Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to
Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. I am your host, Claude Harmon, and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I don't even know where to start. We
Speaker 1: recorded J C. Deacon for the pod today. He's been
Speaker 1: on before. He's the men's golf coach at the University
Speaker 1: of Florida. They just won a national championship. It's a
Speaker 1: fantastic interview and I'm really really excited for everyone to
Speaker 1: hear it. But obviously the news of Live partnering with
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, the PGA Tour partnering with Live, lots
Speaker 1: to unpack. We are going to get to it. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna release a bonus episode of the pod for later
Speaker 1: this week because I am still trying to unpack what's
Speaker 1: happened my mind. Honestly, my mind has been blown. I
Speaker 1: didn't see this coming. I don't think anybody saw this coming.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a couple of days to try and
Speaker 1: figure this out, but we will be dropping a bonus
Speaker 1: epsiod to the pod for Friday. Lots to unpack and
Speaker 1: lots to try and figure out. But Jac Deacon friend
Speaker 1: mentor and I am just a huge, huge fan. He
Speaker 1: had a player win the individual championship for Division one
Speaker 1: college golf and coaches a team that won the team championship.
Speaker 1: It's been a hell of a run for him. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: We talk about some really cool stuff, some great stories,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a great pod. So sit back
Speaker 1: and enjoy listening to coach J C. Deacon. All Right, coach,
Speaker 1: we had you on the podcast last year. This year,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, see to a Division one individual champion
Speaker 1: in Fred Beyondi and the Gators win the national championship.
Speaker 1: You said, I saw an interview you said you if
Speaker 1: you could write story, nobody believe it. What a run
Speaker 1: you guys went on And I love the quote that
Speaker 1: you said, you know in the postseason, the guys just
Speaker 1: never flinched.
Speaker 2: What was that experience like, Well, I think what you
Speaker 2: said about not being able to script it is bang on.
Speaker 2: Just the whole way it all went down. There was
Speaker 2: there was a lot of ups and downs and kept
Speaker 2: us on the edge of the seat. But every time
Speaker 2: the guys were called upon to hit a big shot
Speaker 2: to win a match, to play a big round, I
Speaker 2: mean we were stepping back of the number at Regionals
Speaker 2: with one round to go, just to make it to
Speaker 2: the national championship and you should win shoot sixty six,
Speaker 2: you know, on a really windy day to get even
Speaker 2: get us there and give us a chance. So just
Speaker 2: everyone contributed. They're all so tough. I'm so proud of
Speaker 2: how much growth we've had, and to go through that
Speaker 2: and be alongside them, was it was literally a dream
Speaker 2: come true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked at Augusta. We were on the driving range.
Speaker 1: I was asking how the team was going, and you
Speaker 1: were like, Man, you know, I think we're close. You know,
Speaker 1: we just need some of these guys to step up.
Speaker 1: I'm always interested. Obviously, everything that you do as a
Speaker 1: college golf coach is, especially if you're at a program
Speaker 1: like Florida, everything is about trying to win a national championship.
Speaker 1: So having just done it, how different was that experience
Speaker 1: for you? Because I mean, I remember I was always
Speaker 1: wanting to work with players that have won majors. Brooks
Speaker 1: just won the eighth major I've been a part of,
Speaker 1: and every one of them are different, but you always
Speaker 1: have this idea of what it's going to be like
Speaker 1: and what that experience is going to be. Was it
Speaker 1: different in person and in real life than what you
Speaker 1: imagined winning one would look like.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, first off, congratulations brother. Whatever you guys discussed
Speaker 2: after the Masters came in Clutch on Sunday at the PGA.
Speaker 2: That was awesome.
Speaker 1: But well, the good thing is, you know, Brooks, I
Speaker 1: didn't have to say anything after the Masters. I told
Speaker 1: the guys on my staff, and I think I told
Speaker 1: my wife after I flew home from Augusta that night,
Speaker 1: and I said, Brooks will win the PGA. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can bet it. I told all my guys on
Speaker 1: my staff, I said, you can one hundred percent bet
Speaker 1: the house on it, because it's it's a one hundred.
Speaker 1: I couldn't say it, but you just it's you know,
Speaker 1: when players are playing good, you go through this all
Speaker 1: the time. You see it, even if they have a
Speaker 1: little no. I mean, it's no surprise. We just saw
Speaker 1: Victor Hovlin win, right yeah. I mean, coming off you're
Speaker 1: having a chance to win his first major and you
Speaker 1: can see this snowball. You guys win. You guys get
Speaker 1: through it, you win the sec you get through regionals.
Speaker 1: Did you feel like you could see things peaking at
Speaker 1: the right time, because that's what we talked about, right,
Speaker 1: We talked about it, Augusta that you're like, Hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I've got a great team. I've put a good squad together.
Speaker 1: They just need to step up in the big moments.
Speaker 1: And you couldn't have any coach. You couldn't have any
Speaker 1: bigger moments that these guys needed to step up for
Speaker 1: And every time you needed them to do it as
Speaker 1: a coach, they they delivered.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'll tell you a good story that probably
Speaker 2: paints a good picture. We put the lineups together against
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt at the SEC Championship, and I remember staring at
Speaker 2: it the night before we had to play them in
Speaker 2: the final. They're the number one team in the country.
Speaker 2: Great coaches, great program, great kids, Gordon Sargent, you know, kids,
Speaker 2: the whole deal. Yeah, And I remember looking at that
Speaker 2: lineup card and saying, how are we going to get
Speaker 2: one point? Let alone three? And our guys just went
Speaker 2: out there the next morning and they just acted like
Speaker 2: they've been there, and they were comfortable and they hit
Speaker 2: the shots. And John Dubas made you know, I'd been
Speaker 2: in the around the biggest tournaments like you have, but
Speaker 2: in my life I've seen a lot of them, and
Speaker 2: he made the best twenty footer that these eyes have
Speaker 2: ever seen to win the national chair or the SEC
Speaker 2: championship on the eighteenth hole in front of everyone. And
Speaker 2: then you know, we get to Regionals and we play
Speaker 2: that big final round, and then you get to Nationals
Speaker 2: and we didn't have a great first day, but then
Speaker 2: they come back with an unbelievable second day, another unbelievable
Speaker 2: third day, and then just kept on answering the call
Speaker 2: every time it came. And then we got to match
Speaker 2: play and it was the same thing. You know, you're
Speaker 2: trying to stand in a moment. I think that's the key.
Speaker 2: We were trying to keep them in the moment, not
Speaker 2: letting them think about the final when we're in the
Speaker 2: quarterfinal or get past the match that we were in,
Speaker 2: and I was trying to do that as a coach.
Speaker 2: So it was just kind of one step at a time.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, Okay, we're in the semifinals,
Speaker 2: but we're down two points, tied in two matches, down
Speaker 2: in the third match, two down with three to go,
Speaker 2: like okay, now it's we're done. Where finally it's all over,
Speaker 2: our lucks run out, and then sure enough, these guys
Speaker 2: pull it off. And Ricky wins two out of the
Speaker 2: last three to go to extras and then wins them.
Speaker 1: I mean how long I mean I watched the putt
Speaker 1: that Ricky hold out. I mean twenty first hole had
Speaker 1: to go to a playoff. You guys were playing again
Speaker 1: and again. You can't script this, right, you guys in
Speaker 1: the semi finals against Florida State, Right, yeah? I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't get any bigger of a rival for Florida
Speaker 1: as a university, right, I mean, that is a grudge match.
Speaker 1: It was a grudge match and football back in the day.
Speaker 1: It's a grudge match in every sport. You guys want
Speaker 1: to beat Florida State every time you play them. You're
Speaker 1: in the semis of the National Championship and your boy, Ricky,
Speaker 1: I mean, was that thirty feet?
Speaker 2: It was probably probably twenty five feet, a solid.
Speaker 1: Twenty five feet. Did you think he was going to
Speaker 1: make it?
Speaker 2: Well? The key was I knew Florida State was in
Speaker 2: trouble if they didn't make their putt because Brett Roberts,
Speaker 2: who he was playing, was on the direct same line
Speaker 2: and he Ricky had to move his coin to to
Speaker 2: the left and when Brett I saw as soon as
Speaker 2: he hit it, it kind of bounced early and got
Speaker 2: low and missed. I asked Ricky, I said, hey, dude,
Speaker 2: you got it. He said yes to me so fast. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got it and got in there and hit this
Speaker 2: putt within fifteen second. I mean he knew, Claude, he
Speaker 2: knew he was making that putt and it went. I
Speaker 2: had a perfect angle up behind it. It went so
Speaker 2: dead center with such perfect speed, and yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: beating Florida State is a really big deal in Gainesville,
Speaker 2: and I think as many people that are pumped that
Speaker 2: we won the national championship, I think there's just as
Speaker 2: many happy we took Florida State out there the way
Speaker 2: we did.
Speaker 1: Were you out with Ricky for his final match? Were
Speaker 1: you walking around with him?
Speaker 2: I didn't walk. I was actually with I walked all
Speaker 2: three matches with our freshman Matthew Kress, who's this a
Speaker 2: big moment for him. He just started playing competitive golf
Speaker 2: four years ago, so this is all new to him,
Speaker 2: and so I was with him trying to help. He's
Speaker 2: never really played on greens that firm, and of course
Speaker 2: this difficult, so there was a lot of coaching and
Speaker 2: stuff there. But I always Ricky's the one I always
Speaker 2: get with them in those those really big moments like that.
Speaker 2: We've known each other for eleven years now, and he
Speaker 2: just likes to bounce the idea off me. You know, hey,
Speaker 2: what do you think about this? In ninety nine percent
Speaker 2: of the time the answers yes, go for it, commit
Speaker 2: to it. What he's doing his golf, I ques through
Speaker 2: the roof, and so I picked him up on sixteen,
Speaker 2: and I'm glad I went because he was pissed and
Speaker 2: his mind was in the past. You know, I've blown this.
Speaker 2: I'm blowing this. This is my fault. I said, dude,
Speaker 2: you just need him to make one mistake, and happy
Speaker 2: he happened to do it right there. The Brett blew
Speaker 2: at chip by probably twenty feet, and Ricky had a
Speaker 2: great bunker shot one sixteen and then literally hit one
Speaker 2: of the best three woods I've ever seen in my
Speaker 2: life to fifteen feet per eagle on the next hole,
Speaker 2: and then you know, the rest is history.
Speaker 1: So when I mean, I know what it's like when
Speaker 1: I'm watching that you're up. You know, I'm not inside
Speaker 1: the ropes, but you know I'm watching Brooks come down
Speaker 1: the stretch. You're looking for that mistake, right, You're looking
Speaker 1: for the mistake from the opponent. He's in the final
Speaker 1: round with Vic. You don't want to root against Vic,
Speaker 1: but you're hoping that As a coach, you're hoping that
Speaker 1: your player does something, and you're hoping that if a
Speaker 1: mistake is made the player, especially in your in your case,
Speaker 1: your guy, you're hoping they rise to the moment yo,
Speaker 1: that that happened for Brooks. When you're out there, how
Speaker 1: nervous because I know how nervous I am, right, I
Speaker 1: mean I start walking around, I get really really nervous,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's not a lot of fun to
Speaker 1: be around. And when you're out there as the coach,
Speaker 1: how nervous are you? And how do you kind of
Speaker 1: because you've got to be nervous inside, but you can't
Speaker 1: show that to your guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, at that SEC Championship, we were tied, tied
Speaker 2: in two matches, tied in four. Well, we had two points,
Speaker 2: did one point. We were tied in the other match
Speaker 2: and John Dubois pard seventeen and they missed and I
Speaker 2: remember we were all square with them walking from seventeen
Speaker 2: Greed at Sea Island Seaside course UPD eighteen t. It's
Speaker 2: a I don't know, a forty yard walk, and I
Speaker 2: literally remember having to remind myself one foot in front
Speaker 2: of the other. I thought I was going to I
Speaker 2: had never felt like that my life. I've played golf
Speaker 2: and competed my whole life. I've never felt like that,
Speaker 2: Like I could barely walk. I was so uncomfortably nervous.
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like that at the National Championship. For
Speaker 2: some reason, it wasn't as bad as the secs. I
Speaker 2: think it was just getting over the hump and finally
Speaker 2: beating Bandy that I wanted so bad. But I did
Speaker 2: a better job myself of just staying in the moment
Speaker 2: and trying. Like you said, I've got to have an
Speaker 2: unbelievable poker face whether we're up by five or down
Speaker 2: by five. My players just got to know, hey, we're
Speaker 2: in the moment. You got to hit a golf shot
Speaker 2: right now, and you know, I try to do that
Speaker 2: my best. But I'll tell you a quick good story
Speaker 2: because I totally failed here. But so we're we have
Speaker 2: two points and this is in the finals against Georgia Tech.
Speaker 2: We got two points and we need one more and
Speaker 2: Fred Biondi and Ricky Castillio are both leading their match
Speaker 2: one up, and I'm with Ricky back on the eighteenth
Speaker 2: t and Ricky's literally in his range watching Fred in
Speaker 2: the fairway hit the shots, and we knew that Georgia
Speaker 2: tech hit had plugged it in the bunker. So literally,
Speaker 2: if Fred can hit this pitching wedge on the green,
Speaker 2: it's probably over. So Ricky's looking, hey, coach, he took
Speaker 2: it back. Looked like a good swing, holding this finish.
Speaker 2: I can see the ball balls on the green. I
Speaker 2: think he's twenty feet. We're set, and then Ricky Pounds
Speaker 2: is three w down the middle. We're walking down the
Speaker 2: fairway and I go, dude, since you were eleven years
Speaker 2: old when I met you, I knew something like this
Speaker 2: moment was going to happen. And we both look at
Speaker 2: each other and we started crying like babies. With he
Speaker 2: still had a shot at Fred three putts. We still
Speaker 2: got to hit a shot. I'm like, dude, we got
Speaker 2: to tighten it up. I got so far out of
Speaker 2: the moment. But you know, you spend so much time
Speaker 2: with these kids, and you do it. You pour so
Speaker 2: much into your players. We talk about it all the time,
Speaker 2: and you know, to watch their dreams come true right
Speaker 2: in front of me. It was, Man, it was just
Speaker 2: a lifetime moment. I'll never forget.
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Speaker 1: with your game. Obviously it's a team competition. But again
Speaker 1: in the say that you couldn't write this story, Fred
Speaker 1: BEYONDI wins the individual national championship before you guys start
Speaker 1: the rest of it. I mean, it's and then he
Speaker 1: holds the winning pot, he's on the final green and everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, what a player this kid is. He made
Speaker 1: the decision today to turn pro. I know, obviously with
Speaker 1: the new system the PGA Tour, you I think that's helping.
Speaker 1: I think that's a huge thing that the PGA Tour
Speaker 1: has done. It's something that they should have done. I
Speaker 1: think you'd agree with me. They should have done this
Speaker 1: ten years ago. Yeah, they should have given the best
Speaker 1: college players in America a step or put them halfway
Speaker 1: up the ladder and give them, you know, a springboard
Speaker 1: to succeed. Fred made the choice to turn pro. Was
Speaker 1: it a difficult decision for him having just won the
Speaker 1: individual title of having been on an ashal or was
Speaker 1: this what you said, hey, you've done what you needed
Speaker 1: to do. You're ready.
Speaker 2: Well, I think what made it difficult was winning that
Speaker 2: tournament got him an exemption into the US Open and
Speaker 2: the Master's.
Speaker 1: Next and the Masters next year.
Speaker 2: Ye and I think the Masters invite next April was
Speaker 2: the hardest part for Fred to kind of look past.
Speaker 2: But look, he got a finance degree at Florida, he graduated,
Speaker 2: He gave us four years. He did have another year
Speaker 2: that he could have used, but he's done everything you
Speaker 2: could ever ask at the college level, and it was
Speaker 2: just time. He's got a great agent, Tommy really he's
Speaker 2: working with and they had a great plan. He's going
Speaker 2: to get to play in twelve of the next thirteen
Speaker 2: corn Firy Tour events. You know, he's all set to
Speaker 2: go and chase his dreams as a pro. And he's
Speaker 2: got some great people behind him supporting them. And it
Speaker 2: was just it was it was done, and there was
Speaker 2: no other decision to make. He's he doesn't need any
Speaker 2: more development. He's a smart kid, he's calm, he's got
Speaker 2: all the shots and I'm so pumped to watch him
Speaker 2: from Afar. And you read what he wrote on Instagram.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just what a family, what a young man,
Speaker 2: What a dream it was for me to coach him
Speaker 2: for this long.
Speaker 1: I read that he promised you when he came to
Speaker 1: Florida that he'd work hard and he'd do everything his
Speaker 1: power to get you a couple of national championships, and
Speaker 1: he got you one. When you recruited Fred, what did
Speaker 1: you see? And watching him win a national championship as
Speaker 1: an individual, but then being on the team was what
Speaker 1: you saw when you recruited him. What he became.
Speaker 2: I guess you always hope it's going to become this,
Speaker 2: but it certainly didn't start out like that. I liked Fred.
Speaker 2: Fred works with a really up and coming great coach
Speaker 2: named Matt Dejon who's up in near your area there, Yes, Stuart, Matt.
Speaker 2: Matt's doing a great job. And I always liked Fred's technique.
Speaker 2: I thought he had really good control to face. But
Speaker 2: I was actually recruiting another player who happened to be
Speaker 2: paired with Fred that day as as a junior golfer,
Speaker 2: and he just striped it. I think Fred hit like
Speaker 2: twelve fairways and seventeen greens that day that I was
Speaker 2: watching him, like, man, he's small, and you know he
Speaker 2: didn't hit that far, but holy smokes, he can hit
Speaker 2: it straight and control his ball and flight it up
Speaker 2: and down. So I like that. And then I got
Speaker 2: to know him, got to know his coaches. I knew
Speaker 2: he was getting great information, and Fred wanted to be
Speaker 2: at Florida, so it's just a good mix. He wasn't
Speaker 2: a big scholarship guy to start, and to be honest,
Speaker 2: he's Fred's funny. He's got literally knows everyone in the
Speaker 2: athletic department. He's a good looking kid. He had a
Speaker 2: lot of fun his first two years at Florida, and
Speaker 2: probably a little bit too much, and so we had
Speaker 2: a little discussion about that. After his sophomore year he
Speaker 2: had you know, he'd shot a sixty five here, sixty
Speaker 2: six there. You'd seen some glimpses of it, but he'd
Speaker 2: never put anything together. And then he really decided he
Speaker 2: want to be a great player his third year. In
Speaker 2: the last two years, he's been a first team All
Speaker 2: American and now national champion, an individual as a team
Speaker 2: SEC champion, as a team, he's he won five times.
Speaker 2: One of the one of the greatest players in the
Speaker 2: history of the University of Florida. That's that's a pretty
Speaker 2: big deal.
Speaker 1: I mean, given everybody that's going to the University of Florida,
Speaker 1: you know, that's playing on tour, that's a hell of
Speaker 1: a statement. Ricky Castillio and I really like this kid.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I saw him hit some balls.
Speaker 1: Did he qualify for the covid Us Open that he
Speaker 1: did win? Brice And I watched him. You know, he
Speaker 1: was young, he's got you know, he's got the tight necklace,
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of swag, walks around like he's
Speaker 1: like he's a baller, which I kind of like. I
Speaker 1: watched him hit some balls, and you know, he's really impressive.
Speaker 1: He seems to be the type of kid that likes
Speaker 1: the big moment and likes to rise to those occasions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ricky's the ultimate competitor. That that's been the difficulty
Speaker 2: these past four years is trying to harness that and
Speaker 2: for him to understand how to use that energy. I
Speaker 2: think a lot of time he struggled in his sophomore
Speaker 2: in junior year, and a lot of that was just
Speaker 2: him trying to figure out how to control all these
Speaker 2: insane emotions he has. And he's still got some work
Speaker 2: to do, but he's getting better at it. But Ricky's
Speaker 2: the mid one eighties ball speed. He can hit it
Speaker 2: as high as Rory McElroy. He can move it both ways.
Speaker 2: He can chip and putt at a world class level.
Speaker 2: You see him out there in the platelet. Another story
Speaker 2: with Ricky walking in that playoff against Florida State. I
Speaker 2: mean he's looking at me saying, is there anyone else
Speaker 2: in the world you'd rather have in you know, the
Speaker 2: program's hands than me? You know, he wants the big moment.
Speaker 2: He's the big the alpha dog, and he ain't shy.
Speaker 2: He went four and oh at the Walker Cup a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and I just he's not going
Speaker 2: to be denied. If you know, Claude, if it's ping
Speaker 2: pong or how high you can jump, he wants to
Speaker 2: crush you in everything he does. The kid just wants
Speaker 2: to win stuff, whatever it is, and golf is what
Speaker 2: he's great at. And it's going to be exciting watching
Speaker 2: him him figure it all out too.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how opportunity, you know, how sometimes you can
Speaker 1: miss out on opportunities. Tom McKibben, who just won the
Speaker 1: on the DP World Tour as a twenty year old
Speaker 1: he had committed to come to Florida. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: you thought his ceiling was really, really high. I know
Speaker 1: you're incredibly proud that he's you know, even though he
Speaker 1: didn't come to Florida, he's going on to win a
Speaker 1: DP World event. But as a coach, when you have
Speaker 1: that situation happened, you've got a player that's going to come,
Speaker 1: you've got to scramble. And I remember you and I
Speaker 1: talking about this, because I know Tom quite well, when
Speaker 1: we were talking about this, and you said, listen, I
Speaker 1: think there's this kid named Yushen Lynn that we can
Speaker 1: get and I think he can be a real stud.
Speaker 1: It's it's amazing you had an opportunity to get a
Speaker 1: kid like Tom McKibben, who we all thought and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people including Rory McElroy and all
Speaker 1: the Irish kids, they think he's going to be a superstar.
Speaker 1: If you're winning DP World events as a twenty year old,
Speaker 1: and you're probably got a good chance for that. But
Speaker 1: that door closed. You're scrambling and you find Ushan who
Speaker 1: then plays his way into the team, into the lineup
Speaker 1: and then as part of the group that wins. You
Speaker 1: guys in National Championship. I mean, that's an amazing story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember. Honestly, Claude was probably probably one of
Speaker 2: the lowest moments I've ever had as a coach when
Speaker 2: when I got that call from Robin and Sarah mckibbon.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget it. I wasn't expecting it. It was
Speaker 2: really close to the signing day. I had really developed
Speaker 2: a really close relationship with Tom. We actually really bonded
Speaker 2: over the peloton and Tom and I would have a
Speaker 2: lot of peloton races against each other because he's over
Speaker 2: there and I was over here, so it wasn't as
Speaker 2: easy to talk, but you can. You can kind of
Speaker 2: FaceTime while you're peloton's. It was so fun. And Robin
Speaker 2: got on the phone and said, man to Tom couldn't
Speaker 2: even get himself on the phone to talk to tell
Speaker 2: you that he's not coming because his heart's so broken,
Speaker 2: and it was tough. I was so excited to coach
Speaker 2: him the first I'll never forget it. He was playing
Speaker 2: in the dual Junior saw him hit a seven iron
Speaker 2: on whatever hole was. The first shot saw him hit.
Speaker 2: I heard the sound and I remember talking to his
Speaker 2: dad saying, what do you guys need this is done.
Speaker 2: Deal like Tom was just a no brainer, and I'm
Speaker 2: really happy for him because sometimes you've seen it. You know,
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of players justin Rose that turned
Speaker 2: pro super early and it doesn't work out this way.
Speaker 2: But Tom, you know, it's taken a little while, but
Speaker 2: Tom's obviously on his way when in this week, I
Speaker 2: was so happy to see that. And the families, they're
Speaker 2: they're great people, and you know, I'm happy for him.
Speaker 2: But you know, I look back in my life and
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the times where you're lowest
Speaker 2: and you think it's all over and you think it's crumbling,
Speaker 2: you know. You shud Lynn came on our radar maybe
Speaker 2: a month and a half after that, and obviously we
Speaker 2: had a full scholarship because Tom had given that up,
Speaker 2: and we're able to recruit Hind to transfer from USC
Speaker 2: and he's come in here and be a three, three
Speaker 2: time All American for the Gators and you know, just
Speaker 2: been probably the most consistent player we had this year,
Speaker 2: even when the team and some of the guys were struggling,
Speaker 2: you should played well. I think he was top eleven
Speaker 2: and maybe eleven of his fourteen events this year. So
Speaker 2: just incredible consistency and just to you know, someone who
Speaker 2: expects to win and expects to be great. He won
Speaker 2: the Southern Highlands Collegiate this year, which is the best
Speaker 2: regular season tournament we play all year. He'll be playing
Speaker 2: in the Shriners this fall. That earned him an exemption
Speaker 2: for that. So it's funny how life works. You know,
Speaker 2: you think it's the worst thing that could ever happen
Speaker 2: to you, and it ends up putting the kid on
Speaker 2: your team that we certainly don't win the championship without.
Speaker 2: Last week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about this when you're on the pod before.
Speaker 1: You're trying to assess talent based off of data points.
Speaker 1: But I don't think people realize what a gamble college
Speaker 1: sports is because as a coach, you're recruiting young men
Speaker 1: who are very very young. They don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of experience, even if they've played Walker Cups or been
Speaker 1: great US Juniors or anything like that. In an early
Speaker 1: early eight you never know, coach, what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: And we talked about this, I mean, I know you,
Speaker 1: I talk about this with all the college coaches. We
Speaker 1: see so many kids that are better when they're sixteen,
Speaker 1: seventeen and eighteen than they are when they're nineteen, twenty
Speaker 1: and twenty one. We talked, you know, we've talked so
Speaker 1: much over the last couple of years about you know,
Speaker 1: talent and pressure and how to handle it. So when
Speaker 1: you recruited this group, JC, I mean obviously you think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm recruiting them because I think they can be good players,
Speaker 1: and I think they can help the university and the
Speaker 1: program and stuff. But sometimes you have to be honest
Speaker 1: with yourself. Not everybody is going to be a national champion.
Speaker 1: Not every team and group of players that you have
Speaker 1: are going to be national champions. But we talked, and
Speaker 1: you kept saying to me over the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: I feel like we've got a good group. I feel
Speaker 1: like we've got the players that have the talent to
Speaker 1: do that. So it's that talent and then potential and
Speaker 1: how all of that works. But did you really think
Speaker 1: this year that this crew could win you a national championship?
Speaker 2: Well? Absolutely not. In the fall when we laid an egg.
Speaker 2: We didn't play very well in the fall at all.
Speaker 2: I think we finished like eleventh at Colonial. We had
Speaker 2: a bad tournament at the SEC match, play. We honestly
Speaker 2: had times played some really uninspiring golf. But in saying that,
Speaker 2: I think the last two years before this, there were
Speaker 2: signs there of us being an elite team. We played
Speaker 2: some rounds that I don't think very many teams could
Speaker 2: compete with. And we just had to grow up. And
Speaker 2: these guys there was a lot of poor me at
Speaker 2: times with our team, a lot of not understanding bad golf,
Speaker 2: not being okay with bad golf, not reacting and responding well,
Speaker 2: not being good teammates. And these guys really made the decision.
Speaker 2: We challenged them big time in November. And I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what. Jeremy Foley, who the ad who hired me
Speaker 2: here at Florida, he came in in February. We had
Speaker 2: a team meeting in February with Jeremy and he lit
Speaker 2: them up and he said, it's a choice words. It's
Speaker 2: an ef and joke that a group that it's as
Speaker 2: talented as y'all are, and you guys are going to
Speaker 2: leave this school with no rings. He goes, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure I've ever seen anything like it. And if that happens,
Speaker 2: you guys will never forgive yourselves for the rest of
Speaker 2: your life. So as of this moment, what are you
Speaker 2: going to sacrifice, What are you going to put on
Speaker 2: the line, What are you going to ask from yourself
Speaker 2: that you haven't done in the past to make sure
Speaker 2: that that doesn't happen? And I think that defined it perfectly.
Speaker 2: Ricky had to grow up and control his emotions, you
Speaker 2: shouldn had to work a little bit harder at home
Speaker 2: and dial in his practice. You know, Fred had to
Speaker 2: stay calm when things weren't going well. There was all
Speaker 2: these little things. And you know, John Dubois best best
Speaker 2: fourth man in the country. He gets none of the
Speaker 2: accolades and wins all the trophies. He's just such a
Speaker 2: special kid. And then we got Matthew Kress, who was
Speaker 2: a part of that twenty twenty one class that we
Speaker 2: ended up getting when Tom left and Matthew didn't start
Speaker 2: really competing in golf till he was fourteen years old.
Speaker 2: As of a year and a half ago, probably didn't
Speaker 2: even think he was going to play college golf. And
Speaker 2: he talked me into it. He's a good salesman and
Speaker 2: told me he's going to be the hardest worker I've
Speaker 2: ever had, and he's lived up to it. And forced
Speaker 2: his way into his lineup, into the lineup in April
Speaker 2: this year, and then he honestly, he brought something to
Speaker 2: our team and to our culture that we didn't have before,
Speaker 2: and that was someone who was just happy to be
Speaker 2: there and didn't feel entitled to a spot or feel
Speaker 2: entitled to good golf. He just woke up every day
Speaker 2: trying to get good and not lose his job. And
Speaker 2: that attitude rubbed off and the rest of the guys.
Speaker 2: And I really don't think we win this without Matthew.
Speaker 2: And I'm so proud of him. He's such an amazing
Speaker 2: young man and we have him for another three years.
Speaker 2: So boy, are we lucky.
Speaker 1: Does that happen?
Speaker 2: Coach?
Speaker 1: Does that happen often? Do you do that by design?
Speaker 1: To bring it? I mean, for everyone listening from not
Speaker 1: in the United States, I mean, if you go to
Speaker 1: college and you're you're in an athletic you know, part
Speaker 1: of any sport there is an athletic director, so he
Speaker 1: kind of runs all of the sports. Does he come
Speaker 1: into golf? I mean, obviously, if you're at the University
Speaker 1: of Florida, the athletic director is pretty locked up with
Speaker 1: football and basketball and all the other sports that are,
Speaker 1: you know, more high profile than men's and women's golf.
Speaker 1: But was that by design to bring That's basically like
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones from you know, the Dallas Cowboys, he basically
Speaker 1: is running he runs the show for the Dallas Cowboy
Speaker 1: that's him coming in and lighten up the team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And if the ad at Florida is coming in and
Speaker 1: lighten you up, that's probably not a good thing. And
Speaker 1: did you know he was going to do it? Did
Speaker 1: you want him to do that? Did you feel like
Speaker 1: that's something that the team needed.
Speaker 2: Well, Jeremy's he's Scott Strickland's our current AD. So Jeremy's
Speaker 2: in an admeritis role right now, so he's still a
Speaker 2: massive part of the athletic department, but he's not in
Speaker 2: the full time role. But he hired me and we've
Speaker 2: stayed in very very close touch. He's always helped me
Speaker 2: really accountable to a high standard and he's become a
Speaker 2: great friend and mentor. But he's never spoken my team
Speaker 2: before and we've been waiting for this for the right moment,
Speaker 2: and he kind of told he told me he was
Speaker 2: going to speak to the team. He didn't ask, and
Speaker 2: he said you find the right time, and I'm coming
Speaker 2: to speak to your boys. And I had one meeting
Speaker 2: like that myself with Jeremy and it was not very fun.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget it. His secretary said, mister Foley needs
Speaker 2: to meet with you, and I said, oh boy, I'm
Speaker 2: in trouble. And the meeting lasted about two minutes and
Speaker 2: he told me I had screwed up, and he made
Speaker 2: his point real clear, and there was not a lot
Speaker 2: of back and forth. It was a one way conversation.
Speaker 2: So I had an idea of what he was coming
Speaker 2: in to say. I didn't know how he was going
Speaker 2: to deliver a message, but you know, I feel your
Speaker 2: dad probably has this. But you know, when he walks
Speaker 2: into a room, everyone's like this and they stand up
Speaker 2: straight and they're listening and waiting for the message. And
Speaker 2: Jeremy came in, you know, guns blazing, and it was perfect.
Speaker 2: The timing was perfect, and I think it just kind
Speaker 2: of gave everyone a wake up call of Wow, if
Speaker 2: I don't really focus and really give it my all
Speaker 2: and put everything I have into it, I actually could
Speaker 2: regret this for the rest of my life. And you know,
Speaker 2: we never really looked back. It was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: How much of what you do with your players on
Speaker 1: the course is because I think everybody thinks it. The
Speaker 1: way that you fix things and the way tournament rounds go,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of technique, a lot of technique as
Speaker 1: a coach. Basically, as a college golf coach, you can
Speaker 1: go out and walk with the players, so effectively you
Speaker 1: become a tour caddie. Yeah, right, that's effect its people
Speaker 1: think it's a coaching role. It's basically the exact same
Speaker 1: thing that you know Austin Johnson does for DJ. Right,
Speaker 1: you're with him on the bag, you're talking him through that.
Speaker 1: How much of that for everyone listening, how much would
Speaker 1: you say is psychology? How much of it is, Hey,
Speaker 1: maybe do this in your golf swing. And then my
Speaker 1: dad always says the art of coaching is what you
Speaker 1: don't say, and he always says, listen. Great coaches know
Speaker 1: what to say at the right time, but they also
Speaker 1: know when not to say something. So that balance when
Speaker 1: you're dealing with guys. Because a lot of I think
Speaker 1: a lot of it is some of these kids they're young.
Speaker 1: We expect them to be more mature than they are,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately the environment that they're in and the environment
Speaker 1: that they say they want to get to to be
Speaker 1: a professional golfer. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how old you are,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it takes what it takes. So
Speaker 1: that balance of being good cop and bad cop, how
Speaker 1: much would you say you are writing that kind of
Speaker 1: line of knowing when to go, hey, you need to
Speaker 1: pull your head out of your ass and get going,
Speaker 1: versus no tough love and versus hey, come in, You're
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. It's all gonna work.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the art of it that I've learned
Speaker 2: from from trying to study all the great coaches is
Speaker 2: it's very individual. So the way I've coached Ricky is very,
Speaker 2: very different than the way I've coached Fred. And when
Speaker 2: it comes to the golf side of things, a lot
Speaker 2: of them have their own swing coaches. You know, We've
Speaker 2: had a ton of our players that have worked with
Speaker 2: you over the years. Quentin de Bove Still you two
Speaker 2: are still going strong. And I got when I was eighteen,
Speaker 2: I was one of the better better junior players maybe
Speaker 2: in the world, especially in Canada, and I ran into
Speaker 2: a swing instructor that tore my swing down and told
Speaker 2: me I was no good long and laid off like DJ,
Speaker 2: and it ruined me, and it took me probably ten
Speaker 2: years to be able to come back and play the
Speaker 2: golf that I wanted to. So I've always taken that
Speaker 2: lesson in my coaching more of a less technique and
Speaker 2: more of a motivational and teach you how to play
Speaker 2: the game. I'm doing my best at all times to
Speaker 2: try and get our guys to think less about their technique.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I've battled with Fred big time. Ricky's
Speaker 2: on the other end of the spectrum where he never
Speaker 2: thinks about his technique, and probably he works with Chris Mason,
Speaker 2: who I know you well. Yeah, Ricky probably needs to
Speaker 2: focus a little bit more on his technique at times.
Speaker 2: But the problem is we spend so much time with
Speaker 2: these guys. It's almost twenty four to seven when they're
Speaker 2: on campus, which is kind of mid August till end
Speaker 2: of May. So you've become like an older brother. So
Speaker 2: I think at times they're like, God, I don't want
Speaker 2: to hear from this guy anymore. And I've obviously tried
Speaker 2: to pick your brain as much as I can about
Speaker 2: your dad, and I've always really admired him because he
Speaker 2: did never get in the way. And I think that's
Speaker 2: why he was so good, because you know that at
Speaker 2: some point a change in the golf swing ain't gonna
Speaker 2: do it. And you know, sometimes it can be a
Speaker 2: little tweak with your alignment here or some posture there,
Speaker 2: but if you're overhauling a golf swing at you know,
Speaker 2: let's say at regionals and the National Championship, that just
Speaker 2: ain't gonna do it. And you got to have a
Speaker 2: process and a method where when the whole world's watching
Speaker 2: and you're on the golf channel or whatever it is,
Speaker 2: that you can go hit that shot and thinking about
Speaker 2: your technique. I think you and I both know ain't
Speaker 2: ain't the ticket.
Speaker 1: So and I know, I mean, yeah, I mean I've
Speaker 1: said this a couple of times, but Brooks is warm
Speaker 1: up in the PGA versus on Sunday versus the warm
Speaker 1: up that he had for the final round at Augusta.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I had to rate him on a
Speaker 1: scale of one to ten, the warm up at Augusta
Speaker 1: was a fifteen. He never missed a shot, he was
Speaker 1: in total control, he was completely called. There was no panic,
Speaker 1: there was no doubt, and even Saturday and Sunday. I mean,
Speaker 1: I remember on Sunday we were on the range and
Speaker 1: he hit a bad drive and he said, man, I
Speaker 1: just don't feel like I'm playing that good this week.
Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm swinging that good that week.
Speaker 1: And I know Pete Cowen had to talk with him
Speaker 1: and said, hey, your swing is fined. Just you're trying
Speaker 1: to be perfect and you don't need to be perfect.
Speaker 1: So the warm up when he doesn't win a major
Speaker 1: was one of the best warm ups I've ever seen
Speaker 1: him have, and one of the best warm ups from
Speaker 1: a technique standpoint that I've ever seen any player I've had,
Speaker 1: you know, have for a warm up before a big tournament.
Speaker 1: And then even on Saturday and Sunday. The warm up
Speaker 1: really for Brooks wasn't really that great. But I said
Speaker 1: to him on the putting green right before the only
Speaker 1: thing I said to him on the putting green before
Speaker 1: he went out and played the final round on Sunday
Speaker 1: was go do your job, and your job is to
Speaker 1: go play good golf. And I feel like that's a
Speaker 1: lot of what you and the rest of the guys
Speaker 1: in college, a lot of it is what they call
Speaker 1: in the UK man management. You're managing the player. Sir
Speaker 1: Alex Ferguson, one of the greatest football managers of all
Speaker 1: time Manchester United. I've talked to people that were in
Speaker 1: that organization. I said he really didn't do much technically.
Speaker 1: He had other people managing the team. What he was
Speaker 1: the guy that would come in and bench David Beckham
Speaker 1: when David Beckham's one of the most famous people in
Speaker 1: the world. Because he thinks David Beckham's getting bigger than
Speaker 1: the club and there isn't anybody in the world that
Speaker 1: would do that, right, There isn't any coach in the world.
Speaker 1: And he didn't start him, sat him on the bench
Speaker 1: and said the club is more important than you. How
Speaker 1: do you instill You've got all of these individuals on
Speaker 1: your team, but they're playing for the University of Florida
Speaker 1: and they're playing for you and your assistant Dudley Hart,
Speaker 1: who I can't wait to talk to you about because
Speaker 1: I know you think he's been an invaluable member. But
Speaker 1: how do you get these guys to buy into the
Speaker 1: University of Florida golf program and also coach to buy
Speaker 1: into the way that we do things. I'm your coach,
Speaker 1: so We're going to do things the way that I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you, guys, this is the way we
Speaker 1: do things, and it's as much the University of Florida's
Speaker 1: golf program, but this is also my program, and this
Speaker 1: is what I expect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so glad you asked this because I think
Speaker 2: this was probably the biggest battle with this team. You know,
Speaker 2: whether you wanted to call ego or entitlement, what we've had,
Speaker 2: we've had a lot of it, and it just that
Speaker 2: it takes away from everyone's experience. And I mean, I
Speaker 2: won't go into detail, but we had a lot of
Speaker 2: very very tough meetings. We've had some players missing tournaments,
Speaker 2: and it was when this team finally decided, you know what,
Speaker 2: my guys, my brothers us doing this together, the University
Speaker 2: of Florida US winning that that would be really really
Speaker 2: cool and special. And I come from a hockey background,
Speaker 2: that sports my first love, and almost quit golf when
Speaker 2: I was sixteen to chase that. And so I've been
Speaker 2: in a locker room and there's nothing in the world
Speaker 2: more important to a hockey player than the locker room.
Speaker 2: And it's just an unwritten rule in that sport. You
Speaker 2: learn it growing up and it's part of the deal.
Speaker 2: And no one talks about themself. You watch any hockey
Speaker 2: interview after the game, it's always about the boys. Hey,
Speaker 2: the boys did this, the boys did that. And it's
Speaker 2: just a culture. And I love that and I believe
Speaker 2: in that, and that's what I'm trying to pass on
Speaker 2: to these guys because I think they can take that
Speaker 2: from here to a job or to their family or
Speaker 2: whatever it is. It makes life better when you have
Speaker 2: other people to share it with. It's just a core
Speaker 2: belief of mine. The problem is with golf is their
Speaker 2: whole life until eighteen years old, it's about them. Mom
Speaker 2: and dad talks about them, their swing coach talks about them,
Speaker 2: the equipment companies talk about them, and their conditioned to
Speaker 2: think about themselves. So it's a four year process of
Speaker 2: teaching them, dude, this ain't about you. And I don't
Speaker 2: care if you don't like Chipotle. You're going to Chipotle
Speaker 2: tonight and you're gonna think that's the best restaurant in
Speaker 2: the whole world because those five guys want it and
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what you think. And so it's a
Speaker 2: learning curve. And I think Dudley and I, you know,
Speaker 2: and hopefully we get a chance to talk about him
Speaker 2: here because he's literally the greatest, greatest thing that's ever
Speaker 2: happened to me professionally. But our big goal this summer
Speaker 2: is to re establish what our values are and to
Speaker 2: make sure that this team next year doesn't have to
Speaker 2: have the learning curve that the one we just did have.
Speaker 2: You know, we thank god those guys won that SEC
Speaker 2: and national championship because that was their last strike at
Speaker 2: kick at the cans. So we got to instill those
Speaker 2: values a little bit quicker with this next group and
Speaker 2: this next team, and we've learned a lot of lessons
Speaker 2: and that's the exciting part. I think. I think if
Speaker 2: we can do that, we can be even better going forward.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Dudley Hard who used to play the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: He won on the PGA Tour. It was it's so
Speaker 1: funny that we're talking about him. My uncle was the
Speaker 1: head Okill Country Club for forty two years, where they
Speaker 1: just said the PGA, But in nineteen eighty nine they
Speaker 1: had the US Open that Curtis Strange won, and he
Speaker 1: won back to back US Opens. He'd won in eighty
Speaker 1: eight the year before and Dudley's sister Kathy. Ye, my
Speaker 1: uncle Craig was the last host pro I think at
Speaker 1: the from a USGA standpoint, to own the shop so
Speaker 1: he could own all the merchandise. And he had like
Speaker 1: a year to own all the US Open merchandise in
Speaker 1: the late eighties. He made a fortune. So when the
Speaker 1: US Open happened at o'kill in eighty nine, every single
Speaker 1: Harmon family member and assistant and anybody that had ever
Speaker 1: worked for any of the boys or anything like that,
Speaker 1: everybody worked the merchandise and so Kathy hard she worked.
Speaker 1: There was another girl named Abigail, and we all worked
Speaker 1: in the merchandise tent. You mentioned that having Dudley come
Speaker 1: in kind of as a game changer for you. I
Speaker 1: mean he went to the University of Florida. What was
Speaker 1: that pross like and what do you think he brought
Speaker 1: that was missing?
Speaker 2: So I remember I first got the job back in
Speaker 2: June twenty fourteen, and I got this text from this
Speaker 2: seven to one six number and it said, Hey, I'm
Speaker 2: Dudley Hart, former Gator, played on the team back whenever
Speaker 2: it was and I'm passionate about the Gators and I
Speaker 2: just want to see us get back to the top.
Speaker 2: So if there's anything I can do to help you,
Speaker 2: reach out. And it's cool for me because I was
Speaker 2: a fourteen year old in nineteen ninety six out at
Speaker 2: Glenn Abbey watching Dudley Hart win his first PGA Tour event.
Speaker 2: That was my hometown I grew up and open, yeah,
Speaker 2: grew up twenty minutes from there, and I was like that,
Speaker 2: that's the guy with the weird name. Why is he
Speaker 2: winning our home home championship? But so I watched him
Speaker 2: from a bar, so I thought that text was really cool.
Speaker 2: So I wrote him back and we began chatting. Sure enough,
Speaker 2: he's a huge Buffalo Sabers fan that has a they
Speaker 2: got a big rivalry with Toronto. Who's my team? So
Speaker 2: we bonded over hockey, and then Dudley invited our team
Speaker 2: down I think maybe two years later to Calluci Pines,
Speaker 2: which you know is incredible. Took the whole team down
Speaker 2: there and put us up in some cabins and you know,
Speaker 2: spent a lot of money on the team and had
Speaker 2: a really nice trip just making our program better, and
Speaker 2: we spoke that week. He wanted to get more involved,
Speaker 2: so we hired Dudley as our volunteer assistant coach, and
Speaker 2: he came on for the next three years and just
Speaker 2: gave so much time, so much energy, helped the guys
Speaker 2: with their short game. Just having his presence around was amazing.
Speaker 2: And then I guess two years ago, Mark Leon, who
Speaker 2: was my assistant at the time, got hired as the
Speaker 2: head coach at FAU, and so I asked Duds to
Speaker 2: come up and help in the meantime, you know, just
Speaker 2: to fill the void while Mark was gone. I didn't
Speaker 2: have an assistant at all. So I had a candidate
Speaker 2: for the job in town and Dudley walked in my
Speaker 2: office and he closed the door. Well he's never ever
Speaker 2: done this before. And I'm like, well, that's weird. Goes hey, man.
Speaker 2: I didn't really know how to go about this, but
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't have forgiven myself if I didn't ask.
Speaker 2: But I want the job, And I said, dud dude,
Speaker 2: you don't want this job. Like it's long, hot days
Speaker 2: in the summer, it's recruiting, it's talking to parents. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of ugly stuff that happens in college golf.
Speaker 2: It's not you know, there's bad grades, there's guys missing appointment,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's not just going down to the range.
Speaker 1: A lot of it, A lot of it's babysitting.
Speaker 2: It's it and it's not just being on the range
Speaker 2: and helping the guys get better and traveling tournaments like
Speaker 2: there's there's a lot of development in tough times. And
Speaker 2: he said, I know, I've thought about it, but I
Speaker 2: want it. And I'm like, if you want this, I'll
Speaker 2: literally tell the whole world now because I think it
Speaker 2: would be the biggest home run in the world. I mean, Duds,
Speaker 2: You're amazing, best personality, has so much fun, but at
Speaker 2: the same time knows when to draw the line to
Speaker 2: work hard and literally since he started and signed that contract, Claude,
Speaker 2: he shows up to our facility at five point fifty
Speaker 2: every morning and none of our players beat him there.
Speaker 2: It's hard to leave after him. He still works on
Speaker 2: his own game, he still works on his body. He
Speaker 2: has a wonderful personality. He gets along with everyone. He
Speaker 2: can be a hard ass when he needs to. Literally,
Speaker 2: we went from a good program to a great one
Speaker 2: the day he showed up. And I do not believe
Speaker 2: that that's a cop coincidence. He's just he was made
Speaker 2: to do this. You know. Thankfully he had a great
Speaker 2: PGA to her career and won twice and has that
Speaker 2: pension coming to him. So the salary wasn't a game
Speaker 2: changer because we're not paying him enough. But he's become
Speaker 2: my best friend. We have so many good times and
Speaker 2: laughs together and God, these kids would run through a
Speaker 2: wall for him. So's he's just been a home run
Speaker 2: for the University of Florida.
Speaker 1: Is it frustrating, coach? I mean, obviously you were a
Speaker 1: really good player, and would you win the Florida Florida
Speaker 1: Oh did you win the Florida Open a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago?
Speaker 2: Twice?
Speaker 1: So, I mean the joke that we always have when
Speaker 1: when kids say they don't want to stay in Florida
Speaker 1: anymore and they're gonna turn pro and they're gonna leave early.
Speaker 1: You and I joke and you're like, well, if I'm
Speaker 1: beating you, we think Roy McElroy is gonna do right.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure it's frustrating for you because you still
Speaker 1: I mean, you still play, You play a lot with
Speaker 1: your team, You beat your guys as much as they
Speaker 1: beat you. Then you bring in a guy like Dudley Hart,
Speaker 1: who's one on tour, and we talk about this all
Speaker 1: the time when we do see each other. It's like,
Speaker 1: sometimes you just want to beat these kids up against
Speaker 1: their heads up against the wall and say, why won't
Speaker 1: you listen. We're trying everything we can do as a
Speaker 1: coach to help you, but we're trying to give you
Speaker 1: our experience, and a guy like Dudley, who's one on tour,
Speaker 1: who played the tour, you're a great player. It's gotta
Speaker 1: be at times frustrating when you have to have these
Speaker 1: conversations where you're like, guys, if you just listen to us,
Speaker 1: we know what we're doing and we know what makes
Speaker 1: players get to the level you're at. I think that's
Speaker 1: one of the things I find the hardest about the
Speaker 1: job that we both have is you get these kids
Speaker 1: that are young and they just think, you know, I'm sixteen, seventeen,
Speaker 1: I'm eighteen now, I'm just gonna do everything my own way.
Speaker 1: No one's going to help me, and I will I
Speaker 1: will make it doing this, And you're like, you're not
Speaker 1: going to get to the top of Mount Everest doing that.
Speaker 2: You're just not Yeah, it's you know, that's something I've
Speaker 2: taken upon myself that I need to get better out
Speaker 2: as my delivery. I think I was very challenging and
Speaker 2: confrontational when I first started this job, and I've realized
Speaker 2: that doesn't usually end well with kids that are sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen,
Speaker 2: in insecure. You can't come at them. There's got to
Speaker 2: be a better way to do it. And I think, honestly,
Speaker 2: we don't agree on everything, Dud's and I, but ninety
Speaker 2: percent of the information that we talk about we're given
Speaker 2: to the guys we wholeheartedly agree on. And when they
Speaker 2: started hearing from him the same messages that I'd been
Speaker 2: giving them for so long, they're like, oh, like PGA
Speaker 2: tour player, guy who's been out there for thirty years
Speaker 2: and won twice, same things. We got to start listening
Speaker 2: and that was the biggest thing. Even when Duds got here,
Speaker 2: he was amazed at the pushback he got and Claude
Speaker 2: he'd get it from parents like.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, they all, let me tell you, they
Speaker 1: all think they know better than you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, hey, that's not how we do it.
Speaker 2: You know, I know you played on the tour for
Speaker 2: thirty years, but this is the way to do it.
Speaker 2: He's like what Like, I've literally been around the best
Speaker 2: players in the world for my whole life. I think
Speaker 2: I know what I'm talking about. I think finally when
Speaker 2: we started to get some people to relax and trust him,
Speaker 2: trust us, trust the problem, that's when this thing really
Speaker 2: all started coming together. And honestly, I got to give
Speaker 2: the credit to the kids because they did buy in
Speaker 2: differently the last year and a half than we've ever
Speaker 2: had it before. We really didn't have a lot of
Speaker 2: pushback this year. You know. We put together a very
Speaker 2: rigorous schedule, whether that's in the gym and at the
Speaker 2: golf course, with their academics, and I didn't hear much
Speaker 2: complaining this year. They just went out and like you
Speaker 2: said about Brooks, they went and did their job.
Speaker 1: It's the fifth national championship for the golf program at Florida,
Speaker 1: first one since two thousand and one. What does it
Speaker 1: mean in the context of other sports now? I mean,
Speaker 1: please tell me the football coach, the basketball coach and
Speaker 1: everybody called you and has made the team feel like
Speaker 1: they're as big as anybody else on campus.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm lucky because the new basketball coach here, he
Speaker 2: just got done his first year. Todd Golden. Literally, I
Speaker 2: want to introduce you to because you guys will be boys.
Speaker 2: He's one of the most dynamic personalities that I've met
Speaker 2: in a long time. First time I met him, I left,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, I love that guy, like immediately.
Speaker 2: He's just the best. And he flew out to Arizona
Speaker 2: and watched this play a few rounds in between recruiting,
Speaker 2: and for our guys to see, hey, coach, was that
Speaker 2: Todd Golden watching us today? That was a big deal
Speaker 2: for our guys that they were getting some love from
Speaker 2: from coach. And Billy Napier, our football coach. Now, he
Speaker 2: was following every match. His son's kind of getting into golf,
Speaker 2: and Billy likes golf himself, so he was texting me,
Speaker 2: what'd you think about this? I saw the match. You know,
Speaker 2: it was funny because the before the finals, you know,
Speaker 2: he was coaching me up on rest and what to
Speaker 2: do the next day. Everyone just cared so much. And
Speaker 2: that's the cool thing about winning in a college town.
Speaker 2: The Florida Gators in Gainesville are the only show in town.
Speaker 2: We're the biggest deal here. So coming home and having
Speaker 2: that huge reception and all the coaches we you know
Speaker 2: Tim Wall and our softball coach Mary Wise and volleyball
Speaker 2: Roland Thornquist, our women's tennis coach, has four national championships.
Speaker 2: They're also accomplished here, and they poured a lot into me.
Speaker 2: So when they finally saw us breakthrough, it was it
Speaker 2: was a pretty big win for everyone, and they've certainly
Speaker 2: made me feel really special.
Speaker 1: Obviously, it doesn't matter what you did yesterday. It only
Speaker 1: matters what you do today, tomorrow and the future. So
Speaker 1: how do you pick the team back up? You're gonna
Speaker 1: lose fred but a big group of the players that
Speaker 1: we're part of this national championship team are going to
Speaker 1: be back.
Speaker 2: No, we're not. We're losing fred Ricky and yushen all
Speaker 2: in the thing. I'll leave it all three.
Speaker 1: We're gonna see how good of a coach you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, We're to be honest, a weird part of me.
Speaker 2: He's really excited to be able to hit the reset button.
Speaker 2: We've got absolutely money twenty twenty three recruiting class that's
Speaker 2: starting here in August, and I'm telling all of them,
Speaker 2: we've just been talking about it lately. Y'all have an
Speaker 2: opportunity of a lifetime, because it's never going to be
Speaker 2: easier to get in this lineup than it is right now.
Speaker 2: Your guy Quintin to Bow, he's coming back for a
Speaker 2: fifth year. He's got a big chance to make an impact.
Speaker 2: We're lucky to have John du Blois, who's going from
Speaker 2: the best fourth man in the country, and we need
Speaker 2: him to be the best one or two man in
Speaker 2: the country next year. But I'm excited to kind of
Speaker 2: hit a reset button. We're going to have to establish
Speaker 2: who we are, who we want to be, what they
Speaker 2: want this team to look like, what they're going to
Speaker 2: believe in, what they're going to be proud of, And
Speaker 2: I just think that's exciting. Dudley and I got a big,
Speaker 2: big summer of recruiting. He's ridiculous, by the way. We
Speaker 2: just won this thing last Wednesday. We celebrate a little
Speaker 2: bit Thursday when we come home. He calls me Friday night,
Speaker 2: he goes, dude, you're going to kill me. But I
Speaker 2: got to go to Indianapolis and recruit. There's a couple
Speaker 2: of people playing in the Junior Invitational, the Pete de Junior,
Speaker 2: and I got to go see him, and we got
Speaker 2: to keep getting better and It's like, dude, this is
Speaker 2: why we're good because you're wanting to do stuff like this.
Speaker 2: He can't, can't shut it off, and so we're excited.
Speaker 2: It's a different challenge, but ready to get after it
Speaker 2: with this new squad.
Speaker 1: So you guys win the national championship as a team,
Speaker 1: Fred wins the individual championship, and your boy, Kurt Kidayama
Speaker 1: wins bay Hill. You started working he played for you
Speaker 1: when you were an assistant at UNLV. You're still a
Speaker 1: swing coach. That's where we're lucky enough to get to
Speaker 1: spend time together. You must be so proud of him,
Speaker 1: and this is full circle for you, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a kid that you were an assistant, You
Speaker 1: watched him as a as a as a as a
Speaker 1: college player, then you've continued to still work with him.
Speaker 1: He's had success. But then to win Arnold Palmer's tournament
Speaker 1: bay Hill three year exemption that that had to be
Speaker 1: an amazing moment for you because you're working with him
Speaker 1: while he was in college and then to see him
Speaker 1: win his first PGA Tour event, that's a huge feather
Speaker 1: in your cap. How good do you think Kurt can be?
Speaker 2: Well? I got to give a lot of credit to
Speaker 2: Kirk because he has absolutely shaped me as a college
Speaker 2: coach watching his progression. When I say that he was
Speaker 2: bad when he got to UNLB as a freshman as
Speaker 2: an understatement, he could barely break seventy five. And Kurt
Speaker 2: earned the name of the project because he's stunk and
Speaker 2: it was going to be a project to make him better.
Speaker 2: But everyone loved him and everyone wanted to pour into
Speaker 2: him because he was humble, hard working kid. He'd do
Speaker 2: what ever he asked, and he just kept getting better
Speaker 2: in college and stumbled a little bit when he first
Speaker 2: turned pro, and that's when he came to me. I
Speaker 2: think back in twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen, like, coach,
Speaker 2: what's going on? Can you help me? Because I'm not
Speaker 2: playing like I used to. And it's funny because our
Speaker 2: relationship started as just battling on the course. I was
Speaker 2: the twenty seven year old assistant coach. We played golf
Speaker 2: like three times a week. Just I was trying to
Speaker 2: kick his ass and he's trying to kick mine. So
Speaker 2: it was a very competitive start. But what Kurt has
Speaker 2: is sure if I can fully put my finger on it,
Speaker 2: but he's the toughest kid that I've probably ever met
Speaker 2: who plays golf, rises to the occasion in the big moments.
Speaker 2: He's never scared of a thing. He's not scared of
Speaker 2: hard work, sacrifice, doing the extra things that are needed.
Speaker 2: And to watch him win that tournament, I mean he
Speaker 2: was coming down the back nine, Rory Patton, there was
Speaker 2: everyone in there. It was a packed leaderboard, Kepka, he
Speaker 2: was not kept obviously, but he was playing with Victor Hoblin,
Speaker 2: Jordan Speet was on the leaderboard. It was all loaded
Speaker 2: and for him to come through was like perfect for him.
Speaker 2: He had to make that two putt on the final
Speaker 2: green at bay Hill and almost almost made it, hung
Speaker 2: it on the lip. But he's just that tough son
Speaker 2: of a gun. And uh yeah, watching him get this good.
Speaker 2: He played great at the PGA, you know Brooks one,
Speaker 2: but Kitty had. He finished in the top five there
Speaker 2: and he just continues to impress and get better. And
Speaker 2: there's not many guys that are going to outwork him
Speaker 2: and want to be better than he does. So watching
Speaker 2: that happen and being able to pass that on to
Speaker 2: my guys, Look, you don't have to be good right
Speaker 2: now when you're eighteen nineteen. Kurt was terrible, but you
Speaker 2: got to do what he did, and that's get in
Speaker 2: the gym, that's get good grades, that's treat people with respect.
Speaker 2: That's doing everything right that he's done, and that's how
Speaker 2: you've become a great twenty seven year old or thirty
Speaker 2: year old like he is. So couldn't be more proud.
Speaker 1: How important for Kurt was getting Tim Tucker on the
Speaker 1: back Tim Tucker who caddied, he was on Bryson d
Speaker 1: Schambeau's bag when he won his major championship, the US Open.
Speaker 1: If you can caddy for Bryson, you can literally caddy
Speaker 1: for any anything after Caddying for Bryson is literally like
Speaker 1: a vacation. But how important do you think for a
Speaker 1: young player like that to get a guy like Timmy
Speaker 1: t who's had amazing success with Bryson, they won majors,
Speaker 1: they were on Ryder Cups. Do you think that has
Speaker 1: been a huge, huge piece of the puzzle that has
Speaker 1: helped him get to this this point?
Speaker 2: Yeah. There, he just doesn't doesn't win bay Hill without Tuck,
Speaker 2: There's no doubt. And it's a great story because it
Speaker 2: was really, really difficult for Kurt he Uh. He called
Speaker 2: me pretty much in tears after Pebble Beach this week
Speaker 2: because he said, I need to make a change with
Speaker 2: caddy and Brian Martin, who's one of Kurt's best friends
Speaker 2: in the whole world and an awesome guy and an
Speaker 2: awesome caddy, he had to let him go. And I
Speaker 2: think Kurt just had had matured to a point where
Speaker 2: he realized him and Brian were too close, too good
Speaker 2: at friends, and it became just too much of a
Speaker 2: personal thing on the golf course instead of business. And
Speaker 2: Tuck had had been interested in caddying for Kirk for
Speaker 2: a while and he's just brought a level of professionalism
Speaker 2: and he knows how to draw the line. A great
Speaker 2: story of accountability and and uh. And with Kurt, they're
Speaker 2: at Bay Hill and it was on number thirty team
Speaker 2: that twelve thirteen. That's short part four. The water on
Speaker 2: the right, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: He either had to hit an iron or three wood
Speaker 1: if you want to push it down there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you got a wedge in right. So
Speaker 2: Kurt pull pull, draws this wedge and hits it to
Speaker 2: like forty feet and he's like that that wasn't the
Speaker 2: right wind. And He kind of chirped at Tucker like that,
Speaker 2: you got the wind wrong, and Tim goes, I didn't
Speaker 2: know you're going to hit a twenty yard pull hook
Speaker 2: with a with a fifty two degree wedge, dude. And
Speaker 2: it was that moment where he drew the line in
Speaker 2: the sand of I'm not taking your crap. This is
Speaker 2: a business deal. I'm gonna make you a better player,
Speaker 2: but don't come at me when you hit a shot
Speaker 2: like that. That ain't on me. And I think that
Speaker 2: really helped Kurt obviously right there. You know, I remember
Speaker 2: hearing some stories from the two of them coming down
Speaker 2: the stretch. I asked him what he said to him
Speaker 2: after he made that triple bogie in the final round
Speaker 2: on number nine, and Tim said, man, I didn't say anything.
Speaker 2: He goes, He came up to me and said, I'm fine.
Speaker 2: I'm playing so good. I just towed it and it
Speaker 2: went out of balance by an inch. I'm good, dude,
Speaker 2: And it was, you know, Tim just given him confidence
Speaker 2: and obviously he's been been in those big moments. I
Speaker 2: remember he told them on eighteen at Bayhill that he
Speaker 2: needed to slow down and that the TV wasn't going
Speaker 2: to go anywhere without them and just you know, kind
Speaker 2: of made him laugh in the moment. So he's been
Speaker 2: incredible and he's really helped me. Tuck's an awesome guy.
Speaker 2: He loves golf and he's really really smart about the
Speaker 2: process of making a player better, and he's taught me
Speaker 2: a lot, just you know, about air density and how
Speaker 2: far the ball goes. I you know, we figured it
Speaker 2: out so much faster this year in Arizona with it
Speaker 2: being one hundred degree heat in that twenty five hundred elevation.
Speaker 2: The process that Tim gave me to figure out those
Speaker 2: numbers and make the calculations. I absolutely don't think there's
Speaker 2: a coincidence there with our team, you know, playing so
Speaker 2: well all week.
Speaker 1: Lastly, it's one of the cliches in sports. But the
Speaker 1: ten thousand hours of the ten year rule, I mean,
Speaker 1: I believe in it because I started working with Trevor
Speaker 1: Immann on the European Tour in two thousand and two
Speaker 1: and didn't win a major with a player until Ernie
Speaker 1: Els in twenty and twelve. I'm bad at math, but
Speaker 1: I think that's ten years. You said you started at
Speaker 1: Florida in fourteen, it's now twenty three so it's nine years.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that, everything that you've been through,
Speaker 1: what have you learned? And how are you better today
Speaker 1: than you were when you were just starting in fourteen.
Speaker 1: And if you could go back and talk to yourself
Speaker 1: in fourteen, having known what you know now, what would
Speaker 1: be the number one thing that you would say?
Speaker 2: Well, it's such a good question. I was thirty one
Speaker 2: years old, I had already been only been an assistant
Speaker 2: for three and a half years, and I just finished
Speaker 2: sending a lot of text messages that are reflective of
Speaker 2: this the last few days. But Landed and Chip Howard
Speaker 2: and Jeremy Foley the room at Florida who believed in
Speaker 2: me that means everything to me, And this tournament, in
Speaker 2: this title was for them because they saw something in
Speaker 2: me as a thirty one year old that I probably
Speaker 2: didn't see in myself. But they hired me, and I
Speaker 2: think one of the greatest things that ever happened to
Speaker 2: me was it gave me access to the coaching room
Speaker 2: at Florida. And I mentioned them earlier, but Tim Walton,
Speaker 2: Mary Wise, Mouse Holloway, Brian Shelton, all these Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame coaches that are here at Florida coaching their own sport.
Speaker 2: I got to learn and listen of how they deal
Speaker 2: with different circumstances. And that's what this job is is
Speaker 2: it's getting these guys to unite and come together and
Speaker 2: be a team and play at the highest level at
Speaker 2: the right times. And I learned all these tricks and
Speaker 2: it it accelerated my learning curve by so far. And
Speaker 2: there's no way we become the program we have without
Speaker 2: me being able to be around those great coaches. And
Speaker 2: it was, you know, a game changer to be in
Speaker 2: that room. And I think if I could go back
Speaker 2: and give myself one piece of advice, it would probably
Speaker 2: be I don't know, it's such a great question. I've
Speaker 2: just changed so much. I'm not even remotely the same person.
Speaker 2: But so I got my wife scrambling because I got
Speaker 2: my little boy crying here. I didn't have three kids
Speaker 2: either when I started doing this. But I think just
Speaker 2: the patient's part of it, and how important the process is.
Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest thing. I've always been a
Speaker 2: competitor and wanted success now, and unfortunately, as you know
Speaker 2: in golf, it success usually doesn't come on our time,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't come when we think it's going to come.
Speaker 2: So just being patient and doing the right things every day.
Speaker 2: And I love what you said about ten thousand hours.
Speaker 2: I'm the biggest believer in that, and those junior golfers
Speaker 2: out there that are listening, there is nothing that you
Speaker 2: can do that were places hard work and the only
Speaker 2: hours out on the range or out on the chipping
Speaker 2: chipping green or putting green where you're by yourself, putting
Speaker 2: in that time and learning those little things about yourself.
Speaker 2: That's how you're going to become good. And you know,
Speaker 2: I just I'm not the smartest guy, but I know
Speaker 2: how to work hard. And my dad instilled that me.
Speaker 2: He he always told me you don't have to be
Speaker 2: the smartest guy in the room, but if you know
Speaker 2: you're not, you better outwork that guy who's smarter than you.
Speaker 2: And he taught me that at a young age and
Speaker 2: it served me really well in this in this gig.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't tell you how proud I am of you.
Speaker 1: And it's such an enormous feather in your cap to
Speaker 1: be a national champion and to to coach young men
Speaker 1: and help them achieve their dreams.
Speaker 2: Good job, man, Wow, I've really, really appreciated our friendship.
Speaker 2: You've been a wonderful mentor to me. I you know,
Speaker 2: you took me and Quinton in when when I started early,
Speaker 2: and I don't even know why you wanted to help me,
Speaker 2: but you've You've told some great stories and given me
Speaker 2: a kick in the ass at times when I needed
Speaker 2: it and q needed it. But you're a You're a
Speaker 2: hell of a coach, and I admire you and I've
Speaker 2: I've learned a lot watching how you do it and
Speaker 2: how you bring other sports into coaching golf and uh,
Speaker 2: no surprise, your boys are kicking ass at the highest level.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, And and uh, not a hard job
Speaker 1: to be recruiting golfers that want to go to the
Speaker 1: University of Florida right now. I mean it's not you
Speaker 1: don't have to sell now.
Speaker 2: Well that and uh we we probably got a little
Speaker 2: little project that's coming to Gainesville here pretty soon that's
Speaker 2: going to make this place pretty special.
Speaker 1: Well I can't wait to see it. Congrats, and uh,
Speaker 1: great job, thanks brother.
Speaker 2: So that was j C.
Speaker 1: Deacon And yeah, how can you not be a fan
Speaker 1: of that guy? I mean, I just I love the
Speaker 1: way that that he thinks and approaches his craft. We
Speaker 1: bounce ideas off of each other all the time, and
Speaker 1: he says he's learned a lot from me, and I've
Speaker 1: learned an enormous amount for him, and we're kind of
Speaker 1: in the same industry. And to watch, which if you're
Speaker 1: a college golf coach, win a major is winning a
Speaker 1: national championship and for him to get that done the
Speaker 1: fifth one at the University of Florida. They have such
Speaker 1: an amazing, amazing history. So many players playing on the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour have come out of that program, and I
Speaker 1: think you're going to see these kids that just won
Speaker 1: this national championship that are turning pro. I'm definitely going
Speaker 1: to follow him on the corn Ferry and I definitely
Speaker 1: think we will see them playing on the PGA Tour
Speaker 1: very very soon. So congrats to j. C. Deacon and
Speaker 1: to the assistant Dudley Hart, because they got it done.
Speaker 1: And that's got to be one of the best programs
Speaker 1: in the country.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: If you're a college golfer and you're looking for a
Speaker 1: place to go and you want to get better, you
Speaker 1: get in touch with coach Deacon and he'll make you better.
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