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Speaker 3: It's the greatest suspersion. Then the same in can Nick

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome back to another edition of Naked. The

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the podcast this week. I've

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Speaker 1: how she wanted to approach it. The show didn't go,

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Speaker 1: but that experience of working with her was you know,

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Speaker 1: it was great for me too, of seeing her come

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Speaker 1: out like that, and she kind of commented on that,

436
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Speaker 1: I think when you're on the Emmy of how you

437
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Speaker 1: know how much that really helped her to put herself

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Speaker 1: on the page. I guess as best way to put

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Speaker 1: it So to answer the first question, I enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's fun, you know, doing that kind of thing,

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Speaker 1: and why not nobody else is going to do it?

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Speaker 1: We got to do it ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Odde, who are you telling? Who are you telling? Are

444
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Speaker 2: you speaking preaching to the choir? I already know.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm on the Carre Championship.

446
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Speaker 2: Hello, you doing favors? You got to make sure we

447
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Speaker 2: lift each other up as well.

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing favorite Okay, you know what.

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Speaker 2: Time it is? Fast forward if you need to. But

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Speaker 2: I have to pay all of my bills. I say

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Speaker 2: that every time. So that's about three minutes of commercial breaks.

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Speaker 2: Please be patient and come back. Larry Wilmore is dropping knowledge.

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Speaker 4: Every champion and car Every champion is to be a champion,

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Speaker 4: a champion and carry Champion and Carri with chat beat

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Speaker 3: Naked work.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys for dealing with those commercials. I appreciate

462
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Speaker 2: you so much now. Larry Wilmore talks about all things,

463
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Speaker 2: including whether or not my Lakers get it done. He's

464
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Speaker 2: not very hopeful, las, He's honest, uh, but we shall

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Speaker 2: see enjoy naked. I think of how you have shepherded,

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Speaker 2: or have touched, or have been a part of so

467
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Speaker 2: many careers and so many lives of young black women

468
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Speaker 2: who are trying to make it, And I think it's very,

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Speaker 2: very intentional, and it's encouraging without the creepy you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, don't get to get back, you know,

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Speaker 2: we don't get to get that like sometimes we don't,

472
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Speaker 2: you know. I want to be able to be creative,

473
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Speaker 2: and you want to be free without the other things

474
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Speaker 2: that come with it. When I think of all the

475
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Speaker 2: projects that you you know what I'm talking about, you know,

476
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Speaker 2: just just a part of being a woman in this world.

477
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Speaker 2: I don't care what you look like, how tall you are,

478
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Speaker 2: sure you are how it does not matter.

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Speaker 5: It's just some. At one point for me career, you

480
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Speaker 5: have to say, I don't want to fucking flirt with you, sir.

481
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Speaker 5: I don't want to. I don't like it. Stop it,

482
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Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Or let me let it be reciprocal. You know what

484
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Speaker 2: I mean, Like just said, can can I just be

485
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Speaker 2: smart for right now? With that being said, this is

486
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Speaker 2: what I am looking forward to.

487
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Speaker 5: Smart.

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Speaker 2: You have this great podcast Black on Era that I love,

489
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Speaker 2: and every time I want it, you make me feel

490
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Speaker 2: like I have to think, uh, several different layers deeper

491
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Speaker 2: than what I normally would. And I think the last

492
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Speaker 2: debate I forget, oh it was about Lebron and whether

493
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Speaker 2: or not he had a point to talk about. Why

494
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Speaker 2: don't you guys ask me about Jerry Jones. And this

495
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Speaker 2: is where we transition into sports because cerebrally, I would

496
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Speaker 2: love to talk to you about our team. But some

497
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Speaker 2: things for these topics have really and I'm also I

498
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Speaker 2: also know that some of these topics can end up

499
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Speaker 2: on TV shows right like all the time. And I

500
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Speaker 2: think of Jah Morant and this is the second time

501
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Speaker 2: in two months Jah Morant was on social media with

502
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Speaker 2: a gun, and in my mind, everyone, I'm like, well,

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Speaker 2: I ask you this. If he was a gun enthusiast

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Speaker 2: and he collected guns, pistols, guns, rifles, all sorts of guns,

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Speaker 2: and he displayed them on social media as a proud

506
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Speaker 2: collection in Boston a case and he could give you

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Speaker 2: the history of it, would we view him and guns

508
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Speaker 2: differently as opposed to how we view him now? I

509
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Speaker 2: wonder your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question. And yeah, because they're like,

511
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Speaker 1: are they taking away his second Amendment?

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Speaker 3: Right?

513
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Speaker 1: Is he not allowed to have a gun because he's

514
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Speaker 1: what's going on? Is it the image that he's presenting, Like,

515
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Speaker 1: what is the actual objection? Is it just the gun itself?

516
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Speaker 1: If he presented it like that, as you say, as

517
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Speaker 1: a gun enthusiast, as opposed to you know, basically saying, yeah, nigga,

518
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Speaker 1: you come up on me, You're going to get popped,

519
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Speaker 1: you know, which is basically kind of how he's displaying it.

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Speaker 1: Which maybe they're arguing this is not the right image

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Speaker 1: that we want presented in the NBA or whatever. But

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Speaker 1: I think just having a gun. I don't know why

523
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Speaker 1: there should be anything wrong with just having a gun.

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Speaker 1: That to me is ridiculous. You know, Like, if so,

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Speaker 1: why is.

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Speaker 5: The perception of him waving it with his friends listening

527
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Speaker 5: to music such a problem?

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Speaker 1: I think it's a great question. I think maybe it's

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Speaker 1: because of what is being implied. I was talking about

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Speaker 1: this now longer you're talking about I said many times

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Speaker 1: people just focus on the truth of something, you know,

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Speaker 1: But a lot of times, even though something can be true,

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Speaker 1: it's advertising something else. You know. So you can't just

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Speaker 1: ask whether something is true or whether it's valid. You

535
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Speaker 1: also have to ask what is it advertising? You know,

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Speaker 1: what is the implication here? You know, is he advertising

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Speaker 1: gun safety? I don't think so. I think he's advertising

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Speaker 1: the opposite of that, you know.

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Speaker 5: So, so I what what if he was listening to

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Speaker 5: country music and waving it around.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, you step to say, what is the advertising

542
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Speaker 1: that country music? Is he advertising I'm shooting my wife

543
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Speaker 1: because she's lied on me and my best friend? You know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's still you're not advertising a good message there,

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Speaker 1: you know. I think that's the part that we never

546
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Speaker 1: get clarity around. I think people have less clarity on

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Speaker 1: that than they focus on on the micro of whether

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Speaker 1: an act is valid or not or whatever.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: So I think you have to break it down in

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Speaker 1: that way. Now, having said that, you know, NBA they'll

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Speaker 1: decide what they want to do with this for whatever

553
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Speaker 1: rules who they want. You know, he could argue, Hey,

554
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Speaker 1: I'm a private citizen. The season's over for me. I

555
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Speaker 1: can have a gun if I want to, and we

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Speaker 1: can see where that lands, you know, and I think

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Speaker 1: there's there's validity on both sides. But if I was arguing,

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Speaker 1: if I was the NBA, I would make the argument

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Speaker 1: about what are you advertising?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: What is the what's the message you're sending out. Are

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Speaker 1: you saying, hey, guys, I'm a gun enthusiast and I'm

563
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Speaker 1: gonna show you how to clean this gun, or you

564
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Speaker 1: need to protect yourself? Are you advertising hey niggas, you

565
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Speaker 1: know something come up on you. You just better be ready,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean. It's like, what

567
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Speaker 1: are you advertising? What are you advertising? Gang culture?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: Or this sort of carture The NBA are these questions.

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Speaker 1: The NBA maybe doesn't want to be a sociated with

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Speaker 1: that type of culture. And now some people say, wait,

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Speaker 1: what are you saying black culture?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: And that's what I'm That's what I'm asking.

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Speaker 1: We're saying, are you saying we're saying gang culture?

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Speaker 3: All?

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Speaker 1: Right?

578
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 5: Violence?

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Speaker 1: Now, if somebody, if a white person had a gun

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Speaker 1: and was wearing like a Proud Boys thing, it was

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Speaker 1: a January sixth type of thing, I don't think the

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Speaker 1: NBA be happy about that, right, in that context.

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Speaker 5: Okay, what is a punishment?

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Speaker 1: I'm not here. Let me ask you this though. Here's

585
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Speaker 1: the big question. Though, knowing that he lost almost forty

586
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Speaker 1: million dollars because he wasn't on an all Star team,

587
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Speaker 1: you know, based on this incident, what goes through the

588
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Speaker 1: mind of somebody pull does this again and has all

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Speaker 1: this at Say if I called you carry and I said, Carrie,

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Speaker 1: I want to give you forty million dollars, but here's

591
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Speaker 1: a caveat, and I'm sorry about this. I know this

592
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Speaker 1: is going to be tough. You can't wave a gun

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Speaker 1: on Instagram Live. I don't know if you can do that, Carrie.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can pull that off. But

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Speaker 1: that's awful good. But I really want to give you

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Speaker 1: forty million dollars. But I'm just gonna have to see

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Speaker 1: in the next week, Carrie, just a week. All I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is a week. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I need I need my gun and

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Speaker 5: I need Instagram Live. No, you're right, Okay. So here's

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Speaker 5: the thing. He's not a serious person.

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Speaker 2: And I say that as a joke because you can't

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Speaker 2: be serious when you have a two hundred million plus

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Speaker 2: a dollar contract coming your way and you cannot find

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Speaker 2: some way to get off of Instagram.

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Speaker 5: Live with a gun? And who Again, the question goes,

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Speaker 5: who are your friends who feel like is this is

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Speaker 5: a and why do you need a gun? So here,

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Speaker 5: it's not so much even this instant, it's this instance.

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Speaker 5: It's the series of instances. We hear you beat up

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Speaker 5: a seventeen year old kid and you punched him. We

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Speaker 5: hear you went up to the mall uh to a

613
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Speaker 5: sporting goods store because they were giving your mother or

614
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Speaker 5: someone in your family a hard time, and you and

615
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Speaker 5: your friends your possible he went up there to handle it.

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Speaker 5: These are all things that are documented incidents that have happened.

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Speaker 5: Friends of yours have pointed laser guns at people's heads.

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Speaker 5: It's just a series of things that say, where there's smoke,

619
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Speaker 5: there's fire. For whatever reasons, you want to play a gangster.

620
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Speaker 5: So I don't think when we ask the question, what's

621
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Speaker 5: he advertising, it's been clear and he's been advertising it intentionally.

622
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Speaker 5: But what do you do when you're talented? Because talent really,

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Speaker 5: for lack of a better word, trump's all. They will

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Speaker 5: keep him, They will give him a Mex contract, They

625
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Speaker 5: allegedly try to get him help. What do you do

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Speaker 5: in this scenario when you have this star.

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Speaker 1: A couple of things, you know, because I'm a little

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Speaker 1: contrary as you know that, you know, I will argue

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Speaker 1: that I don't think talent Trump's all. I will make

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Speaker 1: the distinction and say that leanning Trump's all. Yeah, sure, yeah,

631
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Speaker 1: I'll make that distinction because we see talented people right

632
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Speaker 1: who go down. But winning is different. Remember when you know,

633
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Speaker 1: when Kobe had the thing happened in Colorado, I was

634
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Speaker 1: thinking the same thing. He was in a championship run

635
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: during that time, you know, and he even he even

636
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: said winning takes care of everything, which is a very

637
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: controversial statement at the time, but he you know, he

638
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: wasn't wrong, as controversy as it was. But he didn't

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Speaker 1: say talent takes care of everything. He said winning, you know.

640
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: And so if John Moran had two championships behind him,

641
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: this might be different than John Morant who's never even

642
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: been to the finals. So because we have seen talented

643
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Speaker 1: people Gilbert Arenez, remember he lost the whole season because

644
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: so he had again have I mean, he was Steph

645
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: Curry of his day in terms of his range and everything.

646
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: You know, there have been many players who have been

647
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Speaker 1: very talented in the NBA. What's his name? I camp, Well,

648
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Speaker 1: there are a couple of people member Craig Hodges, how

649
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Speaker 1: great it was, Surity was there? Or what's his name?

650
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: Who was doing the protests and everything? Talent is everybody's

651
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: talented NBA, right, But if you can't win, yeah, you

652
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: ain't got no leverage. My question is this with him

653
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: carry is where's his father? You know, his father's on

654
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: the sidelines of all these shows. You know he's puffing

655
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: up against Shannon Sharp and everything. Why is he not

656
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: puffing up like that against his son? You know why

657
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He comes from a middle class too family,

658
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: two parent household. You know, he didn't grow up on

659
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: the streets. He didn't grow up you know, he grew

660
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: up in a privileged situation for as far as a

661
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: lot of people and a lot of people playing in

662
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: the NBA at different situations. Look, Jimmy Butler was an orphan,

663
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: for christ sakes. You know, he was pushed on the

664
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: streets by his mother. You know, luckily he was raised

665
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: by this family. He's a model citizen in the NBA.

666
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: You know, I mean butler, you know, if anybody had

667
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: any right to be angry or you know, to be

668
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, oppose it or whatever, not that type of thing.

669
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: But of course, as you say, too, he's not a

670
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: silly person either. He's more of a serious person. So

671
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: this thing that he's doing is so silly. And I

672
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: don't know why his father hasn't stepped in in taking

673
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: that gun away or you know, demanded that he changes

674
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: or isolate him or do whatever. Maybe because he's on

675
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: the gravy train. Because the other thing winning and then

676
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: the money is a big problem too. People get on

677
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: that payroll, whether it's family members or not. And nobody's

678
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: trying to rock that boat, right, we.

679
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 5: Don't mess that up. I don't want to mess up

680
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 5: my money. No, I don't know.

681
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to put they're not trying to put a

682
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: hole in that bag, right.

683
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: They However, however, at the same turn, they're missing out

684
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: on what could be right, what else that there be

685
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 2: Like I always use this instance, like don't I use

686
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: this example because I'm a diehard Oprah enthusiast and I

687
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: and a fan and when I met her, I know,

688
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: people say whatever, I love her so much, she can

689
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: do no wrong. She walks on water, and I want

690
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: to keep it that way. But when I met her,

691
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: I always think of this story that she told on

692
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: her show, of how her sister, when she first started

693
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: to make it, sold the story to the National Inquirer

694
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: that she was pregnant at fourteen. Her sister sold the

695
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: story for maybe forty or sixty thousand dollars. And this

696
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: was early on in the Oprah Show. And she goes,

697
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: if that's all it took to get her out of

698
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: my life, I'm okay with that. And here she is,

699
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 2: fast forward years later. You think sister would have thought

700
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: Oprah was about to be a billionaire. You know what

701
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: you really missed out on by selling that ridiculous story

702
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: point being is that if you really can't grab a

703
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 2: hold of him now and he's one of the he's

704
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: a superstar in the league, and his future is so

705
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: bright if he starts to win, there's so much more there,

706
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: not even just the money aspect of it, but there's

707
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 2: so much more there for that family. And I don't

708
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: see anybody thinking bigger picture here. I don't see anybody

709
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: thinking of what could be because to your point, talent

710
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: does not trumpad winning does it? You haven't done that yet.

711
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 2: So if you put yourself in a position where people

712
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: can't depend on you to win because you're too busy

713
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: playing a gangster, then it looks as if there are

714
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: a few people who are going to want to start

715
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 2: investing in you in a real way. Does that make sense?

716
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely? Like what's the guy's name played for Tampa

717
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: White receiver took a shirt off when Oh Brown, I mean,

718
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: how much talent did ab have?

719
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 4: You know?

720
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: And he just really talented, so talented, you know, he

721
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 1: could you know, him at seventy percent, was still better

722
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: than most people in the league, you know, and he

723
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: just squandered it all, just threw it all away. And

724
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: people after a while, they really didn't care how talented

725
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: he was. They really didn't care. You know.

726
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: Tom Brady gave him another chance no one wanted. He said,

727
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: I'll take them and then, like the great Tom bradon

728
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 2: I just I mean, but he's clearly unwell. Okay, speaking

729
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: of unwell, I was unwell at the thought that the

730
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: Lakers might lose to the Warriors. And I just want

731
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: to say, our team, our Laker team looked phenomenal. I mean, Okay, yes, yes,

732
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: we could do a dance. We could do a dance

733
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: on that. And I have Mike Trudell on my show

734
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: today and I said, Mike, I said, I'm a little nervous.

735
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 2: How durable is Ad? Mike yelled at me, he goes

736
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: enough enough with this Ad storyline. I have been a

737
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: Lakers reporter for however many years, better part of fifteen years,

738
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: and Ads not getting the respect that he deserves. He

739
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: is defensively the best there is. He he had, he

740
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: gave Memphis fits, he gave the Warriors fits, and that

741
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: is why we won. This durable and he's weak is

742
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: a is not true? As a fan like I am,

743
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: what do you feel about a d.

744
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: Uh?

745
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: I think Ad has been unfairly characterized as the type

746
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: of player that he is. People I think always looked

747
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: at him as kind of like Shock, as this offensive force,

748
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: but you know he's more of a defensive force. Even

749
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: at when he was at Kentucky, you know he was

750
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: a defensive phenomenon more than an offense. I think I

751
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: don't think he's as comfortable identity wise offense as his defense.

752
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: And you can tell by how aggressive he is on

753
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: offense when he's in the right frame of mind, he's

754
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: more aggressive, but he's not like that all the time.

755
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: Defense he's always aggressive, Like I think, his identity is

756
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: more comfortable as a as a defensive stopper. That's why

757
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: you can win with Ad scoring fifteen and getting twenty rebounds.

758
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: He doesn't. People always say AD's got to get thirty

759
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: five points of leagues to win. No, I don't he

760
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: got to get If he's getting four blocks in nineteen rebounds,

761
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: I don't care how many points he makes. You know,

762
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: It's like his defensive presence is his identity. His scoring

763
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: is a bonus round as far as I'm concerned. You know,

764
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: but the Lake don't necessarily win if Ad scores thirty

765
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: five points. That's not necessarily true. With some teams, that's true,

766
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: but not necessarily they it's really the complete game. It's

767
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: how much as he's really upsetting the rhythm of that

768
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: other team, whether it's Steph trying to make layups over

769
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: him or whoever. You know, that's to me, is AD's

770
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: biggest value to a champion. We're talking about championship team,

771
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, We're not just talking about what can he

772
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: do in the court. Of course, He's capable of going

773
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: forty or fifty. We know that, But what's his real value.

774
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: His real value is disrupting that other team and being

775
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: a force in there that the team always has to

776
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: think about on offense. I don't care if Ad. I

777
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: only care what Ad does rebounding in black shots an offense.

778
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: That's why we got twelve other players. You know, as

779
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, No.

780
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: I'm in agreement with you. I'm sorry, Like like, go ahead, preach, preach, preach.

781
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: I'm coming to the I'm coming to that realization. Okay, okay, okay, he.

782
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: Was up and down. AD was up and down, and

783
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: go well, who won those games? Though? Look at the

784
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: others debts because maybe they lost that one, but the

785
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: other ones win, win, win, So you're saying he's down,

786
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: But I'm sorry, there's a W in that column. That's

787
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: what you need to be looking at.

788
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: Lakers take on the Denver Nuggets in the Western Conference Finals.

789
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: I believe whatever team advances will be the winner in

790
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 2: the finals. Ultimately, That's what I do believe. I do

791
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: believe the way that they the Denver's currently constructed, in

792
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: the way that Miami is well well, I don't know.

793
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: I think that if Denver meets Boston, Boston might give

794
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: them a run. But there's no answer for Jokic. The

795
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: only answer that I see for Yokich is someone by

796
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: the name of ad And to your point, they have

797
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: to make some adjustments defensively because he can't just let

798
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: Jokic score. Yokic doesn't play defense. He can't just let

799
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: him score. So we have to see how this first

800
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: series plays out. What do you your predictions for the

801
00:40:58,920 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: Western Conference Final?

802
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: Else?

803
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is gonna be a tough series because

804
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: you're right, Joker is no joke, you know, right, he

805
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: is no joke. I agree all the accolades people say

806
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: about him, you know, still really don't do justice. How

807
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: hard he is just to stop, you know. To me,

808
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: the what really helped us in the bubble. Isn't this

809
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: interesting that we have the same bubble teams right now?

810
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: You know, in Johnny, it's kind of cool. But what

811
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: really helped us in that was a couple of their

812
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: players are injured, you know, that type of thing. But

813
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: we got the Joker in foul trouble because remember we

814
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: had Dwight Howard and we had uh, what's his name.

815
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: I always forget people's name. You know, we had those

816
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: two other big who who could Bay you know, he

817
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: played with the Warriors, played with us, he's in Dallas

818
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: or played some room. I always forget his name or

819
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: played thus for a while. But uh yeah, yeah, but

820
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: when you look at that and go, oh, yeah, how

821
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: can I forget his name?

822
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: You know?

823
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 5: Easy?

824
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: But we have two big right, No, but we we

825
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: got Joker in foul trouble during a lot of that series.

826
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: You know, like I wish we had Mobamba playing right now,

827
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, who could get in there and be a body,

828
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: you know, because we need a body on Yokice because

829
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: if Athe is guardian, yokache Ad might get in foul

830
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: trouble and that's going to be very difficult for the Lakers,

831
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: you know. So we don't have a size advantage with

832
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: them the way we've had in these other series. So

833
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: that's going to be the toughest thing. Also, Demper's uh

834
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: other players are really formidable.

835
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: You know.

836
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: When you look at h players, they have really good

837
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: I yes, yes, maybe the fourth best player in the

838
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: team at this point, you know, so and he can

839
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, get nasty at anytime. Them for scout a

840
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: lot of people. You got to pay attention to the Lakers.

841
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: We have some players like that, but ours are a

842
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: little streakier. I don't know if we can count on them,

843
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: uh day to day the way Denver I think can

844
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: count on their players day to day. I think that's

845
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: the big difference. So can the Lakers get hot when

846
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: it matters? Here's when the Lakers need to get hot.

847
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: First game in Denver, uh, the two games in LA

848
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: and then Lebron and Ad need to just control the

849
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: series after that, you know, even in a loss, they

850
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: just need to be, you know, controlling that series. But

851
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: that's the players. Those three are players.

852
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, firty first still a game, games, Yes, still

853
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 5: a game.

854
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: Take it.

855
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 5: Steal a game in Denver, like my you just got

856
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 5: to steal it.

857
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 2: You gotta take that, take that ditty style, take it,

858
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: take it, take it, take a ditty style. We take

859
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: both at home, and then it goes back to the

860
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: one one one format, which will be in our favor.

861
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 5: And that's fine. We'll got it, you know what I mean.

862
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 5: So let me go back to be We just need one,

863
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 5: You just need one. They had k C.

864
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: P Alex Crusoe Rondo, Dwight Howard, Jared Dudley, Oh, Mark,

865
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: Keith Morris. Was that he you referring?

866
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 5: Danny Green?

867
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: Uh?

868
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 5: PJ Tucker? Uh J R.

869
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: Smith, Jannice's brother. I can't coastest ontoo? Dion Waiters.

870
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 5: Were you referring to Kyle Kuzma k CP? No, who

871
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 5: were you referring to?

872
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: No?

873
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: No, big Man, I don't know.

874
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 5: Let's see.

875
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: Let me look big man here. Look, I'm just now

876
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: I'm back into it. I'm all like, who who big Man?

877
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 2: Besides besides I did well, I'm just the main roster

878
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: that they showed us. Okay, So look we had, uh,

879
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the people who played, Clearly, they were

880
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: a lot more. We had Quinn, We had Quinn Cook,

881
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: We had Alex Caruso, who was yeah, yeah, Marcus was

882
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: injured so he didn't play. Yeah, so he wasn't playing.

883
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: I'm going down the list here played for Golden State

884
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: and he played for the Lakers. Big man, Oh, Javelle McGee,

885
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: is that who you're referring? Okay, Jefel McGee, Okay, I

886
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: got to yeah, okay. And even Dennis Shorter little self

887
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: was on there. Okay, Okay, it's a little refresher. Good,

888
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: a little refresher for us both. Now as I wrap,

889
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: because you are saying the Lakers will win the.

890
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: Series, well, I cannot predict the Lakers win on this one,

891
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: I said, confidently the worst. I can't predict it against Denver. Denver.

892
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: Denver's the number one seed.

893
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 5: You know, we did it before, we did it before,

894
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 5: we did it before.

895
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: But they're better this time out. You know, I would say,

896
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: I said, what the blueprint is? The problem is, here's

897
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: the biggest problem caring game five and seven. If it

898
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: goes seven games, that is in my life.

899
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 5: That's not that's not in our favor. If it goes

900
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 5: seven games, in our.

901
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: Favorite's gotta be wasted in that seventh game, he's gonna

902
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: be wasted. Let's be honest about that.

903
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 5: And we're just trying to protect Lebron in his feet

904
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 5: at this point. That's all we care.

905
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: You legs, young legs, young legs, as much as possible.

906
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, hope. Look, I'll put it like this, if

907
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: we beat Denver, rings, it's for your ring, for your

908
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: rain my ring.

909
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, but you're not ready to give

910
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 2: it to You're like me, I'm on the fence. I'm

911
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: not ready because I wouldn't be I can't. I wouldn't

912
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: be a realist. That would mean I've watched no basketball,

913
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: so I can't do that.

914
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: Real First, we got yeah, real first.

915
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 4: First, every champion and carry champions to be a champion,

916
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 4: a champion and carry champion and Cary Chat be a

917
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 4: champion and Cary Champion.

918
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: And carry Chat. It's the sports and entertainment connect it work, Harry.

919
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 4: Champion and carry champion is going to be a champion,

920
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 4: a champion and carry champion, thet a champion, the Cary Champion,

921
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 4: they car with chat.

922
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 3: Make it work.

923
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So, speaking of keep it real, I know in

924
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three we announced we as in. You and

925
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 2: I got together and announced your new TV show that's

926
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 2: coming out lately. Congratulations we announced it together. Well, it's

927
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: not at that point, so because I know it's you're

928
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: it's you're in development and development.

929
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, So.

930
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 2: The question is when can we see you back in

931
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: TV in that capacity with the writers strike and every

932
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: and and and other variables. Does it look like this

933
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: might be pushed to win? When can I start forecasting?

934
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, you know, the business. Yeah,

935
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: but things like if your sitcom gets picked up, you

936
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: just don't know. So it's not at that stage where

937
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: it's where it's premature to talk about the show in

938
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 2: that way at this point, because you know, we haven't

939
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: even shot a pilot that I have several projects that

940
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 2: are here's the thing. After a strike, they can just

941
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 2: choose not to do shows that are on the air

942
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: right now and counsel those. There's so much up in

943
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: the air. But to answer the other question, I would

944
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: like to return to television in some form, whether it's

945
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: that show or something else. You know, I do like

946
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: for me, I have a lot of fans out there,

947
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 2: you know, like seeing stuff and want to see me

948
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: do more things. I might do something closer to the

949
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 2: election that's political, maybe in the talk show type of thing,

950
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: because I like doing that type of thing. And I

951
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: might do some more live shows out for the people, as.

952
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: We say, And I'm always developing behind the scenes, you know,

953
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: with different people and that kind of stuff too, So

954
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: always doing the multiple things. But you can't. I wish

955
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: I had better answer to that. You know, you just

956
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: can pull over that stuff, and.

957
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: That requires an incredible amount of yeah, incredible amount of

958
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: patience that you have and our and in my business

959
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: to to to a certain point. But it's like so

960
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: frustrating because we have to wait on everything to fall

961
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 2: a certain way, and it requires you to have other

962
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: Now my business is doing the same, requires you to

963
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: have other outlets. But the point being is that I

964
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: feel like, and I say this from the bottom of

965
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: my heart, your humor, your wit, and quite frankly, just

966
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: some sensible conversation is missed, especially in the political arena.

967
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: I think as we get ready to see this orange

968
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: face man try to take over again, it would be

969
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: nice to have someone who can who can speak truth

970
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 2: to power and still provide us with a bit of

971
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: comedy relief, because if you don't laugh, you'll cry at

972
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: the situation.

973
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

974
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: Yes, the tangerine d I mean is what I call ye? Yes, yes,

975
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: the orange Julia is caesu do you Yeah, I agree

976
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: with that. And you know, I'm very fortunate. I have

977
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: a lot of different levers that I can push, you know,

978
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: and go into. So that's one of them that I

979
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: have a lot of fans that really like to hear

980
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: from me. So I'm really fortunate in that, and I

981
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: haven't been doing a lot of wig ins of my

982
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: podcasts have just been doing the interviews because things have

983
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: just been so divisive out there. But I am going

984
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: to start doing more and speaking out more and some

985
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: things because I know a lot of people want to

986
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: hear that. I'm actually doing the class day speech at

987
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: Harvard next week. You know, it's it's like the commencement speech,

988
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: but this is chosen by the students, So that was

989
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: kind of nice that they chose me to be their

990
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: class Congratulations.

991
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 2: Congratulations, congratulations mister Harvard.

992
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: You know some of some of us, some of us

993
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: go to Dubai. Some of us go, what can we do?

994
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 5: What can one do? You know, what can one do?

995
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: I forgot the last time we talked, before you give

996
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: over the show, Beyonce had blessed me with Dubai. I'm

997
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: going to I'm going to London to see her in

998
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. So I'll keep you posting it too. Yeah, you,

999
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: I'm going to invite you to one of these shows

1000
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 2: so you can have this experience with me, Larry, because

1001
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 2: the reality is, once you do one of these shows,

1002
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: you're like, I see why, I'm like you want to

1003
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 2: be better, Larry, I'm not kidding you. The queen so

1004
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: she started a concert this, yeah, it's but yes, we've

1005
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 2: got to step on out of our environment. You can't

1006
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: sit in your natural box that you have and watch her.

1007
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 2: You always go to stuff and I ain't so far

1008
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: a new experience. You season ticket holder for the Rams.

1009
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 2: You got to be able to move out of that location.

1010
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 2: I'm a hater. I'm jealous because you've never invited me,

1011
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: and I'm hating. Do you feel that hate out of

1012
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: that animosity for no reason at all? Man, I'm always

1013
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: available for home opener, if needed, friend, if needed, whatever, whatever,

1014
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: Thank you, I'm available Amazon.

1015
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: Right. Aren't you doing?

1016
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: No?

1017
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's Thursday night Football. We don't do

1018
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: well this year. We might do some coordination with Thursday

1019
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: night Football. It's much more of a coordinated effort. But

1020
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: I don't want to do a while working. I want

1021
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: to be able to throw something back and talk trash.

1022
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: Is is ESPN like newtered now? No? It's not. I

1023
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: think that's now with.

1024
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 5: No No, what do you mean? I'm sorry. I don't

1025
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 5: mean to cut you off. I thought you got for

1026
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 5: me to work there.

1027
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: What do you mean Newter, Well, no, I remember, well,

1028
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: you know, you know, Jamel famously had a lot of

1029
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: kind of a running with them and that kind of

1030
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 1: stuff there. You know, seem like they have more content

1031
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: on their show talking about these issues. Now. It seems

1032
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: a little more straightforward sports. Again, That's what it just

1033
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: feels like to me. But there's not as much. It

1034
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like it's there's as much there's you know,

1035
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: when politics are talking about, it's really connected to something

1036
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: that actually happened in sports as opposed to you know,

1037
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: issues or that type of thing you.

1038
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: Said, is it neutered, Yes, one percent. They have a

1039
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: Jamel Hill rule in place, like one percent, there's a

1040
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: Jamel Hill rule in place exactly that. Yeah, it's a

1041
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: social media like no tweeting about politics. No, And a

1042
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: part of that is is disheartening considering the time in

1043
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: which we live. This We're an unprecedented time, so I

1044
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: don't believe the old rules can apply, and it to

1045
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 2: me is essentially saying take away your blackness and work

1046
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: like I can't live in this in this country as

1047
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: a person of color and not feel affected by what

1048
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: I see day in and day out. And sometimes you

1049
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 2: can't separate the artists from the art, but sometimes you

1050
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: have to so you can say what you feel. It

1051
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: just feels like an obligation, Like even if I wasn't

1052
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 2: an anchor, I still would be like, huh no, let's

1053
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 2: go march, Like how dare how dare you take away

1054
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: and marginalize my experience? And unfortunately, I don't think that

1055
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: these companies have figured out a way to allow that

1056
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: to be. You definitely can't talk about it on GMA.

1057
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 2: You definitely can't talk about it on today's show. Also know,

1058
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 2: they make you. They control your hair and what you wear,

1059
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 2: and how much makeup you wear, how long your lashes

1060
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: are like it's a very very like cookie cutter environment

1061
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: and they don't want to rock the boat and anything

1062
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: that feels edgy is scary to them.

1063
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 5: You know this better than I know.

1064
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: This is think.

1065
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: The great Larry Wilmore, thank you for taking it hour.

1066
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: I was only going to do thirty minutes, and I

1067
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: can past. I ran past all your time. Thank you,

1068
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 2: my love.

1069
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 5: I appreciate you, Kri, thanks so much.

1070
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: It's always so nice to talk to you. I appreciate you.

1071
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate you all the time. So I love seeing

1072
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: you out doing what you do.

1073
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 5: This hustling to hustle. I will text you and tell

1074
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 5: you Lakers and six one more time. We got to start.

1075
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: We have to start texting each other during these games.

1076
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Speaker 2: We got we gotta keep it in the family than together.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you got it.

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Speaker 1: If you're tweeting, I'll see your tweets and I'll answer

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Speaker 1: some of that stuff, like we're tweeting back. Live tweeting

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Speaker 1: be fun.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Live tweeting is the best.

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Speaker 2: I forget to repat because there's so much hate in

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Speaker 2: the tweet so in my response, so I just try

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Speaker 2: to do I just try to.

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Speaker 1: I'll defend you.

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Speaker 5: You're like, leave her alone, You're so mean.

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Speaker 3: I can't.

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Speaker 5: I can't even get into it. So I'm like, what's happening.

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Speaker 1: Bring on the Laker hate. I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Bring Larry Wilmore on the podcast today. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being naked. You can put your clothes back on.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Gang.

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Speaker 2: I forgot to mention this as we wrap up this podcast.

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Speaker 2: We all already know that I am a diehard Laker fan.

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Speaker 2: I did not I did not say something at the

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Speaker 2: top of this podcast that I wanted to. I wanted

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Speaker 2: to really, really make sure that we pay attention to

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Speaker 2: greatness and greatness fatigue. I believe that although we know

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Speaker 2: Lebron is great, he does not get his just too.

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Speaker 2: I feel as if people are like, well, he's old,

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Speaker 2: he's old. The man has been great for twenty years.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes the part of being great is just being consistent.

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Speaker 2: The enemy of excellence is a good job. The enemy

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Speaker 2: of excellence is great job. If you do a great job,

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Speaker 2: you're not excellent.

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Speaker 5: Isn't that crazy?

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Speaker 2: And what you and I often fail to remember is

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Speaker 2: that Lebron is always excellent. The fact that he's able

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Speaker 2: to get his teams teams that were i e. My

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Speaker 2: Lakers two and ten at the beginning of the year

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Speaker 2: with less than a thirty percent chance to make any

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Speaker 2: type of playoffs. He has this team in the Western

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Speaker 2: Conference Finals, and while he may not have been the

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Speaker 2: person to make the shots, the team moves as he moves.

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Speaker 2: So I want to make sure that if you know

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Speaker 2: anybody in your life who's consistently excellent, acknowledge them. Just

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Speaker 2: acknowledge them, Just say you know what, You're consistently excellent.

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Speaker 2: You're consistently doing above and beyond. You're consistently better than

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Speaker 2: just great, because being consistent is the hardest thing you

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Speaker 2: can do in life, in any aspect of your life.

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Speaker 2: And so I think lebron Hell for that. Man, I

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Speaker 2: think Beyonce. I think her too, because she is consistently excellent.

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Speaker 2: And when you see people like that, you know it

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Speaker 2: can be done, and it just should motivate you. It

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Speaker 2: should make you want to be consistent at something, not

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Speaker 2: necessarily singing or dancing or playing basketball, but something be

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Speaker 2: consistent and be excellent. That's my Ted talk. I will

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Speaker 2: talk to you all next week.

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Speaker 1: Bye.