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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: and Nathan Ziggura. Let's ave an for the Cross Country

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Speaker 1: and try to avoid it. I just wanted it to

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Speaker 1: be last week? Great effort, pretty standard for my life. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the process was hopeful. Yeah, but you finally have some

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Speaker 1: clarity here at least for now, and we'll go through

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Speaker 1: the specifics of where we are. But the verdict was

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Speaker 1: in this morning. This was probably around eight thirty this morning,

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Speaker 1: Judge Sue Robinson recommending a six game suspension for Deshaun Watson. Um,

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Speaker 1: this is coming off of last night. We got news

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Speaker 1: from the nfl p A that they would not appeal

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Speaker 1: saying that they would not appeal it, hopefully that the

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Speaker 1: NFL would do the same. We now have some clarity

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Speaker 1: on that sort of from the NFL, and also some

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Speaker 1: specifics from Sue L. Robinson on her ruling, the why,

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Speaker 1: do you have for us? Right? So this is her

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Speaker 1: conclude susion from Judge Sue L. Robinson. She said, and

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Speaker 1: I quote the NFL maybe a forward facing organization, but

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Speaker 1: it is not necessarily a forward looking one. Just as

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Speaker 1: the NFL responded to violent conduct after a public outcry,

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Speaker 1: so it seems the NFL is responding to yet another

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Speaker 1: public outcry about Mr Watson's conduct. At least in the

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Speaker 1: former situation, the policy was changed in a pride applied proactively. Here,

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Speaker 1: the NFL is attempting to impose a more dramatic shift

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Speaker 1: and consistency of consequence for those in the NFL subject

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Speaker 1: to the policy. Looking at the record when compared to

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Speaker 1: the relevant precedent, and looking forward to how this disciplinary

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Speaker 1: determination might be used in the future, I find the

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Speaker 1: most appropriate landing place to be as follows one. Mr

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Speaker 1: without pay. Although this is the most significant punishment ever

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Speaker 1: violent sexual conduct, Mr Watson's pattern of conduct is more

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Speaker 1: egregious than any before reviewed by the NFL. Two, recognizing

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Speaker 1: a condition to his reinstatement. Number three, Mr Watson is

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Speaker 1: not commit any additional violations of the policy. So that's

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Speaker 1: what she said. That was her conclusion. There is a

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Speaker 1: document that is now coming out, many many pages going

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Speaker 1: I quote, we thank Judge Sue L. Robinson, the Independent

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Speaker 1: professionalism throughout this process. Pursue into the collective bargaining agreement

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Speaker 1: And I can tell you the Browns have not made

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Speaker 1: what they didn't want, Like owners did not want to

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Speaker 1: she's agreed. But what she has said, which I personally

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Speaker 1: very comfortable certainly in his abilities to lead this football team.

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Speaker 1: And and if the number does stay at six, here's

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about. At the Panthers, the Browns will

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Speaker 1: be favored, my guests, with Jacoby Brisset at quarterback, home

435
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Speaker 1: for the Jets, and Browns will be the favorite. Steelers

436
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Speaker 1: at the Browns Mitch Drobiski against Jacoby Priscaid, I think

437
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Speaker 1: the Bronze will likely be favored in that one. At

438
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Speaker 1: the Falcons and Browns will be favorite. So home for

439
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Speaker 1: the Charges Week five, you'll be an underdog. Week six,

440
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Speaker 1: Patriots probably could go either way. Yeah, we don't know

441
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Speaker 1: what to make it, don't I'm sure what they're gonna

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Speaker 1: look like. Yeah, but this is a six games stretch

443
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Speaker 1: that with Jacoby Brissett a quarterback, you feel like you

444
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Speaker 1: still can have success. You can still go you know,

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Speaker 1: four and two, three and three even, which would probably

446
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Speaker 1: be on the worst side of the scenario or not

447
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Speaker 1: as good an ideal case. But the Kansas City Chiefs

448
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Speaker 1: and the forty Niners, both of whom appeared in their

449
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Speaker 1: conference championship games a year go, both started the season

450
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Speaker 1: three and three last year, and so I like the

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Speaker 1: fact that it's six games, it's four at home, it's

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Speaker 1: only one division game, which is Week three at home

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Speaker 1: on Thursday Night Football against the Steelers, who are have

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Speaker 1: a new quarterback of their own, whether Beat Robisky or

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Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett. And although we're hearing Mason Rudolph is wowing

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Speaker 1: people at camp and as you I but that's kind

457
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Speaker 1: of where you're at right now in terms of all

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Speaker 1: of this. And I think that that is, you know,

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Speaker 1: for the Browns, if this outcome does is the final outcome,

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Speaker 1: the schedule is kind of set up nicely for you

461
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Speaker 1: in this game stretch to be able to have a

462
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Speaker 1: good start your season. Whatever your opinion on the Deshaun

463
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Speaker 1: Watson suspension length is, there was one bit of really

464
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Speaker 1: good news that came out recently, and that's Jack Conklin

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Speaker 1: off the p P list. And why do I say that,

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Speaker 1: Because when you look at those first six weeks of

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Speaker 1: the season, it's it doesn't take a rocket science, it's

468
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Speaker 1: to realize they're gonna rely on their defense and the

469
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Speaker 1: running game, right, and who's one of the best zone

470
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Speaker 1: blocking offensive tackles in the NFL since he got there.

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Speaker 1: That's Jack Conklin. So if he's able to be there

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Speaker 1: in week one to be able to help some of

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Speaker 1: that edge presence and some of those outside zones that

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Speaker 1: they want to run and be able to give them

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Speaker 1: the effective rushing game that they need to be able

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Speaker 1: to keep some of those October ninth, sixteen games against

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Speaker 1: the Chargers and the Patriots. In those games that they

478
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Speaker 1: probably will be the underdog. That would be a huge

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Speaker 1: moment for this team to be able to win one

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Speaker 1: of those games and then go that first four weeks

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Speaker 1: of the season, maybe three out of four, maybe four

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Speaker 1: out of four if things go well. But I think

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Speaker 1: to me that news of Jack Conklin and his health

484
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Speaker 1: is enormous. Knowing that Jacoby is gonna be your guy

485
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Speaker 1: and you're probably gonna lean a little bit more in

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Speaker 1: the run game earlier in the season. It's gigantic. And

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Speaker 1: I think that there was a thought, certainly as I

488
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Speaker 1: stood on the sidelines and watch Jack, watch Jack Ankland

489
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Speaker 1: walk towards me under his own power and then the

490
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Speaker 1: leg completely gave out, and I was horrified seeing it

491
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: that you were hoping maybe he could be back, you know,

492
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Speaker 1: week one, and now coming off the publist. That's where

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Speaker 1: they believe you're able to practice. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: you would take him off the publist unless he could practice, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you keep him on there until he's

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Speaker 1: ready to go, which for me, I I tour a

497
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Speaker 1: tendant in my elbow and they were saying tendons just

498
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Speaker 1: heal incredibly slowly because they don't have a lot of

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Speaker 1: the blood supply that a lot of like ligaments and

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Speaker 1: muscles do, and so they usually take a year or more.

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Speaker 1: And for Jack to be able to come back and

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Speaker 1: under a year and off the publist, which at this

503
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Speaker 1: point in training camp, the teams are gonna air very

504
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Speaker 1: much on the side of caution. They're not gonna throw

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Speaker 1: a guy out there earlier on in training camp unless

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Speaker 1: he is really ready to go, because the last thing

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Speaker 1: you want is another type of injury, whether it be

508
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Speaker 1: the same injury or just be an injury, because you're

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Speaker 1: favoring that the leg that you're coming back off of

510
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Speaker 1: that surgery. And so this is just a fabulous sign

511
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, for the Browns and for that rushing attack,

512
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Speaker 1: having Jack potentially back in week one. How do you

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Speaker 1: guys think, uh coach to Fancy handles the I mean,

514
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Speaker 1: you think about you've got two new quarterbacks and they've

515
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Speaker 1: been here that if they're mini camp, they're installed. All

516
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Speaker 1: that stuff's going on. But but you're still at the

517
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Speaker 1: ground level of these guys fully understanding everything that you

518
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Speaker 1: want to do. And one thing that we know about

519
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Speaker 1: coach to fancy because we saw this with Baker, he

520
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Speaker 1: will put his offense in the best position for that

521
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Speaker 1: quarterback specific skill set. No one is going to argue

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Speaker 1: that Jacoby Brissette has a similar skill set as Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 1: Quite frankly, there aren't five or six people in the

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Speaker 1: league that have the same skill set that Deshaun Watson has.

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Speaker 1: He has a unique talent. So what does it look

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Speaker 1: like here over the next few weeks with Brissette? We

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Speaker 1: say we're gonna rely on the defense, We're gonna lie

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Speaker 1: on the run game. What does Jacoby Brissette do well

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Speaker 1: that we can take advantage of those first six games

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Speaker 1: on the season. Ze, So I think it's good to

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Speaker 1: look a lot like what our offense looked like with

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. I think that's gonna be a lot of

533
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Speaker 1: what they're gonna try to do with Jacobe PRIs said,

534
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Speaker 1: and so you look at the differences, Jacoby said, have

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Speaker 1: the arm that Baker Mayfield has no, but he does

536
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Speaker 1: know his limitations and he takes very good care of

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Speaker 1: the football. You cannot argue with the fact that this

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Speaker 1: is a guy when he was the starter in Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: over two seasons through thirty one passing touchdowns and only

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Speaker 1: thirteen interceptions for his career thirty six touchdowns seventeen interceptions,

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Speaker 1: so better than a two to one touchdown to interception ratio.

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Speaker 1: And so what I would expect them to do is

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Speaker 1: utilize that heavy run game, Utilize some of the play action,

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Speaker 1: some of the boots, get him on the perimeter, as

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Speaker 1: we saw he's done already in training camp. He made

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Speaker 1: a nice deep throw to Mike Woods on Saturday's practice.

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Speaker 1: But my guess is it would be more of a

548
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Speaker 1: ball control offense where you're gonna try to put yourself

549
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Speaker 1: in third and shorts and third and manageables to give

550
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Speaker 1: yourself run pass options. It's not gonna be a case

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Speaker 1: where you want to be in a lot of you know,

552
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Speaker 1: we're just gonna line up in shotguns, spread out, throw

553
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Speaker 1: the football all the game long. We're not going to

554
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Speaker 1: try to be, you know, be in situations where they

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Speaker 1: know we're passing, whereas with de Shaan you can do anything,

556
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if they know you're passing, you feel

557
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: like you're gonna win. A guy completed sent his passes

558
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: ledily at eight point nine yards per attempted through for

559
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Speaker 1: over yards in two thousand and twenties. So I think

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Speaker 1: it'll look more like what we saw the Browns under

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Speaker 1: Baker may feel opposed to what we see when De

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Speaker 1: Shaun's gonna be out there, which is a lot more shotgun,

563
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: a lot more eleven personnel, and a lot more of

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Speaker 1: just letting him dictate where the ball goes and how

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Speaker 1: this offense flows. When you have a quarterback that's as

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Speaker 1: athletic as Deshaun Watson, you want to give him space, right.

567
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Speaker 1: You see what the Ravens do with Lamar Jackson, where

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Speaker 1: they're just trying to get him as much space as

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Speaker 1: possible because that's where he can utilize his advantage athletically

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Speaker 1: over the defenders. When you got a guy like Jacoby

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Speaker 1: who doesn't throw the football quite as well as Deshaun Watson,

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Speaker 1: or like you mentioned, Baker Mayfield but he still has

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Speaker 1: that athleticism. You want to find a nice balance between

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Speaker 1: giving him space but also not putting him in situations

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Speaker 1: where he turns the football over, because, like you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't great job protecting the football. You're gonna rely

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Speaker 1: heavily on your defense and you're running game in those

578
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Speaker 1: games where he's your quarterback, and you want to also

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Speaker 1: give him opportunities where he can convert some of those

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Speaker 1: third and six with his feet, where he can get

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Speaker 1: outside the pocket and put defenders in a bind where

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Speaker 1: they don't know if he's gonna roam with the football

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Speaker 1: or he's gonna get an easy completion into the flat

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Speaker 1: to his full back or to his his half back

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Speaker 1: or a slot receiver. And so I think it provides

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Speaker 1: a huge advantage when you have a quarterback that does

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Speaker 1: protect the football but also has got a little bit

588
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Speaker 1: of wheels to him, and he's got that experience under

589
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Speaker 1: his belt to understand, Hey, I got a great defense

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Speaker 1: on the other side, I've also got a really good

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Speaker 1: run game, so I don't have to take the risks

592
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Speaker 1: maybe that are necessary sometimes to win football games when

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Speaker 1: you don't have that good defense that's gonna get you

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Speaker 1: the football back right away everything you guys just said.

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Speaker 1: As you guys are describing all of that, I immediately

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Speaker 1: went back to the Thursday night game Keena played last year.

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Speaker 1: We won by a field goal fourteen something like that,

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Speaker 1: but it felt like it was It felt like it

599
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: was by tan or more like there was no chance

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Speaker 1: you were losing. It was a very measured performance. It

601
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Speaker 1: was a very take care of the ball performance. It

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Speaker 1: was full command. The other thing that I would think

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Speaker 1: would be really important on this will ask you the

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Speaker 1: off because you would know if we are going to

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Speaker 1: play that type of offense, everybody else on that offense,

606
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Speaker 1: with the exception to a Mari Cooper, knows it. They

607
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: would all be used to playing it because it's what

608
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Speaker 1: we've done. If it's the Baker Mayfield Kevin Sefanski offense,

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Speaker 1: it's what we've done the last two years. So with

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Speaker 1: the exception of a Mari Cooper and Jacoby Brissette, who's

611
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Speaker 1: the ultimate pro, those guys have to get up to

612
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: speak that, everybody else would be very familiar playing that

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Speaker 1: style absolutely. And you know you've got David and Joco

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Speaker 1: and Harrison Bryan. If you want to run some of

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Speaker 1: those two tight end sets. You've got We mentioned the receivers,

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Speaker 1: and then of course you've got Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt,

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Speaker 1: Andy Ernest Johnson, and I think you brought up a

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00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: great point right there talking about that Thursday night game

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Speaker 1: with case Keenum. The Browns felt that Jacoby Brissette could

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Speaker 1: give them more at the position than case Keeno. What

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Speaker 1: case Keenum did was come in and run the offense

622
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Speaker 1: as it was supposed to be. The layups or layups.

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Speaker 1: He would take what the defense gave him. That's what

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Speaker 1: they feel like they can get from Jacoby Brissette, but

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Speaker 1: getting it and a guy who's sixty five, a guy

626
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Speaker 1: who will extend a drive or two with his legs.

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Speaker 1: He averaged about a one and a half first downs

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Speaker 1: per game rushing as a starter with Indianapolis. He's also

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Speaker 1: great in short yard and situations as a quarterback sneaker,

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Speaker 1: and that is something that actually turns out to be important,

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Speaker 1: and if you watch the Browns the last three years,

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Speaker 1: you know that it can be important late in games.

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Speaker 1: And so they feel like he's somebody that will run

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Speaker 1: the offense the way that they want it to be run.

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Speaker 1: He will not lose the Browns any games, and if

636
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Speaker 1: the Browns are because of the strength of the overall roster,

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Speaker 1: if you get a quarterback play where that is not

638
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: the reason you're losing, the Browns feel like they have

639
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: a good chance to win more often than not. And

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Speaker 1: when you look at the first four games, specifically Carolina,

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Speaker 1: all right, they're gonna have either Baker or Sam Donald

642
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Speaker 1: that's their quarterback, right uh, the Jets second year quarterback,

643
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: Zack Steelers, first year Falcons first year quarterback. When you

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Speaker 1: have a guy who has a good defense like the

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Speaker 1: Browns have and he doesn't make stakes, you're a young quarterback,

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Speaker 1: or you're a quarterback that's maybe competing for a job

647
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: like in Carolina, they're gonna start feeling that pressure in

648
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: the second half, like I gotta go make a play

649
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: because it's a tight game, or the other teams up

650
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: and their defense is really good, and this quarterback is

651
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: not making any mistakes. He's not giving us the football,

652
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Speaker 1: he's not giving us any short fields, so I gotta

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Speaker 1: go out and make a play. And then that's where

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00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: those mistakes happen. And as a rookie, it goes cascading

655
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Speaker 1: from one mistake into the next mistake. So I think

656
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: it's a huge advantage for the Browns to be playing

657
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: some young quarterbacks when you've got a guy who doesn't

658
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,719
Speaker 1: make mistakes, and by the second half, all of a sudden,

659
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: the other team's quarterback is starting to think, Hey, I

660
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: gotta take these chances, because if I want to win

661
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: this game, it's got to happen now, because they're not

662
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: gonna just give it away. And not only a young

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Speaker 1: quarterback in the case of Zake Wilson, but the other

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Speaker 1: three that you mentioned, Baker Mayfield or Sam Donald, Mitch

665
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Speaker 1: Drabinsky or when you go to Atlanta, Marcus Mariota who

666
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Speaker 1: is slated to start there, and maybe Desmond Ridder or

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Speaker 1: pick it overtake them by that point, but then it

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Speaker 1: would be a rookie. As he said, these are three

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Speaker 1: guys who are honestly playing for their NFL careers. Four

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Speaker 1: guys if you had Donald into the mix with Baker,

671
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: guys who are trying to re establish themselves as starters

672
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: in the NFL, Mariota, Trabinsky, Donald, Baker, guys who are

673
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: trying to keep their job going throughout the course of

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Speaker 1: the season, and to do that they need to win

675
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: and to be a team that is constructed like ours,

676
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: they are going to have to take some risks, and

677
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: I think we have the defense and capitalize on that.

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00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: And to your point, if Jakobe takes care of the football,

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Speaker 1: we should be in a good spot. So I think

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Speaker 1: we will be favored in four to five of those

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Speaker 1: first six games. Definitely four, and there's a good chance

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Speaker 1: that we can go four and two, three and three,

683
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: which you're in the mix. You're in the mix at

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00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: that point. Only one division game as well, Steelers. And

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Speaker 1: it's let's be honest about it, and we would have

686
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: said this in years past, but of the three teams

687
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: that you have to play in this division, that's the

688
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: one that you would want to play in this stretch,

689
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: and you're getting them at home on a short week.

690
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: The facts of the situation, Homer's all three of us

691
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Speaker 1: aside Steelers are gonna be picked last in the a

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Speaker 1: f C North national media people. I don't maybe there's

693
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Speaker 1: gonna be some bozoo out there who picked somebody else,

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Speaker 1: but they're expected to finish last. That's got the least

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Speaker 1: experienced quarterback, they've got the least amount of talent and

696
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: weapons on offense, and so that's exactly like what you said.

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Speaker 1: You want to play Pittsburgh early on. You feel really

698
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Speaker 1: good about playing them early in the season when you

699
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Speaker 1: don't have your study at quarterback yet. Do you think

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00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: people realize how big Brossett is. I don't think unless

701
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 1: you've been out here, or unless you've seen him in person,

702
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't know that people realize a big, big and

703
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: he's not a scrambler person. What he's good at is

704
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: being kind of almost a power runner. Will get you

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00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: four or five yards of scramble. He's not gonna have

706
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Speaker 1: many long ones. A long run of his careers twenty

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Speaker 1: seven yards. But he's a guy that will be able

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Speaker 1: to when it's third and three, he can lower the

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Speaker 1: head and carry somebody for three point one yards first

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Speaker 1: down for the Browns. Great point guard in high school.

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Speaker 1: He's he doesn't have the long speed, but he's big, athletic,

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Speaker 1: and he's quick. You can just broke the ball. You

713
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Speaker 1: know that too. It went out to the Cavs facility,

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Speaker 1: he won the three point contest. I'm not surprised smooth

715
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Speaker 1: John offers to play college basketball. Smooth jumper. The other

716
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Speaker 1: thing too, that that now shifts into focus. Now that

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Speaker 1: we know is the backup situation, and Josh Dobbs has

718
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: been here for a long time. Josh Rosen is here

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Speaker 1: as well. Uh, that backup quarterback situation is one that

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Speaker 1: that bears a lot of attention here over the next month.

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Speaker 1: So far in this training camp period, and again Josh

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Speaker 1: Rosen just got here. Josh Dobbs is the only one

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Speaker 1: getting third team reps. And so one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: when people look at this, yes, of course you need

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Speaker 1: four quarterbacks here. And one of the reasons that you

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Speaker 1: need four quarterbacks here is because now we know of

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Speaker 1: the suspension, teams carry always have three quarterbacks on their roster.

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Speaker 1: The way that a lot of teams do it now

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Speaker 1: is the left to active one on the practice squad.

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Speaker 1: And so my guests would be that if it was

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Speaker 1: if it were today, the Browns going, there's coach Tarver

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Speaker 1: out there getting fired up, making the rounds as only

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Speaker 1: he can. You've got Bresset as your starter, Dobbs as

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Speaker 1: your backup, and my guess is that Rosen would be

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Speaker 1: on the paris right now when we get into these

736
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Speaker 1: preseason games. How they performed could end up you know,

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Speaker 1: switching that if if Rosen gets some chances out here,

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Speaker 1: but that's preseason. Also, Sudden becomes really fascinating to me

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Speaker 1: as well. It just got more interesting by you think

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Speaker 1: plays right, because I would want to. You're gonna want

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Speaker 1: to put him out there with the ones, and so

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Speaker 1: however the number of reps your ones are gonna get,

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Speaker 1: maybe you give de Sewan and then go to Brissette.

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Speaker 1: But you have to find some balance between those two guys,

745
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: because DeShawn needs to get on the same page with

746
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: his guys in full speed game reps so that when

747
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: he comes back, he's not having full speed game reps

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Speaker 1: for the first time with an entire unit. I think

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00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. We'll see de Sean. I wonder if

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Speaker 1: we see Jacoby Brissette at all in the preseason, But

751
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: I still think you have to give him some of

752
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: the reps with the number ones because you gotta get

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Speaker 1: him up to speed too. He hasn't played with anything

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00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: throw this at yet. But the question is, Koby, let

755
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: me throw this because a lot of teams are playing

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Speaker 1: their ones. How about Jacoby gets all the one reps

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Speaker 1: in the joint practices with the Eagles in a safe,

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Speaker 1: controlled environment where he really is not open to injury

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Speaker 1: of any kind, and so that he gets them all

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Speaker 1: that week, all of them, and then de Sean can

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00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: work in the preseason. But the thought to me of

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Speaker 1: exposing Jacoby Brissette to injury in the preseason when it

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Speaker 1: would be I feel like, obviously, look, the drop from

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00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson and Jacoby is steep because the Shan's elite,

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Speaker 1: But the drop from Jacoby to Josh Dobbs or Josh

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00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: Rosen feels like, Okay, now we're scared. But at the

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Speaker 1: same time, you gotta get them ready, you know you can't.

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Speaker 1: I like, I really like what you're saying. Um, But

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Speaker 1: when I sometimes when I think about quarterback injuries, I

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Speaker 1: think less about the you know, one and two and

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Speaker 1: three week injuries because usually those guys don't have them.

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Speaker 1: It's you're either healthy or it's a it's a big one.

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Speaker 1: And so I think if you're looking at the likelihood

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Speaker 1: of what type of injuries could happen to your quarterback

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Speaker 1: in a preseason game, you're saying there's probably not going

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00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: to be an injury that happens to your quarterback that

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00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: knocks him out for just a few weeks. Sure, I mean,

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00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: he just started throwing out, well, these are the these

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00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: are the things that you and I guarantee that they

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Speaker 1: have laid that out and I would imagine they've had

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Speaker 1: a big discussion about and I think those joint practices

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Speaker 1: are valuable part of You may say, do we want

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Speaker 1: to Shaun to get some work in those joint practices?

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Speaker 1: And my guess is probably yeah, but maybe he gets

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Speaker 1: all the two reps in those joint practices against the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into that a little bit next. Now that

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Speaker 1: we know what this should be as it stands today,

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Speaker 1: what is the plan that makes the most sense for

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson getting him ready for week seven over the

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Speaker 1: course of this month, over the course of those when

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Speaker 1: we when he comes back late September early October. How

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Speaker 1: do you make sure that's happening. Because there's one thing

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Speaker 1: that I'm not sure a lot of people know that

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00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: to me, Thick factors into that in a very, very

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the By the way, Deshaan

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00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: just ran out here, uh and and ready for practice

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Speaker 1: in front of the fans out here and bore as

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Speaker 1: we get ready to start the second public practice here

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Speaker 1: of training Camp two thousand and twenty two. Let's go

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Speaker 1: through that plan. Joe, he's this and this is something

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00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: I alluded to in the tease. He has been here

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Speaker 1: pretty much consistently since March. I mean he's been here

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Speaker 1: all summer went and oftentimes he would be one of

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Speaker 1: the few guys who was here. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: rare and this is an meant to be a shot

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Speaker 1: at others, but that was not the case with others

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Speaker 1: the last four years. Like he, I've only been doing.

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Speaker 1: This is my fifth year on the show, so that's

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Speaker 1: all I can go is what I've seen the last

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Speaker 1: four years. He's been here all summers, so I think

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Speaker 1: he's got a real good handle on what's expected of him.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's a big head start. How

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Speaker 1: do you handle him if you're Stefanski here, over over

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Speaker 1: this camp, over that time when he's gone when he

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Speaker 1: can't have the contact, and then the three weeks when

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Speaker 1: he gets back. So I think anybody that's seen him,

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Speaker 1: whether you been like the big mr Z right here

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Speaker 1: and you've been watching him in person for a while,

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Speaker 1: or if you're fans and you got a chance to

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Speaker 1: see him for the first time on Saturday, there's not

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00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: a lot of rust and DeShawn w game right like.

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Speaker 1: He looks like he has not missed a snap of football,

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Speaker 1: even though he was all of last year not there.

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Speaker 1: So it's not a matter of him needing the practice

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Speaker 1: time so that he can learn the playbook, because, like

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, the guy has been meticulous study habits. He

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00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: knows exactly what he needs to do. He's got tremendous

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Speaker 1: amounts of experience at a high level in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: But for him the reason that he needs these reps

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Speaker 1: is for him to get on the same page with

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Speaker 1: these other guys. A lot of it is getting on

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Speaker 1: the same page with a new center. Like if J. C.

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Speaker 1: Treader was here and he'd been here forever, it's a

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Speaker 1: lot easier to get on a page with a guy

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Speaker 1: that's been here a long time and you're speaking a

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Speaker 1: lot of the same terms and you're kind of reflecting

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Speaker 1: back on some of the experiences that you've had. All

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Speaker 1: I remember, you know, watching you guys against the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: This is how you handled that blitz. Let's do it

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Speaker 1: that way. But next conversation, when you got a young

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Speaker 1: guy who's really in his first time as a as

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Speaker 1: a starter, there's a little bit more conversation that needs

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Speaker 1: to happen. There's a lot more growth that needs to

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Speaker 1: happen between you and your center. But more than anything,

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's the growth between Dashaun and his receivers,

858
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: right because there's a lot of new faces for him,

859
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: but also for the Cleveland Browns, and so figuring out

860
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: what those guys are gonna do when they're running a fade,

861
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: when when they've got the opportunity to break it off

862
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: and go back shoulder or keep it high like he

863
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: needs to get on the same page to be able

864
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: to see the same things that those guys see when

865
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: they're running into the spaces in the zone, when they're

866
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: breaking off the routes on man coverage, so that they're

867
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: all on the same page. And I think that's why

868
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: you've got to find a way to balance the reps

869
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: between Jacoby, who's gonna be your guy for probably the

870
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: first six weeks of the season, and Deshaun, who's gonna

871
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: be your guy at that point going forward for a

872
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: long time. And we'll be I'll be curious again. I

873
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: went back while we were talking early and rewatch the

874
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: tape from Saturday, and I did have that right that

875
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: Watson would take his normal four with the first team

876
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: per Sette would get his four, but the first the

877
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: first reps of the fifth rep of the team periods,

878
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: the one offensive line would stay with him, and then

879
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: he would get three with the second team number one.

880
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: It's always a four four, you know, that's usually four

881
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: or four four and then maybe a two depending on

882
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: how it goes in these camp situations. But from an

883
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: offensive line perspective, is it are you Okay, getting that

884
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: fifth rep when you're normally getting four kind of how

885
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: does that you know, I'm being serious, How does that

886
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: kind of factor in knowing what we're all trying to

887
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: accomplish here, and the fact that these are camp reps

888
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: at this time and you know, we don't we haven't

889
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: had the pads, and I bet with the pads on,

890
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: it will be different than when we're just out here

891
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: and shell and where you know, the guardian caps. When

892
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: you're in camp as a lineman, you're always looking for

893
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: something to gripe about. It doesn't matter what it is.

894
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how cheery things are, how easy these

895
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: training camps are compared to what they used to be.

896
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: You'll always find something to complain about. And if they

897
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: give you an extra rep when it's hot and a

898
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: little bit more of a human day out here today, uh,

899
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: those guys are gonna be complaining because you're already a

900
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: little bit more tired at the end, and it's where

901
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: you're usually sipping water and uh slapping asses on the sideline,

902
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: but now you're standing out there one more time and uh,

903
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: you know what you understand in the big picture, though,

904
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: what the importance of that rep is gonna be because

905
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: these are the two quarterbacks that you've got to be

906
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: able to get on the same page with. And I think,

907
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, if you had a quarterback that was stepping

908
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: in that had been around for a long time and

909
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: they'd been playing and getting those reps in previous training camps,

910
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: it might be a little bit easier. But I think

911
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 1: there's definitely gonna be a sense of urgency around here

912
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: for these guys, and there has been thus far of Hey,

913
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: we gotta make these reps count because you only get

914
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: so many of these before it's all of a sudden

915
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: Week one and Jacoby Brissetts under center. So we need

916
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: to make sure that we see the defense the exact

917
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: same way. The words that we use to communicate on

918
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: the offensive line are being set in our heads before

919
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: the quarterback even says it, so you know when it's loud,

920
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: because it will be loud no matter what the score is.

921
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: Week one of the season, it's gonna be loud in Carolina.

922
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of piston vinegar on that

923
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: offensive line between the old line and the D line,

924
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: and they need to be able to be ready when

925
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: those bullets are flying. We talked a lot about you

926
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: know you mentioned Nick Harrison mentioned j C haven't been

927
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: here for so long, and now Nick Harris takes over.

928
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: How big is it? Put it into our words? He

929
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: told us I interviewed him last week that for him

930
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: it was massive. But what does it mean? Because remember

931
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: the last two training camps, j C didn't really participate.

932
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: So Nick Harris has been the starting center in training

933
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: camp and gotten those reps in between Why and Joel

934
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: for really three years now starting this being the third

935
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: of those three. How big is that? For his ability

936
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 1: to accelerate it and and be speaking the same language

937
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: with everybody on the line, but then also with these

938
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks speaking the same language is is huge. Having that experience,

939
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: and really he's probably the most experienced center to be

940
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: starting that has only started one game in his career

941
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: because of the amount of practice that he's taken when

942
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: j C couldn't practice. Um, so I think they gotta

943
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: feel pretty good about that. But really, the most growth

944
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: that you have as an offensive line happens on game day, right.

945
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: It happens when things are going on that you didn't

946
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: practice for that you're having to communicate on the line

947
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and make changes to the game plan before

948
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: you even get to the sidelines. Those are the things

949
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: I think that a veterans center provides you that a

950
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: rookie doesn't exactly know, you know, what tool to pull

951
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: out of his tool bellt in that situation, and you

952
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: gotta wait to get to the sidelines to be able

953
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: to have the coach say, all, right, what did you see.

954
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: Here's what the picture was upstairs. This is what happened.

955
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: If we see that again, because I'm sure they're probably

956
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: gonna flip it and we're gonna see it just from

957
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: the other side of the field. This whatever blitz is

958
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: that that got us, This is how we're gonna handle it,

959
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: And then I think it'll it'll click. But for for

960
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: Nick getting those reps, and I think that's why he

961
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: will probably see him a little bit more in preseason

962
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: with the one unit, trying to get those guys as

963
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: close to a live rep feel as possible, to get

964
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: some of that learning that happens that can only happen

965
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: against a different color helmet. When you're keeping scoring the scoreboard,

966
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: you're talking about that extra rep and and like, boy,

967
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: who wants to do it in this heat and all

968
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: of that. I imagine it is. No one wants to

969
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: take an extra rep this time. But it's probably easier

970
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: when you think to yourself, with Jacobe, we win fifty

971
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: five six our games. With Watson, we can win the

972
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Like that's it's one thing to have that.

973
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: To me, that's different, like you can We've we're not

974
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: even a weekend. We've never had anybody like this. No, No,

975
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, so this is that that makes

976
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: it a little easier, I would think, right, it's kind

977
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: of like me and you bow when we show up

978
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: to work making and we got You know, there's a

979
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: little more motivation when you're the great Z and you're

980
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: making hundreds of millions of dollars. Media is he in

981
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: has He's on the curb right in front of us,

982
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: miles big Mr. Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm sixteen lots away.

983
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: I gotta every time a picture of you if if

984
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: I met you every day walks through exactly exactly all right.

985
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: They are just getting started out here, guys out here

986
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: running around a little bit, a little bit of stretching,

987
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: some early preliminary work here at camp. We will paint

988
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: that picture for you guys, and we've obviously the news

989
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: of the day is the suspension, but there's also been

990
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: a lot that's happened here. We had a full practice

991
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: on Saturday. We need to recap some of Joe's early

992
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: impressions of camp as well, so you have that to

993
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: look forward to, which is nice. You listen to Cleveland

994
00:46:43,280 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: Brown's Daily on a fifty YESPN Cleveland, Cleveland Browns Daily

995
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 1: and Cleveland all Right, welcome into the second hour of

996
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. Were we the last forty Yeah, Bo, the

997
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: great Z and the hof back together. Yeah. When's the

998
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: last time last year at the end of the year.

999
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: I think since Paratrooper in in the off season in

1000
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: a while. You know, I usually come in for the draft,

1001
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: but they had me in Vegas with the NFL Network

1002
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: doing the pre draft show, so I didn't get to

1003
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: come back. Yeah, hang out with my two best friends,

1004
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: and anybody could ever have that, the whole world could

1005
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: ever have. Yeah. Obviously, the majority of the first hour

1006
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: of the program we discussed, uh, not only the process,

1007
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: the penalty, the six game suspension for Deshaun Watson um

1008
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: the NFL p A not appealing that process. Deshaun Watson's

1009
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: camp not necessarily happy with the length of that suspension,

1010
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: but accepting of the process. The NFL as yet to

1011
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 1: make it publicly known if they are going to appeal

1012
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: that or not. But they did make it publicly known

1013
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: that they were going to accept or that they were

1014
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: they were they were appreciative of the process from Sue L. Robinson,

1015
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: but no no word yet if they will appeal or not.

1016
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: We went over all of the kind of the particulars

1017
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: of that over the first hour of the program. So

1018
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: in terms of the football outside of that, which we've

1019
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: had a lot of. What's let's start with you, haf

1020
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: You you were here on Saturday. What jumped out to

1021
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: you about the two thousand Cleveland Browns your first time

1022
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: taking them in person. Well, I think if anybody's out

1023
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: here watching, they're gonna see Deshaun Watson at quarterback and

1024
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: what he brings to this team. And it's pretty easy

1025
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: to see why the Browns made the moves that they

1026
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: did to bring him in, because he just puts your

1027
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: offense and your team in a different category. He puts

1028
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: you in the category of teams that are likely to

1029
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: be in the conversation when the end of the season

1030
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: comes around for home field advantage throughout the playoffs, uh

1031
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: top seeds division winners like he is just that type

1032
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: of a force at quarterback. He gives you the ability

1033
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: to do anything that you want. On offense. You can

1034
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: run a shotgun offense that's throwing the football with it

1035
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: within the pocket. You can run an offense that's in

1036
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: the shotgun that is getting outside more like a run

1037
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: and shoot where you're using his legs to throw on

1038
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: the run. You can put an extra couple of tight

1039
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: ends in the game, like we've seen a lot from

1040
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski in the last few years, and he can

1041
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: run that offense with under center running the boots and

1042
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: the play actions. So he gives you the ability to

1043
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: be anything that you want. And that dynamic nous that

1044
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: he brings allows an offensive mind like Kevin Stefanski to

1045
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: look at a defense's true weaknesses and go at them,

1046
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: not worrying about what his own weaknesses are at the

1047
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: quarterback position or on offense. He can truly just say

1048
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 1: this is the absolute best way to attack this defense.

1049
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: And That's what I'm gonna do to him. Talk about

1050
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: Alex Van Pelt about the Shawn Watson, and he said, basically,

1051
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: we are without limits or restrictions and what we want

1052
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: to do in terms of game plan design, play calling,

1053
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: in the stru for of our offense and how we

1054
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: want to attack defenses. What becomes very apparent. I'm thrilled

1055
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: for you to be out here to see it today.

1056
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: What becomes very apparent when you watch Deshaun Watson out

1057
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: here is that it's unlike anything that we have had

1058
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: with the Cleveland Browns. And of course that makes a

1059
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: lot of sense. The ball, that effortless nature of his

1060
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: ability to throw the ball to every single level of

1061
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: the field and to do so accurately, the way the

1062
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: ball looks in the air, it all is different, and

1063
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: that's why there is such an excitement about him. Amari

1064
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: Cooper while you were gone, did a prescont and said,

1065
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: calls him the magician because he said, he can make

1066
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: every single play, He can get me the ball really

1067
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: no matter what else is happening around me or around him,

1068
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: and so he brings that special factor. And listen, this

1069
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: is a league in which in order to have sustained

1070
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: success and to make runs in the playoffs, you've got

1071
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: to be able to throw the ball and win when

1072
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: teams know you need to throw the ball. He gives

1073
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: us that that's something that we really have not had,

1074
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: and so I think that is the most exciting part

1075
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: about it, and that's what people are gonna see immediately

1076
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: when you come out here. And then I'll flip it around.

1077
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: On the other side, Miles and Clowney together are problems.

1078
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: We know that the Browns had a thirty pressure rate

1079
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 1: when the two of them were on the field together

1080
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: last year. That was the highest of any team given

1081
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: any tandem in the league. And then the back end

1082
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: of our defense, to me, appears to be absolutely phenomenal.

1083
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: We haven't even seen Denzel in these team periods, but

1084
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: you're talking about Greg Greedy looks great. M j. Emerson

1085
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: has looked good. A J. Green had a big interception

1086
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: on Friday's practice and he's looked great. And then we'll

1087
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: get Denzel out there, and then the safety is your

1088
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: top three or all back. Ronnie has looked excellent, Grant

1089
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: continues look good, as is John Johnson. So I just

1090
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: feel like this is a defense that has an opportunity

1091
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: to be not just good, not just help us win,

1092
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: but to be truly considered one of the elite defenses

1093
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's just an impressive looking group. There's

1094
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that passed the look test. There's

1095
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that look I mean, this seems

1096
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna sound absurd, but if you follow me, I

1097
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: think it makes sense. We got a lot of guys

1098
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: who look really cool in uniforms. We've got a ton

1099
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: of them on the defensive side, there's like ten of them,

1100
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: and just carry themselves with a certain bounce. There's a

1101
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: certain swagger to it. I love the fact that so

1102
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 1: many of them are around the same size, the same height,

1103
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: the same weight. We talk about that the interchangeable parts. Uh,

1104
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: the this the way the whole defense. It's it's really

1105
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 1: jumps out when you see him out here in person,

1106
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: just just the the type of havoc that they ought

1107
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 1: to be able to wreak. Your good friend Omar Ruiz

1108
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: was with us less and he's a great human, and

1109
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: he said, he goes, this team really has kind of

1110
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: the like get off. They passed the get off the

1111
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: bus test. You watched this football team and these guys

1112
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: in this collection of athletes and the size that they have,

1113
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: and you say, Okay, this is a team that is

1114
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: a team of consequence and then you throw the skill

1115
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: into it and that's where it gets can get real special.

1116
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: You can tell why you've heard these comments from the

1117
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: defense about how excited they are to get out there.

1118
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: There's there's a different feeling, I think throughout the entire team,

1119
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: but on the defense, uh specifically about how excited they

1120
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: are to get out there and play together in Joe

1121
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: Woods system for year three with Joe, to be able

1122
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: to show what they possibly can be when they're not

1123
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: being put in so many difficult situations like they were

1124
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: down the stretch last season. And you can see it

1125
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: with a little bit of pop and swagger. When you

1126
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 1: have a defense like that that knows something special is coming,

1127
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: you can just feel it. And I think that's one

1128
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: thing that the fans are gonna feel when they're out here,

1129
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: a little confidence, a little bit extra swagger from that

1130
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: defense that maybe we hadn't seen thus far. And I

1131
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: think the one thing we're really looking at on the

1132
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: defense in terms of what is unknown right is who

1133
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: emerges in the defensive tackle room. And Jordan Elliott came

1134
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: in at three twenty and looks chiseled into so they

1135
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: were very pleased with what his spring has been like.

1136
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: You bring in a guy like Tavin Bryan, But I

1137
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: want to flip something around you and ask you from

1138
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: an offensive line standpoint, because of the drafting of Alex Right,

1139
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: the Browns really have three guys now who are very

1140
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: capable of the defensive end position of rushing from the inside.

1141
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: You brought Chase Winovitch here. Apparently there's mutual interests. There

1142
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: have been reports between the Browns and bringing Tech McKinley

1143
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: back as his rehabit is progressed. But let's just say,

1144
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: in past rushing situations called a third and ten, if

1145
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: the Browns had the ability to have Miles Clowney, Alex Right,

1146
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: and Chase Winovitch, who had eleven Saxon's first two seasons

1147
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: off of the edge, what does that do to an

1148
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: offensive line when you have four defensive ends on the

1149
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: field at once, but two of whom in the inside

1150
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: are big enough to hold up if you try to

1151
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: run a draw, but at the same time are gonna

1152
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: be tough for guards to deal with. Well, it makes

1153
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: it very difficult. If you guys, remember Miles Garrett's first

1154
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: sack was over the guard right. When you put those

1155
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: big guys inside and they're able to play in space um,

1156
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: and you're making those bigger guys, the guards and the

1157
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,439
Speaker 1: centers who are not used to playing against ultra quick

1158
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: players like you mentioned, the Miles Garrett's, the Judevian clowneys.

1159
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: It becomes a big problem because the great equalizer on

1160
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: the inside with your guards and centers, which the Great

1161
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: Bob Wiley always used to say that Garden Center it's

1162
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: the last stop on the bus line, because if you

1163
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: can't make it there, you're not a good enough athlete

1164
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: to do anything else in the football field, Buck coach.

1165
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: So those are here pretty much your worst athletes on

1166
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: the field. And when they're seeing a guy who's got athleticism,

1167
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: who's running a four six like a Miles Garrett or

1168
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: Attack McKinley or one of those stand up guys that

1169
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna put on the inside, you're getting really nervous

1170
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: because you don't have your equalizer anymore, which is I

1171
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: can be a battering ram and bash you into the

1172
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: ground because we're gonna run the football when it's third

1173
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: and six, and you don't have that option. It's a

1174
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: problem because now you're trying to play in space. You're

1175
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: trying to pick your quickness up to the level of

1176
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: a guy who's twice as quick as you are, and

1177
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: a lot of times you're zigging when he's already started

1178
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: zags already. And so really, from a defensive standpoint, I mean,

1179
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: it becomes uh an ability for Joe Woods to be

1180
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: incredibly dynamic and creative with his pressure looks, with his

1181
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: personnel groupings, with confusion of those quarterbacks, and we go

1182
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: back to the first four weeks of the season. You

1183
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: got Jacoby Brissett as your quarterback, likely and they're gonna

1184
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: be playing against quarterbacks that are largely inexperienced. Most most

1185
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: of those four quarterbacks are probably guys that don't have

1186
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: a ton of experience or a certainly have not started

1187
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: as much. And so now you're going to it's the

1188
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: defense on third down where you don't know who's pressuring,

1189
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: You don't know which guys are dropping into coverage, you

1190
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: don't know where the guys you need to identify that

1191
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 1: are going to be part of the blitzer. And now

1192
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: that slows down your progressions in your process of reading

1193
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: the defense to the point where now you're making mistakes,

1194
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: and now you're trying to play catch up once the

1195
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: ball is snap. You're trying to speed up your thought process,

1196
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: which is not a position that you want to be in.

1197
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: When you have a quarterback with uh nrea area start

1198
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: under his belt like some of these guys might have,

1199
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: and you're worried about your internal clock because Miles Garrett

1200
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: is coming and he's gonna be your ass. Yeah, that's

1201
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: exactly right. We are in some positional warming ups here.

1202
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: You got the guys breaking off into various stations, kind

1203
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: of rotating through quickly in terms of guys not practicing

1204
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: today in a full right in front of us, in fact,

1205
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: getting loose doing some work. You have Denzel Award, you

1206
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: have a Walk, you have Anthony Schwartz, and you have

1207
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: that David Bell. Yeah, those are the four guys that

1208
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: are down. Bell Ward and Anthony Walker Jr. Still on

1209
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: the Puppalist. Jack Conklin was can off the puppelist, and

1210
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: I was trying to use my my lasic to see

1211
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: way over the old line to see if I could

1212
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: see Jack, but not yet. Sometimes coughing help us you

1213
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: see a little bit better. I noticed that I'm seeing

1214
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: a seventy eight out there, unless it's seventy six. I

1215
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: got fairly good vision, but it sure looks like at

1216
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: seventy eight out there. I'm gonna go sneak over there

1217
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: at three o'clock and Thomas follow me on Twitter or

1218
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: now Instagram, which is brand new for me. Still trying

1219
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: to figure that out. How could anybody not be following

1220
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: you at this point, I mean they appreciate you saying that.

1221
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: By the way, Um, while we're going through various various processes,

1222
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: we are also going through our own training camp of

1223
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: sorts here on the radio row, and that we are

1224
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: now conducting this show from a sauna, and that's something

1225
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: that you normally don't do normally, fourth workout of the day.

1226
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: Already normally, in a normal situation in a broadcast, you

1227
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: want a nice, cool room. And in fact, Dave contable

1228
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: for having a cold studio because it keeps the energy up.

1229
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: A warm studio oftentimes would make you asleep, but it

1230
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: would make you tired. This is so damn hot that

1231
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: I think it even goes beyond tired. This is almost

1232
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: like go take a cold shower. Hops Happy Hops, still dry,

1233
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: trying to drop ten pounds from where I don't know Stone.

1234
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm over here trying to keep my weight. I feel

1235
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: like I'm throwing all all my water out. This is

1236
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: no good. There's no good. I'm out there getting my pump, Gibbe,

1237
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: and now you're trying to make me sweat it all out.

1238
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 1: Give By the way, I just was curious if because

1239
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: I saw the video, Boy, what an incredible effort you had.

1240
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: By the way, in the in the drones video that

1241
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: was to see you in there. That's a critic first

1242
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: time for you. I would that, um, but I thought

1243
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: that was really great. But I didn't notice that the

1244
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: drone flew through Frayne's window where he always keeps an

1245
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: eye on Gibbe from the old Beat Beat Beat days.

1246
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: They had to remove that glass and then the other

1247
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: drone went right through the A bay windows that yeah,

1248
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: and went into the check that out. That was actually

1249
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: a very cool video, I do think though. The most

1250
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: remarkable thing about that video and you're wearing the awesome

1251
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: NFL jam shirt with white my guys for momage. It's

1252
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: a absolute beard beard Ontonia almost looks amish form shirt.

1253
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: But you know what's Joel tipping the scales at right now?

1254
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: Would you say, huh, Well, you said three twenty and

1255
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: chiseled a minute ago. I thought you were talking about

1256
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: Gibbey for a second. But the next guy was gonna

1257
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: guess was Joel Patonio because he is looking chiseled and

1258
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: ready to rock and roll in year nine. I talked

1259
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: to him a little bit on Saturday. Um, he's feeling refreshed,

1260
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: spending a lot of the off season out in San Diego.

1261
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: Beautiful sunny San Diego. But he said, honestly, this is

1262
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: the most excited that he has ever been coming back

1263
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: for training camp. Obviously, as you get older, going through

1264
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: year nine, ten eleven, for me, you become a little

1265
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: bit more reflect Dov of how many years you have

1266
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: left and how many opportunities you're gonna get to go

1267
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: and get that Lombardi Trophy. And certainly Joel is looking

1268
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: at this season as his best opportunity yet, and he

1269
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: is in the best shape of his life and chiseled

1270
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: most likely three twenty. And so that bang leads to

1271
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: my my point here is I thought the most remarkable

1272
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: part of that Drone video is that clearly Joel, when

1273
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: he's done with this, has a future as an Olympic diver.

1274
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: Because if you can, as a three pound man do

1275
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: a cannonball into a most and have no splash, displace

1276
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: absolutely no water, that's a real skill. That well the

1277
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: Triple Lindy back to School, fine film, but that is

1278
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: an incredible skill for him to make no splash on

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Speaker 1: a cannon ball off. That was probably the most surprising

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Speaker 1: thing of the drone video. M I. I thought everything

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Speaker 1: else was really cool, but that one really just took

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Speaker 1: my breath away because I'm wondering, where's the splash? Where

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Speaker 1: is it? What kind of genius computer wizardry did they

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Speaker 1: do to the graphics to be able to take Joel

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Speaker 1: Betonio is three D and chiseled splash out of that

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Speaker 1: video completely gone. It was like, who are some of

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Speaker 1: those famous uh the divers? Greg Luke gainis going to

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Speaker 1: the pool right right boom, no splash, not even a drop,

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Speaker 1: just just bubbles, a little bit of bubbles in a

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Speaker 1: little sound plus, no big deal. I don't make sure

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Speaker 1: you clear gotta clear that. Want to make sure you

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Speaker 1: clear on that. We do have some roster moves. We

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Speaker 1: will get to that. We'll keep you update and continue

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Speaker 1: of roster moves on the field, as the team continues

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Speaker 1: its preparations for the two thousand twenty two season here

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01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: at training camp out at the Cross Country Mortgage Campus,

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Speaker 1: we have Jack Conklin activated off the pub We mentioned

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Speaker 1: this briefly earlier as we were discussioned the Deshaun Watson conversation. Joe,

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01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: but I think it deserves a lot more than that.

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01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: And I like what you said when when we're talking

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01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: about it earlier in the sense of I am I

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01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: am shocked that he's able to go now. To me,

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01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: this felt like if we could have in week one,

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01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: I would be thrilled. And I think it's a remarkable

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01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: thing that Joe, I'm stunn, I'm shocked at even week

1322
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: one is a possibility because you're talking about it was

1323
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: horrific guys that I've played with or were around um

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01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: that had had these type of injuries, like some of

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01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: them never played again. Now, sometimes there were other situations

1326
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: around it. But the patellar tendon is fired by your

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01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: quad muscle, and as an offensive lineman, having a strong

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01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: quad to be able to move backwards is kind of

1329
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: like your your bread and butter. It's like j Low

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01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: and her butt, like that is what that stirs the

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01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: drink there. You can't just have strength to be able

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01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: to go back out there and play well and be

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01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: able to function at somewhat of a decent high level

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01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: like that thing has to be a hundred percent, And

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01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: so that's part of the reason coming back from an

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01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: a c L is so difficult when it's your inside

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01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: leg for an offensive lineman, because your inside leg is

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01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: what you're traditionally pushing back when you're doing past protection

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01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: off of. And when you tear an a c L,

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01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: your quad atrophies a lot, and that's what you have

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01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: to build back up during the rehab process. And so

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01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: a pateller tendant, that rehab is even worse and more

1343
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: difficult than in the cell because of the damage to

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01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: the pateller tendon and the soreness that comes with trying

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01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: to rehab and grow that vm O and that quad back.

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01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: And so for him and under a year to be

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01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: legitimately out here practicing running around is no less than

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01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: remarkable on an enormous testament to the work that he's

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01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: put in, to the doctors that performed the surgery and

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Speaker 1: the trainers that helped with the rehab. So I actually

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01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: got a chance that kind of I feel like No

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01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: Jack a little bit this offseason, because you know, prior

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01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: to that and when he was here was COVID and

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01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: we weren't around as much. And in this offseason. There

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01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: was a while when they were removing the weight room

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01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: all around where they were working out the guys were

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Speaker 1: rehabing were actually and it was actually Jack and Nick

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01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:49,919
Speaker 1: Harris were in there every day, and I saw Charlie

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01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: Hwett was in there quite a bit. But they were

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01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: working out in our the gym for the employees here

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01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: with the Browns, and so I got to see Jack

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01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: in there every single day and got to talk to

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Speaker 1: him a little bit. And I remember coming out and

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01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: being just it felt like he was getting that strength

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01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: and you could see him and all the things that

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Speaker 1: he was being put through by our incredible strength staff.

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Speaker 1: And then we came out here Wednesday was the first

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Speaker 1: day of camp. Thursday, during the media availability around level

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Speaker 1: M thirty, I looked over and right here they put

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Speaker 1: in and this is a new hope. You see the

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Speaker 1: grass field and now we have this turf area right

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Speaker 1: over here, and I looked over and somebody was doing

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01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: like their pass sets and moving great, and I could

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Speaker 1: not believe in I'm like, wait, say that's Jack. I

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01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: couldn't believe he was moving so well. I didn't even

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Speaker 1: think that was in within the realm of possibility. And

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01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: then not even a week after seeing that he's activated

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Speaker 1: off the publist. Now that I'm able to speak in

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01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: that coughing, he is over there. So my guests would

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01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: be that he will just participate in individual and position

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01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: group stuff, won't get into any team stuff right when

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01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: you think they'll that will be want to be a

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01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: little cautious when you're putting a guy back in there

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01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 1: into team drills. It's usually after at least a week

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01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: or so of doing the individual drills, doing maybe some

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01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: of the breakdown drills where there's not as many people,

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01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: because the last thing you want is somebody to get

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01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: rolled up before they're ready. But when they're still thinking

1389
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: about their knee, they're not as aware of what's happening

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01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: around them, so you kind of want to ease them

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01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,439
Speaker 1: into some of those team drills. And um, I'm sure

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01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: that they have a plan to get him full reps

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01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: before week one where they're kind of ramping up, and

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01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: that's their target day to get him completely ready and

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01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: completely acclimatized to being an NFL player in an NFL game.

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Speaker 1: Those were looking over there deep in the post offensive

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01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: line is going through some of their zone breakouts where

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Speaker 1: it's the garden, the tackle moving together. What what are

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Speaker 1: you accomplishing in these position group periods, Because there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of time developed dedicated to that before you get

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01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: into a seven on a seven or a team period.

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01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: There's always especially at the Browns practices, and it's been

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01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,919
Speaker 1: that way ever since I've been here, but I feel

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01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: like even maybe more so with this group, that there's

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01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: so much position work that goes on. What are you

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01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: trying to accomplish in those well, especially for offensive lineman,

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01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: having that position time is so important because you can

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01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: work a lot more reps than you can get in

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01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: a team period, right, Because you can line everybody up

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01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: on the offensive line and get the proper first step

1411
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: in the zone concept, you can get the exact angle

1412
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: of departure that you want in your outside zone, in

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01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: your inside zone, you can work your combinations. When you

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01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: have two offensive line coaches and maybe sometimes even an

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01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: assistant in an intern so you've got three guys, you

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01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: can break those fifteen twelve to fifteen players up a

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01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: little bit more and get so many more good reps

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01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: where you're breaking down and you're coaching that rep instantly

1419
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,919
Speaker 1: and they're able to make immediate gains in that moment,

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01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: Whereas in a team drill, when you're going back to

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01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: the huddle, the coach will make a little note if

1422
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: he sees one guy screw up, But a lot of

1423
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: times you don't even really get the coach on that

1424
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: and make a correction until later on after practice is

1425
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: over and you're watching film, and sometimes by that time

1426
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: it's almost too late, right because the guy has made

1427
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: that mistake maybe three times throughout the practice. Whereas when

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01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: you're in those breakdown sessions, you're running individual, you're getting

1429
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: some double team blocks, you're able to correct things right away.

1430
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: You're able to get more reps, but also make those

1431
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: corrections instantaneous and prepare those guys for the looks that

1432
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: they're going to get in those team periods. So you

1433
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: get good work in the team periods and guys aren't

1434
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: screwing things up where you can't even get the play started.

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01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just watching four over there. It's such

1436
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,480
Speaker 1: a pretty ball. It is so pretty and easy balls,

1437
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,560
Speaker 1: just a flick and it's just on stride, dropping in

1438
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: a bucket over and it's like it's out of a guns.

1439
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: You're gonna be really happy. Yeah, it's gonna be that

1440
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: part of it is certainly you're gonna be quite pleased. Yeah,

1441
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: it's it's good to see you know. We tell also

1442
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: in addition to to jack Um and we do have

1443
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 1: one other thing to mention here from a transactional standpoint,

1444
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: Wide receiver Derek Dillon comes in. He was on the

1445
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: l s U National Championship game of a very minor

1446
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: contributor to that team. Has not played um in the

1447
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: National Football League. He has come in at wide receiver.

1448
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 1: Isaiah Weston is out even of course hurt with the

1449
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: a c L. So he has done. So that's the

1450
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 1: way that that goes there. We're while looking at Anthony

1451
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: Schwartz here David Bell, they have not they're not practicing. Uh,

1452
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: there's injury concerns there. That is I think something of

1453
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: of significance is the wide receiver position here over the

1454
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks because it's thin. So here's the

1455
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: deal with the we talked about it is then and

1456
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: so you've got him, Ari Cooper and Dommon, people's jones,

1457
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: that's your one. To David Bell, who's right in front

1458
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: of us right now, we're in number eighteen, that's the

1459
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,799
Speaker 1: guy you probably think is gonna be your starting slot receiver.

1460
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: We have not yet seen him in training camp. Anthony

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01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: Schwartz is somebody that I a lot of people around

1462
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: here feel like is the key to unlocking this offense.

1463
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 1: He has the vertical speed that can make a defense

1464
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 1: say we need to roll a safety in that direction.

1465
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 1: His vertical routes can create space for the crossing routes

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01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: that come underneath them, and so he's a very important

1467
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: piece of what the Browns want to do. And yet

1468
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: he was injured basically on day two of training camp.

1469
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: They feel like they avoided a serious injury. He will

1470
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: be ready for the season, but he's not there. Javon

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01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: Wims is another guy who's in that wide receiver room

1472
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: who's a four year veteran six four to seventeen who

1473
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: had thirty three career games with the Bears, seven starts.

1474
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: He hasn't practiced all training camp either, due to illnesses.

1475
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: So you're talking about four guys with Weston being out

1476
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: that you were expecting to be a part of that

1477
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: receiver room and get those reps in that rotation that

1478
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: are all out right now. Now Weston's done. He was

1479
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 1: waived injured Derek Dylan comes in. You have a lot

1480
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: of guys that have to run Route seven on seven's

1481
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: team drills. Now two guys that I think are taking

1482
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: advantage of these opportunities or three. I would say Felton

1483
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: has had a nice job in the slide. He's worked

1484
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: exclusively with the wide receivers so far in this training camp.

1485
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: You talk about Jachim Grant, who we think of as

1486
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: the return specialist, but he's got five and five yards

1487
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: receiving in a couple of touchdowns in the last two

1488
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 1: seasons alone. As a peer wide receiver, he's made some plays.

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01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: And then there's Mike Woods, the rookie out of Oklahoma

1490
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: that the Browns drafted, who's got good size. He's a

1491
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: sixth rounder. He's got a big body, and boy, I

1492
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: hope we post our Brown's breakdown of him with with

1493
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: myself and co shadowsha soon because he surprised me what

1494
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: we saw on tape and it's carried over. Yes, the

1495
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: number Z. What am I looking for on him? Your

1496
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: own stuff there? I like he's doing so much, that's

1497
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: a it's a big Z moment. I mean, there's so

1498
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: much that he's doing, so many different outlets you're on

1499
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: so many apparatus, is yeah, king of all media. We're

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01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: looking to maybe launch my own YouTube channel, right. Actually, no,

1501
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: I'd nipped that one in the butt. But nonetheless, I

1502
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: think I think it's really interesting if if you're coming

1503
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,839
Speaker 1: out to camp, you know, what are the the battles

1504
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: that are that's one become big. It's it's receiver. And

1505
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: I think one of the guys that really I'm gonna

1506
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: be watching when I'm out here is Dmitrich Felton you

1507
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: mentioned there. You know, he was a guy that had

1508
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: a lot of accolades and a lot of UM people

1509
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: talking about him when the Browns drafted him as a

1510
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: potentially running back playing slot receiver, having experienced um outside

1511
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: on the edge and the things that Kevin Stevanski could

1512
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: do with him creatively within this offense. Now, all of

1513
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're little thin at receiver and you're looking

1514
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: to play a lot more eleven personnel next year with

1515
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, and so where potentially can dimitric felt and

1516
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 1: play on this team and can he create a little

1517
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: role for himself where Kevin kind of uses him as

1518
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: a little toy and kind of creates some very difficult

1519
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: things for a defense to be able to handle a

1520
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: guy with that many unique traits makes it so good

1521
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: in space. Last year as a receiver, got into the

1522
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: end zone twice. Last year, I caught eighteen of his

1523
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: twenty one targets one yards and the two scores. But

1524
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: it's an interesting battle because just it's a numbers game, right,

1525
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: You're not gonna keep more than six receivers. So you've

1526
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: got you've got amor, you've got DPJ, you've got David

1527
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: BELDI draft a third run this year Schwartz and draft

1528
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: to the third round a year ago. Then beyond that,

1529
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 1: you've got your team Grant, who likely counts as a

1530
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: receiver in your final fifty three because he's gonna play.

1531
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: Somebody's your return guy. So that kind of leaves one

1532
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: spot for a Demitric Felton, for a Mike Woods, or

1533
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: four if the Browns elect because of Schwartz is injury

1534
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: and they're not getting what they need out of him,

1535
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: for a a t Y Hilton or Will Fuller or

1536
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: DeShawn Jackson that is of today are still out there

1537
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: and available to you. So that's a real battle to

1538
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: make this roster. And you know it's gonna come down.

1539
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 1: I would bet likely. As you know, Felton has been

1540
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: a good special teams performer, ken Woods play any special

1541
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: teams do they really think he can develop as we're

1542
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: kind of looking right now, the Browns going through a

1543
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: team period on the other side, and Deshaun Watson is

1544
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: still getting the first team reps. The first play was

1545
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: a hand off there to Nick Chubb, and he's completed

1546
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: a couple of passes as well, one to the chief.

1547
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: I saw tough to see from our vantage point, but

1548
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: that is gonna be a big that was there, chizzled

1549
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: out of work, chiseled out of Jellos sons. I think

1550
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: it is fair to say that the receiver position is

1551
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: the one that's on the clock. A little bit that

1552
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: that that's on the clock, like there's got a there's

1553
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: got I mean defensive tackle for sure, but but I

1554
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: don't even know, like that receiver room has got to

1555
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: go because you know it's going to be to the

1556
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: success of this team down the stretch, especially you know,

1557
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: second half of the season, when they're gonna be competing

1558
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,560
Speaker 1: for the division and a playoff run, They're gonna be

1559
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: throwing the football and that's gonna be who you are,

1560
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 1: and and the names that you mentioned potentially bringing in

1561
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: at receiver all deep threat, burner, take the top off

1562
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: type guys, because that's who Anthony Schwartz is, and that's

1563
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: sort of this rap the piece of this offense that

1564
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: maybe it's not obvious who that is going to be

1565
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: because that's not a Mari Cooper, that's not those other

1566
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: guys that you mentioned. And I'm curious to see you

1567
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,560
Speaker 1: know how much respect to have for your understanding of

1568
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: this offense and this roster from top to bottom when

1569
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: you're looking at your receiver room. At what point this

1570
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski say in shad o'sheago, Hey, these are the

1571
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,759
Speaker 1: guys we have, so we're gonna have to maybe taylor

1572
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 1: the offense a little bit. Yeah, we like to take

1573
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 1: the top off. We know Deshaun can do that really well.

1574
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 1: But when you look at a guy like Lamar Jackson

1575
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 1: and how much he utilizes the underneath stuff because he

1576
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 1: makes guys miss, he extends plays, and then he uses

1577
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: the mismatches that he has with his tight ends and

1578
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: his little guys in the slots to it easy completions

1579
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,600
Speaker 1: or easier completions from twenty yards down the line of

1580
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: down the field and in, and maybe that's the direction

1581
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: you start kind of not not everything, not wholesale change

1582
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 1: your offense, but maybe you start steering some of your

1583
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: offensive concepts just maybe some more of those uh, short

1584
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: areas stuff where you do get those little jitterbugs on

1585
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 1: the field and you don't try to be somebody that

1586
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: you're not. One of the things they love about Shaun

1587
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: Watson is his accuracy, and so you can just develop

1588
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: big plays and multiple facets. Right. You can develop by

1589
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: throwing it over the top of the defense, and he's

1590
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: a very accurate deep ball thrower. You can also do

1591
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: that by hitting guys in stride and giving them opportunities

1592
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: for yards after the catch. Donovan People's Jones, for example,

1593
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: averages eighteen heart yard and a half yards to catch

1594
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 1: for his career in two seasons here. But he's not

1595
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 1: to take the top off defense. But he's a great

1596
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: contestant catch guy and you can still get vertical with

1597
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: him in that respect. I do think that one of

1598
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 1: the things that they feel is very very important to

1599
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 1: this offense, though, is that ability to stretch the field,

1600
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: because it's not just for what it does stretching the

1601
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 1: field with that one player, and the plays can be

1602
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: made throwing it vertically to them. It's the space that

1603
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: it creates. This is an offense that where you have

1604
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: those boots, you like to work multiple levels, and so

1605
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: if your top level is able to get those safeties back,

1606
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 1: that intermediate dig is now a backside dig that you

1607
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 1: can hit, catch and then run and turn a twenty

1608
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: yard pass completion into a sixty seventy yard touchdown because

1609
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: of the space that's created. So I think they do

1610
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: think that it is very critical to have that space

1611
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:30,560
Speaker 1: in this a component of this offense, and I know

1612
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 1: it's something they are very much hoping that you talked

1613
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: about Schwartz that he could do that. Now, Weston who

1614
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 1: went down not polished at all, but he was six four.

1615
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 1: He ran in the low four threes and average twenty

1616
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: four yards a catch at Northern Iowa, so he was

1617
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: as vertical as vertical gets. But even if he was

1618
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 1: a one trick pony, it was a fairly good trick.

1619
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: He's out. The guy they brought in, Dylan, as we

1620
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: talked about, didn't play much at l s U. That's

1621
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: not necessarily indicative at anything, because the guys he was

1622
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: behind where what Jamaar Chase and the guy Charis Marshall

1623
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: and Justin Jefferson. Now he hasn't made but he ran

1624
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: a four to nine at his pro day, so he

1625
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: has some speed. So maybe that's just what they're looking for.

1626
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: But I think that the vertical component is very important

1627
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 1: to what they want to do to create space because

1628
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: what we found and I think we'd be more effective

1629
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: obviously with DeShawn Watson, but you even go back to

1630
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: when we were really effective and Bakers plays best football,

1631
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,799
Speaker 1: there was a lot of throws in in tight windows

1632
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: and we operate within a twenty yard framework. They don't

1633
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: want to do that. They want to open the whole

1634
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 1: field for to Sean imagine. We talked about explosive plays

1635
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: and how important that is to the success of your offense.

1636
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: You can get them primarily through throwing the football, but

1637
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb one of the best explosive play running backs

1638
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You imagine how good this offense is

1639
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: going to be and how it's gonna look when you're

1640
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 1: able to throw the football down the field, which we

1641
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: haven't been great at in the three or four previous years. Sure,

1642
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: if you're creating that space underneath, and you're taking the

1643
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: top off where those safeties are worried about the ball

1644
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: going over their heads instead of their run. Fits Now

1645
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: the ability when you do break through that front seven

1646
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 1: for Nick job see you later. He just ran up

1647
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 1: one over there a second ago. Job off of him.

1648
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 1: You gotta run, You have more jobs. You gotta go,

1649
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: you gotta go. Dan Graziano. Up next, Cleland Browns Daily

1650
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: esp and Cleveland Cleveland Brown's Daily on ESPN Cleveland. All right,

1651
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: both Bishop and the great Joe Thomas here at Cleveland

1652
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:39,560
Speaker 1: Brown's Daily. Let's head on the hot line for a

1653
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: visit our great friend esp an NFL insider Dan Graziano. Well,

1654
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: we got the news that it would be today, and

1655
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 1: it was. It was this morning at eight thirty. Dan,

1656
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 1: what is your kind of initial now you've had a

1657
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 1: couple of hours, kind of digest what Sue L. Robinson

1658
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: decided here? Uh, kind of your initial thoughts on it all?

1659
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: I see, I'm fascinated by the process, right like that

1660
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 1: it's a new pross, this that you know, the NFL's

1661
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 1: in a situation where it has to like almost publicly

1662
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: prove its case in order to to uh, you know,

1663
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:13,560
Speaker 1: to impose discipline and then um and then you know

1664
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: that the players have to say in it. I think

1665
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: that's interesting. And I'm reading through her report right now.

1666
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 1: I've been out of Packers practice today. I'm reading through

1667
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,560
Speaker 1: her report right now. It seems pretty clear that she

1668
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: has determined that he violated the personal Conduct policy, that

1669
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: the league did a good job proving that he did that.

1670
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:34,759
Speaker 1: So what's the issue is um the length of the suspension,

1671
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:36,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's what that's what'll hang over this

1672
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: for the next couple of days, obviously, until we find

1673
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,879
Speaker 1: out whether the league feeling whether they whether the commissioner

1674
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: decides to uh lengthen the suspension based on based on

1675
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, whatever disagreement he or his appears officer has

1676
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 1: with their findings. And I think that's the that's the

1677
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: final uh sort of a bit of this that we

1678
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: have to figure out and find out how it's going

1679
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 1: to go. So but just reading through, I'm interested in

1680
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: the process because I think it's uh. I think it's

1681
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 1: I think it's changed more significantly than people are willing

1682
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: to admit, based on some of the reactions I've seen

1683
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: around the you know, the Internet and whatnot. Well, it

1684
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 1: begs to ask the question that all Browns fans are

1685
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 1: wondering right now, what are you hearing dan from the

1686
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 1: NFL on what is the likelihood that they do appeal

1687
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: this suspension. I think they're in a tough spot because

1688
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: it does seem like, you know, there's a there's a

1689
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 1: pretty good chance that the public reaction to this will

1690
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: be that it's insufficient, and the NFL is you know,

1691
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: it can be swayed by that it's a public facing

1692
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,560
Speaker 1: organization and it does back to your public opinion, and

1693
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: the opinion of expands into into decisions like this to

1694
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: upside though, you know, they engage in a collective bargaining

1695
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 1: process with the players, and they settle on a process

1696
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 1: where there's an independent arbitrator to determine appropriate discipline. And yes,

1697
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: the commissioner has mentioned the power to have the final say,

1698
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: but to come out and sort of blow up the

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Speaker 1: whole independent arbitrator concept on the first on the first

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Speaker 1: case that has gone before her, UH would seem to

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01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,719
Speaker 1: be tricky if you're talking about your relationship with your players,

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01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: UH and how they feel about the discipline process that

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01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,560
Speaker 1: they negotiated. So I think I think they're in a

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01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: tough spot. Um My guess, and it's just a guess,

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01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: would be that they would file the appeal and that uh,

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01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 1: and that it might be a longer suspension than six games.

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01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: But um, I can also absolutely say ce Roger Goodell

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01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 1: throwing up his hand and saying, you know, we tried,

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01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:35,879
Speaker 1: but this is uh. These are the findings the arbitrator

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01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 1: and we and we're going to respect and stand by them. Dan,

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01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: Just from just a bit more on that, if that

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Speaker 1: were the case and an appeal were to be filed

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01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 1: by the NFL, would that not trigger I mean, just

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01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: connecting dots the NFL p a filing suit um against

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01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 1: the NFL in that process, And then isn't there isn't

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01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 1: there potentially for an injunction and maybe Watson plays week

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01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 1: one in in addition to that. Wouldn't that also open up,

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01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean inevitably down the line like owners on the

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01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,839
Speaker 1: stand because they're supposed to be held with the same standard.

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01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 1: Doesn't that all speak to kind of what you're talking

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01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: about potentially of how messy this this could be kind

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01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: of never ending if there's an appeal here, couldn't it?

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01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: It could the NFL has ultimately succeeded when the when

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01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,480
Speaker 1: the PA is taken into court in cases like Ezekiel

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01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 1: Elliott and cases like Tom Brady. Um, so they may

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01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 1: like their chances. Uh. If the if the NFLPA decides

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01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: to do that again, that's if we do not know

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01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 1: that Watson or the lp A and pursue legal action.

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01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 1: And I don't really like to to forcast things like

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01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 1: that to happen. Um. So yeah, we'll say you're right.

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01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: I mean yes. Obviously the union's argument, Watson's argument homes

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01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 1: on the idea that owners are not funnished to say,

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01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: my players are. U in the report that this went

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01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: off to l for the acknowledges the validity of that argument,

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01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: where she does indicate that the BiDi factory into her

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01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: open the decision on appropriate discipline. So I think if

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01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 1: if Roger Goodell or is the fields officer, were to

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01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: come in and and oversturing this decision, that you would

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01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 1: hear a significant outcry from the player's side. Uh. And

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01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: it would be centered on that idea that that owners

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01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: are punished and helped with different standards than players are.

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01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 1: If they did try to appeal the suspension, how would

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01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: that affect the c b A and where would the

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01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: players Association stand on this independent arbitrator that the last

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01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: collective bargaining agreement drew out as the agreement between the

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01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: league and its players on how to handle discipline in

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01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: my understanding, and that's also questions last night, like why

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01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: why does it why did it settle where it did,

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01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 1: Like you have an independent arbitrator, but the commissioners still

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01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 1: has the final authorities to overrule that arbitrator, and how

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01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 1: that happened and what it was. What was told to

1752
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 1: me was that the league insisted on that second part

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01:23:55,160 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: in exchange for granting the first part right, So I

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01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 1: think you know, they wanted Roger Goodell to continue to

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01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: have the power he's had to administer the discipline policy,

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01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 1: but as a condition of the collective bargaining agreement, they

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01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 1: were willing to give the players some level of saying

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01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 1: it right. And they were in a situation right now

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01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,759
Speaker 1: where the league investigators had to literally go before retired

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01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 1: federal judge and prove their case and that that wasn't

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01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: the case in the past, right, And he just had

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01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 1: to prove it to Roger Goodell, who may have been

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01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 1: on your side to begin with. So um, I think

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01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 1: it's an incremental advance for the players. I'm sure next

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01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: time around, I'd love to get that Goodell as a

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01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: fields officer part of it eliminated, and maybe they would succeed.

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01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: May didn't get affent commissioner at that point, you know,

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01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: it was just turning years away. But I think that

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01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: the key thing for them is that they got the

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01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 1: indicent arbitrator and now it allows them to yell and

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01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 1: scream and holler if she decides to overturn her decision

1772
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:57,639
Speaker 1: and say, hey, this isn't fair. The league's just doing

1773
01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: what it always wanted to do and doesn't care about players.

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01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: Oh Dan, the other point of this, and you brought

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01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: this up in one of your earlier answers, but I

1776
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: think in a way it's got lost in this because

1777
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 1: I think there's you know, it does feel like that

1778
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people feel like it's not long enough.

1779
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 1: The NFL did win, right, I mean, she did find

1780
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 1: that he broke the personal conduct policy, so like she did,

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01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: she did favor in their in their manner, I mean

1782
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: in their favor, correct. And that's all details. As people

1783
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 1: read the report, which is certainly outs to be read. Uh,

1784
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: it is clear that she found he did violate the

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01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,560
Speaker 1: personal comic polity and that decision is binding. According to

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01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 1: the c b A, he gets to the side whether

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01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: he violated the policy or not, and that is binding,

1788
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 1: which means that if she had decided that he didn't,

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01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: then there would be no appeal right by the league

1790
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 1: like it would be. It would just be over. So

1791
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 1: the only thing she doesn't have final say over is

1792
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: the is the amount of the extent of discipline. So yes,

1793
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 1: she she did rule the leaked favor on the question

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01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 1: of did he violate the personal conduct policy? Uh. And

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01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 1: then in addition to that, she has tasked with sign

1796
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: some discipline if that is the case, and then the

1797
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 1: league can decide whether it was appropriate or not. The

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01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 1: league floated a trial loon a few weeks ago, saying

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01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: that they wished the suspension would be a year or more.

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01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 1: And do you think that that was something that the

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01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 1: league put out there after starting to see the case

1802
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: and how it was being handled by Sue L. Robinson

1803
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 1: and realizing that it probably was going to be a

1804
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 1: suspension that was far less than a year, And maybe

1805
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: that was their way of covering their tracks a little

1806
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: bit from a public relations standpoint, so that they could say, look,

1807
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 1: we wanted a really stiff suspension, but unfortunately this was

1808
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: the decision that she made, and she's an independent arbitrator,

1809
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 1: and so you know, we wish we could be much

1810
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:45,600
Speaker 1: harder in this situation, but unfortunately this is what was

1811
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: dealt to us. So we just all need to move on. Well,

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01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: the first thing I want to say and answer your

1813
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 1: question is, Um, I always have a hard time with

1814
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: the characterization of reporting as a league right, Like we

1815
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: know now that we've read the report that the league

1816
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 1: sought an indefinite suspension with the right to apply after

1817
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 1: one year. That's now a matter of record. It's in

1818
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 1: the report there was issued today. Um, how wherever that

1819
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 1: was reported in the media, was it leaked to them

1820
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: by someone in the league office? Wasn't a reporter that

1821
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: that just did the right kind of dig in and

1822
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: found that out. That's not a roleman which I like

1823
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:25,680
Speaker 1: to operate, right, So I would say this to the

1824
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 1: second part of the question, UM, I think when the

1825
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: hearing was over, there was a sense on both sides

1826
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 1: that it might have it might have gone the players

1827
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:38,520
Speaker 1: way a little bit, UM, And I think that's reflected

1828
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 1: in where you saw the settlement talks. You know, my

1829
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 1: understanding on the settlement talks was that Watson was willing

1830
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 1: to agree to something on the sixth day game range,

1831
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: and the league the closest they ever got to that

1832
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: was twelve plus an eight million dollars fine, and wants

1833
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 1: me to sort of decide, and I'll take my chances

1834
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 1: with the arbitrated. Now, if he had settled, uh you know,

1835
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: let's say it came to nine games or whatever and

1836
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 1: they had settled there, than this would be over right.

1837
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: There would be no appeals because there would have been

1838
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 1: no finding by the arbitrated. Uh So, I think there

1839
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 1: was a sense after that hearing that the league might

1840
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 1: not get everything wanted and that the player might come

1841
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: out of this in a more favorable situation than maybe

1842
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: it was thought before that hearing. And and that's just

1843
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: based on how they all felt that the judge responded

1844
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,600
Speaker 1: to their arguments and the way she asked questions. And

1845
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 1: I have attorneys in my family that tell me all

1846
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: the time, you know, and situations like just be careful,

1847
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 1: like don't don't don't let that, you know, you know,

1848
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: if we've walked out of courtings thinking we were in

1849
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 1: good shape and turned out we weren't. But in this case,

1850
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 1: it looks like some of the unions and the player's

1851
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: argument about what appropriate discipline would be were they they

1852
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: founded a good audience. Dan, you're the best. Thank you

1853
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: so much for your time on a very very busy day,

1854
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: my friend. All right, guys, it's my pleasure. Thank you.

1855
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: All right, that's the great Dan Graziciano of ESPN joining

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01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,439
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Speaker 1: today in terms of the Watson suspension, but there are

1863
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 1: some things that jump out. Kate York is good six

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01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 1: or six on field goals, hit one for fifty one.

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01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:27,560
Speaker 1: This is a fun team, guys, and I think that

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01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Joe want now that this part is behind us and

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01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 1: hopefully the NFL appeal process. I mean we've gone over

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Speaker 1: at time and time again. O the last two hours.

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Speaker 1: happy with it. But we move forward and can get

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Speaker 1: excited about this football team and we can finally play

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Speaker 1: the schedule game. We can start looking at all. Right,

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01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 1: here's who the quarterback is gonna be. We think we

1874
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 1: got this one. We can maybe don't have that one.

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Speaker 1: That's just what we want as fans, right, we just

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Speaker 1: want that pure joy back and we're getting closer. We

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