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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Chuck Schumer said Senate Democrats will

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Speaker 1: not provide the votes to fund another year of ice madness.

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today. The

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Project Zone Rick Wilson joins us to talk about

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Speaker 1: ICE's second murder of an American citizen.

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Speaker 2: Then we'll talk to the Brennan Center.

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Speaker 1: Zone Michael Waldman about how we can stop this corruption

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: But first the.

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Speaker 3: News, Smiley, the Democrats are threatening a government shutdown over

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Speaker 3: ice funding. We were talking about earlier this week, how

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Speaker 3: bad the it's going to age the Democrats who voted

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Speaker 1: Okay, So last week Congress passed this cr which included

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Speaker 1: another year funding for Ice. There were seven Democrats who

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Speaker 1: voted to fund ICE last week, including people like Gared

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Speaker 1: Golden who aren't running for reelection. The worst offender I

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Speaker 1: used to belong to everyone's favorite scary criminal, George Santos.

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Speaker 3: My personal favorite is Henry Quailar Trump curiously pardoned.

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Speaker 1: So seven Democrats voted with the Republicans to fund ICE. Well,

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Speaker 1: that appropriation process continues. The ICE money dr is in

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Speaker 1: the Senate this weekend after border patrol murdered a thirty

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Speaker 1: was not being drawn. The Senate has finally gotten the balls,

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Speaker 1: so they are not going to rubber stamps Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: private Militia Cortes Mastow Jackie Rosen say they'll oppose DHS funding.

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Speaker 1: Important to realize Nevada is a state with a high

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Speaker 1: phone calls from a lot of people who do not

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Speaker 1: if you just look Hispanic, you can get swept up.

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Speaker 1: And we've seen reporting from Florida that Cuban voters who

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Speaker 2: At a rapid clip, just like everyone else.

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Speaker 1: Because this administration it's just if you don't look white,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter where you voted, how you voted. A

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Speaker 1: who should be the minority leader at this moment. Chris

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Speaker 1: Murphy and Alex Padilla spent the last two days making

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Speaker 1: calls to colleagues whipping against the dah test funding bill,

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Speaker 1: And so keep that in mind when Tuck Schumer says,

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Speaker 1: you know, whatever wants to keep the job, we're really

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Speaker 1: seeing whipping going from people who are not in leadership,

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Speaker 1: and that I think is important. I says, money to

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Speaker 1: continue its operations. You know, they have still a year

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Speaker 1: a shutdown. But I think that's a good thing. By

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Speaker 1: the way, Trump advisor says, there's no way any Democrat

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Speaker 1: can vote for the Homeland Security funding as it is,

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Speaker 1: if you're a fucking Republican and you're voting for this,

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Speaker 1: and all of them will because they're cowards history. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is like our country has done this before.

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Speaker 1: We did slavery. Where the country of slavery, where the

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Speaker 1: you will have to look at your grandchildren and your

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Speaker 1: children and you will have to say, yes, I was

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Speaker 2: I was a willing participant.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And the families of people like Renee Good and

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Speaker 3: So continuing with that thought, Greg Bovino, a man who

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Speaker 3: He has bragged their experts in detaining small children, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah for Veno.

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Speaker 1: He is just appalling. And this is the thing this

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Speaker 1: There is absolutely no words to describe how appalling this is.

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Speaker 3: Another aspect of the Trump administration is they really love

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, they went in. They kidnapped the president

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Speaker 2: The Maduro regime is very much still in power, as

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Speaker 1: They're locking up people who are protesting or who have

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're coming back for Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: I think they have so many problems that they've just

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Speaker 1: moved on, and so I think it's very likely that

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Speaker 2: I don't think we'll see any more of this.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't be shocked Trump is pushing AI data centers. But

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Speaker 1: I think it's important just for a minute to put

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Speaker 1: This one would be the size of eighteen Walmart. So

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Speaker 4: Is this Kristen Cinema dressed up as the mayor?

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Speaker 2: It sounds like it, right.

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Speaker 1: A data center is probably the most unintrusive thing, and

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Speaker 1: you'll enjoy paying more for your electricity. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: Several residents whose backyards may soon adjoin a digital facility

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Speaker 2: Not for long.

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Speaker 1: You got a diesel mechanist and retired military veteran is

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Speaker 1: trying to get them not to build a giant data

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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Luckily, Alabama has Katie Brett, who is a real class

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Speaker 1: act and often pretends to cry on television. I remain

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Speaker 1: motivated to ensure that ratepayers are not fooding the bill

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Speaker 1: for data centers.

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Speaker 2: Sure, sure, Jan.

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Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah. I love the trade off.

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Speaker 3: Everybody gets slop artwork in exchange for a dry to

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Speaker 1: Listen, man, everybody loves it.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of things, everybody just loves the Malania movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I heard there's a screening at the White House last

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Speaker 1: To talk about optics because we talk so much about

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Speaker 2: Them, really bad call.

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Speaker 1: So Saturday night we have the murder of thirty seven

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump tore down the East Wing because he doesn't

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Speaker 1: Card, Tony Robbins, I mean the heartiest fuck that guy

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Speaker 1: for Tony Robbins. Brett Ratner, who is an occupant of

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Speaker 2: Me too, because he's a creepy, creepy guy.

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Speaker 1: And photographer Ellen or With who took the photos. You

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Speaker 1: Amazon paid forty million dollars to bribe the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: there is no good news. Protest them all. Rick Wilson

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Speaker 1: of the Enemy's List. Rick Wilson Molly John Fast, I

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Speaker 1: am without words about what has happened. So we have

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Speaker 1: a second murder in.

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Speaker 1: This one thirty seven year old VA nurse. He was

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Speaker 5: And just Molly, look, the anger, the anger of people

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Speaker 5: are feeling is legitimate. Yeah, and I'm going to say this,

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Speaker 5: I think there was no excuse for shooting Reney Good whatsoever.

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Speaker 5: However, this murder is even more egregious in some ways

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Speaker 5: because there were eight DHS agents mobbing, chemically sprang the

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Speaker 5: a firearm with a permit actually in Florida. I don't

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Speaker 5: need the permit anymore, but you know I legally carried

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Speaker 5: It's not a scale problem. Voter fraud is not a

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Speaker 5: It was fraudulent. Everybody in there is, every Democrat has

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Speaker 4: The professional races. Again.

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Speaker 5: I'm not a guy who like eats out ahead of

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Speaker 1: And you know you see it, right. I think a

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Speaker 5: Look, somebody in that donor meeting either has decided that

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Speaker 1: And I think what's important about it is that in

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Speaker 5: Honestly, who among us hasn't said.

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Speaker 4: Fuck you Ted?

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Speaker 2: Amazingly some of us to his face.

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Speaker 5: I'll never forget. In twenty sixteen, I remember being in

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Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, we'll stand the fuck up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah we do.

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Speaker 5: What are you gonna do? And I have a photograph

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to read the secret recording just for

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Speaker 1: Cruise, You're going to lose the House, You're going to

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Speaker 5: Look, Cruise, god knows, I'm gonna probably get struck by

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Speaker 5: this is one of those things where where you you

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Speaker 5: These guys privately say to themselves, oh my god, he's

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Speaker 5: We're gonna lose everything. They say it to themselves all

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Speaker 1: Now, let's talk about this because Republicans are seeing the

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Speaker 5: So profiles and chicken shit, as I like to say.

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Speaker 1: Right, but this is an interesting piece and I want

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Speaker 5: This little crease, this little crevice in the wall of

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Speaker 2: But one of the things, it's a it's a crack

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Speaker 5: And I will tell you this. My chats and emails

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Speaker 1: something different, Christy Noam says something, the video says something different.

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Speaker 1: Jd Vance says something, the video says something different, and

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Speaker 1: even worse, I mean, Jadvans has spent so much time

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Speaker 1: just defending everything indefensible that you literally have Jady Van's

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Speaker 1: defending Kyle written, you know, and then trashing Alex Petrie.

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Speaker 2: So explain this.

447
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Speaker 5: Everything out of JD Vance's mouth. You should process it with.

448
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 5: This is his twenty twenty eight campaign. He's going to

449
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Speaker 5: be the biggest asshole possible to the victims of ice.

450
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Speaker 5: He has to win in a race. They're going to

451
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Speaker 5: be fifteen Republicans in that race. He's going to go

452
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Speaker 5: into it on paper as the presumptive. But in reality,

453
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Speaker 5: you know what MAGA wants. They want more blood, more ugly,

454
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Speaker 5: more anger, more hatred, more screaming, more chaos. Vance is

455
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Speaker 5: all he's doing is setting up twenty twenty eight. He

456
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Speaker 5: probably is laying awake at night going, oh my god,

457
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Speaker 5: I'm going to get struck down by lightning.

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Speaker 4: Good Catholic there, JD.

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Speaker 2: But it's important.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really important to realize, like that is

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Speaker 1: what's happening here. Jadie Vance is just defending the indefensible.

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Speaker 5: He has no principles, correct, Mary, That's exactly your point

463
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Speaker 5: is exactly right. JD. Vance has no principles whatsoever. You know,

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Speaker 5: he's a guy who's had four names. If he can

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Speaker 5: change his name four times, he can change his principles

466
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Speaker 5: even even more easily. And he's done so.

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Speaker 1: So the other thing that happened that I think is

468
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Speaker 1: a big deal is that well they were I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is why these guys are such fugging morons, is

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Speaker 1: they're shooting a nurse while their funding appropriation is in

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Speaker 1: the Senate. It had passed the House, yep, and last

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Speaker 1: my Democrats had voted for it.

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Speaker 5: Go on Saturday night, you finally saw Mount Schumer erupt.

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Speaker 5: You finally saw them say we're not going to vote

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Speaker 5: for this. And look, the rubber's got to meet the road.

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Speaker 5: He's got to whip his caucus against it. That's the test. Okay,

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Speaker 5: not a humor can do it.

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Speaker 4: He could do it if.

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Speaker 5: You wanted to, and I hope you want to now,

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Speaker 5: because if the Democrats vote for this CR that funds ICE, they.

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Speaker 2: Are now completely fucked.

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Speaker 5: They're complicit, and their base is going to go fuck you,

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Speaker 5: stay home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think their base is going to primary everyone.

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be like.

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Speaker 5: If you if you don't, if you don't vote to

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Speaker 5: kill this c R. There's blood on your hands if

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Speaker 5: you're a Democrat. And I and I mean, you know what,

489
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Speaker 5: And and while John Fetterman is now functionally a Republican, yeah,

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Speaker 5: the rest of those soft Democrats, y'all best get your

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Speaker 5: act in gear because this ship does not work.

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Speaker 1: And also they're all going to get primaried. I mean

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Speaker 1: like they're all going to get.

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Speaker 5: You're going to catch a primary. The ads are going

495
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Speaker 5: to be brutal. It's going to be Senators John Smith says,

496
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Speaker 5: says he believes in human rights and human dignity and

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Speaker 5: the rule of law, but he voted to give Greg

498
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Speaker 5: Bavino and Christy no more money to kill more Americans.

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Speaker 5: I could write that ad in my sleep. I could

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Speaker 5: write that ad in my sleep, and you'd watch it

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Speaker 5: and you'd cry like a baby because it's so tragic

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Speaker 5: and rightly so. But these people if Chuck Schumer and

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Speaker 5: I've been very hard on Chuck Schumer, which he deserves,

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Speaker 5: which he's deserved, But if he does this, this will

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Speaker 5: be a legacy moment for him where he will walk

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Speaker 5: out of the Senate with his head held high, that

507
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Speaker 5: fought the good fight at the end on something that

508
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Speaker 5: was a gigantic civil rights issue, because that's what this

509
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Speaker 5: bill really has become. It is a question of American

510
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Speaker 5: civil rights or the power of ice to kill us.

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Speaker 1: And if Democrats do the right thing, the morally correct thing,

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Speaker 1: and they vote against this cr which gives billions of

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Speaker 1: dollars to Trump's pride and militia, then Republicans will be

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Speaker 1: forced to shut down the government. And they should because

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Speaker 1: this government is hurting its people.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 5: And there's already a little like buzz around some sort

518
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Speaker 5: of compromise from Thune where he's telling people like, well,

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Speaker 5: we'll do an ice reform bill that'll kick in in

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Speaker 5: two years and da da da no uh uh, no deals,

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Speaker 5: no negotiation.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 5: These people are violating our first, second, fourth, fifth, sixth,

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Speaker 5: and tenth Amendment rights every single leek, steenth at fourteenth, Yes,

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Speaker 5: ma'am correct, every single day. And as I was joking yesterday,

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Speaker 5: at this point, I'm shocked they haven't did the third

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Speaker 5: and forced people to quarter ice troops in their homes. Yes,

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Speaker 5: this is madness to let this thing go even an

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Speaker 5: inch further. And look, I think the Democrats need to

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Speaker 5: also think about this as what the Republicans think about everything.

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Speaker 5: How do you engineer the spectacle. I want Preddy's family

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Speaker 5: in those hearings. Yeah, I want Rachel Good's wife in

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Speaker 5: those hearings.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Pretty's family does not hear about

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Speaker 1: his murder until the Associated Press calls the family.

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Speaker 5: Right horrifying and Pretty was by every account. And I

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Speaker 5: don't know, folks, you've probably seen the YouTube video now

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Speaker 5: of him saying last words over a veteran's coffin or

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Speaker 5: a hospital bed with a flag draped veterans passing.

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Speaker 4: This was a good guy.

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Speaker 2: Are you crying?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm upset, Molly, I'm fucking upset. I'm upset that

543
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Speaker 5: a good person who was trying to do a good

544
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Speaker 5: thing is now being vilified by scumbag worms like Steven Miller.

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Speaker 5: Steven Miller is not fit to lick the shit off

546
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Speaker 5: his shoes and immediately pops out domestic terrorists. I hope

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Speaker 5: the family sues the ever loving fuck out of Steve

548
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Speaker 5: Miller and Christy Nome and Greg Bavino and Donald Trump

549
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Speaker 5: for defamation. This is a black and white defamation case.

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Speaker 5: You call someone a domestic terrorist with no evidence, with zero,

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Speaker 5: zero evidence, and of course when they did it before

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Speaker 5: there were any facts established in the case. They were

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Speaker 5: domestic terrorists attack the police. Sorry, and they really should,

554
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Speaker 5: because there is a civil legal exposure for these people

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Speaker 5: that that's been underestimated so far. And I hope and

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Speaker 5: I pray that there are some junkyard dog lawyers out

557
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Speaker 5: there on this side of the issue that are willing

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Speaker 5: to go and burn this administration's leadership, that are saying

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Speaker 5: these things to the fucking ground.

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Speaker 4: I drunk fast.

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Speaker 1: Michael Waldman is the President and CEO of the Brendon

562
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Speaker 1: Center for Justice at NYU's School of Law.

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Speaker 2: Michael Waldman, Hi, Molly, Happy New Year. Too late. It's

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Speaker 2: too late. You can't do that.

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Speaker 1: As we both know, you are out of the statute

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Speaker 1: of limitations of New Year's according to Larry David. So

567
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Speaker 1: you are the head of the Brandon Center. You guys

568
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Speaker 1: have this really important new project which is nine Solutions

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Speaker 1: for Political Corruption. I don't know why you're so focused

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Speaker 1: on political corruption because everything is going great. First, I

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Speaker 1: want you to explain how do you get to a

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Speaker 1: place where the political corruption is so everywhere that you

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Speaker 1: have to sort of narrow it down.

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Speaker 6: One of the amazing things to me, right now is

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Speaker 6: lots of polls show that voters citizens name corruption is

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Speaker 6: one of their top issues have for months and months.

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Speaker 6: And given the fact that the traditional news media, which

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Speaker 6: used to be the thing that told us when there

579
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Speaker 6: was a scandal, you know, barely exists in some respects,

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Speaker 6: my reaction is, how do voters even know that they

581
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Speaker 6: basically are way ahead of the political system and seeing

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Speaker 6: that the rot that is pervasive right now in government

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Speaker 6: and politics in Washington. You know, look, corruption is not

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Speaker 6: exactly a new phenomenon in human history, fair enough to say.

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Speaker 6: And for a long time in our country there was

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Speaker 6: personal corruption in public office if we think about Tammany

587
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Speaker 6: hall boss tweet, people taking money, graft, that kind of thing,

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Speaker 6: and then later on in the late twentieth century that

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Speaker 6: was really supplanted in a lot of ways by the

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Speaker 6: institutional corruption of something like the campaign finance system when money,

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Speaker 6: big money became especially really important in how elections got run.

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Speaker 6: Now you see both of those things roaring back and combined,

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Speaker 6: and we see a fusion of public power and private

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Speaker 6: wealth in a way we just have not seen since

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Speaker 6: the Gilded Age of the late eighteen hundreds, if that,

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Speaker 6: you know, back then the robber barons had a big impact,

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Speaker 6: but they did not have a situation where the world's

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Speaker 6: wealthiest man, Elan Musk, paid for basically the winning presidential campaign,

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Speaker 6: then moved into the White House, literally slept on a cot,

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Speaker 6: and was given prime ministerial authority for a few months

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Speaker 6: to wreck as many agents ands as he could get

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Speaker 6: his hands on.

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Speaker 4: You didn't back then have this thing.

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Speaker 6: You and I have talked about the unitary executive theory,

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Speaker 6: which was is this notion that the president has the

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Speaker 6: power of a king, that the rule of law doesn't apply.

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Speaker 6: All of these things make the corruption really really significant.

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Speaker 6: And if you want to understand why government doesn't work,

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Speaker 6: if you want to understand why people feel the economic

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Speaker 6: system is rigged, there's an affordability crisis, all these other things,

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Speaker 6: they are rightly blaming this.

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Speaker 4: As one of the reasons.

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Speaker 6: So we thought it was important to start this Solution's

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Speaker 6: series by looking at corruption. And you know, so it's

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Speaker 6: a little presumptuous in a way to be thinking, well,

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Speaker 6: what are the solutions, how can we fix things in

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Speaker 6: the future When the wreckage is being cleaned up, aren't

618
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Speaker 6: the barbarians at the gates of the city is this

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Speaker 6: really the time to be doing, you know, urban planning.

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Speaker 6: We think emphatically yes, that we have to be thinking

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Speaker 6: right now, talking right now about what would be the

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Speaker 6: big changes that would actually make a difference to undo

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Speaker 6: some of the damage but also do things better.

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Speaker 1: Right, And that's a really good point, because there's like

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Speaker 1: digging out from the trumpest corruption, and then there's trying

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Speaker 1: to have reforms like post NIX and like post civil war,

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Speaker 1: the kind of things you must have in order to survive.

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Speaker 1: So first let's talk about the campaign finance because that

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Speaker 1: seems to be certainly the most obvious when you talk

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Speaker 1: about Elon Musk.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and we we do begin with the campaign finance

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Speaker 6: solutions because that is so big, so pervasive, and has

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Speaker 6: such an obviously such a huge impact on so much

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Speaker 6: of what government doesn't have.

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Speaker 4: Billions of dollars being.

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Speaker 6: Contributed in American elections in a way that no other

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Speaker 6: democracy does, and a lot of this is secret money.

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Speaker 4: In other words, it's called dark money.

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Speaker 6: It's undisclosed who gives the money, but billions of dollars

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Speaker 6: coming in and very often from very very wealthy individuals

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Speaker 6: or from people who have a big interest in how

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Speaker 6: government contracts work and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: So the steps that need to be.

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Speaker 6: Taken, we think range from looking at the constitution itself,

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Speaker 6: a constitutional amendment to undo Citizens United which is now

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Speaker 6: fifteen sixteen years old, just as of a few days ago,

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Speaker 6: and actually other really bad Supreme Court decisions that wrecked

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Speaker 6: the campaign finance laws and gave us.

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Speaker 4: This toxic politics that we have right now.

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Speaker 6: There's also a need for legislation to end dark money,

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Speaker 6: to require disclosure of all this spending and contributions. And

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Speaker 6: I think something that really makes a big difference that

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Speaker 6: I've been fighting for for years and years, which is

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Speaker 6: public financing of campaigns, the system that New York State

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Speaker 6: has now and New York City too, where small contributions

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Speaker 6: get a match. It boosts the power of small contributions

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Speaker 6: and it makes it possible to run without just being

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Speaker 6: beholden to the big money.

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Speaker 4: Those are some of the ideas. I'll mention one other

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Speaker 4: that is a newer one.

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Speaker 6: I think there is not really right now an effective

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Speaker 6: ban on campaign contributions from government to contractors in the government,

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Speaker 6: and think of how much money is at stake.

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Speaker 1: Give us an example of what that means, because I

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Speaker 1: think people might not understand exactly.

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Speaker 6: Government contractors make billions and billions and billions of dollars,

667
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Speaker 6: and it's not like they're just skimming it off the top.

668
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Speaker 6: They're providing services very often. But there's tremendous potential for

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Speaker 6: waste and overcharging and all the things we're familiar with.

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Speaker 6: And you don't want those billions of dollars of contracts

671
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Speaker 6: going just because somebody contributed to someone's campaign or as

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Speaker 6: a political backer. There are laws on the books, federal

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Speaker 6: laws that supposedly stopped up this kind of campaign contributions,

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Speaker 6: but it's very narrow and so the executives of a

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Speaker 6: company or the subsidiaries of a company aren't really covered.

676
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Speaker 6: So you need to make the law real and tight

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Speaker 6: and effective. And I think a lot of people on

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Speaker 6: all sides of those transactions would be very happy because

679
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Speaker 6: they don't really want to have to be doing this.

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Speaker 6: And if you look at how Trump is running the

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Speaker 6: federal government, it's so clear that giving campaign contributions or

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Speaker 6: to his library or to his ballroom is how you

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Speaker 6: get stuff done. Is inaugural fund is very transactional, and

684
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Speaker 6: it's just gets yeah. And for the pardons, all these

685
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Speaker 6: kinds of things. Again that the Supreme Court has made

686
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Speaker 6: the corruption easy. So we do start with the campaign

687
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 6: finance system. It's very, very broadly popular with the public,

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Speaker 6: with Democrats and Republicans. The challenge is that the politicians

689
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Speaker 6: in Washington and everywhere else, they tend usually to think

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Speaker 6: of themselves.

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Speaker 4: As incumbents more than anything else. They don't really want

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Speaker 4: to change this that much. But it's the big one,

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 1: And government contractors. That's things like Boeing Right.

695
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Speaker 6: Boeing Defense contractors, the Pentagon spends in contracts trillions.

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Speaker 4: Of dollars over a decade.

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Speaker 6: Things are really expensive, and you want them to work,

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Speaker 6: and you want them not to be based on favoritism

699
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Speaker 6: or graft. You want them to be based as much

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Speaker 6: as you can on it actually being the best value

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Speaker 6: for taxpayers.

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Speaker 1: So publicly funded campaigns really annoys me, but I understand

703
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Speaker 1: why they exist. But it makes me mad every time

704
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Speaker 1: we talk about it. So let's talk about it. Very annoying,

705
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Speaker 1: but let's talk about it.

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Speaker 6: You are now a loan you know, it's very often

707
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Speaker 6: the people who are most upset about the current system

708
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Speaker 6: who have the hardest time of this because it's like,

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Speaker 6: why are we giving money to these politicians.

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Speaker 2: So they can spend it on?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: But yes, go on explain why, Well, it's.

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Speaker 6: Better that the money come from taxpayers or some other

714
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Speaker 6: fund like that than from somebody who wants a contract

715
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Speaker 6: or something.

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Speaker 4: And the way to do it.

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Speaker 6: I think it doesn't get all private money out of politics,

718
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Speaker 6: but it makes it possible to run a campaign going

719
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Speaker 6: to voters, going to small dollar contributors. And you're seeing

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Speaker 6: that in New York State, and it's been very successful

721
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Speaker 6: in New York City over the years and really changing

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Speaker 6: who gives money to campaigns. You're totally not alone in

723
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Speaker 6: getting the hebgb's over the idea of spending the money

724
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Speaker 6: this way.

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Speaker 1: You sort of have to raise a certain amount of

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Speaker 1: money in order to get the matching fund.

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Speaker 2: We're not just giving money out to people, right.

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Speaker 6: You have to have supporters support you, and then their

729
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 6: contributions are enhanced basically, and as you know, in New

730
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Speaker 6: York City or New York State, it's a multiple match,

731
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Speaker 6: like if I give ten dollars, then it might be

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Speaker 6: worth eighty dollars to the campaign. And it does encourage

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Speaker 6: the candidates to actually talk to people. It means that

734
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Speaker 6: having a coffee clutch in someone's living room gets them

735
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Speaker 6: as much money as having a private meeting in a

736
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Speaker 6: real estate office. But it's new right now, but it's

737
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Speaker 6: actually not a brand new idea. We had a public

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Speaker 6: financing system in the United States after Watergate, as you

739
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Speaker 6: correctly said, when we have big scandals, when we have

740
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Speaker 6: moments like this, that's when you get change.

741
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Speaker 4: Afterwards. It's not always what happens, but that's when it happens.

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Speaker 6: After Nixon resigned, Congress passed a public financing system for

743
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Speaker 6: the presidential campaigns that actually worked really well, and it

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Speaker 6: actually meant that Ronald Reagan when he ran for reelection,

745
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Speaker 6: didn't do any fundraisers in the general election.

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Speaker 4: Think of that. It really was effective.

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Speaker 6: It just the money wasn't enough and it never got

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Speaker 6: updated by Congress and it sort of faded away. That's

749
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Speaker 6: why it's this dollar checkof on your taxes that no

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Speaker 6: one really knew why it's there.

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Speaker 4: But the idea was originally from Teddy Roosevelt.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about a monuments feels very apropos

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's the other side of this, right which is

755
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Speaker 6: that if you think about personal corruption, the personal milking

756
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Speaker 6: of the system that you might have thought about being

757
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Speaker 6: in an earlier era. Of course, as we know from

758
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Speaker 6: Donald Trump outward, it is very much happening in the

759
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Speaker 6: federal government. And then what this publication is all about.

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Speaker 6: The federal governments obviously not the only place that needs improvement.

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Speaker 6: The emoluments Clause is part of the Constitution. The founders

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Speaker 6: when they wrote the Constitution really cared about all this

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Speaker 6: corruption stuff, and it says that whoever's the president cannot

764
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Speaker 6: take gifts from foreign governments or from domestic people basically

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Speaker 6: without Congress's approval. They knew that there would be a

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Speaker 6: chance that you would have corrupt presidents and that foreign

767
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Speaker 6: entities would try to influence them with an airplane or

768
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Speaker 6: buying their crypto or coins. They might have thought of

769
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Speaker 6: that or the airplane, but they were very aware of

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Speaker 6: the potential for corruption, and the Constitution already bans it,

771
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Speaker 6: but there's no statute, there's no penalties attached to that.

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Speaker 4: So one of the things we say that should.

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Speaker 6: Happen is there needs to be a statute, a law

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Speaker 6: that actually enforces the constitutions and monuments clause.

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Speaker 4: There's other ways.

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Speaker 6: The president right now has a big set of loopholes

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Speaker 6: in the federal ethics laws that really make it easy

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Speaker 6: for a grifting president to grift. The ethics laws apply

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Speaker 6: to everybody in the government except the president and the

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Speaker 6: vice president in the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 4: That's a loophole that should be plugged.

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Speaker 6: We think, as we describe here, that there are to

783
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Speaker 6: be a new ethics agency that has the ability to

784
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Speaker 6: enforce these things all across the government. We shouldn't let

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Speaker 6: Congress off the hook either. You know, Capitol Hill has

786
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Speaker 6: always been a place where money talks in a variety

787
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Speaker 6: of ways, and right now one of the things people

788
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Speaker 6: are really upset about is the incredible amount of stock

789
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Speaker 6: trading that seems to happen.

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Speaker 1: This is like my favorite topic, Congressional stock trading. I

791
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Speaker 1: saw it on the list. I was delighted. So let's

792
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Speaker 1: talk about this stock trading bill.

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Speaker 6: So members of Congress have a suspiciously high rate of

794
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Speaker 6: success in the stock market. They are privy to all

795
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Speaker 6: kinds of insider information, non public information. The way that

796
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 6: insider trading laws are written, they don't really stop them

797
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Speaker 6: from doing this kind of stock trading.

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Speaker 4: And you see their returns just way.

799
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Speaker 6: Above you know, standard and pores or something like that way,

800
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Speaker 6: and again, it's just quite a coincidence. And so it's

801
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 6: something where I think the public is really outraged about this,

802
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 6: and Congress just should pass the law right away to

803
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Speaker 6: stop it. The Democrats have been increasingly energetic about this.

804
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Speaker 6: The Republicans, seeing that people care about it, they actually

805
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Speaker 6: put forward a bill a couple of weeks ago. It

806
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 6: was very weak, but that sort of started to get

807
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Speaker 6: the bidding going on it. I think there's a chance

808
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Speaker 6: that this could happen even before twenty twenty eight, because

809
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Speaker 6: it's so smelly and so there's a lot of things

810
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Speaker 6: of that nature. And I think there's some things that

811
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Speaker 6: go even deeper because one of the ways, as we

812
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Speaker 6: now know, that this kind of personal corruption is happening,

813
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Speaker 6: has to do with one of the powers the president

814
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Speaker 6: is given in the Constitution, the pardon power.

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Speaker 1: Talk about this, there's an idea that pardons need to

816
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Speaker 1: be taken away from the president, and that is because

817
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Speaker 1: Trump is pretty amazing in the way he has used it,

818
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Speaker 1: but that there really is no good use of a

819
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Speaker 1: president with a pardon power.

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Speaker 6: Discuss I think presidents shouldn't have the power all on

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Speaker 6: their own to do it. I think there's a roll

822
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Speaker 6: for presidents in this. The Constitution is very clear the

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Speaker 6: president has the power to issue pardons. It's one of

824
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Speaker 6: the clearest grants of power in the whole Constitution to

825
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Speaker 6: a president. It comes from King George the Third was

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Speaker 6: one of the things you got to do as a

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Speaker 6: king back in the seventeen hundreds, and that was one

828
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Speaker 6: of the things they kind of took cut and pasted

829
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Speaker 6: into the US Constitution because the didn't really know what

830
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Speaker 6: a president was going to be like, and the thing

831
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Speaker 6: they understood was a king. And it didn't really bother

832
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Speaker 6: them because George Washington was going to be the president.

833
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Speaker 6: He was ault so, you know, well respected that they

834
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Speaker 6: just didn't think it all through quite as much. And

835
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Speaker 6: it is really important that there be a place in

836
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Speaker 6: the criminal justice system for mercy, for correcting mistakes.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's an unfair system.

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Speaker 6: It's very punitive, it's racially discriminatory, all of those things

839
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Speaker 6: that we all know about. But in recent years, and

840
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Speaker 6: especially under Trump, this unlimited power to issue pardons has

841
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 6: become an engine of corruption. We see people giving big

842
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 6: campaign contributions or big cash grants or other things to

843
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Speaker 6: Trump getting pardons for family members the president of I

844
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Speaker 6: never can remember the country. I don't think it's Ecuador,

845
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Speaker 6: one of the other South American countries.

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Speaker 4: It was convicted.

847
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he just got pardoned drug trafficking.

848
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Speaker 6: Just as we were attacking Venezuela. He's pardoned. There's every

849
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Speaker 6: reason to think that these pardons are being issued in

850
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Speaker 6: a corrupt way. And it's important to note that Trump,

851
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Speaker 6: of course has taken this to an extraordinary extent.

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Speaker 4: He didn't start it.

853
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Speaker 6: Joe Biden at the end of his term pardoning his

854
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Speaker 6: son and other family members was also.

855
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Speaker 1: Problematic as blanket preemptive pardons.

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Speaker 4: And even the president I worked for, Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 6: Mark Ridge, Yeah, at the very end of his presidency

858
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Speaker 6: pardoned Mark Rich.

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Speaker 4: As they say, fugitive financier Mark Ridge. That is his

860
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Speaker 4: homeric epithet.

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Speaker 2: Who was a major Democratic donor too.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he was his wife was.

863
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Speaker 2: But his wife was.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he was on the lamb and it had never

865
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Speaker 6: pleaded guilty or anything like that.

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Speaker 4: He was just literally a fugitive.

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Speaker 6: His wife was this Clinton supporter and gave money to

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Speaker 6: the library that Clinton was getting ready to start building,

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Speaker 6: and he gave Mark Rich to pardon and it was

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Speaker 6: a huge outcry, as it should have been, and there

871
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Speaker 6: was even a criminal investigation of it. In the end,

872
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Speaker 6: Clinton was cleared because in fact, there were a number

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Speaker 6: of people in the federal government who had urged him

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Speaker 6: to do this pardon and the government of Israel had

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Speaker 6: urged him to do it because this guy had been

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Speaker 6: helpful to the peace process. I mean, there were a

877
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Speaker 6: lot of different things. There's a lot of reasons he

878
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 6: did it. It was a bad idea and showed what

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Speaker 6: could go wrong with the pardon power. And so in

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Speaker 6: all the states, governors have pardon power, but there's also

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Speaker 6: a board of Pardons or clemency that looks at the

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Speaker 6: individual cases. There should be a constitutional amendment to address this.

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Speaker 2: How do you did this stuff pass the Supreme Court?

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Speaker 6: So, I mean, some of it, if you changed the constitution,

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Speaker 6: they're supposed to follow that, although they don't always, but

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Speaker 6: you're supposed to. And some of it are things where

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Speaker 6: you can even now do things where the Supreme Court

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Speaker 6: will let you do them. So this Supreme Court, which

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Speaker 6: did Citizens United, has still allowed public financing system to

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Speaker 6: go forward because they're voluntary and they boost speech. Just

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Speaker 6: an example, they say they want disclosure of campaign money.

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Speaker 6: None of us should be under any illusions that this

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court has done everything it can to make it

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Speaker 6: easy to be a corrupt public official. They've narrowed what

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Speaker 6: corruption means, all these other things. But there have been

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Speaker 6: other times. You mentioned Watergate, you mentioned after the Civil War,

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Speaker 6: when things get really bad, people rise up, and you

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Speaker 6: had the Progressive era, which was a series of reforms

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Speaker 6: often in response to this very kind of thing. After

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Speaker 6: Watergate in the nineteen seventies, you hit the same thing.

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Speaker 6: So it's up to all of us. Do we want

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Speaker 6: to just stand there at the end of assuming there

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Speaker 6: is an end to all this, and look at the

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Speaker 6: wreckage and see this wisps of smoke rising from the.

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Speaker 4: The embers, and just say, well, there's nothing we can do.

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Speaker 6: Or do we take this chance to build something that's

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Speaker 6: a better system, that works better for people, that actually

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Speaker 6: makes government serve them. I think it's actually going to

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Speaker 6: be a major set of issues going forward. I think

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Speaker 6: it's the campaign finance issue. I spoke to Selinda Lake,

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Speaker 6: who's a major Democrat polster. She says she thinks campaign

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Speaker 6: finance reform is the key issue for the Democrats, which

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Speaker 6: is kind of an amazing thing.

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Speaker 2: That is an insane statement.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's not just dreamy eyed goo goo's like me.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a real hardball political issue too wild.

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Speaker 2: Michael, thank you. I hope you'll come back.

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Speaker 4: I would love to thank you.

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Speaker 2: No moment, Rick Wilson clue.

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Speaker 1: So it is our moment of rockery and I have

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Speaker 1: it today. It's a toy shop in Saint Paul, Minnesota

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Speaker 1: called Mischief Toy Store and they were three D printing

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Speaker 1: and giving away whistles right well, now they're being targeted

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Speaker 1: by ICE. It's a beho owns it. They say that

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Speaker 1: two ICE agents went to the store to hand deliver

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Speaker 1: an audit asking for federal employee forms, payroll records, and

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Speaker 1: names of past and present employees, just hours after the

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Speaker 1: daughter of the owner of the store spoke to ABC

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Speaker 1: News about the ongoing Trump operation and criticized DHS.

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Speaker 4: I want to know what an ICE audit is? What

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Speaker 4: is an ICE audit?

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Speaker 5: What audit power does ICE have in any universe?

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Speaker 1: They have given away thousands of three D printed whistles

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Speaker 1: since Thanksgiving and they are being targeted by ICE for

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Speaker 1: an audit. What does the Party of Small government say

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Speaker 1: about such as it.

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Speaker 5: You know, this is a fascinating example of the Party

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Speaker 5: of small government being in everybody's fucking business. In what

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Speaker 5: universe does this store printing out whistles? And by the way, folks,

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Speaker 5: if you do want to get a three D printer,

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Speaker 5: they're like less than one hundred bucks. Now you could

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Speaker 5: print the a tech death whistle, which makes these ice

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Speaker 5: whistles sound like nothing. So it is the loudest was

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Speaker 5: terrified that you've ever heard. But look, this is the

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Speaker 5: idea that they're going to use the power of the

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Speaker 5: state to shut down a private business that's exercising the

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Speaker 5: First Amendment rights of its owners. The correct answer to

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Speaker 5: these guys is go fuck yourself, get a lawyer, come

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Speaker 5: back with a real warrant. Otherwise we're calling the cops.

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Speaker 5: And they should have called the cops to have these

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Speaker 5: guys arrested for harassing them. Rick Wilson, oh I drunk,

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Speaker 5: Fast Go mischief toys.

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Speaker 2: Go mischief Toys.

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