1 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: In my last monologue, I talked about kids being on 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: their screens too much and how that messes them up. 4 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: They expect to be entertained every minute of every day. 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: They don't know how to relate to other people. I 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: see it all the time. Then they grow up and 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: they still don't know how to connect. 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 2: We see this everywhere. 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: I think this is a big part of why dating 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: sucks so bad for everyone. I hear from single people 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: a lot that it's just terrible out there. There's this 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: meme that asks whether married millennials realize they have caught 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: the equivalent of the last chopper out of nam and 14 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: I do think married people happily married people. We do 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: feel very lucky to not have to date in this 16 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: insane environment. I'm going to say the most old lady 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: thing I can say, though it's supposed to be fun. 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: If it's not fun, something is very wrong. It's supposed 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: to be fun being young and meeting people and seeing 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: what you like and don't like in a potential partner. 21 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: And I can see that it's obviously not fun right now. 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: And this old lady thinks that it's the screens that 23 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: have done this. People treat dating like a video game. 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: The swiping, it just takes away that element of reality. 25 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: And I'm not even anti swiping. I'm really not. If 26 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: you're using it to meet people in real life, then 27 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: that's great, But the swiping sometimes becomes the whole ballgame. 28 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: And I see people fall into this all the time. 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: People swipe and chat online and they never actually meet, 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: and this is the problem. There was an article in 31 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: New York magazine recently about how terrible dating has become 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: and the explosion of women crying about their dating lives 33 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: on TikTok. So first of all, I would advise against 34 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: posting videos of yourself crying online. I get the argument that, oh, 35 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: other people who are sad can connect to you, and 36 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: the woman in the article the New York Magazine article 37 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: actually said that so many other women reached out to her, 38 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: But really, you become what you do, and if you're sad, 39 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: this sad, perpetually single person crying about your life on 40 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: the internet, it becomes far harder to get out of that. 41 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: The New York Magazine piece opens with a woman in 42 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: Austin who goes out alone trying to meet someone. She 43 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: goes to a bar, then she goes to a comedy show. 44 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: I thought this woman might be on vacation in Austin 45 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: or something, but no, she lives there. And the loneliness 46 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: of it all, going out alone to a comedy show, 47 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: having no one to laugh with, it's just really depressing. 48 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: I think step one, if you're in that situation, has 49 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: to be making a friend to do this way with. 50 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: It's crazy that it even needs to be said, but 51 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: that's exactly what breaks us with this constant screen usage. 52 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: It's us and our device, and who even needs someone else? 53 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: But we need other people. We need friends. 54 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: You know, the. 55 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: Idea of going out there and trying to meet someone 56 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: on your own, I can't even imagine how much more 57 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: difficult that is without a friend by your side. If 58 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: I could offer a piece of advice to single people, 59 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: it would be to try to have an analog summer. 60 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: Try no swiping, try no scrolling. 61 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: It's hard. 62 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: I know it's hard, but do two months July and 63 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: August with just trying to meet people in real life. 64 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from anyone who does this and 65 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: how it works out. I know it's hard to disconnect. 66 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: I find it incredibly difficult myself. But if you want 67 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: to meet someone, I really do think this is the way. 68 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't use social media at all or 69 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: don't use your phone at all, but limit it as 70 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: much as you can, and don't do any of the 71 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: dating apps. At the same time. Let your friends know 72 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: you're doing an analog dating summer and ask them to 73 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: set you up, especially older friends and yes, maybe even 74 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: your mom. Let the good people in your life know 75 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: you're looking to meet someone and go on the blind 76 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: dates they set up for you. Maybe that won't be 77 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: a love connection, but maybe it'll lead you to one 78 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: you really don't know. That's how life is supposed to go. 79 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: And I know we're old and we don't know anything 80 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: and everything has changed, but we new to catch that 81 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: last chopper out. So maybe give our advice to try 82 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: two months off no apps analog summer. 83 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: Let me know how it goes. 84 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: Coming up next and interview with Charles Cook. Join us 85 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: after the break. Hi, and welcome back to the Carol 86 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Charlie Cook. 87 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: Senior editor at Nash Review and host of the Charles C. W. 88 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 2: Cook Podcast. Hi Charlie, so nice to have you on. 89 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me so Charles C. W. Cook Podcast 90 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: very very formal with that podcast name. 91 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 3: You know why, I can tell you the whole tell. 92 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: Me the whole story. Let's go. Let's start here. 93 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. When I first moved to America, I wrote for 94 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 3: the third two or three months on the Charlie Duck Well, 95 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 3: the famous Charlie Duck Poulter. 96 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 4: Oh, I was gonna say the soccer player, because I 97 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 4: googled to see what I was missing, you know, and 98 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 4: I discovered that there was a famous British. 99 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: Soccer player that too, but I think he retired in 100 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 3: the seventies, so that one's less of a problem mom Google. 101 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 3: But the problem was that people would google Charlie Tuck. 102 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: And then I started giving the tema saying, hey, on 103 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 3: a minute, aren't you a polster? Why are you the 104 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 3: right wing? Now? Well it's the jefferent Charlie Cook. And 105 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 3: then he started getting eight mile intended for me. But 106 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: I thought, you know what I'll do? Are you birth 107 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 3: middle names at the natchel? And then no, and be confused? 108 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 3: And I had that we were with the podcast when 109 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 3: I launched it. I noted that people were googling Charity 110 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 3: w Cook podcast to find my old podcast, But I 111 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: love you. 112 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 2: I'll give it to them people what they want. That's 113 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: exactly so you are. No, you were British and now 114 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: you're American. That's right, Still sound British? 115 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, very much there. 116 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 4: So you know I'm an immigrant too, but I'm very 117 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 4: interested in people who leave normal places, like you know, 118 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 4: I left the Soviet Union like it wasn't really much 119 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 4: of a decision, but you you know, left Britain, came 120 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 4: to America and then became an American. What made you 121 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 4: take that leap? You could have just stayed a British 122 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 4: citizen living here, right. 123 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I had made me that one you just made. 124 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: Often when I talked to audience is about it. For 125 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: a couple of reasons. First, because I don't want to 126 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 3: steal the valor of people who come from terrible place, 127 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 3: you know, to whom America is obviously paradise because they 128 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 3: were being killed or living under parity. So I always 129 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: want to separate myself from those people and make exactly 130 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: the point you just did it, which is that I 131 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: could stay where I was. I'm quite happy in say, 132 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 3: but I also think that it underscores how wonderful America is. 133 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: If you can come to America for a good factory 134 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: country that did great and democratic Britain or Fra or 135 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: Australia and still love it with a great passion. And 136 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 3: they had to say something about America, and that was 137 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: where I was. I like Britain. My family's there, my 138 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 3: friends are there. It's a good country. But I, for 139 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: some reason, long before I had any politics, always loves 140 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: America when we would come as a kid, there's just 141 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: something about America that appeels. Probably first this is the weather. 142 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 3: We went to Florida, California and Arizona, the three places 143 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: we used to visit. We had family friends in California 144 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: and Arizona and Florida, Disney World and your kids, and 145 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 3: I just liked the private with sunny and there were 146 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 3: palm trees. But it's also the dynamite. Before you get 147 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: to any political question, you can just feel it. It 148 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 3: is a much more open, friendly, dynamic place and it 149 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: just resonated with me for every since I was really young. 150 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 3: I think that was forbaby four years old and I said, 151 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 3: when I grow up, I want to live in America, 152 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: which course throw my parents. So but yeah, I always 153 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 3: been there, and I mean the political side of it. 154 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: I didn't respective politically, but that did come later. 155 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: Interesting. So how old were you when you moved here? 156 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 3: Twenty six? 157 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 2: And no regrets. Never I thought like. 158 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 3: Now, it's funny that I met my now wife within 159 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 3: about four months of moving. Yeah. And sometimes people say, 160 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: all right, so you just married her because you wanted 161 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: to be in America. No, hey, you. 162 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: Were did the green card? 163 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 3: Now I know I didn't get my green card brunner. 164 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 3: I got it through work. But to be honest with you, 165 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 3: I actually wanted the which was I had this great 166 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 3: opportunity to write a national review. It's an intern and 167 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 3: the last thing that I wanted to do is get 168 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: into a serious like so I wanted to work right, 169 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: and so you know when it happened to happen, Yeah. 170 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 2: You don't have a lot of control. 171 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 4: What are you going to do? 172 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: No? No, but yeah, day I regretted it. And now 173 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: it's a funny question because occasionally people say, well, will 174 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 3: you go back? And not only do I not want to, 175 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 3: but my job is to my kids are here, that 176 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 3: school is here, my house is it to me, is 177 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 3: now one of the things that that hit at that. 178 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. 179 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 4: Now, I mean, despite your accent, I see you as 180 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 4: very American. So I you know, in thinking about this interview, 181 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 4: I went back and looked through your book, The Conservatorian 182 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 4: is So is it like a decade old actually didn't 183 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 4: look up. 184 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 3: When we were nine? 185 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, nine years old? 186 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 4: Do you like, do you still hear yourself in it? 187 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 4: Do you still feel like it represents you? 188 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think the book is interesting because there are 189 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 3: some predictions in it that were wrong, and then there 190 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 3: is some predictions in that that they're not only right, 191 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: but that and nailed. 192 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, immigrate and I think you now, yeah. 193 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: But also the rise of than isolating the streak in 194 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 3: the Republican Party. The thing that I obviously got wrong, 195 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 3: and I don't think that even fault me for half 196 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: of it, but you can forever the thing that I 197 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: obviously got wrong was it was written in twenty fourteen, 198 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: and so it doesn't in any way and fit the 199 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 3: page shocks right. And so if you look at the 200 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: predictions for the future of politics in America over the 201 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: next decade, so something, and you just can't reconcile that 202 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 3: with reality it created EFL creates this fantasy world. But 203 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: so I don't did. That's my fault because who knew that, right? 204 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: Right? 205 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 3: I do think though what I've missed, and maybe I 206 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 3: got a the sideways with the immigrats and chapter and 207 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 3: the chapter on foreign policy. But what I admit and 208 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: didn't see coming with the populist turn, I thought that 209 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 3: that populism would continue in the vein that it had 210 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: been in at that point for four years and would 211 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 3: continue to be the especially in winter twenty fourteen at 212 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: the tea party. But that's not what happened. That movement 213 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: got consumed into Trump and Magnar. 214 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: Right, doan know when he did? I don't think that 215 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: was I'm pay it all. 216 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: But yeah, I still I still think I'm we think 217 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 3: what in there? I don't really think I've changed. I'm 218 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 3: probably And then a little bit. Let's have a layer 219 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 3: about drug legalizations in my wall same. 220 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: Actually, so I didn't reread it, but I read it 221 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 2: at the time and I. 222 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 4: Just flipped through it, you know, in preparation for this, 223 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, yeah, I've changed on the 224 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 4: drug thing. 225 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 3: Now. 226 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 2: I wonder if you had. 227 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 4: As well, But yeah, you immigration, I think you really 228 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 4: nailed in it. You were like, you know, you're not 229 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 4: supposed to be a drain on the system, and if 230 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 4: we continue this path, like it's going to get very bad. 231 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, And I was right asadly get marriage 232 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: because I said that would just a pair of people 233 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 3: would still care about abortion, and that was I think 234 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: that's probably crue. The drupping is an eighty one because 235 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 3: I still think that I'm balance. I don't want the 236 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: lord that where I was wrong. 237 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 4: I. 238 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: Considered that to be left social downside to drugs that 239 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 3: I now think that there is. I didn't know that 240 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 3: Neil could be everywhere, would start a weak and fentannel 241 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 3: hadn't yet entered my vocabulary. And it's not a perfect analogy. 242 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 3: But if you analogize that with hard drugs like heroin, 243 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: which I say in the book shouldn't be illegal, and 244 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 3: there really is an enormous social cast to it, that 245 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: I've underestimated. The last thing. 246 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 2: No, to be fair to. 247 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 4: You and to me, because I also held those kind 248 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 4: of similar ideas. I never said, like, let's make weed 249 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 4: smoking legal in the streets of New York City. You know, 250 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 4: I was just saying because I grew up in Brooklyn. 251 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 4: You know, everybody smoked weed in our teen years, and 252 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 4: like police used to like chase us down, and you know, 253 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 4: we'd be like in somebody's backyard, and I just it 254 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 4: was all kinds of like you know, police activity around 255 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 4: pot smoking in Brooklyn that was completely unnecessary. And so 256 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 4: I saw stuff like that, like, okay, don't invest these kids, 257 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 4: who are you know, smoking on private property or you know, 258 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: even like in a empty park or whatever, but not 259 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 4: like walking down Fifth Avenue. 260 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: I never said that we should do that. So and similarly, 261 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: even the hard stuff. 262 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 4: You know, if somebody's an attict, I don't necessarily think 263 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 4: they should be arrested. But I also don't think that 264 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 4: Portland should be you know, handing out heroin. 265 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: I didn't, you know, I have there might. 266 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 4: Be like a happy medium here that we did not try. 267 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 4: So you know, I don't feel a lot of responsibility 268 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 4: for how far they took it, but I do feel 269 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 4: responsibility that I of course, you know, kind of argued 270 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 4: ideas that they then took way too far. 271 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: And I feel. 272 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 4: Similarly about like bail, Like I thought bail was too 273 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 4: high in New York City, but I never said it 274 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 4: should be zero, like that's crazy. 275 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well the public won't be one. Is a 276 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 3: great point, be coach. You're not allowed to walk down 277 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: Fifth Avenue with. 278 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: A cocktail or a beer or anything. 279 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: Right. The difference, and this is where propretivism just becoming 280 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: inscrutable to me. The difference in the way that tobacco, 281 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 3: cigarette and weed are treated across the country, especially in 282 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: blue jurisdictions where they go much further than in red days. 283 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: There are all manner of laws about where you can smoke. 284 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 3: They don't apply to weed, and that I guess I 285 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 3: just didn't think about because to me it would be 286 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 3: all be. If you're going to prevent people from smoking 287 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: at someone, you would prevent them from smoking weed. If 288 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 3: you're going to prevent them from drinking somewhere you were 289 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: prevalent from spoken way, but we haven't. So it's had 290 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: these strange confer I thought that you're right, it's not 291 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: our faults to stay summer. 292 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: I fully don't you know. I don't blame us. I 293 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: just want to have that on her book. So what 294 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: kind of stuff do you like to write about? What 295 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: is your like, what would you consider your beat? Right now? 296 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 3: Well, what is not My beat right now is the 297 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: election is coming out because they just find it depressing. 298 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 3: And I'm not really sure at this point is how 299 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 3: much more to write about the two people who are involved. 300 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: I like writing about law I think I'm a frustrated lawyer. 301 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: I don't want to be a lawyer, because every lawyer 302 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 3: I know that they don't want to be a lawyer. Yeah. 303 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 3: I quite like to have a law degree so that 304 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 3: people wouldn't shout at me, you don't have a law degree. 305 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 3: Rather the read what I've. 306 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: Written, so they're going to shout it anyway. 307 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So I like covering the Supreme Court and 308 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 3: then associated legal political questions, separation of power, the Bill 309 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 3: of Rights, the federal system. I'm incident speech, speech and 310 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 3: culture just the biggest issue of our time. I think 311 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 3: that the paradox in American life at the moment is 312 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 3: that we have the most robust free feet protection legally 313 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: in the world. It's not even closed. And they are 314 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,239 Speaker 3: more robustly protected by the Court than they have been 315 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 3: at any point in American history. And if you were 316 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: to look at it continuum and say pen legally, the 317 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 3: best point of the speech in the history of the 318 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 3: United States, you just have to put now, you know, 319 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 3: one hundred years ago we had the Wilson Eiro, the 320 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 3: Tradition Act as PI in our dad. Before that, they 321 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 3: were all manner of restrictions on what you could say 322 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 3: about slavery. Federally, we had the gag rules, but in 323 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 3: the States you could be arrested. But emancipation talk. And 324 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: then up until the seventies there were a lot of 325 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 3: rules as well the federal level, and in the States 326 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 3: they've gone. But at the moment that we've done that, 327 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 3: we have this culture that horrendously censorious and try to 328 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 3: redefine these words like diverse and inclusive and tolerant to 329 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 3: me the opposite of what they actually need. So, I mean, 330 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 3: this is a perennial issue, but this is something I 331 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 3: like to write about for a while. And then then 332 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: the Second Amendments is a big topic of mind because 333 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 3: I find the idea that the Second Amendments that doesn't 334 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 3: protected individual right to be the equivalent of Landing truth 335 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: or ism. It's just absolutely stupid. It's not I think 336 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: that Americans think on average America for the individual rights 337 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 3: and tempertation, but our elite cloud is the death of 338 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 3: the stupid idea. So that needs to be written about 339 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 3: a lot. But you know that, I think, and then 340 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 3: day to day politics when it's left earlier. 341 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 4: You know, I have to tell you, I think you 342 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 4: had a major influence on my fairly apolitical husband on 343 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 4: the Second Amendment. He heard you speak a long time ago. 344 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: Now, he was pretty not anti gun, but we grew 345 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: up in New York City. Like guns are bad is the. 346 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 4: You know, default position even among kind of right leaning people. 347 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: But yeah, you you were definitely like the gateway drug 348 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 2: for him. He carries every day now, so he's he's 349 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: made a shift night. 350 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 3: That's a huge shift. Yeah. So it's in Florida that 351 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: I've made that as easy as possible. 352 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 2: Right, So you also led the way on Florida. 353 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 4: You were an early adopter on the whole free state 354 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 4: of Florida thing. 355 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: You moved down? When did you move to Florida? 356 00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: Trank of seventeen head? 357 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 2: You really are You were the early the pioneer. And 358 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: so what have you enjoyed it? What do you think? 359 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 3: Well? I love it. I love it. It's a wonderful 360 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: place to live. And the people who hate it should 361 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 3: continue to do so and say, well they said, we 362 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 3: moved down into a different state in some sense than 363 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 3: it is now. In another sense, Florida is the same 364 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 3: if it ever was, because so much of what is 365 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 3: good about Florida is now permanent. It's in the constitution. No, 366 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 3: he comes back the way that the state works fundamentally, 367 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 3: as it has for a long time. But we were 368 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: down twenty seventeen because we couldn't afford to live in 369 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 3: the northeast anymore, and we were just about to have 370 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 3: a second tart and we wanted to weather. It affected 371 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 3: me that I didn't really need to be up in 372 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 3: the northeast because they're the writer, okay, And so we 373 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 3: moved down. But at the time in Florida was the 374 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 3: fifty to fifty stay and Trump could won it, but 375 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 3: Obama won it twice. And the most recent subernatorial election 376 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 3: has been one twenty fourteen, and it Republican wait by 377 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 3: one point. And I had to turn out that the 378 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 3: third election we voted in twenty eighteen would also be 379 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 3: very close. Rick got one by tenthout vote one by 380 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 3: thirty and the Democrats had a registration advantage, although a 381 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 3: lot of those Democrats were really Republican traditionally been Democrats, 382 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 3: and we came down here and we loved it for 383 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 3: the weather and the environment and how friendly everyone was 384 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 3: and so on, and we thought, well, it's a frinth day. 385 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: It's better than where we were in the northeast, and 386 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 3: then told it and then you suddenly had this separation 387 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 3: between Florida and a few other days. Georgia is another one, 388 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 3: and where we had come from. And after a while, 389 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 3: the descriptions of daily life that we would hear from 390 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 3: our friends back in Connecticut in New York, which is dailien, 391 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 3: it's supplicated, we didn't have any descriptions in Florida. There 392 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 3: was a real four months period where life is a 393 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 3: bit weird and then the way yeah, and we said, Mike, 394 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 3: goodness me were we lucky? And it looks touch wood 395 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 3: I did a lot of the consequences of that have 396 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 3: changed Florida in the long run, because now that there 397 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 3: were a million Republican voter advanceages here and there is 398 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 3: an attitude here that is informed by a lot of 399 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 3: people who moved in from other places. And I said, well, no, 400 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 3: I like my refuge. You're not changing it back, We're 401 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 3: not losing. 402 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 2: It, right, Yeah, I think a lot of the people, 403 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: I mean not a lot. 404 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 4: I think that the majority, the great majority of the 405 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 4: people that moved during this COVID time came here for 406 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 4: the ideology. 407 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: It wasn't the taxes or the weather or any of that. 408 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 4: It was very much, I want to be part of 409 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 4: this free thing that's going on. 410 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 3: Right. No, I agree, And it's a tangible I mean 411 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 3: either word ideology. There is that, but it's tangible for people. 412 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: The number of friends we have who came down and 413 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 3: then their kids were back in school and they were 414 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 3: sitting in Philadelphia, unable to take their children to school, 415 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 3: unable to go out. One of our friends told me 416 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: that the moment where they said, you know what we've done, 417 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 3: we have to move, was that they took the kid 418 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 3: there to Kick fil A and got drive through Kick 419 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: fil A, and one of their three sons said that 420 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 3: this was the best day of the year, right because 421 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 3: they'd just been pitting at home and everyone was marked 422 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 3: up if they was at school, and and he said, 423 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 3: well that that's just no way to have a top. Yeah, 424 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 3: I love kick, but say not the best daily going 425 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 3: through the drive through window until we moved two weeks later. 426 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 3: And you try and try what Florida wasn't is away 427 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 3: from those people, and you'll be. 428 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 4: Exactly right, I think, especially I you know, I mean, 429 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 4: I'm obviously an evangelist for the state, but even all 430 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 4: the people that I've met are just so passionate about 431 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 4: the state and maintaining it as this like beacon of 432 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 4: freedom and not letting it change. I think it's it's 433 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 4: kind of it feels, you know, like a movement, like 434 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 4: a revolution or something. 435 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: It definitely feels like you're part of something here. 436 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 3: Very much there, very much there, and people who lived 437 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 3: here a long time before COVID, which I didn't to 438 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 3: say that. It is true that the state for the 439 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 3: third time helped dive left an identity, not that it 440 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 3: was a more food before, but you know, Hexta has 441 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 3: an identity, you know what that is? Right? I mean, 442 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 3: I would think it's when I go to Fra that 443 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: and speak to the friend. The friends think that America. 444 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish, but it's not. It's not. 445 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: New York have an identity. New York knows what it is. 446 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 3: And it seems to me now that Florida has that too. 447 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: It's great, right, I absolutely agree. 448 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 4: I think that other Florida didn't have an identity before, 449 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 4: but it has a very strong identity now. 450 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: And it's me so good. 451 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 452 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. 453 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 4: So you write about, you know, all this different stuff. 454 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 4: What do you think is our largest cultural issue? Like 455 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 4: what what do you what are you most worried about? 456 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 3: I am most worried about whose things that are probably related? 457 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: The first I had am raced in ten minutes ago, 458 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 3: which is the notion that speeches violence or that it 459 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: needs to be it needs to be glued to action 460 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 3: when it's not. And the second is the development of 461 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 3: the ideology that you see encapsulated in the sixteen nineteen projects. 462 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 3: And what that does is poisoned America. The advocates of 463 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 3: the sixty nineteen project here you say that and say 464 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 3: you just don't want to accept the downside of American history, 465 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 3: and that's absolutely nonsense. I're right about them all the time. 466 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 3: America has the most beautiful founding method, which he felt 467 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: to live up to the United States was hypocritical. The 468 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 3: abomination that with slavery will always be a stained on 469 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 3: its story. And the consequence of this slavery were not 470 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 3: equally as bad. We're also terrible segregations in redlining, prevative racism, 471 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 3: and the rest. I have no problem talking about that. 472 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 3: I have no problem teaching my children. Now. What I 473 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 3: will not be teaching my children, and what I do 474 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 3: not want my children to be told, is that the 475 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 3: United States and the life, that the people who wrote 476 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 3: the Decoration of Independent didn't believe it, and that Frederick 477 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 3: Douglas with a Jews, that the Confederacy ultimately was right, 478 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 3: which is where you end up with right if you 479 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 3: take that view, that the United States was indeed found 480 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 3: on the principle that men are not equal, and that 481 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 3: the natural condition of non white people is at slade, 482 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: that is fault. And the reason America got better over 483 00:27:53,640 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: time was because this north Star, the founding, was accepted 484 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 3: to all. I am worried that the sixteen nineteen project 485 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 3: view of the world is pervadive in any circle that 486 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: it did, because to me, what that does when it prevails, 487 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 3: it takes away the means of improvement and it leaves 488 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 3: people with nothing. It's just pure nighs. And I don't 489 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 3: believe that. I mean, I believe in all the Americans 490 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 3: stuff you can't fit. But over the other side of 491 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 3: the rim, above my desk, I have a copy of 492 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 3: the Decorations of Independence. When I became a citizen. You know, 493 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 3: we all put up our right hand, or twenty eight 494 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 3: of us in the real all from different places. I 495 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 3: was the only bread we had Japan, Cuba and Italy 496 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: and Australia and Ghana, and we all put up our hands, 497 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: and we all waved up flags. Will recited those and yeah, 498 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 3: we haven't believed a word of it. It would have 499 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 3: been chemical and dangerous. But I did, and so did 500 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 3: everyone else far as I can see. So that friends, 501 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 3: And of course the obstit of it on a practical 502 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 3: level is to teach people to hate each other, not 503 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 3: to see each other as peers, but to see each 504 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 3: other if race rival, this has to be stamped out. 505 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 3: Lie has to be stacked out. 506 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 2: Do you have hope that it will be well? 507 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 3: I do, because I think people hate it. I just 508 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: worry about its influence in our elite levels, or I 509 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 3: think it's very popular, But I think the average American 510 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 3: hates it. If you look for example of the affirmative 511 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 3: action case, it was eighty percent popular. It was more 512 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 3: popular than social security that affirmative action case. Yeah, people 513 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 3: just don't like the idea of dividing us up into 514 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 3: groups of discrimination and website. They do believe that affirmative 515 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 3: action is wrong because the women have created equal and 516 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 3: that that's what the Constitution, at least in three construction 517 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 3: is football. No, I don't think it's going to be 518 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 3: a problem to convince Americans a bit, but it is 519 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 3: really deep seated now in our academic institution to treating 520 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 3: the incorporation and government, especially in the bureaucracy. That's where 521 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: we need to get rid of it. 522 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's going to take a while. I 523 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: just I do. 524 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 4: I'm also optimistic that it ends, but it's like all 525 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 4: the people who I just the pendulum is swinging, but 526 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 4: it's going to take quite a bit to get that 527 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 4: elite kind of mindset out of their positions of power. 528 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: And so I'm hopeful sometimes about it. 529 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 4: Other other days I'm like, this is all going to 530 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 4: go really badly for a while. 531 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: But ultimately, I mean, you know, America, I just see 532 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: it as like the last great hope. 533 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 4: So if we can't fix it here, the rest of 534 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 4: the world in trouble too. 535 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 2: So you have this, you know, great purch at the 536 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 2: National Review. 537 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 4: You are an American by choice, You get to be 538 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 4: a Floridian, I mean best you know of all. 539 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: You have this amazing family. We didn't get to talk 540 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 2: enough about that. Do you feel like you've made it? 541 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? How sad it would it be? That they knows? Right? 542 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 3: And if you if you think about I have all 543 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 3: these things, but even if I didn't have a lot, 544 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 3: just think about how fortunate it is to have been 545 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 3: born at this point in history and then been it 546 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 3: fitted in off Britain and then the United States. I mean, 547 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 3: my great grandfather was so poor to still coal so 548 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 3: they have a fire and I'm sitting here in my 549 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 3: little studio hating for a job. So yeah, absolutely, And 550 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 3: then the rest of it is I think on the cake, 551 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 3: I love it, but we're just so fortunate and it 552 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 3: and and that gratitude is something I worry about a 553 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 3: little bit too, that people aren't aware of that. You 554 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 3: see a lot of it on social media. It's probably 555 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 3: not at the defective that we think of it, but 556 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 3: you see a lot of it on social media. People 557 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 3: with the third expectations that what their life will be like, Well, 558 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 3: what life was like one hundred years, right. 559 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, or what they think everybody else is doing. 560 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 4: I think so many people on social media think that 561 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 4: everybody else is like flying around on private planes. 562 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 2: Eating cavia or I don't know, I just think they 563 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 2: have no perspective. So yeah, it's it's all related. 564 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 3: Though. 565 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 4: I think the elite, elite opinions being all you know, 566 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 4: kind of negative and people thinking that their lives aren't good. 567 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 2: I think all of that is is one thing, and 568 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 2: I hope that we I hope that we beat it back. 569 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 4: I hope our kids get to be raised in a 570 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 4: different way and understand that all the positives that they 571 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 4: have here. 572 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 3: I agree. I agree, my kids have been bullion doctrinnches 573 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 3: into how lucky they are to live. In fact, they 574 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 3: often go over the top and I have to dial 575 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 3: it back at it. So, you know, they they they 576 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 3: think that America might be superlative in every single way. 577 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 3: So it has to be the physically biggest topic, right 578 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 3: of course. Yeah, I mean what that is? 579 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 2: What difference does it make? 580 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 4: You know? 581 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 3: Right? And it has to have the cold winter, and 582 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 3: it has to have the heartiest dead and has to 583 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 3: have the trolls tree, you know, and I sort of 584 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 3: that's the that's the moment in the bar app movie 585 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 3: where he's trying to convince the American lady that Kesa's 586 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 3: done is better because it's done with five and nine 587 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,239 Speaker 3: ore at four, I'm saying, and she keeps saying, no, no, no, 588 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 3: you don't understand the reason our country is the best constitution. 589 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 3: And it did yet but we have you know, we 590 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 3: do much cheaper mango import you know, and that my 591 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 3: kids have got votes, which is good, but they're still 592 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 3: at the faith where they are. We don't have to 593 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 3: burd want. 594 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: I say, let them believe it. We have the cheapest 595 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 2: mango too, you know. 596 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 3: There you go. 597 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 2: So I've loved talking to Charlie. This has been really great. 598 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 4: And here with your best tip for my listeners on 599 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 4: how they can improve their lives. 600 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,439 Speaker 3: Well, I think in part we just covered it, really, 601 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 3: which is I think the corstin in life at beIN 602 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 3: partic is always that opposed to walk. And there are 603 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 3: people who will be listening who really do have problems 604 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 3: when they shouldn't be ignored. You know, you can't just say, oh, well, 605 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 3: how lucky you are, all right, but they are. There 606 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 3: are things that you app but most of life isn't like. 607 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 3: Most of life is pretty easy for all people in 608 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 3: the country. And the best part of that is that 609 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 3: most of us did absolutely nothing to make it that way. 610 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 3: And I think about my grandfather who was on an 611 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 3: apple chid in Devon in England and had never left 612 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 3: his county, and suddenly he's fighting the Nazis and Italians 613 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 3: in North Africa and southern Italy. And I'm sitting here 614 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 3: with all of my great you know, I advantage it 615 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 3: because he did that. I didn't do that. I didn't 616 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 3: write with that question. I didn't fight the Civil War. 617 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 3: I didn't invent it the toothbrush. 618 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 2: But he did it for you, you know right, No, 619 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 2: he did. 620 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 3: He did. And I just find that reflecting on that 621 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 3: every day is the best thing that I can do 622 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 3: for happiness. 623 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 2: I love that. Thank you so much for coming on 624 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 2: here is Charlie Cook. Check out his Charles C. W. 625 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 2: Cook podcast and read him at AshEL Review. 626 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 3: Thank you, Charlie, thanks for having me the pleasure. 627 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show. 628 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.