding on. Guiding is

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Speaker 2: a thousand miles ahead. Of way, Mazzy was right. Guydon

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Speaker 2: got bulletdog in him. He'll fight Mozzi don't.

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Speaker 3: Have any Okay. And so now to the news of

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Speaker 4: Mickey Jordan Phillips has been placed on injured reserve with

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Speaker 4: a wrist injury.

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Speaker 3: And the Cowboys have signed Carlos Watt.

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Speaker 4: Why do I remember because he was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why. In fact, he scored a touchdown against

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Speaker 3: the New Orleans Saints at New Orleans. It was like

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what they're saying, this team needs to

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Speaker 2: The thing about it, the thing about it is it's

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Speaker 2: I'm asking the players, what are you gonna do? What

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Speaker 3: Carlos Watkins was with the Washington Commanders. Okay, he was

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Speaker 2: this point. But you you had enough young guys that

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Speaker 2: key positions that hurt, you know, the tackle spot, the

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Speaker 2: center spot, out the middle of our defense. And then

443
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Speaker 2: I we don't know what Sam Williams was gonna do,

444
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Speaker 2: but that was a big loss. That was a big

445
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Speaker 2: because we know that he could make plays on both ends,

446
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: smart and dumb. But especially since yeah, here we sit,

447
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Speaker 2: what are we going to do today? What are the

448
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Speaker 2: what is our effort gonna be come Sunday? What is

449
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Speaker 2: our We know that this team likes to run. We

450
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Speaker 2: know that they want to get back to their winning ways.

451
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Speaker 2: And that's them dominating a run game. And I'm talking

452
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Speaker 2: about the Ravens. What are we going to do defensively?

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Speaker 2: What can coach zim Er cook up for these guys

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Speaker 2: to help these guys be better run stoppers?

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Speaker 4: You know well? And they're gonna get you know tested

456
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Speaker 4: obviously with Lamar Jackson. So what do you guys think

457
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Speaker 4: you would like to do to stop him from I

458
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Speaker 4: think he's already run for one hundred and seventy yards.

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Speaker 3: Let me say this before we go into that. It

460
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Speaker 3: was a bicep injury that Watkins had last year. Week

461
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Speaker 3: two of last year. He was lost for the season

462
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Speaker 3: with the torn biceps. Now what do you do about

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how do you want to stop them?

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Speaker 2: Got it?

466
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Speaker 4: Because they're gonna.

467
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Speaker 2: Call Yes, I would not. I was stacked offinsive line.

468
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Speaker 2: I will make him throw to beat me when we

469
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Speaker 2: when they when teams get into the playoffs, get into

470
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Speaker 2: the latter part of the season, don't ever team don't

471
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Speaker 2: employ this. But the teams that uh late in the

472
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Speaker 2: season need wins, they make Lamar beat them passing. They

473
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Speaker 2: beat us passing. Maybe that's the Cowboys answer. If you're

474
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Speaker 2: gonna beat us, You're gonna have to throw the two

475
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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety plus yards no interceptions and touchdowns. You know.

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Speaker 3: Uh, that's what the Chiefs gave the model for how

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Speaker 3: you defend Lamar Jackson in the playoffs last year. And

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can look at their first game of

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Speaker 3: the year this year, but I look at that playoff

480
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: game last year, and the way they defended him and

481
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Speaker 3: kept him in the pocket and kept him from getting

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Speaker 3: out was Steve's your cousin. Steve uh huh was the

483
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Speaker 3: one who came up with the master plan for that.

484
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Speaker 3: There was a lot of smart players on that Kansas

485
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Speaker 3: City defense.

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Speaker 4: Too, because you know, they it's not that he scrambles

487
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Speaker 4: and beats you. They call running plays for him. They're

488
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Speaker 4: pulling two offensive linemen to be lead blockers for him.

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Speaker 4: Right yeah, And that's what I was going to say, Nate,

490
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Speaker 4: because now you got ten guys could block for this,

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Speaker 4: not you know, not the quarterback out of the play.

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Speaker 4: So you stack the line and stop the run and

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Speaker 4: make them throw the ball.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you got to because and you have to be

495
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Speaker 2: disciplined because that run pass option, I mean, he got

496
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Speaker 2: three ways to go again, handed to Henry. He can

497
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Speaker 2: keep it hisself, but he canna look out there and

498
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: see if that corner uncheated hit the outside receiver. I

499
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Speaker 2: hit a tight end fading out with the scene.

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Speaker 4: So can you afford to have one linebacker? And I'm

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Speaker 4: guessing Overshown spy on him, just on Jackson if he's

502
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Speaker 4: if he's just.

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Speaker 2: A different dude throwing the ball, just a different dude.

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Speaker 2: If Overshown can't miss see that when when you're elite

505
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: at what you do, you can't miss. So my thing is,

506
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Speaker 2: let everybody do their job. And you're talking about spying on.

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Speaker 3: It in the past or yeah, yeah, well here's the

508
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Speaker 3: other thing. It gets back to stop him from.

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Speaker 2: What you're saying. Yes, you have to have a spy,

510
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Speaker 2: but I would like even faster guy than him. I mean,

511
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Speaker 2: do we have a.

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Speaker 3: dB Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm serious.

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Speaker 3: For a faster guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple Overshown can go. He can bolder and

516
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Speaker 2: in this guy will make him look slow. But he

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Speaker 2: Overshown cannot do what I see most spies do. Don't

518
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Speaker 2: get in the wash. Well, they'll ease up there, they'll

519
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: see a gap and the first thing a linebacker thinks

520
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Speaker 2: is fill that gap. Well you're not. You don't fill

521
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: that gap. Stay back and keep your eyes on this dude,

522
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: because when he break out of one of these scenes,

523
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Speaker 2: you gotta be there. And if you come into a

524
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Speaker 2: hole and commit and something over to the right, he gone.

525
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: So the spy gotta be real patient.

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Speaker 3: Well, and the thing with Overshown, he's played two NFL games.

527
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Speaker 3: I mean, he doesn't have.

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Speaker 4: The experience, but but who's got the size here in speed?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, here's the other thing which we talked about yesterday.

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Speaker 3: People were asking how come overshow wasn't on the field

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Speaker 3: against New Orleans. Well, you're gonna run into the same

532
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Speaker 3: thing against Baltimore, which has a three hundred pound full

533
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Speaker 3: back named Patrick Ricard who will be on the field

534
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: for as much as uh Taysom Taysom Hill lined up

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Speaker 3: at fullback, and they like they like two tight ends

536
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Speaker 3: with Mark Andrews and Isaiah likely to go along with them.

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00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: And so that will dictate if the Cowboys are going

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Speaker 3: to keep the same UH personnel on defense that they

539
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: had in the New Orleans game, which is Overshown's on

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00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: the field in the nickel. He's a sub linebacker in

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Speaker 3: the nickel package. Then Lea Foul and Damon Clark are

542
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: on the field with three linebackers. When they go two

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00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: tight ends in a fullback to overshow's not even on

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00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 3: the field in that package?

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Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, just so we don't miss

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Speaker 4: this part, can I throw my hands up?

547
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: Can I throw my hands up and surrender?

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Speaker 2: I'd say what you got to say?

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Speaker 4: I'm you're talking about after two weeks?

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Speaker 5: No?

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00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: No, now the more. How many times did New Orleans

552
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: run on us?

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00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: Was it thirty or forty times?

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00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm throwing my hands up, y'all listen to me.

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00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: Thirty nine?

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00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: No, listen to me. This is the God heaven truth.

557
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: Listen to me. It would not have mattered if Overshown

558
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: was in the game. You could have went and got

559
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: Jack Lambert. You could have win and got Dick Busks.

560
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: You could have win and got Joe Schmidt, and you

561
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: could have went and got Lawrence Taylor. Those are one

562
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: of them. Those are three great linebackers. If your defensive

563
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: line does not do their job, I don't care who

564
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: your linebackers. I keep asking people what is overshown gonna

565
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: do when a tackle is sitting in your lap. What

566
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: is he gonna do?

567
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: Exactly?

568
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: The coaches know what they're doing. We just need for

569
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Speaker 2: our front defenders to do their job.

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00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: Which gets back to that screen pass to Camara. What's

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00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: Kendrick's gonna do when you've got an offensive guard who's

572
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: between him and Kamara? Yes, when when Lawrence makes a

573
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: swim move inside and it leaves a lane wide open

574
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: for the screen pass for Kamara because you're lea foul

575
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 3: rushed to the outside, it's just wide open. It's now

576
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: one on one. You got an offensive guard against Kendricks.

577
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 3: The whole idea is to keep the offensive lineman off

578
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Speaker 3: the linebackers. Right.

579
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Speaker 2: It's amazing, And it gets.

580
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Speaker 3: Back to Lamar Jackson at the spy business. What Kansas

581
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: City did against him in the in the conference championship

582
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 3: game last year. Was they contained him. Yes, they're not

583
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: pinning their ears back and going after him.

584
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 4: Well, my point was going to be, yes, we're talking

585
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Speaker 4: about running passing. After two games, they've got the number

586
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 4: one offense in the league, Baltimore.

587
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: Yes, they do.

588
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 4: They've scored, They've gained more yards than any other team.

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00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: It's just they eight. Number one is scory that.

590
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, the number thirty two in defense. Yeah, mass defense.

591
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Speaker 2: You said it's so perfect. All you have to do

592
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: when he get ready to pass is go three steps

593
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: up the field a defensive lineman, defense man, y'all go

594
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: four steps. You form the umbrella overshown whoever you want

595
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 2: standing back there. He drops back four or five yards,

596
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: give itself a cushion between this defensive line. So when

597
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: he takes off, you always have an angle on him.

598
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: But if you go up into that offensive line, you

599
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: lose all angles with this guy's speed. Excuse me for

600
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 2: stepping back, Chris, I know you're gonna get on me.

601
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Speaker 2: I know you're gonna get on it. Yeah, yeah, So

602
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: but you get what I'm saying. You can't lose the

603
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: angle on this kid. This kid is. This kid is

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Speaker 2: what almost twenty eight, twenty nine is still he can

605
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 2: run a four three four two forty. So we gotta

606
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: be disciplined. We gotta make this kid throw and beat us.

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00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: Don't let that big old mountain of a man, Henry

608
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Speaker 2: get involved.

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Speaker 4: See this, this looks misleading. They got him listened as

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Speaker 4: six two two oh five.

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00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: Who is that?

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Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson?

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Speaker 2: What do you about? One ninety he's.

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Speaker 4: Bigger than that you think when he starts running, he

615
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 4: looks bigger.

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Speaker 2: Uh uh. He a little something. He a little thing man.

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00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: He's just long and lean and wiry. Yeah, there's no

618
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: answers when you get fourteen or more points behind.

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Speaker 3: He at the combine, Mickey, he measured six two and

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Speaker 3: a quarter two hundred and sixteen pounds.

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Speaker 4: Slim down so he don't looks when he's got the

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Speaker 4: ball in his hands running full speed. Can tell you that.

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Speaker 3: And he is twenty seven years old. Still very young, young, yes.

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Speaker 2: Very young. All right.

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Speaker 3: All right, very good? Okay, final five or ten minutes

671
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Speaker 3: here of mixed shots and we barely have dived into

672
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Speaker 3: Mickey's legal pad. What do you got interesting on there?

673
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 4: So I ran across this some Ravens site on the

674
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 4: line that they the online Okay, you remember Stratamatical when

675
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 4: we were growing up, They were still in business.

676
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: Now, did you have a strata matic, Nate?

677
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 4: What is that? It was a football game?

678
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I remember, I remember that.

679
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

680
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 4: So they did Stratamatic did a stimulation.

681
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Speaker 3: On I guess simulation, simulation.

682
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 4: What did I say, stimulation?

683
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 2: Wow, you've been hanging on our show.

684
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 4: They stimulated a simulation on every game. Uh, the Ravens

685
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 4: would play before they played it, right, Okay, And the

686
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: simulations for the first two games Baltimore was going to

687
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 4: be oh and two.

688
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: Wow about the third game one and two?

689
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: But they had they had them losing to the Chiefs

690
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 4: twenty four, twenty seven to twenty four. They lost twenty

691
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 4: seven to twenty and then they had them losing to

692
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 4: the Raiders and I think they even got the score

693
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Speaker 4: right twenty six twenty three. Just one of the things

694
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 4: I ran across.

695
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: So does anybody ever go back and check how they

696
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: do on those how the oddsmakers do on those picks?

697
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: You have a running record of, oh like from a

698
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 3: just wins and losses, whether those whether the bet was

699
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: one or not, but wins and losses, whether they got

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Speaker 3: it right or not.

701
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Speaker 2: I've never wanted to do the bet and things, especially

702
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: coming into the league. You know they had it big

703
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 2: on the wall. If you get caught Gamba, you out

704
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: of the league. So and now we have to do

705
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 2: all this stuff. So I don't even think of it.

706
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: I don't either. I never never have anything.

707
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: It would be nice to know just that for entertainment purposes,

708
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: but they ain't worth losing a job.

709
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 4: I've seen. I've seen media people adding on games and

710
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 4: then covering it's the most miserable day of their lives.

711
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: That's when they when you're not there's not supposed to

712
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: be any cheering in the press box, that's when you

713
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: get yelling in the press box.

714
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 7: Right.

715
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: The thing fellas away anyway.

716
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,959
Speaker 4: That was one of the things I had.

717
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: Do you find anything about desperation in online? Because I've

718
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: never since I played when we were desperate almost every game,

719
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: when when we was going through a bad season. Uh,

720
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: when going over there talking to the guys, have y'all

721
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: how the guys taking this are they locked.

722
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 4: In, don't want to talk to nobody or they will

723
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 4: find out today?

724
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 3: Because what do you anticipate.

725
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: I ain't saying gloom and doom, but intense intensity. It

726
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: should be a feeling locker room like man, we ain't

727
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,479
Speaker 2: got time to play.

728
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: Okay, tell us what it was would have been, like, well,

729
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: what it was like when you started old Let's say.

730
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 2: Oh, you're talking about with being out? It was a man.

731
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: First of all, thank you for mister Jones for not

732
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: firing all of us for talking about you. But we

733
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: like we knew we were good, and we knew that

734
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 2: if we had Emmitt at least one of those games

735
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: would have been different. And so we we we we

736
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: was blaming upper management, and we was open about it.

737
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 2: You know, like, what are what not calling mister Jones

738
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: name but saying, wow, what are they gonna do? You know?

739
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: These other guys that these other running backs are just guys?

740
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: You know.

741
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 2: So but each week we we went in probably much

742
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: like these Ravens, saying we're a better team than this.

743
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: We are a much better team than this. We approven

744
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: it year after year, and I'm saying that cowboys can

745
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: congrat they've been whether they've lost the second game before

746
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: and run off eight or nine good victories. So, you know,

747
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: do we have enough of guys in here to remember

748
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: that last year we were in the same predicament? So

749
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: how do you feel? I mean, so when you go

750
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: over there and you can answer to Everson tomorrow tomorrow,

751
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 2: maybe what what is it like over there? I don't

752
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: go over there messing with players because they don't need.

753
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: They got enough bunch of old heads walking around there

754
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: trying to stick their chests out about what they've done.

755
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: I believe let every every generation build their own hopes.

756
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: But man, we gotta we gotta have that fitter. Do

757
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 2: you go over there, Bill?

758
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: I I don't go to the locker room very often.

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00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 2: Mick, you go every day, right I do? Man, give them,

760
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: give them tomorrow, Give the fans write it down or something.

761
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: Give the fans of what you feel is happening over there,

762
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: you know, not gloom and doom. I know it's not

763
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: gonna be that. They know they got fifteen more games.

764
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: I saw them as to Stephen Jones, and I, hey, hey, sir,

765
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: hey come here, you know you have fifteen more games.

766
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: Let these guys know they have fifteen more games. You know,

767
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: don't matter how if it was a baseball season, we'll

768
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: be just throwing against the wall and winning care one

769
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two games.

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Speaker 3: Is a career sixty two?

771
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: Okay? We got to be fifted in that who cares.

772
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: So basically what the football equivalent is, if you wanted

773
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 3: to put it in baseball terms of intity, that I mean,

774
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: you got a seventeen game season, So through two games

775
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 3: in a baseball season, you've played twenty games. Now yeah, okay, yeah,

776
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: basically that's right. So and if you're ten and ten,

777
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 3: the stat you got a five hunter record through twenty

778
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 3: games baseball.

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00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: The stat that the Ravens are facing. Since twenty twenty

780
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 4: thirty two teams has started the season oh to two.

781
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 4: Only two of them made it to the playoffs, right,

782
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty three Texans and the twenty twenty two Bengals.

783
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: Right, So that Beingles had who at quarterback?

784
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, somebody named Joe Burrow.

785
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 2: That's a beast. That's a beast.

786
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 3: And Cincinnati's been They've been starting zero two every year.

787
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: It seems like they're rowing to again this year.

788
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

789
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: And the Cowboys in forty two games if we count

790
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: too this year, which I don't think we should count,

791
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 4: they've only once lost back to back games and they

792
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 4: did it last one more time. So twenty twenty two season,

793
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three season, and six games in twenty twenty one,

794
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 4: so forty games counting the two this year. They've only

795
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 4: lost back to back games once and it was last

796
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 4: year Buffalo Miami. Right, okay, Buffalo Miami. So they've recovered

797
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 4: from losses with Mike McCarthy being here.

798
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 3: And that was in December, so that was late in

799
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 3: the season and then.

800
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 4: The time before would have been twenty twenty one.

801
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: So to answer your question, they're not panicked over there

802
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: and they feel like that they haven't they Here's what

803
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: I anticipate. That's what I anticipated. All's good, we got this,

804
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: we got this. It would be the attitude. We got this.

805
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty one, they lost back to back games

806
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 4: to Kansas City and then Vegas in overtime. So they've responded. Now,

807
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 4: this is a different team and so somewhat younger team, right,

808
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 4: you got a lot of young guys that you're trying

809
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: to integrate into this system.

810
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: All right, let me ask you this how Troy's leadership Okay,

811
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: and you knew how Troy was, Okay, how did that

812
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: affect the rest of it? Like, what was Troy like

813
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: after an oh and to start that season, and how

814
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: does that trickle down to the rest.

815
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: Troy did not have to say a word. He showed

816
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: it by he came to work very professional. Troy has

817
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: always been direct focused. When he hit those stores. He

818
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: had enough guys on defense. Our defense was very very vocal,

819
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 2: you know, starting with Charles Hayley.

820
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 3: Right, so they Yes, but Troy got his message across,

821
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: notup by having to say anything, but just just put

822
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: his nose to the grindstone. And yeah, and you saw

823
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 3: his attitude. Yes that okay, Yeah, get to work.

824
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just stared you down.

825
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what.

826
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 4: You know what twice in ninety three you lost back

827
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 4: to back games. Yeah, if you remember, after the first two,

828
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 4: you ended up losing at Atlanta and then Miami. And

829
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 4: that's when Jimmy kind of got out the strapped and

830
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 4: said we got to win. It was hurt in Atlanta, right, Yes,

831
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 4: or Emmett was one of the two, and Jimmy said,

832
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 4: you got to win five straight to finish the season,

833
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 4: to get home filled advantage and to win the division.

834
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 4: And he didn't win the division until overtime against the Giants.

835
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing is, and that's what I'm saying, what

836
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: are the when the coach when you know the coach

837
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: has put you in position to win. Like Parson said,

838
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: it wasn't the coach. He said this, it was us

839
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: as players. Eleven guys even included himself. Now I'm asking

840
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: the question, I know who Zim is and what his

841
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: defense is. I've seen Mike McCarthy dial it up right.

842
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: He dialed it up right a few more than a

843
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: few times. What are the players going to see?

844
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 3: That's a great example of coming back off of back

845
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 3: to back losses and waiting. It's legend. Now let me

846
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 3: just think of Emmett in that Giants get and the

847
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 3: rest of the team too. It's legend what that team

848
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: did in overcoming adversity. And now we're gonna find out

849
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 3: what this team is like.

850
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 4: You know, I had a former player once tell me,

851
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 4: as hard as Jimmy had to coach you those last

852
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 4: five games and then to win three more in the playoffs,

853
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 4: that he would have had trouble coming back the next

854
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 4: year coaching you even harder. Yeah, because he probably got

855
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 4: as much out of you as he.

856
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: He He got it all, man. But I'm gonna tell

857
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: you what, man. Thank you, Michael Irvy, Troy Egman, thank you,

858
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: Charles Haley, Tony Tobert. Thank you, Darren Woodson, thank you.

859
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: Our linebackers. At that time, we had some dogs that

860
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: you you was not gonna walk out on that field

861
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 2: after they done gave us that ball over across the fifty.

862
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna walk off the field with less than seven

863
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: points because if we walked out, we didn't have to

864
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: look at Jimmy. It was our defense gonna be like,

865
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: you mean to tell me we gave y'all the ball

866
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: on the fifty. Y'all can't go forty nine yards, you know.

867
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 2: So it's players now, and that's who I'm going with.

868
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: Players gonna have to hold themselves accountable. The coaches ain't

869
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: gonna always coaches, ain't they gonna dial it up?

870
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: Right?

871
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: Executed?

872
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 3: Executed the linebacker Kenny Norton, Yes, sir, you're talking.

873
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 2: About somebody was smart and underrated. I mean, Ken Norton,

874
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 2: what no matter. I'm talking about our offense. You don't

875
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Speaker 2: study your own offense. We were being practiced inside run.

876
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Speaker 2: We were being practiced regular offense. Power power, right, powerpower, left,

877
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Speaker 2: look out for the draw.

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Speaker 3: Look.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Ken hold On, bro be your own team. Yeah, y'all,

880
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Speaker 2: I'm studying y'all and I'm gonna know who y'all are.

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Speaker 2: Look at Georgie, look at you, how he's doing this.

882
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: I look out for this. Lookout Mike Irving and tight

883
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 2: looking at here, gonna run the slant, I'm like.

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Speaker 3: And then the next year he's playing for San Francisco.

885
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Speaker 4: You remember he finished that season playing with a torn

886
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Speaker 4: bice up.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I remember, man.

888
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Speaker 4: They would tape roll it down and tape it up. Yeah,

889
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Speaker 4: stretch it out. They stretch it out and wrap it.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, these guys were unique. They were unique,

891
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Speaker 2: and I'm wondering, do they have any unique guys over there?

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Speaker 4: We're about to find about to find out.

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Speaker 3: All right, Nate, Thanks joining ever since. We'll be back tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: I think, and we'll chat at you again tomorrow on

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